Mikel Arteta is a Xhaka fanboy

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Well, this is awkward… Mikel Arteta is… a… Xhaka fan.

“When I was going from Arsenal to City to start coaching and we were looking in that position, he was one of the players on my list,”

“This is how much I liked him. I was happy when Arsenal signed him because I thought he was going to be a terrific player.

“ He has done some really good things and now he has got stuck in a very difficult situation that, I think, was growing and growing and growing and one day it exploded. But I have been amazed as well by how this relationship is starting to come back a little bit and I think the fans have been very, very positive about him. Obviously it is difficult to change completely the scenario from where he was to a magnificent one. But I think we are in the right direction with him.”

This certainly appears to be the dead body under the patio the entire exec team missed when they interviewed him late at night when it was clearly too dark to see!

I mean, there’s only one thing to do here, look for the light that shines on this turd the best.

There’s no one else in the squad that can play the better bits of Xhaka’s game like he does, so unless there’s a spare £50m in the pocket of the Kroenke’s, it’s very likely this is as good as we can do right now. Just to double down on the claim that we spent next summers money last summer, Raul said this to the press.

‘It is in general. The strategic window by definition is the summer window that’s when you plan the season ahead. ‘Last summer we did an incredible effort where we were very grateful to the support we got from our ownership.

‘We went really one step further and made a real investment that increased our expectations for the season.’

Doesn’t sound like he’s keen to splurge. I’m also not sure I trust the club to do good work in January, so unless there’s a player we can loan, I’d rather us save what little powder we have for sharp moves in 5 months time.

Back to Granit.

You either build him up, or you cut his throat right away. If we’re in the hearts and minds phase at the moment, there’s no one that needs as much heart as the player who told us to fuck off in a shit fit the other week. It’s also clear to anyone that’s been paying attention that Xhaka is a big personality behind the scenes… he managed to bulldoze his way to the most undeserving captaincy of all time. It makes sense that anyone who is feeling out the squad would give him a chance to make good on his ‘potential’ because he really does have to show some of the players his words mean something (they didn’t under Emery who flip-flopped).

I really do think we have to take a lot of the press talk with a pinch of salt over the next few weeks. Arteta has to win over big names in the squad and he has to make the best of the mess he picked up from Emery. I would imagine he’ll also fancy himself as a proper coach, he needs to have case study signed off over the next 6 months, no bigger player to take on than one of the most misunderstood (as in, WHAT DOES HE DO?) and mistake-ridden players of the decade.

This following quote kind of confirms my thinking, but as it’s Boxing Day, I’ll be honest, I read the below quote and built my blog around it to make it seem like I’m insightful.

“I don’t want to change everything drastically in two days,”

“I want to put my feelings slowly, I want to see what is going around, and in the right moment I will make the decisions for the benefit of the team and the club. At the moment I don’t think it is the right time, with the amount of games coming up and the amount of things that have to be done, to change too many things.”

The most important thing for today is the win (also insightful). Bournemouth is in a mess, they’ve won 2 games in 8 and lost the rest. Sure, they beat United and Chelsea in that time, but they’ve been awful. Their confidence is shot to pieces, they’ve conceded 10 in their last 6. Literally the worst team in the league right now… but remember, we are normally a gift for struggling managers, and it’s not a given that we’ll get a new manager bounce.

That said, we are still only 4 points off 5th –  if we beat Chelsea, we’ll be 3 points away from top 4 at the start of January, which is unreal. There is certainly a very real chance we could make a power play for the Champions League this season if Areta gets things to click. Again, it feels unrealistic considering the drama, the contracts and the confidence… but hey, crazier things have occurred. Spurs are going to be up and down, Jose struggling to impact them like you’d have thought. Chelsea boasts a young squad with a young manager that will be inconsistent, and United are shite.

I still think the brief to Mikel is simple… find out who is worth keeping, deliver a quick appraisal of the kids, and lay the foundations for next season.

“The context is very important, and the context right now, here, is not Manchester City. It is completely different. So I can’t demand the players to do some things because I will expose them and that is the last thing I want to do. I want to give them confidence, reassurance and guidance. But slowly, slowly, slowly, hopefully we will get to where I want.”

Today is a huge first step and it’s exciting. However, I want to stress over and over, the next 6 weeks are going to be very difficult. We could well be replacing 7 first-team players this summer, he has to find out if the kids have the mustard he needs, and he has to win over the fans. Arteta has to somehow build a culture, lay technical foundations, and make brutal decisions all without a preseason.

Bear with it… it’ll come good. I’m certain. See you in the comments and listen to my podcast if you were rude enough not to have already.

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  1. Chris

    The wins will come for us though, with better efficiency in the final third we would have won today.

    You also have to consider who is beneath us. Easily 4 or 5 worse teams.

    Relegation is obviously possible, but it’s also possible I will go out and pull Scarlett Johansson tonight.

  2. Marko

    Who cares if we don’t win and get sucked into a relegation battle the important thing is seeing a pattern of play developing and style and all that shite. Write off this season and start again in the championship that’s what’s good for us.

