So what’s this… the Patron Saint of Positivity is… me?
It appears so. My role in the community is clear, I am here to make you feel better, to guide you toward the light, to set you on the path of righteousness.
Today, we’re talking about Arsenal.
Some of the commentary post-Burnley has been fucking hysterical. Pull yourselves together comrades. Burnley beat Brendan Rodgers Leicester and took down Manchester United at Old Trafford. Beating them away from home would have been lovely, but it was a tough game and it didn’t end in a pleasing fashion.
These games will happen. The club is being dragged into the future after years in the darkness. That isn’t going to happen in 6 weeks I’m afraid, if you thought it would, that’s on you.
Let’s just remind ourselves of what was going on.
The team stopped running.
Our captain had told the fans to fuck off
Mesut Özil was ostracized, then brought back
We had the worst start in 38 years
We couldn’t defend
We couldn’t attack
Where are we now?
We’re competing in every game. You might not have liked what you saw at Burnley, but we didn’t stop fighting. We dominated the opening 30 minutes, it swung back to Burnley, then we took back control of the last 20 minutes. That’s battling spirit, something we’ve lacked.
The team is working harder than ever. The effort is impacting our second-half performances, but we’ve seen a sustained work rate in games. We press in a structured manner and it’s paying dividends.
We are hard to beat. Yes, we’re not winning games we’d like to be, but we’re also not losing. Pep-ball wasn’t built in a day. The manager has had to make tough decisions, and he seems to have put his first batch of chips on making us more solid defensively. It’s working, we’re far more solid than we’ve been in years. If Allegri had come in, what do you think he’d have done? Arsenal fans have literally begged for someone to pay attention to defensive structure, now it’s happening.
The most pointed criticism has been that our attacking flair has taken a hit. I can’t argue that, but logic would say that strikers that had an outrageous conversion rate last season would help us nick games by a goal. It hasn’t happened. Confidence is very, very low. Mesut hasn’t been using the new space he’s been given and players like Lacazette are living in hell. We have to be realistic, you can’t fix everything at the same time, it’s a process, phase one has been to make us tougher to beat, it’s working, now the manager has to work on phase two.
I think that’ll become far easier when we get a full set of players to choose from. Our defensive options have been bleak, get some pace an power back in the side and things will start to look up.
Another criticism leveled at the manager has centered around him not selling the entire squad in January. Again, this sounds great when you’re thumping the table, but when you think about it, it’s beyond dim.
Clubs don’t do the bulk of their business in January because the only deals to be had are generally quite grim unless you have £100m kicking around. We don’t. Ripping out all of our experience, bringing in 5 players, and hoping it’d work under a new manager would have been a ridiculous ploy.
Edu and Raul, I suspect, are banking on a few things.
1. That Arteta can study the squad and make an assessment of the talent available at the club. Which senior players can be saved, which kids are good enough, and where the gaps are.
2. That Arteta can coach like he did at Manchester City. Arsenal are only as good as the money they spend this summer. If we have no one to sell, we are going to be painfully limited in who we can buy. I think the reliance on senior players is to pump the value of names we’d have struggled to move on in January. If Mustafi plays the rest of the season like he did yesterday, he’ll get a big move this summer. Xhaka is already worth more than the £24m that was offered. Mesut Ozil might show he’s worth a move. Auba will command big money, so could Lacazette and Matteo. How much more do you think Lucas Torreira is worth now? If you bump your sales from £50m to £100m, that gives you a lot more options. So, as much as you hate it, there’s clearly a rationale as to why we’re reviving careers… it’s the long game. So stop getting so irate at the lack of public executions.
3. The good coaching will act as a calling card. The best players want to improve. If there’s someone at Arsenal that can elevate players talents, that makes you a viable option for more names. I think these turnaround projects show that Mikel is more than just the backroom guy at City who put out the cones. If the backend of this season sees better results and more consistency, that will act as a calling card in the same way the Dortmund project does.
