Arteta fixes lingering issue

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It is FA Cup weekend and I’m having to scour the internet to find places to watch it because America’s English football TV is as fractured as it is in the UK.

I really can’t wait for the day that Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook writes a cheque for the lot. This isn’t like Amazon killing the high street, it’s just taking the football from one billionaire and giving it to another.

The Premier League and assorted cup games is a consumer product that is in desperate need of simplifying. I should be able to buy all of Arsenal’s games, I should be able to opt-in for highlights packages on the whistle, and there should be varying levels of service where I can buy one-off games or packages that give me the big matches.

Everyone wins.

I really can’t understand why it’s take so long for something like this to happen, but hopefully, with 5G coming onto the market hard over the next year, a tech giant will rip the package from cable TV who do a very bad job when it comes to value.

The good news keeps on coming with Mikel Arteta. He told the press this weekend that he doesn’t believe in 5 captains, which is a relief, because the idea was an utter nonsense.

“The more stability we can generate with our captain and the players we have in the squad, I think the more clarity we will have to transmit to the fans what we are trying to do.

“There are many factors, some we cannot control, but at the moment everything is OK and not the time for me to change things in place because I haven’t seen real things to make the decisions.

“I have been at clubs that have four or five captains. It is more a leadership group than captains. At the end it is one guy wearing the armband and after the team picks the leaders.

“The moment they pick the leaders is when someone talks if they listen or they are looking at the roof. That is when you see.”

This is a total basic of leadership. The 5 captains idea was basically Unai Emery’s socialist wage structure. If you give 5 people the leadership, you either have a situation where everyone is fighting it out to be the biggest voice which can be embarrassing and cause factions.

‘Leadership is related to how this team leads together. The moment you start to see different groups, there are leaders in each group but they are not shared in the best common interest of the whole squad. This is what I want to avoid.’

… or the opposite, where the assumption is that someone else will take the lead and no one does (hello, last 18 months). Then there’s the factor Arteta mentioned – because the roles are not clearly defined, no one knows when or who to pay attention to.

That nightmare is AUBA. Get it? Auba > Over?

The man from Gabon seems to be the defacto choice until the end of the season and I like that. He’s one of the best sharpshooters in the world and he’s currently putting in a shift out wide for the team. I also like his prematch huddles and the post-match attitude to the fans. Not sure if that’s come from him, but it’s been noted that the players are giving away shirts and staying on the pitch longer after games.

I think that’s the thing a lot of Arsenal fans are warming to… Arteta isn’t just about the details on the pitch. He seems to look at a football club like an eco-system. Part of that eco-system is the fans. If the fans aren’t happy, it’ll be acid rain in the ground, not rays of positivity sunshine. By working hard, saying the right things in the press, showing the correct body language, and giving the fans something back after the game… he makes everyone’s job easier to do off the pitch.

I think we’re in a phase where we’re praising Arteta for doing real basics correctly, but look, why not, we haven’t had an approach like this in a long time. Arsene created a bit of an enemy of a fanbase he thought were ungrateful, Emery just didn’t have a clue what was going on and whinged about us when the going got tough. We had major broadsheet journalists pondering whether the real issue at Arsenal was indeed the fans (quite staggering you can get paid for that sort of shite analysis). Now 2 weeks into the reign of a manager who understands modern fans and it’s a different vibe, long may that continue.

The important thing we need to do as fans is ground ourselves in reality. Arteta hasn’t solved all of our problems, there are still plenty of ups and downs to come, and we are in desperate need of some upgrades if we’re to find the next level. There will be some outrageous wins, there will be some shock losses, and there will be general setbacks as we navigate this season. We just have to avoid whiplash conclusions, which I hope is possible because everyone can see what the manager is attempting to do with our great club.

The next challenge we have is against Leeds United tomorrow night. Marcelo Bielsa is a managers manager. Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Nagelsmann will all put him in their top three list. The guy is a genius, an obsessive, and he has always made his teams more than the sum of their parts. Leeds United go to war for him, that’s a managerial trait all managers want to have. The power of persuasion. Arteta said that players who go there come away better people and better players and they always talk highly of him… which I assume is what he wants.

It’s pretty clear from Arteta’s press conference that he’s very concerned about the overall health of the squad. He needs to get some energy back into the legs of first-team players, he needs to ease injured players back, so I would imagine he’ll use this game to give a run out to players he’s not sure about.

Dani Ceballos is the player lots of people have been whispering about. Since his first few games where he was electric, he’s massively lost his focus and belief. He was player of the U21 Championship, we know there’s huge potential, so the hope is that under a manager that can coach, communicate and plan, he’ll thrive. We could certainly do with his energy and enthusiasm heading into the back half of the season.

I also wondered if Pepe would start, just to keep some momentum going, and to up his under-fire fitness levels. Bielsa, who signed Pepe from Angers when he was at Lille, had this to say.

‘Pepe is a great player with big resources and is a goalscorer,’ said the Argentine ahead of a possible reunion with his former player with Leeds set to face Arsenal in the FA Cup at the Emirates on Monday evening.

‘And he’s a player who is able to unbalance a match. Obvious skills, then you have all of these skills in one player, the value is £72m. It’s just a matter of time and after, show those skills.’

Big words that I like to read.

Right, that’s enough for today. I’ll see you in the comments a bit later, check out the latest pod if you get the chance!

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  1. Un na naai

    Charlie

    Yeah that’s not a bad shout. People forget the players who have stepped out of that league Larsson, Arteta, Gattuso, Wanayama.

    Dembele and VVD were sold off to Celtic and look at them now.

    Ryan Kent going to Rangers doesn’t make him shit. When I’ve seen him play I always thought he was a handful.

  2. Marc

    On a completely different subject I’m I the only one who’s noticed how the racist chant investigation against the Spud’s seems to have been swept under the carpet?

    Where’s the outrage? Where’s the Newspaper headlines?

  3. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 5, 2020 18:14:04
    WE he’s 19 again any proclamations at 19 a year or two after being highly rated by people seems very premature

    Loooool
    Check you out Mr white knight for the yoot

    Let’s see you turn that patient character you’ve just invented to some of our own
    Or are they too english for you?