  3. MGooner

    The team of the past two years is light years away from the Arsenal teams which would play in the CL year in year out.

    Arteta has a big job on his hands – Even Pep would find this hard.

    The atmosphere has become toxic and it is difficult to turn this around. The lethargy in the second half and the lack of passion was there to see.

  4. Paulinho

    Ishola – Yep, I know, hence why it’s a bit of a plus that he’s at least bringing his technical ability to the party for once. Before he was shit defensively and bringing nothing offensively, apart from ambitious diagonals that he seemed to shank 90% of the time.

  5. Ishola70

    The steps to recovery will be seen in winning home matches that were before expected wins.

    Unfortunately there is not a home league match that would be seen as an expected win previously until 16th February at home to Newcastle.

    Would have said Sheffield United as well on the 18th January but considering their performance this season in the league they can’t be rated as an expected win.

  6. Samesong

    Ishola

    I’ve been saying for a while now I dont know where our next win will come from. All the teams below us are capable of beating us on their given day.

    We still concede goals left right and centre. We probably end up 8th but in saying that I’m still not confident.

    Any injury to Auba and we are stuffed.

  7. Cesc Appeal

    Rumours that Arsenal have made contact with Koulibaly.

    Immediately rubbished by fans, obviously, and not without good reason. But there may well be some credibility to it when you think there will be departures in January and Napoli are very interested in Kolasinac which might make a deal possible.

    A CB like that along with someone like Ndidi/Partey/Zakaria is the exact sort of thing we should be doing. The improvement in the sides physicality and athleticism would be dramatic.

  8. Wenker-Wanger

    Arteta has an enormous rebuild in front of him.The squad is mid table and without the injection of real quality players could slip into a relegation scrapping team.
    Those quality players may have to be unearthed gems as I can’t see another £72 m waste of money player being signed in the near future.
    Arteta needs to steady the ship, keep it floating and head slowly for a better future.

  9. Guernsey gun

    Any one still got a hard on for any of these Leicester players….utter dogshit. Liverpool playing with them, Liverpool have 2 more gears , cat with a mouse stuff.

  10. Champagne charlie

    “Who cares if we don’t win and get sucked into a relegation battle the important thing is seeing a pattern of play developing and style and all that shite“

    Now you’re using the relegation rhetoric as if others couldn’t care less about results? Predictable.

    Arsenal didn’t appoint a guy to extract the absolutely maximum from this season, they’ve written this one off for long term gain. When fans accept that concept it’s because they think we’re not getting top 4 and that’s ok because we’re building from the ground up towards Arsenal as a next phase.

    But yea, you want 100 mil spent on 5 new players in Jan… can’t wait to see it happen.

  11. Ishola70

    Samesong
    “I’ve been saying for a while now I dont know where our next win will come from. All the teams below us are capable of beating us on their given day.We still concede goals left right and centre. We probably end up 8th but in saying that I’m still not confident.Any injury to Auba and we are stuffed.”

    tbh the way the table looks atm unless there is a major upturn in fortunes for Arsenal and I mean major then it looks atm that Arsenal will finish just outside of the top eight.

    Goal difference is usually a good indicator.

    The top eight teams in the league at present have plus goal differences. We know these teams aren’t great from fourth to eighth place but they can still get enough points on the board in Spurs, Chelsea and Man United’s case win one, lose one, win one, lose one. Also go on a little run themselves. Erratic for sure but still points on the board. Wolves look a solid outfit that will continue to pick up points quite consistently. Sheffield United may blow out but you just don’t know.

    So just like last season it’s Europa League or bust again realistically.

  12. habesha gooner

    Guernsey Gun Actually they have some top class and some good players. Vardy, Tielemans, Soyuncu and chilwel are top class, while Maddison, Schemichael, peirrea and Ndidi are good players. but Rodgers is getting more out of them.

  13. Marko

    Rumours that Arsenal have made contact with Koulibaly.Immediately rubbished by fans, obviously, and not without good reason.

    I don’t rubbish it at all. Everyone has a price and we’re desperate. Been hearing the last few years about how’s he worth 100 million or there abouts and he’s never left Napoli. Maybe they realize that they get 50-60 million for him that’s good money. I personally rate him very highly but worry about the age. Upamecano for big money in his early 20’s has tremendous upside to the price whereas Koulibaly is what 27/28? Still though a sign of intent for me.

  14. TitsMcGee

    Arsenal aren’t getting relegated. We’re bad but we aren’t getting relegated.

    Arsenal are in big trouble. No matter who you think is rubbish we definitely have way more talent than Bournemouth. There are some players that need to be replaced but the culture needs to be eradicated.

    We developed a culture of softness and “4th place is a trophy” etc etc. That passiveness needs to be beaten out of the club.

  15. Ishola70

    Yeah Firmino stepping it up now.

    That’s the great benefit of having three top class forwards.

    They take it in turns and different periods to carry the team forward.

  16. Dissenter

    ‘Arsenal aren’t getting relegated. We’re bad but we aren’t getting relegated.”

