Arteta makes Mesut Özil the centerpiece

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via @Arsenal

HAPPY NEW YEAR! HOW ARE YOU FEELING? Ok, ok, I’ll stop the shouting, but I will maintain a quiet energy with the prose because I need you up for the BIG game today.

It’s a huge one, Arsenal takes on Manchester United at home for Arteta’s 3rd game.

I think it’s a stretch to think we’re going to take points from them today. A draw would be excellent work, 3 points would have us all buzzing, but when you look at how their squad is fitness-wise and look at ours, it makes for grim reading.

We are missing a lot of defenders, which is difficult to deal with because even when we’re fully fit, we’re not exactly 90s Milan at the back. There might be some good news with regards to Bellerin who is close to returning, but knowing how fragile he’s been, you’d be hard-pressed to imagine he’ll start.

The manager was keen to impress that the defensive failures at Chelsea; with a very weak backline, were not structural.

“It wasn’t a transition where we had a bad structure or a bad organisation, when we are defending big spaces on equal numbers or are outnumbered – it wasn’t the case at all,”

“We made one half-bad decision [to back off] and these teams, when in space, they punish you, for sure. But the other option is to defend all the time and be there [in defensive areas] and we don’t want that.”

So at the very least, we’ll be prepared to deal with United. They have extremely fast forwards, they’ll probe for counter-attacks and they’ll look to stretch us using width. Arteta only recently tasted a loss against them when he was at City, it was quite a lucky United performance, but OGS had his team of workhorses make last years Champions look very old.

Going forward is where we’ll have to provide something more interesting. Containing their threat won’t be enough, we need to create chances. The good news here is Gabriel might be back in contention, his aggression in the press and all-round threat could be highly valuable to us. I’d also imagine we’ll be seeing a start from Pepe, there has to be some rotation today and that seems like the most obvious place to start. It’s hard to work out what the issue is with the Ivorian because no one will say explicitly, but it reads a blend of work rate and general fitness levels. 3 managers in a row can’t be wrong.

Ceballos is also back in contention, people forget he’s a young player, under a coach that helps him, he might be U21 Championship Dani, so it’s a new start for him.

Xhaka is also fit. Again, not my favourite player, but he’d start in our midfield at the moment. If he doesn’t play, we’ll know he’s off to Berlin. Worry with him is he mails it in as a final fuck you to the fans that booed him.

I mused before the manager started that he’d look for a turnaround project, and it seems he has one, he’s going all out to make Mesut Ozil the star of the show again. Makes sense, he’s used to having lots of #10 like talents to work with at City and on his day, no one can touch Ozil. Additionally, we have no one that gets close to him on the creativity front. We are a more intelligent team with him at his best. The German looks happy on the pitch, he’s put in two dirty shifts, he’ll have another chance to find his level again today and hopefully offer something more decisive.

“Mesut is putting in everything he has and his numbers, physically, have improved so much,”

“On his own he can’t do it. He needs the collective structure, organisation and his teammates. He needs the team to play in a certain way to facilitate his strengths more and more in the game. That’s what we’re trying to do.

“I put him in the team if I see every day that his attitude, desire and understanding of what we’re trying to do is there. The moment that this changes, then he won’t play.”

At the end of the day, he loves living in London, he loves his contract, and he’s a human… he’ll want to be impressing the fans, no one wants to be hated. He might also have the afterlife on his mind, if he tanks another manager, no one will risk giving him the big bucks in 18 months. Wenger didn’t have a machine that worked for him towards the end, Emery couldn’t see past running him into the ground in a shit system… it seems like Arteta has a more thoughtful approach to extracting creativity from him, whilst pushing him to support the system. It’ll be very interesting to see what the physical output looks like today, because he has done a lot of work in a short space of time. Some will say we’ve seen this film before, but maybe with a more elevated thinker in the dugout, it could be a different ending this time.

The main worry I have about today is how another loss will affect morale. Bournemouth was just an unlucky day at the shooting range, the Chelsea game was bad luck with fitness and Mustafi… we really need a result to prove out the hard work and progress. The fans will be buzzing for the game this evening, a classic win would be a great way to start the year, let’s see where we land.

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments x

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  1. Dissenter

    Marc
    Have a wonderful new year and decade.
    What makes you think Emery liked Mustafi. The guy was using the players Arsenal provided him. When individual errors repeatedly cost us, people said he deserved it be as he used a PowerPoint presentation in the interview. He was blamed for not providing the proper structure to mitigate individual errors.

    We have to hold every manager to the same standard. I’m just laying out the framework for how Arteta ought to be assessed.

