Transfer rumours hotting up as Arteta admits we’re in market

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It’s a quiet weekend for Arsenal fans as we play legendary Marcelo Bielsa on Monday night in the FA Cup.

My Uncle is a Leeds fan, home and away back in the day, he reckons they’ll rest heavily as they’re 9 points clear of the chasing pack for promotion and they have a tiny squad with a Chairman who doesn’t want to spend.

Arsenal will no doubt look to field a weakened squad.

I think Mikel is going to want to see what some of the kids can do for us. He doesn’t have a league cup to work with this season, so this is a good chance to start players like Willock, Saka (start him as a winger), Burton, Matteo, John-Jules and Eddie. Also a good chance for Ceballos to show he can cut it in the Premier League after a very stuttery start to his career. I also think he’ll be acutely aware that his players are dropping like flies and will continue to as he works with Shad to upgrade their fitness levels.

The FA Cup is important, we all love a day out, but it’s not more important than having a fit team to chase top 4 in the Premier League, and more importantly, giving us some solid foundations to make a good go of the Europa League when it starts back up in February.

Before we move onto transfers, can someone explain this?

I think the brain-trust at Arsenal met over the past couple of days to discuss what’s happening with loan players, and I’ve no doubt they’re working out what they can get away with until the end of the season.

Auba reckons the English press are talking shite about him wanting away right now, I have to say, if his performances are anything to go by that’s absolutely true. I also suspect Granit Xhaka might give Arsenal a second chance, Hertha Berlin under Klinsmann sounded rough, but now Arteta is here, surely it must be a touch vom-inducing? The manager has worked out where his strengths are and figured a way to limit his weaknesses inside 3 games… an unreal achievement, and potentially the key to a lot of success in the backend of the season.

A false three… still makes me damp. I absolutely love that all the tactics nerds are perving over our minutes now. Makes a change to have an innovative coach in the dugout, doesn’t it?!

Chambers looks to have a very serious injury, that leaves us short a centre back. There’s talk about us loaning Boateng for the rest of the season, a move I really don’t like the sound of. Asking old players to adapt to a fast league rarely works out. The fact Bayern are saying they’ll take a zero fee tells you all you need to know there. There’s also a lot of hot talk about Upemacano, a player I falsely said had a bad knee because a website had duff data. I struggle with this one as Leipzig are in a title fight and though they are savvy business folk, I’m not sure they’d need to sell. That said, he is down to 18 months, they might want to cash in because they fear he’ll mail it in like Alexis did. The cretin.

A move that intrigued me was Umtiti. He was rumoured to be in the ground for the United game. He’s played about 7 games this season and could be open to a loan. Reeks of contacts scouting, but if he’s fit, you can’t deny he’s not a world-class operator and at his peak at 25 years old.

I’d also like to see us invest some power into the midfield. Ndidi is a fantasy, but a player of his ilk with a good range of passing is something we’ve cried out for over the years.

I have to say, I knew the squad was better than we thought, but I really wasn’t convinced Torreira could hit the heights we were looking for. I worried he was too small to hack it. 3 games in and he’s looking and absolute world-beater.

There are some rumours doing the rounds about Matteo potentially being moved on at some point. Some rumblings that his warm-up the other day wasn’t very good and he was called out. I have also heard that behind the scenes, his attitude has not been up to the standards you’d expect of someone so young. He’s a great talent, but he’s not performing. If his values don’t map to the clubs, he’ll be moved on. Hopefully, it’s just a case of being a dope, like most of us were at 20 years old. Surely he can see that he’s at the right place to elevate his talent?

The Max Aarons story is also one to watch. According to rumour, the club are worried about the lack of pace Bellerin has shown since he returned, so they’re considering Aarons who is very fast with lots of stamina. Have to admit, I thought the same when I’ve watched the Spaniard this season, he’s looked half a yard short. Hopefully that’s just part of the deal when you return from a serious injury, would love to have him back at the top of his game.

Right, that’s all I have today, more of a Leeds preview tomorrow. x

P.S. Jump on the podcast, I’m on with Matt.

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  1. Habesha Gooner

    2 things that I wouldn’t like arsenal to do in this transfer market

    1. Sign Old players like boateng on long term ( at least two years) contracts. We should sign the likes of him on loan for six months if we think we are in an injury crisis or we loan out mustafi. We need a real solution at centerback, not cheap players who wouldn’t improve is long term.

    2. Sign attackers when we have a lot of available options in the squad. That would be a poor management of resources if no one is leaving.

    The full back position Can wait till summer if Kolasinac and Niles can play as they did against United. I have been one of Niles’s biggest critics but the last two games he has been Imperious.
    And unlike most here I still have faith in bellerin.

  2. azed

    He came in over trained the players.
    The players starting picking up injuries.
    To remedy the intensity of the fixtures in England he the went the other way and didn’t train the players hard enough.

    Please provide the proof to back up the assertion that he didn’t train the players enough.

  3. Batistuta

    Good two games from AMN but we bees to upgrade that position

    Kolasinac can have a good game here or there but we may need to upgrade that position of Tierney is never going to stay fit

    Good couple of games from Xhaka but again, can’t compete at the highest level with midfielders who can’t run

    All of that on top of needing to address the CB position with quality

    Also the utter delusion that Jack Wilshere is more of a talent than world cup winning, serie a winning Paul Pogba…

  4. PhD2020

    azedJanuary 4, 2020 15:23:07
    My point being, casual running 12k,is a whole different complete process from running 12k timed or with intensity..

    Well said PhDFootball is 90 mins no matter the coach
    —-
    Too be fair,the coach designs the program.Or has different coaches,assigned for different parts of the training regime.

    So,we had a strengthing and conditioning coach..That would implement things like bounding,core work,etc,etc..

    We had another coach that would implement the running program.Well known international coach.

    And another coach for the latter part of the training regime..As in the lunges,star jumps,press ups,etc…

    But it was all co-ordinated…Tailored to international athletes level.

    Yes,if you did not put in the work,you would suffer and be left behind.Sometimes,as a shock tactic,they would throw in a few women into the men’s group,to make you up your level a bit.

    Trust me,the women they used to throw in,were like 800m-1500 metres runners,that would just run for miles.Like,they would be clocking 65-70 sec 400 metres run times…And just run endlessly.
    By the time,we’d finish our session as 400metre runners,these 800m-1500m are still going..Lapping up the track into late evening..