    Tits
    With all due respect…that’s bollocks.
    If we don’t get a couple of wins from the next few games we will be mired in a relegation struggle in January.
    No team is too big to be relegated.

  17. Guernsey gun

    Rodgers is a fucking fraud, been owned last few games. Madison another English show pony. As I said half an hour back Liverpool in second gear plying with this lot.

  18. Marko

    Now you’re using the relegation rhetoric as if others couldn’t care less about results? Predictable.

    I’m not being serious relax. Why you always gotta be a bore. At the same time I don’t want us to finish in the bottom half at the expense of giving up on the season so we could perfect our triangles and transitioning and whatever else shite we need to apparently perfect. Mikel needs points he needs wins all that other slow burn potential shite comes after.

    But yea, you want 100 mil spent on 5 new players in Jan… can’t wait to see it happen.

    What is this petulant shite? We’re 8 points off 4th and dickheads like yourself want to write the season off. What you don’t believe Mikel can turn it around with the same players? You changing the goalposts already. Gone from a top 4 quality squad in need of a good coach to writing off the season and building for the long term. Predictable.

  19. Dissenter

    This Liverpool team may go all the way and blow the total point haul record and still go unbeaten this season.
    They are so efficient.

  20. Champagne charlie

    Bottom half of the table

    10 Newcastle 25
    11 Arsenal 24
    12 Burnley 24
    13 Everton 22
    14 Southampton 21
    15 Brighton 20
    16 Bournemouth 20
    17 West Ham* 19

    —————- Relegation zone

    18 Aston Villa 18
    19 Watford 13
    20 Norwich 12

    *played 18 whereas the rest have played 19

  21. Wenker-Wanger

    To qualify my relegation worry….I don’t think we will get relegated, but there is an outside chance. We are by no means certain to avoid it.Every team down at the bottom can win games… Even watford..

  22. CG

    “”””We developed a culture of softness and 4th place is a trophy” etc etc. That passiveness needs to be beaten out of the club.””””

    I think it has Tits.
    We ain’t passive anymore, whatsoever.

    Forget that top 4 nonsense.

    We are now going for the Top 17th trophy.

    57 Games and Counting since Wenger left.
    Going Swimmingly ever since.

    We have not improved in one single aspect since he departed.
    Not one.

    Truth Hurts

  23. Guernsey gun

    16 more points to the magic 40 I think we’ll make that by start of March. That’s why we left highbury in 2006 folks….at least our fullbacks are tucking in to DM positions off the ball, what a fucking time to be alive.

  24. habesha gooner

    Gentle bris this is a one off from them. Competing with city and liverpool is a little too far for them but they are still going to be the third most consistent team in the league. They are still going to get a champions league spot in my opinion.

  25. TheLegendaryDB10

    Marko

    You are conflating writing off the season with losing games and being relegated.

    I am writing off the season because I am not expecting us to finish anywhere near the top 4.

    What I am expecting for this season is to see gradual improvements, which will in turn mean that we will win games, boosting our confidence and thus ensuring that we end not being relegated and, be in the top 10.

  26. Paulinho

    We’ve got relegation level players in and around our first team in Willock, Nelson, AMN, Guendouzi, so not a huge stretch to be battling relegation.

    If by some bad luck we lose Auba to injury we are seriously screwed, because there are zero goals in midfield and Laca can’t play at any sort of professional standard away from home. We have weak characters as well; our experienced players are mostly clowns. Next month is huge.

  27. London gunner

    Liverpool a club run by football people hence why they managed to assemble a team full of power pace and athleticism. You have to remember they assembled the majority of this squad when their reputation/image was less than that of Arsenal.

    We had all the time and we had the money to assemble a squad like theirs to build like them.

    Instead we have this complete mess and imbalance .

  28. Gentlebris

    ‘That’s the great benefit of having three top class forwards.’

    Whereas we have three top class charlatans……and a retired player as number 10……plus a novice head coach(I want him to succeed though). Are we not blessed!

  29. TitsMcGee

    With all due respect…that’s bollocks.“

    We aren’t getting relegated. Get a grip.

    We’re trash but we aren’t getting relegated.

  30. Champagne charlie

    “We’re 8 points off 4th and dickheads like yourself want to write the season off. What you don’t believe Mikel can turn it around with the same players? You changing the goalposts already. Gone from a top 4 quality squad in need of a good coach to writing off the season and building for the long term. Predictable.“

    As I say, you don’t get the concept of a long game. We don’t “need” points now, for what goal? What we need is to be building towards becoming the side Arteta envisages is becoming – necessary points will come off the back of that.

    Same situation when Klopp took over after Brenda and came what? 8th? Was a nothing season but the latter half served as a perfect base for the majority of the club to gear themselves towards Klopps Liverpool.

    That’s where we are. We aren’t spending 100 mil and uprooting half the squad to desperately pine for 4th this term.

    There’s no goalposts being changed, he took over after 18 games and we’d had our worst start in 40 years, the players utterly spent in terms of confidence. Not one person claimed there was a manager out there to come in and nail us top 4, it was always a long shot, and a tough environment to enter. Fact is that’s now being used in our favour to blood a younger manager and bed his ideas into the club over the remainder of the season.