We still have to hope that Edu and his scouting machine is a little more attuned to the market than some of these drab names that are being floated our way by agents like Kia, but at the end of the day, if Raul blows another summer, his job will start to look precarious. Fans won’t tolerate another steady drip of average players with pumped fees. Nor will the Kroenke’s.
Right, that’s me done for today, I’ll be recording a podcast tomorrow when I’m back in New York. xx
DM
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Cba to wait
Sell them all I say. especially the turds in midfield. Xhaka and…Ozil
Tr4phy
I hear the sound of the ill informed running towards Le Grove to wave Arteta Out banners. Six weeks into job that many described as exceptionally difficult are now calling time on Arteta. Embarrassing. I hear Bamford is joining in, but now saying he never rated Emery. I kid you not. Too many people changing their positions constantly when caught out but trying to act the big man. Or in Bamford’s case the Big Susan. Keep the faith and try to understand Pedro’s analysis. Don’t turn into a Bapple. Your friends and family won’t ever forgive you. You know it… Read more »
If a job is exceptionally difficult. Then why hire a novice…..in which other walk of life would that make sense.?. But now we have to have faith. Arteta knows, eh?
Eddie you need to let go. The diaper wearing fantasist has gone. He ain’t coming back, unless a couple of suspiciously new posters here are Susan in disguise.
Mikel fucked up yesterday. No need to dress it up, Pedro. Not a huge deal. He’s human.
Some on here are ready to twist the knife because MA isn’t the perfect manager.
I think we’re all upset because yesterday seemed like a proper backwards step, and some of the issues seemed so blatantly obvious that it was hard to fathom how Arteta didn’t try to put them right. I don’t understand why we were so desperate to accommodate a very out-of-form Lacazette that we sacrificed Martinelli (played out-of-position and it did nothing for him), Pepe (may not be on fire but a much better option than what we had yesterday), and to a lesser-extent Auba, whom I’m sure would be a much better option up top than on the wing, even though… Read more »
Pedro
Thank you for this lovely post. I honestly honestly hope you are right .
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On another note Bellerin is not playing like the one before his injury . Lets hope he regains that form . He wasnt even crossing in the box .
“Pep-ball wasn’t built in a day.“
You tell people to get a grip and then you drop that snort of pepper, as though you view Arteta as the second coming of Pep? Arteta is a novice coach who mentored under one of the best Managers in football, but he’s not Pep and he’s not accomplished anything to date – all things being kept in perspective.
Arteta needs time and some good bounces, he will get there but hows about you dial down the admiration part a bit, he’s accomplished nothing to this point.
From last Our performance dropped off once Saka was injured we had no outlet and moving Xhaka from the CM left us with much less control but we still had the best 3 chances in the game, sitters in fact. Burnley had one that they should have scored with. the rest of the game they were just pumping hopeful crosses in a playing percentages. Our defence was solid and wasn’t bullied at all. People wondering why the 3″4 Torreira didnt start against a team that specialise in aerial bombardment.The comment about the grass wasn’t even an excuse to why we… Read more »
Not a good performance at all but the hysteria on here is a sight to behold.And grasping on to current league position as something to beat the new manager of 5 weeks with? Hahaha ok then.
Most people can see what a difference he’s made, let’s see what we look like after a summer window and a full pre season.
Made the squad. Still, that isn’t hard to do nowadays!
Ernest, I won’t dial down anything. Can’t let hysterical people with axes to grind dominate the narrative with nonsense arguments.
“I think we’re all upset because yesterday seemed like a proper backwards step”
Or maybe we aren’t giving Burnley enough credit? They have been playing some good football of late.
Also Arteta said we were going to use Saka to exploit Burnley’s right hand side and once he went off our gameplan was fucked with no suitable LB on the bench.
Gabby was on the right to combat Taylor and O Neil down their left, he was the logical choice due to his workrate and energy.
