Arsenal leadership keeping the powder dry

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Arsenal drop points. Fans get depressed. Everything is shit.

Not at Le Grove, where it’s sunshine and praise for our Dear Leader.

Just kidding, but not.

It’s amazing how quickly some fans fall back into misery and rant about their high expectations not being met.

This season was tanked by Unai Emery, 18 months in the making, the worst start in 38 years. 4 weeks ago, we were bemoaning uncoachable players, now people are angry we’re not destroying teams in every game.

Arteta was hired into a mess, that mess is not going to be solved by this current squad of players right now, but the manager is making solid inroads and we have to take the small positives that will come game to game. This is what happened with Liverpool when Klopp took over, huge highs, some miserable lows, but all levelled out because the scousers had a path that was clear.

Arsenal didn’t put on a great show against Crystal Palace, but there were positives none the less.

Defensive resilience is something we’ve been absolutely begging for, we’re already making inroads there. I’ve read numerous fans state that we folded yesterday, which is simply not the case. Our level dropped for sure, Palace came back into the game, no doubt. But we didn’t fold. In fact, we created far more in the second half than we did in the first half when we dominated (6 attempts to 1).

Also, it’s important to remember the state of their goal. A ricochet over the top of Bernd Leno. It was very lucky. That’s reflected in the xG for yesterday. Arsenal were 1.08, which is not bad for an away game against a tough team, Palace were 0.31. They came back into the game but had nothing to show for it.

If you want to go back to last season when we played them away and drew, Palace had an xG of 2.38. In the home leg, when we were still in the hunt for top 4, they beasted us and recorded an xG of 2.54.

Point here, xG is working in our favour, the goal was unlucky and the numbers point out that the bad luck was the narrative of the game. We didn’t give them much to work with yesterday, we were harder to attack, and we kept their best player quiet using a right-back that hates the position so much he forced a red card under Emery so he didn’t have to play there. We also dealt with a very average referee.

Factor in the side played a brutal game against Leeds in the week with a full stack of seniors, on top of the reality of our new far more intense training regime, and well, you get the picture, it wasn’t that bad a day in the office.

Things aren’t looking very exciting in the transfer window.

“At the moment there is nothing coming up. The club is working on a few things but you know how difficult this window is and I’m not expecting many things.”

Poor Mikel, used to double our normal transfer budget for squad filler in January, he’s now being faced down with real-world economics… if you don’t sell players, you can’t buy them.

It’s a tough scenario here because most of us would have had a few players in mind to shift on, but Mikel has other plans. My guess is the market isn’t flush with talent and he’s likely weighing the bother of bringing in names that either aren’t playing right now, or will have to spend 3 months adapting to a league that is way faster than any of the others. I also wonder if part of the ‘coach them out of mediocrity’ is a sales pitch for summer signings. I’d go to a club that could make Xhaka a functioning player in the Premier League, that’s miracles right there.

Arsenal are not really chasing anything, so working with what we have isn’t the worst idea. I’m not sure there are many instances where panic buys in January work out. I’d be quite happy to see what a fully fit squad can do from now until the end of the season, then make aggressive moves in the summer, very, very early on. A Euros year isn’t exactly ideal, but hopefully, Edu and Cagigao can formulate ideas with Mikel early so we don’t end up going on a mad one with Don Raul taking reccos from the football mafia on who might or might not be a worldy.

I forgot to talk about the players leaving on loan. We have John-Jules heading out to Lincoln City, they sit 16th in the table in League One, so a huge job for him there, and hopefully some minutes. ESR has joined Huddersfield, who dropped from the Premier League, and now sit 20th in the Championship. Quite the fall from grace, you have to say, but again, far more chance ESR will land minutes. Eddie still hasn’t found a club, but there are rumours Villa and Norwich might be interested. I’d be fine with either, as long as he actually lands playing time. No point in warming someone else’s bench.

Right, that’s my lot for today, if you want the match report, it’s here.

Have a good one, see you in the comments!

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  1. Lego Hair

    Marko

    Haha ok dr Phil thanks for your expert diagnosis. Very informed for an out of work postie.

    What exactly do you bring to this party out of interest, apart from the obvious ignorance, stupidity and a lack of any understanding of the world we live in, what?

  2. Freddie Ljungberg

    Mark

    To see the truth of the squad finally dawn on some people would almost be worth it but I don’t want the mediocrity anymore, we have to keep moving forward even if it’s with those same people kicking and screaming about their favourite overpaid baby.

  3. Un na naai

    Freddie LjungbergJanuary 12, 2020 17:12:54
    DonSo we let go of 19 players and replaced with 18 but it doesn’t matter how much we got for them? Straight out of the transfer book for dummies by Arsene Wenger that.200m to replace 19 players is peanuts btw. Do the math or ask someone mentally capable to do it for you.

    Freddie

    That may be the case but when we’ve an improved squad from wenger’s last years though yes or no?
    His signings were appalling and now we have much much better right?