    But what? You want to beat the drum that Arteta should come in, pick the players off the floor, turn the form around, overhaul the style and culture, weed out the knobs, and ride into 4th? Sounds realistic.

  31. Guernsey gun

    At least we had our values under sir arsene, whilst that pesky klopp went and built a winning machine. Fuck that give me next level values every day👍😂

  32. Marko

    DB10 it’s the usuals who are writing us off at the expense of long term yada yada yada but the season isn’t over by a long shot and besides that if Arteta doesn’t get points in the short term serious doubts will be raised there’s no denying that. The other thing is that how the hell is he going to be expected to get long term success if we’re out of Europe with pitiful finances? European football is a must. I guarantee you that Mikel doesn’t see this season as a write off.

  33. TitsMcGee

    57 Games and Counting since Wenger left.
    Going Swimmingly ever since.“

    You are a vapid Moron.

    Wenger is the fcuking architect for the mess we are in now. We’d be doing no better under him.

    How long before you turn on Arteta?

  34. Gentlebris

    ‘Competing with city and liverpool is a little too far for them but they are still going to be the third most consistent team in the league. They are still going to get a champions league spot in my opinion.’

    habesha,

    Leicester are bang average. They have been rocking it because of their high confidence, now shattered, and their deep gas, now leaked. Losing 0-4 at home must have done them in completely now. The honey moon is over, they are finished.

  35. Marko

    We have weak characters as well; our experienced players are mostly clowns. Next month is huge

    I would bet anything that prior to taking the job Arteta got assurances that transfers would be forthcoming in January. No way he took on the job with everything that was happening and thought I could easily sort this one. He took a risk taking the job and he knows it.

  36. Nelson

    Today, we saw the weakness of playing a youngster. They can lose confidence very quickly during a game. Saka over hit a cross early. After that, all his crosses got worse. In my memory, Tierney is the only one in our team whose crosses are aiming at our strikers. Kola, Saka and Nelson deliver blind crosses. Pepe wants to cut inside and shoot. I don’t see enough crosses from Bellerin and AMN to put up an opinion.

  37. RodneyKing

    Aubameyang may not have ”saved” Arteta, but he definitely saved his blushes.

    Bournemouth have players out injured. I’d reserve my comments regarding improvements until we face better sides.

  38. Gentlebris

    Tits,

    Are you for real?

    We lose to Chelsea and United in the next four days and we are in the relegation zone on the first day of January already.

    And let me tell you, if it comes to a relegation rough house, down Arsenal would go, the league referees would see to it, they fucking hate Arsenal.

    Even VAR hates Arsenal!!!!!!!

  39. Pierre

    I’m not writing the season off just yet .

    Beat Chelsea and United and the perception of our season suddenly looks completely different.

    Lose and it’s a write off and it will be just about the rebuilding process and possible Europa glory.

    Next 2 games are crucial to our season.

  40. Ishola70

    Well it isn’t a write off just for the fact that there is Europa League to go for however much that is like playing Russian roulette.

    Arteta needs to show improvement in results though until the end of the season even if it means just finishing in a very average position.

    Then there is something to build on for next season and with hopefully some new additions.

    The best scenario now really is to go on a decent unbeaten run at some point before the seasons end and have a tilt at the Europa League.

    What should not be permissible is to give him a free pass to tank it in terms of results just because top four doesn’t look achievable.

    Of course he won’t be dismissed if he does tank it until the end of the season not meaning relegation but it will sure as hell put a massive downer from the start regarding his appointment.

  41. CG

    Tits

    “””Wenger is the fcuking architect for the mess we are in now. “”””

    Oh yes, off course he is

    (I thought in Wengers last season we finished 6th with exemplary home form.
    And another Wembley final)

    So it is Nothing to do with the inept managerial appointment of The Clown ?

    Nor the 11 players we have bought since he departed for the combined cost of £250 000 000 ?

    And the style of soccer is so riveting these days too.

    Off course its Wengers fault.
    Silly me.

    As for Arteta – I like him- but if we wants to surround himself with an inferior back room staff- thats his problem.

  42. Gentlebris

    Imagine the pressure on Arteta if he continues to play people like Ozil and Xhaka and he then gets zero points from the next two games.

    The man’s starchy talks would desert him pronto.

  43. Marko

    There’s no goalposts being changed,

    But there is though. You’ve argued all season long about an underperforming manager and a top 4 quality squad and now you’re talking about writing off the season forgoing results in the hopes of something long term. What’s changed?

    You want to beat the drum that Arteta should come in, pick the players off the floor, turn the form around, overhaul the style and culture, weed out the knobs, and ride into 4th? Sounds realistic.

    Isn’t that what you lot were saying prior to him getting the gig. So what expectations should we have for him inheriting a top 4 quality squad? I mean I want him to be a success I don’t really know what you want from him to be honest. It sounds like you have little to no belief in the lad whereas I think if he can get some points in before January and have a successful window that we could yet get into the mix for top 4

  44. Gentlebris

    Fact being stated, Old Wenger must be chuckling in his cupboard at FIFA, tears of joy in his eyes.

