A very quick post from me this morning as I am heading in for my first game of the MIKEL ARTETA ERA GET IN CAN’T WAIT WOOO #1 FAN OVER HERE WITH THE A4 BANNER SAYING #ARTETAIN!
I have no idea what to expect. The manager is dealing with something of an injury crisis, we could be missing a lot of players today. Tierney, Kola and Sokratis are certainly out. There are also doubts over Gabriel, Holding, Ceballos and Hector… there also might be questions over whether Xhaka plays if his mind is on the Hertha Berlin move.
The players he did have ready trained on the pitch yesterday. I like that. For no reason. If Emery had done it I’d have lodged a complaint with the local council, Arteta does it, I find it the sort of elite thinking a progressive young coach should be showcasing.
Chelsea are in a bit of a mess at the moment. They followed up a super defeat of Spurs with a shocking show against lowly Southampton. Some of their fans are predictably on his back, but I think the bleating will be ignored, Chelsea are building up with kids and shit performances are part of the deal there.
Arteta spoke about getting his players to think quicker and work harder off the ball. We saw a taste of that against Bournemouth, today, I hope that continues. I’m looking to see good structure, I’m hoping that against a really good counter-attacking team, we can concentrate, and I’m hoping the players put it in until the very end. Wouldn’t it be great to see us pressing for a second game in a row? I’m living for it.
I think we’re up against it today, it’s going to be hard to extract anything from the game, but at the moment, I’m just looking for progress as we build to a brighter future. A win would be exciting though, can’t say it hasn’t passed my mind.
It’s absolutely freezing out, so if you’re going, wrap up warm and hope the football on show gives us an added boost of warmth.
Right, that’s me out, see you at the game. xx
The bright side is Xhaka is being sold.
Need a proper CM and a CB now
Ok CA
So they were tired.
Maybe that first half performance took too much out of them physically.
But I never really understand this tbh with professional athletes.
I think it’s more a mental problem than physical.
If Jorghinno was sent off and Leno didn’t flap, then we would have probably seen the game out.
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If Arteta has special sauce he would have beaten both Bmouth and Chelsea as both were there to be taken
I wouldn’t bank on too many conspiracy theories regarding the referee or VAR. Early on Gundeuzi could have been sent off on a second yellow and given away a penalty as well. Nobody says anything about that bit of luck.
I think the intention was to suck Chelsea in and then hit them on the counter.
Problem was, the 2nd part of the equation didn’t come into effect.
Ishola
I agree.
I just think a bunch of this squad are not up to the fight.
The approach was good from Arteta and the first half showed signs of what he wants and it was quite City like at times setting pressing traps and then dropping into shape.
But he, in fact no one, will be able to create any system with these choices. Too many average to poor players and/or players with appalling attitudes.
A CDM/CM and a CB as a minimum for Arteta in January.
Marko
“I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Arteta didn’t tell them to go out second half and shit the bed”
But was he positive enough though in his half time talk?
Or was it a case that he said to them yeah you sit deep now whole second half and look for counters.
Delia
Emery has the best win % of any Arsenal manager in our history over the first 50 games. We know what good that did.
Can you save your amateur dramatics after 9 days you complete melon.
Yes to better players. Upamecano and a good CM, we will be winning these games. Also David Luiz made two vital defensive blocks and that was good to see. Still he needs to be sold in the summer.
Nuno the one with sauce atm.
I think in the 2nd half strategy was to sit back and hit Chelsea on the counter.
The impatience and petulance on this blog is unbelievable
Most posters here just want to be proven right rather than actually admit there is an improvement compared to most of the dross we’ve seen recently.
It can be argued that guendouzi shouldn’t have been on the pitch after the Tammy pull in the first half, so lets focus on other things instead of jorginho’s pull.
Well one positive is the midfield didn’t look like a blackhole today.. at least.. It hasn’t been right though since Ramsey left and we have not replaced him. Matty G and Willock are a serious step down due to youth and perhaps skill. If Xhaka is off.. and I hope that is true then we absolutely have to get someone in January.. who can partner or play in a 3 man midfield with LT. The suits dragging their feet in January better not be a thing or we could be in a relegation battle.