  4. Un na naai

    MarcJanuary 5, 2020 18:17:31
    On a completely different subject I’m I the only one who’s noticed how the racist chant investigation against the Spud’s seems to have been swept under the carpet?Where’s the outrage? Where’s the Newspaper headlines?

    Marc
    They have concluded that rudiger miss heard something
    The po po looked into it from every conceivable angle (as the new white heart lane has cameras that can see every single part of the ground) and found nothing.

  5. Marc

    Un

    That was convenient – wonder what the FA will say next time Sterling’s abused in Eastern Europe and the local FA say he misheard what was said?

  6. Champagne charlie

    “Was Ryan Kent sold already? I thought they couldn’t afford him. I stand corrected“

    Gerrard as gaffer, was never not getting a Liverpool player for peanuts.

    Un
    That sort of environment you sink or swim as a personality. At those two clubs it’s win or turmoil, exactly the sort of breeding our younger players should be getting. Look at the personality of those names you mention….all elite. The league is mank in totality, but if you’re a good player for Rangers and Celtic you’re often not to be sniffed at.

    Maybe with Arteta in charge we might see something of a push towards getting some promising young guys educated on that front by going up north as he did – he’s talked about the benefits previously. Nelson for my money could use a crash course on being mentality ready week after week. He’s talented and meek.

  7. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Fair enough, I don’t like the look of him but he is still very young, maybe his all-round game improves.

    I do feel for him the way he’s being handled at Everton though.

  8. TR7

    Think Pep’s imprint on the game can’t be seen solely through the results of the team he manages, he inspires other managers/teams to play a certain way.

  9. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    How many super talents do Juventus sell at 19 to middle of the road clubs?

    As an outsider it looked nothing more than Juve cashing in on a club with money for a guy they knew wasn’t going to cut it. Otherwise he’d have been given a loan. This is a club that have spent how much on forwards the last 3 years? They’d not botch a chance at making their own 90 mil star.

  10. Un na naai

    Charlie
    Was just watching some of him there

    If he learns how to shoot he could be very very effective. Not just up there but when the inevitable happens. He will come back down. Leicester or someone will snap him up and light him up

  11. WengerEagle

    Gerrard is another that’s done very well in management. Him and Lampard were both very intelligent lads as players both footballing IQ wise and leadership wise so not a shock to see them succeeding in the management game.

    Guys like Keane and Scholes lack the emotional intelligence, Keane can’t empathise with any footballer below a world class ability level and Scholes has the self-awareness and charisma of a fucking lampshade.

  12. Champagne charlie

    Pep has broken domestic records in various categories in Spain, Germany, England.

    I’m talking points, goals for, goals against, passes, unbeaten runs et al. To reduce his work to league win or not is reductive if you ask me. Man elevates his sides to ridiculous levels, and sustains it. He’s genius, a bonafide bar raiser wherever he goes. No surprise Klopp has risen to new heights himself with Pep opposite him.

  13. Marko

    Let’s see you turn that patient character you’ve just invented to some of our own
    Or are they too english for you?

    More than enough patience for some just not for really braindead obviously not going to make it here types like AMN.

  14. TR7

    ‘Pep has broken domestic records in various categories in Spain, Germany, England. I’m talking points, goals for, goals against, passes, unbeaten runs et al. To reduce his work to league win or not is reductive if you ask me. Man elevates his sides to ridiculous levels, and sustains it. He’s genius, a bonafide bar raiser wherever he goes. No surprise Klopp has risen to new heights himself with Pep opposite him.’

    Totally agree.

  15. WengerEagle

    Marc

    Reading it back it did sound too harsh and dismissive of what is a remarkably useful home appliance that doesn’t deserve to be unfavourably compared to Scholes’ ‘charisma’, edit out the lampshade part.

  16. WengerEagle

    Johann Cruyff will go down as by far the most influential figure in football history for what he achieved as a player and later on as a manager and technical advisor at Ajax and Barcelona, Pep is literally his disciple carrying on the godlike footballing work.

  17. Marko

    How many super talents do Juventus sell at 19 to middle of the road clubs?

    Hang on a second you’re giving me shit for dismissing a 23 year old for ending up at Rangers and here you are dismissing a 19 year old because he went to Everton? Should we do it to all Everton players? I suppose Digne and Richarlison ain’t shit by that logic. I don’t even highly rate Moise Kean but my god to totally dismiss him at 19 is ridiculously harsh.

  18. Marc

    WE

    I’ve been trying to think of an alternative product for you to use instead but I can’t come up with anything that’s that devoid of personality.

  19. Marko

    AMN is proving you wrong week after week. The guy is not nearly as bad you make him out to be.

    So two weeks. We’re just going to pretend that the last 18-24 months didn’t happen I suppose. I do wonder why we’re apparently looking at a RB signing though

  20. Un na naai

    Nelson for my money could use a crash course on being mentality ready week after week. He’s talented and meek.

    He certainly could
    But Arteta seems to like him enough to start him over Pepe. Maybe he sees enough there to work with. I just don’t think nelson has the footballing brain.

  21. Un na naai

    Guys like Keane and Scholes lack the emotional intelligence, Keane can’t empathise with any footballer below a world class ability level and Scholes has the self-awareness and charisma of a fucking lampshade.

    Weagle

    I’ll bet he’s different off camera
    He’s known for being shy and nervous but those who’ve played with him say he’s a laugh and quite devilish.

    But yeah not got the personality to manage a team

  22. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You’ve got a real ‘woe is me’ affinity with folk dismissing or writing things off, you completely remove context and decide it all yourself so you can get worked up you soggy biscuit.

    Claimed it previously with the suggestion top 4 is unrealistic aka a write off, so it’s more important to develop the structure/culture of the new team. You translated that to folk apparently not giving a fuck if we finished 16th and lost 8 games in a row.

    I’ve not “dismissed” Moise Kean by your nihilistic standard, I’ve said it’s doubtful he’ll be the player suggested hence him being let go as a teen by a club who have spent half a billion on strikers in 5 years and whose two strikers are a combined 96 years of age.