Pedro “if Raul blows another summer” Which summer did he blow before? The one where we got Pepe, Martinelli, Saliba and Tierney? All long term starters for us, that’s 4 positions we don’t have to worry about anytime soon. Luiz is our best CB atm and our most creative player since we don’t have anyone in midfield with a pulse. With the budget we had last summer that was akin to a miracle he pulled. Sure, we’re not seeing the results of the recruitment yet for various reasons but he didn’t blow the window, far from it. It can be… Read more »
Im on board with Arteta, Pedro. Give him time to define his vision and approach. Time.
Ernest, absolutely.
I thought Guendouzi had a nightmare. Several times his errant easy passes across the field gave the ball straight back to Burnley, increasing the pressure on the defense.
I don’t know why he was given that job unless it was because Xhaka was playing left back. But Arteta really needs to work on this.
This is definitely for Freddie
‘Another criticism leveled at the manager has centered around him not selling the entire squad in January. Again, this sounds great when you’re thumping the table, but when you think about it, it’s beyond dim.’
Freddie Dim Ljungberg
Lego brain aka banner mcbanface
Yeah, would have been a disaster selling xhaka and Mustafi and upgrading. Plonker.
We should have shipped Ozil to Qatar on the last day too just to save his wages, he gives us absolutely nothing.
If all we require of our Cam is to recycle the ball and keep possession we could have brought back Elneny.
Stick to the racism and insults aubergine, you’re clueless about this whole football thing.
Also, Arteta doesn’t sell or buy anyone by himself. It’s not his job.
It is worrying though that he convinced a player not suited to the league to stay when he finally was on his way.
I’m fully behind Arteta anyway, he’ll get time from me to prove himself, or not. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to say something when he fucks up, I’m not a cult member like some on here.
The lineup and subs yesterday was terrible, that’s just how it is.
“I am here to make you feel better”
You failed, so far.
(give a kiss to Mikel from me, thanks)
“Lego brain aka banner mcbanface”
lol
Sigh.. where do i even begin smh
From the previous post where a twitter post of Gambons was used to predictably throw shade at a section of posters on here that touted Emery a cooked goose early on. “TheMightyGambon from twitter See a lot of talk about how Arteta is fixing the defence as a main priority. Dont buy that at all. In his 7 games our average xGA is 1.5, for Emerys last 7 games its 1.42 Receding Hairline: “Gambon can be a lot of things but one thing he isn’t is a hypocrite xG and xGA died a painful death on here but not for… Read more »
Everybody who doesnt see Artetas genius has an axe to grind whereas Pedro was simmering throughout Emery`s 18 months . . Lets judge him in May Ok. then in 2022….
Ok. Let’s start with this
https://twitter.com/TheMightyGambon/status/1224351603513348098?s=19
That link represents the form table i encouraged all of you to take a look at last night.
The arguments about Burnley being a good side are fine. Same can be said for Crystal Palace and Sheffield United. There aren’t too many truly bad teams in the prem these days, but picking up 4 points from these 3 matches and the Bournemouth one is rather atrocious.
I’m seeing the same positives but from a results perspective, it’s still very poor. For this reason, I don’t see how you can rate the new manager’s start more than a 5/10.
Pedro/Ernest – what would you give him as a rating thus far?
Pedro
I agree Arteta needs time but to just disregard result for “whatever progress” your alluding to is a dangerous game going into next season. With social media, if the results don’t improve and the basic mistakes not corrected, MA might be in trouble.
Freddie you stick to the fantasy world you live in as it seems you’re clueless about how the real world and football actually works. Ozil with no replacement? Good work wish you worked at The Arsenal Selling Xhaka and Mustafi with no guarantee of the upgrades actually being upgrades. Wow you’re special needs alright when we’re loaning players and not buying outright. Hello budget, this is Freddie, he’s a clueless cunt and would like to meet you and find out what you do in the real world. Freddie thinks your like Santa and dont exist. He’s an idiot. Don’t be… Read more »
Let me preface my opinion on Arteta by stating. Some of us never wanted him in the first place. Like Peds didn’t want emery. So for many of us it’s not flipping or flopping or axe grinding or agenda driving. If you didn’t think the guy was qualified in the first place, how can we be accused of those things?
