Premier League season could be done as Mikel tests positive

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Arsenal announced that Mikel Arteta tested positive for Covid-19. In the ultimate kicker, it would appear he caught it from the top dog at Olympiacos after our exit from the Europa. What a stinger.

He’ll be fine, but this doesn’t bode well for the Premier League season. I hear there are quite a few other cases that will be announced in due course. The league will certainly be suspended, but it could go further, there is a belief in the game this could be it for the season.

I don’t even want to joke about the ramifications, though it is tempting.

Seems like most of the advice from around the world is that social distancing is the best way to slow the spread of the virus (and washing your hands, you animals). That advice doesn’t leave much room for interpretation, a gathering of hundreds of thousands of fans at sporting events would be the worst thing for it at the minute.

March Madness has been cancelled, along with the opening race of F1, the NBA, La Liga, Serie A, SXSW and a whole bunch of other social gatherings. The Premier League will have to follow suit and it’s hard to argue against it.

I thought this thread summed up the risk nicely– and why the ‘but I won’t die’ argument is very shitty.

It’s a shitter for the fans, but not as terrible as the thought of infecting your grandma because you grabbed beers with an infected pal at a local before the game. I don’t think anyone wants to be responsible for hospitals adopting wartime decision-making models for older people, no football game is that important.

Just a short post today, I don’t have much to add to this conversation, I’ll leave that for the experts.

All I will say is stay safe, wash your fucking hands, and get that invincible DVD in the player… it’s going to be a long couple of months.

Good luck to all backroom people at Arsenal that have been sharing his chapstick. Get well soon, Mikel!

See the rest of you in the comments x

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  1. Tony

    Moray & ES
    Sadly I fear you are both right with the points you’ve collective raised.

    Nothing left to do but ride out the Civid-19 storm and hope our families and friends come through it all unscathed and show compassion to those who die or lose loved ones and friends.

    Unfortunately Arsenal need income to improve its squad and that is not going to be forth coming for the foreseeable future. The positive for us is we don’t need income to continue to be solvent unlike lesser clubs who will need to go further into debt to survive the lack of income.

  2. Moray

    If we have some funds behind us and can weather the loss of revenue from matchday, club shop, possibly some marketing arrangements, and investments then I do think there will be bargains to be had in the summer or whenever transfers can again take place.

    There are some tough decisions to make. For example, Do we ask players to take a financial hit over the next few weeks, with reduced wages, do we part refund season tickets ? Toughest of all though is with the FA. If they decide to draw a hard line and a club like Arsenal (which was on a run) misses out on European competition next year and the millions that come with it and which will be priceless during recovery…there will be lawsuits.

  3. Moray

    Juventus are going to have to find money from somewhere. Even a week without matchday revenue and they’re probably already in the shit.

  4. Moray

    http://dailycannon.com/2020/03/2-ways-arsenal-can-get-cl-football-if-season-is-cancelled/

    This is interesting. Exploring some options which might result in Arsenal playing in the Champions League next year. There is decision that will please everyone of course. The worst for us would be just taking current results and moving season end forward.

    I suspect there might be a customised European competition next year, perhaps a knockout, to enable more clubs to enter.

    Anyway let’s see. Long way to go yet.

  5. Gentlebris

    I gave it up yesterday when Pedro started deleting my comments. I even pleaded with him not to but he deleted even my plea. I can understand. But I just feel if he would delete the ‘God exists’ comments, he should also have deleted the ‘God does not exist’ mockeries, so as to be a fair moderator.

    Well……. Tony, you sound so much like a sad man. The points you raised against Christianity were so weak that I could take them apart in one minute, but I felt I was done yesterday. I was giving all those messages to someone who was reading without commenting. He has been blessed, that’s all that matters to me.

    CC,
    Thanks for your responses.
    Good morning.

  6. Sid

    No sports everyone is indoors quarantined badoink doink will increase,

    On another note, when it comes to distracting and dumbing down the masses organized sports is more to blame than religion.
    Organized sports is almost on the same level as drugs. How ironic

    Im tellung you this for free!

  7. Emiratesstroller

    Tony/Moray

    I get back to what I posted today.

    It may be a blessing that we do not qualify for Europe next season as was the
    case with Leicester this season.