    So,when we are having to do 4/5x500metre runs,as an example during winter training..It was hell..

    The shame was being beaten by a woman ,or overtaken in any of those laps by them.So,you had to up your game..And during the week,eat right,sleep right and even possibly train more..Do extra runs..So,that there was no possibility of you being overtaken by a 800m-1500m female runner,should the coach throw them in as a shock factor.

    Cos’ ,if you were overtaken by a female.My gosh,the trash talk you would have to deal with after..You would not return ever to the club..
    Career suicide…

    Psychological and physical torture I tell you…

  5. Lego Hair

    Azed

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6583075/Arsenal-boss-Unai-Emery-reveals-adapting-intense-training-sessions.html

    ‘ Arsenal manager Unai Emery is adapting his infamously intense training sessions due to burn-out fears.

    The Gunners boss has admitted he has reduced the workload of some of his players to ensure they are in good shape going into the business end of the season.

    Some players have been taken aback by quite how intense Emery’s sessions are since his arrival in the summer.‘

    I think this is the point where you shut up now. Your ignorance on this fitness issue is blinding.

    And why keep mentioning Freddie? He was in charge for 3/4 weeks with per as
    his assistant.

    It’s amazing the lengths you’re going to defend Emery and his shit show.

    Let it go. Listen to the words that the players and new manager spoke. They aren’t lying to us.

  6. Marko

    Exactly Bati. One win and a couple of decent showings (in the first halfs mostly) does not a squad/player/team make. We still need a RB we still need to address the defence and midfield. It doesn’t change those facts

  7. Marko

    He was when they were both 19-20

    He wasn’t at any point in their respective careers. Jack Wilshere was never in the same league as Paul Pogba by any metric known to man. He’s been glorified by brainless Arsenal fans his whole career but in reality it’s never really happened for him.

  8. Habesha Gooner

    Bati and Marko Realistically We aren’t getting a DM, A CB, A LB and a RB in the January window. I too think we need to upgrade fullbacks but a CB and A CM/DM is more of an issue for me.

  9. bennydevito

    KazJanuary 4, 2020    15:30:16

    @Benny, Cantwell and Grealish over a motivated Ozil??

    Sell BOTH our main strikers in the same window??

    This is why you aren’t a manager 😛

    Grealish has looked very good, I need to watch more Cantwell but they don’t get ahead of Ozil.

    Willock & ESR will also improve massively with Arteta so we should be patient.

    Another point, we should absolutely go for the FA Cup. Yes we will have to rest players but we should not do a totally depleted side.

    >>>>

    At 31 and on £350K per week, and a couple of games aside, shite for the last 3 years, yes; Grealish and Cantwell most definitely get ahead of Ozil.

    Ozil’s wages would cover theirs and at 24 and 21 we could build our team around them for the best part of the next decade.

    Spurs, Utd and City are after them so why shouldn’t we try? And if Villa and Norwich both go down we could get them both at good prices.

    It’s a no brainer.

    Aubameyang is 31 and Lacazette 29 this summer. Aubameyang will only have 1 year left and wants a move. His pace will go very soon and he misses a lot of chances.

    Maybe keep Lacazette on for 1 more year but in my opinion we need to refresh the squad and ship out the high earners and geriatrics.

    Just my opinion.

  10. PhD2020

    Not wishing to bore you all..
    So,the winter training would be different..For 400m runners anyway.

    So,sometimes we would have to do 4/5 X500 metres with a 150metre walk back..I’m assuming that’s roughly about 60 seconds.Might be wrong.But felt like 10 seconds,so we used to walk forward extra slow.
    And we’d do it in reverse.As in run,500 metres the other way,walk forward for 150metres then run back for 500 metres,etc,etc.

    Sometimes we’d do 3x 600metres-timed again,with rest recovery of maybe 3 minutes.
    A couple of 800m x2 sometimes,all on different days mind you..

    As we would venture into the spring/summer season,or past winter..We’d focus more on shorter distances…So,the training program,would be more sprint -oriented.
    Training program would involve,4 x200m-again timed..Usually looking around 30 seconds with a 100m recovery..Or 6x150metres.
    As 400m is about speed endurance…

    If you were joining late, as a new entrant.A program would be tailored for you.But what was essential,was getting the winter training behind you,as this was the core of the whole season,that sets you up for the competitive racing season.

    Without this,you would not really have a chance to compete in race meetings.As,you would be realistically behind your peers,who had done the background work..

    So, essentially,you would be looking at next season as a target to compete.Basically, getting the winter training behind you.The core work.

  11. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 4, 2020 16:14:55
    Exactly Bati. One win and a couple of decent showings (in the first halfs mostly) does not a squad/player/team make. We still need a RB we still need to address the defence and midfield. It doesn’t change those facts

    What’s clear is your inability to grasp how effective good coaching is and how poor non coaching has made our current squad appear to the untrained eye.

    The midfield has been addressed
    The defence has been addressed
    What we are seeing now is more transformative than just keeping emery but buying a new full back and centre half.

  12. DUIFG

    Just watching arsenal Tottenham highlight 2014, gnabry looks quality. Wtf was Wenger thinking freezing him out to play Wally week in week out

  13. Un na naai

    He’s been glorified by brainless Arsenal fans his whole career but in reality it’s never really happened for him.

    Marko
    This time a year ago you stipulated that coaching was fanciful and the only way to fix our defence and midfield was the the transfer market. Forgive my while I chortle heartily at any suggestion you put forward.

    As Pedro so succinctly pointed out. Your footballing opinion is based off google, social media and computer games.

    Mine is based on what I see and my superior understanding of the game.
    😉

  14. DUIFG

    Unaaai so sick of people thinking football is a game of fifa where basically everything is point less if you have on paper weaker players. Gambon and bamford are bad for this.

    If the only variable to performance was players then why would we even watch the sport? We could all may as well go home as the richest club would invariably win.

    Real Madrid should be cleaning up every single year. Its nihilistic and stupid. Love how arteta has blown this thing apart if it even warranted comment

  15. Biggles

    Yeah but but but Marko remember that one great game way been when against Barcelona?!

    Talking about left back, if we decided to try sell Kola and had issues with Tierney’s fitness, Barasic at Rangers is looking really good at the moment. 13 assists in 27 games.

  16. PhD2020

    Lastly,the crazy thing during the winter sessions..Was,as we were finishing for the evening by this time..It’s literally pitch dark around 8.30pm..On the other side of the track,is the Irish Hurdling team..