So at this point we have two things ehich divide us. Data & opinions.
Great Post Pedro
I am liking the positivity.
Arteta needs time to impose his ideas onto the team and if the players don’t deliver then I am confident they will be gone next season.
AndI’m fully behind Arteta anyway, he’ll get time from me to prove himself, or not. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to say something when he fucks up, I’m not a cult member like some on here.
Well said Freddie
“but at the end of the day, if Raul blows another summer, his job will start to look precarious”
Another summer?
“+What none of the above tells you is one manager was 12 months into a job, and had two summers to nip and tuck the staff he had at his disposal. Whilst the other manager arrived a couple of days before Christmas Day and had to pick up the pieces and work on the fly.” CC This the problem. When Pedro brought out xG and xGA last season, he didn’t remember that Wenger had spent 20 years building his team why Emery was new to the league and learning a new language. When Emery was winning Pedro complained about the… Read more »
Lego brain Do you actually think Ozil is irreplaceable in this team, the Cam with 0 goals and 1 assist all season? Clueless We already have Mustafis replacement in Mari. Xhaka hasn’t cost us any goals lately but his immobility still costs us, why do you think we’re creating less chances than before? The gap between midfield and attack is too big and neither Ozil nor Xhaka has the legs to cover that much space. Having to shunt your CM to left back so he has time on the ball isn’t a long term strategy for success, it leaves us… Read more »
“AndI’m fully behind Arteta”
lol drives safety.
Fear not.
“It was the grass”.
I’m totally convinced.🍌🍌🍌
A touch late with the match reportage this morning, I was taking in Europe trouncing USA USA USA. What a great win for those boys. Onto the game. The familiar slow start under Emery came into sharp focus again yesterday. The manager rolled with players in unfamiliar positions again, and the team really struggled. Watford came to bully and they did a very solid job. They pressed aggressively, they counterpunched and I think it’s fair to say they caused some panic in the first half. Petr Cech had to make some sharp saves and some brave interceptions before he was… Read more »
1. Playing the Emery card everytime Thee Saucy one is critisized will griw old just like the wenger card when Emery was critised.
2. The criticism is not just for the Burnley game, its a build up of shortcomings
Im telling you for free!
I agree that some on here hold perfectly valid views that they are perfectly entitled to voice. Unfortunately, there is no viable data driven argument to call time on Arteta. The datasets used are far too limited. Also, as CC states, any interpretation of data would need to factor in the effects of having an unusual number of matches in a short period of time, no pre-season, no transfer input, no time for communicating his message beyond key points. It also ignores the key dissatisfaction across the club with Emery’s tenure and the total absence of a playing style or… Read more »
That was Pedro’s post after Emery’s 7th league game. Some points to note “When you have players learning new positions and new systems at the same time, you end up with a big sludge of grey. We only managed 2 shots on target all game. That’s really not good enough, especially in a game that Watford came to play in.” Finally, a word to Ramsey who was pissed at being subbed off with 30mins to play. Good. You’ve been shite all season. Now it’s clear he’s not committed, I hope the club try and force him out in January. I’ve… Read more »
Azed
The numbers do support it. It’s been claimed the improvement in our defending is baseless by xGA, which is untrue if you read what I posted.
And the inception of both managers is entirely different, do you genuinely want to pass off a pre-season plus summer transfers as the same preparation as a pre-Christmas training session and 3 games in 5 days?