  4. Marko

    Is there a major tournament this summer? So not a full preseason for Mikel. Nevermind even a smaller preseason to work with these players should bring about positive results. Mavropanos, Elneny and others back on loan to add to the squad. Should be great.

  5. WengerEagle

    Aguero equals Henry’s PL record, virtually have identical app records too with Henry playing a few matches as a pensioner in his second spell.

    Much better player than Auba but Henry was at a completely different level to Aguero as an all-round player.

  6. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 12, 2020 17:15:12
    Don’t make me do it again.Do what again? What have you done?

    Marko
    Put you on the big with a coffee

    I mean you of all people should be avoiding any conversations involving player quality or coaching standards

    You’ve been humiliatingly wrong for the last 2 years
    Every thing you’ve said has blown up in your face yet you’re back for more?

  7. Champagne charlie

    Weagle

    Saw a breakdown of Aguero be Henry and Henry scored less pens, more game winners, and had 30-odd more assists.

    Aguero is/was fantastic over his time in the prem, but Thierry is a shelf above further still. We were truly spoiled to have him week upon week.

  8. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    For the future yes.

    You still don’t understand that you don’t replace 19 players, many with vast PL experience with kids, stop gaps and 4-5 quality players that need adapting and expect immediate results.

    His signings were appalling bar our strikers and it’s looking like we have to replace them too soon enough. Still a couple of them stinking out the place. You think Arteta wants to keep Ozil or have 3-4 players on the same wage that can play 90 minutes a game 2-3 games a week without going invisible for example?

  9. Dream10

    De Bruyne is a top player. Little overrated by the PL media though. He’s not in the Messi, Neymar, Hazard class for me.

    Gabriel Jesus has a tremendous goals to games ratio when in the XI. Now is the time for him to be first choice. Wonder he will push for a move this summer?

  10. CG

    Graham

    “””I suppose when you’ve accepted regression for as long as you have, these past eighteen months have at least enabled you to unleash your true feelings.””””

    Ample of Evidence the real regression took place when Wenger left.

    All the evidence in the world.

    I am not saying it was faultless under Wenger

    But the moment he left- we have deteriorated in every single aspect of the club.

    Where we had a huge opportunity to continue and improve on what he done- we have decimated it.

    I can tell you now – Arteta or No Arteta.As it stands this club is FINISHED at the elite level

    Next Sat( hallway through the campaign)
    We will have an inexperienced coach and a 19 year old centre forward from Brazil playing for us…..and that’s all we have to show for a 1/4 of a billion investment post Wenger

    Where we use to smash teams like Sheff Utd we will struggle to get a draw.
    Look at what Leeds did to us.

    We are useless and clueless from top to bottom
    And deep down – we all know it.

  11. Marko

    To see the truth of the squad finally dawn on some people would almost be worth it but I don’t want the mediocrity anymore

    You’re talking shite Freddie it is you who shall be dawned upon my friend. I guarantee you that we’re getting top 4 next season with more or less the same squad (because a couple loans are coming back and Saliba will be here) under Mikel Arteta. After that a couple moves will have to be made towards the title because some players are out of contract and leaving on frees. Can’t wait

  12. Sanmi

    WengerEagle,

    Liverpool are very beatable. The difference is a fit Van Dijk and a retired unreplaced Kompany. But attacking wise, man city are on a different plane. Liverpool plays to form. There are 4 or 5 matches this season they could have drawn, lucky referring or goal keeping errors saw them through. Most city goals are unstoppable

  13. Lego Hair

    Makes sense if you’re not ret@rded.

    You have not got a very specific set of skills. You are only suitable for one shit job.
    You can’t even hold that down.

    Get it?

    No wonder Marko got sacked from the post he thinks his job is sitting all day and night posting on le grove being sarcastic. Well done 👍

  14. TR7

    ‘Disagree, Citeh on their day are sensational but they are much more beatable than Liverpool are.’

    That Pool look unbeatable and City don’t is solely down to the fact Pool added VVD to their ranks whereas City lost Kompany. Otherwise City a better team for me.

  15. WengerEagle

    Charles

    Yeah mate for half a decade there we had by a distance the best player in the PL and arguably the planet, certainly was more consistent than Ronnie was in Barca.

    Aguero is fantastic and truly an elite CF but Henry was a one-man wrecking crew, prime Suarez is the only other striker I’ve seen that was comparable and even that was only for a season and a half.

    Dribbled better than any winger, created more chances than the best CAM’s, top scored near on every PL season. And was by far the classiest and most entertaining player in the PL. Man was a phenom.

  16. Marko

    Put you on the big with a coffee

    Don the only person you’re sending to the bathroom is that poor wife of yours who goes there for a cry everytime she sees you at the dinner table and realizes what a mistake she’s made. The poor creature

  17. Sanmi

    Liverpool’s weak point is Arnold , he is defensively weak. Most opponent’s goals come from his end.
    Also little creativity comes from the middle. Most goals are from set piece, errors from opponents when they press and early crosses from full backs. The very reason they find it difficult to breakdown teams with 10men behind the ball. End up winning 1-0,
    But city, the attacking play is so sublime it doesn’t matter if you have 300men behind the ball. They will have 1v1 with your keeper. Most losses and draws are because they miss chances

  18. Dream10

    Dissenter

    Bournemouth and Villa both need goals. Wilson has lost his touch,.Josh King is constantly injured and Solanke a waste of money. Villa spend a shit load of money for a promoted side and don’t have one reliable goal source. A bad recipe for both sides

  19. WengerEagle

    I’m not buying that Kompany made that huge a difference, he’d seriously declined since his prime already last season.