    This will allow the club to reduce their squad to a manageable size and offload
    a lot of dross. Realistically do we need 8 centre backs on our books.

    Leicester are basically managing with 12 regular players plus another 6
    squad players who come off the bench. They have few injuries and a team which is properly rested.

    In the present climate that could well be the best option for club in next twelve
    months.

  8. Dissenter

    Gentlebris
    Pedro was saving you from yourself.
    If you knocked on my to do what you did yesterday, I’ll tell you to get the hell out. If you stayed and insisted on proselytizing then we would have a problem.
    It was obvious no one was receptive to whatever you were trying to say yet you persisted.
    Why is that?

  9. Daniel Altos

    Senegal is doing good work in regards to the Corona virus testing kits,even helping The Uk out…but because it isn’t bad news from Africa,you won’t hear any of that making the headlines

  10. andy1886

    Lots of parallels between football and religion obviously, faith, sometimes in a single individual (you know the one) often in defiance of any logic. That’s why agnosticism is great, you neither believe or deny without the evidence to back either choice, it’s the ultimate “f*cked if I know” answer.

  11. China1

    Boris twisting in circles and constantly changing the government stance on issues tells you everything you need to know

    One minute sports events have no scientific basis to cancel. A few days later mass gatherings need to be cancelled because of likelihood of spread

    What I hope people wake up to is that the governments response has never been scientific or public health oriented at all. It has been consistently political decision making with ‘backed by science’ as an empty tag line chucked on the end of every wreckless decision/lack of decision

    Chief science advisor said if we can get 60% of the population infected we can have herd immunity as if it’s a target. Yeah except

    1) there should be herd immunity achieved anyway by the arrival of a vaccine in early next year that doesn’t require hundreds of thousands of brits to die and millions to suffer

    2) the more people who get the virus, the higher the likelihood of it mutating into something new. This will both undermine the effectiveness of any new vaccine as well as potentially mean people still won’t have immunity to the new one regardless of if they caught the current corona virus already

    3) there are already quite a lot of cases where someone who had the virus and was deemed fully recovered came down with it again – whilst it’s not known if it was a second infection or the first one never truly recovered. If it is the former then there may be no herd immunity if 60% of brits got it and we’ll just be getting it again and again with so many people infected spreading it because to those who already recovered weeks ago

    Boris, his chief science advisor and whoever is working to make these awful decisions will one day be hauled before a judge to explain how such patently wreckless decisions were taken in the face of such blatant scientific and public health issues

    Lastly I’m glad that mass gatherings will be banned but great to see the genius at work who decided that 500 people at a gathering is a public health risk but 499 people gathered is safe. Heads will roll in time for this kind of bs and I await that day with great excitement

  12. andy1886

    Amen to all that China1, anyone who thinks that their government has their best interests at heart needs their head tested.

  13. China1

    Andy I’m no mathematician but if our chief science advisor and Boris get their way and 60% get infected in a badly informed attempt at herd immunity each family in the UK would have an extremely high chance of losing at least one member of their extended family. Sounds like a plan to buy in for!

    But at least we still got to go to that 499 person gathering eh , so all is well!!

  14. Nelson

    What I understand is that sport events will have a gathering of more than 500 people. But a private party such as marriage, birthday,etc can be held with less than 500 guests.

  15. Guns of Brixton

    Senegal is doing good work in regards to the Corona virus testing kits,even helping The Uk out…but because it isn’t bad news from Africa,you won’t hear any of that making the headlines

    This

  16. China1

    Yeah Nelson but unfortunately the virus isn’t courteous enough to make a distinction

    If you have it at a 60,000 seater football stadium or you have it at a 100 person wedding you’re probably going to give it to a handful of other people regardless

    500 is 0.2% higher than 499. How can 500 be so risky that it needs banning but 499 require no precautions whatsoever?

  17. Emiratesstroller

    China 1

    The UK is a democracy unlike China.

    The reality is that there is currently no known antidote to this Virus and the
    Government knows that it is highly contagious and also can be terminal for
    certain classes of the population.

    No Government or Health Service including the NHS can cope with pandemic
    and the best solution is for Government to keep population calm and minimise the risk.

    For all your commentary and for that matter others who are posting on here you don’t have a solution and rather like opposition politicians and some of the media are very good at criticism and negatives.