    Literally wacking lumps out of each other in pitch darkness..
    All,we can hear is the sound of the sticks cracking that ball in pitch darkness.I kid you not..Hearing,a few grunts,a few cries, a few screaming-‘ get on with it…’

    We’d shake our heads and say-those guys are crazy.But fair play to them,for their dedication…

  17. Un na naai

    Duifg

    Exactly mate

    What’s more satisfying than seeing your own players step up through footballing intelligence and the correct tactical set up?
    Our a youngster grasp the nettle and go on to become class?

    We as arsenal fans have been so fortunate to experiment this so many times
    When Thierry scores his first and went on to become the best player the premier league has seen
    Or rvp slowly and surely learning from Thierry, Dennis and others to master his own game and become one of the best players in the world in 2010-2012

    We all love a glitzy signing but let’s not pretend that it’s the exclusive method of improving your team.

    As you said
    This isn’t fifa. Anyone who went out and played the game knows

  18. Champagne charlie

    ”Talking about left back, if we decided to try sell Kola and had issues with Tierney’s fitness, Barasic at Rangers is looking really good at the moment. 13 assists in 27 games.“

    This should be good, Marko loves players from Scottish football haha

  19. azed

    Lego hair

    The Gunners boss has admitted he has reduced the workload of some of his players to ensure they are in good shape going into the business end of the season

    I’m guessing you don’t know the meaning of the word “some”.

    Like I told Valentin then, conditioning is tailored to individual players so when you say things like over trained the players, you mean the strength and conditioning coach got everything wrong.

    And why keep mentioning Freddie? He was in charge for 3/4 weeks with per as
    his assistant.

    Three weeks is enough to get the players into shape so if Emery was under training the players, Freddie and Per had enough time to rectify it.
    The question is why didn’t they?

  20. Hitman

    Guendozy’s career started nosediving as soon as we doubled his wages on the back of back a couple of decent performances last season.
    When will we learn our lesson. Socialist wage structure doesn’t work. It destroys average footballers. AW has left the building. Stop it.
    If you’re playing every game, scoring 12 goals per season from midfield, we get top 4 finish- you deserve a payrise. Not before.

  21. Marko

    Mine is based on what I see and my superior understanding of the game.

    Understanding of nothing. Time and again you’ve shown your ignorance and stupidity. Case in point Jack Wilshere best of his generation despite doing fuck all in his career.

  22. PhD2020

    azedJanuary 4, 2020 16:56:10
    Lego hairThree weeks is enough to get the players into shape
    —-
    Actually this is true..On average 3-4 weeks with the right programme..
    Certainly,each individual is different,some earlier,some later.But there would usually be a coach tasked,or assigned to you- with identifying what specific programme would be set for you,to bring you up to the required standard,within a designated time frame-injures permitting.

  23. Un na naai

    Biggles

    Why the fuck would we spend any money on a left back right now? Kolasinac looks made for the Arteta game plan
    As does Tierney
    As does Saka
    We have 3 capable left backs with Xakha as a false 3 see Pedro’s post above ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

    Left back is the last place we’d want to waste any of whatever budget Arteta is going to be given

  24. Marc

    Whilst I have no interest getting pulled in a he said / she said argument on fitness it’s quite clear that the players don’t have the fitness / stamina to do what Arteta wants for 90 minutes.

    What would be interesting to know is who was having the biggest say on the fitness aspect of training – Emery or the fitness / performance guy’s? If it was the fitness / performance guy’s are they up to the job / what will Arteta make of them?

  25. Marko

    Guendozy’s career started nosediving as soon as we doubled his wages on the back of back a couple of decent performances last season.

    I don’t think we actually gave him a new deal I think it was just being talked about in the media that we were thinking of it

  26. PhD2020

    MarcJanuary 4, 2020 17:05:33
    PhDAre you saying that there’s hope for me yet?

    Sorry, in terms of what?

    Competing with the female 800m -1500m runners?
    No chance..

    They would steam roller you,kick some dust into those sandy eyes of yours , flash their boobs to you, overlap you twice over,whilst you are on the floor screaming ‘Hail Mary-Mother of God’-whilst projectile vomiting on the track..

  27. HighburyLegend

    “Why… does this comic… have a picture of former Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger… as a Zombie”

    Because this is what Arsėne looks like nowadays. Nothing mysterious about that. Lol

  28. Pedro

    Marc, letting Emery bring in his own S&C person was utterly bizarre.

    No doubt Shad will get the players to the level they need to be.

  29. Marko

    Marc worth pointing out that despite Arteta bringing some staff with him he does seem to be missing a fitness coach I would expect that to get addressed eventually much to the annoyance of Pedro who has a thing about managers bringing their own fitness coach with them. It’s clear that he probably needs his own special guy to teach this 5 second pressing thing he’s got going on.

  30. DUIFG

    Guendouzi was never actually very good for us.

    I’m going to reserve judgement until arteta has worked with him but I was very worried when people were saying let’s build around guen. He needs to learn his position.he got given free reign too early in his career.

    Emery played a 20 yr old whi has jo clue how to play cm ahead of torr, it literally beggars belief how bad emery was.

  31. Marc

    Pedro

    Didn’t we recently trim some of the staff down? Sure I remember reading somewhere that we had people with over lapping roles.

  32. Marko

    Pedro I have to ask where does this issue with regards to a fitness coach come from? It’s mind boggling honestly literally every single coach brings their own guy with them. Mikel didn’t bring his own guy with him only because he doesn’t have his own guy yet. Carlo just brought his own guy to Everton. Jose has his own guy at Spurs. Jurgen brought his own guy. Pep too. Despite what you think Tuchel brought his own guy with him to PSG. I just don’t get it.

  33. G8

    It’s early days to claim that certain players have already been transformed by the Art and his special sauce.

    Could just be the new manager bounce and they will all soon revert back to their pathetic level of performance.

    The reassuring thing is that Arteta said commitment and hard work are not negotiable, and everyone has to buy into his ways, so..
    Let’s see..

  34. DUIFG

    I like don sangelli more for the way he is and looks rather than amh footballing accumen.

    We were inches away from bringing minchin in, solidifying emery and wasting another 3 years watching us play out from the keeper 2 yards to sok, sok to chambers and either a boot up field or a loss of possession as were boxed in. Emery was the worst ma ager in arsenals history, he was a terrorist,actively trying to destroy the club from the inside.