I stand to be corrected if am wrong but I think a while back Pedro was the one saying if you don’t win games players start losing faith in your methods(or something along the lines)and this is a results business.We really need to start putting wins on the board because if we reach 10/12 games and Mikel is still drawing it will start to look bad and the knives will be out.1 win in 10/12 league matches will look really bad however people want to frame it.We haven’t even faced Liverpool and city yet and we will get nothing from… Read more »
“And the inception of both managers is entirely different, do you genuinely want to pass off a pre-season plus summer transfers as the same preparation as a pre-Christmas training session and 3 games in 5 days?”
Arteta played in England, was an assistant coach for two years in the league, already fluent in the language plus knows Arsenal very well.
I’ll say Arteta already had a big advantage over Emery.
“Pedro/Ernest – what would you give him as a rating thus far?”
Too early to rate Arteta. This much i will say, he has absolutely changed the overall attitude of the club and that bodes well. The area of greatest challenge for him, as i see it, is trying to curtail the self-discipline issues that permeate some. There’s always boneheaded move in this squad and it usually results in lost points. Arteta has his work cut out for him, this is not an easy bunch.
Azed A big advantage over a guy that had pre-season and a summer transfer budget? Can’t take you seriously with talk like that. Arteta has clear suitabilities over Emery (hence him being a better choice), but to write-off time with the group to develop and integrate ideas because he knows English is fucking daft. Some things simply do not materialise without reps. Anyone that’s played a sport, or excelled at a physical discipline, knows this is a basic law. I don’t care how good the ideas or the intentions are, without time spent applying them they’re not going to be… Read more »
“And the inception of both managers is entirely different, do you genuinely want to pass off a pre-season plus summer transfers as the same preparation as a pre-Christmas training session and 3 games in 5 days?
2 words CARLO ANCELLOTI
Im telling you this for free!
Bill and others I don’t see anybody “calling time on Arteta.” We had some very winnable games in his first 7 and we aren’t getting wins. It’s frustrating. At what point does it go from looking like a bright start with awesome noticeable changes in performance, to a mediocre start, to “oh shit.” What if we draw Newcastle at home (currently above us in the table, so get your “it won’t be an easy game” lines ready)? Then it’s Everton, are we going to drop points there as well? Then it’s city… you see where I’m going here? Failing to… Read more »
Freddie ‘Do you actually think Ozil is irreplaceable in this team, the Cam with 0 goals and 1 assist all season? Clueless’ The fact that you think you can boil a players contribution down to just goals and assists show how limited you view football and the more nuanced contributions of players, is clueless. No one said he was irreplaceable, you wanted to sell without having a replacement, that’s clueless. ‘Xhaka hasn’t cost us any goals lately but his immobility still costs us, why do you think we’re creating less chances than before? The gap between midfield and attack is… Read more »
CC
No matter how smart you are, if you can’t speak the language of the locals you will not go very far.
Arteta had far more knowledge about Arsenal than Emery
Arteta had far more knowledge about the EPL than Emery
You cannot know about the EPL from training session and knowing your opponent is already half the battle.
Arteta knew about Burnley and the long grass before he came Arsenal’s manager, Emery did not.
There’s no opponent Arteta will face with Arsenal in the league that he doesn’t know about either as a player as a coach…
2 words CARLO ANCELLOTI
Im telling you this for free!
Lol!!
Azed defending the indefensible again I see
Emery had 2 full preseasons more than Arteta to implement ideas .
Emery had 2 summer transfer windows more than Arteta to get the players to fit his ‘plan’
But Arteta had more of an advantage because he had 3 sessions before the Xmas period, speaks english and knows about Burnley’s long grass.
Go have a lie down trying to defend that ffs.
Azed Having any of the knowledge you’re talking about matters not one iota when it comes to implementing your own views on how YOUR side is going to play. Arteta is doing this on the fly and trying to teach and cajole players between rest days and injury maintenance. The game is won and lost at the very elite by minor actions done on autopilot, yet there’s been nowhere near enough time for Arteta to ingrain his methods on any meaningful level. I’m talking to the point each player knows his role and has a picture of the side in… Read more »
“Emery had 2 summer transfer windows more than Arteta to get the players to fit his ‘plan’”
If Emery had his way, we would have Zaha instead of Pepe and Nzonzi instead of Torriera.
