Arteta makes Mesut Özil the centerpiece

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via @Arsenal

HAPPY NEW YEAR! HOW ARE YOU FEELING? Ok, ok, I’ll stop the shouting, but I will maintain a quiet energy with the prose because I need you up for the BIG game today.

It’s a huge one, Arsenal takes on Manchester United at home for Arteta’s 3rd game.

I think it’s a stretch to think we’re going to take points from them today. A draw would be excellent work, 3 points would have us all buzzing, but when you look at how their squad is fitness-wise and look at ours, it makes for grim reading.

We are missing a lot of defenders, which is difficult to deal with because even when we’re fully fit, we’re not exactly 90s Milan at the back. There might be some good news with regards to Bellerin who is close to returning, but knowing how fragile he’s been, you’d be hard-pressed to imagine he’ll start.

The manager was keen to impress that the defensive failures at Chelsea; with a very weak backline, were not structural.

“It wasn’t a transition where we had a bad structure or a bad organisation, when we are defending big spaces on equal numbers or are outnumbered – it wasn’t the case at all,”

“We made one half-bad decision [to back off] and these teams, when in space, they punish you, for sure. But the other option is to defend all the time and be there [in defensive areas] and we don’t want that.”

So at the very least, we’ll be prepared to deal with United. They have extremely fast forwards, they’ll probe for counter-attacks and they’ll look to stretch us using width. Arteta only recently tasted a loss against them when he was at City, it was quite a lucky United performance, but OGS had his team of workhorses make last years Champions look very old.

Going forward is where we’ll have to provide something more interesting. Containing their threat won’t be enough, we need to create chances. The good news here is Gabriel might be back in contention, his aggression in the press and all-round threat could be highly valuable to us. I’d also imagine we’ll be seeing a start from Pepe, there has to be some rotation today and that seems like the most obvious place to start. It’s hard to work out what the issue is with the Ivorian because no one will say explicitly, but it reads a blend of work rate and general fitness levels. 3 managers in a row can’t be wrong.

Ceballos is also back in contention, people forget he’s a young player, under a coach that helps him, he might be U21 Championship Dani, so it’s a new start for him.

Xhaka is also fit. Again, not my favourite player, but he’d start in our midfield at the moment. If he doesn’t play, we’ll know he’s off to Berlin. Worry with him is he mails it in as a final fuck you to the fans that booed him.

I mused before the manager started that he’d look for a turnaround project, and it seems he has one, he’s going all out to make Mesut Ozil the star of the show again. Makes sense, he’s used to having lots of #10 like talents to work with at City and on his day, no one can touch Ozil. Additionally, we have no one that gets close to him on the creativity front. We are a more intelligent team with him at his best. The German looks happy on the pitch, he’s put in two dirty shifts, he’ll have another chance to find his level again today and hopefully offer something more decisive.

“Mesut is putting in everything he has and his numbers, physically, have improved so much,”

“On his own he can’t do it. He needs the collective structure, organisation and his teammates. He needs the team to play in a certain way to facilitate his strengths more and more in the game. That’s what we’re trying to do.

“I put him in the team if I see every day that his attitude, desire and understanding of what we’re trying to do is there. The moment that this changes, then he won’t play.”

At the end of the day, he loves living in London, he loves his contract, and he’s a human… he’ll want to be impressing the fans, no one wants to be hated. He might also have the afterlife on his mind, if he tanks another manager, no one will risk giving him the big bucks in 18 months. Wenger didn’t have a machine that worked for him towards the end, Emery couldn’t see past running him into the ground in a shit system… it seems like Arteta has a more thoughtful approach to extracting creativity from him, whilst pushing him to support the system. It’ll be very interesting to see what the physical output looks like today, because he has done a lot of work in a short space of time. Some will say we’ve seen this film before, but maybe with a more elevated thinker in the dugout, it could be a different ending this time.

The main worry I have about today is how another loss will affect morale. Bournemouth was just an unlucky day at the shooting range, the Chelsea game was bad luck with fitness and Mustafi… we really need a result to prove out the hard work and progress. The fans will be buzzing for the game this evening, a classic win would be a great way to start the year, let’s see where we land.

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments x

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  1. Valentin

    Marko,

    That was my point.
    He was available for less than what Hertha was willing to pay for him. Why not try to buy him?

    It is not like Xhaka wanting out was a big surprise out of the blue. Even with him staying , reinforcement of a talented defensive midfielder should have been a priority.