    Liverpool may not be as outstanding man for man technically but their resilience and mentality is solid as a diamond. Combine that with outstanding footballers in Van Dijk, TAA, Fabinho, Mane, Salah, Firmino and add in that extra boost that having Klopp in their ranks gives them and they are near on unbeatable.

    They literally never look as if they’re on the ropes, even in their narrow one goal wins. And if it’s tied you can always put your house on them finding a winner.

    Their reserves soundly beat Everton’s first team ffs.

  20. WengerEagle

    Said it at the time, whoever green-lighted signing Solanke for twenty million ought to have been sacked on the spot.

    One of the worst ever strikers to grace the prem.

    Bournemouth have been punching above their weight for a few years now to be fair to them. Tiny club so always were likely to drop back down.

    People on here still want Eddie Howe and Ryan Fraser? Lol.

  21. Champagne charlie

    City have another gear to Liverpool for me, their ability to control games and vary their attacking threat is more impressive.

    I think the difference right now is City have been winning everything for a while and their big issue is sustainable hunger. Liverpool are desperate.

    That is enough. But it must be said that for the first 6-8 games of the season Liverpool got very, very lucky not to drop a few defeats in there.

  22. Sanmi

    Their reserves could have lost to Everton 1st half.
    The 1st team could have lost to man utd instead of draw.
    Could have drawn Leicester instead of win (lucky penalty)
    Could have drawn yesterday (spurs missed 3 sitters)
    They look like they wont win matches, then something happen most times because opponents panicked or huge fortunes.
    Arnold is not an A rated defender, he is just a good crosser of the ball. He is in a team with insane workrate, so he gets exposed less

  23. TR7

    Liverpool don’t look unbeatable either. They have been very lucky in a few games with VAR decisions going their way and a few scrappy draws/wins. Spurs created enough chances yesterday to score at least one and pool goal shouldn’t have stood.

  24. Un na naai

    Freddie LjungbergJanuary 12, 2020 17:21:39
    DonFor the future yes.You still don’t understand that you don’t replace 19 players, many with vast PL experience with kids, stop gaps and 4-5 quality players that need adapting and expect immediate results

    But Freddie
    1) of the 35 played emery has had at his disposal over two seasons only 7 were 21 and below.

    2) why weren’t you saying this in the summer? Why was it all systems go, this squad is the mutts nuts, so glad to be rid of wenger? Why the massive 180 on the squad now that emery tanked?

    Marko
    Yeah. Speaking from experience there mate? I think any Mrs would feel like that if they had a bloke who earned what you earn.
    Stuck in some dub council estate with a sky blue trackie on every day hoping for a lottery win.

    Keep plucking away though

  25. Un na naai

    Aguero is fantastic and truly an elite CF but Henry was a one-man wrecking crew, prime Suarez is the only other striker I’ve seen that was comparable and even that was only for a season and a half. Dribbled better than any winger, created more chances than the best CAM’s, top scored near on every PL season. And was by far the classiest and most entertaining player in the PL. Man was a phenom.

    Weagle
    My sentiments exactly. Suarez was the only thing to come close and Rodger’s Liverpool (for me personally) was the only team that came close to the levels of attacking football created by ourselves. I know city are weaving patterns right now but i still preferred Liverpool under Rodgers and our invincibles/08-11 side.

  26. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    And how many of them are we having to rely too much on too soon?

    It’s different having 5 youths in the periphery of the squad or having them constantly starting getting subs. Hopefully we’ll benefit from that in the long term though.

    I’m an Arsenal fan. I was hoping we’d kick on, that the youngsters would step up more than they did, that the new signings would adapt quickly and that injuries would be kept at a minimum. None of that happened and Emery started to get more and more erratic.
    Then he got fired. End of chapter. Doesn’t mean our squad is great now just because we have a new coach, don’t worry though, I’ll still back him until he proves he can’t make it here. Looking promising so far so I’m not complaining. Still need to keep the squad rebuild going.

  27. Sanmi

    The best midfield have witnessed In epl was Cesc, Flamini, Hleb and Rosicky. We concede tonnes but won games purely by outplaying everyone. Teams were scared shitless

  28. Un na naai

    Freddie

    You didn’t say you hoped
    You said that it was the greatest summer we’ve ever had and that the squad had gone though a significant improvement under emery. You said it as fact and you were not cautious about it

    Our young players have mostly played from the bench with a very occasional start in the league. And only due to the 8 injuries we’ve suffered.
    Anyway
    We’ve been at this all day and I’m tiring of going round in circles so im off to watch a film

    That deep water or under water is meant to be good
    Might see if I can find that on Kodi

    Peace out fuckers

  29. WengerEagle

    I actually rated Gallas as a defender, imo he was by far our best defender and our only decent one in that side aside from Sagna.