    Wenger fucked Arsenal, but we forced a change of regime to arrest the situation and turn it back. If the rescue mission fails you can’t blame the failure of the mission on the villain can you?

  45. Marko

    Arteta needs to show improvement in results though until the end of the season even if it means just finishing in a very average position.

    This is true as well. Imagine he draws the rest of his season and the write off argument that certain types are peddling won’t matter a jot to everyone else that thinks the appointment was a risk to begin with. He’s highly rated for a reason and you don’t get highly rated for writing off seasons and making out that results don’t matter

  46. azed

    Marko

    Some of us are writing this season off because we would rather see the foundation of a new team being built slowly.
    If we drop out of Europe for next season, we play only once a week which gives Arteta enough time to work with the players and we can go on a similar run like Leicester.

    I’ll rather finish 8th than finish 5th.

  47. Gentlebris

    ‘Of course he won’t be dismissed if he does tank it ‘

    He’s being dismissed already after an away draw. If we get zero points from the next two games and fails to win the one after, I guarantee you Ishola, Arteta would start dancing to Emery’s latter days music

  48. Champagne charlie

    “You’ve argued all season long about an underperforming manager and a top 4 quality squad and now you’re talking about writing off the season forgoing results in the hopes of something long term. What’s changed?“

    Having half a season played appallingly and introducing a manager looking to radically alter us top to bottom mid-season at that very point. Different story entirely of we’d have shook hands with Emery after losing the EL final and appointed a competent manager then. But we didn’t. It’s like you’re wilfully being ignorant to try and score more points, just isn’t the clever look you think it is.

    “Isn’t that what you lot were saying prior to him getting the gig“

    No, it isn’t what was said prior. It’s what you’ve been rallying behind because you’re that sort of person on here.

    Everyone else with a brain cell acknowledges the work required coaching a new approach into a side, and to do that mid-season with a game every 3 days is fanciful to think it’ll be a smooth operation. But if you believe in the process it’ll be worth the initial teething issues and bumps.

    All basic stuff that’s been covered chapter and verse, but you’ve laid on the table the sort of rubbish you live for and how you contrive to make it about what you want to because you need someone to badger day in, day out.

  49. TheLegendaryDB10

    Marko

    I see where you are coming from.

    I have to admit it is too early to be saying anything as to how all this will pan out as it is Arteta’s first game.

    But you are right. Getting CL will be of immense help for the required rebuild, certainly that it will help attract players.

    This season will be a bumpy ride. And there is considerable pressure on Arteta to achieve.

    But do keep in mind that he has been given a 3 1/2 years contract. This surely must mean that they are ready to give him some time to redress things.

    I am ready to give him this season to show us that progess is possible where a style of play will emerge (a la first 8 months of ‘Pool).

    But I guarantee you that my expectations will be much higher next season. And even more so considering that he is so highly rated by everyone in the business.

  50. Marko

    Some of us are writing this season off because we would rather see the foundation of a new team being built slowly.

    Right but we and Arteta can start that build now and not have to wait 6 months. And again this whole better if we finished 8th instead of 5th nonsense is the worst kind of nonsense. We’re struggling financially and to attract better players and in no way shape or form does that get better from an even worse position. We need European football at the very least.

  51. Ishola70

    Marko

    “and making out that results don’t matter”

    Results always matter even if you are floating around midtable.

    Look at Leicester as an example. They ended up 9th last season just floating around midtable. But when Rodgers took over midway through the season they got a bit of home form going towards the end of the season and that was something for them to build on going into next season.

    That’s what we need to see from Arteta. Some signs that improvement is being made before the season is out even if the finishing poistion is overall seen as not being noteworthy.

    And results. Not waffle about seeing improvements that don’t reflect on the end result and scoreline.

  52. Gentlebris

    There is nothing the AKBs wouldn’t attempt to protect their prince. We are going to see a big show of it here, with our landlord as the lead actor.

    I’m witnessing some serious reverse talk here already from some of the members of the new drama brigade.

  53. Words on a Blog

    As the Chinese proverb goes, a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

    Lots of signs today that that first step was taken.

    Let’s hope that, unlike Emery, Arteta doesn’t get lost along his journey.

  54. Ishola70

    Gentlebris
    “He’s being dismissed already after an away draw. If we get zero points from the next two games and fails to win the one after, I guarantee you Ishola, Arteta would start dancing to Emery’s latter days music”

    lol I don’t think anyone would have the stomach to sack him that early in his tenure unless the highly unlikely happens and he gets the team relegated.

    But as said before if we don’t see some shape of improvement in terms of results by the end of the season then his appointment will be seen as a bit of a damp squib.

  55. Luteo Guenreira

    Let’s not kid ourselves, in order to get back on the trajectory most fans were expecting at the outset of last summer after Wenger got binned, the absolute minimum that Arsenal need to accomplish this season is to win the Europa and get back the cash injection that comes with the CL.