  2. Dream10

    Ten goals from midfield for Eberechi Eze of QPR in the Championship. Good player. Has some of Grealish’s style. Think he’s a better dribbler. Spurs linked to him unfortunately

  3. Receding Hairline

    I wonder how Pierre think Emery finished third three times straight in La liga, won a certain competition in Europe three times straight, got appointed by PSG, moved teams to divisions they have never been in their history while all the while being a complete idiot or as someone on here will say a fraud.

  4. Dream10

    Valentin

    Do you think Weigl is too slow/weak to play in CM for us? All four of Torreira, Xhaka,. Ceballos and Guendouzi struggle to cover space when most PL matches turn into an end to contest.

  5. Dissenter

    CC
    “ Can you explain why we finished 13 points clear of them last season then?”

    I believe you used the same defense when I stated that Leicester had a better squad.
    If our squad is as good as you at it is then surely Arteta has to start getting results like Brendan did when he took the Leicester job.

  6. Marko

    To be fair if Wolves have two RB’s and two LB’s then they have a more balanced squad than us. If they aren’t forced to play players out of position to fill in the LW/LF position then they have a more balanced squad than us.

  7. TR7

    Most of you were swooning over Raul’s work in summer transfer window but now apparently every team that is not in the relegation zone has a better squad than Arsenal.

  8. Marko

    I don’t know why we didn’t try for Weigl. I wouldn’t have minded him. Maybe Arsenal are looking at someone else or Mikel has been more focused on trying to convince Xhaka to stay. Still some bargains in that area available I think. Bruno Guimaraes is going for a similar fee, Emre Can and Rabiot could be available on loan and Sander Berge nearly joined Brighton last summer for 22 million

  9. Unai

    Our squad is a fricking mess at the moment.

    Not making excuses for Arteta, it’s been this way since Wenger.

    Needs investment but as it’s not coming, we can forget thinking of competing for top honours any time soon.

  10. Marko

    Most of you were swooning over Raul’s work in summer transfer window but now apparently every team that is not in the relegation zone has a better squad than Arsenal.

    I mean he did some good things but he didn’t properly address the defence or midfield and went into the season with one injured RB. Hardly the same as thinking that the squad is good enough is it.

  11. Pierre

    know
    We have invested , badly I’m afraid .

    I’m hoping that Arteta has stipulated that he must have the final say on incomings and outgoings or we can all expect the incompetence to continue.

  12. Dissenter

    Marko
    You do realize that we have been playing two poor wingers as RB and LB for the last two seasons, right, referring time Bellerin and Kolasinac
    Then you have an stacking midfielder who runs to the lines to disappear
    Then add the absence of a midfield dynamo engine and midfielder that can control games
    Honestly I can think of any position where the Arsenal play is overwhelmingly better than the Wolves counterpart. It may be ossiento make an arguable claim that Auba is better but then he doesn’t do some things right.

  13. Dream10

    Adama Traore completed 14 of 18 dribbles today lol. That is ridiculous

    Hope Pogba ain’t playing today. Didn’t travel with the team. Rumor that he might be at the team hotel ffs

  14. Un na naai

    Marko

    They are no longer what they were in years gone by
    There were 4 English teams in 2 european finals this season
    I expect to see the proem dominate europe for the next 5-10 years now

  15. Marko

    I’m hoping that Arteta has stipulated that he must have the final say on incomings and outgoings or we can all expect the incompetence to continue.

    I dunno man recent comments on Ozil and apparently he suggested Xhaka as a signing for City are huge warning signs. He should have a say but I dunno if I’d leave it up to him.

  16. Dissenter

    Every time teams lower than us win, it just piles the pressure on.
    The bottom is moving up and we are static.

  17. Aussie Gooner

    Southampton won so we are officially 13th in the EPL. And to reinforce our depleted squad we have had scouts watching our old academy failure Glen Kamara during his last 6 games for Rangers and are considering an offer! You can’t make it up!

  18. Spanishdave

    Oh well 13th now and sliding down.
    The directors and owners should hold their heads in shame it’s all down to them
    But
    They don’t give a shit, as now they can say we are rebuilding, … from the mess they made!!!
    Raul and co should be kicked out of the club as part of our rebuilding, but again Stan hasn’t got a clue, just tell him that there’s no European easy dosh for two years maybe he might listen.

  19. Pierre

    Today , I would like to see

    Lacazette chill out and relax in front of goal

    Pepe start.

    Xhaka and Torreira in centre mid .

    A stronger bench …Martinelli, Ceballos , Holding ,Bellerin if fit.

    An Arsenal win.

  20. Un na naai

    Marko

    As I pointed out earlier there are too players coming through all over the premier league
    I literally Named about 20 young players bubbling under the current England squad. Not just Sancho. They haven’t proven anything yet but I think many of them will.

    And you say catching up but most of the top clubs in Europe are just poaching the best players from domestic leagues.

