Happy Sunday, I hope you’re all safe, tucked away from that nasty hurricane that’s harassing the UK shores today.
The BIG news story is that – shock horror – Juventus want to sell Aaron Ramsey. The lovable Welshman, who picked up and ungodly wage to leave us last year, is now being touted around the UK for a cut-price summer move.
Aaron was a great for us, exactly what you needed in a world lacking instruction or vision, but I’m not sure he was ever worth those sorts of pound notes. The idea that Juve think they’ll be able to sell someone that’s been in and out of the sickbay for 10 years to anyone is quite the stretch… he has a deal until 2023, if I were him, I’d sit on my fat arse and watch the Lira roll in. No way is anyone picking up that tab.
Crazy thing with Aaron is that I’m not sure we’d even be able to offer to subsidise half his salary for a season, he’s that expensive. Juve has themselves a problem there, a really odd move in the first place, looking very silly right now.
There are a few mental reports in the press that Arsenal were looking to bring Wenger back to the club to unite the fanbase. I honestly couldn’t think of a crazier sentence to write down on paper. The man divided us like no other, what sort of healing powers do the leadership team think he has? That sort of insight comes from the school of temperature gaugers that thought a strong Twitter following would see Jezza Corbyn over the line.
My assumption is that this is just Wenger fanning his own PR flames again, the real story is it looks like Rennes are interested in giving him full control of their club, which seems like the typical sort of mistake green billionaires make when they come to Europe to make a splash. The beastly reality is Arsene damaged himself on the back 9 of his career and the only types that would invest in his idea of the game are the sort of folk that have absolutely no idea what it takes to build a competitive outfit in 2020.
I wonder what he thinks of the bust they want him to sit for? When you’re struggling to find relevance and your old club wants to immortalise you as countries do for their dead war heroes… I dunno, I’d find that weird. But hey, not a problem I am likely to face anytime soon.
… unless you want to whip together a little fund?
Sami Mokbel reckons Arsenal are going to do their biz early this summer, one of the players he mentions is Orkun Kökcü. He’s Turkish/Dutch, a midfielder, seems fairly versatile. He has a great range of passing from deep, he’s athletic, and he has deft skillz around the box. He’s very young though (19), so the Premier League would be a huge jump, but he certainly has a lot of sharp tools in his box (that doesn’t sound right).
Right, short one today… see you in the comments x
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“There are a few mental reports in the press that Arsenal were looking to bring Wenger back to the club to unite the fanbase”
Didn’t that rumour come from John Cross?
Pedro
From previous post.
You don’t think managers at the top level at measured on trophies?
Are you fucking serious?
Also Papa gueye has been linked
Mr. Wenger will be returning to AFC at some stage of that there is no doubt.
It what capacity- none of us can be sure.
But he will return.
After all, we are doing so bloody marvellous since he left.
And If we can get Rambo back too- then we will start looking like Arsenal again.
Marc,
I agree he needs to win a trophy but there’s no doubt he’s a good manager. To answer your question about who the “survey” would include, I would say 85% of Arsenal fans.
Marc, I don’t see Di Matteo in a job. I don’t see Ranieri at the top of the game. Does anyone care about Martinez’s FA Cup. Where is LVG?
Pochettino is an elite manager, it’s not in question, no one that approaches him this summer will say:
‘Hey, let’s talk about trophies’
… because that’d be amateur hour.
There is so much more to hiring the right manager than their trophy haul. Particularly in leagues that are dominated by clubs with unfair resources.
I think this summer Pochettino takes the Man Utd job, with Solskjaer moving ‘upstairs’ in a similar role to Edu at Arsenal.
While this would be bad for us in terms of United stepping up a gear, it would be fascinating to see how it unfolds as a whole.
Chris, what would be dangerous is if United put an elite level tech director in charge with Poch.
That’s a problem.
Can’t see Raul and the gang wanting Wenger poking his nose into their business
Pedro
The Poooooooooch might not need “won a trophy” on his CV to get a new job at a top club but he’ll need to win one to keep it.
“Does anyone care about Martinez’s FA Cup” Well it seems to have had an influence on the Belgium FA.
PedRo
“””Pochettino is an elite manager”””
Not quite sure ‘elite’ is the word .
Poch is a very good manager but he cant be elite.
Elite managers win the trophies.