    Toure and Clichy were both error-prone and overly panicky which cost us in the big matches vs Chelsea, Liverpool and United and the back-ups in Eboue, Senderos, Djourou, Traore were just absolutely dreadful.

    Almunia shocking too.

  30. Spanishdave

    CG
    You got it.
    To get out of this mess the club need to spend a lot of money.
    Stan won’t do it, he’s here to collect money not spend it.
    Arteta is a good man but he has a mountain to climb to get rid of the dross.
    We cannot afford to take 3 or 4 years to get back as the other clubs will be moving on to.
    Our record of bringing through talent is abysmal
    Our rotten old board are still there.
    The club is full of underperforming staff which is half asleep.
    We are realistically done as a big club for at least five years
    Stan has killed us .

  31. Freddie Ljungberg

    “You said that it was the greatest summer we’ve ever had”

    I said it was the best window we had in a very long time, yes. Do you disagree? Tierney and Saliba will be great for us I’ve no doubt. Have they made any impact so far? No.

    Pepe needs to find his feet but has still been contributing his fair share of goals and assists.
    I think Martinelli will be immense for us. Still need more time though.

    Luiz was a stop gap but is still looking like our best CB at the moment.

    I can’t see the future obviously but I was excited about our business last summer like many other fans. Would have liked us to do even more but it is what it is.

  32. Batistuta

    Sad that you have to go back to 2008 if you’re looking for any kind of Arsenal football that gave you joy consistently, absolutely criminal we didn’t win anything with that squad

  33. Sid

    Grealish is the new wilshere, a marginally above average type that overrated for being english,
    in spain or south america he’s nothing special

  34. Chika

    London Gunner

    “Getting fourth would be punching above our weight.”

    You mean it’d be considered shocking if a squad with our quality finishes fourth?

  35. CG

    Thanks Spanish

    It’s taken Liverpool 30 years to win a title
    It will probably take us 50 , to win another, if we are lucky( as it stands)

    The footballing landscape has changed.
    Teams don’t come to Arsenal and be happy with a little loss- they come to beat us.

    We used to annihilate teams – now Championship ones spank us: humiliate us.( like Leeds – who lost 2 zero at home yesterday)

    We now celebrate spunky draws against Palace ( yawn yawn).

    We make excuses and more excuses.

    We say Saliba is coming is going to rescue us or we have a spotty 19 year Brazilian who is gonna be the next Ronaldo.

    The Club is dying by death of a thousand cuts.

    As The G stated- when you have our Exec team – you ain’t got No Chance.( raul , vinny, edu- what have they ever accomplished?)

    I am glad you ain’t deluded- like the others.

  36. Un na naai

    BatistutaJanuary 12, 2020 18:10:57
    Sad that you have to go back to 2008 if you’re looking for any kind of Arsenal football that gave you joy consistently, absolutely criminal we didn’t win anything with that squad

    Bati
    Nooooo
    It’s just that the 08-11 sides produced peak joy. I still got a lot of joy from santi/Sanchez/Wilshere/ozil/Ramsey/Giroud combos

    And Pepe’s left foot is a thing of joy.
    Torriera’s defensive efforts brings me joy.

  37. London gunner

    Samni

    No offence mate but you are having a shocker today keep calling everything wrong.

    Arnold liverpool’s weakness? As the dirty scousers would say, what are you smoking over there?

    Arnold is an exceptional football player. We would be incredibly lucky to have a player with 2 3rds of his ability.

  38. Champagne charlie

    Sid

    Grealish the new Wilshere? He’s the best English player in the league this season and has precisely the attributes we miss. Odd take, sounds like a little personal axe to grind against English talents. His nationality is irrelevant to me, he’s an excellent player blooded in the championship so he can take a kick.

    Would like to point out just how many on here threw a fit when I wanted us to broker a swap between us and City for Aguero/Alexis at the time he was being benched by Pep and Alexis was hot shit.

    Was said he was old, over the hill, a one trick pony etc. You know who you are.

  39. Batistuta

    Un na

    Dunno about the 10/11 season but still that 07/08 was beautiful, just beautiful to watch even our collapse was beautiful because we did it in a style we hadn’t before. We’d be 2 down and I’d genuinely believe we could still win, lots of youngsters too who sadly didn’t kick on, sad stuff

  40. Sid

    Champagne charlieJanuary 12, 2020 18:54:24
    He’s the best English player in the league this season

    Thats exactly the point, not many flair players are produced in england

    “sounds like a little personal axe to grind against English talents”
    aston-villa-ace-jack-grealish-is-over- hyped-and-still-has-much-to-learn-says-glen-johnson

  41. Paulinho

    Henry overall had more to his game, but I do like the way Aguero has the balls to always stay within the width of the goal posts and back himself to take down any ball in a crowded box and finish, at any point in the game. Henry had a tendency to spend too much time going wide when we were struggling. Remember especially at Stamford Bridge and Old Trafford he didn’t stay central and occupy their defenders enough when we needed a goal.

