Dismal Arsenal drop out of Europa

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The less we say about that game the better. Arsenal put on their worst performance under Arteta. The team was fatigued, the energy was pedestrian, and we were god awful in the final third.

To make matters worse, we conceded a goal early in the second half from a set-piece. Just standard Arsenal, a total mess.

We absolutely controlled possession, but somehow, Olympiacos still looked like they were dictating the terms of the game. In the final third, we were a real mess. Bad decisions, heavy touches, and a real lack of a final ball. I didn’t ever feel like we knew how to win that game.

When the game rolled into extra time, you started to fear the deep block was going to win out. However, Arteta had a trump card, and it was Gabriel for the second 15 of extra time. He made the difference immediately. Olympiacos struggled with fitness and the live wire Brazilian made it difficult with his drive and energy.

The sub paid off. Mesut Ozil found Gabriel with a good cross from the right, his flicked header in the box sat up for Auba who scissor-kicked home. What an outrageous goal. We thought we had a winner.

We did not.

Leno gave away a stupid corner. We cleared at the front post, they picked up the ball, slipped a teasing high ball into the box, Luiz let it go to the back post, Sokratis was beaten to the ball and Leno was late off his line. They equalized.

It wasn’t over for chances though, 2 minutes into the added-on time and Auba was found in the box from 6 yards and somehow he fired wide. Absolutely horrendous.

Arsenal drop from the Europa League. Embarrassing, upsetting, but absolutely deserved. We didn’t show up, we lacked quality in all areas of the pitch, and we didn’t know how to make possession count. These days are hard to stomach, but they were always going to happen as we build to a brighter future. The key thing is that we learn from our mistakes.

Now it’s all about the league. Let’s hope the team has it in them to brush this off and pursue the Champions League the proper way, but winning the 5th place trophy.

I recorded a bonus podcast with Matt last night, we don’t talk about Europa and we do a nice section on Ian Wright.

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raptora

Paulinho: “As I said before, Arteta will find himself in the exact same quandary as Emery with this squad. He will end up chopping and changing every week, and could well find himself in a similar graveyard spiral.” Except he’s been playing the exact same players for 4 games or more now. His master plan was to form a core of Mustafi, Xhaka, Ozil and Lacazette, play Auba out wide and bench Martinelli. He did the exact opposite of what you said. He picked his favorites after the Dubai trip and stuck with them. They, of course as I said… Read more »

Thomas

Lol Pierre “off day”. Hilarious.

Dolomite

RockyRoe Fair enough , I did think Martinelli would do far more than Lacazette but seeing it from the managers view point I guess he placed too much faith in him to affect the game by either scoring or setting up a chance seeing Lacazette had only recently ended a goal drought The Torreira sub was to dominate the midfield and have more cover down the right and middle as Bellerin was getting roasted by their left back which I could see Ceballos didn’t have the legs for as the game went on. Again misplaced faith in the abilities of… Read more »

raptora

Some folks are really understandable of tonight’s loss. Can’t say I’m shocked. Free pass for some, and no free pass for others.

Thomas

Imagine paying £72m for a player who can’t even use one of his legs.

Redtruth

The board need sacking and anyone who has come into contact with Wenger need sacking too…

PieAFC

I don’t see why pepe isnt shunted on the left. Doesn’t have to cut back. Can whip a cross in. No more onto his weaker foot.

Can’t hack it there. Drop him.

Paulinho

Raptora – He started off playing Torreira – Xhaka, didn’t like the lack of creativity, so has gone with Ceballos. Same with Martinelli, who he has now put in cold storage. So how is that the exact same players?

You accept the accusation that Emery chopped and changed, yet I seem to remember him playing Xhaka every week so I don’t really see a big difference.

Gonsterous

Jesus, what a piss poor result to wake up to.
Was starting to like the twat but as many posters pointed out, stick with ozil, xhaka and co. And you will start getting inconsistent performances.

I bet arteta went home and slightly regretted running his mouth about how he could fix these load of shites.

Redtruth

My sentiment too, it’s frustrating watching Pepe out on the right and then see him cut back inside onto his left….

salparadisenyc

Some of you far more interested in narrative than club doing well, fucking dire.