    Not remotely comparable to Ryan Kent trying to get a game at Liverpool who have arguably the best front three in Europe all mid-to-late-twenties. So put your joggers on and calm your tits ffs.

  23. Un na naai

    Marko

    Even before Arteta was appointed he wasn’t half as bad as you made out.
    You’re lynching the kid for no reason. Some of the more experienced players were a lot worse under emery than he was

  24. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 5, 2020 18:42:40
    How many super talents do Juventus sell at 19 to middle of the road clubs?Hang on a second you’re giving me shit for dismissing a 23 year old for ending up at Rangers and here you are dismissing a 19 year old because he went to Everton? Should we do it to all Everton players? I suppose Digne and Richarlison ain’t shit by that logic. I don’t even highly rate Moise Kean but my god to totally dismiss him at 19 is ridiculously harsh

    Calls Charlie a hypocrite whilst being a complete hypocrite. All the self awareness of a boiled egg

  25. Champagne charlie

    Who do folk think the top 4 sides are in the EL this year?

    Good ol’PaddyPower has the following odds:

    Man United 11/2
    Sevilla 6/1
    Inter Milan 7/1
    Arsenal 7/1
    Ajax 8/1
    Wolves 12/1
    Roma 14/1
    RB Salzburg 18/1

    Then the rest, with Porto at 33/1 decent odds for a dark horse.

  26. Lego Hair

    Marko

    ‘ So two weeks. We’re just going to pretend that the last 18-24 months didn’t happen I suppose’

    I’m guessing you weren’t around or hadn’t got a hard on for any of arsenals kits yet to see Ray Parlour come through the ranks. His first 18-24 months were horrendous and gave a penalty away at Anfield on debut. If it was up to you he’d be on your shit list and be out of the door so you could get some shiny new fad foreign midfielder that’s had 6 good games for Getafe.

    Marko logic is sack a player off cos they definitively can’t iron out mistakes in their game, refine themselves and get better than they have been previously.

    Coaching is fanciful though isn’t it Marko?

  27. WengerEagle

    Inter won’t be interested in the EL because they’re in a title race.

    For me Ajax should be the clear favourites. Best team in it and will be motivated to win it because of last year’s CL disappointment.

    Salzburg would have been the worthy dark horses but they’ve lost Haaland and Minamino.

  28. Un na naai

    Marko logic is sack a player off cos they definitively can’t iron out mistakes in their game, refine themselves and get better than they have been previously. Coaching is fanciful though isn’t it Marko?

    LEGO
    He never said that!! 😂
    Or chastised anyone who showed an interest in Arteta taking over
    Or that the only way to improve our team was to buy better players

    Was all a just collective fantasy experienced on Le Grove

  29. G8

    I remember when klopp was called a clown and a Brendan klopp in 2017, I was listening to radio 5 live 606 show and Scousers were phoning in calling for his head after a draw with Burnley and 5/0 thrashing by man city the week before..
    The klopp has to get the chop they said!
    Enough of all that touchline clowning antiques they uttered!
    Funny old game football is!
    Look where they are now!

  30. Tom

    Yeah well. Can’t be right all the time can I? Anyway I still think Jose will be good for spurs. He’s got a rotten squad at the minute
    Half his team wants out
    ——————

    Un na naai

    If Jose is such a great manager then why does half of the Spurs team still want out?

    Xhaka wanted out to a frikking Bundesliga bottom half of the table team but Arteta seemed to have convinced him to stay.

    Apparently Jose’s had been doing some serious reading an soul searching while waiting for his next managerial appointment …….looking for pointers and tips in Darwin’s “On The Origin of Species”

    He might’ve found some insights on how to adapt to a changing environment but I don’t remember Darwin writing anything about new coaching ideas and Jose’s are stale.

    Jose to Arsenal was the worst of all the bad ideas and there were some doozies.

  31. CG

    Re. CG and Jose.

    My theory with employing Jose as AFC manager was – it didn’t make sense that we were persisting with The Clown whilst one of the greatest managers was out of work.

    If it was The Clown v Jose.
    Jose all day long.

    Where I was wrong ( it does happen from time to time- ) was I didn’t think Arteta would join Arsenal after being shafted first time…..and Man City releasing him mid season.

    I will also add- it’s a little bit too early to write Jose and Spurs off yet

    They are In the CL. We ain’t- and wont be for a while….possibly 3 years minimum…..( mounting debts alert)

    Arteta would give his right arm*
    to have a career like Mourinhos.

    Never write of a Champion.

    * metaphorically speaking – he will off course need it to punch Raul when he misbehaves.

  32. Marko

    I mean Ray Parlour knew his best position he knew what he was whereas AMN is likely a RM not a CM not a RW and certainly not a RB and we don’t play with a RM so he’s really not needed or likely to hold down a place long term wise. Mind boggling that he still gets talked about considering some of his performances. I don’t feel like two games where he was likely specifically told not to go past the halfway line and thus ended up not playing poorly should excuse his previous two seasons of frankly wankness. As has been said before it’s so infuriating and yet oh so common for this pathetic fanbase to talk about these types of things and players and to keep persisting with it instead of looking forward and improving. Second chances for Xhaka and Özil, bring back Mhikitaryan and let’s continue to persist with players that are not likely to make it here and we know it. Imagine if we actually wanted to improve and have ambition as a club. Imagine that

  33. Champagne charlie

    Weagle

    What do you make of Ziyech chat once again? He’s a player id have in a heartbeat over Ceballos for the squad.

  34. Habesha Gooner

    Why are people overreacting to AMN having two good games? This is my issue with him he always had talent but he has a poor attitude. He doesn’t concentrate enough, And He is laid back as if he has got everything figured out. Now the past three games he has been great but he needs to keep up that form for a significant amount of time in order to say he is a really good player.

  35. Un na naai

    Habesha

    How do you know he had a poor attitude? What precisely did he do, or not do to make you single him out above Aubameyang, ozil, Luiz, xakha, Mustafi, sokratis and kolasinac? All senior players. All should be leaders in this dressing room. All played well below the required level under emery.

    The problem was Emery.

  36. Tom

    If it was The Clown v Jose.
    Jose all day long
    ——————

    Except it never was , was it, CG.