Klopp
Pep
Wenger
Jose
Ancelotti
Fergie
Lippi.
They are the Eilte ones.
(Poch could still yet become eilte though.)
Pedro I think should Pochettino go to United that would likely happen eventually. It is a delicate situation for that club with Solskjaer. A club doesn’t often simply dismiss its legends entirely or easily. (Perhaps Liverpool did with Dalglish in 2012). United would have to find a way to ease him into something else and likely keep another seat warm for that elite DOF. With all that’s been happening with Woodward, it’s pretty much a guarantee that the club have been thinking about it. The idea of Pochettino going there supported initially by Solskjaer is an easy scenario to imagine.… Read more »
Hillwood
“”Can’t see Raul and the gang wanting Wenger poking his nose into their business””:
Undoubtedly true.
And I doubt Wenger will have nothing to do with the club until the rasping , greedy fat spiv has been dismissed.
Which I predict- will be sooner rather than later.
DNA
“To answer your question about who the “survey” would include, I would say 85% of Arsenal fans.”
I really need to start being clearer with you. When I asked who the survey would include I meant how do you / what do you classify as an Arsenal fan?
There are a few mental reports in the press that Arsenal were looking to bring Wenger back to the club to unite the fanbase. I honestly couldn’t think of a crazier sentence to write down on paper.
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This
So Ramsey getting a bosman move to Juve wasn’t the rubber stamp to the claims of him being among the best in class? I’m shocked.
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Poch still getting dismissed on trophy count alone? Cmon people, I’m cringing reading that. He’s a brilliant manager.
Similar levels to chat about Pep being a fraud when Poch is dismissed over his trophies at Spurs.
If solskjaer is sacked, don’t see him being moved upstairs.
So pedro, you will see a new director with Pochetino.
United team is athletic and that is the most important thing for a coach like pochetino.
Arteta has a bigger pbm because it’s the immobility of our midfielders especially that cannot be solved with tactics.
Pochetino will make United competitive again.
Even if we challenge for top 4, don’t see us finishing higher than 6th because of the squads of other teams and what they might add in the summer, with Chelsea coming out of a transfer ban.
with Solskjaer moving ‘upstairs’ in a similar role to Edu at Arsenal.”
Ole is fucking clueless – he has no business operting at a technical level in any capacity.
Utd will probably sneer someone from Soton or Leicetser.
*Snare
CG
No problem with sacking a greedy fat Spanish spiv
I have a problem with him being replaced with a greedy skinny French spiv
I cringe when I hear people debate on the best being the ones with trophies. Poch is a good coach whether with trophies or not (but at he needs one). This same argument goes to players. Some on here measure a players quality based on the club he plays for or number of appearances he’s made.
Speaking about Emery’s reign, Leno said: “The mentality out on the pitch, I don’t want to say it was a mess, but it was a bit confusing. “Everyone was doing different things. “We were not a team. Not in the dressing room, not on the pitch and you could see that. The decision to bring in Arteta has been a positive for the players and Leno admits there is a massive difference. He added: “I think with Mikel it changed completely, you can see.” If you keep aside the hyperbole “massive”, it does highlight that players were confused about what… Read more »
Poch is the Argentine Eddie Howe
Im telling you this for free!
‘Mr. Wenger will be returning to AFC at some stage of that there is no doubt.’
I got no problem seeing Wenger’s ashes scattered on the Emirates turf
Pedro
Emery had a few trophies in his cupboard. Surprised you missed that.
Tony, I did see that, case in point. Further analysis would have told a decent Tech Director that he was shite. Bad communicator, zero English, can’t build a defence, and overly cautious with dull tactics.
Hire managers with trophy blinkers, you’re in trouble. Look for where the game is going, not where it’s been.
Pedro
Can’t argue with that.
Pedro, “Further analysis would have told a decent Tech Director that he was shite. Bad communicator, zero English, can’t build a defence, and overly cautious with dull tactics” Emery wasn’t getting the required result at the start of his second season and was rightly replaced. He’s far from whatever “shit” you’re labeling him. He managed some respectable Club in Europe and he was hired based on past accomplishment. It’s sad seeing people trying to tear a man down who works hard and actually have a coaching career, while campaigning for another because he was sitting beside X, Y, or Z… Read more »
Gunner, spent 200m and left us in 10th.