  2. Pierre

    Bamford
    “. Arsenal players did not begin to lose their confidence until after the 2-0 loss to Leicester on November 9th”

    I think you are wrong .
    I would say that the draw away to Watford where we conceded 25 shots on goal in the 2nd half alone , that was the moment the fans , the players and the manager started to have serious doubts about what was happening on and off the pitch.

    Since that day , we have lost away to shef utd, drew at home to palace and wolves with 20 + shots conceded and beat villa after being 2 down .

    Then the shit really set in , didn’t it.

  3. Marc

    Bamford

    It was clear to anyone watching that things weren’t right either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

    I don’t hold any grudge against Emery – it didn’t work out life goes on.

  4. Champagne charlie

    “Got to agree to a degree. Arsenal have problems but Chelsea, ManU and the Spud’s have all been poor over a recent period as well.I’m still of the opinion that we need to give it a couple of months before we really make any serious judgements on what Arteta’s doing.“

    What’s this in response to? Sorry, I’m on my phone so a bit scatty with things.

  5. Receding Hairline

    Still going with this 18 months of misery are we? Thought that nonsense should have been dropped last decade.

    During that 18 months of misery we wiped the floor with Chelsea and United at home,we won 21 league games that season, we got to a European final disposing of Napoli and Valencia along the way.

    We also played some great matches that saw the man on the touchline react to what was happening on the pitch, made changes and won it.

    Unai Emery had a horrible start to the premier league season and was deservedly sacked in November. Move on from him and start demanding the players do their jobs and the manager reacts to opposition change in tactics. Two games now in which he has failed to do so.

  6. Dissenter

    If player poverty does not exist, then Arteta shouldn’t even be afforded that excuse.
    We should see Arsenal shoot up the league table and Pedro wouldn’t be laying the groundwork for a probably loss today.
    Of the Chelsea and United game at home, the United one always looked like the more difficult one. They have pace in almost every position and will probably tear us to bits today.
    Problem is the next league game is not for another 10 days so we will stew in relegation zone misery for a while.

  7. TR7

    Dissenter

    Wenger had Xhaka and Mustafi too and even with them he used to dispatch most lower teams with ease. Under Emery those teams created 20 plus chances on an average. So i guess criticism of Emery was justified.

  8. Marc

    Cc

    Just the comment you made about player poverty and only Liverpool and City out of the so called top teams really showing any level of quality.

  9. Dissenter

    The way they talk about 18 months of misery, one would think there were net times when we were imperial under Emery.
    He had his good moments too, his strengths and weaknesses. Ultimately he couldn’t reverse the slide, lost control of the dressing room and deserved to be sacked. It’s a results business, the same way Arteta has to be held accountable based on results.
    The bottom of the league table is moving up, Watford are winning, Villa won today, Westham have signed Moyes… it is imperative that we start getting results because we are going to be caught up in relegation much pretty soon.

  10. Un na naai

    A draw tonight
    2-2
    I expect to see us improve on a our chelsea performance. Really think Arteta knows exactly what he wants and what he’s doing with this team. Knows how to get the best out of certain players. Knows how to line up. Who best represents his footballing philosophy.

    This guy knows
    Arteta knows best!!!
    I’m already swooning.

  11. Paulinho

    TR7 – When Guardiola went to City straight away they City’s passing bore the style of a typical Guardiola team. They played some nice stuff around August, Sept. Then the wheels came off due to lack of quality in certain areas and how that lack of quality manifested itself with Guardiola’s philosophy, and they ended up getting smashed 4-2 at Leicester, 4-0 Everton and lost 3-1 at home to Chelsea.

    So, linear improvement is always assumed with philosophy managers, but it’s far from a given if personnel issues are addressed.

  12. Gentlebris

    ‘Tell me when you ask “clients” if they want fries with that do you shake hands to close the deal?’

    Exactly the reason you didn’t understand what a business handshake meant. The only type of ‘clients’ you have ever had to deal with were those seeking to buy fries.

    Seriously guy, you are a rock bottom case, a bitter potato peeler.

  13. Champagne charlie

    Marc

    But you’re agreeing with what I’m saying surely in the following?

    “Got to agree to a degree. Arsenal have problems but Chelsea, ManU and the Spud’s have all been poor over a recent period as well.“

    I’m saying, outside the top two, the difference in quality is negligible and there’s certainly scope for a competition for the remaining 2 places.

    Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Spurs have had comparable talent levels the past two seasons. Leicester are hugely overachieving this season imo, and taking full advantage of the collective lack of consistency in Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, United.

  14. Dissenter

    TR7
    Of course the criticism of Emery was and is still justified.
    I called you out because you were using the individual error card to defend Arteta for the loss at home to Chelsea.
    Lampard took Arteta out of the game by merely adding an extra midfielder in the 30th minute, hardly genius …yet Arteta could do NOTHING to counter that basic move.
    Arteta was also late in making changes for the last game of the calendar year when player fatigue is an issue. He made mistakes too, by omission or commission..maybe inexperience factored in as well.
    You always argued to poo poo the idea of individual player errors for Emery, why is it different now?

