Robbed, but the future is bright.

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Arsenal frittered away another 3 points against a top 6 side when they were downed by two late Chelsea goals. The result is very disappointing, the way it went down was very us, but you’d be hard-pressed to find many fans in that ground that weren’t happy with the way things are moving.

When it came down to it, there were some very fair mitigating circumstances the new manager was dealing with. We were missing Granit Xhaka, say what you will about him, he starts in this midfield. We were missing 3 full backs, plus Holding, Ceballos and Gabriel. That’s 7 players, which is a crisis. Then when we lost Cal Chambers, who was having a great game, and had to replace him with the absolutely dreadful Mustafi, well, you’re always going to struggle.

Both goals we conceded were very poor. I think the context, outside our limited set of players, was the amount of effort we were putting in. The players simply haven’t worked at that sort of level for a very long time, after 45 minutes, the energy levels noticeably dropped. In the second half that meant the players started to defend a lot deeper, which gave space for Chelsea to roam. We gave up our first goal from a hideous Bernd Leno error, he came racing out of his goal for a one-handed swipe at a cross, he missed, Jorginho was in at the back post for a finish he didn’t know much about. He’s been our best player this season, you just don’t expect that.

I don’t like to complain about reffing standards, but there’s no way Jorginho should have been on the pitch. In general, the tactical fouling on the halfway line was ignored by the ref for most of the day… arguably, if we’d been street smart enough, we’d have engaged in some of it for the second goal. Matteo G went for a header he was never going to win, he should have been sitting far deeper in my opinion, which is something I have no doubt will be fixed. Chelsea were allowed to run at us, Luiz and Mustafi dropped, and dropped, and dropped, the ball switched wide, Abrahams didn’t have Mustafi tight, he turned and put it past Leno. A shoddy piece of defending, but look, we’re not going to shake that in 2 weeks.

If there was a criticism to be had, I think it was about making aggressive subs a little earlier. Lacazette and Nelson weren’t offering much, I think there was a limited case to made that we could have brought on Pepe or John-Jules to bring more energy to the frontline. That said, when Pepe did come on, to watch and £80m winger spurn a chance because he couldn’t shift it onto his correct foot was quite depressing. Jules, well, an unknown quantity for a big game.

If we go to the first half, there was a lot more to be happy about. Firstly, the atmosphere is directly linked to what the fans are seeing on the pitch. We are energised by the efforts of the players, it’s fair to say the fans were buzzing for a large part of the game. Even after the game, there weren’t any boos, everyone respected the fight on show.

Arsenal were very compact. It was very refreshing to see our defenders a lot further up the pitch, people knew their positions, everyone was putting in a shift. I thought this new attitude was typified by the selfless performance of Auba. He held a very wide position all game and he actually tracked runners. A lot of people constantly rattle off the ‘not that sort of player’ line… well, Mesut Ozil and our best fox in the box are doing yards and making tackles now.

There wasn’t a whole lot of creation in the first half, but I think the purpose was more about containing Chelsea and nicking a goal where possible. Building from a solid foundation is what we’ve asked for over the years, we know we don’t need a lot of chances because we have elite finishers, so it was an interesting game from that purview.

I also thought we were very good in possession, again, it didn’t lead to much, but the passing in general was unrecognizable at times. We were seeing a different team that could move the ball out of the back fluidly, and shift the ball between the lines with relative ease. Chelsea were mostly chasing shadows for that opening 45, but what I loved is that were starting to reap the rewards of good off the ball positioning… Chelsea players were ratttled into making unforced errors just by where our players were positioned. Not perfect by any means, but you could see that we were difficult to attack.

Our goal came from a George Graham inspired setpiece. Cal Chambers, who is a beast in the air, nodded on for Auba at who was hunting in the box. It really was a shame he limped off with what looked like a serious injury.

A lot of people lay the genius of Chelsea at Frank Lampard’s feet when he switched Chelsea to a back 4 and brought on Jorginho. I’m not sure that was the difference-maker, I think Arsenal running out of steam was. When you’re tired, your body defaults… as a team, we defaulted to habits that Arteta hasn’t fully dealt with yet.

The game finished, but there were no boos. That was a heartening performance from a depleted team that’s about 2 weeks into a journey. We felt robbed, a bad feeling, but I didn’t expect to feel like that considering the circumstances. That’s a good sign.

I’m positive, I know most will expect me to be, but I think I’ve seen enough to know we’re heading in the right direction.

Arteta has taken over Arsenal in a chaotic fixture pile-up, with a broken squad, and very little confidence.

We’re seeing a huge amount of effort already. I read some people pondering whether Arsenal are capable of playing with intensity… absolutely. We’ve been playing with the handbrake on for well over a year, Arteta isn’t pushing Arsenal players to unachievable levels of effort, he’s bringing them up to a normal standard. It’s going to take time. We have a World Cup winning S&C coach who will be frontline shaping our intensity, we will be fine.  Key thing for me, I was unsure if Arteta would be able to motivate players to push themselves to breaking point, he can, that’s good news.

The players are responding well. I thought Luiz had an immense game, Torreira is playing like a proper DM, and Mesut Ozil has turned up for the second game in a row, Auba is defending, and AMN is looking very solid.

David Luiz had this to say.

“For me he will be one of the best coaches in the world,” Luiz said.

“I am lucky to have have had many good coaches in my career, he is intelligent, he is clever and I think he will be one of the best.

Sure, I can take that with a pinch of salt, but no one was saying this about Emery. My point here again is that the players are showing you they believe in Arteta with the effort, but they are saying they believe in his ideas, which is even more important. It takes time to learn a new way of playing. It took Klopp and Pep a while to bed in the way they wanted to play, it’ll take Mikel a while, but you’re seeing good signs.

I’m also positive that the manager can raise the level of the squad. We have good players, saying we don’t is lazy, it’s also usually peddled by people that liked Emery. We matched Chelsea fairly comfortably with 7 players missing, with a brand new manager… they’re 5 months into their project with a fully fit squad. We haven’t had proper fullbacks for two games, even the addition of Kola will help. Holding is going to be immensely welcome when he joins, a ball-playing centre back with athleticism. I’m sure Arteta will draw more from Ceballos and I’m pretty sure Martinelli is exactly the mould of player he wants in his side.

The second part of having fit players is being able to select from a bench. A lot of criticism was levelled for his subs yesterday, but really, how many game-changing options did he have? Pepe can’t get a start ahead of Nelson, we can keep hoping he’s the real deal, but all logical indicators point to him not being that player right now.

We’ve also lost our ‘ex-captain’ to Hertha Berlin. 1) This is his level 2) We will have to replace him. Hopefully we find someone with the power and pace he lacked. They also need to be able to pass. That signing needs to be a game-changer, there has to be a good plan there.

Results have to come, they will come, but there need to be a level of realism. We’re in the most intense part of the season with a new manager who is having to communicate most of his ideas in meetings and one on ones. Still, we’re seeing the beginnings of an identity, which is what we all wanted. The players are fighting for the club, something we’ve not seen for years. Fans in the stadium are backing the approach, lots of positive sentiment during and after the game. Good things will come, the next 6 weeks will be rough, but we are moving towards something very exciting.

Right, see you all in the comments. x

 

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  1. Marko

    Any rumours knocking about? I heard we apparently held talks with Rabiot personally Arteta but Juve seem pretty adamant that they don’t want him to leave. That might of course change if they were to get Vidal or Rakitic.