The initial signals from Arteta’s management are strong imo, i’m excited about what he can do after a transfer window’s work if decent budget is cobbled and Rual doesn’t get in way. But as stated above everyone can have on off game, tonight was his. I slated Emery for playing both Laca with Auba out wide and will do same to big Mik, lacks balance for me. Had we started with Martinelli on the left, Laca on bench think were looking at next round.

Redtruth

Paulinho

Too much player power at Arsenal.
Emery made a big mistake and should of drained the swamp…

PieAFC

100% sal

Alot of people have been saying that tonight though.

Arteta and Round will learn from this.

Slowly certain players are being taken off or brought on earlier.

Bellerin to me looks like he could be the one dropped moving forward .

Redtruth

The AKB’s are out in force making lame excuses for an inept performance.

Ngambo

Can someone ask Arteta to tell his assistant coach to dress for the occasion.

He looks like he’s off to a Sunday pub match.

Lowers the tone of everything.

Redtruth

Guardiola must be laughing weakening an opponent by giving up Arteta…

salparadisenyc

PIE AFC

Not been able to be here as much recently, life can get in the way of Groving.
Which is also dire.

reality check

It was the round of 32. So let me get this straight. Europa League final vs. Round of 32. Hmmm. I know one is better than the other but I. Just. Don’t. Know. Which. One.

Ernest Reed

Don’t you ever tire of being annoying, Red? Head back into your dark closet and pound your pud for the rest of the night, might take the edge off. Geez already.

Marko

Except he’s been playing the exact same players for 4 games or more now.
His master plan was to form a core of Mustafi, Xhaka, Ozil and Lacazette, play Auba out wide and bench Martinelli.

Pretty stupid am I right. Two week break and then proceeds to do fuck all rotation despite 4 games in 11 days. I suppose rotation is something a manager learns with experience I guess

CazOnARola

Leno is definitely playing like he has PTSD after the Chelsea goal.

Arteta mentioned Leno after the last game about the exact same issue of him not coming for some of the balls. These days he isn’t even coming to the goal kick line and starting deeper and deeper on set plays.

Having said that, we need to fix other things first before we worry about Leno.

China1

Arteta is a very good coach off the field but during a match he has a very long way to go I’m not sure if it’s fear of making a change in case it doesn’t work out or if he just copies wenger style of not paying attention to what’s in front of him and making pre determined subs late on regardless of if they’re suitable ‘having faith in the setup you went with’ etc. but it’s cost us this and other games this season I can live with crap results here and there. It’s par the course in football,… Read more »

Dissenter

‘ Except he’s been playing the exact same players for 4 games or more now.
His master plan was to form a core of Mustafi, Xhaka, Ozil and Lacazette, play Auba out wide and bench Martinelli.’

A certain major general is disputing that Arteta has favorites, about a dozen games in and he still can’t spot a pattern.
Talk about a recruit on day one of boot camp masquerading as a commissioned officer.

Gonsterous

Piefc

Exactly the reason why I didn’t want arsenal going for a rookie manager.
Our club is not at a place, where we can afford to make a lot of mistakes. We are out of the CL, and not looking like getting back in anytime soon.
We needed an experienced head but instead, we get KO’d out of the EL which many find to be full of average teams, instead of reaching the back end of the competition.

Sadly there isn’t much global support from the new generation for arsenal.

Wasi

One loss and Pro-Emery or Anti- Arteta guys already out in full swing.

Absolutely Horrendous result. Cant say we didn’t have the chances to win the game tho.
Martinelli SHOULD have been bought on sooner and ARTETA definitely needs to improve in his in-game management.

Gonsterous

I support arteta and wish him well, but this notion that he will learn on the job is quite bizarre given we are in a horrible state as a club and need to be cutting out mistakes instead of inviting them.

Dissenter

Arteta just surrounded himself with the people available mid season.
WTF is Round, what’s his pedigree?
Let’s see how brutal Arteta is on himself and his staff before we even consider his decision making about the squad.

Wasi

Sadly there isn’t much global support from the new generation for arsenal.

There wont be. For the now 12-16 yrs old Arsenal has become a joke club. And our supporters count will stay the same or even gradually decrease before we get back to winning big trophies again.