  15. Un na naai

    I thought what we saw against Chelsea is enough to know that Arteta is a man with the world at his feet. Already what we’ve seen is a massive improvement tactically and physically from emery and last 3 years of wenger.

    Even Marko has been impressed.
    Luiz Torreira and AMN were very good as was ozil
    Aubameyang worked hard on the left

    Quite telling that Arteta too preferes Lacazette as the focal point of the attack. Exactly what I’d do but I’m surprised he leave Pepe out for so long. If he doesn’t start then he’s got to give the guy a 20-25 run at their defence
    Give them a new problem to solve

    Chambers will be a big loss but we do have holding coming back
    Those two are going to be our starting pair next season if they are both fit I’ll guarantee it.

  16. Dissenter

    Unai na
    You drooling for the mouth at the prospect of a 2-2 draw?

    If he knows best, why set your bar so low?
    AKBs will always be AKBs, they just have to change the name behind the Arsenal

  17. Champagne charlie

    In Wengers final season we finished in the EL places and went out in the EL semi finals on away goals to eventual winners Atletico.

    You can spin any season to be less doomsday about it, fact is we tanked in the league and then came unstuck in the EL. Emery tanked in the league and came unstuck in the EL…..with more players at his disposal.

  18. Pierre

    It was always going to happen.

    Arteta fails to win his opening 2 games and the know nothings are out in force defending Emery’s record .

    They will ultimately be proved wrong again.
    give it a year or so from now when we are sitting near the top of the league playing quality football, the know nothings will have nowhere to hide.

    They never learn do they.

  19. Marko

    I’ll be honest I’m a little worried and confused about Arteta’s recent comments but I assume that he’s just trying to say the right things to get a response from someone who’s guaranteed to play with Xhaka leaving and Ceballos still injured. He’s 31/32 declining and coming up on his final season with absolutely no chance of an extension so Mikel building anything around him is in the shortest of short term imo. Still major red flags already on his appointment his comments on Xhaka and now Ozil but he gets the benefit of doubt

  20. Bamford10

    TR7

    “Wenger had Xhaka and Mustafi too and even with them he used to dispatch most lower teams with ease. Under Emery those teams created 20 plus chances on average.”

    One, that’s not an apples to apples comparison, as Wenger had any number of players (Monreal, Koscielny, Ramsey, Bellerin) in his XI that Emery did not have available to him, players who would have significantly improved Emery’s XI.

    Two, Emery finished seven points better and one place higher in his first season than Wenger did in the previous, so this notion that Wenger did better with the same players is false.

    Three, the PL is stronger today than it was a few years back.

    Four, the further you go back in time to find examples of Wenger supposedly doing better than Emery, the more different the squads available to them will be, and the more different the PL’s they were competing in will be — and therefore the more apples to oranges such comparisons will be.

  21. Un na naai

    GentlebrisJanuary 1, 2020 15:13:45
    Un, how was the le grove jail?

    Bris
    Not nice. I’ll have to tow the line a bit more in future. Wouldnt have mattered so much in the emery era but I want to be in the mix for Arteta and getting involved in the conversation.
    I’m super excited for the future under him. I really expect big things. Maybe not a league win but he will have us up there again beifre he goes
    Who knows maybe we can win things under him but it’s a lot to expect

  22. Wenker-wanger

    What’s happened at arsenal is the almost sudden realisation that we are not a quality team. The unbeaten run we had last season masked over quite serious inadequacies all over the park.
    We tended to blame the managers….when the squad itself wasn’t capable of beating top 5 sides….
    It hit home at the end of emerys reign that the midfield and defense were short of resilience and. Strength and just basic defending skills.
    Having said that the foundation for this squad was assembled by Wenger…..a selection of duds:Xhaka, etc and the obvious own goal of not focusing on a proper tough captain. This lack of leadership on the pitch, despite Wenger’s claim to have 5 captains,???? Really helped to let the rot set in quietly.
    Artetas will not be able to do much in terms of results…but I think performances will improve.

  23. Aussie Gooner

    OK – Southampton have just taken the lead against the Spuds. Good news (obviously) and bad news – we are now 13th in the live EPL ladder!

  24. Dissenter

    Pierre
    Emery deserved to be sacked
    Emery deserved to be sacked
    Emery deserved to be sacked.

    Let that percolate into your agenda-thickened vertex then apply the reasoning required to understand the points being made.