    I haven’t seen this much back paddling since that day my folks took me to see the circus for my sixth birthday.

  37. Habesha Gooner

    Un na naai
    To be honest All of those players above don’t fill me with confidence.I would sell them all if we could find better replacements. I used to like watching Ozil play and now I think he should go in the summer. Auba is a strange one. He always manages to find the net eventhough his overall game is poor.
    The only reason I talked about AMN is because he was the topic of conversation. Any way My problem with him stems from these two points
    1) lack of concentration:- He has this moments where he miscontrols a ball or gives the ball away just because he doesn’t concentrate. Remember the EL final.
    2) defensively he is not intelligent:- He sometimes gets too tight to a player or Gives them too much space. Actually this has been a problem for most of our defenders. Not knowing to dropoff or Get tighter is a big problem. ( Mustafi vs Abrham 2 weeks ago).

    Now I am not writing him off completely but the last two games have to become the norm if he is going to be good enough for us. The past two seasons he has been poor and he needs to do better.

  38. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Leno

    Medely holding Maranoupos Saka

    Marty willock
    Callebos

    Nelson Martinez Pepe

    Sor5 of team I’m expecting tomorrow

  39. CG

    Tom

    “””Except it never was , was it, CG.”””

    Well, I think you will find The Spiv had a meeting with Jose- so it was very much on the cards.

    I am not backtracking whatsoever
    Jose Mourinho would have been a very good Arsenal manager like he will be a very good manager at Spurs.

    Let’s hope Arteta can achieve a 1/10 th of what Jose’s achieved in his career….because if he does- it means we will be winning trophies.

    European Cups at Inter Milan and Porto
    2 League Championships at Chelsea.

    Ain’t too bad…..eh…?

    I don’t fall for all this cobblers-he is past it

    Form is temporary.
    Class is permanent.

    I bet you he wins more trophies at spurs than Arteta does at Arsenal.

    And that’s not disparaging to Arteta- who is clearly talented.

  40. Pierre

    The sooner Arteta gets a trophy under his belt ,the better.

    Man city and Chelsea , before they won a league title , their first trophy was the league cup , and this took the pressure off the manager and the players to move onto bigger things.

    So when I hear some on Le Grove say that we shouldn’t be bothered about winning the FA cup , I dont think they look at the bigger picture.

    For Arsenal to be in the domestic showcase final with Arteta leading the team out, this would be such a massive boost to the club after such a dreadful start to the campaign.

  41. Pedro

    Pierre, I don’t think anyone is saying that winning the FA Cup wouldn’t be great. I think they’re saying that the manager might prioritize fitness and the Europa.

  42. CG

    Pierre

    “”””So when I hear some on Le Grove say that we shouldn’t be bothered about winning the FA cup , I dont think they look at the bigger picture””””

    Totally agree.
    Huge opportunity tomo.
    But then they dont know soccer like us Pierre.

    That’s what the Fergies ,Wengers ,Jose’s, Peps ,Klopps do.

    Win trophies.
    And win them regularly.
    And That’s why they last so long at The Top.

    Barring Fergie – No one in the history of the games wins more trophies than Jose …..so to write him off is plain foolish….

  43. Marko

    Arteta should be focused on improving our league position and trying to get us back into the Champions League i.e the Europa League. Not the FA Cup it’s a total irrelevance to the club it achieves and helps us with nothing.

  44. Pierre

    Pedro
    I would put the league and the cups on equal standing.

    We are 10th in the league and unlikely to get top 4 , so why not prioritize the fa cup for the next few weeks. .

    Europa is still 6 weeks away so let’s win the next few rounds of the fa cup and then see where we are.

  45. Un na naai

    Arteta should focus on the league and that’s it

    All cup competitions right now are secondary and should be used to give our young players experience and game time.

    So may of you complained of just qualifying for the champions league without winning it for a decade so now qualifying is a big deal?
    It’s best to keep the main players fit and aim for top 4
    We are more likely to achieve champions league that way as we have the beating of most of the teams in our league
    Cup competitions are harder to win than finishing in the top 4

  46. Tom

    CG, Didn’t the both parties deny the meeting took place?
    I know Arsenal did.

    No one is questioning Mourinho’s CV but, like Valentine has pointed out up thread, the conditions that made his past successes possible no longer exist.

    Likewise, might as well cite Wenger’s early years accomplishments to prove he’s still tops.

    Mourinho has a better chance of success with the Spurs because half their squad is already filled with snide borderline cheaters: Son, Dale, lamela , Kane, Dier ……, players who are primed for Jose’s “us against the world “style that worked so well at Chelsea in his first stint.

    Arsenal players have none of these characteristics.
    Need I remind you how Jose describe Ozil’s style of tackling?
    He made a rabbit-like posture and hopped around Mezut while other Real Madrid players watched in amusement.

    Mourinho would’ve been a total disaster at Arsenal and since you are so concerned with Arsenal finances , I might add ,he cost United 20m to send him packing.

  47. Pierre

    Un
    We’re 10th in the league, 4th spot is improbable.
    Top 6 is probable.

    Trophies bring the feel good factor to a club .
    Finishing 5th or 6th brings no excitement to the fans .
    quarter finals, semi finals and finals are what the fans love watching .

  48. CG

    Marko

    “”””Not the FA Cup it’s a total irrelevance to the club it achieves and helps us with nothing.”””””

    That’s your opinion

    My opinion- its the best tournament in soccer.

    The only tournament left- where you cant loose 1 game…..so in essence it’s the hardest to win.

    Sure you may not receive the revenue of the CL- but who cares:

    A) it ain’t our money
    B) it will be wasted on players ,players wages and agents fees- like it always does.
    C) CL is rigged anyway….seeding teams etc.

    Nothing beats winning The FA Cup on a Saturday afternoon.
    Abide with Me.

    Nothing.

    I am predicting in 2020

    Arsenal V Spurs final….
    Arteta v Jose.

    Its destiny.

  49. Pierre

    Hillwood
    “Ask George Graham about the importance of winning silverware in your first season”

    Correct, the league cup gave the players belief , which is everything in football.