    Tell me when the last player top produced by Bayern or Real Madrid or Barca was?
    It’s all feeder clubs in these leagues whereas the likes of us, Chelsea, United, spurs, Liverpool and city (to a lesser extent) are producing our own now.

  21. Dissenter

    Why should Arteta get the final say for transfers.
    Is that what we are reduced to?
    Is this what w fought for all these years.
    It’s a bad idea to give the keys to an untested manager who has arms full with the coaching aspect.
    What’s going on here?

  22. Ishola70

    Dissenter
    “Every time teams lower than us win, it just piles the pressure on.
    The bottom is moving up and we are static.”

    This is the situation.

    We have Southampton leapfrogging today but it could have been two others in Burnley and Brighton also leapfrogging today. That’s how much in touching distance it has become.

    And it’s all because these sort of teams are actually winning a few matches. Winning. Not drawing.

    A couple of wins and you climb this table.

  23. Marko

    I expect to see the proem dominate europe for the next 5-10 years now

    So Liverpool. They won’t by the way. Literally only one club has won back to back champions league the last decade or so. And even if you’re referring to English clubs getting far in European competitions you still have other European clubs in there so still no domination. You see this is the problem and you just knew it was coming a decent showing in a major tournament from the national team (finally) and an English club winning the Champions League and then all of a sudden there’s a great big English dominance on the horizon. Come on man get real

  24. Bamford10

    Charlie

    “Can you explain why we finished 13 points clear of them last season then?”

    One, though flawed, our squad was better last season than it is this season.

    Two, though flawed, Emery overachieved with the players he had available to him. That he overachieved is evident from the fact that he finished so close to Chelsea and Tottenham, teams that had far better players and far better squads than he did.

    Three, Wolves feature several younger players (Neves, Jota, Traore, Dendoncker) and these players have improved steadily and in some cases markedly over the past year or so. So even where they have the same players, some of these players are even better players than they were last season.

  25. Dissenter

    Ishola
    “ A couple of wins and you climb this table”

    So true
    Problem is you have many jokers here salivating at the prospect of a 2-2 draw. Snobs who are happy with “performances” when we are so close to being drawn into a struggle that we have no character to fight.
    We are better off getting unexciting disjointed wins to get us out of the muck … then the manager can have wiggle room to implement his style.

  26. Upstate Gooner

    We are now sitting in 13th place in the table behind the likes of Newcastle as well as Southampton who just picked up 3 points against Spurs. They too must have better squads than we do.

  27. Bamford10

    Charlie

    “Can you explain why we finished 13 points clear of them last season then?”

    Further, it’s interesting that you rely on this argument by inference — which involves any number of changing variables that you are more or less assuming to be static — rather than simply comparing our players to Wolves’ players, name by name, position by position. It’s almost as if you don’t really want to talk about our midfielders (Xhaka, Guendouzi, Torreira) in relation to theirs or about our defenders (Luiz, Sokratis, Chambers, Mustafi, AMN) in relation to theirs. It’s almost as if you realize that they do in fact have better players and a better squad.

  28. Upstate Gooner

    How come Özil is not gelling with anybody in the team since Sanches ?

    It’s Cazorla more than Sanchez that Ozil is missing. And the reason is because no one in our midfield is capable of moving the ball forward so more times than not Ozil has to drop deep to pick it up himself.

  29. Un na naai

    Marko

    No not just liverpool. City, spurs and Chelsea are all capable of a final and if untied get poch then expect them to be in the mix too
    Anything could happen with us now we have Arteta and are actually signing some of the best young players around.

    Leicester have money and top coach and are a sting side capable of a run

    So yeah. That’s my prediction. Only Ronaldo and Messi altered the inevitable over the past decade anyway.

  30. Bamford10

    Finally, as I said above, if we have better players than Wolves do, as Charlie seems to believe, then surely Arteta should be able to close the four point gap that existed between us and Wolves when Arteta took over the team on December 22.

  31. Aussie Gooner

    We must win today – no excuses. But for the fact that Brighton begins with a B we begin with an A we would be in 14th place right now! As it has been said before, football is results based.

  32. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    So you’ve not got much to say about why we finished above Wolves by 13 points despite an apparent inferior squad?

    Puts that’s one to bed quickly then doesn’t it.

  33. Marko

    So yeah. That’s my prediction. Only Ronaldo and Messi altered the inevitable over the past decade anyway.