Try again.
CC
Nicely articulated.
Lego cunt “The fact that you think you can boil a players contribution down to just goals and assists show how limited you view football and the more nuanced contributions of players, is clueless.” He’s our Cam, He’s on 350k a week, crippling our budget. He’s paid that to run our attacking game. What else is it he does? I’m not counting fortnite here. Recycles the ball? Wow, impressive. He doesn’t need replacing because he gives us nothing, better to save the 9m and play Ceballos and Willock. “The fact you can’t see that this makes space for other players… Read more »
Azed
He still got a winger and a DM.
“Having any of the knowledge you’re talking about matters not one iota when it comes to implementing your own views on how YOUR side is going to play.Arteta is doing this on the fly and trying to teach and cajole players between rest days and injury maintenance. The game is won and lost at the very elite by minor actions done on autopilot, yet there’s been nowhere near enough time for Arteta to ingrain his methods on any meaningful level.”
CC
Like Sid said for free,
Carlo ANCELLOTI
“He still got a winger and a DM.”
They are still available to Arteta aren’t they?
Bill
“So, there are no reliable datasets that can used against Arteta although we can acknowledge that there are some early possible concerns.”
Yes, no data to crucify him
Also no data to support the wild adulation that he gets from some.
He a blank slate or a statistical black hole.
He is basically using Arsenal FC to continue to learn his trade. Most of the tirade is just for Pedro tbh.
Arsenal made a large number of outgoing and incoming transfers last summer with a financial commitment of £130 million +. The club has also introduced this season 5 academy players in Saka, Nelson,Willock,Smith-Rowe and Nketiah. So with this level of turnover and a squad which is the youngest in the EPL it was inevitable that we were going to be in transition. There are of course a number of disappointments with far too many draws, conceding too many goals in first half of season and fire power well below expectation. The million dollar question is how will Messrs Arteta, Sanhelli… Read more »
Guys, stop the abuse or I will sin bin
“He doesn’t need replacing because he gives us nothing, better to save the 9m and play Ceballos and Willock.”
If Ozil gets a season-ending injury today, it wouldn’t change a damn thing. He has only one assist all season. He’s as effective as a screen door on a submarine
“That’s progress. The football might be confused. The defence might still be a mess. But the table doesn’t lie. We’re in the mixer”
Quote of 2020 so far.
Azed Fantastic, Ancelotti has recorded more points in a 7 game span. OGS the same when he took over at United. The whole premise reduces your argument to superficial nonsense in which case. We didn’t hire a guy to come in save the season like Jose, like Ancelotti, we hired a young manager to develop a new era with. I’m not about to stand arguing about that 7 games into his tenure after 6 weeks worth of work. The variables at other clubs, opponents they face etc is too vast to even bother unpacking. You’re waving an Emery banner because… Read more »
Hopefully, Arteta is a quick learner. That’ the hope I have .
Pep publicly stated that he still talks to Arteta frequently which is good, because he can do with some mentoring right now.
“If Ozil gets a season-ending injury today, it wouldn’t change a damn thing.”
Correct.
He’s already paid to do nothing.