  35. Pedro

    Marko, what’s the specific weakness you’ve identified that Arteta, who is coach, not a fitness expert, will be personally hiring for?

  36. Marc

    G8

    Exactly – let’s see if Ozil is still putting in shifts in a couple of months.

    I do think that the club will back Arteta though so any players who act up / don’t perform he’ll have full backing to move them on.

  37. DUIFG

    I fully understand the need for a manger to bring in his own fitness man in.

    All else being equal the easiest way to get an uplift in performance is to get a fitter team. Apart from the ability to run being fit keeps your mind sharp when the opponent is tired, you are sharper on the ball.

    It’s no coincidence that biesla is known as a killer on the fitness front (potentially too much) and Peps Barca was the fitest side I ever saw

  38. Habesha Gooner

    I am the only one who has noticed every central defender Leicester bought since their title win has been a massive success. Maguire (bought 17 mil, Sold for 80 mil), Jhonny Evans (bought for 3 mil), Caglar Soyuncu (bought 18 mil now valued at over 50 mil). Filip benkovic (bought13 mil still young and at celtic)

    Now they are targeting merih demiral for 25.5 mil, He should be among our list of targets.

  39. Marko

    Is that because Arteta is happy with what we have in place?

    That he didn’t bring his own fitness coach? He didn’t have any prior to the Arsenal job he had no staff. I imagine he’ll end up adding one because like I said every couch has one. I’m not sure it’s a same role as shad honestly I think he overlooks things overall whereas Mikel should have a guy who puts people through warm ups etc. It’s weird though that Emery is being blamed for the fitness of the squad since he’s been gone weeks and shad would have been working with the squad since then doing what exactly. My guess is that it’s just a case of lazy fuckers phoning it in all season long now being asked to work hard and win the ball back quickly and they need to get used to it and quickly.

  40. Biggles

    Charlie, I know, it’s great for a response.

    Un na naai, sorry the bit about “if we decided to try sell Kola” was too difficult to grasp.

    Kola is our 4th highest earner after Ozil, Auba and Laca. He’s also not even a 1st choice starter. If we could cash in and get £20m for him and pick up a replacement for ~£6m you come out ahead. The £14m profit and £3.5m a year savings in wages can then be put towards other areas of the squad.

    On top of that, Saka is a better attacker than he is a defender. No need to Maitland-Niles/Oxlade-Chamberlain him. Leave him as a winger.

  41. G8

    Pedro No, but the narrative here was organisation, triangles, ozil commitment and full back tucking with the midfield!

  42. DUIFG

    Fitness is about intensity. When ozil looked like a lazy fucker he was still clocking 10k a match as he just followed players around aimlessly. We now have a plan to attack opponents in the ball, short sharp coordinated hunting sprints, it’s a different type kr fitness to lolling around foloowingbpkayers for 90 mins aimlessly

  43. PhD2020

    From my experience,good coaches come in various shapes and sizes..

    Some emphasize on technique.So,training is geared to this.Technique,technique,technique..But with that comes,intensity of training.Whilst,the training,fitness is there,it’s more intense and less voluminous.

    Then,you get other coaches-that run you to the ground.More emphasis on fitness and less on technique.
    They feel,if they get you up and running like a machine,then they can tweak a few things in your style of running or play.

    I tended to favour the coaches that were more focused on technique,as I had the natural fitness.

    I say,this,becuase I wanted to be a hurdler in athletics..I was dead set on 110m Hurdles.The coach,I had at tht time,was technique driven.Loved it,until,he identified,that I should move up to 400m hurdles..That’s when,I got pissed off.But he was right,for so many reasons.

    Partly,because,we are born with twitch fibres..I was not born with fast twitch fibres,but with medium twitch fibres.Therefore,as much as I wanted to be a sprinter-at the highest level,was not happening. Genetics-basically.
    So,it was 400metres hurdles.

    Being disillusioned,took some time out.Found another elite coach,same thing he said..400metres..
    I said,ok..But no hurdles…

    The difference was,he was more about running,less technique..
    But,I was able to marry both their coaching styles…

    Point being,maybe Arteta is more strategy and Emery was more fitness..
    Either way,the players should be able to marry both,or adopt the best from both worlds.Fitness is the platform,it really becomes about strategy at the elite level..This is where I think Arteta,comes to the fore.We will see..

  44. Un na naai

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  45. Marko

    Marko, what’s the specific weakness you’ve identified that Arteta, who is coach, not a fitness expert, will be personally hiring for?

    Pedro I asked you first mate what do you have with managers having their own fitness coaches with them? I assume that Arteta will be adding more to his coaching staff and with it a fitness and conditions coach because his actual staff is a bit small at the moment and it’s lacking a said fitness coach that every manager has with him.

  46. Pedro

    I see, so you think Shad needs a minion to do warm-ups, with your logical conclusion being that Arteta would handpick an expert into the Performance team.

    My thing with managers adding their own fitness staff is it is not their expertise and it gives them too much power. We should be a meritocracy, not an old boys club. Fitness expertise and decision making will be left to the people that know what they are doing.

  47. Marko

    I also remember Pep responding to media rumours about Barcelona being interested in Jack coming back with something about not being interested because they had plenty of players like him in la masia. Barcelona full of generational talents in their youth teams? Doubtful. It’s all just words though with Jack Wilshere. Bottom line is that he never kicked on at Arsenal, went out on loan to the mighty Bolton and Bournemouth’s of this world and when his contract was running down he went to the mighty West Ham. Hell even Ross Barkley when his contract was running down managed to get a move to Chelsea.

  48. Lego Hair

    Azed

    ‘ I’m guessing you don’t know the meaning of the word “some”.’

    Please Give it up this is becoming embarrassing. Some of the the squad so the lads that play the most games? The first 11 maybe?

    We weren’t fit enough under emery and we’re not fit enough now. It’s that simple and Emery oversaw this.

    Freddie had to get us doing the basics again and drag our confidence off the floor rather than working on fitness issues but you already knew this.

    You’re just flapping at anything to try justify and absolve emery of our fitness woes. Why?

  49. Un na naai

    From 19-21 Jack Wilshere was the standout central midfielder in Europe in his generation along with Paul Pogba

    I class jack as better than pogba back then and had he maintained his fitness and focussed on what he was good at he would have been in the top 3 in the world
    Now for me and let’s face it, this is a shitty generation for central midfielders.