  42. Pierre

    The way I saw the game yesterday was, whilst the game was a football match Arsenal showed their quality , once the ref allowed it to become a game of niggling fouls without issuing the necessary cards, we lost our quality.

    Watching Arsenal in recent years away from home has been difficult , for some reason we allow ourselves to be involved in physical battles which we very rarely come out on top.

    City are not a side that one would say are physically strong , but they very rarely allow themselves to get involved in a physical battle.

    What they do is use the full width and length of the pitch and nearly always seem to keep the opposition at arms length.

    Technique is what it’s all about for city throughout the team, and for Arsenal to compete at the very top against liverpool and City , we need to recruit high technical players.

    If we just go out and recruit physical players ,all we are doing is competing with the palace, Sheffield united, villa, Watford’s of this world , whereas we need to be looking to compete with liverpool and City.
    The aim is top 4 next season with the squad we have .

    The midfield and central defence are still the areas to be addressed.
    Our 4 full backs are possibly good enough, we have enough talent offensively but for Arsenal to control matches like yesterday, we need high technical players in midfield and central defenders who are totally comfortable on the ball.

    Luiz under Arteta is showing his quality but we need 2 central defenders who are good on the ball otherwise the opposition will just allow the weak link to have the ball.

    Will be interesting to see the path that Arteta goes down when recruiting , it will show us the style of football he intends to implement.

    Though Arteta is heaping a lot of praise on the players at the club , don’t be fooled as he will not give it a second thought to offload players for better quality that suits his style of play.

  43. Un na naai

    Thats exactly the point, not many flair players are produced in england

    Sid
    Becks
    Cliff Bastin
    Charlie George
    Tom finney
    Giggs
    Wilshere
    Glenn Hoddle
    Bobby Moore
    Waddle
    Beardo
    Gazza
    Trevor Brooking
    Rio Ferdinand
    Stanley Matthews
    Rooney
    Owen
    Le tissier
    Huckerby
    Sherringham
    King Kenny (that ones for you Charlie)
    Ox
    Gerrard
    John Barnes
    Grealish
    Duncan Edwards
    Foden
    Fowler
    Scholes
    Sterling
    Saka
    Bale
    Charlton
    Joe Cole
    Trevor Sinclair
    Hughes
    Mcmanaman

    Naaaa
    No flair among that lot.

  44. Champagne charlie

    Sid

    Not sure what that response does in serving your POV? Is Glen Johnson’s view gospel?

    I could dig up a dozen comments from the media saying Grealish is deserving of all the praise he gets, but that doesn’t support my own view just to offer someone else’s.

    I’m saying he’s an excellent footballer because of what he’s doing this season in the league, I’m also saying his skills are precisely those we could do with. You’re saying he’s overrated? Based on………help me out here. Glen Johnson?

  45. Sid

    ..
    Champagne charlieJanuary 12, 2020 19:34
    Not sure what that response does in serving your POV

    Does Glen Johnsin have a “personal axe to grind against English talents”?

  46. Nelson

    Just listened to Jose’s Post Match Press Conference. He said that his players couldn’t go all out for 90 minutes. Therefore, they were saving some energy for the first half, while defending the Pool’s attack. In the 2nd half, they planed to fight back with all they got.

    Arteta complained that the players couldn’t keep the intensity up for 90 minutes. That’s normal according to Jose. The coach has to plan ahead with the players how to manage the game. I think Arteta is lacking some experience in game management.

  47. Un na naai

    RedtruthJanuary 12, 2020 19:35:12
    Un na naaiYou clueless twat.Curry, Bowles, Worthington and Hudson were flair players underused by Rngland…

    Calm down old cunt
    I don’t know every old player before my era so get back in your pram.

  48. Graham62

    Pierre

    I agree.

    Arteta was never going to come in and rock the boat but ,like yourself, I’m convinced he already has plans etched in stone which will come to our attention in due course.

    What I’ve seen so far has exceeded my expectations.

  49. Sid

    Un na naaiJanuary 12, 2020 19:43:12
    SidHe is, so is Barnes but both were produced in England

    You had a different opinion some time back, lololol

  50. Un na naai

    SidJanuary 12, 2020 19:46:06
    Un na naaiJanuary 12, 2020 19:43:12
    SidHe is, so is Barnes but both were produced in EnglandYou had a different opinion some time back, lololol

    Sid
    No I didn’t
    Having flair players produced in England and available to play for the national squad isn’t the same as being english but I’m not getting drawn on this one again.

  51. Champagne charlie

    “a marginally above average type that overrated for being english, in spain or south america he’s nothing special”

    You said the above Sid, pretty clear why I’d suggest it sounds like you’ve an axe to grind against English players.

    Did Glen Johnson day he’s nothing special and because he’s English he gets over the top praise? No.

  52. Graham62

    Problem in this country is that we never appreciated our talented players.