    So if it wasn’t for Ronaldo and Messi there would have been this English dominance sooner? Is that what you’re saying? I mean it doesn’t explain how generally poor the national team has been. You can’t blame Ronaldo and Messi for that because Portugal and Argentina have hardly lit it up on the international stage

  34. Upstate Gooner

    Aussie
    Close but No. We scored more goals than them. But after today’s game I fully expect us to be in the 14th place. Needless to say that our players but more importantly our manager are not giving me any confidence.

  35. TR7

    Dissenter

    ‘So true
    Problem is you have many jokers here salivating at the prospect of a 2-2 draw. Snobs who are happy with “performances” when we are so close to being drawn into a struggle that we have no character to fight.’

    Dissenter, you are literally the only doomsday merchant on here who has been scaring everyone off with a potential relegation battle. Arsenal will not be relegated.

  36. Pierre

    Marko
    I’m sure you remember that 12 months ago I made the point that English teams would dominate Europe for the next 5 years …..you disagreed of course.

    confirmation of my point is in the fact that all 4 positions in the European finals went to English clubs despite the fact that the premier league winners never made either final,this shows the strength of English sides compared to the rest of Europe.

    Un was correct in saying that peak Messi and Ronaldo made the difference for the last ten years, but now they are losing their influence ,Real Madrid and Barcelona are now beatable along with Munich.

    The fact that we now have the best managers in the world in England is also a major factor.

    But yes English teams are set to dominate Europe and English kids and possibly even the England team have a very good decade in front of them..

  37. Gentlebris

    ‘5 wins and a draw needed in the remaining 18 games to avoid relegation – I think we will be able to manage that.’

    TR7,

    You are confident that we will get 5 wins from 18 PL games when in fact we have got only one win from the last 12 PL games!

    Who do you expect will perform a miracle?
    A coach you don’t trust to get one win in his first three games?

  38. Dissenter

    “ Dissenter, you are literally the only doomsday merchant on here who has been scaring everyone off with a potential relegation battle. Arsenal will not be relegated”

    Reminds me of that guy who categorically stated that the Titanic was unsinkable.
    I’m afraid that if we get stuck in a relegation dogfight we wouldn’t have the character to get out of it.
    It makes me suck to my tummy even writing about it but that’s better than having my head stuck in the sand, pretending that we are too good to go down.

  39. Sid

    Unless we are playing 352 i dont want to see Auba & laca o the field together. Whatever formation we play if ozil is playing Ceballos has to be on the field too.

  40. Redtruth

    We have a lot of Championship level players in the team: Leno, Xhaka, Torreira, Mustafi, Chambers, Ozil, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Kolasinac, Guendouzi, and as for the kids lol

  41. andy1886

    It’s getting a bit much when people are just happy to say ‘don’t worry, we wont be relegated’ isn’t it? Surely we should be aiming just a little higher than that, what next, a ticker tape parade if we seventeenth? Don’t think that Emery would have got such lenient treatment.

  42. Spanishdave

    With all this VAR controversy you know what it is.
    Mike Dean cannot ref matches now so through VAR he can now control all the matches from his armchair.
    That’s why he doesn’t allow refs to look at the monitors.

  43. Un na naai

    Marko

    Yeah I don’t think real and Barca would have dominated as they did without those two

    Having Ronaldo or Messi at your club is big pulling power in the transfer market. A lot of players went there to play with those two
    Had they not been there I think the greats that came and went would have been shared more evenly around Europe with the premier league being awash with cash many would have headed to an English club in their prime
    Bale to united rather than Madrid for example

    Anyway, it’s all speculation and can’t be proven one way or the other

    And it’s also not to say that I am against signing gems from other countries. Far from it. Personally as long as the National side is doing well and arsenal are with 2-3-4 good quality British players I’m happy.

    If England win the World Cup I wouldn’t give two shits how many premier league teams outside arsenal win the champions league but the more players produced my our clubs of elite quality, the more likely we are to win an international tournament and I’d obviously love to experience that before I go

  44. Alexanderhenry

    Results not good for us today.
    I’m confident we’ll be OK but a victory this evening would ease my nerves anyway and give arteta a platform to build on.

  45. Gentlebris

    ‘No Leicester collapse Gentlebris lol’

    Ishola,

    Maybe I underestimated Mr Brendan Rodgers, a fine fine football coach!

    You know some clubs are not that much into wild adventures, like my man CG would say, it’s only football; keep it simple. They got a smart coach with a beautiful record and didn’t bother to look for an apprentice with a high ceiling.

  46. Spanishdave

    When Leno came to us it was noted that his weakness was crosses.
    The overpaid coaches haven’t improved him on that point.