“Yes, no data to crucify him Also no data to support the wild adulation that he gets from some. He a blank slate or a statistical black hole. He is basically using Arsenal FC to continue to learn his trade. Most of the tirade is just for Pedro tbh.” On point Dissenter. Last season after every game, Pedro would rollout the xG and xGA stats, since Arteta took over, xG and xGA have died(would probably be revived when it picks up) Last season, Pedro complained about how we were not creating enough chances and the blame fell on Emery but… Read more »
Arteta to Arsenal TV “‘it’s good to go away, the players have been through a lot. ‘The last two-three months have been tough for them so I want to give them a few days off. Then we’re going to go to Dubai, start working and focus on Newcastle. ‘We have to improve quality-wise. We’re very far in terms of what I want in sustaining attacks and being unpredictable in our play, but that’s a process. ‘In the next two weeks, we have longer periods for training and I’ll use them. We need some players back from injury and try our… Read more »
“Pep publicly stated that he still talks to Arteta frequently”
That’s a very thin kind of hope…
Arteta eyeing up “longer periods for training”, well I never.
@azed : if you really likes to come on Le Grove, stop right now before it’s too late.
Don’t mistake most of these posts as anti-Arteta, they are more to poke Pedro for his adulatory approach to the new manager and the over the top dismissal of the previous manager.
@Dissenter : exactly.
Honestly, I expected us to lose to Burnley…and we almost did.
They have been in a good vein of form recently. They rattled us and destroyed whatever was drilled from the practice pitches with their directness.
Azed, Is this about Arteta, or being upset you were wrong on Emery? If it’s about Mikel. Are we harder to beat? Yes Is there more structure on the pitch? Yes Is the defence improving despite being decimated? Yes Is the team pressing? Yes Can you see a vision emerging? Yes Emery was lucking out. No improvement on the pitch. No style. No structure. xG showed that and he never corrected. We can see what is going on with Arteta, and he’s done it in a short space of time, from the lowest ebb in 38 years, with a squad… Read more »
H&L, if you like Le Grove, maybe add a little more to the comments that teenage snark
Freddie you clueless cunt ‘The gap between midfield and attack is too big and neither Ozil nor Xhaka has the legs to cover that much space.’ ‘The gaps are smaller because our attackers have to do too much backtracking to cover for the vacuum that is our midfield, which leaves them further from what they should be doing.’ ‘Yes we are more compact, which is good for our defence, not so much attack wise, mainly because of the kind of players we have.’ You can just stop contradicting yourself if you like. Which is it too big or too small?… Read more »
“The whole premise reduces your argument to superficial nonsense in which case. We didn’t hire a guy to come in save the season like Jose, like Ancelotti, we hired a young manager to develop a new era with. I’m not about to stand arguing about that 7 games into his tenure after 6 weeks worth of work. The variables at other clubs, opponents they face etc is too vast to even bother unpacking.You’re waving an Emery banner because Arteta hasn’t returned a good enough points tally in 7 games. Nvm the recent history of the club that had Emery dropping… Read more »
Zfree, when did I say anyone was “calling time” on Arteta?
That’s terrible, I feel so offended.
“Is this about Arteta, or being upset you were wrong on Emery?”
Pedro
It’s not about Arteta or Emery, its about your double standards.
Gambon’s tweet suggested that our xGA is worse.. The moment Gambon tweeted that about Emery last season, you rolled with it.
“squad people like you said was in coachable.” Well, that still hasn’t been proven false so far. Nominal uptick in some of the uncoachables performances but not enough to actually help us get results yet. The players we spent 200m on are still available to Arteta, in most cases they are superior to the ageing players they replaced, at least in potential so most of those positions doesn’t have to be addressed again. Now we just need a couple of more top class additions compared to 18 months ago when almost the whole squad needed replacing, progress. Hopefully we do… Read more »
“You, Pedro and Pierre are the ones changing the goal post because you like Arteta.“ What goal posts are being changed? Specify. “Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you think(data doesn’t support your position) we are more defensively solid is because Arteta is more conservative than Emery?“ Data does support the pov we’re better defensively, our xGA is at a lower average under Arteta than Emery’s 13 games this season. That’s not including the heat maps and performance data that looks at structure on the pitch and average position of the XI. All of which has improved… Read more »
I would point out that Arsenal have played this season with 11 players aged 18-23
in their team and inevitably that lack of experience and maturity has cost us quite a few games.