UTarse

Honestly can’t fathom all the Leno hate when the likes of xhaka and ozil were utterly piss poor. Not too pissed off to be out considering how poor we were, we really need to stop trying to polish the turd. I will hazard a guess that arteta is more pissed off than any fan, he won’t take this well and hopefully will come to his senses and fucks off ozil and xhaka and leaves bellerin and laca on the bench till the end of the season. He should however take the criticism on his in game management, it was very… Read more »

azed

Ernest Reed

Red is in a world of his own. Best ignore him if he bores/annoys you.

Dissenter

Wasi It was a bad result that negates a lot of progress that the team showed. People are right to clique the result. At the end of the day, managers are judge on results and today was a bad day for Arteta. You trying to gloss over an abject failure is more laughable that the so-called Pro-Emery crowd you are calling out. Any manager ought to get stick for what happened today, why should Arteta be immune from criticism? You don’t need a preseason or better players to get through this Olympiacos team with a one goal advantage. This is… Read more »

Redtruth

One loss like that could cost a manager his job, but not at Arsenal, he?ll probably be given a lifetime achievement award for getting us into the last 32…

Wasi

Dissenter

We had enough chances to win the game. Its a Fact not a gloss.

Noone should be immune to criticism and I have criticized Arteta before for poor in game management and I criticised him again for the same thing here.

So dont know where you’re coming from?
In all honesty, who do you think was responsible for the loss? The Manager or the Players.

Nearly everyone of them dropped a stinker bar maybe Mustafi .

Marko

Shocking performance and an awful result but some are only interested in defending the manager. Place is becoming more and more like Untold. Ah well it’s only slight criticism directed at the manager no need to be so militant about the whole thing.

Wasi

Honestly tho, after being in the game for more than 12 years ,how does Luiz have no awareness whatsoever and just let the ball fly past him into his own box.

Wasi

Marko

Yes, A manager who has only had 12 games and 2 months with the team. Has turned Despair into Hope. A manager who is making dead wood look quality and has brought a sense of accountability back into the players ( If they even had it in the first place).
Plus a LOT more things. Just dont feel like arguing pointlessly now.
The game is Done.
Unfortunately all the players had to put in their Ugly performance in the same game.

Tom

Arsenal transfermarkt value -780m
Olympiacos transfermarkt value – 80 m
Is this a new low for Arsenal in Europe?

BacaryisGod

Well, I said I’m on the Arteta train for at least two years because we’re too much of a mess to properly turn around sooner. He’s not even had a summer transfer window to call his own yet. So even as this was an abysmal performance, I’m not putting it on him. I’m not putting it on Auba either as he’s been an unqualified success in his attitude, leadership and performances since his arrival. Having said that, with over 200 million worth of talent in our front four, what a disgrace to have zero shots on target for over two-thirds… Read more »

RodneyKing

@Wasi How do you expect Arteta’s in-game management to be top notch when you know this is his first job? That’s some kind of veiled criticism in my opinion.

In any case, it doesn’t really matter whether it was the manager’s or the players’ fault. You’ve praised Arteta for the good performances of late – and rightly so.

Don’t be reluctant to blame him for this loss.

Redtruth

BacaryisGod

We’d be relegated under your idea, no I’m afraid, the only way out is to spend big, £300m big…

raptora

From the first minute you could see that the team wasn’t up for it. Arteta made 2 changes from our game Vs Everton – Saka for Kolasinac and Lacazette for Nketiah. It was the exact same team that played Vs Newcastle in our first game Vs Dubai again with the exception of Lacazette for Nketiah. 1. Team looked fatigued right from the get go. 2. Team wasn’t up for it. They were perfectly fine passing the ball around for 90 minutes. They didn’t went out to win the game of football. 3. Martinelli, who’s been desperate for minutes lately and… Read more »

Tom

The usual suspects, but just like last time, they’ll look like muppets when things change

——————
What last time are you referring to Pedro?

gnarleygeorge9

Since Stan Kroenke got involved with The Arsenal it has continued to take one step forward & two steps back. He married an heir to the Walmart fortune, he is not an empire builder, he just has plenty of financial backing from his wife’s side to satisfy his desire to own umpteen sports teams. While this fella & son remain involved in a majority ownership basis The Arsenal will continue to take one step forward & two steps back.