    The club knows this too, I highly doubt that the season will be written off. But I still doubt how much investment there will be aside from funds raised from player sales, only problem is I don’t think anybody wants our players, not the older ones at least. If no one is able to be sold, will there still be investment?

    Arteta is in a good position though. If he can pull of something like the Europa he will be given all the credit, but if we fall short not many will put the blame squarely on him at this point.

  56. Marko

    Having half a season played appallingly and introducing a manager looking to radically alter us top to bottom mid-season at that very point

    Why radically? You argued incessantly that the quality of the squad is top 4 quality and here you are just 8 points off and it’s radical this and write off that. What happened to that believe in the squad? Why does he have to radically alter anything when it was considered top 4 quality and the goal is to get back into the Champions League. You are changing the goalposts because now it’s dawning in that thick skull of yours that the squad is a mess and despite a new head coach who’s seemingly competent, capable and with potential you’re talking about writing off the season. It was very expected though I’ll be honest. But I will be the consistent one in this relationship Charles I am not writing off this season I am not going to accept the kind of results that Emery got for us. I have belief in Mikel one result in his first game won’t change that

  57. Ishola70

    Again we need to backtrack in regards to Emery’s final downfall.

    His final downfall was not winning three home matches in a row that were seen as more than winnable.

    If he had got more points in those three home matches we would still be talking about how shit an Arsenal coach Emery is.

    Three home matches.

    Talk of radical this and radical that seem a bit over dramatic.

  58. Marko

    Legendary no piss take I see no reason why with a successful January that Mikel couldn’t not only improve our league form but also go far in the Europa. Which makes the whole write off stuff infuriating to say the least. It’s December ffs who the fuck gives up in December it’s pathetic even more so when you consider that there was an argument about the squad being good enough

  59. Graham62

    I was asked the other day by a work colleague( a Wolves supporter), did I think Pep or Klopp would have carried on in the same vein as Wenger, after our regression became so evident to everyone.

    My answer was simple.

    No, they wouldn’t have.

    They would have both walked away out of respect for the club, it’s fans and, also, most important of all, for themselves.

    Therefore the root cause of our fall from grace will always lay at the door of Arsene Wenger.

    Happy holidays.

  60. G8

    It’s obvious from the end of Wenger era that the squad is not good enough.
    The injuuries didn’t help..
    Signing dud players like lichtstiner, sokratis, Denis Suarez, didn’t help

    It was more obvious by the end of last season bottle job and disastrous run of results that the squad was still not good enough ,
    New season
    Again injury didn’t help
    Adding Cebellos, Teirney and luiz didn’t help
    Not playing Pepe more didn’t help
    Persisting with ozil and xhaka didn’t help
    Emery got his knickers twisted didn’t help

    bottom line Wenger left us with an unbalanced, and injury prone squad and we added more injury prone players and duds.
    Emery, Arteta or even johan cruyff would struggle
    We have to address the full backs, centre backs, midfield positions before we see any progress
    IMO

  61. Marko

    Luckily for us it doesn’t sound like the club is thinking of writing off the season with reports of us targeting a CM and CB. Sounds like they think it’s salvageable

  62. Champagne charlie

    “Why radically? You argued incessantly that the quality of the squad is top 4 quality and here you are just 8 points off and it’s radical this and write off that“

    Was Klopps football a radical change to Brendas football at Liverpool? How long before it took hold, and how many setbacks and teething issues were encountered nailing it along the way? Same with Pep at City, didn’t they finish 5th trying to adjust to the concepts he was bringing to the table?

    Arteta is tackling Arsenal on that scale, he’s changing everything and asking mountains of the players vs what we’ve had for years. That’s what’s radical about it.

    The quality of the squad is top 4, I don’t waver from that judgement and of installed before the season started we’d have seen a completely different opening 19 games from the same set of players.

    “You are changing the goalposts because now it’s dawning in that thick skull of yours that the squad is a mess and despite a new head coach who’s seemingly competent, capable and with potential you’re talking about writing off the season“

    Again, no goalposts are being altered, not once was it suggested a new manager would come in at Xmas and navigate us to 4th.

    I previously argued if we changed coach day one of the international break, let him have two weeks training, then a decent run of 4/5 fixtures that we could maybe salvage the season and rekindle our top 4 hopes, but we didn’t.

    All this is being explained to someone that doesn’t believe in the concept of coaching, so you can forget any sort of understanding that coaching takes time to implement – let alone how changing the entire ethos of the club mid-season presents its own challenges.

    You talk like an complete bellend, “dickhead” “thick skull” et al, really makes your inane points pop.

  63. Champagne charlie

    “CC loves the word “radical”
    I think that word turns from docile to hornball“

    I’ve used it once today, and have since had to explain/defend the use of it to a handful of people who want to pick arguments.

    You being one, and what are you doing again…..?

    So do me a favour and fuck off back under your rock. Go on, scurry away again before people catch wind youre a lying prick that struts about here acting the bitch.

  64. Ishola70

    Arteta is really not going “radical” until the season’s end.

    He has already alluded that he isn’t going “radical”

    What he has alluded to is some tweaking that is all.