    If Hoddle had been Spanish, he would have won well over a hundred caps.

  53. Champagne charlie

    Nelson

    Didn’t Spurs lose? Haven’t they had like 1 clean sheet under Jose?

    Not sure he’s the man to benchmark against at this moment.

  54. Tom

    Grealish – What’s not to like?
    God dribbler, good pace , good shot from both feet and with an eye for goal.
    Always asking for ball even in tight spaces and a good passer.
    Oh yea, scores off the charts on CG’s calve muscle index too.

    I saw him a handful of games earlier in the season and knew he was better than anyone we had playing in our mid , and said so on here.

  55. Graham62

    Also the culture in this country is not geared for dealing with talent.

    Night clubs and the pub scene ruined so many of our top players.

    No structure/discipline in their lives.

    I hope Grealish has learnt from his past mistakes.

    Sterling has grown up under Pep.

  56. Un na naai

    Graham

    Don’t forget the coaching system in this country hasn’t been geared towards flair players for years.
    In the 50s and 60s we were producing lots of skilled dribblers but the game changed in the 70s and 80s in this country.

    The fact we have a list that long is amazing considering.

    Look at what fergie did with Rooney. Made him a workhorse
    Yes it was for success but he took the flair out of him and sacrificed him for Ronaldo and tevez

    What this country needs nationally at every level is more minds like Vennables and Hoddle.

    Men who encourage expression

  57. Nelson

    CC

    The question is not benchmark against anybody. Arteta is having problem with the team performing consistently for 90 minutes. It seems that he is blaming it all on the players.

  58. Danny S

    Kids have too much in this country. I think video games ruin a lot of the kids and young adults.
    Rather than getting out in all weathers practising, they sit at home and play.
    Plus there’s not as much desire to make something of themselves because they are so dirt poor. Our kids are just too pampered and not ambitious enough.

    As for flair players, if I had a pound for every time the coaches at school would scream at kids to stop being fancy and pass the ball…..
    they didn’t encourage flair at all.

    Imagine if ronaldinhos coach had made him pass the ball every tine he got it.

  59. Champagne charlie

    Nelson

    I think you’re too keen to look for friction where there is none. He’s stating objectively that what he wants from his team is unsustainable for 90 mins given the current fitness levels of the squad. The senior players acknowledged the same post-match recently.

    Jose can waffle what he likes about game management but it’s a hit hollow when his sides are porous and end up losing.

  60. Un na naai

    Danny S

    Have to say, I was a flair player and I was encouraged as youngster by everyone really
    At 19 I started playing with a semi pro side (only played two pre season games and quit) and they weren’t too keen on flair at all. That said I played further back for them

  61. Spanishdave

    Un
    Glad you named Worthington.
    He was a great baller never really recognized by England.
    I saw him many times, the trouble was the players around him weren’t able to be on the same wavelength.
    England haven’t had a baller since Gazza.
    Grealish would be fun to have around

  62. HighburyLegend

    “Seems like he’s calling out the previous coach for not having his players fit enough to me”

    Making Emery the only responsible for something which had already start under Wenger…. you guys are priceless.

  63. RodneyKing

    It’s a little too early to judge Pearson but what he’s done at Watford is nothing short of remarkable. I heard Foster saying that for so long they’ve had “coaches” but in Pearson, they’ve got a “manager”.

    That’s not to say that coaching is fanciful. What was though, was hoping that Arteta would be able to coach certain players in this squad to greatness. But in just 4 weeks, it’s become clear that the quality required for Arteta to achieve his vision just isn’t there.

    Arteta’s biggest test will come when results don’t improve and the players begin to question his methods.

  64. Un na naai

    @Un Dos Tres : you still have a bit of Pedro’s cum on your lips, please clean yourself up.

    Good one. Still using the same insults you learned as 14 year old!! You must be very clever

  65. Un na naai

    Un
    We miss those players.
    I used to go to games just to see them play.
    What’s gone wrong?

    You aren’t going to like this but too many George Graham or Graham Souness types got into management.

    Jose Mourinho and Rafa Benitez made functionality trendy. For a while years later

  66. Lego Hair

    Danny
    Most of us have all played to some level of the game and there’s nothing wrong with a good flair player but there’s too many ball greedy cunts that think they’re Ronaldinho when they’re closer to Ronnie Corbett with a pair of white preds 😂

  67. Spanishdave

    Stan Bowles probably had a couple of pints before the game.
    Great player .
    They didn’t get 350 a week let alone 350 k.
    When Liverpool dominated the league last none of them got more than 350 a week !!!

  68. Champagne charlie

    HL

    You don’t tend to have any football opinions, just a bunch of remarks about posters followed by copious amounts of “LOL”. I’d skip it if I were you.