  2. Valentin

    Recall Eddie this winter and use him as understudy for Aubameyang.

    In the summer transfer window if somebody makes a large bid for Lacazette, sell him and bring a more physical striker. Not necessarily a young one more a battle scarred one willing to work hard at his last opportunity. Send both U21 strikers on loan in France or in Germany.

    Unless somebody is willing to pay his full wage, keep Özil as a 70 minutes player against cannon fodder teams.

    Buy a dominant defensive central midfielder. There are lots of such “relayeurs” players in France and Germany who can play 8 effectively. We just need to make sure that they can handle the physicality of the EPL.

    Buy an aggressive left footed CB. Again not necessarily a young one, but somebody who can still run (no Lichsteiner…) And who can defend 1v1 situation (no David Luiz).

  3. Tony

    Said on another site. I mid we should buy in Jan 18 month contract will show the kids how to play, both footed, is a magician and said himself still has unfinished business with The Arsenal.. Santi Carzola..would be a great new year gift

  4. Dissenter

    Graham
    “The fact of the matter is we allowed Emery to continue for far too long. The Watford game was pivotal as far as I was concerned. That game epitomised everything that was wrong with the team. No belief, no leadership, no idea what to do. That’s when Emery should have been shown the door. That game was on 15th September.”

    I agree
    That’s the day that I turned

  5. Edu me a favour

    Love this from Saka —

    “He’s someone who understands the players, understands the club and all the ideas that he’s bringing in,” Saka told Arsenal. “He has a clear strategy of how he wants us to play and we’re just really excited to work with him

    “He’s teaching us little things that we didn’t know before and just bringing in his own strategies, his own ways of playing. We can see that it’s going to work, we’re just looking forward to doing it.

    Maybe one thing that I’ve picked up straight away is that when nobody’s pressing you, you don’t need to pass the ball. What you can do is just get the ball, drive the ball forward a bit and wait for someone to come to you, commit a player, then pass it.

    “Then that man will be free or that man will have less pressure on him. It’s just attracting players before you pass the ball off, which will help our team-mates a lot on the pitch.

    He has his own way, his own philosophy and he’s even talked about bringing his own philosophy to the club, to try to bring the club back to the direction we need to be in.

    “We need to win games and win trophies, so I feel like he has that vision and that strategy. He knows how he wants us to get there. If we can be on board and do what he wants us to, we’ll do well.”

  6. SWGooner

    Would love to see us go in for Mikel’s good mate Fernandinho.. out of contract in the summer and would be great for a season to give us some leadership and direction!

  7. Champagne charlie

    “If we have had meaningless possession for the past three years why have you kept on about the importance of a player that has been the main provider of this meaningless possession?“

    No way Ishola, you’re going to try and segway a conversation about football philosophies into another Xhaka dig? You’ve truly caught me cold there, never would’ve imagined it.

    The fact our possession of late has been meaningless is down to the intention set out from the coach. Why has Arteta been here 10 days and already we see organisation, structure, passing patterns, movement, pressing take a sharp shift towards productive and resolute? It’s because the instructions are clear, they’re innovative, they’re detail oriented, and they consider the strengths of the players on hand.

    I’m not pleasuring your weird fetish to make anymore reference to Xhaka. What we’re doing goes above and beyond any player on staff.

  8. Marko

    Players will come back by mid Jan, hopefully a signing or two, then an upgrade in the summer focused on athleticism and youth.

    I thought we were broke/spent next season’s budget last summer?

    Hmmm

  9. CG

    A professional footballer

    “”””Maybe one thing that I’ve picked up straight away is that when nobody’s pressing you, you don’t need to pass the ball”””””

    Gawd help us!

  10. Marko

    If Aubameyang does go this January he simply has to be replaced in January. Under no circumstances can Lacazette be trusted to either lead the line or replace his goals. No if or buts about it

  11. Champagne charlie

    “How would you guys like John Fleck to replace Xhaka. Would be unfashionable and cheap.“

    Not good enough, and he’s 28 years of age. Let him have his limelight at Sheffield United. If we sell 27 year old Xhaka I’d much prefer we bought in a player under 25 with scope to grow further.

  12. Cesc Appeal

    ‘If Aubameyang does go this January he simply has to be replaced in January. Under no circumstances can Lacazette be trusted to either lead the line or replace his goals. No if or buts about it’

    That’s the problem, having to sell the wrong ST.

    If Lacazette is sold you can funnel the money into a different position.

    If Aubameyang is sold you really need to buy another ST.

    I really think for the money he’s on and the selection/balance issues he creates Lacazette should just be sold. He’s never cut it here.

  13. Edu me a favour

    An 18 year old professional footballer learning his trade out of his natural position who’d been thrown in at the deep end

    There you go CG I fixed it for you – think that’s the context you were looking for

  14. SWGooner

    Danny Ings is a name I’m not seeing.. maybe an unpopular opinion but I do feel we need to be looking at players overachieving at smaller clubs! It wasn’t long ago Ings was signed with big expectations at Liverpool and looks to have set his career back on track. Also Tyrone Mings would be on my shopping list to play with saliba next year and show him the English game.. N’didi should top the list but it’s quite literally a step down for him coming from Leicester.. other than him I’d be offering Fernandinho a deal as his city contract with is expiring or Doucoure

  15. Dissenter

    I think many will be disappointed this winter.
    Unless we move out players on outright transfers [not loans], the club will be seeking loans like they did for Suarez.
    The finances aren’t good, nothing has changed from last winter. We have to go a different way from all these fancy big money signings [ I’m with Valentin regarding this]
    Arteta is going to have to make champagne out of gruel [ no pun intended] . The squad that was considered good enough has to be coached into wholesomeness. It’s going to be cereal until the summer…and rightly so.
    We have many players returning back from injury, so long as Arteta adjusts his methods not to break more , he should be fine. It’s not like we have CL qualification as a goal.

    I’ll rather wait to poach Todd Cantwell and Max Aarons from Norwich city should they go down. Keep the powder dry for the summer.

  16. azed

    “Azed, it’s not clear what you’re arguing there. That players have different fitness levels? Or that Ozil can’t be trained the same as Kola?”

    Pedro

    On the last post, Valentin blamed Emery for the fitness level of the players by stating that last season, Emery over trained the players and this season Emery under trained the players.

    My point is when it comes to physical conditioning, clubs tailor it to individuals as no one in his right mind would put Ozil and Kolasinac under the same fitness regiment.

  17. Champagne charlie

    “If Lacazette is sold you can funnel the money into a different position.If Aubameyang is sold you really need to buy another ST.“

    If Auba is sold you can buy a winger and have Laca/Martinelli the choice for #9.

    Zaha – Laca/Martinelli – Pepe would be a much better attacking unit for me.

  18. Cesc Appeal

    Equally the club could back the manager on getting UCL football through the Europa League and pull a couple of big signings off (relatively speaking) and just let it be known to Arteta if he doesn’t make it then there’s no money at all in the summer and potentially even a player like Aubameyang would need to be sold to balance the books and there will be no replacement.

    If it works we’ve got UCL football and money to kick start the club. If it doesn’t then Arteta will be stuck with no movement in the summer and will have to rely on coaching and youth development.

    If we don’t do that and look at the summer I would guess we’re looking at a minimal budget again of £35-40 Million and would rely on clubs accepting payment plans once more.

