The Deadwood Redemption

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Source: Big Dave on text

I’ve been in America too long, it’s true. I love nothing more than a rags to riches story. Or, more in the American tradition, I damn well love a riches to riches story. It was Robert Downey Jnr and Bieber a few years ago, now, the Netflix doco I need in my life is Mustafi: Falsch Verstanden, what a hero. He’s playing so well, I think I want him to stay.

Have I gone mad? Maybe, but performances don’t lie, and if he keeps this up, why wouldn’t you hang onto him, then give him a £350k p/w 3 year deal?

I’ve written for years that it’s been tough to judge the true quality of some of the players that have passed through the club. Arsene Wenger’s coaching skills dipped badly after 2010, but his eye for fantastic young players did not. Some flourished, others never hit the heights. You wonder what a smarter approach could have done with some of that raw material. One thing I’m sure of, our biggest sale would have been higher than £40m. Serge Gnabry, Chezzer, Nasri, Malen, and Yaya Sanogo… all deserved better.

Anyway, my rambling point is that after Wenger, we upgraded the thinking to a piece of soggy single-ply cardboard. Literally no one improved. Under the second average coach, as fans, instead of saying, ‘shit, these players have had a bad run of coaches how can we judge?’, we fucking massacred the lot of them. Do I feel bad about that? Absolutely not. We are the rabble, that’s what we do.

How times have changed, we’re now seeing what a great coach can do for confidence, team camaraderie, and performances. David Luiz and Mesut Ozil are back to playing like senior players that have won things. Granit Xhaka, a player I could not stand, looks really good wherever he’s played in the new setup. He seems fairly happy as well. He had this to say to The Standard. 

“Of course, I don’t lie. There was a moment [when I thought I wouldn’t play for Arsenal again], because it was not easy for me and my family. I hope people understand this,”

“But I think I showed my character. I am not a guy who runs away. I always say to the club: ‘When I [am] here, I am ready to give everything.’

‘It was like this always. I train very hard and that things turned around is the key. This [has given me] the most happiness.”

We do forget that these players are human, then we remember, so we dehumanise them because they are more wealthy than we will ever be… also, players forget that they are icons. His behaviour against Palace was terrible, his performances were really poor, it was a match made in mid-table hell. But hey, let’s moved onto something more productive, like ways the clubs could fix the issues. This from Xhaka.

“I think this is the biggest difference [between] Germany and England, because [here] we don’t have the [close] connection with the fans. In Germany, for example, you have open training sessions, the fans come and [talk to you], ask you why.

“Here, everything is closed. So, for me, it would be good this time to explain to the people what is not going good or bad. But it doesn’t matter now. Now we have to enjoy, that’s the most ­important.”

Imagine popping down to London Colney to ask Xhaka what the fuck he was thinking leaving the front post unmarked. Not sure how it would go down, but I’m willing to give it a go.

Regardless of who makes it or not, the truth is this: Arteta is making the deadwood better. If they maintain the form and some stay, great news. If we pump their value and land bigger fees this summer, absolutely incredible. One narrative we can’t let take grip is the ridiculous notion that Arteta might find himself hoodwinked by cunning squad members who are hiding their bad performances with… errr… good performances (yes, this is a real concern). This new stick to beat the regime with is about as insightful as the idea that Arteta was soft because he played under Wenger or that he’d implement boring football because he was a boring player.

Arteta was most impactful coach at the most technical footballing outfit the Premier League has ever seen. City won the league back to back with record points, their football was disgustingly good, their consistency was machine-like. You don’t make it at that level if you can’t assess talent. If he keeps players, it’s because they are good enough.

It’s going to be a big summer regardless. I think we’ll see at least 6 players leave. There will be an influx of talent in a lower age profile, and certainly, with a different athletic make-up. How big we go is very much dependent on the Champions League, which feels like a longshot right now. I also think qualification for the big trophy will determine who stays. Auba might get his £300k a week if we’re playing Barca in the group stages next year. We might hold onto Ozil if we’re with the elite. If we’re not, then the club has to work out where the priorities lie, adding, or keeping… one thing is for sure, we can’t maintain a £200m wage bill if we’re out of the big one another year.