Joe is a troll don’t feed him please
Ishola
I bet you Lampard didn’t have to say much at half time because players revert back to there recent form. Chelsea have won lots of games away from home so there was still belief that can pull it off
Unlike Arsenal whose memory is filled with fuck-ups and self-doubt.
I do think Arteta could have done more to make change it up when it started to go off the boil.
I think it’s more a mental problem than physical.
Then you already know the answer to your initial question.
But was he positive enough though in his half time talk? Or was it a case that he said to them yeah you sit deep now whole second half and look for counters.
Who knows. I know one thing for sure you don’t know but you’ll throw it out there all the same
JeffDecember 29, 2019 17:03:02
I wouldn’t bank on too many conspiracy theories regarding the referee or VAR. Early on Gundeuzi could have been sent off on a second yellow and given away a penalty as well. Nobody says anything about that bit of luck.
Jeff. How dare you?!
China, Dave? Any comment on this IF?????
TR7
“I think in the 2nd half strategy was to sit back and hit Chelsea on the counter.”
If that was the strategy from Arteta then it was the wrong strategy wasn’t it.
It shows fear.
You can’t discount arteta after 2 games ffs you internet fans are ridiculous that are saying this
Given the paucity on the bench
Can anyone please tell me what changes Arteta could have made with two subs remaining?
(Chambers/Mustafi enforced)
The thing is Arsenal always giveaway gifts so why would Lampard have much to say?
We were good for 35 mins not the whole first half.
Charlie
I just think it was the wrong time to appoint a raw manager like Arteta. That’s it.
That’s my opinion.
The whole special sauce bollocks was too much so it’s a bit of fun to throw it back
I feel Arteta needed someone more experienced and a top level manager.
That’s my gripe v Arteta. Wrong type of manager at the wrong type of club.
The timing was not right. My opinion
There’s still a decent cushion between us and the botom three (6 points) , but if we lose to Man Utd next game, I’ll start to worry. It would still be a huge long shot for arsenal to be relegated but we really do not want to be down there scrapping with villa, bournemouth, watford, burnley etc. I’m on board with the arteta signing and his vision for arsenal going forward, but he’s kind of been dropped in it somewhat- or dropped himself in it. He’s inherited a mess and I hope he realises that right now he needs to… Read more »
Marko
How can you possibly suggest that Arteta told them to keep on doing what they had done in the first half?
The difference in play and set-up was like chalk and cheese. Night and day.
As you implied I think we know what the answer is.
He instructed then to sit deep and counter in the second half because of the 1-0 lead.
Wrong decision from him.
I think in the 2nd half strategy was to sit back and hit Chelsea on the counter.
That in itself asks questions about why Arteta then waited so long to make substitutions and why he left arguably the best counter attacker in the squad one of the best in Europe last season in Pepe in the bench until the 84th minute.
TR7
You do realize that Arteta is going to make his fair share os mistakes …right?
Sometimes you just gotta say that maybe he didn’t get somethings right. No shame in doing that.
Delia
Having that opinion isn’t an issue at all, but the over the top nature of some of your commentary that runs alongside that view is just nonsense.
It’s been 9 days. Your view on whether he has the requisite experience won’t be proven right or wrong until months into his tenure, and even then there’s scope for suggesting he should have a summer window before concrete judgments are made.
How can you possibly suggest that Arteta told them to keep on doing what they had done in the first half?…As you implied I think we know what the answer is.He instructed then to sit deep and counter in the second half because of the 1-0 lead.
I didn’t suggest or imply anything I don’t know what was said or instructed at halftime you’re the one plucking things out of thin air.
Anyway the first half at least was the best we have seen from Arsenal in a very long time.
Xhaka will not be missed.
Exactly samesong
We didn’t have a great/good match.
We were good for not even a half. Completely outplayed 2nd half.
If that was emery or wenger on the bench I’m sure the analysis would be a lot different from
A bunch of posters on here.
Marko ‘That in itself asks questions about why Arteta then waited so long to make substitutions and why he left arguably the best counter attacker in the squad one of the best in Europe last season in Pepe in the bench until the 84th minute.’ Yes agree with you on substitution point. We did get a few good counter attacking opportunities in which Pepe would have been more useful than Laca. Dissenter Of course, Arteta is going to make mistakes and I will criticize him when I think he deserves to be. Today he got most things right in my… Read more »
@ Dolomite
The bench was poor but we could have made the same changes before.