  47. Bamford10

    No offense to anyone, but this whole “is relegation a possibility?” conversation is a red herring. Yes, I agree that we are closer to the bottom in terms of points (and quality) than certain people are willing to admit, but relegation remains fairly unlikely and making this the point of discussion lets certain people off the hook. These are people who were so outraged that we were in 8th place after a 2-2 draw with Southampton that the manager had to go that minute. Now they seem to be OK with however we do, provided we don’t get relegated, and making the conversation about the possibility of relegation allows them to get away with this.

    Sorry, but if drawing 2-2 with Southampton — a team that just beat Mourinho’s Tottenham team, btw, and who beat Chelsea a week ago — then Arteta should be held to the same standard. Sorry, but if 8th place was unacceptable under Emery, then 8th place should be the minimum we are demanding of Arteta. Any less than this is double standards and hypocrisy.

  48. Un na naai

    ? I mean it doesn’t explain how generally poor the national team has been. You can’t blame Ronaldo and Messi for that because Portugal and Argentina have hardly lit it up on the international stage

    Marko

    The national team has been poor due to a number of issues
    1) bad attitude among young English players. Too much too soon. Sense of entitlement and celebrity culture.
    2) poor coaching
    3) poor or unsuited national managers- capello/sven/McLaren/hodgeson all either not good enough or not suited to national mindset
    4) premier league sides not playing young english players and instead choosing foreign option. Soldado over Kane at spurs being an obvious example and now look.
    5) disjointed grassroutes effort from the fa and not being in line with club academies.

    I feel most of this has now been addressed and we are seeing young players coming through at all the big clubs now. Poch paved the way.

  49. Edu me a favour

    Bamford – “” Three, Wolves feature several younger players (Neves, Jota, Traore, Dendoncker) and these players have improved steadily and in some cases markedly over the past year or so. So even where they have the same players, some of these players are even better players than they were last season.””

    Why didn’t any of our players improve in the 18 months emery was incharge ? In fact , they got markedly worse.

    If wolves players have improved , you would have to put that down to coaching no ?

    If our players regressed , then equally , you would have to put that down to coaching.

  50. Un na naai

    Sorry, but if drawing 2-2 with Southampton — a team that just beat Mourinho’s Tottenham team, btw, and who beat Chelsea a week ago — then Arteta should be held to the same standard. Sorry, but if 8th place was unacceptable under Emery, then 8th place should be the minimum we are demanding of Arteta. Any less than this is double standards and hypocrisy.

    Bamford
    Drawing with Southampton or United aren’t even in the same ball Park when it comes to fans opinion

    A draw with United is never a bad result for any club
    A draw with Southampton after such an appalling run of results by a coach who had £200m spent on his team in 18 moths was the straw that broke the camels back.

    You’re being unashamedly disingenuous.

  51. Bamford10

    Actually, in a certain sense, 7th place by season end is the minimum we should be demanding of Arteta, given that 8th place was totally and completely unacceptable.

  52. Spanishdave

    Why not have no refs and let big brother VAR and Mike Riley run the games completely?
    That’s what he would like after all.

  53. Pierre

    If Arteta wants to recruit players to suit his style of football then he will have more bargaining power if the team falter at the start of his reign.

    What happened to Emery and his 22 game unbeaten run was a false dawn.
    The winning run weakened his bargaining power with the board in January , they probably said that the squad is strong enough and settled for the Suarez debacle.

    They tried to right their wrongs in the summer with panic buys.

    Arteta is in a good bargaining position as the board are probably starting to feel the pressure of our league position.

    I expect to see 2 or 3 ( maybe more depending on outgoings) incoming as the board have to show support for Arteta .

  54. Un na naai

    Bris

    I’ve been calling for Rodgers to arsenal for a good few years now. Always been a fan since his Swansea days.
    I’m delighted we have Arteta now but no doubt that Rodgers is a top coach. Wether or not he’s an elite manager is yet to be seen. He just stopped short with Liverpool. That team was up there with the invincibles for me as the greatest footballing teams of the premier league era.

  55. Mr Serge

    Can you lot please stop talking about relegation and get behind the team
    The manager has been here for just over s week

    I am off to the game to cheer them on
    Maybe some of you doom mongers should try it ffs

  56. Redtruth

    England failed to qualify for two World Cups in the 70’s so too many foreigners in the league is an excuse as to why England flop on the International stage

  57. Un na naai

    Bamford10January 1, 2020 18:01:14
    Actually, in a certain sense, 7th place by season end is the minimum we should be demanding of Arteta, given that 8th place was totally and completely unacceptable.

    Yeah. And then we went to 12th
    Emery lowered the bar to depths we were told were only possible if we kept Wenger on. If Arteta finishes lower than 8th next season then maybe you have a point but this year after the depths he’s had to pick this squad up from? Get real Bamford
    If he gets us into 6th or 7th this year then he deserves a statue in June.