One player that really would thrill me is the excellent Thomas Partey, he has a £43m release clause, but he’s in talks with Atleti to sign a new deal. I love the idea of this signing, he’s the perfect profile for our midfield, but I can’t help but think Arsenal are a great club to be linked to if you’re looking to edge up your offer. If you’re trying to make your girlfriend jealous, you don’t tell her Kerri Russel (Barca) was breaching your personal space at Blue Bottle Coffee, you tell her Loose Sandra (Arsenal) in accounts keeps liking your posts on Instagram… you gotta keep things realistic.

I also think there might be a big super-agent signing in the offing. I mean, there should be. The agent fees we racked up in January must surely be worth something. We’ll see though.

Right, that’s about all I have time for today, please jump into the podcast I recorded with Alex, it’s a great listen, I think it might be the best podcast in the world right now? Or not. You decide by listening right now.

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  1. MidwestGun

    Mid
    Who wants to rock the latest thing and copying the zombie trends? Better to be an individual.
    ______
    I guess Un.. but sometimes ugly is just ugly and not avante garde.

  2. MidwestGun

    Not unless you’re Beckham
    _________
    Or Giroud. Dude could rock just about any look and girls are into it. My gf who knows nothing at all about football. Everytime she seems him is like, who’s that…? I’m like Fukin Geeeroo.

  3. Marc

    “There’s no reason Granit Xakha cannot be a certain starter for the best team in the world”

    Er I can think of one or a thousand reasons.

  4. Habesha Gooner

    There’s no reason Granit Xakha cannot be a certain starter for the best team in the world providing he suits it and it suits him. Liverpool are living proof of that.

    I am going to disagree with that. He has too many flaws. Concentration, Speed, Tackling, Discipline. Not one midfielder in the liverpool midfield has these many flaws. The modern game is about being an all rounder. Xhaka is just a master of passing( although sometimes gets is in trouble because of his concentration) and long passes. These attributes may work in a slower less intense league but not here. Not if we want to be the best again.

  5. Marc

    Un

    I don’t think there’s something spooky going on – it’ll turn out to be a virus that has just had massively limited exposure to humans before. We just turn out to be very mobile / social incubators for it – so far it’s knocking off old people or those with pre existing conditions so doing what flu does most winters.

    It’s mortality rate is 2% – Smallpox was 30 odd % and we basically wiped that out.

  6. Luteo Guenreira

    Cutter

    Gorgeous crop, please let me know if they are any good! Last time I ate some homegrown mushrooms they didn’t do much. I’ve been looking for good mushrooms locally for years now. Only place psilocybin is legal in the US currently is the cities of Denver and a couple other cities in Northern California, as far as I can tell. Apparently some types grow in the wild but no idea how to identify them and even if I could, not sure if I could bring myself to eat random mushrooms I find on a golf course somewhere.

    On a similar note I’m in Tahiti right now about to take a couple tabs of acid tonight. Gonna be an intense one haha. I wish I had a couple joints to smoke but carrying flower on an international flight is a different animal to sticking a few tabs in a book somewhere.

    Anyway. Cheers to all those that love to party.

  7. Champagne Charlie

    Habesha

    Oh ffs, what goal posts? I’ve asked what stats you’re hanging your hat on, and made the comment that any of those mentioned would’ve been exposed at Arsenal in the last 3 years.

    It’s dead easy to reduce a player to a spreadsheet but they’re not all tasked with the same thing, they’re not all playing in competent setups, and they’re all with varying strengths and weaknesses.

  8. Luteo Guenreira

    The R0 of Cov-19 was estimated at 2.2 a week ago. R0 of flu is typically around 1.3. SARS got as high as 5 in some reports. Smallpox had an R0 of 3.5-6 when is was eradicated. Pertussis has an R0 of 15-17.

    This isn’t the big deal the world is making it out to be. It’ll still go on for a good while longer though. The bell curve of transmission and control will likely go through the same trajectory in each country there is an outbreak.

    But for Christ’s sake, every time the planet is trying to get rid of a chunk of the population, humans refuse to play along. This planet has too many people. We’d be doing humanity a favor by letting these kinds of things go on for a bit, honestly.

  9. MidwestGun

    Well for me I think.. we will absolutely bring in a couple midfielders this summer. Especially since we need to cut the wage bill. I would rather have a better option then Xhaka. or LT for that matter and definitely would prefer a better option then Ozil especially on the road. But I’m resigned to the fact Xhaka may be here another season or more. So at this point its just raging against the machine because we can’t do anything until summer and see where we finish anyhow to see what budget we are working with. and see how attractive we are as a club. . And as along as Xhaka continues to clean up the dumb yellow card fouls then he is not as much of a liability.. I mean dude still can’t tackle but he has been adding to the passing options and covering for Saka so I can’t be mad at that. He made a lovely chip pass I think it was against Newcastle and I was like hmmm.. why doesn’t he do that more?. He’s another player like Gervinho was that should be good on most occasions but usually they aren’t. Gervinho was much better in Italy after he left us in a slower league. Kind of think Xhaka would do the same.