    Pochettino won nothing because he was always after the holy grail of champions league or prem so the players never had that feeling of lifting a trophy so they always choked in the big games.

  50. CG

    Pierre

    “””Pochettino won nothing because he was always after the holy grail of champions league or prem so the players never had that feeling of lifting a trophy so they always choked in the big games.””””

    Pierre having a storming 2020
    Correct.

    Our Wenger always had his team at the optimum when the trophies were handed out.

    Dont think under Wenger- Arsenal ever played badly in a cup final.

    They never froze.
    They were always ready to Collect.

    What was is 14 trophies lifted …..at Cardiff/Wembley?

    Staggering.

  51. Pierre

    Marko
    As you have gone strangely quiet, hich is unusual, I will answer the Ray Parlour question for you .

    He didn’t have a best position because he was equally good and effective in central midfield or right midfield .

    He had his best season of his career at right midfield in 1997/98 season but he played a large part of his career in central midfield .

    So when you say ” Ray Parlour knew his best position” , that is not actually true.

    Was it right side or centre mid?

  52. Kay

    @Pierre

    Disagree with 10th and rightinh off top4.

    Win the next 3 games and we will be right in the mix.

    If our players are struggling to compkete 90 mins in Pl, then got sacrifice FA cup. Just play the kids as Pool do.

  53. Pierre

    Kay
    “@PierreDisagree with 10th and rightinh off top4.”

    Well, we are 10th and and I said top 4 was improbable not impossible.

  54. Un na naai

    Pierre

    It may well be improbable but I’d still rather we keep our best players fresh for the league
    Had emery done the same last year we’d be in the champions league now. Either way I think our primary focus has to be league games
    I respect the fa cup but it’s more important that we regain some status
    If we overuse our first team in cup games and falter in the league it brings all sorts of potential draw backs.
    We have young players who need game time too which is important if our limited budget stories turn out to be true

  55. Redtruth

    Arsenal winning 3 FA Cups in the latter part of Wenger’s career is nothing special. Luton Town would have a great opportunity of winning the FA Cup were the competition taken seriously and not ridiculed as a wooden spoon event.

  56. Lego Hair

    Pierre google didn’t come up with a definitive answer for Marko on Parlour.

    A club legend but for years struggled for form and consistency. One of the best utility players we have ever had and testament to him when he covered for Petit, Vieira, Gilberto in the centre we never looked weaker.

    Solid 7/8 in RM or CM.

  57. kristoman

    My GOD
    mourhino bought his trophies, but pep did not, klopp did not. This is highest stupidity there is. Arsenal fans, nothing could be more dumber than them

  58. Un na naai

    RedtruthJanuary 5, 2020 21:50:29
    When Mourinho starting buying trophies at Chelsea in 2004 is when i wrote him off as a serious Manzger

    Yeah cos fergie and pep never did
    Only guys who hadn’t were wenger and ranieri

  59. Un na naai

    Marko
    “I mean Ray Parlour knew his best position he knew what he was”So what position was that Marko.

    Marko
    What? Dennis bergkamp came through as a right back at Ajax
    Ashely Cole as a forward

    Bellerin thierry and rvp as wingers

    That comment means less than nothing
    Players can adapt to new positions
    Especially young ones who are willing to learn
    You’re writing him off for the sake of it

    Are you going to deny this one in a few weeks too like your last lot of big calls?

  60. CG

    UN

    “”Yeah cos fergie and pep never did
    Only guys who hadn’t were wenger and ranieri”””

    Correct.

    No one has won as many trophies as Our Wenger- with so little outlay.

    (No one in the History of The Game.)

    Problem is UN- people become spoilt.
    And always want more…..and more….human nature I guess.

    If Abramovich never come to town -he would still be in his post… with another 3 League titles minimum.

    But I suppose that was Wengers Fault too- the collapse of The Soviet Union.

    Anyway Great to see Wengers Captain- Arteta continue his legacy though.

    Wengerism will always be alive and kicking at modern Arsenal.

  61. Un na naai

    Anyway Great to see Wengers Captain- Arteta continue his legacy though.Wengerism will always be alive and kicking at modern Arsenal.

    CG you sly old bean
    You know full well that one is going to have them slathering and foaming at the mouth. Baying for Arteta to fail.

  62. Un na naai

    2 films for all you movie buffs out there

    Memories of murder and Parasite

    Both Korean
    Both very very good.
    Not in the same league as old boy and I saw the devil for me but still much better than the watered down, paint by numbers tosh that Hollywood serves up

  63. CG

    Kristo

    “”””””So abrahimovic is the reason wenger never won another title?
    wow just wow”””””””

    1000000000000000000% Yes.

    He was winning them before he arrived…..

    Wasnt He?

    Pre Abramovich – Wengers Arsenal went 30 Games unbeaten against Chelsea.

    Man City and Chelsea 8 titles nothing to do with money whatsoever.

    They just happened organically.

  64. kristoman

    I am arsenal fan
    but this notion that we couldn’t compete for titles again because money doping is quite frankly making me look stupid to call myself an arsenal fan. It is the most dumbest excuse i ever heard in my almost 25years i have supporting arsenal

  65. Valentin

    Un na naai,

    Porto was and is still the biggest club in Portugal. They were able to concentrate on European competition as they had the league sewn up.
    Look back to their record in the 2004 Champion’s League.
    Mourinho was a good manager, but let’s not pretend that he had a team of no hoper win the Champion’s League after winning games against giants of the game. He beat Monaco, Lyon, Deportivo La Coruna.
    The only decent team they had during their run to the final was ManUtd in the round of 16 and they got extremely lucky with some very lucky decisions including a blatantly non-offside disallowed goal. Also like the previous season in the Europa League their constant diving and gamesmanship was not punished by referees.

  66. Graham62

    I think if Mr Wenger had been capable of utilising our own money a little bit more wisely, he would have achieved far greater success.

    It was just another excuse that a few gullible folk bought into.

    That’s right, folk like CG.

  67. CG

    Graham

    “””I think if Mr Wenger had been capable of utilising our own money a little bit more wisely, he would have achieved far greater success.””””