  19. Ishola70

    Charlie

    “Why has Arteta been here 10 days and already we see organisation, structure, passing patterns, movement, pressing take a sharp shift towards productive and resolute? It’s because the instructions are clear, they’re innovative, they’re detail oriented, and they consider the strengths of the players on hand.”

    And you saw all this in the match against Bournemouth did you?

    As others have noted your puffing heavily on that Arteta bong.

    What was noted in the Bournemouth match was that certain players were adjusting and positioning differently when Arsenal were not on the ball. No mind blowing stuff on the ball in that match.

    Yesterday it was noted that Arsenal looked much more fluid in their passing on the ball and attacking wise in the first half minus Xhaka then they have been for a long time . Fluid meaning quicker.

    Charlie Man City are pleasing on the eye and effective because of their quick combination passing in midfield and their outlets to the flanks. But please note the term quick here. Quick combination passing. Players that are quick to move to pass as well as to receive the ball.

    If Arsenal get players in the midfield that are quick in these aspects listed above then we will be good to go in this vision you have of the Arteta Arsenal.

  20. CG

    Edu

    “””””An 18 year old professional footballer learning his trade out of his natural position who’d been thrown in at the deep end””””””

    Learning his trade?

    What is he becoming a Locksmith or a Butcher?

    He doesnt need to be told that, surely to goodness.?

    If a soccer player cant think for himself- he will ultimately be useless.

    People fight wars at his age- his dilemma is when I pass a bloody football….

    Dont make excuses for these mamby pampy glove wearing babies!

    They need Tough Love and a Clip around the ear- not a standing ovation.

  21. Paulinho

    “Maybe one thing that I’ve picked up straight away is that when nobody’s pressing you, you don’t need to pass the ball. What you can do is just get the ball, drive the ball forward a bit and wait for someone to come to you, commit a player, then pass it.”

    Our centre-backs have been guilty of doing this all season. Go back as far as Adams and Bould and they would consistently step into midfield and bypass the opposition’s strikers and initiate attacks. All season we’ve had space to move into, not done it, and passed to players surrounded by opposition players.

    It’s easier said than done though and ignites the coaching versus natural talent debate, although Luiz quite clearly has the talent and why he has only started doing it recently is beyond me. Suppose it’s easier to do when the full-backs are there to cover and not too far ahead of the play to recover.

  22. Edu me a favour

    “” Gawd help us!””

    Or – Arteta help us – because it’s seems like no arsenal coach up until this point has helped saka to grasp this concept

    And if that’s the only thing you can pick up on out of that whole article then you clearly have an agenda , not that you actually try to disguise it

  23. Cesc Appeal

    Chambers was stepping up very well yesterday until his injury, he was taking the ball from Chelsea players before they even knew he was there. Initiated a few moves that way.

  24. Marko

    I think many will be disappointed this winter.

    What’s new for Arsenal fans. You’ll notice though there’s no expectations it’s more what should happen or commenting on speculation. But trust you to put a dampener on things. Can I ask when were you officially given the title of party pooper/bore? Did you run unopposed or did you have to beat out Valentin, Red and Joe for the crown?

  25. Dissenter

    Cesc
    ‘Equally the club could back the manager on getting UCL football through the Europa League and pull a couple of big signings off (relatively speaking) and just let it be known to Arteta if he doesn’t make it then there’s no money at all in the summer and potentially even a player like Aubameyang would need to be sold to balance the books and there will be no replacement.”

    Don’t you think we’ve rolled the dice way too many a time.
    We have to avoid short-termism with Arteta. You’re advocating a high risk all-or-none approach by asking that we bet so much on knock-out competition.
    I think you’ve just floated a very bad idea.

    The way back is not going to be so quick. We have to do be patient.

  26. Champagne charlie

    Ishola

    That’s it mate “no mind blowing stuff” at all, which explains why it’s been totally absent how long now?

    You’re boring, always shitting on aspects of the club because any idiot can criticise, takes someone with a brain to offer solutions.

  27. Dissenter

    Marko
    You never learn.
    You did the same last winter, all we ended up with was Suarez. We threw the dice on Pepe…how’s that working out by the way.
    I like to tether your type to reality. This ain’t city IP.

    I’m advocating for a different approach like trying to get the likes of Todd Cantwell and Max Aarons from Norwich city should they go down.

  28. Marko

    Chambers was stepping up very well yesterday until his injury

    Upamecano is especially good at stepping out from the back and playing out from the back. Just saying

  29. Ishola70

    Paulinho

    “Our centre-backs have been guilty of doing this all season. Go back as far as Adams and Bould and they would consistently step into midfield and bypass the opposition’s strikers and initiate attacks. All season we’ve had space to move into, not done it, and passed to players surrounded by opposition players.”

    Why would there be the space to do it when there is a DLP stepping on their toes?

    We all know why the Arsenal CBs have not come out with the ball and advanced like other conventional sides we see.

    It’s because Arsenal have been employing a DLP for years.

    And these opposition players swarming over ours on the first pass out from the back is because the team are too deep precisely because of the DLP.

    It was refreshing to see Guendouzi and Torreira fucked off far away from the CBs in central midfield on occasions in that game yesterday in the first half. They were not cramped up and too deep.

  30. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Don’t you think we’ve rolled the dice way too many a time.’

    No…do you even support Arsenal?

    Short termism would be paying through the nose for a near 30 player or something. Not putting the summer budget out there on players like Upamecano and Partey who, regardless of success this season, would offer a lot going forward for years to come.

    You’re proposing do nothing, make it to the end of the season and then work with a meager budget again at the whims of selling clubs to structure payment plans.

    The way back wouldn’t be long in that case, it would be ridiculous when you step out of the Arsenal bubble and look at everyone else in the league as well. Leicester and Wolves have better teams than Arsenal. Spurs have appointed a manager who will push to spend. United always spend and might end up with an Allegri or Pochettino. Chelsea are about to spend massively.

    In your version of events the only way back is Pedro is right and Arteta turns out to be a saint.

  31. azed

    Valentin

    Physical conditioning is tailored to each player and that’s were things like speed and stamina are dealt with.

    When it comes to training(tactics, ball movement et al), some are intense were tackles are allowed why some are chilled and while this helps with stamina, it is not the major component of building stamina.

    When coaches complain of fitness, its usually two things
    1) Players not fit for purpose e.g Ozil will never be fit for a klopp team
    2) Lazy players, Arteta , Freddie and Emery complained about Pepe not training well.

    The idea that Emery under trained the team is bullshit and it was said by you and only you.

    The players ran less this season under Emery because they downed tools and nothing more.

  32. Marko

    I’m advocating for a different approach like trying to get the likes of Todd Cantwell and Max Aarons from Norwich city should they go down

    That’s great and all but it doesn’t really help us out this January. And Cantwell? Nah

  33. Ishola70

    Marko
    “Chambers was stepping up very well yesterday until his injury”

    Yes he was. Impressed with him.

    But of course would like to see a 90 minutes of that from him.

    There were signs that the Chambers – Luiz CB partnership may work.

    Chambers stepping up being the aggressor and Luiz falling in behind Chambers looking to do a more sweeper role.

  34. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    The team/squad is in urgent need of overhaul, but not to extent that some would suggest.