    Anyhow… Muller finally scores. was getting close.

  10. Marc

    Un

    Haven’t seen it – not my type of film.

    Luteo

    It’s all part of the same melting pot. Climate change is caused by there being too many people, which is also driving habitat loss, which combining the two is driving the 6th mass extinction. Exposure to changing environments and changing habitats will bring about new infections.

    Home Sapiens were a failed experiment – fortunately I’m Homo Superioris Gooneros

  11. Luteo Guenreira

    God damn people, do you immediately throw out every shirt with a hole in it? Sometimes you gotta wear that shirt until the next time your favorite store has a sale right?

    Our midfielders are basically holey shirts. If that’s all you got, you wear it because most places won’t let you in without a shirt on.

    This is basically what the discussion is about on here every day. No one is saying the shirt doesn’t have a hole. We’re saying with the right outfit you can cover that hole with a nice jacket until you get a new shirt.

  12. Champagne Charlie

    Un

    Not my area, but just needs treating like any flu. New strains have a few quirks but a vaccine will be cooked up in no time and it’s not potent from what I can tell.

  13. Luteo Guenreira

    It’s all part of the same melting pot

    Hard to argue with that.

    Un

    I don’t swim in the ocean much so could care less about all that plastic. But I sweat like a criminal at the slightest variance in temperature so climate change is the bigger nuisance for me 🙃

  14. Luteo Guenreira

    a vaccine will be cooked up in no time

    Word was 4-6 months I think? But this will probably die down organically before then.

  15. Habesha Gooner

    Luteo
    Nice analogy
    Would you want to keep wearing that shirt if you think it looks great even though it has a hole in it and you find some one who would buy that shirt. if you could afford to buy a new one would you keep the old shirt?

  16. Champagne Charlie

    Un

    Lol sorry, I mean it will wipe out precisely 17% of the world after it mutates into a supervirus. Only sacrificing your neighbour will protect you.

  17. MidwestGun

    I have a Holy shirt. it was signed by TH14 I don’t touch it or wash it.. keep it in a box on a shelf.. some day I will get around to framing it and hanging it, maybe.

  18. MidwestGun

    Un-
    Sweet.. well mine is an Invincible throwback shirt as well.. But I had a friend get it signed by him when he was at Redbulls.

  19. MidwestGun

    Well everything is a joke to you Red.. maybe your standards are too high? no?
    But then again Ospina is your standard.. so never mind.

  20. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Arsene wenger the gift that keeps giving..
    Serge gnarby
    Donyell malen
    Bennecar

    170m worth of talent he gave away.

  21. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    I agree red

    He had one success
    Cesc.

    H3 fucked up ashely Cole a life long arsenal fan.

    He fucked up the jewel in the crown jack,

    Add sczcney to the list to take over 200m that cunt gave away…
    Tosser.

  22. Pedro

    Wenger, 3 Premier League titles and an invincible manager, was the worst developer of players in history.

    You guys are such drama queens.

  23. Major_Jeneral

    Good post – Pedro.
    And you and Alex really touched major issues in the podcast. Your best podcast yet.

    That picture is from Shawshank Redemption movie. A nice movie that featured Morgan Freeman in it.

  24. Receding Hairline

    Pedro didn’t know you cared about stuff like stuff won and pedigree

    You were the fellow who declared a three time European cup winner garbage on your blog but think home wins against Newcastle and Everton are “levels we don’t know exist”

    Drama Queen’s indeed …they are just following in your footsteps

  25. Pierre

    Chelsea gave Bayern way too much respect, sat off them from the first minute and got what they deserved …a good hammering.

    19 year old Bayern left back Davies is total quality.

    The least said about Gnabry the better.

  26. Pedro

    RH, the Europa League is a pony trophy and Emery was a pony manager. I think we’re beyond debating the point now, he literally gave us our worst season in over 30 years, it’s kind of case closed.

    Not fit to lace the boots of Arsene Wenger I’m afraid.