BacaryisGod

Redtruth,

We would struggle but if we invested in 4-5 quality players we would be fine. Grealish has kept Villa competitive with much less talent to support him.

This starting XI plus Grealish alone would be fine and this is before additional acquisitions:

Leno
Bellerin
Tierney
Holding
Chambers
Guendouzi
Torreira
Grealish
Saka
Pepe
Martinelli

rollen

Fine margins Pedro, right, but its same old players at fault same old lack of balls when it matters. Arsenes glorious failure at its best.
And cut this crap , no one is happy that we embarrassed ourselfs in Europe once again. Most ppl are angry and rightly so. PPl are over the top as you were on Emery.

off topic

Guys have look at Liverpools financials published lately;

thx Ivan.

BacaryisGod

Redtruth

Also, spending 300 million is never, ever going to happen. The choice is the one I presented. Maybe keep a couple of older leaders with expiring contracts like Sokratis but otherwise we should bin the lot and then let Auba get his last shot at Champions League glory at Barca.

raptora

Pedro, Glad you agree with most of it. Gabriel sub made a lot of us feel like it was late by around 105 minutes. Or at least 45. I said that it was odd that Eddie wasn’t in the squad. It’s only normal to 1. Not play him if he started Vs Everton but also 2. Have at least a winger and a striker on the bench. All we had was Martinelli who was almost an unused sub. It doesn’t however contradict with my original desire to play Martinelli, Auba, Pepe with Lacazette our first option from the bench in… Read more »

RodneyKing

Talking about fine margins. Had Auba converted that penalty away at Spurs. Had Mustafi not been Mustafi vs Crystal Palace….

It’s too early to judge Arteta. But of course, as fans we’re accustomed to judging the manager and players with each passing game.

Overall, my own judgement will be in May 2021. But even then, I’m prepared to write that season off as well. If we get top 4 fine, if we don’t but are making progress in key areas, I’ll be content.

In my opinion, 2021/22 should be season to begin to really challenge for the top places.

Dissenter

“In all honesty, who do you think was responsible for the loss? The Manager or the Players.”

That was the same arguments that roiled this forum when Emery was win charge.
Ultimately the buck stops on the manager’s table. He didn’t set the team up right and his in-game management is sub-par.
Hopefully he learns from this and stops starting every game with the player that openly worship him. He needs to fart out all that smoke they have blown up his bum.

Dissenter

Pedro You seem to be comfortable with failure so long as Arteta is the one in charge. When we win, he gets the credit and when we perform so limply that all the viagra in the world can’t stand us up… he should get what managers everywhere get – criticisms. You need to stop taking legitimate commentary personal. Even Emery didn’t get us knocked out in the last 32 stages. Arteta doesn’t need a preseason or new players to get past this Olympiaokos team. All that tough talk, where did all go? He deserves stick for this one. Hope he… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

There are many lessons to be learned from last night’s poor performance. 1. We need to rotate the team selections better. Some of the team were playing on “empty”. 2. Leno is a decent shot stopper, but he is not as others suggest controlling his area on set pieces AND his distribution is awful. He cost us the match against Chelsea and most certainly was at fault for the disastrous second goal conceded last night. 3. Our defence remains brittle as ever. It is time to make the changes in personnel. Old players do not learn “new tricks”. The fact… Read more »

Johnno

Arteta is a novice. He will make mistakes. But he has potential. Going for him should mean we are looking at a revolution/ longer term overhaul. I think arteta has done way better than expected up until now – if he was worse I’d still be okay with him if he’s a brave long term hire. Here’s why – If that’s the case that we need to overhaul – who would any of us absolutely keep ? For me. Leno. Tierney. Saka. Auba martinelli That’s it. Two teenagers, a crock and a fella that will likely leave. The pick of… Read more »