    Until yesterday Britain’s situation was far better than most of the other countries in Europe. What the Government is attempting to do is keep the
    population calm and to advise them to do in the event of a mild attack of the
    virus. the population is being asked to contact NHS only in the case of an
    emergency, which may be slightly more manageable.

    It is not a solution, but it is likely to save more lives than creating an uncontrolled panic.

    The government is taking advice on this matter from the scientists and medical specialists and not on the hoof as you and others seem to think.

    For the record I think that this country has a far better record in dealing with
    such diseases than most other countries. We have some of the best research
    in the world as well as a linked up health service, which employs 1.6 million
    people. It is for the record the third largest public employer in world only behind the Chinese and US armed services.

  18. China1

    ET, the UK being a democracy has no bearing on the points we’re discussing

    I criticize the measures the UK has been taking because their advice regularly contradicts not only science and logic but also it’s own advice is often self contradictory

    How is there no solution? China had the outbreak first and solved it not by luck and prayers but by implementing practical solutions – most of which can be implemented in a democracy.

    In a couple of months Tianjin went from 136 cases to zero. We are now opening the city back up with shopping malls, restaurants and offices all gradually moving back to normality but with solid checking and reporting measures to help identify and smother any future outbreaks before they cause much disruption

    Meanwhile the UK gov is targeting herd immunity with a 60% infections rate. If you can’t see the difference here as a senior citizen who could have an up to 10% chance of death if you end up as one of the unlucky 60% then I don’t know what to say

  19. CG

    A simple, safe and expedient solution to finish this season in one day.

    One player and one goalkeeper from each club is selected.
    (They can wear surgical masks too if they worried about Corona.)

    No mangers needed.
    Every game outstanding is completed by penalty kicks:

    Maximum of 3 kicks each.
    (If its a 3- 3 penalty kick draw. A point to each side.)
    And off course 3 points goes to the winner of the penalty kicks team.

    Should not take too long and will off course could be played behind closed doors at Wembley and shown live on TV.

    Eg. We would select PEA and Leno
    Liverpool would choose Milner and Allison
    Spurs would choose Kane and Lorris.

  20. China1

    ET we don’t have an uncontrolled panic in China. We have a well designed set of precautions and protocols that have kept the population at large calm and supportive whilst also suppressing the outbreak.

    The only reason strong measures need to lead to mass panic and riots in the streets is if they are poorly planned and implemented. Which they probably will be

  21. Thank you and goodnight.

    @CG

    GentlebrisYou’re free to think as you wish based on your experiences, but anecdotal evidence is purely that and there’s a level of caution that needs advising when you have people with views that any belief in a deity supersedes medicine and science.I wish you absolutely no ills, but if someone is sick or badly injured I suggest they seek care from medical professionals and not grasp a book and ancient scripture.Also, you don’t get to pick and choose what you attribute to your god. If you want science and the like to be of his doing, then you take the rest too and that’s when he starts to smell a lot less flowery.Religion as a means of faith is a brilliant invention though, cannot knock the strength and calm it offers millions in harsh times. So I fully endorse your faith in a god during times like these, I simply put my faith in man and science to provide the relief we crave.

    Brilliantly put. Thank you. Religion my arse

  22. Marc

    China

    Whilst I appreciate you have first hand experience of Corona your criticism of the governments response and claims about how “easy” it is to reduce the number of cases is highly flawed and shows a lack of understanding of what the UK’s governments plan is.

    This virus is not like Ebola (as an example) where transmission between people is quite difficult therefore once you can control the spread the outbreak subsides and disappears back into it’s natural habitat.

    Corona virus is like the common cold or influenza in it’s now here to stay – the fear is a 2nd mass outbreak around next winter which would be far more devastating and dangerous.

    By achieving “herd immunity” you reduce the likelihood or severity if there is a 2nd outbreak – the governments plan also buys time for the development of a vaccine. The combination of the two is the best chance we have of minimising the overall impact of this.

    Of course the problem that is not known and cannot be predicted is if the current COVID 19 mutates into something with similar infection rates we start the whole process all over again.

  23. Marc

    I should add that recent history would tell you that if the virus was to mutate into something equally or more dangerous then there’s a very high chance this would happen in China!