  27. Northbanker

    What ridiculous comments on Wenger

    He may have declined but utter shit to say a guy who transformed Arsenal had only one success and couldn’t develop players
    You two -red and rsvp are obviously straight out of kindergarten

    So Henry, Vieira, Petit, Anelka, Van Persie, Lauren, Toure, etc etc?????

    Your stupidity is unparalleled

  28. Pedro

    Pierre, it’s quite incredible that anyone would go to bat for Emery now. A literal spec of dust on the history of Arsenal and we have people like RH still crying over him.

    I once backed Nik B to be a great striker. I was wrong. I moved on and never spoke about it again. I certainly didn’t pick fights with people who were absolutely correct about him being a pile of shit.

  29. Pierre

    Pedro
    There will be some serious money floating around this summer .

    United will go in for grealish to play alongside Bruno Fernandes( who looks quality) .

    Chelsea will be looking for a top striker and will spend big, I can’t see frank settling for just fighting for top 4 .

    Who knows with Arsenal , midfield is the area we should be looking at seriously…Arteta is similar to Frank , he will want to build a team that challenges for the title.

  30. Bamford10

    Pedro

    “Worst season in 30 years,” and yet Arteta is only doing a sliver better. Indeed, until yesterday, he wasn’t doing any better.

  31. Marko

    Wenger, 3 Premier League titles and an invincible manager, was the worst developer of players in history. You guys are such drama queens.

    Oh how the times have changed.

  32. Pierre

    Pedro
    “Pierre, it’s quite incredible that anyone would go to bat for Emery now.”

    It smacks of desperation…

    A wasted 18 months.

  33. Pierre

    Oh oh, here he is…

    I can see it now, we go 20 games unbeaten and Bamford and Receding will be reminding us that Emery went 22 games unbeaten.

    It will be the last desperate attempt by them to prove that Emery is doing better than Arteta.

  34. Pierre

    Ishola
    “Let’s not hear about the strength of the EPL.”

    English teams dominated Europe totally last season in both competitions.

    Come back in 3 months time and we will see who are competing in the 2 European finals.

  35. Graham62

    Bayern were superb, irrespective of Chelski’s failings.

    Based on what I saw tonight, it will take a very good team to stop Bayern in the CL.

  36. Bamford10

    Ishola

    I think it’s a little more complicated than that. One, that’s the first place team in the Bundesliga versus the 4th place team in the PL. Two, Chelsea are a wobbly and inconsistent 4th place team at that, one that is six points behind 3rd place Leicester City and 13 points behind 2nd place Man City. Three, whatever you think of Chelsea, they outshot Arsenal 13 to 7 at the Emirates and 19 to 2 at Stamford Bridge. They may be weaker than this or that Chelsea team of the past, but they’re still a lot better than this iteration of Arsenal.

  37. Receding Hairline

    Yea the Europa league is pony yet we have been in it for how long now without winning it.

    I’m not going to bat for anyone, just pointing out you gave up the right to call anyone a drama queen after calling a coach with ten career trophies and two first time promotions garbage. One of those promotions came after being made coach from player. He didn’t get to sit besides one of the greatest managers in history, he was thrown in at the deep end and swam to be the man he is today.

    I will keep pulling you up on your hypocritical and vengeful commentary on Emery anytime you pull up others

  38. Redtruth

    Pierre
    “Come back in 3 months time and we will see who are competing in the 2 European finals.”

    It’s a shame you don’t apply the same criteria to Arteta’s management instead of jumping to conclusions.

  39. Valentin

    Pierre,

    If you were Grealish, assuming that OGS is still in charge and Villa is relegated would you join ManUtd?
    I would not. Right now, even with Champion’s League football they are not so attractive anymore.
    In fact with Mourinho in charge of Spurs going to explode within a year, Chelsea with potentially Abramovitch wanting away and Lampard exposing his limits, I would say that both Leicester and Arsenal would look to offer better prospect career wise.
    Of course money talk, but clever players/good agents choose long term benefit over short term gain.

  40. Luteo Guenreira

    Guys I think I’ve figured it out. Hamford refuses to acknowledge that proper leadership can make a difference because he has never made a positive impact on single student’s life. It’s all solely on the ability of the student or the player, nothing else. Saying proper management of talent or of a youth can make any kind of difference would be admitting what a shitty teacher he is.

    Ironically enough though all that is unnecessary. We can tell you’re a shitty teacher just by the way you write.

  41. Bamford10

    Ahh, Luteo, it’s always such a pleasure to read your stuff. Your obsession with me is a little weird, though. Seriously.