  25. Un na naai

    DissenterJanuary 1, 2020 15:16:21
    Unai na
    You drooling for the mouth at the prospect of a 2-2 draw?If he knows best, why set your bar so low?
    AKBs will always be AKBs, they just have to change the name behind the Arsenal

    Dissenter

    We’ve 8 players out with a squad so short on confidence we couldn’t muster results canon fodder.
    Had he been appointed 2-3 months ago if he far more confident. We had the beating of chelsea a few days ago. Only a Leno howler allowed them back in.
    I’m drooling at the way a coach who’s never been no1 before has instantly embarrassed the safe pair of hands, experienced option in two games

    Rightly so

  26. Rambo

    “give it a year or so from now when we are sitting near the top of the league playing quality football, the know nothings will have nowhere to hide.”

    Neither will the ‘know-eveythings’ IE you

  27. Dissenter

    Southampton are another club that are moving up the table from the bottom …sucking us into the periphery of the relegation zone in the process.
    Yet some are drooling at the prospect of a 2-2 draw.

  28. TR7

    Paulinho

    ‘So, linear improvement is always assumed with philosophy managers, but it’s far from a given if personnel issues are not addressed.’

    But would you not agree the way forward for us is a possession style game even though it may take time ? In my view Emery style was not a sustainable style irrespective of quality of players at his disposal. At least with Arteta it looks like we are taking baby steps in the right direction. As for players, even the best of teams need a few additions every summer let alone a struggling team like Arsenal. So player upgradation is a continuous exercise. But embarking on the right path is a pre-requisite for any future success.

  29. Champagne charlie

    Almost made it 16 hours into the New Year before relegation was proclaimed yet again by the resident Mayan.

    Arsenal to be relegated, and the club liquidated if we cant get Özil off the books.

  30. Gentlebris

    ‘Not nice. I’ll have to tow the line a bit more in future. Wouldnt have mattered so much in the emery era but I want to be in the mix for Arteta and getting involved in the conversation.’

    I’m glad you are back, Un. And what a day to be back!

  31. Bamford10

    Charlie

    No one here has ever claimed that Team X beating Team Y = Team X has a better squad than Team Y. No one. Ever. Please stop with this bogus straw-man argument.

  32. Marko

    But as has been said by many others myself included that Southampton game prior to the international break they should have bipped and had someone in mind for the job. They wasted so much time and likely pissed away the season there and then. Mikel in with some easier games and points and more time and we could be much closer to take advantage of Chelsea and others dropping points. Such a shame. Hindsight is a great thing though another example being had we got Klopp in 2015 instead of giving Wenger a new deal we’d likely be top tier and challenging for titles now

  33. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    Yes, you’ve never that argument at all…

    Not like you cited Wolves victory over City as some indication that they’re superior to us in squad or anything either. The lines you draw for such an “argument” change relative to what you fancy using that day.

  34. Wenker-wanger

    Danny ings scores again!
    Not a flamboyant charismatic striker, but does the business time and time again.

  35. Marko

    Upamecano is on this month. Leipzig still interested in that PSG CB and are close to signing Henrichs from Monaco he’s a RB which means Klostermann and Mukilele (sp?) could play CB. It’s aligning up nicely for us

  36. Un na naai

    Dissenter

    No. I’m not drooling at the thought of a 2-2 draw, I am however, excited that we have the guy we should have hired 18 months ago and he’s already embarrassing you and the utter tripe you’ve been spouting since wenger left
    I’m drooling at the emergence of an arsenal coach that not only plays the arsenal way, as we’ve seen already (10 days into his tenure) but enforced discipline and knows how to improve the teams defensive shape and strategies (as we’ve seen Already)

    It’s been a year and a half of depressive football from emery. The bloke twisted himself in knots. Didn’t have the foggiest on how to get us playing
    Like a human spaghetti bolognese by the end of it.

  37. Paulinho

    TR7 – I prefer that style yes, but I always try and put personal preference aside and be objective. Teams can get drunk on possession, and become quickly muddled if the squad isn’t good enough to be efficient enough at both ends of the pitch. Eventually that core possession game becomes less effective as morale drops and we see poor football regardless of philosophy, and the manager has to compromise and change tact.

  38. TR7

    Bamford

    PL.has always been very competitive, always ! Emery had a poorer record in his first 50 games than Wenger’s last 50 games, the worst 50 games of his Arsenal career. So I don’t know why you always tom tom one league position higher finish under Emery.

  39. Gentlebris

    Chelsea have lost to United in two fixtures already this season, lost to Southampton immediately before a game against us, beat us in front of our own crowd, and couldn’t beat Brighton right after that.

    Arsenal are showing relegation pattern already and people are telling us it’s okay if we can’t win a home game again today, they are saying a draw would be an excellent work.

    Here on le grove, not Untold!