  58. andy1886

    Hammers 3-0 up after 35 minutes, a bit embarrassing to be out done on the ‘new manager bounce’ front by David bloody Moyes.

    Not necessarily a slight on Arteta, probably more of an indication of just how entrenched the culture is amongst the players that a new man struggles to make much of an impact.

  59. Un na naai

    RedtruthJanuary 1, 2020 18:05:38
    England failed to qualify for two World Cups in the 70’s so too many foreigners in the league is an excuse as to why England flop on the International stage

    Change the record RaT

  60. Edu me a favour

    Bamford you’re intent on holding arteta to the same standards as emery , when you’re smart enough to know that it’s ridiculous to do so

    When emery took over – did you hold him to the same standards as wenger ? Did you expect him to win the league and cup double ? And if you didn’t then why didn’t you ?

  61. Redtruth

    If he makes a sub around the 70th minute mark or leaves it up in the air depending on the scoreline then we know we have recruited a tactically inept Wenger clone…

  62. Receding Hairline

    Enough with this rhythm thing TR7. If you are playing well and improving results are what validates that.

    Not facing shots isn’t really the only barometer for judging things. How many clear cut chances did we create against Bournemouth and Chelsea? What was the xG in both matches?

  63. Batistuta

    Eddie How’s should be sacked if they don’t want to go down, they’re absolutely shocking at the moment Bournemouth

  64. Guernsey gun

    As saints go past us and west ham move within 2 points of us…..all is rosy in the sauce garden. Fuck me there are some clueless fuck knuckles on here. Deep in a rely but zero awareness as we are too good for that.

  65. Pierre

    Mr Serve
    “I am off to the game to cheer them on
    Maybe some of you doom mongers should try it ffs”

    They can’t, none of the doom mongers live in this country….strange that innit.

  66. azed

    “A draw with United is never a bad result for any club”

    Un
    See your post after we drew against UTD at old Trafford and compare with what you wrote above..

    PedrYou smashed it with this post
    Just so many truth bombsYou’re right. We were told he needed wingers to bring out his style and ethos
    He is an asset stripper. He tearing the joy from Arsenal piece by piece every day and turning us into a shit version of Mourinho’s Chelsea
    A duller, weaker, loser’s edition

  67. Pierre

    Receding
    “West ham now doing that dangerous thing where performances and results improve after you change coaches.Poor them. They will surely pay for that in the future.”

    Without realising it, your prediction could prove to be correct.

  68. Marko

    Jorge Nicola (@jorgenicola) from ESPN Brazil has just said live on air that a club from London is in talks to sign Gabigol from Inter. He said that it’s not Crystal Palace. It is a “bigger club”.

    So not Arsenal…I jest I jest it’s obvious it’s Fulham

  69. alexanderhenry

    All Arteta has to do is keep us in the top half this season.
    That’ll do, all things considered and let’s be honest here, he’ll be given a fair crack at it even if we finish 17th.

    A few wins will see us right in terms of PL survival and personally I don’t care how we do it . Also, I’d almost prefer avoiding Europa qualification.

    Then it’s a case of pushing the reset button, giving Arteta a summer window and a full preseason and let’s see where we’re at next season.

  70. Receding Hairline

    Pierre nothing bad can ever come out of winning a football game. None at all.

    Coaches come and go at clubs. Chelsea have had a few and keep winning stuffs. Same with real Madrid and Barcelona etc

    The only club where change is treated with fear and everything constantly compared to what came before is AFC.

  71. Bamford10

    Un Na

    I never equated a draw to United with a draw to Southampton. You wrongly inferred that from what I said.

    My point was and is that Arteta should be held to the same standards that Emery was held to: if 8th place was unacceptable under Emery, then it should be unacceptable (at season end) under Arteta. If drawing 2-2 to a Southampton was unacceptable under Emery, similar results should be unacceptable under Arteta.

    As for United, Receding already made the point that you lot were howling in outrage about our drawing with them at Old Trafford while you are now telling everyone to expect and applaud a respectable loss at home.

    As for your claim about “the depths to which Emery has plunged” this squad, I don’t buy that line of argument for one second. Sorry.

  72. Guernsey gun

    Club in freefall, Pearson charging up, Ancelotti getting a bounce,Moyes dicking the cherries. And Leggo head, wow we run a lot more and the full backs tuck in. In a rely fight sauce and values count for fuck all.

  73. Un na naai

    Azed

    Little out of context don’t you think?
    The result against United was not the issue I was arguing against in my comment. It was the all round failure to perform.
    We have already produced better football in 45 mins against chelsea than in any other league game this season under emery.