  42. Valentin

    Some people are like dog with a bone who refuse to let it go even when all that is left is rot and uselessness.
    You have to admire that persistence. Shame that for some, Emery the object of their attention/dedication/puppy live is not worth it.

  43. Pierre

    Valentin
    United will offer Grealish fortunes.

    United have just brought in Fernandes who could transform their season, and will probably spend another fortune in the summer.

    Grealish could well choose united with or without OGS…

  44. Luteo Guenreira

    Bamford

    Tell me seriously then. Supposing that you can (allegedly) make a difference in the ability of a student’s ability to learn compared to another even shittier teacher, why is it so hard for you to apply that same phenomenon to football and Emery/Arteta?

    It’s got nothing to do with someone’s desire to learn? The only thing that matters is the final grade or the place in the table?

    Actually don’t answer, I can already imagine what kind of dumbass response that I couldn’t bother to read you’d give.

  45. Valentin

    Luteo

    🤣👏

    Sometimes I worry for his students.
    If his teaching skills are on par with his football debating skills on show here.

  46. Valentin

    I am not worried that ManUtd will spend lots of money as long as OGS is in charge, let them continue squandered an insane amount of money on mediocre overpriced players or players unsuited to OGS style.

    However I am worried that OGS would be replaced by Pochettino. He would give them structure, organisation and direction.

  47. Leedsgunner

    Obviously the final decision is Arteta’s but if it was up to me the players I’d definitely sell in the summer are

    Elneny (£10m)
    Mkhitaryan (£15m)
    Mavropanos (£2m)
    Mustafi (£18m)
    Kolasinac (£10m)
    Macey (£1m)
    Jordi Osei Tutu (£3m)
    Ben Sheaf (£2m)
    Ainsley Maitland-Niles (£20m]

    We need to back the manager in the summer but selling the above would give the head coach a nice starter to fire up his transfer war chest.

  48. Pedro

    Peak Wenger made the Champions League final, pretty close I’d say.

    Shite record overall, but let’s not rewrite history.

  49. Jamie

    Allegri to Utd. Poch to PSG – he’ll want the first trophies of his managerial career even if they’re gimmes.

    Put your milk money on that and you won’t be too far away. I mean, neither could happen but still it’ll be 87% accurate.

  50. MidwestGun

    Damn Receding.. what happened to that happy go lucky dude who just got married and was living and loving life?.. not worried about what anyone said on here including Un.

    Used to love reading your repartee with Un. Lately it’s just been all bitter posts about Emery’s legacy and people disparaging it. He was rubbish for us this season to the point he had to be released. doesn’t matter what he did previous clubs or previous season. I feel the same way about Mourinho .. I happen to think he is rubbish as well….and he has won a lot more then Emery ever did. Managers change.. times change, things change.

    Anyhow, I just want the old RH back. Think this Arteta appointment threw you for a serious loop.

  51. Champagne Charlie

    “I say this not to criticize Arteta, who I rate, like and respect. I say this because I believe certain people here have been immensely unfair to the previous manager and because I believe the real problem at Arsenal this season was and is player quality, not the previous manager.“

    Are you genuinely so daft to dismiss their relative circumstances for taking charge of this team?

    One had 18 months worth of work and transfers, the other had no influence on squad composition and no time.

    Amazing how dishonest you can be with your assessments.

  52. RockyRoe

    Leeds

    Nice list there, tho gh we might get a bit more for mavp since he seems to be doing well on loan, we might also get a tad more for kola, if he gets back from injury in time. We will get a little less for amn, but I agree this will fetch rough 80 million.

    Add 30 million to that and we should have 2 decent mids and a backup lb ( saka woulnt want to play there if he signs an extention).

    With cebellos going back, he would have a net gain on 1 midfielder, unless, the recruitment playes a blinder.

  53. Pedro

    Bamford, I did. We’re about a week in on your return and you are back to repeating yourself.

    No one cares about your views on squad poverty. No one cares about your view on how Emery was treated. Everyone wants to move on.

  54. Luteo Guenreira

    Hamford

    You’ve predictably missed the point entirely.

    By your stance you would never acknowledge the potential of a child with less scholastic ability the possibility of achieving more than what you’ve assessed they are capable of, especially compared to another student who you think is smarter or more studious.

    That’s how you talk of our players. It’s a ridiculous stance to take in my opinion, especially from someone whose profession puts him in this very scenario, albeit in a different medium, with far more impressionable subjects. It’s really a pathetic POV from a teacher. .