In fact the team was suffering physically after the first 30 mins. We could have made the changes 15 mins in the second half.
But I feel we are making it too difficult for ourselves….Like I said, I feel that Carlo in the dugout today would have seen this game through. without any fuss
1-1 Wolves got heart.
CC
Unfortunately We dont have months.
People have been going on and on about Arteta on here for 2 years.
They deserve a bit of special sauce thrown in their face. It is just in jest by the way.
I want Arteta to succeed. We need him to succeed. Arsenal need him to succeed.
Marko
Surely you can have some sort of an idea in what was said at half time but just recalling the match and seeing what a big difference the first half was to the second half. Very big difference and in relation to Arsenal.
Go on, Wolves!
VAR again.
VAR is running the game when it’s used like this.
Samesong
“1-1 Wolves got heart.”
Wolves could be the ones that beat the Pool this season.
They could be the ones.
“Anyway the first half at least was the best we have seen from Arsenal in a very long time.Xhaka will not be missed.“
He was literally missed second half when the impetus of the game changed.
Your obsession is unreal, you’re a grown man apparently.
Would love to see Lacazette replaced in January with an Everton Soares type. Some tough but really easy decisions to be made this January. Hopefully they do it
People blaming or citing fatigue are deluding themselves. Same as Saturday, seemingly unaware that natural fatigue just exposes lack of quality, rather than being the primary factor. If we were overly tired, it comes from overcompensating for lack of class, which we did in the first half setting a very high pace against a listless Chelsea.
Liverpool would be 10th without VAR
The sequence between that millimeters of possible offside and the goal was a lot.
They are misusing VAR to damage the game.
LiVARpool
Frank outthought Mikel today.
Identified the issue early, proactively addressed it with a sub and tactical change, went on to dominate the 2nd half and win the game.
If the roles were reversed and Arteta had made those winning changes, we would’ve been effusive with praise.
Credit where it’s due, Chelsea deserved the win over 90 minutes.
Excellent 1st half, very poor 2nd half.
Disgusting
Delia
You on the relegation bandwagon in all? Lol ffs get in the kitchen.
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OMG another VAR disasterclass. Absolute joke.
Feel for Aubameyang. Best player by a million miles this season, and once again put in a huge shift.
Guendouzi is terrible and needs to be binned off while his stock is still somewhat high.
The premier league is fixed in Liverpool’s favour. There’s no way that goal was offside.
I can almost guarantee that we won’t get relegated this season but the fact that we are actually entertaining even the possibility of it should tell you how far we’ve fallen. It all goes back to the cvnt of an owner who has been nothing but a cancer at this club. For 15 years he allowed Wenger to stagnate the club with his dated ideas and when the time came to move on, he went cheap with Emery. Did he learn anything from that? Nope. He went cheap again with Arteta. There is a pattern which is consistent with Kroenke’s… Read more »
VAR CLOWNS AT ITS BEST.
Been happening all season long.
I was a huge supporter of VAR but it turned out a massive failure. It’s actually helped officials to manipulate games easier. This decision wouldn’t have been an offside if it was Liverpool goal.
@Jamie
It was not just the change.
The Chelsea players were more prepared for the fight in the second half. That’s why they dominated us.
Lamps addressed these 2 issues and got the points. He deserved it.
Pool been getting all the decisions in their favor. City would have had more points and Pool less if things were fair.
I was a votary of VAR too and I still think it is a great tool but sadly the referees making decisions are totally corrupt.
CC
We are not getting relegated. We have too much talent for that.
But if we don’t improve the lasting effect of this season could hamper us for years
Paulinho “People blaming or citing fatigue are deluding themselves. Same as Saturday, seemingly unaware that natural fatigue just exposes lack of quality, rather than being the primary factor. If we were overly tired, it comes from overcompensating for lack of class, which we did in the first half setting a very high pace against a listless Chelsea.” Of course that’s true, we have a pretty poor squad overall so the only way to mask it is with higher intensity atm, not sustainable with this lot though because they also lack the legs to run the full 90. Probably why we… Read more »
I don’t know if it’s just a perception thing but it does seem like Liverpool seem to benefit a lot more than anyone else from VAR.