China1

Pedro how is 2 points behind 3rd place and one good performance in a uefa cup final not fine margins between having had an acceptable season and a frustrating failure of a season? We’d have still been a work in progress under emery but we would’ve been in the CL, had extra money and a EL trophy for our troubles. Plenty nicer than what we got. And that was one auba miss and one good game against Chelsea from happening. Fine margins But he was on the wrong side of those margins so has rightly paid the price in the… Read more »

Redtruth

There is no lesson to be learned, if the manager can’t see the obvious now then he never will…

RodneyKing

@Pedro Give Emery some respect and just say he wasn’t a good fit at Arsenal. Which is actually a fair assessment. Bad coaches don’t win 3 EL trophies in a row. On one occasion, he even beat the great Klopp in the final. I’d like to be that bad in my day job.😂 He got this bunch of players within touching distance of top 4 and into the final of the EL! And now we’re out in the round of 32! I’m afraid, it’s looking like he over-achieved with this lot. We all know that one of his problems at… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

It is easy to blame the performance on Arteta.

However, it was clear that he was giving the team instructions, but unfortunately the players onfield lacked the energy and naus to deliver what he asked.

When we discuss poor team selections as some posters do the question I would ask is who would you have selected? Perhaps I would have made earlier substitutions with Torreira and Martinelli , but that is about it.

Redtruth

Pedro
“Rodney, fine margins is Wenger in 1999. Not Emery who missed out and tanked is to our worst seasons in 30 years.”

I think you’ll find Emery improved on Wenger’s last season in charge by moving us from 6th to 5th place…

Redtruth

Emiratesstroller

All these flaws and we hire a virgin coach..

Emiratesstroller

Pedro

RT is the poster who wrote on Wednesday that “Man City would get smashed” by
Real Madrid.

Caligooner

I really can’t believe that anyone would advocate for emery needing more time. The players completely quit on him. Bad results spanned the end of last year and entire first half of this season.

He was shit. He deserved to go after the collapse last season. He was backed by big money over the summer and was even worse. A nonsensical argument.

China1

Pedro last season was fine margins. That beyond even a hint of dispute

Auba penalty against spurs, one good game against Chelsea and we’re EL champions, 3rd in the league, more money, more prestige, CL football this season

He tanked this season. last season was 100% fine margins.

Emiratesstroller

Pedro

It is an “illness”!!

Redtruth

Emiratesstroller

When it comes to all things Arsenal, i’m always right, I said under Emery players were not good enough and now you are agreeing with my judgement..

Emiratesstroller

Pedro

I did not go last night to game, because my wife is going into hospital for operation.

Yes the stadium looked half empty and lacked atmosphere, but that has been the case for most Europa League Games in last 2 seasons. A lot of season ticket holders are not going to cup games.

Also I think that you have to factor in that there is growing concern about moving around London. I was driving through Muswell Hill on Tuesday and
the shops were empty.

Redtruth

You know the team is in trouble when someone like Mustsfi is elevated to talisman..

China1

I didn’t see the incident but on sky sports it says utd’s penalty was converted 3 mins and 40 seconds after being given due to var review

Wtfffffff

3 mins and 40 seconds???? Var needs to be doused in petrol and set alight. Then when the fires is out, I want the ashes scooped up and poured into a vat of acid. After totally dissolving I propose we launch the acid vat on the tip of a rocket directly into the sun

VAR is the worst thing ever

BacaryisGod

Arteta said this afternoon the game: “It hurts, big time. We had a lot of hope in this competition. I think we did a lot of positive things in the game; I think we created enough chances to win, but if you concede two set-pieces again in a tie like this you put yourself in big trouble.” This worries me. What he should have said is ‘Both the team and I had a very bad day. The performance was well below what should be expected of an Arsenal team. We all need to learn from this quickly” His comments sound… Read more »

China1

No Pedro, it’s all emery would’ve needed to have a decent season and more than hit the targets he was given (top 4)

Goobergooner

What a heartbreaking loss. Only just watched the game. Not much to say that hasn’t been said. The fact we lost at home with such a dismal performance is definitely hard to take. Just as things were taking an upturn for the season. I didn’t have us to win it this year anyway, but that is a shocking way to go out. Top 5 is a possibility, but I don’t think our players have the balls to push through, I hope I am wrong. Don’t worry though, there is an extra place for Europa league next season we may work… Read more »

Sid

Its one of 2 things

1. The squad isnt good enough
Or
2. The squad is good enough and the coaching isnt

China1

The thing is with refs and var

If they make a mistake in the heat of the moment they will always have that excuse that it happened fast and I didn’t see clearly etc

But for it to take an entire team of supposedly trained professionals 3 and a half minutes to see if it’s a hand ball is an utterly shameful indictment of how these ‘officials’ are not anywhere near capable of doing this job

Sid

Where is soares?