  40. Un na naai

    Clearly I’d rather a win but he’s only been in the job 2 fucking weeks and he’s already had us

    outplaying Chelsea who were fucking jammy as hell
    Improved our shape
    Improved our midfield
    Improved our off ball movement
    Improved work rate
    Improved passing.
    Got performances from ozil and Luiz

  41. Wenker-wanger

    Wenger was shite and emery had tactics at least but had zero communication skills and seemingly no popularity with the players.
    The rot was set in by Wenger in the holiday Home with high wages set up he let flourish.

  42. China1

    Pierre why would you presume that all the negativity will return to ozil soon?

    If he’s an elite and just misunderstood player who is better supported by the new regime then surely he’ll be more than able to maintain his good form and logically improve on it as the team builds familiarity and confidence with the new manager and system

    It’s almost as if you expect that your favourite player might soon perform his world reknowned vanishing act again and draw calls of laziness from (almost) everyone who isn’t you…

    Almost…

  43. Un na naai

    TR7January 1, 2020 15:38:06
    BamfordPL.has always been very competitive, always ! Emery had a poorer record in his first 50 games than Wenger’s last 50 games, the worst 50 games of his Arsenal career. So I don’t know why you always tom tom one league position higher finish under Emery.

    Tr7

    Because it’s the only statistic he can site that backs his bogus argument. Every other metric tells a different story
    Which is why Bamford has to continually dress up his opinion as fact.
    Like Thierry Henry being salty means anything in the real world of footballing performances outside of Bamford’s head

  44. Receding Hairline

    TR7 except we really didn’t play possession based football against Chelsea. We surprised them with energy and the extra man in midfield, once the change was made and second half started we played deeper and deeper. Barely held on to the ball nor did we win it back.

    Early days but the proclamation of the return of possession based play is a bit premature. Maybe give it a few games more.

  45. China1

    A draw against this utd team is not excellent. They had something like their lowest points tally at Xmas for a few decades. Half the league has taken points off them

    They have a handful of good players and extremely hit and miss form.

    If they show up at 100% they’ll likely do us but the league table says they usually aren’t showing up close to 100% and that means the door is very much open for us to get a result

  46. Ishola70

    Gentlebris
    “glad you are here.Would do you think the result has to be today?

    Well if the team don’t win tonight then there really needs to be an away win at Crystal Palace

  47. Un na naai

    RH

    He came through at La Masia, played under wenger in our most tika taka era and was no2 to the most successful possession based coach in world football.

    What are you expecting? George Graham/Jose bus parking?

  48. Nelson

    Most of us were willing to give Emery the benefit of the doubt until the season ending collapse and the total lost of confidence this season. As an Arsenal fan, I wish the fan base be united for awhile and support the coach and the players. I think they need our support.

  49. Wenker-wanger

    Lots of very good players that would lift us…Redmond, delafaue,Traore..and more.
    Proper performing premier League players.
    The folly of buying French league duds surely must end.

  50. Un na naai

    RH

    Under pressure? They created two chances
    The other was gifted. Arguably both.

    We outplayed them. Unthinkable under emery. There is hope we can win tonight. Had emery been in charge there would be no hope tonight.

  51. Batistuta

    We’re 13th now and if you look at our upcoming fixtures, hard to see where the win is going to come from… Teams in and around us are picking up points left and right and it’s getting crowded down there…. We need to pick up a win today

  52. China1

    Wenger wenker buying from the French league doesn’t mean buying duds, it just means we’ve bought duds

    We could’ve bought kante way back when or mbappe before Monaco or their entire national team if we’d been early enough…

    France is currently an absolute hotbed for young talent so I think your ire you should be at our scouts for getting the wrong players rather than the league

  53. Biggles

    I think it’s important that we judge Arteta by the same metrics that we judge any other manager/coach – results. Fast, attacking football with lots of goals is lovely, but if you don’t win, it’s all for nought.

    I’ll cut Arteta some slack at the moment because 1) we have a lot of injuries 2) I think we’ve had a mentality/leadership issue for years 3) he’s an inexperienced coach and I think that means he will face a harder time getting buy in from the players that say Klopp would have.

    He DOESN’T get slack for but having his own stamp on the squad – the era of king managers is meant to be over, remember? Those articles about directors of football like Monchi and Rangnick and corporate structure etc means that Arteta shouldn’t be expected to ever have a full say in squad composition, ergo no slack that it doesn’t have “his” signings.

    There have been some positive signs in the last couple of games, but Silva had some positive signs after replacing Allardyce and it wasn’t enough either. Ugly, defensive winning still beats beautiful losing. I’ll give Arteta time, but he needs to quickly fix the fact that only Norwich and Watford have fewer league wins than we do.

    I hope Pedro holds Arteta to the same standards that he held Emery to.