    He was best coming from deep and running his way through the midfield opening space
    When he cane back from injury he was too bulked up and tried to be base his game on an all rounder rather than bing told to focus on what he did best. Use that technical ability
    He was at his best alongside a defensive midfielder who allowed him to get on the ball
    Once he started to try and mix his game up and dive into tackles it went south
    All that ability wasted because wenger didn’t know how to protect him

  50. Lego Hair

    Duifg

    ‘ Fitness is about intensity. When ozil looked like a lazy fucker he was still clocking 10k a match as he just followed players around aimlessly. We now have a plan to attack opponents in the ball, short sharp coordinated hunting sprints, it’s a different type kr fitness to lolling around foloowingbpkayers for 90 mins aimlessly’

    Bingo. Bang on the money.

    Azed thinks 10k ran is just 10k you get tired just the same and exert the same
    amount of energy.

  51. Pedro

    Lego, you also don’t work on fitness during a crunch time fixture wise. Clubs barely train during this period to protech players from injury. The idea that anyone could come in an impact where we are as squad now is ridiculous, you do that work in preseason… which was overseen by Emery.

  52. Valentin

    Marc,

    The original Emery’s fitness guy was let go even before Emery. Emery brought him above the Arsenal head of conditioning. The guy’s lack of knowledge of the EPL specificity was excused last season and Burgess was blamed. However this season there was nobody else to blame and he was just left exposed him and was let go.

    So Emery may have been let down by the fitness guy, but then he is the one who brought the guy instead of trusting Arsenal conditioning team. So the buck still stops with him.
    If you hire a dud who then spectacularly fails, in most case people will just associate the failure with you.

  53. Marko

    I see, so you think Shad needs a minion to do warm-ups, with your logical conclusion being that Arteta would handpick an expert into the Performance team.

    I can see we’re going down the rabbit hole again without an answer to my initial question. Yes I would imagine that eventually Mikel will bring in his own fitness coach. Like Emery had some guy named Masach who worked with Shad and before him Wenger had Tony Colbert who worked with Shad eventually Mikel will bring in his own guy who’ll work with Shad.

  54. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 4, 2020 17:38:29
    I also remember Pep responding to media rumours about Barcelona being interested in Jack coming back with something about not being interested because they had plenty of players like him in la masia. Barcelona full of generational talents in their youth teams?

    Marko
    Can you name me one single midfield player from la masia of that generation that came close to showing the sort of displays that Wilshere did? Just one? It was bollocks
    And no it’s not all words
    It’s the expertise of some of the best in the game telling you what they knew. This could was fucking top drawer. They didn’t say it about just anyone. Steven sidwell was never spoken of like this by gerrard neville xavi or anyone else

    Junichi inomoto wasn’t this highly regarded.

    He received this adulation because those at the top of the game saw what he was. They knew how good he was.
    They saw what he could do.
    Same as Joe Cole in a way except jack had/has a better footballing brain and could run a game from deep.
    It’s not just words. It’s experience and expertise

  55. DUIFG

    Jack got ravaged by injury, tennage Jack was unreal.

    When he came back simply not the same. Shame but happens. He never really nailed a position down either, esp once he came back never really settled and floated between an iniests role, 10 and further back. Shame. Wenger had a lot of players who never really made positions their own even though talent was there, ox and rambo in the same boat.hard to tell whether this was a players or a wenger problem. I lean towards wenger that he basically thought they were all elite a.d could do it all anywhere. To an extent in certain contexts they were but it does not mean that this approach worked.

  56. Thomas

    “I class jack as better than pogba back then and had he maintained his fitness and focussed on what he was good at he would have been in the top 3 in the world”

    ___

    Lololololol.

  57. Pedro

    Marko,

    Masach shouldn’t have been allowed to come with Emery. He was allowed far too many average staff to follow him to the club, which I noted at the time.

    Tony Colbert was a fucking disaster and only kept around because Wenger liked him, when Shad arrived, he was stripped of all power. He was basically a glorified PE teacher that played a huge role in crushing our players in the bad years.

    You aren’t asking questions, I am, because you seem to be acutely in the know about what is needed. Turns out you’re just making observations without the details.

  58. Marko

    My thing with managers adding their own fitness staff is it is not their expertise and it gives them too much power.

    Right but everyone and I mean everyone brings their own fitness coach with them. Which again makes your opinion or reasoning for it weird. Again even a basic read up on Shad suggests that there’s no overlap with what he does as head of performance and that of a conditions coach who puts players through their paces.

  59. Marko

    Can you name me one single midfield player from la masia of that generation that came close to showing the sort of displays that Wilshere did?

    Exactly peps point

  60. Un na naai

    Duifg

    Yes I know. I know he came back worse off. His game changed bulked up and all the rest but what I’m saying is before that injury, what he was, he was in the top 2-3 young central midfielders in the world at 19-20
    The top for me. Only Paul Pogba compared and look how he’s done. Yeah he’s won trophies but he personally never went on to fulfil that promise.
    What I’d give to have seen jack play injury free throughout his whole career and go on to be what he should have

  61. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 4, 2020 17:52:23
    Can you name me one single midfield player from la masia of that generation that came close to showing the sort of displays that Wilshere did? Exactly peps point

    Marko
    What? We have lots of kids just as good as this kid who have never ever produced performances anywhere near as good as this kid? That doesn’t make any sense Marko.

  62. Thorough

    I know there’s so much noise about this Aaron chap from Norwich but the right full back that has impressed me every time I’ve watched him is Doherty of Wolves. I’ve not checked his stats but he’s been mustard every time I’ve seen him play.

  63. Marko

    Masach shouldn’t have been allowed to come with Emery. He was allowed far too many average staff to follow him to the club, which I noted at the time.

    So you’re an expert on coaching staff now? Great cause I think Mikel might need help in bringing in a fitness coach.

    Pedro at some point you’re going to have to realize that your opinions on the subject of managers bringing their own fitness coaches with them are pointless and irrelevant given that every manager has one and brings one with them to new jobs. Since everyone does it your thinking that they shouldn’t kinda becomes not worth talking about. I wonder how you’re going to feel when Mikel brings in somebody eventually.

  64. PhD2020

    Lego HairJanuary 4, 2020 17:44:32
    Duifg
    Azed thinks 10k ran is just 10k you get tired just the same and exert the same
    amount of energy.
    —–
    Again,don’t mean to interject on this..