    Well 58 games after Our Wenger left- and 1/4 billion spent on players- we are sitting in 10th

    Wenger never had us 10th.
    Wenger had us 90% of the time in top 4.
    We also played sublime soccer 95% of time

    Looks like spending money badly at Arsenal is worse under this Regime than Wengers.

    Since The Great Man has left- we ain’t improved in one aspect of the club.

    Not one.

    But reassuringly , we have reverted to a form of Wengerism, in his ex skipper.
    Arteta

    That is reassuring and the correct path to follow.
    We can all agree on that.

  68. Jamie

    Hoarding record cash piles in the bank during a decade of historic low interest rates while the cost of player acquisitions skyrocketed year-on-year.

    Sweet economics degree. Totally worth.

  69. Valentin

    Jamie,

    Arsenal never hoarded huge pile of cash. The problem was that people with no economic sense were equating being cash reserve heavy at specific time of the year as being rich.
    Some of the Arsenal loan had covenants that imposed a certain level of cash to be held in the reserve. The rest was just spend during the fiscal year.
    Barcelona used to pay its player on a semi-annual basis rather than a monthly basis. If you looked at their numbers the day before pay day, you would have thought that they were swimming into cash. Yet one year, they had to take an emergency loan payment and sell one player that they bought the previous year just to be able to pay the salaries on time.
    The same with this year, people are of the idea that Arsenal has a pile of cash hidden somewhere. Yet for the second year running Arsenal made an operational loss. The difference being that this year it could not be covered by making money on selling properties or players.
    As reported by numerous newspaper, the year after the invincibles, Wenger did go to the board expecting to be able to buy more players to improve the team. He was told that instead of the expected 20 millions transfer pot on top of what he could generate (20 millions was a lot of money in 2004), he had nearly nothing. And that going forward the club had to generate at least 5 millions from the playing side every year for the next 7 years.

  70. TheBayingMob

    “ It is FA Cup weekend and I’m having to scour the internet to find places to watch it because America’s English football TV is as fractured as it is in the UK.”

    What?

    ESPN+ mate.

    $4.99 a month and every FA cup game is streamed live (no Gold nonsense). They also have the UFC for anyone who needs a weekly fix of gratuitous brutality (but there is extra subscription nonsense to deal with there)

  71. China1

    Valentin I don’t buy that one bit.

    We were playing CL football year on year whilst selling our best players on the regular and usually seasons when we spend bigger we’re also accompanied by significant sales as well so net wouldn’t be that high

    If you’re going to make bold claims against the widely accepted truth about how we hoarded cash you’ll need to provide more detailed evidence than just claims

  72. China1

    And Valentin if we never had any cash like you claim, why were wenger Gazidis fizman and co coming out every single summer and winter saying we can buy super players if we want to?

  73. Bojangles

    Been away, now catching up on comments.

    Un Na

    Agree totally with your comments re PhD. The guys obsessed with Bamford (has he really been banned again?) I think it’s due to Nam being Harvard grad and himself being at Backwater College.

    Starting to feel you and Norma are one and the same too..lol. Every new guise she uses, always taking the fight to your adversaries. You always backing her too no matter how obnoxious her remarks.

  74. Valentin

    China1,

    Trump can pretend to be a multi billionaire with great business acumen man, yet his accounts show that it is not the case.
    Forget what people say, look at the account. Go to AST web site and read what they say.

    Only in 2013 did Arsenal’s budget started to benefit from the Emirates’s move and the bigger Premiership deal.

    If you want more easy to read numbers and conclusion read the Swiss ramble for the 2013-2014 seasons.

    http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2014/09/arsenal-money-changes-everything.html?m=1

    “What is encouraging for Arsenal is that they are no longer so reliant on player sales or property development to make money, so the core business is improving. In previous years, much of the club’s excellent financial performance has been down to profits from player sales (e.g. £65 million in 2011/12, £47 million in 2012/13) and property development (e.g. £13 million in 2010/11, £11 million in 2009/10).E

    Excluding those once-off factors would have meant that Arsenal actually made substantial losses in the previous two years: £31 million in 2011/12 and £45 million in 2012/13. This is now down to a far more manageable £3 million loss in 2013/14.

    Arsenal’s role as a pseudo property developer is largely coming to an end with turnover down to £3 million, compared to £38 million the previous season, which included the sale of the major site at Queensland Road.”

  75. Dissenter

    Arsenal sacked Emery in an very classy way
    Emery ta.king to Bellegue [football London ]
    ““I told Raul that I’d prefer the footballers to come to me individually instead of me going to the changing room and making a speech.

    “And they all came, apart from Lucas Torreira. He couldn’t make it but left us a message.

    “He was receiving a massage at that moment but all the players came. I also got messages from Koscielny and from Welbeck and I thank them all. But now is the time to go home.”

    It wasn’t rancorous at all, just another merry-go round that players go through in their careers. We goners have been insulated from managerial changes thanks to Wenger’s 22 year reign.
    It’s contrary to the things that get written here about the former manager. His stint at Arsenal was unsuccessful and doesn’t deserve more than a footnote with tiny font. He, however doesn’t deserve the continued lies that get written by the usuals.

  76. Words on a Blog

    Valentin,

    This is all old ground now, water under the bridge, and the situation no longer holds.

    But during the period 2012-17 Arsenal was very much super-cash rich. At one point, the Swiss Ramble analysis showed Arsenal alone having more cash holdings than the other 19 premier league clubs combined. And that wasn’t just down to real estate gains. I remember Pedro regularly blogging about our stockpile of cash at the time.

  77. Words on a Blog

    Valentin,

    Oh and at the time only a fraction of Arsenal’s cash horde was required by the loan/bond covenants on the stadium debt.

  78. Words on a Blog

    Pedro,

    No need to go over all those old frustrations. All in the past now. As is Emery.

    I am beginning to share your opinion that we’re on the verge of something big with Arteta. But it may well be a bumpy road along the way, at least to begin with.

  79. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Personally don’t think we will sign anyone in jan…

    Why the club not accept the 10 for Michi .?

    If w3 go for a loan deal why not go for a young player at cub…
    Like John stones or Lewis dunk.