    CENTRE BACKS

    The club needs to buy at least one World Class Centre Back who should also be a team leader. That will unfortunately cost serious money as so many other
    clubs in Europe are looking for same item including both Manchester Clubs.

    I would retain Messrs Holding and Chambers and we will also be bringing in next season Saliba.

    Messrs Mustafi, Sokratis, Luiz and Mavropanos should be offloaded.

    WING/FULL BACKS

    I would not discount either Bellerin or Tierney. Both have had serious injuries,
    but are young enough to recover and hopefully to resume at highest level.

    However, we are short of specialist options to replace them. Kolasinac is okay to play as a left back replacement in games where we play offensively.

    The club does need a first or second string right back, but preferably someone who is able to play on both flanks. Maitland-Niles does not have the positional sense or discipline to play in defence.

    MIDFIELD

    We have seen in last two games under Arteta that both Torreira and Ozil have
    improved and shown more commitment to the cause. Whether that level will
    be maintained remains to be seen.

    I have yet to be convinced that Xhaka and Ceballos are the right players for
    the third position in Central Midfield. Xhaka is pedestrian and Ceballos is
    lightweight. So I think that we need to bring in at least one class midfield.

    Messrs Guendouzi and Willock are young players good enough to play in
    second string games, but not good enough to play against top level teams.
    They are squad players.

    FORWARDS

    I thought that our wing and striker options were amongst the best in EPL.
    However, only Aubameyang has justified a regular place in first team.

    Lacazette has underperformed this season and for whatever reason Pepe
    has not merited a starting eleven place in team, which is concerning when you
    consider his cost.

    Martinelli, Saka and Nelson are young players showing potential, but are not
    ready to play in first team on regular basis.

    I would like to keep Aubameyang, but there needs to be review of Lacazette and Pepe.

    SUMMARY

    I think that we need replacements in team/squad for CB,RB and CMF. If
    Lacazette or Aubameyang leave we will need also an experienced CF to replace them.

  35. Dissenter

    Cesc
    Staking so much on qualifying for the CL through that lone EL spot is reckless.
    If this was an idea generating session, it would go into the bin immediately.

    We have to clear out half the squad and carefully seek players who fit what Arteta has talked about. I wouldn’t care less if they don’t show up on the fantasy league scouting that the typical gooner generates. No one knew of Martinelli and yet here he is.

    There’s no certainty big name signings will redeem the situation either.

  36. HighburyLegend

    “at least we’re on the right path now.”

    We’re on the Sauce path.
    Nothing can stop us!! (to become the new Liverpool)

  37. Paulinho

    “Why would there be the space to do it when there is a DLP stepping on their toes?”

    We did it against Bournemouth and Xhaka slotted back into the left centre back position to cover and also dictate with the ball and feed balls into the forward players. It can work if the DLP and the centre back communicate.

  38. Marko

    We actually haven’t been rolling the dice on transfers at all that’s a really stupid thing to say. For years we’ve been going for cheaper/stupid alternatives as opposed to risk pay off type signings. It’s getting slightly better with the Martinelli and Saliba signings but you look at Haaland just going for pittance and I bet you everything that I have that we reason we didn’t go flat out for such an obvious and attainable talent was because we’re probably humming and hawing on the two that we currently have. Roll the dice. We literally overanalyze and overthink potential signings while you get clubs like Dortmund snapping up Haaland for 17 million or Brandt for 20 million. It’s ridiculous we’re cheap and risk adverse

  39. Cesc Appeal

    ‘If this was an idea generating session, it would go into the bin immediately.’

    What says you?

    Staking so much? As in not being able to spend in the summer? As opposed to what, taking Norwich cast offs and beginning our century long rebuild to 4th?

    Sorry, but you are without doubt the most pessimistic doom-monger of an Arsenal fan I’ve ever seen.

    You seem to want Arsenal to be an anomaly in world football and behave like no one else.

    To suggest Arsenal are a risk taking club as you did is beyond laughable. Conservatism, reactionary, safe, overly cautious, frugal are words that if you had received a pound for every mention on here over the last 10 years you’d have enough money to buy the club and install your doom laden ideas ‘do you know what lads lets just play cricket because honestly football is finished at Arsenal’.

  40. Wasi

    CC
    Fleck has been quite good this season. And From what ive seen he is good on the ball and without it too. Also has the eye to pick a pass out.
    Will be scouting him specifically in the next few Huddersfield games.

  41. Champagne charlie

    ES

    CM is our biggest issue imo, there’s a real lack of a plan in there as far as what profiles we have available.

    Would bin Xhaka and Ceballos this summer, personally would like to see us go the Rabiot route assuming he’s able to deliver the PSG levels I’ve seen of him. Grealish would be my pick for PL talent this summer.

    Those two would add a great deal of ball retention, tenacity, and ability to move with the ball through midfield. Though I’m not sure what fees you’re talking do remains to be seen.

  42. Champagne charlie

    Wasi

    Fleck is decent, I’ve known him since he came through at Rangers. Just don’t think he’s the right profile/talent level we should aspire to.

    That’s not to suggest it’s world class or bust, I’m not a snob like that. I just feel at 28 he’s not the type of investment we should be making, Sheffield United will want 25 mil easy for him and that’s straight down the pan.

    If we are buying a 28 year old they need to come with a near guaranteed level of class, like an Umtiti sort, not Fleck. Different story if he was 23/24.

  43. SWGooner

    And also a club doing backhander deals with friends.. signing Denis Suarez the same day that Tielemans joined Leicester is something I will never get over!

  44. Ishola70

    Paulinho
    ”We did it against Bournemouth and Xhaka slotted back into the left centre back position to cover and also dictate with the ball and feed balls into the forward players. It can work if the DLP and the centre back communicate.”

    That’s true enough in that certain match but you understand the point that was made that previously this aspect has been handicapped by the team operating deep in first transition attack with Xhaka doing his DLP stuff.

    So it can be got around as you say.

    Wouldn’t you rather though just have a conventional set-up with midfielders actually central waiting to receive the ball from the CBs rather than this switching and covering of positions?

    This switching of player positions means the team are a midfielder short when the CB comes out with the ball.

  45. Marko

    there needs to be review of Lacazette and Pepe.

    Given up on Pepe after mere months. People who do this are stupid btw. History is littered with players who started off slow and ended up being good players. Even this season Eden Hazard prior to injury was playing awfully but do you think there’s Madrid fans out there calling for him to get binned? As someone said a few days ago if timewise was different and Robert Pires was bought last summer you’d probably have Arsenal fans calling for him to be sold right about now.

  46. Cesc Appeal

    Arteta sounds like he is taking the right line with Pepe.

    Talent is obvious to be one of the best but the effort and tenacity needs to improve in training and on field.

  47. Marko

    Staking so much on qualifying for the CL through that lone EL spot is reckless.
    If this was an idea generating session, it would go into the bin immediately.

    Jesus you’re something. It’s likely our only option to save our season and not give up. Your idea of doing nothing and waiting to sign up relegated players next summer is about as pointless to us now as anything.

  48. Dissenter

    I actually think there’s a case for buying a 27-28 year old central midfielder, if the opportunity for an opportunistic grab presents itself.
    We need seasoned experience in that position. There’s no general type player in the middle. Arteta will need this at some point, if he’s to succeed.
    Case example; if we get a chance to sign Abdoulaye Doucouré in the summer, should Watford go down…we should take it.