    This radicalism if it is to take place at all will begin pre-season next summer.

    So this perceived radicalism taking place as we speak in reality is not really happening and is no excuse for him not to show improvement in results before this season is out.

  65. Marko

    Was Klopps football a radical change to Brendas football at Liverpool? How long before it took hold, and how many setbacks and teething issues were encountered nailing it along the way? Same with Pep at City, didn’t they finish 5th trying to adjust to the concepts he was bringing to the table?

    Time and money I remember this same argument being made for Emery. I also remember hearing about seeing something tangible prior to that that allowed Klopp to get more time. Arteta is in the same boat so no real write offs allowed

    The quality of the squad is top 4, I don’t waver from that judgement…Again, no goalposts are being altered, not once was it suggested a new manager would come in at Xmas and navigate us to 4th.

    Squad is good enough for top 4 but 8 points off top 4 and we should write off the season. Funny thing is Emery was sacked when we were 8 points off top 4 so if we were going to write off the season why not just keep Emery in the job and replace him at the end of the season. I mean if we were planning on writing it off

  66. TheLegendaryDB10

    Marko

    Mikel couldn’t not only improve our league form but also go far in the Europa

    You are not really stating in what position/ at what stage you see us finish in the PL or EL.

    Look, I really like your optimism. And don’t get me wrong I’d be more than happy for us to finish in the top 4/ win the EL.

    It really is down to what Arteta does with this team. I have very little faith in the senior players and wouldn’t mind seeing them all replaced sooner rather than later.

    But you have to acknowledge it’s going to take some time to get all this done.

    This Jan transfer will be crucial in seeing who he can bring in to help with the push.

  67. Marko

    You talk like an complete bellend, “dickhead” “thick skull” et al, really makes your inane points pop.

    Oh fuck off cunt you regularly jump out front with the insults I’m just skipping ahead. Sorry insults I meant banter you don’t insult it’s banter.

  68. Marko

    You talk like an complete bellend, “dickhead” “thick skull” et al, really makes your inane points pop.

    So do me a favour and fuck off back under your rock. Go on, scurry away again before people catch wind youre a lying prick that struts about here acting the bitch.

    His banter just pops out doesn’t it

  69. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Liverpool fans wrote that season off and instead sought to witness improvement in the club toward this new ideal. They saw that and were suitably encouraged for the summer and beyond. Rest is history. That’s the boat we’re in.

    “why not just keep Emery in the job and replace him at the end of the season. I mean if we were planning on writing it off“

    Ridiculous question, trolling at this point. The potential gains are there for any sensible person to see. We had started in the worst manner for 40 years and there was no light at the end of the tunnel.

    You’re still, hours later and multiple different opinions shared, under this daft impression writing off the season is bobbing along to the same output Emery delivered. If that’s where you’re at then stay there, I’m done with the engagement.

  70. Champagne charlie

    “Oh fuck off cunt you regularly jump out front with the insults I’m just skipping ahead.“

    Garbage, I reply in kind however. So scroll right past me, you’re a waste of space.

  71. Dissenter

    Ishola
    Bravo to your ;ast comment
    The so called ‘radicalism” doesn’t start until the summer when he gets his own players in.I expect that even his backroom will change some.
    No sauce without good players.

  72. Dissenter

    cc
    “So do me a favour and fuck off back under your rock. Go on, scurry away again before people catch wind youre a lying prick that struts about here acting the bitch.”

    You are are a real classy guy. I’m sure your mamma must be real proud of you.

  73. Marko

    Difference between write off and salvageable will be in January. Nothing happens they’re writing it off sign some players and that’s them trying to salvage it. The hope is that the club doesn’t have that loser mentality that some fans have and is actually fighting to save the season. 8 points off its objective is salvageable

  74. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    You don’t want to talk class, you’re slimy as they come on here, and you haven’t a clue how proud.

  75. Ishola70

    Klopp took over Liverpool on 8th October 2015.

    He had a new manager bounce.

    One defeat in his first 11 matches in all competitions. Seven wins in that run.

    Home form when he took over until the end of the season in all competitions = 26 matches, 13 wins, 10 draws and only 3 losses.

    Home form from 30th January 2016 until the end of the season in all competitions = 8 wins, 6 draws and no defeats.

    EPL home form when he took over until the end of the season = 15 matches, 6 wins, 7 draws, 2 losses. Eight games unbeaten at home until the end of the season. Had some eye opening victories in regards his team scoring goals = beat Man City away 4-1, beat Chelsea away 3-1, beat Norwich away 5-4, beat Aston Villa away 6-0, beat Stoke at home 4-1, beat Everton at home 4-0

    So you see results need to back up whatever revolution might be taking place quite quickly to confirm that it is in fact actually happening.

    This is why we also need Arteta to show this in terms of improved results until the end of the season.

  76. Dissenter

    CC
    Every time I come here, you’re arguing with one or more posters with a lot of name calling. When you’re called out,you hurl out abuse that borders on bigotry.
    Talking about slimy…[chuckle] is rich coming from a putrid catfish.
    Of course she’s proud of you since you’re so classy.