  55. Bamford10

    Pedro

    Could you at least quote-paste the first part of my comment? I was trying to answer Luteo’s question, and I said nothing that should have fallen afoul of the censors. Indeed, I fail to see how any part of my comment fell afoul of the censors. Care to explain?

  56. Emiratesstroller

    I want to discuss the current situation of our Centre Backs, which has been frankly a long term problem at the club. We have on our books at the moment
    EIGHT players in the squad namely:
    MUSTAFI
    LUIZ
    SOKRATIS
    MARI [on loan with option to buy]
    HOLDING
    CHAMBERS
    SALIBA [out on loan]
    MAVROPANOS [out on loan]

    None of these players are in my view top quality and the rumour is that we are
    still in the market for at least one new CB.

    The first question to be asked is how many CBs do we actually need on our
    books? Looking at successful teams they have on average no more than 5
    players to cover the positions allowing for perhaps two injuries.

    Personally I would be surprised if Mustafi remains at the club next season.
    He may be playing well at the moment, but his track record has not been great
    and I think that the time has come to cash in and find a more reliable player.

    I think also that the two Greek CBs don’t have a future at the club. Sokratis
    is clearly past his best and Mavropanos has failed to make the grade at the
    club. So they need to be shifted out in summer.

    This would leave 5 CBs on the books plus an additional potential acquisition.
    Assuming that Mari is retained and we exercise option I think that the club
    could loan out one additional player either Holding or Chambers assuming
    that the latter is match fit by start of next season.

    Selling three Centre Backs should generate perhaps £25 million to our transfer budget.

  57. Guns of SF

    Mari needs game time to see if we buy or not, I want to see him against prem opponents to really gauge him

    What about kola? Free money there

    Soaress also another who needs to prove fitness as well or sell….

    I’m also about selling bell if he cannot make the grade. He has sell on value still

    I think the club will want to get a cb and fb. Move Saka back to winger

  58. Emiratesstroller

    When you look at most other major clubs they have on their books four or at
    most five CBs. We have accumulated so much dross that our situation has become ridiculous and overloaded with players in that position costing us a
    lot of money in wages.

    Ideally Arsenal need two players covering each position on the pitch plus
    an additional goalkeeper and maybe a couple of utility players.

  59. Guns of SF

    I don’t really see chambers or holding at the club long term

    Both have major knee injuries to recover from as well

    Upemecano saliba mari luiz and another possibly to hold down cb

  60. reality check

    Funny pedro wasn’t deleting comments when fans wanted to move on with emery and forget about wenger. Yet he allowed the “akbs” to continually rehash old wenger defences to bash emery with. All this BEFORE emery began to fail. Embarrassing.

  61. Zacharse

    Reality

    Sounds like he learned his lesson, also, there was at least an argument there. There is absolutely nothing to defend about emery. Easy to see in retrospect why his first season went as well as it did. The squad had a new manager for the first time in 20 years and was free of a senile legend. Then look whatbhappened when things got tough. not rocket surgery

  62. Zacharse

    Emirates /Sf

    I dont know the payroll situation. But im gonna assume luiz is on the most of all the cb’s in the squad. He should be kept for another 2-3. He’s learning from arteta, he’s a big presence. You need that thats a positive dude. Sok is probably next. He should go. He wont be difficult to sell. Mustafi i could see staying another season. Also I could see him wanting to get the fuck out of london if a champions league team goes in for him. Im not sold arteta would sell him no matter what. Saliba, chambers will both stay. Chambers is a solid utility guy should he recover and not become another classic arsenal casualty. Holding i dont know. Arteta will be a better judge than me. I think mav is a solid prospect. He’ll gonon loan hopefully. Mari we have to wait and see.
    So thats luiz, mustafi, saliba as shoe ins mari, holding, chambers… those are the three to watch. Mustafi if he goes will gonfor solid dough imo

  63. Zacharse

    Guns
    I think it was more than losing the players. You dont lose the players when youre getting good results. i remember more than a few VERY unconvincing wins. You gotta assume thebplayers werent feeling too different about it. Then look what happened when the luck went

  64. Guns of SF

    Emery had no offensive plans. Too pragmatic too confusing in the end and these losses only exacerbated his paranoia and neurotic. Coaching

    Put in his lack of connection with the players and fans too

    He became the mean dumb coach and players began to feel it…. he could not lift them when the luck ran out as you say

    Arteta connects much better with the fans and players emery alienated

  65. Zacharse

    It sure looks like arteta is the real deal. Exactly the kind of guy to carry om from wenger. Where are man u with their rebuilding?