  49. Dissenter

    Marko
    Save our season from what exactly?
    Avoiding relegation and teaching the team how to win games [with a view to next season] is the goal.
    How may strategic blunders do you think Arsenal are allowed to make before it all blows up in your faces?

  50. Micheal

    Strengthening the centre of midfield is the overwhelming priority. I fully accept the glaring weaknesses at the back and agree that we need replacements.

    But a fundamental reason the defence plays so badly is because our central midfield is so weak and they are continually exposed. This does not excuse Mustafi , for example, who is a very poor defender. But the midfield does not provide adequate cover and these weaknesses are easily exploited by good teams.

    People like Xhaka gives the ball away far too easily, cannot track back and cannot mark or tackle. Torriera was doing the work of two men yesterday and it no surprise he is knackered after 70 minutes. Defending is a team job – not just the four defenders.

  51. Marko

    Don’t you think we’ve rolled the dice way too many a time. We have to avoid short-termism with Arteta. .The way back is not going to be so quick. We have to do be patient.

    Then

    “I actually think there’s a case for buying a 27-28 year old central midfielder, if the opportunity for an opportunistic grab presents itself.”

    You are painfully consistent it makes my head spin. And what is with your new obsession with signing relegated players

  52. HighburyLegend

    “You seem to want Arsenal to be an anomaly in world football and behave like no one else.”

    I was persuaded it was already the case…

  53. Marko

    Save our season from what exactly?

    Mid table obscurity for one. We need European football at the very least.

    How may strategic blunders do you think Arsenal are allowed to make before it all blows up in your faces?

    You’re suggesting doing nothing and waiting to have our pick of the players from relegated teams in the summer. Don’t talk to me about strategic blunders.

  54. Cesc Appeal

    HL

    Well quite.

    That was my argument. Look where a ridiculously cautious approach has got us.

    We were a club perennially waiting for something on the horizon to save us when we should have been saving ourselves.

  55. Dissenter

    Marko
    You sure like to put the cart before the horse
    You left out my reasoning for that 27-28 year old midfielder.
    “We need seasoned experience in that position.”
    I even offered the likes of Doucoure as a case example, nothing inconsistent about that. You need some experience in every part of the field. We are talking 28 year old which a payer at the prime of his career, not a 33 year old FFS.

  56. Marko

    We don’t need seasoned experience in that area we need quality first and foremost. You can’t argue against a short term approach and then suggest a 28 year signing.

    We are talking 28 year old which a payer at the prime of his career, not a 33 year old FFS

    I would class 28 as a short term fix. It’s like 3/4 years max out of them. Most players hit that wall 30/31 with goalkeeper and maybe CB an exception but midfielders and attackers for sure hit that wall 31ish

  57. Dissenter

    Cesc
    We haven’t been cautious tbh
    HaD caution been the mantra, we would have adhered by common sense principles and sold off Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey when they refused to extend their contracts.
    Reckless and feckless are what we’ve been, not cautious.

    We’ve hired a young manager and I fear you approach wil burden him and make certain his failure.
    If we hired a veteran like Ancelotti then that high risk approach may be palatable.
    Just my take of course.

  58. Champagne charlie

    “Most players hit that wall 30/31 with goalkeeper and maybe CB an exception but midfielders and attackers for sure hit that wall 31ish“

    Interesting comment for someone so commonly against the idea of selling Auba, and I don’t mean relative to Lacazette.

  59. Dissenter

    Docoure turns 27 y/o on Jan 1st, hence my 27-28 year old comment. He will be 27 y/o by the time the summer rolls in.

  60. Paulinho

    “Wouldn’t you rather though just have a conventional set-up with midfielders actually central waiting to receive the ball from the CBs rather than this switching and covering of positions?”

    Yeah, I would like a midfielder than can drop deep and receive it a higher up as well. Xhaka clings onto that role like lifeboat when you need players that have the ability to mix it up and get into the box and impact the game in a more meaningful manner.

  61. Dissenter

    Like the addict has to acknowledge their addiction to get better with alcoholic anonymous so do gooners have to accept the fact we are shit and have to work our way back.
    There’s a lot of denial among gooners. Most of the names being thrown around will pick clubs in the CL before coming to Arsenal.
    There has to be a different way to recruit good players,not off fantasy football lists. That’s why I’m glad it’s left to professional scouts. No one knew of Martinelli and here is is.

  62. Nelson

    Have we changed the GK coach? Leon looked very insecure when he had the ball. It took a long time to decide. Most of his long passes were misplaced.

  63. Marko

    Interesting comment for someone so commonly against the idea of selling Auba

    I’m not sure that’s totally true. I’m against selling him and not replacing him and rolling with Lacazette as first choice. I mean if we sold him and brought in Haaland or Werner or Jovic or Osimhen then I’m all for it. The other thing is that Auba hasn’t hit that wall though. He’s still very much scoring at the same rate as he was at 27/28.

  64. Samir

    January transfer is never easy.
    Can’t see us signing anyone exciting until the Summer.

    Laca / Auba both need selling if they won’t sign new contracts. We can’t let this shit happen again. We haven’t won anything with them so let them go.

    Auba
    Laca
    Xhaka
    Mustafi
    Kola
    Luiz
    Sokratis
    Ozil
    Mhiki
    Bellerin

    Get rid of them all in the Summer/Jan.

  65. Cesc Appeal

    The Aubameyang stories starting to heat up.

    Transfer request rumours.

    Stories of his representatives telling the club he wants out this January.

  66. Gentlebris

    ‘I don’t know why we didn’t get Mourinho. Maybe it was because he failed at his PowerPoint presentation. Maybe it was because Raul dithered and let Spurs get in. Maybe it was because he was too expensive. However I sincerely doubt that it was because Pedro wrote a scathing post about it.’

    Valentin,

    As at the time the club considered hiring Jose, The crowd had forced out one manager and was successfully forcing out another. It would be grossly irresponsible to then ignore the outcries against Jose. If we had hired Jose and he lost an already won game so poorly like Arteta did yesterday, the atmosphere in the next home game would be something else. To either not foresee or to ignore such possibilities would be gross irresponsibility.

    Believe me, even heads of nations pay attention to what happens online in 2019.

  67. Marko

    so do gooners have to accept the fact we are shit and have to work our way back.

    Your answer to this though is by signing up relegated players next summer. So yeah denial alright. I’m going to stop now because all your writings and solutions for what’s going on at Arsenal seem really juvenile. I’ve very thankful that you are not involved in any sort of decision making at the club for obvious reasons.

  68. Gentlebris

    I’m telling you now before it becomes horribly obvious in the next 18 months or so, the guys running this club are gamblers.

    Never before in the history of this club had we made a record breaking signing who was benched by a kid who shouldn’t even be playing for Arsenal yet.
    They went from there to hiring a guy with zero experience as head coach.

    You wait for it…..it will eventually hit you in the face that your football club is being governed by blank brains and gamblers.

  69. Gentlebris

    Danny, it’s decent to consider a home game against a side just done by Southampton won when we are still leading after 80 minutes.

  70. HighburyLegend

    “We were a club perennially waiting for something on the horizon to save us”

    Reminds me of a line from the movie Star Wars Rogue One, when K-2SO say “there’s a problem on the horizon. There’s no horizon.” lol

  71. Danny

    Gentlebris
    —————
    Anybody who watched the match could see that we were hanging on, and it was only a matter of time before they scored. The fact that they scored another was disappointing but not surprising but your comment that the game was “won” is quite amusing.