    It was becoming clearer and clearer by the match and lo and behold emery ranked, took us through our worst form in 45 years and totally vindicated my arguments.

    If you go back to The beginning of Emery’s time in charge and check the comments you’ll see that I actually was quite supportive of him despite my misgiving and cheered him/us on to win rather than behave the way many of you are behaving towards Arteta two weeks into picking up the lowest arsenal side since before wenger was manager

    A man despised and pilloried by so many of you

    Oh the irony

  74. Pierre

    Receding
    “Pierre taking pot shots at fans in other countries.”

    just stating a fact.

    You will find that a high percentage of fans living in this country are totally behind Arteta .

    Going by the comments on Le Grove, most non English can’t wait for Arteta to fail…

    Dissenter, Bamford, yourself, Gentlebris to name but a few ….Marko is just about showing intelligence as he recognises what Arteta can bring to the club.

    Of course ,it’s not 100% either way but I find the more knowledgeable posters support Arteta and recognised very early that Emery would damage the club….

  75. TheLegendaryDB10

    Going to the game tonight. Moment of madness and decided to snap up a ticket in North Bank lower tier, as I wanted, as they are the cheapest tickets to get.

    I am really not to sure what to expect tonight. We are going to see some improvement if we go by the last two games.

    Funnily enough though, I think we are going to sneak a win. Don’t know why, but I have a good feeling about it. 🙂

  76. Un na naai

    My point was and is that Arteta should be held to the same standards that Emery was held to: if 8th place was unacceptable under Emery, then it should be unacceptable (at season end) under Arteta. If drawing 2-2 to a Southampton was unacceptable under Emery, similar results should be unacceptable under Arteta.

    Bamford
    I agree. Just not this season. Arteta will be held to those standards but someone made a great point earlier. Why did you not hold Emery to the same standards you held Wenger?
    I do. Top four is about as much as I expect from arsenal these days and that was the same form emery. I expect it from Arteta too once he gets his claws into the team
    Emery went to 5th and then performed worse than any arsenal manager since the 70s
    Arteta now has to pick up a team in 12th with no money
    Emery got a team with two fresh top strikers in their prime and £200m to spend

    How can you hold two people to the same standard when when has been dealt a severe handicap with only half a season to set it right?

  77. Guernsey gun

    It’s a very real possibility as the clubs in the shit have taken action. With arsenal it will be like Jacob Rees mogg taking on Duncan ferguson in a scrap. Fuck me we need points 9 in 36 and one win in 12….too classy to go down.

  78. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Now you’re just lying. I fully and completely support Arteta, as do most of the other people you’ve named in your dishonest comment above.

  79. alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    To be fair, Arteta needs a summer and a full season before we can really judge.

    Coming in now is far from ideal for the guy. Quite brave of him I think.

  80. Redtruth

    We’ve hired a better manager so it stands to reason performances and results should be better than the previous incumbent.
    Arsenal should climb the table and finish no lower than 6th…

  81. Dissenter

    We got woeful Bournemouth to start off the Arteta era and still had many happy with a draw.
    We could have gotten that new manager bounce from that game , seeing how sauce less Moyes is getting on.

  82. Pierre

    Sid
    “The defences misses Monreal”

    do You know, I was thinking exactly the same thing earlier today, was equally good at wing back, full back or in a back 3 .

    Whoever decided to let him go was a fool, and I honestly do not know who’s decision it was..

  83. Un na naai

    Dissenter

    Yes but he’s got half a season to put right out worst form in 40 years

    Emery started without a points disadvantage
    How can you hold them to the same standard? It’s impossible

  84. Guernsey gun

    Bournemouth…. who we were whaking skippy over a 1 1 draw, David sauceless Moyes is owning them 3 0 at half time. The future is bright….

  85. Un na naai

    Bamford10January 1, 2020 18:29:01
    PierreNow you’re just lying. I fully and completely support Arteta, as do most of the other people you’ve named in your dishonest comment above.

    Bam
    Funny way of expressing your support

  86. Dissenter

    AlexanderHenry
    “ To be fair, Arteta needs a summer and a full season before we can really judge.Coming in now is far from ideal for the guy. Quite brave of him I think.”

    I don’t disagree
    I’m just enjoying applying the arguments that we used to at a precedent for the previous permanent manager.
    The campaign of calumny that Pedro and his supporters ran against that manager is al documented. In the end he deserved his sack.
    We can’t have a situation where people are drooling at the prospect of us drawing United 2-2 at home.

  87. Edu me a favour

    “” How can you hold two people to the same standard when when has been dealt a severe handicap with only half a season to set it right?””