Not Arsenal level.
Not sure why we are talking Emery again.
Oh, yes, Poch is elite levels. He’ll find a great club, just hope it isn’t United.
City would be better, I think he’d struggle there
Poch + campos is at United would be sickening.
Marvanoupous has two in two man of the match awards.
Will he be given the chance here.
Pedro,
Emery wasn’t in charge of transfers, we all knew that. It was also reported by the same Journalist that you’re using to justify MA sauciness that he wanted Zaha and Steven Nzonzi and he got LT and Pepe. It was also said that any other coach could come and get results and since Emery left, the improvements are minimal. It’s all just capping and basically trying to force people to believe like we’re Jehovah Witnesses. Emery failed but he’s far from the “shit” you’re labeling him!
It’s sad seeing you labeling a manger who wins a European Competition shit while the manager we hired can’t even get us the required points to challenge to be in the competition. 🤦🏽♂️
Pedro quote “There is so much more to hiring the right manager than their trophy haul. Particularly in leagues that are dominated by clubs with unfair resources.” I don’t remember Arsene getting this type of credit from 2005-2014 Arsene was pulling up trees during the early years of the stadium move, as United, Chelsea and later City were splashing the cash, and many others also outspending us. Arsene selling off his assets year on year, but still delivering CL football, wasn’t considered good enough. But Poch doing the same is considered top class….. The Poisonous Le Grove, old rat face… Read more »
Rspc It’s in bundesliga 2 though, maybe that’s his level? Who knows, I had high hopes for him mostly based on the fact he has the physical attributes to be a good CB unlike everyone else we had at the time but he gets injured far too often and seems like he’s struggling at PL level. ESR also has 2 motm in the championship, his 2 latest games. Scored 1 and assisted 1 already for Huddersfield, already bettering Ozils output this season… Hope he can stay injury free and get plenty of experience now and take that step up next… Read more »
I will be quite surprised if Poch gets hired by major club and then goes onto win significant trophies.
Pedro is just gaslighting us when he says trophies don’t matter when judging top quality managers, of course they matter. Poch was failure at Spuds, he had top quality squad and couldn’t even win league cup, never mind anything else.
Poch did interview last season where he said he didn’t feel pressure to win trophies because Spuds don’t have tradition of winning things, that is not proper mindset for top tier coach.
Anyone who sincerely wishes for Wenger’s return, does not have the good of Arsenal Football Club at heart.
Just an opinion.
Rich
A great sob story.
So it’s Chelski’s, MC’s and MU’s fault that we failed to deliver and not the fact that we were unable to defend as a team, for well over a decade
Boohoo😢😢😢
Wenger is like all those old golfers at the Open walking down the 18th
to rapturous applause even though they have not won anything for the past
20 years living on past glories I find that very sad.
They just don’t want to let go.
Can Sheffield United really finish top 4?
What an amazing story that would be.
Rich/PedRo
“””There is so much more to hiring the right manager than their trophy haul. Particularly in leagues that are dominated by clubs with unfair resources.”
I don’t remember Arsene getting this type of credit from 2005-2014″”””
They were my exact thoughts too.
And yet Poch is Elite but Wenger Ain’t.
And Yet Wenger wins the trophies
And Poch dont.
Arsenal fans( bless them) are a strange bunch.
Gunner, are you Bamford? Emery was a good coach in his domestic league, a less good coach of a huge team on France and an indecisive and muddled coach with Arsenal. This deteriorated at the end of last season and throughout this season as pretty catastrophic. The stats prove this, but watching games and seeing g players and team spirit disintegrate was awful. Watching Arsenal was a chore and didn’t help anyone’s wellbeing, other than opposition fans who found our coach hysterical. All this means that Emery was shite FOR US. Maybe he could be reunited with Monchi, who similarly… Read more »
CG
They certainly are.
Dele Alli once again proving that he’s a silly little boy.
Big Dave,
“Gunner, are you Bamford”
So if I’m no labeling a manager who works at Arsenal, PSG, Sevilla and Valencia “shit” I’m Bamford. Dude I won’t even entertain you!