  72. Dissenter

    Marko
    “Your answer to this though is by signing up relegated players next summer”

    Liverpool go Robertson from Hull and Georginio Wijnaldum from Newcastle, both are regular starters for the best team in world football.
    They also got Xherdan Shaqiri from Stoke.

    Need I continue

  73. Graham62

    Based on my observations from yesterday’s game, are there any posters on here who went to the game and decided, when Chelski made it 1-1 with 15 minutes to play, to up and go.

    If you did, why?

  74. Valentin

    Azed,

    So now when a headcoach complain about the level of fitness of players at the club what he really mean is that players are shit!

    I am sorry but when a headcoach complain that the team is not fit, most often it means that the conditioning done by his predecessors does not cater for the kind of play he wants.
    They can’t run as fast as he want, or for how long he wants them to.
    For example when Henry came to Arsenal, Wenger told him to stop going as much to the gym. In Italy, he was doing extra lift to increase his bulk. But Wenger thought He was too bulky and that extra muscle was limiting his explosivity and pace.

    Right now this Arsenal team can’t play 90 minutes at the intensity that Arteta wants. You may not like it, but that’s a fact that Arteta readily acknowledges.

  75. Receding Hairline

    “We need European football at the very least.”

    Not necessarily

    Liverpool had a season outside Europe and it did them a world of good

    Ditto Chelsea

    Whats the point of playing in the Europa league when 80% of Arsenal fans turn their noses up at it, we can’t fill the stadium on match days and the financial benefits really isn’t all that.

  76. Danny

    to up and go
    ————
    Graham, I don’t know if you’ve ever been to the Emirates but in case you haven’t, there are tv screens through out the stadium. Fans leave early but stay near the exits watching the screens to avoid the crush at full time.

  77. Champagne charlie

    “Liverpool go Robertson from Hull and Georginio Wijnaldum from Newcastle, both are regular starters for the best team in world football.
    They also got Xherdan Shaqiri from Stoke.“

    Pretty water tight comment there.

  78. Receding Hairline

    You don’t necessarily need to play 90 minuets at the same level of intensity.

    Teams pace themselves.

    We were so deep from the start of the second half i struggle to see how and why we ran out of gas so quickly.

    We played at a high level intensity wise at home against Liverpool last season and we did not tire after the first half, in fact we upped the intensity levels after they scored to equalize.

    We also played a pretty high level against Spurs earlier this season after they went two goals up they simply couldn’t cope.

    The idea what we saw yesterday for 30-35 minutes was alien to these players beats me. Frankly if Leno didn’t do what he did when he did we might have indeed seen the game out.

    They equalized and we lost our heads.

  79. Receding Hairline

    “Liverpool go Robertson from Hull and Georginio Wijnaldum from Newcastle, both are regular starters for the best team in world football.
    They also got Xherdan Shaqiri from Stoke.“

    “Pretty water tight comment there.”

    All three players came from clubs who were relegated the season before….what your point? Is the statement false?

  80. Valentin

    Gentlebris,

    If they genuinely believed that Mourinho was the answer, they should be ready to handle some temporary uncomfortable moments for the good of the club.The textbook definition of real leaders is to have the courage of their conviction even in the face of adversity and to be able to face and convince your doubters.

    So they either lack the courage of their conviction, dithered too much or were never fully committed to Mourinho. Your opinion is therefore between coward, incompetent, indecisive or unlucky. They can also be all of the above.

  81. Marko

    Liverpool go Robertson from Hull and Georginio Wijnaldum from Newcastle, both are regular starters for the best team in world football.
    They also got Xherdan Shaqiri from Stoke.Need I continue

    They also bought a fuck tonne of non relegated players and everything didn’t come together for them until they bought a 70 million keeper a 75 million CB and 100 million worth of CM’s

  82. Þorkell Einarsson

    its shame john jules has not been used at an earlier occasion, as both Lacazette
    and Pepe are not fully at their best..

  83. Marko

    Not necessarily Liverpool had a season outside Europe and it did them a world of good Ditto Chelsea

    Right but WE need it because WE don’t have an owner that will dip his hands into his pockets. Those teams mentioned have a certain standing though as well that has to be factored in. Liverpool are Liverpool and Chelsea have won like 5 leagues and 3 European cups since our last league title in 2004. They can sell being out of Europe but confident of getting back in easier than we can. 3 seasons out of the Champions League we finished a 4th out of Europe altogether and it takes some convincing that we’re a decent club anymore honestly

  84. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    No, I agree with the sentiment about preying on opportunities like relegation sides with talent that could serve us well. I’m not a player snob, and that comment is a good illustration of the merits of it.

    You look at the bottom three today and it’s:

    Villa
    Watford
    Norwich

    I’d cautiously suggest Grealish, Mings, Sarr, Doucoure, Max Aarons are all players with a profile and talent that could be of interest to our squad for the right money.

    Is them being relegated cause for us to say no? Absolutely not imo.

  85. Leedsgunner

    There were positives but the result was still a loss. If anyone but Arteta was hired I wonder if they would have gotten such a positive write up.

    Nope. I doubt it. If a similar result was achieved by Nuno, pro Arteta people would have spent it talking about how he needs to no given time… cue the free pass for Arteta.

  86. Receding Hairline

    “I’d cautiously suggest Grealish, Mings, Sarr, Doucoure, Max Aarons are all players with a profile and talent that could be of interest to our squad for the right money.”

    Would rather go Deulofeu in place of Sarr.

    I was a bit upset back then we didnt go for Wignaldum.

  87. Batistuta

    Been talking of Doucoure and Delofleu for a while now, not the flashiest of names but they’d do a hell lot if a job for us and more importantly, they know the league already, would be better than Watching Nelson and Auba as our wingers… Max Aarons is one we should be all over once Norwich are confirmed relegated as they most definitely will be… I’d actually take a season out of Europe if it isn’t the champions league… Wouldn’t also be opposed to selling Laca at this point, just not enough in returns for us

  88. Batistuta

    Maintained that our recruitment over the last couple of years has been part if our problems and that’s why we are where we are…. We’re either buying players who are not suited to the league or players who simply aren’t good enough hence no matter who the manager is, they’d continue to be useless, it’s because the talent just isn’t there….We need to buy smarter….

  89. Dissenter

    Some people made the Adama Traore call and were disappointed when Wolves brought him cheap from Boro
    He’s only 23 y/o and is becoming Zaha -esque already.
    We have to stop the player snob because our station ain’t that high anymore.

  90. Pedro

    Leeds, you are incorrect. You can claim I had an agenda against Unai, but reality is just called a dud a dud and I was correct in my assessment. I write what I see. Things are different with Arteta, think most recognize we are in a better place, i don’t even need to write propaganda, it’s obvious

  91. Marko

    It’s not about being snobbish you bonehead you’re arguing waiting until the end of the season and buying relegated players. How’s that helpful now? U wouldn’t mind Aarons. No to Doucoure and Graelish on the basis of price. No to Adama Traore

  92. Marc

    I think worrying about summer transfers at the moment is like worrying about where you’re going on your summer holidays whilst your house is on fire and you’re still in it.

    Let’s see what we do in January and what effect Arteta has on the players over a few weeks and then start making judgement calls on who we need / would like to sign.