  66. Redtruth

    Emiratesstroller
    “Ideally Arsenal need two players covering each position on the pitch plus
    an additional goalkeeper and maybe a couple of utility players.”

    How many years have you been talking the same rubbish…
    What was the point of sscking the manager when in your eyes the whole team needs overhauling…

  67. Receding Hairline

    Midwest its your comprehension that has issues not me. There is no bitter defense of Emery. Pedro went overboard in his criticism, it was a personal vendetta. He rewrote history just to make a point.

    I personally cannot stand a man trying to do an honest job insulted and his achievements belittled, I don’t condone it in real life and will continue to not do so. That some of you fail to see that is up to you. I am not here to make friends or form a clique.

    We are seeing the exact same things we saw early Emery, an unbeaten run, certain players looking like they have turned a corner, we are losing the xG battle now in games but winning the games, all this was flagged up as reasons for concern very early last season now they are swept under the carpet.

    Someone even suggested players might not sign for Chelsea because lampard has shown his limitations and we are a better alternative, it’s a shocking lack of self awareness, we have the rookiest manager in Europe, no one knows yet what his real strengths are of his limitations, it’s a wait and see scenario before we can truly say what path we are on, too bad this is being ignored and all we have here now are certain posters waiting to jump all over the slightest of criticisms.

  68. Emiratesstroller

    RT

    You are a village idiot.

    Part of your problem is that you do not actually read what people post.

    First of all I made it crystal clear in Emery’s first season at the club that whilst
    I had serious reservations about his management he should be given time to
    prove himself. However, it became abundantly clear this season that the club
    was on downward spiral under his management and many of the players lacked confidence under him.

    Second I have made the case that Arsenal should not recruit this summer more than two or three new players. However, our defence does need overhaul, although Rome is not built in one summer.

  69. Emiratesstroller

    When I discussed earlier the Centre Back situation at club I included in the equation two Centre Backs who are currently out on loan.

    With both Smith-Rowe and Saliba expected to return this summer there is only a need to recruit more than three new players if the club is forced to sell one or more of our players such as Aubameyang who has sofar declined to sign a new contract.

    For the record I am not advocating any material change in our forward options.

  70. Receding Hairline

    Emirates this whole no more than two to three players thing is a Wenger thing some of you continue to recite as gospel.

    Conte brought in a trailer load of players at Inter and they aren’t looking bad are they

    The coach should make changes to his squad as he seems fit and the market dictates, if we get good offers for five to six players in the squad which will help us upgrade then so be it. I say upgrade as I don’t see the point of bringing in players like Cedric. Don’t wanna talk about Mari yet, all those stories of him being a surprisingly likeable fellow and ready to mingle is all good, what should concern us is does he take us up a level on the pitch,we don’t know yet, I know Cedric doesn’t

  71. Habesha Gooner

    For the record Even if we have players in numbers we should upgrade in quality. Because it has been proven over three years some of these players aren’t adequate.
    If it were me I would sign A CB ( depends on Mari) , A decent LB, A DM to compete with torriera, A starting CM, A starting CAM and a LW to compete with Saka if auba leaves. sell Mustafi, Xhaka, Ozil, Sokratis, Kolasinac, Miki, Elneny. We definitely need upgrades in those positions.

  72. Zacharse

    receding

    we’re not seeing the same thing we saw w emery. reason being, emery had a full preseason and got to use all the bounce that came from arsenal finally getting a new manager after the toxic last wenger years. pretty straightforward

  73. Emiratesstroller

    RH

    I would remind you that we made wholesale changes to our squad in last two
    transfer windows.

    The club has for example 5 new forwards this season in Pepe, Martinelli, Saka,
    Nelson and Nketiah. So I see absolutely no case for replacements there unless
    Aubameyang or Lacazette leave.

    Second whilst I am not convinced about the quality of our midfield or its productivity I have not advocated this season more than one change in that
    department. We need a player who is not only creative but productive as well
    with assists and goals.

  74. Receding Hairline

    Zacharsse new manager bounce you say? Well newsflash we have a new manager now. Don’t try to sound clever and then say something like that. We finished two points off third and got to a cup final off a new manager bounce you say but its different now because? Again we have a new manager

  75. Receding Hairline

    Emirates where I differ from you is that I don’t believe Nelson and Nketiah have done enough to play for Arsenal. Even Martinelli is now showing what you get from youth, inconsistency.