  54. Dissenter

    It seems like Watford we’re dead certain to go down, same as Villa. Now only a bad gambler will bet against them.
    It’s only a few hours into the new year and our in-house sponge bob square pants is still in denial about our proximity to the drop zone.
    Head in sand … all is good

  55. Marko

    This is true though all the good will and best intentions with regards to Arteta is all well and good but we need to start actually winning games and give up on being impressed when we don’t. Feel like he has to get a win tonight honestly.

  56. TR7

    Same

    Loftus Cheek and Deulofeu are the kind of players who won’t need a lot of bedding time should we go for them. Loftus Cheek is exactly the type of CM we need at Arsenal.

  57. Gentlebris

    ‘Well if the team don’t win tonight then there really needs to be an away win at Crystal Palace’

    But we have to win today, Ishola!

    I tried extracting a comment from you because you are well known to be sitting on the fence re- Arteta.

    But you must know we have to win!

  58. Un na naai

    Samesong

    Well we already are!!
    Look at the amount of young players coming through between us and Chelsea. We are in the markets in France, Germany and Spain for players too. Leno, upamencano, Pepe, Ceballos.

    Arteta and edu will have their people in Spain anyway so I’ll expect some focus there for midfielders and edu will be looking at South America for untapped resources. Nobody expected a treat like martinelli for £6m

  59. Pierre

    At least it will create a little tension and excitement if we are dragged into the relegation dogfight.

    I’d like to see us have a couple of good cup runs.

  60. Champagne charlie

    We lost our opening two games under Emery and then went on a 23 game unbeaten run, he was eventually outed as a fraud here.

    Let’s just stop the pretence about what “needs” to occur in terms of results in the immediate to dictate this or that.

  61. Ishola70

    Biggles
    “I think it’s important that we judge Arteta by the same metrics that we judge any other manager/coach – results”

    Honestly Arsenal shouldn’t be operating in some parallel world to the rest of the entire football universe.

    It just doesn’t work that way.

    Coaches/ managers in the end are judged by results.

    Arteta if he proves good enough will temper and allay fears soon enough with some positive results.

  62. Marko

    England is the place to be now. So much talent coming through our academies.

    Not sure that’s totally accurate. It’s just that more and more German clubs are doing what English clubs used to do for years which is pick up young talent for their academies with the hope that they’ll make it through. But in all honesty outside of Jadon Sancho who’s an absolute freak there’s not much more to go on that England is producing better talent than other countries at the moment. You look at Nelson on loan at Hoffenheim did very well more or less but hasn’t really kicked on, ESR linked with a loan to Leipzig but doesn’t know what his best position is seems kinda stagnant. Leipzig also brought in Ampadu last summer from Chelsea he’s barely played and Lookman from Everton and he’s struggling for game time.

  63. Bamford10

    Charlie

    Well, one, those are two different claims, so please stop treating them as one and the same claim, i.e., please stop with the bogus straw-man argument.

    Two, are you still of the view that Wolves do not have a better squad than we do? Interesting. If so, please note that Arsenal were only four points below Wolves when Arteta took over. If we have better players than Wolves do, as you’ve now implied several times, then surely Arteta should be able to make up the difference (4 points) between us and them in the 20 PL matches he will manage this season. Right? If we have better players than Wolves do, shouldn’t he be able to make up that difference and get us above Wolves by the end of the season? I would think so.

    If he doesn’t make up that difference, however, that will serve as evidence of one of two things: one, either we don’t have better players than Wolves — i.e., you were wrong — or two, Arteta wasn’t able to use his superior players to make up that difference. If Wolves happen to increase the difference between us and them in the remaining games, this truth (whichever it is) will become even more apparent.

  64. TR7

    ‘Let’s just stop the pretence about what “needs” to occur in terms of results in the immediate to dictate this or that.’

    We aren’t going to get relegated and we aren’t getting top 4. I don’t know why people say ‘we definitely need a win today/next game’ kind of stuff.

  65. Marko

    We lost our opening two games under Emery and then went on a 23 game unbeaten run, he was eventually outed as a fraud here.

    We’re one win in what 13? He needs a win soon

  66. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I don’t disagree, I’ve said as much is important for confidence and overall adherence to Arteta as a leader. But it’s going overboard when folk claim we need this or that return in results. We’ve been down that path before.

  67. Aussie Gooner

    Should West Ham win today and win their game in hand (big ask I know) and we lose today they will be above us. Yes we will be in 14th place! Should Villa, Watford, Norwich and Bournemouth win today we will be in a religation battle pretty soon. Why do so many have their heads buried in the sand? This is the reason we are in trouble. I know many on here are counting on Arteta sauce, new manager bounce, top 4 squad etc but really – wake up and smell the coffee. 1994/5 we finished 12th – yes 25 years ago! Think on!