CG, I agree with you to an extent. Wenger was a brilliant and innovative coach in his first 9 years or so. He was helped by the generally terrible fitness levels and awful lifestyles of footballers in England. When he came here he introduced modern methods alongside his management skills and encyclopaedic knowledge of footballers. He unearthed world class gems. Then he became complacent which turned inexorably towards arrogance. Worse still, he worked in a closed system so he wasn’t open to dissenting voices. This resulted I him doing the same thing and not evolving whilst others surged ahead eg… Read more »
“”” It’s sad seeing you labeling a manger who wins a European Competition shit while the manager we hired can’t even get us the required points to challenge to be in the competition.”””” It’s sad reading this comment when you know full well that arteta has been in charge for 7 games and you haven’t given him the chance of a preseason , a summer tfer window and a 200 mil spend before you compare him to emery who gave us our worse start in 37 years this season after 18 months in charge and after receiving all of the… Read more »
Emery didn’t spend £200 million. He was given new players with a high value, which is exactly what Arteta has been given.
Emery had to go and I want Arteta to be a success but the double standards on here are ridiculous.
How much did emery spend ?
I hope the FA take the same action against Dele Alli for what he’s done as they’d take against a white player saying something similar about a black person.
Edu
Not a penny. The club on the other hand spent a lot of money, Emery had limited influence on who we bought.
“Emery wasn’t getting the required result at the start of his second season and was rightly replaced. He’s far from whatever “shit” you’re labeling him.“
Didn’t get the required results in the end of his first season either. So his “desired results” spanned about 3 months, cool.
He was shit here, end of story. We’ve thankfully moved on, not sure why he’s deserving of the soft touch commentary about his tenure here, he earned 12 mil after dropping us to the lowest ebb in 50 years.
Please stop marvelling at his Europa league success with Sevilla, totally irrelevant to us.
How’s Marco Rose faring in the Bundesliga. Need some updates and what’s Gladbach’s position now?
Ok Marc
Not gonna get drawn into this one
Some posters still talking Emery and Wenger. Wow.
Marc, Emery was chasing Banega, Nzonzi and when he finally jumped on a target post Sven he shit the bed with Suarez.
‘He wasn’t involved’ is a bit of a stretch as well. Plenty of on the record stuff about how they approached transfers
To Pie’a point, crazy we are still going over how badly our disaster hire was… CG still crying over Wenger.
Move on, Brexit means Brexit
Pedro
I’ll rephrase the players we signed weren’t his preference.
Champagne charlie
“He was shit here, end of story. We’ve thankfully moved on, not sure why he’s deserving of the soft touch commentary about his tenure here, he earned 12 mil after dropping us to the lowest ebb in 50 years.”
106 years since we last won only 6 games in a league season…lol
Only arsenal fans hyped Ramsey because he was part of our scarce waning resources. He is a good player but was never elite or even consistently good to warrant such attention from the media. He looked good being compared with the rest of our midfielders but I thought he was going to struggle at juve competing with Pjanic, Matuidi, Bentancur, Dybala, and Rabiot. And now there is news about juve selling him. Anyway I would love an investment at CB, CAM, and CM. If we are looking for low investments 8 would rather we look at buendia. Creative, Dribbler and… Read more »
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Cheers freddie
Ramsey !!! Really he such a wasn’t a very good footballer,, lucky to be around great players in his earlier Arsenal days, after they moved on he looked better than the rest and those who were brought in an attempt to replace those great players, another was Theo, absolutely average, at best they were the home grown players to make up squad numbers.
Z-L-A-T-A-N
What a freaking freak show of a man.
He would still score for fun in the premier league if he got a chance.
Zlatan still providing the X Factor at 38. Dude is a beast.
Pedro
Emery “chased” players like Nzonzi and Banega however he wasn’t vested with the authority to bring them in.
You weren’t objective about the club when Emery was around. Yoru anger got the better of you. You knew perfectly well that the manager [Emery and Arteta] outline their needs and the technical director gets the players. the manager has a say, doesn’t get their ways for the most part.
We need an oldie like Zlatan to help the young manager.
A player that takes control on the field.
Some Arsenal fans hyped Ramsey, some hated him – 1 goal , no assists in 569 min Seria A play.
Some Arsenal fans hyped Ozil , some hated him – no goals , 1 assist in 1,188 min PL play.
Some Arsenal fans hyped Iwobi , some hated him- 1 goal , no assists in 1,109 min PL play.