  69. Un na naai

    wrong with a good flair player but there’s too many ball greedy cunts that think they’re Ronaldinho when they’re closer to Ronnie Corbett with a pair of white preds 😂

    😂
    That was me

  70. Un na naai

    Lego

    Haha. I played centre half a fair bit too mate being 6,2 so was never really bullied in the pitch
    Was never quick or athletic though. So if I was left back against a fast winger I hated it. Used to just give them a couple of yards and take them down early

  71. CG

    R.K

    “””It’s a little too early to judge Pearson but what he’s done at Watford is nothing short of remarkable. I heard Foster saying that for so long they’ve had “coaches” but in Pearson, they’ve got a “manager”.””:

    Well garnered Rodney.

    Its exactly what we need.
    A strongman manager.

    We have too much coaching and not enough managing these days.

    Fergie /Cloughie/Wenger /Stein – even Klopp dont coach- they man manage the players.

    That’s why they are the best.

    Pearson- architect of the Leicester miracle – conjuring up another one at Watford

    Our club- too up it’s own Arse – to appoint a bloody old school manager who wont take no nonsense from the players neither the idiots behind the scenes who interfere.

    Pearson as our manager
    Arteta as our coach

    Thats a dream team

  72. Redtruth

    CG
    “Fergie /Cloughie/Wenger /Stein – even Klopp dont coach- they man manage the players.”

    Which of those Managers has never won a European trophy……..lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

  73. Pedro

    The Pearson Leicester miracle, that saw them nearly relegated in his first season.

    CG, you go from crying that we let Wenger go, to promoting Nigel Pearson as the dream ticket, you’re on a constant wind up.

    Arsenal were relegation fodder, Jose Mourinho was the man to take us forward, now you’re falling in love with Watford because Ben Foster had something nice to say.

  74. CG

    PedRo

    “””The Pearson Leicester miracle, that saw them nearly relegated in his first season”””

    That’s why it was a miracle.
    Because they won it the following season.

    Jose/Pearson / Dyche are undoubtedly managers not coaches granted.

    Arteta is a coach (mighty talented one)
    But he ain’t a manager

    And myself like Foster -prefer one person in charge – A manager and not a head coach.

    No one can belittle what Pearson is doing.

    I have not the foggiest – what xg is- but he must be absolutely smashing it out of the ballpark.

    Pearson is the British version of Klopp, currently.

  75. CG

    Cha Cha

    “””Pearson is the British version of Klopp, currently.“Find a door, and leave.”””

    Nay
    I’ll amend it.

    Klopp is the German version of Nigel Pearson .

    Crikey – you folk are so condescending to British players and Coaches.

    Just look at Watfords results???

    Is the game not about results ,any more?

  76. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Cc

    To an onlooker looking in you are screaming out for attention.

    Klopp Pearson is absurd.

    Look
    We tried the trusted experience manager n it failed.

    Fuck it

    Had me doubts bout art but …

    I reckon it will end up good, he’s playing the game well.

    Ie xhara.he don’t want the shit but keeping it sweet till June.

  77. CG

    Unpack what you mean by ‘not a manager’

    Fergie is a manager
    Pearson is manager
    Ancelotti is a manager

    Pep is a coach
    Arteta is a coach
    Terry Venables is a coach.
    Sarri is a coach

    I prefer a manager.

    Clear difference.

  78. CG

    RSPCA

    “””To an onlooker looking in you are screaming out for attention.Klopp Pearson is absurd.”””

    If Pearson keeps Watford up( which he will).He would have earned Watford £150 million pounds.Because they were gone.

    He has not moaned. Got on with his job.
    And managed.

    (He has not got Liverpool standard players.) He has been inspirational

    Your problem- if you are too snobbish to not appreciate it.

  79. CG

    The problem with so many young idealistic folk- they are always looking for utopia.

    Like Edu- is going to Teck Deck us back to the top
    Or Arteta is going to coach our players to massive improvement and sustain it.
    Or the new structure is innovative and will get us winning titles

    All total cobblers off course

    Pro Soccer is about winning your next game.

    And Pearson is doing it as well as anyone around.

    End off.

  80. Tom

    Pep is a coach not a manager

    ———
    It was Pep’s decision to let the 28 year old Ronaldinho go before he took over at Barca.
    That sounds like a managerial decision to me.

  81. Tom

    Hey CG, Pearson is doing a fine job at Watford but how hard should it be to keep a top eight club from relegation.

    Isn’t it what you predicted in the Sumer, Watford top eight?

  82. Valentin

    CG,

    The reason why Pearson is being successful because he is implementing a simple game plan based on power and pace and that luckily for him Watford had lots of that kind of players: athletic, pacy but with decent technique.
    In term of organisation he is not revolutionising anything, in fact as Foster said it is back to basics. Simply put: they run more, they tackle more and they shoot more. He does not need to be a clever coach, just a good manager to extract more physically from his players without overloading them with tactics.
    Arsenal does not have that kind of athletic players who can make the difference on their own via power run (I have been advocating that we should have at least one DM like Doucoure, Capoue, Soumaré, Sangaré type of player). So Arsenal can’t rely on that aspect to revive its fortune. It has to rely on technical and tactical ability to make the difference.
    That’s why Pearson would have been the wrong appointment for Arsenal. But conversely Arteta would have been the wrong appointment to Watford, because apart Deulofeu I can’t see a lot of Watford players fitting Arteta style. Troy Deeney has better technique and better awareness than he often given credit, but he is no Aguero.