  24. Nelson

    China1
    The Government has to set a rule. China locked down many cities. The situation in UK is not as serious. The government allows private parties. The responsibility is passed onto the host who should know all his guests and make sure all precautions has been taken. The government has to find ways to minimize the disruption this virus can cause to the economy and the citizen’s daily life.

  25. Marc

    Nelson

    You also have to look at the difference in how densely populated cities are between the UK and China.

    London (UK’s most populous city) 9.75 million
    Birmingham (UK’s 2nd most populous city) just under 2.5 million

    Wuhan – 8 million but there are 9 cities with higher populations getting up to over 20 million people.

  26. China1

    Marc I didn’t say it’s easy, I said putting it under control has already been demonstrated on a massive scale

    1/4 people on the planet live in the same country where the virus first erupted. Now all of China has less cases than Italy.

    Comparisons to Ebola don’t matter because covid19 has already been demonstrated as beatable with strong measures. It’s not pie in the sky theorizing, it is already happening in the only countries that have demonstrated a serious willingness to hit it hard

    One of the reasons it’s here to stay is because countries will not get it under control and wipe it out or reduce it to manageable numbers before a vaccine has been made

    Marc why did China not need to let 60% of the population catch it? Why are we confident of getting herd immunity through vaccines next year instead of needing to expose the entire population to it this year?

    These are the questions you should be asking. Every single point I criticize the government for I break down based on a combination of widely known science/statistics/common sense logic. I’m not interested in idealistic dreams or wishing problems away or just having faith in the UK gov to protect my family whilst simultaneously rapidly losing control of the outbreak

    I won’t criticize the government for being imperfect, I criticize the government for blatantly ignoring now well reported science, statistics and common sense just because they want to present a falsely calm image to the public. If any of my 5 elderly relatives die because of the passive government approach it will have been for what? None of my Chinese family needed to be at high risk? Why must my British family be at risk?

  27. Emiratesstroller

    China 1

    First of all China has over 86,000 tested cases of the Virus and I suspect that
    is probably only a fraction of the real number of cases.

    Second whilst it is true that most are in a single province I am willing to bet that there are more cases in other provinces than we have currently in UK.

    Third I don’t trust any Communist State to tell the truth.

    I think that everyone knows by now that the virus is out of control in Europe.
    Britain has fared better than most other countries, but it is clear that what
    they are attempting to do is postpone the peak until May or later.

    If there is any criticism of the UK Government it is that perhaps “public events” such as football and rugby matches should have been cancelled two
    weeks ago.

    The reality is that no government has got a solution to the problem. If you take
    a look at Europe as a whole most countries have a significantly worse record
    than us despite taking much more dramatic action.

    Let’s be frank the Government,scientists and medical experts have made it
    crystal clear over last two weeks that there is very little that they can do apart
    from manage the situation as best they can.

    China may have some short term remission, but it does not mean that it will
    not return.

    Let’s be clear China has a lot to answer for this virus so suggesting what a great
    job they have or are doing is ridiculous.

    China and India have a lot to answer for also for the major environmental issues as well.

  28. Marc

    China

    You’re taking a view from a personal position of being worried about relatives. The government cannot do this.

    Why would the UK government ignore the science? There’s no reason to do it other than it might do more harm than good.

    Your claims about how effective China’s response has been – let’s see because I’ll bet you a cold beer on a sunny day they have another flair up.

    “Comparisons to Ebola don’t matter because covid19 has already been demonstrated as beatable with strong measures”

    That’s just a stupid comment because Ebola has already been demonstrated as beatable with strong measures as well. Difference is Ebola outbreaks once contained fade away until there’s a new exposure. Corona is going to be a permanent fixture for many years to come.

  29. Marc

    “Marc why did China not need to let 60% of the population catch it? ”

    Really – do I even need to answer that? You live in the fucking place you should be telling me the answer.

    I know that it is the question is do you?

  30. Bojangles

    Marc, everyone is viewing this virus in their own way. They all have valid viewpoints. You however seem to be trying to browbeat everyone into accepting your point of view as being the only acceptable one. You think bj is handling the situation correctly obviously others don’t. Just accept that.

  31. Un na naai

    Yeah I’m with China
    Far far too lax in their approach to this. They are risking lives.

    But I agree with Marc and Stroller that China should have done what they are doing now back at the start of jan. Too little too late and now the world is suffering due to them. Again.