  93. Cesc Appeal

    Everton apparently want to sign James for £43 Million.

    That is a lot for a player who I do not think will take to this league at all.

  94. Dissenter

    Marko
    What’s the rush for?
    So long as we avoid relegation by the end of winter so that the manager can have the space to implement his approach, I’m fine.
    I want to see improved coherent performances that are tethered to improved results .i.e form that can be built upon next season.
    You want us to break or savings for players that may not be suited for what the manager is trying to do.
    This season is gone. Live with that fact. It’s about next season right now and we don’t need EL footie to save Arsenal.

  95. Matt

    Yesterday’s match changed course immediately with the introduction of Jorginho and Chelsea’s switch to 3-3-4. Every metric from that point favoured them (possession, territory, shots, attempts, etc). You could speculate that we just happened to gas at exactly the same time but that would be a hell of a coincidence.

    Disappointed that Arteta decided not to make an adjustment earlier in the game to counter their dominance. In game management as a coach is going to be new to him but he needs to work on it. Another aspect which comes across as naive is speaking publicly about players fitness levels. No need to air that laundry at this point. It’s just giving more ammunition to the competition.

  96. Valentin

    I like Gerard Deulofeu, but I would like to see him against teams that defend deep to judge if he would be a good fit for Arsenal. Nobody defends deep against Watford, nor against Everton when he was there.
    However at Barcelona he struggled (obviously having at the club the best player in the world in your position had a serious impact on his playing time, but still), maybe now older and with more experience he is better at handling such situation.

  97. Dissenter

    Valentin
    Gerard Deulofeu vs Adama Traore in the contect of the premier league

    Who would you go for?

    For me it’s Traore

  98. Marc

    “Imagine if we got relegated but won the Europa league. That would be interesting!”

    Congratulations – out of many many stupid comments you’ve just managed to make the most idiotic one I’ve ever seen on here.

  99. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    The thing with Adama Traore is I am not sure that he would have made the same progress if he had joined us at the time.
    Sometimes going to a lower club willing to spend time nurturing you longer is a better career move.
    There have been so many players who joined big clubs too soon. They were not ready on and off the pitch, they got too impatient.

  100. Gentlebris

    ‘Anybody who watched the match could see that we were hanging on, and it was only a matter of time before they scored. The fact that they scored another was disappointing but not surprising but your comment that the game was “won” is quite amusing.’

    Yet had Wenger or Emery managed that game, my comment wouldn’t have been so amusing.

    Watford came back to get a draw against Emery and the missiles here were something to write the queen about.

    Blog of agenda.

  101. Gentlebris

    One wonders what is so stupid in a guy wondering whether a team playing Europa and hovering over relegation waters in the league could get relegated in the league but win Europa.

  102. alexanderhenry

    Marko and Dissenter

    The in or out of Europe debate is an interesting one.

    If you pull back a bit, it’s a strange time in arsenal’s history. The club seemes to have reached the point where it has to scrape into the Europa League to generate a bit of cash.

    Last time I looked KSE was one of the world’s largest sporting conglomerates. Kroenke himself is worth over $9 billion.

    The logical thing to do would be to provide a cash injection and boost the club’s squad and therefore chances of success.
    This type of speculation would, in the long term, make arsenal more lucrative.

    Stan lacks the wit or ambition to do this.

    As an owner he is a negative. He doesn’t help arsenal fc achieve success. Instead, he holds the club back.
    Arsenal will have to make its way in spite of Stan.

  103. Mr Serge

    Disenter well said mate a relegated player does not mean a shit player it means a shit team

    Like I said sone internet fans are mad

  104. Kwame

    Lots of positives to take home. In the 2nd half the idea was to catch them on the break. A good tactic considering that there was very little left in tank for our boys. If Laca and Willock had taken the chances that came their way it would have been an early shower for the chavs. The subs came a bit too late. A good learning curve for both coach and team.

  105. Pierre

    If we had bought Mings and Nzonzi for a combined total of 40/45 mil in the summer it would have solved so many problems.

    If we buy Fleck and Aaron mooy in January at a decent price , that would also solve so many problems without breaking the bank.

    Of course the know nothings will scoff ,the way they scoffed when I advocated buying Mings and Nzonzi, but fleck and mooy are exactly what we need in our midfield at this present time.
    Both are better allround players than xhaka , Guendouzi and Torreira and would suit Arteta’s style of football.

    They would jump at the chance of playing for the Arsenal.

    Of course, I dont expect raul to be interested in buying players that are hardened to the English game.

    It’s time to be pragmatic.

  106. Champagne charlie

    “Im not convinced Grealish would leave Villa even if they went down, unless he has hinted at something otherwise. He seems like a one club man.“

    Grealish states in an interview recently that had Villa failed to secure promotion last season he “knew for a fact” he’d have been sold.

    The guy isn’t a one man club as much as he’s very much the heartbeat of his side at present. Fully expect him gone in the summer, absolutely certain if they get relegated.

  107. Champagne charlie

    Didn’t Adama Traore cost 18 million?

    Hardly peanuts, that’s a good chunk of change. I still find him to be a very physically impressive version of Theo, without the finishing ability. Not a type I’d personally favour, but I see the appeal even if I consider him incredibly raw.

  108. CG

    Gentle Bris

    “””Anybody who watched the match could see that we were hanging on, and it was only a matter of time before they scored. “”””
    Well observed.
    Matter of time – before Chelsea scored.
    So bleeding obvious.

    We didn’t even have a shot on their goal in the second half.

    When are we actually going to win a game.?

    Man Utd – no chance.
    Palace away – no chance
    Leeds – no chance if they put out a full strength team
    Sheff Utd- draw or sneak a win?
    Everton – no chance.
    Etc
    (Needed to beat the woeful Cherries like Burnley and Brighton just have done.)

    Look at the last 6 fixtures and see where the points are coming…..?
    Looks to me- we will be breaking more records soon.

    PEA and Xhaka to be leaving The sinking ship shortly too.?!.

    No slight on Arteta- but its unsalvergable.

    Sure- he will drill them for a few weeks- but then when the initial lustre fades- it will be back to normal……

    Losing more games…..

  109. Pierre

    Fans were complaining about conceding on average 21 shots per game in the last 3 league games v wolves, Leicester and Southampton.

    Over the last couple of games this number has been reduced to 12 shots conceded per game v Chelsea and Bournemouth.

    We now have fans complaining about the amount of shots we have had on the opponents goal .

    I think some fans need a reality check to decide what they want, because it seems they expect our defence to improve whilst at the same time creating numerous opportunities at the other end.

    In the real world, that very rarely happens.
    For the manager to rectify our defensive woes it will first need the team to be more disciplined in their play, this means full backs and midfield players curtailing their attacking instincts and this is how Arteta has reduced the number of shots conceded…

    Once the defence is compact , we will then see the team take a few more chance offensively but that wont happen just yet.

  110. Valentin

    Marc,

    It is very unusual to buy a player and then loan him for the next two years. Maybe clubs may need to revisit that kind of deal.
    It would bring stability to lower league clubs. Two years loan give them visibility and medium term benefit. At the same time, it would bring a path to the first team to the players.
    However such deals are really frown upon by the football instances. FiFA, UEFA and local FA are trying to limit the number of loans and the length of loans by clubs.
    Their argument is that they are trying to eradicate the business model in which loaners are viewed as cash generator and not as future players. That was exactly Chelsea business model where until the ban, none of the loanees not academy players had any chance of playing for the first team.