  68. Receding Hairline

    We need to win because we are desperately close to the relegation places, we need to win because the longer we don’t the more the doubts continue and the so called fragile confidence remains fragile at best. We need to win because everyone else is managing to do so without compromising the long term future of their football club or their style of play.

    The idea we should all forego results to build a brighter future is flawed. We are playing our second home game in a row,we haven’t won at home since October, we need to start winning football matches for the now.

    Napoli just sacked Ancellotti, guess he was outed as a fraud too.

  69. Ishola70

    TR7

    “We aren’t going to get relegated and we aren’t getting top 4. I don’t know why people say ‘we definitely need a win today/next game’ kind of stuff.”

    Surely this complete pass stuff has to stop.

    And no Arsenal are not comfortable enough in midtable atm to be just shrugging off defeats or lack of wins.

  70. Dissenter

    Pierre
    ‘ At least it will create a little tension and excitement if we are dragged into the relegation dogfight.’

    You really want to put this young manager, relatively new back room and characterless squad through a relegation dog fight?
    Not surprising though, coming from you.

  71. Receding Hairline

    Watford go two up. If only they knew the harm that would to the future of their club.

    They have hosted United and Wolves at home since appointing Pearson and it seems they will be picking up Max points from both games. Long way to go yet in the game before Charlie celebrates a wolves goal like he did the Newcastle equaliser the other day.

  72. Batistuta

    Absolutely burying your head in if you saying we don’t need to win games cuz we are not getting relegated or cuz you feel we are too big to be dragged down there….Take a look at the table and look at our upcoming fixtures… We absolutely need to start winning games

  73. Ishola70

    Let’s just say if Arsenal don’t start winning and let’s say for example in the next three or four EPL matches then there will but no choice but to demand wins.

    The it’s ok line with perceived improved performances but no concrete result to back it up will go totally out of the window.

    It will then become we don’t care how shit we play we need to win any way. Ugly, unimpressive.

  74. Marko

    I’ve said as much is important for confidence and overall adherence to Arteta as a leader

    Exactly so we need a win soon. You’re bound to get people going overboard that’s just natural with dissenter about and with people like bris who are just so against the appointment but irrespective of that we are a club struggling to get results,low on confidence and with an inexperienced manager who people have doubts over. The sooner he gets a win and then another win and another the sooner things will actually look up and not just things are looking up because we’re whatever better under Mikel. It’s a results business at the end of the day

  75. Un na naai

    Marko

    Outside of Jadon sancho ?? there are of course some number of highly promising british players. Greenwood and rashford
    Mount odoi Reece James and Tammy. At Chelsea
    Liverpool have Robertson and Trent. Ben Woodburn and Ryan Kent coming through look like serious young players
    We have Saka, ESR, willock and two young strikers called Balogun and Sam greenwood who juventus were trying hard to poach
    Maddison and Chilwell at Leicester.
    Foden at city

    These players are all bubbling under the team that made the semi final two years ago and they are just the ones we have heard of.

  76. CazOnARola

    Realistically draw is the best we can do with this set of players after 3 games in a row no matter who is managing the squad.
    Having said that, the subs in the last game were a tad late. There was definitely and option to send willock on and ask him to sit on jorginho. But again it’s willock /any player in the squad disciplined and for enough to do that?

    We will have to give Arteta the benefit of the doubt and wait for 10 games before we judge how he reacts to changes in tactics from the opposition.

    Also recently the focus seems to have been on concentrating on the opposition because we had completely lost our identity. Without much time to train the, we will have to give Arteta the benefit of the doubt here again. He is probably finding it tough to coach one way of playing, makes it doubly to coach 2/3 basic setups for different opposition tactics.

    It doesn’t absolve him completely, but does but him some time.

  77. Batistuta

    Also we’re not comfortable in mid-table, we’re most likely going to lose our next two going by form which will mean us being right in a fight down there… I don’t get where some of you are getting this confidence that we’re too big to be dragged down there from

  78. azed

    “We had the beating of chelsea a few days ago. Only a Leno howler allowed them back in.”

    In

    We’d have been Spurs away last season but Aubameyang’s penalty miss and Mustafi’s brain fart let them win

    We’d have beaten Brighton last season but Xhaka’s stupidity let them in.

    Mustafi cost us the second goal against Crystal Palace last season

    You blamed Emery for not finishing 4th, you have to blame Arteta for the mistakes of the players. You can’t have one rule for Emery and another for Arteta.

  79. Dissenter

    RH
    ‘ Long way to go yet in the game before Charlie celebrates a wolves goal like he did the Newcastle equaliser the other day’

    You this guy. You gave the memory of an elephant.
    Charlie jumped at the Newcastle goal then quietly went away when the result didn’t prove whatever point he was trying to make.