  32. Gonsterous

    So if the PL is cancelled, we may take last season’s standing as to who gets the CL spots.

    And if city’s ban stands, we will be playing CL footie next season.

    So that’s the positivity to hold on to. Though, Leicester city may not be happy with that 😅😅

  33. China1

    Marc the repercussions depend on where you are because there is Hubei (stronger lockdown) and the rest of the country (milder lockdown)

    Outside of hubei we can go out any time we want. But 95% of places have been shut, so apart from going for a walk, or going to the supermarket there’s nothing much to do.

    In hubei you would be asked to show your permit for going out. If you don’t have one and don’t have a special reason for being out, you are told to immediately return home. If you refuse you would be arrested.

    I know the answer to the question of why 60% of China doesn’t need to catch the virus, it’s because we have options to bring it down to entirely manageable levels in just a couple of months, so why would we happily let the bodies pile up? It’s not inevitable or necessary, it’s a choice which every country needs to make.

    The WHO has widely credited china’s handling of the outbreak, and said most countries are alarming far behind China in terms of their planning and response. It’s not exactly just local propaganda.

    As for it glaring up again, it will because of foreigners bringing it back in. I’ve already discussed this yesterday – because it’s already happened. More than 20 people outside China came in whilst infected in the last week. It’s already a thing.

    The difference is they land at the airport and have their temperature checked. If they have symptoms the government is already on their case to isolate/provide treatment. Even if they don’t have symptoms they are required to spend 14 days (not only 7 like in the UK) self isolating before they do anything. If they came for business, they will be required to submit an online form via social media saying if they have symptoms every day. If they break their quarantine and the authorities deem it intentional, they will be arrested. When they are able to go out, their temperature will be checked in every remaining open place and when they return back and if you notice anyone around you demonstrating symptoms you have to report it legally.

    So yes there will be flare ups but all the eyes and ears of the state are on preventing it from being easily transmissible, noticing if anyone does have symptoms, testing if they do and keeping them isolated/treated if they do.

    It’s not easy but it’s also not rocket science. As well from the experience gained in controlling the outbreak, the government has learned a valuable lesson so if a major outbreak suddenly happens in my city, they will just isolate my city and have less restrictions elsewhere. So any outbreak will be dealt with quickly and efficiently.

    The UK government doesn’t even have any idea how many are infected. Don’t take my word for it – the chief science advisor said there could already be 5000-10000 cases in the UK despite official numbers only being 800 – and this was a day or two ago so will be much higher by now. Also notice only 19 people are listed as having recovered in the UK because there isn’t much tracking going on.

    I repeat – there is nothing inevitable about this. It is a choice the British government has taken at the potential expense of hundreds of thousands of lives. My elderly relatives lives are not expendable just because the government doesn’t bother to properly track, monitor or advise *genuine* caution.

    The thing that gives me hope is more and more brits are starting to wake up to how lax this is. Petitions for the government to close schools, some universities wanting to close before gov orders to do so. People not going clubbing etc.

    All this talk of ‘what if this or that person gets tired of self isolating and wants to go out etc’ or ‘brits are well traveled and won’t like to be in lockdown’ – yeah then those people should not complain if they or a family member or friend is infected and dies. They knew the dangers.

  34. Marc

    China

    “I know the answer to the question of why 60% of China doesn’t need to catch the virus, it’s because we have options to bring it down to entirely manageable levels in just a couple of months”

    See I differ on that one – the Chinese governments overriding priority is to keep power and control of the population – if the population rises up in panic they are for the chop.

    We’ll see how well the Chinese response is working come Christmas.

  35. Marc

    Gonsterous

    Apparently there’s a meeting of the PL on Thursday to discuss what they’re going to do. The vibe seems to be they realise that this season is done and next season might not be able to kick off on schedule as it is.

    Fuck knows how they sort this with out some club kicking off.

  36. Moray

    I just discovered from my sister that her kids’ school (in the Uk) doesn’t even conduct temperature checks in the morning.

    If the basic precautions are not in place, then it leads me to believe they really are trying to sweat this through the population. What happens when the NHS gets overloaded and has to triage like Italy?

    Really scary stuff.

    I seriously doubt the recent figures coming out of China for obvious reasons, but if the downwards trajectory on community spread virus levels is true then that’s an excellent sign of how quickly things can be turned around.