    But a simple example would be,you take an Olympian Record Holder for let’s say 10km-Kenenisa Bekele -clocked at 26mins:17:53 secs..

    Now,for an average runner-you are looking at 35-45 minutes.

    For a national level runner-on average-28-29 minutes

    Clearly there is a difference in intensity and at different levels.

    10km,is not just 10km. for all and sundry.If it were,we would all be completing it in similar time frames.

  65. DUIFG

    Unaai indeed, gen 1 Jack was the balls, gen 2 had facets of food but couldn’t touch gen 1, which is now why he plays for wh.sad

  66. Marko

    Marko, were you looking for the ‘he puts players through their paces’ in the write-ups of what he does?

    I was kinda dumbing down the difference between a head of performance and a fitness coach. I see it like having Driscoll and having a physio at Arsenal. Now you’re probably thinking why do we need a physio when we have your man Driscoll. Different roles I say. Power grab you might say.

    Look forget it I have no interest in having an argument with the one person who has a problem with managers bringing their own fitness coaches with them. Despite everyone doing it.

  67. CG

    Re Wilshere.

    In soccer you judge a player by 3 simple things.

    1) Does he scores goals?
    2) Does he assist in making goals ?
    3.) Can he stops goals?

    If you are good in 2/3 of the above- you have a player.

    Wilshere was impotent in every category.

    Jack’s biggest drawback same as Torrieras- these little buggers cant actually run properly.

    Watch them and they cant actually run.
    In 2020 – I am amazed Running Coaches are not employed by clubs.

    There is an art to actually running properly.

    If they could learn to run correctly- I am sure they would be so much more effective.

  68. Valentin

    Azed keep banging on his basketball days, but does not understand the basics of conditioning.
    He is unable to understand why I keep mentioning both stats the distance covered and the number of sprints in 90 minutes.
    Both have a direct impact on a player effectiveness. According to them they don’t matter!! If you are fit, you are fit!?
    He can’t see the difference between running 12km at a leisurely pace and running 12km with 6km at a leisurely pace interlaced with 6km in 120 sprints.

  69. PhD2020

    MarkoJanuary 4, 2020 18:12:44
    In 2020 – I am amazed Running Coaches are not employed by clubs.
    —-
    Footballers ,generally don’t like to run..

    Ideally,just kick the ball,play with it,toy with it,kiss it..Running is just a chore,a must…A bit like an artist,is happy to design..Dealing with paperwork,admnistration is a must..One cannot co-exist with out the other..

  70. Un na naai

    CGJanuary 4, 2020 18:08:39
    Re Wilshere.In soccer you judge a player by 3 simple things.1) Does he scores goals?
    2) Does he assist in making goals ?
    3.) Can he stops goals?

    CG

    Don’t talk bollocks
    What about pirlo? What about xavi? Xabi Alonso? Gazza? Paul scholes? Carrick? Essien?

    You’re stuck in your Bobby charlton-Bryan Robson days
    The game has moved on.

  71. Un na naai

    Both have a direct impact on a player effectiveness. According to them they don’t matter!! If you are fit, you are fit!?
    He can’t see the difference between running 12km at a leisurely pace and running 12km with 6km at a leisurely pace interlaced with 6km in 120 sprints.

    High intensity
    Massive difference

  72. azed

    The original Emery’s fitness guy was let go even before Emery.

    Valentin

    This is a big lie

    Julien Masarch left the same time with Emery.

  73. Un na naai

    Wilshire is bow legged so his running would always look weird running with the instep rather than outside.

    Same
    Pires has awkward 10-2 feet
    It was not really his running style but the bulk he put on and the fact he would fly into tackles
    Wenger should have cut that out of his game as much as poss

    Anyway it’s done
    Jack is done
    None of it matters. I just will never concede that jack at 19-21 wasn’t the best central midfielder in the world of his generation

  74. bennydevito

    I loved Jack Wilshere, thought he was brilliant. Unfortunately never realised his full potential because of injuries.

  75. Un na naai

    Don you clearly haven’t moved on romanticizing a wank player because he was overrated at 19/20. Grow up and move on.

    Grow up? We are grown men with families, who have never met, arguing about things we have no control over on a football blog

    Reality check bright spark

  76. Samesong

    Don Wilshire was fouled a lot also.
    And I weren’t criticising his running style. Just saying it might look weird to the uneducated lol.

  77. azed

    Azed thinks 10k ran is just 10k you get tired just the same and exert the same
    amount of energy.

    Lego

    Stop embarrassing yourself.
    Football is 90 mins in a confined space.
    You cannot cover the same distance walking/ being a lazy fucker vs someone doing the job.

    There’s a time limitation. The fact that you don’t understand this is something I cannot help you.

    Ozil covered 12km for the first time in two years please explain why it’s the first time in two years.

  78. Pedro

    High performance culture is built on expertise. Emery bringing in mates to positions he was not expert is ran counter to that. Managers do that to entrench power, clubs increasingly understanding that and limiting who they bring.

    Arsenal ended up letting 9 of emery’s people go in the end. Hopefully Edu, who I believe is qualified in some sort of sports science degree, will not allow that to happen again.

  79. CG

    UN

    “””What about pirlo? What about xavi? Xabi Alonso? Gazza? Paul scholes? Carrick? Essien?”””

    Yes but they all excelled in my categories.

    Jack scored 10 goals in his career.!!!

    7 for Arsenal ???

    Theo Walcott 100 goals
    Rambo 60 goals.
    Sanchez 60 goals

    Wilshere 7!!

    He sustained more serious injuries than that…..

    What bloody use is that.?

    7 in 125 games.?

    Harsh but fair.

    (I know he is one of your favourites.)

  80. DUIFG

    Agree pedro about jobs for the boys but for me it’s about do we have the quality we need at the club. If I was arteta I’d say to the fitness team this is what we want from our players, what are you currently doing with them and what are you trying to achieve. If they cant deliver they ho, of they can then great we have a WC in house backroom team

  81. Un na naai

    It’s irrelevant whether or not you accept being wrong or stupid. It doesn’t stop you from being wrong and stupid.