  80. Dream10

    Southampton vs Spurs
    Mike Dean doesn’t even review the handball incident on the screen pitchside. He relies on Anthony Taylor’s judgment.

    In Serie A or BuLi, the ref uses the monitor and likely awards a penalty. PL referees interpret the rules the way they want to. Awful

  81. Batistuta

    Southampton have been brilliant today and of late, amazing how they’ve reacted to that mauling from Leicester some weeks back…. Bedranek, Ings and Holjberg bossing it today….

    Spurs meanwhile are a very confusing team

  82. Receding Hairline

    Dissenter he hoped no one noticed but I did. Was becoming very uncomfortable he was with the Ancellotti praise he became a Newcastle fan.

    Fact is that Carlo won his first two games and Newcastle had a combined total of attempts on goal in the matches that was quite staggering. Shows improvement can coexist with results.

  83. Marko

    Eh sure Don. Probably just as much or more German, Spanish, French talent coming through. Also of the 18 players cited as evidence only 7 are starters for their parent clubs.

  84. Un na naai

    Azed

    Are you really trying to compare that performance against Chelsea to Brighton and palace last season? Seriously? I’ll chalk that comment down to you being on the back of a New Year’s Eve all nighter

  85. Receding Hairline

    TR7 telling that you cared enough to check what was needed to avoid the drop.

    No one really thinks we will go down, but seeing us plummet down the table after every match day is worrying. Really takes the enjoyment out of the game.

  86. Dissenter

    I still can’t believe that most of us sneered at the prospect of Nino managing Arsenal
    Wolves have real mental strength and character.
    Then have players a gazillion games this season and keep coming back. Then have as readily identifiable style.
    He’s a very good manager that’s backed by a good organization

  87. Receding Hairline

    Don there was nothing earth shattering about the performance against Chelsea. Just more energy in the first half followed by a second of everyone behind the ball.

    Did you even watch the game?

  88. Marko

    Sad thing is that we can’t even be bothered about the results of other teams anymore because game to game we don’t know if we can win or not. We simply have to turn our form around pronto

  89. Un na naai

    Marko

    There’s talent in all four markets and some gems in Italy too but with the money and effort that been poured into British academies in the last decades and the fact that Messi and Ronaldo’s decline handing a new era to premier league clubs I’d expect to see our academies being extremely fruitful in the coming years
    We are already seeing it around the U.K. with some stellar young players coming through
    Bayern willing to pay £40m for odoi a year ago.

    I could be wrong but that’s my prediction

  90. Dissenter

    In support of Bamford
    Wolves have a better squad than Arsenal
    More balanced, more versatile and far more athletic

  91. Dissenter

    “ Sad thing is that we can’t even be bothered about the results of other teams anymore because game to game we don’t know if we can win or not. We simply have to turn our form around pronto”

    Yuuup
    The prospect of Spuds losing doesn’t excite me as before. We have bigger problems

  92. Pierre

    Dissenter
    “I still can’t believe that most of us sneered at the prospect of Nino managing Arsenal
    Wolves have real mental strength and character.
    Then have players a gazillion games this season and keep coming back. Then have as readily identifiable style.
    He’s a very good manager that’s backed by a good organization”

    Yes ,he’s the complete opposite to Emery.

  93. Champagne charlie

    “Wow. Watford up 2-0 on Wolves. This again speaks to how competitive the PL is this season.“

    How does this one fit into your narrative? Go on lad, spin a few more lines of wisdom.

  94. Marko

    the money and effort that been poured into British academies in the last decades and the fact that Messi and Ronaldo’s decline handing a new era to premier league clubs I’d expect to see our academies being extremely fruitful in the coming years.

    What does Messi or Ronaldo have to do with anything? This is my point there’s no obvious era of anything from British clubs with regards to talent coming through the academies at best all your doing is catching up on other countries and what they’ve been producing for years. It’s not a slight or anything but you’re bonkers if you think that you’ve overtaken any other countries on the basis of Jadon Sancho being a success and some German clubs now going through a phase of prizing young English talent to Germany. English clubs have been doing it for years to them with mixed results.

  95. Champagne charlie

    “In support of Bamford
    Wolves have a better squad than Arsenal
    More balanced, more versatile and far more athletic”

    Can you explain why we finished 13 points clear of them last season then?

    Then tie that in with how our squad wasn’t top 4 quality when we finished 2 points off 3rd.

    Cheers 🤡

  96. Dissenter

    Pierre
    …and yet Emery is the more decorated manager.
    Get over it. Managers get fired all the time. They go else where and do well again.
    Emery deserved to be sacked, just so that you know.