  37. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    If the league is cancelled man that will fuck up everything …
    People who leased there season ticket out to a third party will have to pay back monies, clubs will have to pay back to season ticket holder.

    What will sky and Bt do?

    Will they offer money back.

    The ramifications are massive.
    The prem would be tarnished

    Pool will be given the title … but will be ridiculed as not officially winning it.

    Fun times ahead.

  38. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Stroller

    The Chinese have indeed a lot to answer for for this virus.

    They started with the intention of bringing down the population..

    Horrible disgusting fuckers.

  39. Emiratesstroller

    China 1

    Britain is rated one of the major research countries when dealing with infectious diseases so I find your opinions on this subject ridiculous UNLESS of course the virus has existed in China far longer than has been admitted.

    The point made by Boris and the Scientists earlier this week is that it is no longer possible to source the virus, because transmission is occurring within
    the domestic population and not just from sources in China, Italy and Iran
    as was the case with most of the original cases.

    The point is that once the virus is embedded in the population it is very difficult to eradicate unless you find an antidote.

    For the record Britain has had a far better record of testing potential cases than countries like USA and France until now.

    As I have already indicated the problem has now past containment and one
    suspects the priority is now to deal with the one or two per cent of serious
    cases which are life or death situations.That is probably the situation in most
    other Western Countries.

  40. Marc

    RSPC

    Your comment on the effect on football finances is an interesting one. As it stands I’ll be due a credit for the 4 home PL matches we have remaining plus the 2 cup credits we haven’t used anyway. That’s a quarter give or take of the value of my ST without going into what happens with next season.

    I’m not sure the rep of the PL will be tarnished but some clubs could feel some serious financial pain.
    Club’s are still going to have to pay out large salaries, the question about Sky and BT goes both ways – will I get a discount because they’re not showing what I pay to watch and will they want to withhold payments to clubs?

  41. Marc

    Emirates

    I really think having a measured balanced intelligent view of this is unacceptable.

    Please go and buy 2,400 loo rolls, enough tinned and dried food to feed 35 people for 18 months and then set your head on fire.

    That’s definitely the way forward.

  42. Marc

    “The point is that once the virus is embedded in the population it is very difficult to eradicate unless you find an antidote.”

    Or the population at large achieves immunity to the virus.

  43. China1

    And yes China was absolutely wrong in their handing at the end of December and start of January – that much is clear.

    But the approach changed 1000% from the middle on Jan onwards when management was transferred from the local level to the national level. That was 2 months ago.

    As for not trusting the communist government ET, feel free not to. But it’s not easy to keep spreading a virus outside your family when you are home 99% of the time and the neighbors in your building are legally obliged to report you as a suspected case if you are demonstrating obvious symptoms etc.

    If I had it and didn’t want to report it, I would be reported by the security guard of my apartment complex on the first day I got a fever as he has to check my temperature every time I’m back. Which is up to 4 times a day assuming I walk the dog twice, go to the supermarket and go to my in laws place.

    There’s nowhere to hide…

  44. Moray

    @stroller. As I mentioned to you the other day. With a virus like this you win or lose in the early stages.

    “it is no longer possible to source the virus, because transmission is occurring within“

    In Singapore the government broke the tracing into clusters and then actioned proper quarantine measures to stop and contain further spread. This is why we have had very little community spread and why largely the situation here is under control, at least for now. And no deaths so far despite being #2 for cases for a couple of weeks.

    If community spreading is out of control in the uk then it highlights the inaction of the government when faced with the problem. Events, flights to infected countries…all should have been managed much much earlier. As Boris said, the virus is well established in the Uk now and thanks to a lack of testing and validation is probably everywhere.

    I think they’ve let it go on purpose in order to rinse it through the population. It’s nuts. There seems to be some national arrogance around this issue as though brazening things out will work as it did for getting Brexit passed.

  45. Moray

    There is no scientific proof that contracting COVID-19 gives you immunity.

    In fact, there are several cases of people having recurrence.

    This idea of herd immunity is beyond stupid. It’s like something Trump would come up with (before flip flopping a week later)

  46. China1

    ET you aren’t reading the words lol

    The virus is fully embedded within the chinese domestic population and got brought under control. This already happened. You are pretending this didn’t happen when it already did. 100 odd thousand cases in China in total and brought under control so now most provinces are at or nearing zero outside Hubei, which has also drastically dropped in numbers. It is tracked here properly so it’s not that difficult to keep tabs on the spread and manage it.