  80. bennydevito

    Good podcast Pedro, except the sound quality was very low, had to turn my media volume right up to hear it but it improved later on.

    Regarding player improvement I happen to think AMN and Iwobi improved significantly under Emery, and he did us a favour putting Saka, Willock, Nelson and Martinelli into the squad too.

    A lot of the more senior players regressed though for sure, but I think that’s more to do with their confusion at the lack of understanding of Emery’s communication and his constant tactical changes every game.

    It’s obvious already within 3 games that Arteta knows exactly what to do with our players, their correct positions and how to get the best out of them. I’ve been extremely impressed.

    Looking forward to tonight to see how he handles the FA cup. I’d like him to take it seriously and try to win it. I think it will do wonders for our confidence, convince our players that staying here will be good for their trophy aspirations and make us attractive to transfer targets.

    Arteta to be the first Arsenal manager to win the FA cup as a player and manager since George Graham.

  81. Spudnik

    Oi. Un Na aii whatever the fuck your stupid name is. Black players do not mis-hear racist chants. The spuds might conclude that, but, the Arsenal never do. Cop yourself on or keep yourself to Breitbart.

  82. SP

    The money problem was real till around 2010-11. From 2012 , we had a lot of money. But Wenger refused to spend because he knew his tactics are outdated and fans will abuse him if he doesnt win titles despite spending money. Hence the circus continued for few more years.

  83. China1

    What really is the link between arteta and wenger apart from being an ex player who favors offensive football?

    I don’t see any other similarities. Arteta is very detail driven and strategic, the absolute opposite of express yourself wengerball.

    Strategically they’re very very different managers

  84. Dark Hei

    China1

    People link them because Wenger bought Arteta who was an attacking mid, specifically to play in the deep lying role.

    And my assumption is that people assume that Arteta’s move to coaching has to do with that switch, because lo and behold, his mentor Pep is also a deep lying mid of the same vein.

    And also of course Wenger relies on Arteta in implementing the tactical direction to the squad. They have a close relation.

  85. China1

    I don’t follow the link with pep, I think it’s a coincidence

    As far as I can see he just is a former wenger signing who likes attacking football. High energy pressing, disciplined and highly organized setups etc were not wengers style

    His was freeform attacking football where good players were trusted to make the best of the setup rather than detailed situationed drilling and strategy planning etc

    From a managerial perspective they’re not similar at all imo

  86. Dark Hei

    China1

    Well I have to disagree. I think high energy pressing and discipline plus a high line was what Wenger always had in mind. He saw what Pep did at Barcelona and he tried to create a version of it at Arsenal.

    But he couldn’t pull it off. When Arsenal was moderately successful, it was because he had talented midfield generals like Arteta, Fabregas and Cazorla to implement it.

    Arteta is thus seen by many as the Wenger that Wenger himself wanted to become. But by then he was too old and too inflexible.

    The genius that we saw at the Manchester game was that Arteta’s midfield general wasn’t Cazorla-Coquelin. It was Xhaka-Torreira.

  87. Valentin

    I don’t get how people can honestly argue Arsenal was hoarding cash when the accounts clearly show that until 2014 Arsenal was making an operational loss every year but was saved by property and players sales.

    As explained by Swiss Ramble Arsenal may have had cash reserve but is was still making a loss. Being cash reserve rich is not the same as being rich.

    Only from 2013 was the purse open for the purchase of players. That is when mistakes were made. But hoarding cash was never one of them.

  88. Valentin

    China1,

    “And Valentin if we never had any cash like you claim, why were wenger Gazidis fizman and co coming out every single summer and winter saying we can buy super players if we want to?”

    Gazidis lied. Colour me surprised!
    Nobody was going out and tell the world that Arsenal is going to be broke for the next 10 years.

  89. Valentin

    China1,

    There is two aspects of coaching: the vision of the football you want and the training method you are going to use to implement that vision.

    Arteta is closer to Wenger than Pep in term of vision of football. However he is closer to Pep in method of training.

    Wenger was not very directive. Pep is very detailed oriented. Arteta has already say that he is not interested in possession per se. His preferred style of play is much more direct than the refined version of tiki-taka than ManCity is played.

  90. Dark Hei

    Valentin

    Yes, I actually was quite nutty back then. Nutty enough to look at their financial statements.

    So let me get some facts straight.

    1. Yes we were hoarding cash.

    2. At the same time we weren’t as profitable as we wanted because the market had overtaken us. You are right to say that it was the property that kept us in the black. But it failed to generate the profits we wanted because the property was spun off in 2010 which was a global crisis year.

    3. I got this feeling that cash was hoarded in Arsenal as a kind of collateral or fail safe for Kronke’s other investments. I hoped people can still remember how bad things were.

  91. Unai

    Can’t see many similarities between Wenger and Arteta’s style.

    Arteta’s teams are compact defensively, Wenger’s weren’t.

    Arteta clearly favours a high press, Wenger never employed this tactic.

    Arteta wants the ball moving forward pretty much as soon as its in play, Wenger’s later reign was personified by the sideways pass.

    Honestly, labelling Arteta as the next Wenger or Pep is fucking cringeworthy although i can see why some feel the need to do it but he’s his own man and we should be proud of that.

  92. Valentin

    Dark Hei,

    You don’t present any facts, just personal belief.

    Where were we hoarding cash?
    The account show that every years the so called pile of cash reserve were depleted by mid years and were replenished the following year by selling more property and players.
    The decision to split the property development business from the footbal one was taken because of the genuine fear that the property market was going to take Arsenal down. However it was never a clean one because of the legal covenants. The lenders did not let Arsenal move loans in a uncollaterised separated company that could default. Ironically that profited Arsenal in the subsequent years, because the property assets made more than anticipated.

    Arsenal loans were akin to property development bridge loans. In most case lenders have legal covenant of minimum cash reserve in case they decide to recall part of the loan. So it may look like the company sit on a pile of cash that it could use when in reality it can’t divert that pile of cash for anything else that what is written in its legal obligation.