Aussie Gooner

Languid and lethargic until the last 15 min of normal time. Allowed a very ordinary team to boss the game, cause panic in lightning breaks and have us on the back foot for most of the game. Not a shot on goal for most of the match, backwards/sideways passing, no initiative, no one willing to take players on, can’t defend set pieces, try to play out from the back and get into trouble – where have I heard this before? Yes it is down to the coach – team selection, substitutions, in-game management plan etc. That is the coach’s remit… Read more »

Goobergooner

Sid, It can be both. But I think Arteta came in at the right time (as in mid season, albeit for a rookie the wrong time in terms of league position and form). I think everyone wrote this season off long ago. He deserves the criticisms of team selection and subs, but if it is constructive enough, he is smart enough to learn and adapt. And that criticism can only go so far, as let’s be honest this squad is not good enough, so he has to play the cards he’s been dealt. He does however still deserve time to… Read more »

Sid

The team selection was Wengeresque, no rotation, and late subs some of these signs are worrying.

RodneyKing

Ha Pedro, you need to get down on your knees and pray – or meditate or get those voodoo dolls out or call on the gods of sauce or whatever it is you do as religion – for Arteta to be a success at Arsenal because Le Grove never forgets. 😂😂 But you’d have nothing to worry about. Those of us who truly love you and your writing will quickly forgive you like we always do and put it all down to you wanting the best for our dear Arsenal. And if he does succeed, which I hope will be… Read more »

Goobergooner

China,

Amen.

Var and the officials are a bunch of cunts to put it politely.

Emiratesstroller

Aussie Gooner We can debate ad infinitum who was to blame for last night’s performance. The hard facts are that the team did not perform on the pitch and appeared to be playing on “empty”. When we discuss who to play in midfield the options are limited. If you take off Ozil and Ceballos you are left with Guendouzi, Torreira and Willock as the alternatives. Midfield has been a problem all season, because apart from the diminishing talents of Ozil we have lack of creativity in that department but more importantly limited assists and goals scored. If you look at… Read more »

Gonsterous

Knew lack of rotation would be the end of emery and now the same lack of rotation is doing arteta in.
Nothing wrong with not rotating when you have players with the quality and dedication of cesc when he was here, but keeping faith with the xhakas and the ozils will gradually give you problems and prepare to see more of these types of results.

Don’t really know what arteta can learn from yesterday? He’s been making the same mistakes again and again and the nay-sayers have been dishing out the same excuses again and again.

GunnerDNA

That was humiliating! Couple days ago fans was downplaying Emery winning the competition and reaching the final last season and today our supposed best 11 got jumped by some Uber Drivers. It’s always good to remain humble. All the “we’re happier now” from these players and they all embarrassed the club for the 3 year in the competition. Worrying times ahead!

Sid

XG and XGa doesnt lie.

Im telling you this for free!

Tony

Watched the game this morning Thai time with my son who is off from his private school indefinitely because a kid coming back from a Japan skiing trip with suspected Covid. Also another quarantined case in our city. Arteta’s team selection and in game management were seriously flawed, which seems to be Arteta’s Achilles heel. No need for me going into finite details as Marko, Ernest, Rocky, Pie and others have made the pints I would have made. Problem is Arteta doesn’t seem to be learning by his, Emery’s and Wenger’s mistakes. Last night was Wenger 2.0 at his worst.… Read more »

Bamford10

Emirates

“If you take off Ozil and Ceballos you are left with Guendouzi, Torreira …”

Emery reached the final last season using Guendouzi, Torreira, Xhaka, Ozil and Ramsey.

He also used the 3-5-2 a lot, something Arteta might want to to consider going forward.