    I don’t know what else to say guys. I’m not telling you to panic, I’m telling to not take the lives of the British elderly as expendable for a cause that other countries have already demonstrated is not necessary.

    The irony of this all is that here I am arguing that I want the government on the other side of the world to protect the people in Britain – you guys. I would much rather come on here in 3 weeks and see you guys complaining that it sucks working from home or that you can’t wait for all this to be over as money is tight than come on here and see you saying your relative just died. I want you guys to be safe like I am. That is all.

    And there’s no need for a straw man argument about my wanting you guys to panic. Panicking is both pointless and dangerous. I want you to be *properly cautious* like we are out here is all. No amount of the government telling you we’re going to have herd immunity in 7 months will make you feel better if you lose your dad, or your wife or whatever.

    I argue with you from a point of love and genuine concern like an old dad telling his son who is about to go out clubbing to use a condom because STIs are real lol. Ignore me all you like, disagree with me all you like. I wish you and your families good health and nothing else

  47. China1

    And yeah there have been many cases of people appearing to catch corona virus a second time after already having recovered

    It’s not clear if they had never truly recovered in the first place and the symptoms had just cleared up or if they actually caught is a second time

    If the latter is true herd immunity won’t even be a thing until the vaccine comes along which is expected early next year anyway

  48. China1

    Marc if the Chinese gov care about this primarily to maintain power then even if the intensions were dubious, I’d still have 100% supported the actions on this issue

    Another question to consider is this, if China continues to keep a lid on this (there will be minor flare ups but I predict nothing on any massive scale like before) and if a solid vaccine is available early next year, will you still think the UK’s approach and the potential deaths of hundreds of thousands will have been worth it?

  49. Paulinho

    If all that is true- no protection after exposure – it makes a vaccine rather pointless considering natural exposure to viruses is far more effective than vaccines at giving immunity.

  50. jwl

    China1 – you are not considering different cultures/attitudes when you write that Britain should just do what China did. There would have to be a plague like black death that was killing 40% of population before brits accept anything like what the communist did in China.

    Right now the coronavirus has killed significantly fewer people than annual influenza that thousands of people die from, people are not going to accept measures where no one is allowed out of their flat other than one designated person who is permitted to shop every couple of days while checking in with government multiple times to let them know exactly where they are on walk to/from store.

  51. Un na naai

    Jwl

    Yes but at a higher percentage
    If as many people get corona as those who get the flu the death toll will be significantly higher.

    Jesus lots of overnight virologists in the U.K. though

  52. Emiratesstroller

    Tony

    What exactly have I said regarding Saracens was wrong? You make a statement without quantifying it?

    Regarding health service the NHS is a UNIVERSAL service which is free to everyone rich and poor. There are not many other countries which offer that service including Thailand.

    Tony please stop being so ridiculous. There is currently no solution anywhere
    in the world to the current situation and everyone needs to apply personal common sense in current situation.

    Coronavirus was diagnosed in UK before it was identified anywhere else in
    Europe and yet until now there are fewer cases and more particularly deaths
    per head of population than most of the major countries.

    I suggest you take a look at Switzerland one of the wealthiest countries on the
    planet and one which has closed down its borders and make a comparison there.

    When I read the nonsense written on Le Grove about Singapore I know just
    how ridiculous the comments are in trying to make a comparison with UK.

    I travelled regularly to Singapore on business at least 4 times a year for ten years. It is a small city state of 5 million people with a small border with Malaysia. So of course it is fairly easy to impose regulations.For the record
    it had more diagnosed cases of the virus than Britain until yesterday.

    Similarly it is absurd to make comparison with what is going on in Asia with
    Europe. The population is much younger pro rata than in Europe.

    If we are going to make comparisons between UK do so with Western Countries.Until yesterday Britain had made three times more diagnostics
    than the United States which is more than five times the size and significantly
    more than France and Germany.

    Frankly I am sick and tired of being told by you and others how great everything is elsewhere and how lousy it is in Britain. A lot is imperfect here
    but surprise surprise there are massive numbers of people who would love to
    live here.