Our last defeat and the only one since Arteta arrived was against Chelsea when we conceded two late goals. As many expressed at the time we ran out of steam in the second half of the game.
“Gambon’s tweet suggested that our xGA is worse.. The moment Gambon tweeted that about Emery last season, you rolled with it.“
I answered that tweet.
Why are you using a select 7 game sample from Emery and throwing out all relevant context?
Evening, I was willing to give Emery until the end of the season to see where we were, but it was pretty clear he had lost the players belief.And had to go. Arteta needs time and a settled side especially defensively. Xhaka, mustafi and ozil are not the answer and I can understand why he’s talking them up as he couldn’t get replacement players in this window. There’s been a marginally better improvement in defence. And we aren’t losing stupid goals. (Playing out from the back has to stop though, and that is artetas fault) Also substitutes were poor yesterday… Read more »
“And here’s where your agenda seeps in, now you’re attempting to chalk up Arteta as more conservative than Emery because in 7 games he hasn’t fixed a shit defence and improved our goal return. Reaching much?” CC The only agenda is from you and Pedro. Like I said earlier, Pedro complained about us not creating enough chances under Emery, now with a better coach, we are creating even less chances. Can you explain why? Pedro, Pierre and some others said just play Ozil behind the front three and watch our chances created increase…well Arteta is doing just that but the… Read more »
Lego brain Keep the insults coming, would love for you to get banned for the 7th time, or is it 8? I obviously meant the gap between our midfield and the opponents goal, Xhaka sitting deep so he won’t get overrun hardly helps us in attack does it? Ozil floating around keeping possession doesn’t do much for us either does it? 25% less chances created under Arteta. Do you think this is because we have suitable players in midfield that can give us both offensive and defensive contribution without blowing out of their arse? No, they can only give one… Read more »
“Why are you using a select 7 game sample from Emery and throwing out all relevant context?”
How many games of data does Arteta have?
Azed
I am not clear what exactly you are suggesting. We have not scored 5 goals this season in any EPL game.
Indeed we have struggled to score more than two goals throughout the season. That has been our problem before Arteta’s arrival, because there were games where even a two goal lead was not enough.
Bill
Sorry to lump you in there. Just reread your post where you used the wording “call time on Arteta” but that is not what you were saying in that sentence.
The fans will keep faith in arteta when things don’t go exactly how we want but we can see a clever logical thought process involved When we were beating Chelsea and got undone by the ref and a one off Leno gift I didn’t react because that was a proper shit happens game. Nothing he could’ve done about it But there’s not some clever logical process in our attacking play. It’s safe to say that 89th minute subs are a total waste of time for any team that’s chasing a result. You can try and rationalize everything that arteta does… Read more »
Azed Precisely. You’re expectant of all ills to be cured immediately which renders your input pretty farcical. Arteta has improved us defensively in a 7 game span, this has predictably dulled our attack somewhat and the question of balance is raised. That said, you’re not interested in acknowledging such and would rather chop up data in a laughably small sample to hit Pedro with some apparent gotcha moment. I gave you the raw xGA data earlier. Emery was 1.62 xGA for the season (13 games) Arteta is 1.5 xGA for the season (7 games) Even without context that’s a numerical… Read more »
At the end of the day Pedro if yesterday’s game had been run like for like but by emery you’d have been chomping at the bit to remind us how off the pace his management was
Don’t tell me everything arteta does is smart and just doesn’t work out sometimes when half of it is the same shit emery was doing!
“Having any of the knowledge you’re talking about matters not one iota when it comes to implementing your own views on how YOUR side is going to play.”
What exactly is our style of play under Arteta? Because i am yet to see a definite pattern of what we are trying to do. Having Xhaka tuck in or AMN tuck in to create more stability in midfield really isn’t enough to declare sauce.
We seem more concerned with not losing games than winning them under Arteta