  111. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    I am not sure about either players, but I would take Deulofeu.

    I find Adama Traore very raw. I got the feeling that he would need a lot of coaching for a peak that like CC said would not be much higher than Walcott.
    He is a powerful and pacy, but he is not a great dribbler and can be quite wasteful in 1v1 situation. It took a lot of time for him to integrate the demand of the premiership. I would not be surprised if he could not adapt to Arteta style of play. I don’t want to say it, but he looks like he lacks football intelligence and adaptability.

    My doubt about Deulofeu are more due to my lack of knowledge of the player. I have never seen him play effectively against a low deep defending team. So he may be a very good acquisition, but he could also be one of those players who shines in a counter-attacking team but can’t play as well in a possession based game.

  112. Marc

    Valentin

    I think the thing with Chelsea was the sheer number of loanee’s – it was up about 50 odd if my memory serves me right. ManU did it with players like Beckham back in the day, having half a dozen young players out on loan picking up experience wouldn’t be a bad thing.

    What I’d really like to see is the formation of “B” clubs where we could control the younger players whilst allowing them to develop.

  113. Pierre

    Marc
    I’ll leave that to the others..

    What was the atmosphere like v Chelsea , I would imagine that the 2 late goals were a killer.

    That’s the first time I have been really gutted at a result for a while now .

    I had the right hump, my son came in to ask me a quite reasonable request just as we conceded the first goal, I told him where to go ….did apologise later.

  114. Marko

    Arsenal have genuine interest in Bruno Guimaraes but so do lots of other clubs. If Xhaka does go he’s an option

    Bruno Guimaraes was linked with Atletico, Benfica, Flamengo and us. Atletico want a striker, Benfica are apparently signing Weigl from Dortmund so it potentially leaves just us and Flamengo for his signature. Guarantee you that instead of looking at him we’ll hum and haw about whether or not to let go of a poor player for the majority of the month

  115. Valentin

    Marc,

    Chelsea had 70 players on loan which was deemed excessive. However that has an effect on decision made by FIFA.
    Like the Webster clause that allow a player to leave a club by simply paying the sum of his remaining wage as termination fee, there was a talk of introducing a clause in the case of what a lawyer called incessant loaning.
    Basically the idea was that if you sign for a club. That new club could not just keep lending you out and profit from you while you had no stability nor prospect in your career.
    I am not sure what happen to the idea, but that could kill the idea of buying young players and then lending them to lower league clubs for two years.

  116. Marko

    I had the right hump, my son came in to ask me a quite reasonable request just as we conceded the first goal, I told him where to go ….did apologise later.

    Where to go? You told him to go to his biological father? That’s just mean

  117. Marc

    Pierre

    The atmosphere was on the whole good – good amount of chanting and you got that North Bank vs Clock End chant going back and forth for a while which I haven’t heard for a while.

    The late goals were a kick in the teeth and it didn’t help that the first was not only a crazy error by Leno but the free kick and goal were scored by a player who shouldn’t have been on the pitch.

    The vibe I picked up from people around me was that they were pleased with the level of energy and commitment shown – Arteta just needs a bit of luck now to get that win under his belt. Will make things a lot easier.

  118. Marc

    Valentin

    “Chelsea had 70 players on loan which was deemed excessive. ”

    Really for fucks sake. Thing is I don’t think putting a youngster out on loan for a year or two would be seen as an issue providing the club is viewed as trying to develop players and not as you say circumnavigate the FFP rules.

  119. Valentin

    Marc,

    But then the issue becomes how do you prove that the loan were made in good faith?
    A club buys a young player on a 5 years contract and decide to loan him for 2 years to improve him.
    After those two years it is clear that he won’t make it there. The club can’t resell without taking a loss, so then loan another year. Now the player is on wages that matched his potential at the time but not today’s worth. The club cannot resell the player because he refuse to accept a pay cut.
    There was a case exactly like that where the player had signed a 5 or 7 years deal, but the club repaid itself by lending the player on a yearly basis making him impossible to be in charge of his life and career. If I remember correctly his lawyer argued that the club had lied to him (they knew that he had no chance of making it big) and just reinvented indebted servitude.

  120. Pierre

    Marc
    Ozil .half hour of brilliance, then next to nothing.
    Has he got it in him to last the pace for 90 minutes..debatable.

    The ovasion he received from the Emirates crowd was impressive though I would imagine it would have grated on the nerves of a few on Le Grove.

  121. bennydevito

    First of all good ebening,

    Good post Pedro,

    I can’t let the double standards go unchecked though, sorry.

    Under Emery no new players were needed as we already had a top 4 squad. There was no player poverty.

    Under Emery he too had players out injured for a long time. Bellerin, Tierney and Holding for starters but that was never allowed to be used as an excuse. There were matches we lost against Palace and a few others last season where players were injured and suspended but you tried to pass it off as Emery deliberately changing things in preference of the EL.

    Now with Arteta we’ve got the players out injured excuse and talk of needing new players.. it’s a joke.

    Now before you or any of the Emery out stooges wade in, I am 100% behind Arteta and can see already improvements in our play. I’m incredibly excited by the prospect of what he can bring and where he can lead us and never felt any of that under Emery.

    As it happens I think we do need another squad overhaul but have been saying that for a long time.

    This January we should do everything to bring in Upamecano for £40m if the stories are true.

    If Xhaka and Aubameyang are on their way out we should go in for Partey and recall Nketiah.

    In the summer if we let Ozil and Lacazette go along with Mkhitaryan, Elneny and Mustafi, I think we should go all out for Grealish and go back in for Zaha. Cantwell and Godfrey from Norwich should be looked at along with Traore from Wolves.

    We also need new fullbacks too to compete with and cover for Bellerin and Tierney but I don’t know who to suggest.

    I think we were really unlucky against Chelsea. Ozil was really good, worked really hard and Aubameyang showed us all he can add more to his game than just tap ins, but if rumours are true he wants out then I would suspect he’s playing for himself and a move away than for the team.

    I thought we were brilliant in the first half and haven’t played that well in a long time. Plenty to be positive about and optimistic about Utd on Wednesday.

  122. CG

    Walt

    “”””The late goals were a kick in the teeth and it didn’t help that the first was not only a crazy error by Leno but the free kick and goal were scored by a player who shouldn’t have been on the pitch.””””

    That dear boy, is called professional sport.
    It’s not unlucky either.

    If you Fail to Prepare, you will always Fail (or be unlucky)

    I suppose it’s been unlucky for 15 games now, too?

    Unlucky that Pepe cant use his right foot?
    Unlucky Tierney is injured ?
    Unlucky saliba is not here?
    Unlucky that Cebollas is garbage and weak as p××s?
    Unlucky Luiz is an Arsenal player?

    Unlucky ,unlucky and always unlucky

    We ain’t unlucky- just useless and incompetently managed from top to bottom.

    But let’s blame the ref and our most consistent player this season

    Lets hope our luck does change – because we sure going needs lots of it.

  123. Alex James

    Don’t know where the optimism is coming from. Two points from nine is hardly progress. We were in the game for about 25 minutes and then lost the plot, as soon as Lampard changed his team. This team cannot win the EL in my view, without some of our key injured players returning. And we know what our medical staff’s history of success is like!