  93. Valentin

    Unai,

    Forget the Wenger later years. His initial years was all about power, direct attack and press. Vieira and Petit were pressing the opposition, regaining the ball and swiftly passing to Overmars/Pires on the left, Wiltord on the right, Anelka/Henry/Kanu/Adebayor scoring in the middle.
    There were very few lateral passes in those teams. Our midfield was deeper because we played a 4-4-2 rather than a 4-2-3-1 that add one extra line and because none of our CBs could make the kind of Vertical passes than Luiz can.

  94. Unai

    Stop reaching Val, we were never a ‘pressing’ team under Wenger.

    We were a technically gifted transitional team who used our speed, quality and higher fitness levels to hurt the opposition.

    The need to credit Wenger for things that never happened is quite frankly sycophantic.

    Arteta clearly takes a more organised approach and believes in winning the ball high up the pitch swiftly, none of Wenger’s teams had this.

  95. Un na naai

    SpudnikJanuary 6, 2020 02:25:34
    Oi. Un Na aii whatever the fuck your stupid name is. Black players do not mis-hear racist chants. The spuds might conclude that, but, the Arsenal never do. Cop yourself on or keep yourself to Breitbart.

    I’m just reporting what I read in the largest national newspaper in the UK

    None of the fans in the surrounding area heard or reported anything
    The cameras picked nothing up
    There is no evidence to support his claim. And yes, human beings, black, football players or otherwise mis year things. Especially in the heat of the moment surrounded by 70,000 screaming football fans

    Simply saying he’s black and black people don’t mis hear things means less than nothing.

    As I said, I simply posted a reply to Marc, stating what I’d read on the matter. I could t give two shits either way what you think

  96. Un na naai

    UnaiJanuary 6, 2020 07:25:30
    Can’t see many similarities between Wenger and Arteta’s style.Arteta’s teams are compact defensively, Wenger’s weren’t.

    That’s a myth unai

    His teams from 96-06 were compact

    See our 99 goals conceded column and our run to CL final
    Still a record by the way

  97. Un na naai

    I don’t think wenger ever knew his tactics were outdated

    China
    They weren’t really until he sold rvp
    And even then we served up some of the best football this country has ever seen
    Some of the one touch stuff we played off Giroud was next level

    Wilshere’s goal vs Norwich being a notable example and rosicky vs Sunderland (I think)

  98. Leedsgunner

    Nketiah is back. I’ve long rated him as a player and I want him to succeed at Arsenal.

    However at the present moment we need defensive reinforcements.

    Brighton is looking for a striker. What about proposing a swap loan deal that suits both clubs?

    We get Lewis Dunk, a player approaching the peak of his career with an optional clause to buy for say £20m if he does well… with Brighton being offered the same? (Although if we could manage it I’d insert a first refusal buy back option clause for Nketiah if he does well.)

  99. Unai

    Un, at no point did I say we weren’t great defensively.

    We were outstanding but lets not pretend this was because of Wenger’s footballing ethics.

    What I object to is people crediting Arteta’s style to Wenger when they are clearly vastly different both from a basic organisational standpoint and tactically too. Its completely unnecessary.

  100. Un na naai

    Well I have to disagree. I think high energy pressing and discipline plus a high line was what Wenger always had in mind. He saw what Pep did at Barcelona and he tried to create a version of it at Arsenal

    Not entirely true dark hei
    He had his tikka takka going before Fabregas even got into the side. He certainly had it going before pep was using it.
    We played the best football in Europe during his time at arsenal

  101. Un na naai

    Unai

    When he first came he adapted to what he had and used the squad to the best of its ability
    That meant staying tight and compact and nicking a goal at the other end
    He brought in paddy v and Reno Garde to bring defensive solidity to midfield.
    He then added Grimandi the following season with petit. Whilst giving us over mars and anelka to add pace on the break

    How many of our goals in those early seasons were from counter attacks?
    Long balls in behind or over the top for anelka or overmars to run onto? A lot.

    We were a counter attacking side at first and once Henry came in and then pires he changes the style of play to a much more possession based style

  102. Unai

    Un,

    How many of our goals in those early seasons were from counter attacks?
    Long balls in behind or over the top for anelka or overmars to run onto? A lot.

    I’m with ya on this, that’s why i called early Wenger teams, transitional. We absorbed pressure and destroyed teams with power and pace. No argument on that front.

    Perhaps we can pull the word ‘compact’ as yes, you could probably consider the counter attacking approach to being built on a compact base but your reaching if you want to say Arteta’s quick return to formation behind the ball has anything to do with Wenger.

    Similar perhaps but in a very basic sense.

  103. Leedsgunner

    Incredible I know but apparently Mustafi is apparently rated in the Bundesliga.

    If they are open to it why not offer Mustafi plus some money (say £10m) for Jonathan Tah over at Bayern Leverkusen?

  104. Pierre

    Personally, I dont think we play the “high press” consistently under Arteta.

    There are times in a game when we do press with intensity, but this is not consistent, especially in the 2nd half of games.

    Whether this is a fitness aspect, it is a possibility

    I think Arteta demands that the players quickly get goalside of the ball when the opposition are in possession to limit their ability to expose our defence.

    Aubamayang, Pepe and Ozil are not players that can press with real intensity but they can be conditioned to position themselves correctly when we haven’t got the ball.

    What Arteta has managed to do in a short period of time is to not let players get isolated whilst on the ball.

    He wants the player in possession of the ball to have options to pass to , this goes back to the positioning of players on the pitch, which has been neglected in the last 18 months.

  105. Danny S

    Wenger relies heavily on total football. There were no real tactics or strategies other than having better players than the opposition and being fitter.
    As football evolved and teams caught up with fitness, then more money started flooding in and more innovative coaches, Arsenal got left behind. Then Wenger started neglecting any kind of defensive strategies in favour of pure attacking football and we didn’t have the players to do it. Mainly due again to wengers dealings in the transfer market.
    Unfortunately Wenger was a one trick pony , I wouldn’t credit any kind of style to him.

  106. CazOnARola

    We need to test as many players as we can today. Exiting to leads at home, some it undos some of the positive vibes, is still a lesser blow than losing one of the first 11 players to an injury because of excessive load.