    Some of you really have to decide what you want from AFC…true competitiveness or just the pretense of it

  76. Zacharse

    RH

    you don’t think there’s a difference when a manager who’s been at a club for 20 years, and the last few of those years divided the fanbase, cleared the stadium made evertything toxic etc. finally leaves and one who couldn’t hold on for two full seasons leaves? shit man, new manager bounce is an intangible, it isn’t evenly applied for everyone, and no MA did not get a new manager bounce if you’re memory can go back that far…

  77. Valentin

    I would rather have a slow steady gradual improvement in performances and results than a dead cat manager bounce reverting later on to mediocrity.
    As some of us predicted, we had the second with Emery. The problem is that many confused the bounce which was the outlier with the general trend.

  78. Emiratesstroller

    Zacharse

    This would be my squad for next season

    GK Leno Martinez [Macey to be replaced by Academy GK ]
    CB Luiz Saliba + 2 others [+ 1 New CB]
    RB Bellerin Soares
    LB Tierney Saka [ 1 new LB if Saka plays on LW]
    DMF Torreira Xhaka
    CMF Guendouzi Willock [1 new CMF]
    AMF Ozil Smith-Rowe
    RW Pepe Nelson
    LW Martinelli Saka
    CF Aubameyang Lacazette Nketiah
    Total 25 + 1 Academy GK

    Departures:
    CB Mustafi, Sokratis,Mavropanos + 1 other
    LB Kolasinac
    DMF Elneny
    CMF Ceballos [end of loan], Maitland-Niles
    AMF Mkhitaryan

    I don’t expect Xhaka or Ozil to leave even if they are on Le Grove Posters wish
    list.

  79. Bob N16

    ES, interesting reading but I’m left confused by your midfield for next season. You have written on many occasions that it was ‘ not fit for purpose’, yet you suggest only one addition.

    I hope you’re wrong and we see a couple of more dynamic additions. Arteta has found a way of using Xhaka that doesn’t expose his lack of speed but I’d much rather have a player who can impose his physicality on the opposition and has recovery speed.

  80. CazOnARola

    Emirates,
    What you posted is likely to happen.
    Aubameyang will leave though, so I’m not sure if the idea is to replace him with a new young striker or just rely on Martinelli ‘s versatility.

    Ozil might leave as he was close to joining Qatar and he is in the final year of his contract. So we may sign an AMF.

  81. Emiratesstroller

    Bob N16

    As I posted earlier Rome is not built in a day. Arsenal are going to spend a
    realistic amount of money in transfer window.

    Ceballos is likely to leave and will be replaced, but otherwise I think our midfield will not change dramatically.

    Earlier in season I would have expected Xhaka to leave following issue against
    CP, but clearly he has been reinstated under Arteta. I am not a fan of Guendouzi, but I don’t think he will leave and somehow I think Ozil will see
    out his finally year of contract.

  82. James wood

    Arsenal to set up a testimonial for former
    manager Arsene Wenger and Santi Carzola
    against Villarreal.

    Very convenient for Arsene as I’m sure without
    Santi’s involvement the turn out might be a bit
    Spread.

  83. Graham62

    “New manager bounce”.

    Discuss.

    My opinion.

    No comparison.

    Arteta took over a dysfunctional and demotivated set of players who couldn’t take it anymore.

    First it was Wengerland and then Emeryville.

    What Arteta has achieved to date is beyond my expectations, based on the double shitfest he inherited.

  84. Pierre

    Graham
    Arteta is true to his word.

    He said he needed to address our home form and that is exactly what he has done.

    After a run of 7 games at home in which we
    Lost 4
    Drawn 3
    Won 0

    In our last 5 home games
    Won 4
    Drawn 1
    Lost 0

    Taking into account that we are unbeaten away since November (too many draws) it becomes clear that we are becoming a very difficult side to beat.

    It is not perfect by any means and I believe he is still searching for the right balance in the team.

    We are now scoring goals but have started to look vulnerable at the back.
    We dont want to regress back to the Emery way of playing so I’m sure Arteta will realise the importance of keeping it tight at the back.

    I expect a strong side put out tonight, Lacazette may start but will Arteta surprise us by keeping the same front 3 of Pepe, Nketiah and Aubameyang with Ozil behind .