  83. RodneyKing

    Valentine

    “…. Arteta would have been the wrong appointment to Watford, because apart Deulofeu I can’t see a lot of Watford players fitting Arteta style. Troy Deeney has better technique and better awareness than he often given credit, but he is no Aguero.”

    Aha! So Silva-, Aguero-, De Bruyne-, Sterling- and Mahrez-type players are what you need to play Pep’s, sorry Arteta’s style?

    The Arsenal rebuild is looking tougher by the day.

  84. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘Poor Mikel, used to double our normal transfer budget for squad filler in January, he’s now being faced down with real-world economics… if you don’t sell players, you can’t buy them.’

    Therein lies the problem. It’s the same one that Wenger faced if we’re being fair.

    Imagine if arsenal had an owner who was willing to inject a bit of extra cash into the proceedings. Not billions necessarily, but a sensible amount, a bit of rational speculation if you like.
    It actually makes more sense than doing precisely diddly squat which is exactly what Stan is doing.

    Spend a bit and something might happen.

  85. Freddie Ljungberg

    http://dailycannon.com/2020/01/mavropanos-set-to-join-fc-nurnberg-on-loan/

    https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/arsenal/transfer-talk/news/shkodran-mustafi-closing-in-on-arsenal-exit_385910.html

    2 CBs potentially leaving, money received for them 0, zip, nada. Lucky us that it apparently doesn’t matter what you get for players anymore.

    This is why it’s a slow rebuild job. Most of our players we want/ed to move on are next to worthless, we have to be absolutely spot on and preferably luck out on a couple of Martinelli like gems to make ends meet and maintain any sort of level in the squad.

    All while lowering the wage bill. Damn that Emery for breaking the squad. Damn him to hell…

  86. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Cg

    Nah ain’t snobbish,

    I like Pearson in a way of good with players, Harry style.

    He set the basis for the Leicester title squad.

    However
    Watford are a good team,
    Players dropped tools for previous manager so really anyone was going to succeed.

    L8ke Mourinho.

    Good manage4 only when there is money to spend.

    Would have liked hi. To take the watford job.
    Then we would have seen if he was any good.

  87. Pedro

    Alex, the money isn’t the problem, we’ve spent double Spurs, Chelsea and Leicester over the lat 5 years… it’s who you buy.

  88. Pedro

    CG, if the difference is clear, you’d be able to articulate what it is. You’ve just listed a bunch of names without telling us what we should be looking for.

  89. Champagne charlie

    Can we bring anyone in this window that can play in the EL?

    If not then I struggle to see the value, more sensible to wait until the summer and be clearer what the needs are for Artetaball to take off after 15 league games to judge.

  90. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pedro

    Tragic that he changed agents to try to engineer a move and all that’s rumoured is a loan move to Galatasaray, and even that isn’t sure.
    Top top qualidee

  91. Freddie Ljungberg

    Would still leave us with only 2 healthy 30+ CBs and Holding in recovery mode, would be Evil Knievel levels of ballsiness/foolishness to rock out for the rest of the season with that.

    Hope it’s not another oldie stop gap incoming

  92. Pedro

    Freddie, quite sad how badly Mustafi has falling off the wagon. World Cup winner, to someone that can’t find a club. Tragic. Can’t work out if money corrupted his ambition, or he just fell up the stairs with his success.

  93. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pedro

    Beats me, Valencia couldn’t believe their luck apparently when we made that crazy bid for him. Was never good enough for us and probably the worst value for money player we ever bought. 35m, all the wages he’s been hoovering up over all the many many looong years he’s been here and now we’re probably not going to get even a fiver in fees for him.

  94. Marko

    Mustafi and Mavropanos leaving with Chambers out for the season one has to assume that someone comes in otherwise rolling with Luiz, Sokratis and Holding is a major gamble. That or Mikel is dumb as shit letting two CB’s leave while one is out for the season all the while convincing Xhaka to stay… Boateng incoming???

  95. Pedro

    Freddie, that window will forever baffle me. Couldn’t have made more bad decisions if we tried.

    Hopefully we’ll have it fully rectified by the summer, then we have another overhaul. Though I suspect he’ll keep Mesut if he continues to give him what he wants.

  96. Marko

    Though I suspect he’ll keep Mesut if he continues to give him what he wants.

    First off he does that then you gotta question the appointment of Arteta. And secondly gives him what he wants? What’s that exactly a couple decent halfs and then back to normal? Great. Worth keeping around for sure. ‘No, I put him in the team if I see every day that his attitude, desire and understanding of what we’re trying to do is there. He has the will and if he is in a better moment than somebody else, I will pick him. The moment this changes, he won’t play.’ let’s see if Mikel is a man of his word.

  97. Aussie Gooner

    Ozil is getting everything he wants anyway – 350000 of them per week! You can’t build a team around someone who does not put in or show up most of the time. At best he is a mercurial fringe player who is capable of sprinkling some magic on occasions.