No one hyped Mkhitaryan though and seemingly everyone was happy to see him leave, including Mkhi – 4 goals 1 assist in 541 min of Serie A play.
Food for thought
Tom
Roma fans are disappointed with Mkhitaryan as he’s be injured for a significant period of the season. Was it a one yr loan? Won’t be surprised if he’s back in the summer.
What a derby. Serie A is definitely back as a league to watch
Dissenter, I was the most objective one. Hence the outcome. You can’t argue that now. What I said at the start happened. He was a bum. We move on.
Tom, that is interesting. Hope Roma take him this summer.
Kay, not sure why you can’t use the Google… but Marco Rose’s BM are sitting 4th, 4 points off top, with a game in hand against Koln.
Can we stop talking and comparing about emery…
Him gone .
Amen RSPC. It’s like getting caught cheating and having to consistently justify yourself… except you didn’t cheat, it’s the person that cheated moaning at you for catching them.
Ismael Bennacer has turned into a really good CM. But Ac Milan are lacking in ruthlessness. 3-2 after two goals down is a little embarrassing in a derby.
I’m hoping that 5he manager is using these 5 months as a gauge for a crack next season.
Hope he knows what he’s gonna do.
Pedro is such a bully. Lol
I’m personally looking forward to the summer before I give a verdict re Arteta and the supposed better back room. This season is a write off to me.
Also I’d rather we finish 7-10 than do the whole Europa thing again.
Hopefully we go on to win it this season.
When will Sam greenwood be ready for the first team?
Will he leap frog over Eddie, John jules for a start maybe next season .?
Silver, worked for Klopp… no Europa would be great… but, we’re not as well run as Liverpool and that’d hit our summer for sure.
Can anyone tell me why Frank kessie is rated so highly? Hasn’t got a lot in his locker.
Silver
As much as I want no Europe next season…
Nicking the last space via winning Europa would taste good.
The team at the top of the table is leading us with 42 points after 25 games(sounds more like fiction than fact)and we are 7 points above relegation places.
Aren’t we doing so great post Wenger?
So yeah continue with the Wenger jokes, it makes you look great.
Habesha Gooner
He’s got a big engine. CM who plays who plays behind the ball. The type Palace/Watford/West Ham sign to fit their 442.
Ramsey’s injury prone. Also, he’s not a Sarri type CM. Grealish going for 60-70m?
Likely off the list then. Wonder if someone like Buendia will be on the list.
3-4 times the wages and deal can be done.
Gentlebris, I think Wenger might be very much a part of that decline, hence the reason the best job offer he can get is Rennes.
CC,
“he earned 12 mil after dropping us to the lowest ebb in 50 years. Please stop marvelling at his Europa league success with Sevilla, totally irrelevant to us”
It’s irrelevant to you and there’s a reason why your opinion was needed when Arsenal made the decision to hire him. He was hired to get us in the EL because of his experience in winning the competition. But here you’re in 2020 trying to bully grown ass men to believe in whatever sauce you see in another dude who’s doing OJT.
What a Milan derby.
GunnerDNA, we didn’t hire someone to win us the Europa League. Raul went on record and negatively pointed out that the comp was his comfort blanket. We hired someone to get us back into the top 4. He failed. Started well, then when he’s terrible ideas setttled, we were a fucking mess. I don’t need to argue the sauce now, Emery didn’t have it and he was bullied out by the players. Now we have Arteta, who is making a great impression. This is Leno today. “He has, in this short time made a big impact,” Leno told reporters. “You… Read more »
GunnerDNA
Yes, here I am bullying you by stating Emery didn’t finish his first season with us well and thankfully he was replaced.
What an embarrassing comment, smells a lot like Banford with that level of nonsense.
Pedro, What I noticed every time someone pointed out basic facts, you copy and paste someone’s opinion to justify something. I care zero what any of these Arsenal players say, they aren’t good enough. I already pointed out MA will be given the same support I gave UE because he’s the manager of Arsenal. I have no agenda so I’m always gon be honest. CC, Continue with your Bamford obsession. What I noticed is since Twitter and IG, the oldest Arsenal fans like to start beef on the internet with people they will never meet in their life time, trying… Read more »
CC, I could kind of understand people like CG crying over Wenger still, there’s an affection there that he built over 22 years… but this crying over Emery is really weird. He gave us literally nothing, he wasn’t likeable and he tanked us.