No Charlie Your obssession is worrying because you continually respond to posters commenting about him. That’s even worse. Xhaka would have done fuck all in the 2nd half because he would have been retreating to the edge of his own penalty area like the rest of the team did. As for the first half Arsenal actually looked quick in first transition attack. And they looked quick because Xhaka wasn’t around to slow things down. I just hate how you keep defending this player and over-rate him even when he is virtually gone from the club. Still reaming him as he… Read more »
Guendouzi has reverted to type after a couple of decent matches, he’s such a pointless CM.
Offers little to nothing going forward or defensively, his only use is progressing the play through the middle third which he’s erratic at at best.
Xhaka offers more.
@TR7
There referees will always be carried as long as Mike Riley is head of PGMOL
Something really unsavoury about the amount of times Pool are getting the VAR rub of the green.
Not even as if they need it. Officials determined to end the title race soon as.
WE
Guendouzi has reverted to type after a couple of decent matches, he’s such a pointless CM.
Totally agree some passes set the tone and second half he give pointless passes away. He was jogging back on Chelsea second goal.
The ref should have the authority to override VAR by consulting images from the pitch side screen.
Wolves have every reason to feel aggrieved there. That was ridiculous and is not food for the image of the PL
Arteta the right man and he will prove it this season and after
Yeah was a big fan of Guendouzi in terms of thinking he had some great potential. He still might come good but he is not assisting us in midfield this season.
Don’t want to hear any bullshit out of the club about returning players, January being difficult etc…this squad needs money spent on it and a lot of players need to be shown the door.
People need to get a grip with the manager X would have won this or that. They’re not out on the field playing against another manager, they’re very much limited to what the quality of the squad is. Arteta has already got more out of certain players than Emery did and sets up the team much better but it still isn’t enough. We simply lack the quality in some areas. It was never going to be a case of Saucy Mcsauceington coming in and sprinkle fairy dust over a bunch of inadequate players, we need replacements for some of them,… Read more »
Guys the team were good very good for nearly the whole 45 minutes today.
They looked much quicker and more intent in attacking phase.
The pressing of the ball was the best we have seen for so long.
Chelsea recover somewhat with a change but still Arsenal hold their ground until half time.
Then after half time Arsenal give the game to Chelsea. They retreat and rereat.
Guendozi went down like a sack of shit after a slight touch on his wrist
It was never a yellow
Mino Raiola has bagged himself a fifteen million euros commission fee out of the Haaland transfer to Dortmund, a twenty million euros transfer.
How the fuck is that even possible, taking in fourty plus percent of the fee.
Delia Nah, have to disagree there mate. We’re on the road to making the right kind of changes at the club where we’ll be in a better place with time. I think you’ll be surprised at how much better we’ll be even come the end of this season Ishola You literally take every opportunity to take a dump on Xhaka, that’s clear to everyone. We missed control and accurate passes second half, that’s his remit. The fact you try and rework it and ignore the second half altogether makes a mockery of your POV. Can’t wait until he leaves so… Read more »
Arteta on if we could have pressed more: “More than something related to the organisation, physically it was tough to maintain the level Chelsea play at at the moment.”
Which I think was the reason we perhaps decided to sit back and play on counter in 2nd half
1.Xhaka was missed today . Guen couldn’t do what xhaka does. We need somebody to do the cesc role . No control in the middle.
2. With a makeshift defence this was expected.
3. Torreria missed his man again for the 1st goal.he always goes down in set piece markings. I think even without Leno howler we would have conceded there. The marking wasn’t right .
4.will have more injuries if we asked these lot to run for 90 minutes.
No, no, no, lads. We should be doubling Guendouzi’s wages because he’s “worth £70m,” remember?
From where I’m sitting, he’s years away from being a reliable midfielder over 90 minutes. Not even sure we have one of those currently in the squad.
Good 20/30 mins but soon as Lampard tweaked it, they were in control and you could see them goal coming…
Again, Nelson put in a shift but he’s ordinary, Pepe must be really bad at this football team to have him starting ahead of him
Luiz and Auba were brilliant
Again, can’t emphasize how harder the job for Arteta is with such a poor squad, yes player poverty is a thing, don’t delude yourself it isn’t…
Mustafi again brainless and rather than meet Abraham and maybe even foul him on that counter, he keeps running back like a scared chicken
People are right ot be pissed off with the way we threw it away.