    Marko

    You want to talk about wrong?
    Writing torriera off as not physical enough for this league?
    Backing emery?
    Writing off Arteta as a cone man?
    Claiming that the only way to fix our defence and midfield was in the market?
    Claiming that coaching has minimal impact? Coaching is fanciful. Remember

    You’re very very careful to never put your arse hole on the line but every now and then you slip up and when you do you’re wrong. All you do is incessantly criticise our players and the views of others without ever offering solutions because you’ve no balls and your experience is limited to computer games

    Every single thing you’ve said in the last 18 months has blown up spectacularly in your face so eat your words jackeen.
    Congratulations, you are the Michael Fish of arsenal fans

  82. Un na naai

    CGJanuary 4, 2020 18:28:58
    UN“””What about pirlo? What about xavi? Xabi Alonso? Gazza? Paul scholes? Carrick? Essien?”””Yes but they all excelled in my categories.

    No they didn’t
    How many assists/goals did that lost muster? Scholes aside in his early career those players, legends though they are, were about ball retention and creating angles. Driving at defences, breaking lines and finding passing lanes

    Not one of them were about scoring, making assists or tackling.

    Stopping goals is a collective endeavour for the most part but that was not the primary job if these players it was to create opportunities for the players further up the field to do the damage and assist in stopping goals

  83. Marko

    High performance culture is built on expertise. Emery bringing in mates to positions he was not expert is ran counter to that. Managers do that to entrench power, clubs increasingly understanding that and limiting who they bring.

    Absolute nonsense mate. Referencing Emery whilst not acknowledging that every manager does it is a cheap shot and there’s literally no evidence of clubs refusing managers bringing in their own staff specifically fitness coaches. You said previously that Tuchel was an example but he brought his own coaching staff and fitness coach with him. Again an utterly pointless discussion given that every manager does it despite your reservations about it. Also not sure he had 9 staff with him but what do I know

  84. Un na naai

    CG

    Jack played from deep
    Mkhitaryan was a wide forward/no10

    Why not compare his goal record with carrick, pirlo, xavi or xabi Alonso who played one far more successful and well rounded teams I hasten to add

  85. azed

    The Argentine shot-stopper thanked Emery and goalkeeper coach Javi Garcia, who has also been dismissed along with Juan Carlos Carcedo (assistant-coach), Pablo Villanueva (first-team coach), Julen Masach (strength & conditioning coach) and Victor Manas (analyst).

    Emery and his fitness coach left together. The idea that Emery’s fitness coach was fired before him is one of the numerous lies peddled by Valentin.

  86. Un na naai

    Don nice little list you made but I never said those things.

    You never wrote off Arteta or Torreira?
    You never said coaching was fanciful?
    You never said that the only way to improve this team was through selling the shit we had and replacing with superior alternatives?

    You’re really going to deny this?

  87. azed

    Both have a direct impact on a player effectiveness. According to them they don’t matter!! If you are fit, you are fit!?
    He can’t see the difference between running 12km at a leisurely pace and running 12km with 6km at a leisurely pace interlaced with 6km in 120 sprints.

    Valentin

    Football is 90 mins. You cannot cover the same distance in 90 mins walking leisurely vs someone sprinting.

    Full backs have different conditioning to center backs because full backs tend to cover more distance.
    No coach in his right mind with give the same physical training regimen to a full back and center back because their needs are different.
    When you say Emery over trained the players are you saying he gave them the same physical training regimen?

    The article you and Lego hair rely on states that Emery reduced the work load on some players and this is common sense.
    Martinelli would recover faster than Aubameyang because he is younger so you would most likey give Aubameyang more rest than Martinelli.

    What you and Pedro have refused to acknowledge is that Shad is the head of performance and he’s the one responsible for the fitness of the players. If the players are not fit, then it’s him to blame.

  88. Marko

    You never wrote off Arteta or Torreira?

    Nope.

    You never said coaching was fanciful?

    Nope. I said improving our defence on coaching alone was fanciful because we have error prone morons in defensive positions.

    You never said that the only way to improve this team was through selling the shit we had and replacing with superior alternatives?

    That’s a new one. No. You’re not understanding and that’s okay. I also never backed Emery. I always maintained that he was here for two years that he wouldn’t be able to improve us defensively outside of signings and predicted he was merely a stop gap appointment to stop the decline. I just never blamed him for everything like other people so that probably looked like I backed him to someone like yourself. Also originally I wanted Jardim. EKB though apparently

  89. PhD2020

    azedJanuary 4, 2020 15:16:41
    You CANNOT be unfit due to over training. If you over train, you increase your chances of injury but you will be in peak physical condition. (C. Ronaldo for example)
    =======
    No & yes…
    Overtraining increases your susceptibility to injuries-correct.

    Overtraining implies-you hit the peak and face diminishing marginal returns. You are not performing at your optimum.

    Fatigue sets in, culminating in injuries. Stretching your body beyond its limits,without enough time for it to recuperate, regenerate and perform again at the required level..

    People forget, recovery time ,is just as important ,as the diet & designated training regime,It’s about striking the balance.

  90. PhD2020

    azedJanuary 4, 2020 18:59:27

    Football is 90 mins. You cannot cover the same distance in 90 mins walking leisurely vs someone sprinting.Full backs have different conditioning to center backs because full backs tend to cover more distance.
    No coach in his right mind with give the same physical training regimen to a full back and center back because their needs are different.
    When you say Emery over trained the players are you saying he gave them the same physical training regimen?
    ——

    This is indeed correct…
    Simple example..A training programme for a 100m runner is entirely different for that of a 400m runner,and similarly for an 800m/1500m or a 10k runner.

    Same thing for swimmers..50m freestyle vs an 800m freestyle swimmer entirely different training programmes set.

  91. Lego Hair

    Azed

    ‘ Stop embarrassing yourself.
    Football is 90 mins in a confined space.
    You cannot cover the same distance walking/ being a lazy fucker vs someone doing the job.’

    You stepping into bamford territory here but keep digging it’s funny seeing you flap your fanny all over.
    No one is saying cover the distance walking/ being a lazy fucker v someone doing the job. It’s the intensity at which said distance is cover and the distances ran in that 12k.

    Are you another US college graduate? If so you and Bamford are really shining examples of that system. Outstanding comprehension guys.

  92. Valentin

    Azed,

    “Football is 90 mins in a confined space.
    You cannot cover the same distance walking/ being a lazy fucker vs someone doing the job.There’s a time limitation.”

    So if somebody run 12km on the field an unconfined space, he should be more tired than somebody running on an acre?
    So because it is confined you cannot have a player running more than its opponents?

    How come Kante is always in the top in term of distance covered in the Chelsea games?
    How come Zlatan had a game in a Barcelona shirt when he ran less than their goalkeeper?