    Exactly – you just can’t

    The same way you can’t look at Man U and arsenal and not think that Man U have hit some form and we are still pretty bad – so to pick up a point would be a good result — this is not the same Man U from the reverse fixture back in September

  88. Batistuta

    Pierre

    Don’t think folks aren’t backing Arteta, only an idiot wouldn’t back a new manager whether he was your preference or not and Arsenal fans are very patient, he’ll get time…I think some are just saying the excuses that are being made for him are weird considering many made same for the last manager and were slaughtered for it… I mean come on, even you can see the irony

  89. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    How much money have you put on Arsenal getting relegated?

    Put up or shut up on the topic, it’s fucking drivel to read.

  90. Pierre

    Un
    Have you noticed how Marko conveniently disappears when he’s struggling in an argument.

    English teams are set to dominate Europe. and yes , the English kids Coming through are top quality …

    If they can perform in the prem, they can perform anywhere and in any competition in the world.

  91. Bob N16

    Bamford, I agree that coaches should be judged with an objective eye but am not sure that finishing 8th is not too arbitrary . Most people will judge Arteta’s first six months by noticeable changes in style, cohesiveness and individual players performing better. These games right now are coming thick and fast and Arteta’s input will be relatively small. Give it a couple of months and I hope and think we’ll be feeling a lot happier.

    At half time against Chelsea, my mates and I were struggling to remember a better half of football this season. Obviously the bar has been set low but right now the player’s confidence is as about as low as it can get. Good early signs despite the eventual result.

    I think we will finish around 8th and if we progress further in the EL and we have some promising results in the FA cup, most fans will be okay with that.

    Emery has to be judged as someone who was unable to get his message across to his players, I don’t think many people doubt Arteta’s ideas will not be understood by the self same players.

  92. Bamford10

    Un Na

    “but someone made a great point earlier. Why did you not hold Emery to the same standards you held Wenger?”

    That wasn’t a great point; it was a really silly point — a sillier point even than that same person’s subsequent silly point. Why did I not hold Emery to things that Wenger achieved over the course of 22 years at the club, with different squads and in different PL’s? Ummm, because to do so would be stupid, especially when the new manager had only been at this new club for 18 months. I guess if Emery had been given 22 years at Arsenal I might have held him to the same standards.

    Why should we hold Arteta to the same standards we held Emery to? Because Arteta is competing in the same PL with the exact same squad. Indeed, he might get reinforcements in January, so it might be a better squad. That he hasn’t had a pre-season with this team is overblown. We were told that this was a top four quality squad that should be contending for top four. If that’s the case, then surely Arteta should be able to catch a Sheffield, a Wolves, an Everton and a Palace and finish 7th. To say that this is expecting too much is to admit that you don’t believe this is a top four quality squad. If this is a top four quality squad, then he certainly can achieve the above. We are only 6 points behind Wolves and we have a game in hand.

  93. Marko

    Don I wonder if you thought Jose a legend back in the day when he used to embarrass Wenger with some interesting put downs.

    Bati’s right though Jose don’t ever change once a cunt always a cunt he’ll be looking for a new job inside 2 and a half seasons. Nice little pay off onto the next one. Couldn’t happen to a nicer club

  94. Nelson

    A reporter has seen Dani Ceballos and Granit Xhaka arrive with the matchday squad at the Emirates. It is not sure whether they’ll start.

  95. Rambo

    Arsenal is definitely gonna be involved in a relegation scrap at some point this season. It could be in as soon as the next fortnight.

  96. Pierre

    League position means nothing this season ( as long as we are not relegated) though a relegation battle may toughen some of them up.

    A couple of good cup runs to bring the feel good factor back to the club is about it.

    Don’t be surprised if we pull a trophy out of the bag this season .

  97. alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    Fair points.
    I thought some of the anti Emery stuff was a little much and a lot of it seemed to be based on the fact that he was not Arteta.

    Pedro’s evangelical, happy clappy support of Arteta has been irritating at times and I hope he holds him to the same standards he held wenger and emery to.

    But, having said all that, I was on board with the arteta appointment when it first came up.
    This is because Arsenal fc will not attract or go for an Allegri type hire. The club aren’t willing to provide an established ‘elite’ coach with the resources they expect and are accustomed to.

    Therefore, you have the choice between a Benitez type hire or someone young and unproven like Arteta.
    Let’s go for the second option and see what happens. Why not..

  98. Receding Hairline

    Pierre it’s only in your world that wishing your team start picking up three points equate to not backing the coach and wanting him to fail.

    Wanting him to fail is setting the bar low or as with some of you setting no bar at all. Free pass season. Seems you don’t check the scores and see teams below us picking up points.

    Anyway you are a troll and not to be taken seriously.