But it is plainly absurd to be heap too much shit on Arteta after less than two weeks in charge and with the injuries/suspensions he inherited. Most rational watches can see the modest but welcome improvements.
Making long term judgements on the basis of short term events tells us more about some posters on here than it does about anything else.
It turns out player poverty was alway a thing after all.
It wasn’t just something created to excuse Emery.
See how Wolves have players in midfield who are confident beating the Liverpool press, Guendozi was basically jogging back on that second goal
United is going to be an interesting game because as good as Arsenal looked our best time in the match came when we had an extra man in midfield. The game basically swung toward Chelsea from the moment Jorginho was introduced.
We stopped that before by having Ramsey smother him but obviously we don’t have someone like that in midfield.
‘It turns out player poverty was alway a thing after all.
It wasn’t just something created to excuse Emery.’
Quelle-surprise.
Wenger Eagle
Raiola is going bag at least double that if Haaland does the business over the next 18 months. Pogba may move soon as well. The guy knows what he’s doing
Making long term judgements on the basis of short term events tells us more about some posters on here than it does about anything else.
Thank you for that. As long as the long term doesn’t include the Championship.!.
Hertha Berlin are set to up their bid for Lucas Toursart to £22m. They also remain interested in Draxler. [@RMCsport] A move for Xhaka does not appear close.
Cunt
Wow
Arteta alluding to player poverty lol.
We can’t match up to Chelsea.
It’s like a track runner kicking early round the bend to try to surprise the favourite and hope he hangs on but he gets hauled back and overtaken on the home stretch.
Our club is in very serious trouble.
Mino Raiola has bagged himself a fifteen million euros commission fee out of the Haaland transfer to Dortmund, a twenty million euros transfer.
That makes no sense. Fucking vulture. I thought his dad was looking after his career and moves
Oh fuck off.
Now Xhaka isn’t even being sold.
Now all we need is ‘Arsenal executives were encouraged by the first half against Chelsea and now have even more confidence that Arteta can turn the season around with minimal or no squad changes in January’.
Dissenter
“It turns out player poverty was alway a thing after all.
It wasn’t just something created to excuse Emery.”
Time will tell, though I doubt if you made that comment after the first half.
The starting point is that you cannot fault Arteta for today’s result. We have known for a very long time that Arsenal’s team/squad is not fit for purpose particularly in defence and to a lesser extent in midfield. The only positives in today’s game were the performance of Aubameyang, Ozil, Torreira and Saka. The rest of the team rates as pretty average to awful. Leno should be shot at dawn with his performance today. His kicking and distribution has been awful all season and the way we conceded both goals were down to him. Arsenal are going to need to… Read more »
Cesc Appeal
“Oh fuck off.Now Xhaka isn’t even being sold.”
That’s alright.
We would have won today with him in the side and he will show just how important he is to the team until the end of the season.
Plays against lowly Bournemouth. Skips Chelsea.
Arteta ‘s inexperience showed today.
You could see early in the second half we had lost control of the game.
Take Laca off and put Pepe in the middle with Auba and put the ball into space for then to attack.
This way you could have bypass some of their midfield.
Willock is not ready to play games like this.
Pierre a football match has two halves.
Talking about VAR, Jorginho pulled down Torr during the free kick. That’s why he was all free for the tap in. VAR didn’t see that clear fault. !@#$%^&*
The team gave their all for 30 minutes then had nothing in the tank for the rest of the the game bar the usual clangers.
‘We have known for a very long time that Arsenal’s team/squad is not fit for purpose particularly in defence and to a lesser extent in midfield.’
ES
Define ‘we’.
That young lad Lampard brought in is quite good though. That pass to Abraham was something
Xhaka is not in the same league as Tousart
One is an eta blushed player, the captain of a top-15 ranked national team, the other is a a young player.
Xhaka is likely going to be sold, with clubs are just jousting until they settle on a fee.
Hertha Berlin know we have to sell to buy a replacement and are probably applying a good squeeze on us.
CA
Do you not think that the current team is not “fit for purpose”? As I posted last
week this is the poorest team I have watched in my lifetime as a supporter.
There are of course some pretty poor players who have represented the club in the past but none have capitulated as easily as this team does.