    Are you for real because you are now coming up with more and more crazed or should I say stupid points to argue against things that science have already proven?

  93. Un na naai

    just never blamed him for everything like other people so that probably looked like I backed him to someone like yourself

    You made excuses for him until it became clear (near the end) that he was going, all the while maintaining that our issues could not be solved through coaching.
    I know Pedro and Charlie will remember some of your choice comments. Maybe Pierre might be a sport and dig some up.

    But between you and me, we both know I’m not lying.

  94. azed

    It’s the intensity at which said distance is cover and the distances ran in that 12k.

    Lego hair

    Ozil covered 11.28KM for the first time in two years.

    Explain why please.

  95. azed

    Actually this whole argument is bizarre

    PhD

    I asked Pierre to explain why he’s happy Ozil was defending after spending the whole Emery tenure saying Ozil should not be defending.

    The defense by Lego hair and Pierre is that under Emery Ozil was asked to track back but under Arteta he’s covering a smaller space.

    They’ve still not explained how Ozil covered 11.28 KM for the first time in two years.

  96. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 4, 2020 19:14:19
    Don surprisingly you just don’t understand

    Oh Marko. Dear dear Marko. I underrated all right pal. I understand.
    I know you like to try and present yourself as the resident intellectual but you’ve been found out over the past 18 months.
    As I said. You’re the Michael fish of arsenal fans. The only thing you ever got right was wenger and that was bound to happen if you waited long enough.

  97. Marko

    Marko; you 100% have argued that the coach isn’t that important.

    Just so that we’re clear on the fanciful comment I said it was fanciful to expect coaching to improve our defence when the argument was being made that Emery should be improving our defence especially considering that at Sevilla and Valencia his teams conceded a lot of goals. Of course it’s not surprising that the usual numbskulls took it to mean that I thought all coaching was fanciful but it is surprising that Pedro is pitching his tent so close to Don on the subject but we’re having a disagreement on another subject that he’s struggling with so it’s not too surprising.

    I still stand by what I said. There’s a reason why under Arteta we’re being linked with a CB and a RB it’s cause he wants to improve our defence and he doesn’t fancy doing it with what he’s currently got. He’s very smart thankfully

  98. Lego Hair

    Azed

    ‘ They’ve still not explained how Ozil covered 11.28 KM for the first time in two years.’

    It’s been covered. Your comprehension and then trying to move the goal posts are embarrassing.

    Are you actually disputing he can’t cover that much distance in a smaller space with more intensity?

    The fact he played the full 90 mins would also contribute.

  99. DM

    Only just come on here and not read comments, so apologies if it’s been raised already, but what about bringing Mkhitaryan back from loan? If Arteta can work his magic on him then he could be a very useful addition.

  100. Un na naai

    t Pedro is pitching his tent so close to Don on the subject but we’re having a disagreement on another subject that he’s struggling with so it’s not too surprising.

    Struggling? Behave!!
    You’re flat our denying reality Marko

    You’ve been arguing these points black and blue for 18 months and you think nobody noticed?

    Any advocate for Arteta was slammed by you. You were clearly in favour of anyone over Arteta including emery and now you’re denying that citing jardim being your favoured choice as proof?

    In what world is that proof?
    It’s ok to be wrong mate. Just throw your hands up and accept the shame.

    You’ve shat on nearly every player we have outside of Aubameyang and Leno and all of a sudden it looks as though the lens you view the world through is cracking. Shattering is imminent.
    With every passing successful performance from Arteta and the current team your offerings get funnier and funnier. And not in the good way.

  101. Habesha Gooner

    From what I remember Marko argued Emery needed time. And Most of our defenders were poor. And he also said they were beyond coaching for a team aspiring more than a Europa league spot. He said we needed better defenders.

    While I didn’t agree with him about giving Emery after the Watford game , I still am convinced we need a major clear out in our backline. Two good games from Sokratis, Luiz and AMN is not enough to be vindicated to say “we have a good enough defense if it is coached right”.

  102. PhD2020

    azedJanuary 4, 2020 19:23:27
    Actually this whole argument is bizarrePhDI asked Pierre to explain why he’s happy Ozil was defending after spending the whole Emery tenure saying Ozil should not be defending.The defense by Lego hair and Pierre is that under Emery Ozil was asked to track back but under Arteta he’s covering a smaller space.They’ve still not explained how Ozil covered 11.28 KM for the first time in two years.
    ——-
    Ok,the last bit, suggests smaller area, higher intensity to cover..
    Prompted, or instructed by Arteta-non?

    That’s my take of it, either way.

    Does thst concur with your argument or reasoning?

  103. CG

    Danny S

    “”””CG what did you think of pires?Ever seen him run?”””

    What a Fabulous Question.

    How good would he have been if we had a Kenyan running coach on the AFC payroll when he was scoring 15-18 goals a season.

    (Maybe he could have got 23-26 range )

    Pires scored Goals
    Pires made Goals.

    As Meat Loaf used to sing two out of three ain’t bad……

    Pires was unique….that curler at Anfield made me fortunes…….absolute fortunes….

    The boy could play.

    And handsome too…..commercially its always good to have handsome players……

    Arteta and Pires on the bench together – crikey – it will be like McCarthy and Lennon all over again.

    Dont you think….

  104. Un na naai

    Habesha

    That wasn’t the argument though

    The le grove theme for the past 18 months has been wether or not this squad is good enough to qualify for the champions league

    Marko argues against and gave his reasons
    That nearly every player was substandard
    That coaching was secondary to replacing players in the market

    That only an idiot would want to appoint a coach with no experience what so ever as head coach- and there is merit to that argument don’t get me wrong

    And that emery wasn’t doing a bad job all he needed was the players

    Arteta is now showing what a fallacy all of that was.

    Now up until today I hadn’t rubbed his nose in it. I left him alone as he was clearly delighted with the way the team was going and I respected the fact he didn’t double down like Bamford and Hairline.
    But it was just inevitable he was going to get on his soap box, forgetting all of the big bold claims he made. He threw a couple of his choice insults at me and I felt it was time to remind him of his previous misgivings.

  105. Marko

    I’m 99% certain you said you wanted ‘anyone but Arteta’ as manager.

    100% didn’t want Mourinho and nore skeptical about giving Arteta the reins like a lot of people he was admittedly down the bottom of the list. Not really the same as writing him off. I always argued unknown and risk with him. Worth noting though 3 games in still no appraisal of him yet