  77. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    More unsubstantiated rubbish, becoming your niche now isn’t it. You’re a fan that likes to temper the enthusiasm of others and talk up relegation, not to mention being one of the biggest bitches on here making catty remark after catty remark that you think goes unnoticed. I’d skip talking about my family if I were you.

  78. Valentin

    We have 24pts after 19 games. 4th place is likely to require 74pts. So that is 50 PTS in 19 games. That’s league winning level of results. If we accept that Arsenal is going to lose to Liverpool, Manchester city and draw at White Hart Lane, we need 49pts out of 16 games. Unfortunately a win is only 3pts and the maximum out of 16 games is 48pts.
    Even if the 4th place requires only 71pts, bar a miracle or a complete collapse by 4 teams, top 4 is already out of reach.
    Add the fact most coaches need between 4~6 weeks before players starts to be accustomed to their coaching method, and the idea that Arteta will suddenly propel the club into top 4 is a pipe dream.
    This season is a write-off and we need to be realist and concentrate on the big picture. Make sure that we are in the best shape for next season. Missing the Europa League may be a financial burden, but sportively that may help Arsenal in the long run. Playing only once a week helped Leicester and Chelsea winning the league. This season Brendon Rodgers can spend a week coaching his team instead of alternating between recovery and travel to the next game.
    It is more important to have a proper balanced team next season attuned to Arteta’s demand than qualifying for the Europa League.

  79. Marko

    No no I’m hearing now that Mikel is manager we shouldn’t have any expectations whatsoever on the season and just write it off. No point in showing up really just tell the lads to return for preseason…in December.

    Val no need for math equations keep it simple we have to make up 8 points on the team in 4th. I think it’s very manageable after all Spurs for example were what 10 or 11 off 4th at one point are now 3 points off. Charles however thinks 8 points is too much despite the squad being good enough and now the manager being good enough.

  80. Aussie Gooner

    I can’t believe that some people on here see ‘signs of improvement’ from this debacle. Surely that is an indictment of how far we have fallen, run ragged by a handful of journeymen and never have beens! It was hard to tell at times which way we were kicking there were so many back /side passes. When the chance to break occurred the final ball in/cross was deplorable. Sunday league standard. As were the final shots – lamentable! Our goal was our first shot on target in the match, against a ‘pub team’.

    The team selection showed no signs of improved thinking, same useless players selected while talent sat on the bench, players played out of position, players giving 50%, mismanagement of the youth development on an epic scale to have no defenders ready to step up to the first team. Lets be realistic here, under the Krankies there will be little sign of improvement. Sad, sad days ahead. Just lets remind ourselves – we haven’t finished out of the top 10 since 94/95 and I can remember finishing 17th in 75/76.

    Why are we making so many excuses?

  81. Aussie Gooner

    And lets not forget , still playing out from the back with players that are obviously not able to do so (ref their goal).

  82. China1

    Gentlebris ‘we lose to Chelsea and utd and we’re in the relegation zone by new year’

    Are you assuming all the teams below us are going to pick up 6 points during those two match days? That’s less than 1% likely

  83. China1

    People need to take a breath

    Our defense was tighter than it’s looked all season. We controlled most of the game quite comfortably. We had a stable looking CM partnership for the first time since this time last year. We created more than enough chances and half chances to win easily. We started the game well for the first time since forever. Everyone worked hard for the first time since a year ago

    I know people are pissed off and disappointed with the results, with the missed chances, poor crosses and back passes, but people need to breath and get a grip

    No one is coming into to the total shit show and having us look excellent within days. Never gonna happen. It’s disappointing to not get the win, but there were several positives to be built upon for next game. There’s no reason why our crossing and shooting can’t be 15-20% better next time as it’s rare when all of them suck together lol. If we just had a normal laca performance he’d have scored at least 1 and one or two of those crosses next time will find someone like auba for a tap in and the game is won.

    Take a breath boys

  84. China1

    Yesterday we were 15% better than we were two weeks ago

    The benchmark is really low but that’s where we’re at. We have to benchmark to where we have been recently, not based on where we wish we were if x/y/z had been different in the last 4 months. It’s pointless

    If we get a further 10% improvement over each of the coming couple of games we will at least be on an upward trend

    Ofc we all wants points as well but those points will come increasingly easily as we make small improvements each week.

  85. Tony

    Pedro
    I think you should get Marko and Charlie in a podcast with you.

    They regularly keep Le Grovers amused, so would probably make for a lively podcast/debate.

    Maybe add phone in contributions from Receding H and Valentin with a guest phone in from Bamford to fade out the podcast as soon as he mentions Emery.

    Could go viral!

  86. Tony

    From ESPN:

    What does the Arsenal team need in January?

    New manager Mikel Arteta has already identified what he needs to make his squad better in January: Sources have told ESPN that the club want a centre-back and an attacking midfielder.

    Who are the major targets?

    Merih Demiral, who has not played much this season at Juventus, is on Arsenal’s radar. Dejan Kulusevski, the 19-year-old winger on loan at Parma from Atalanta, has also impressed the Arsenal scouts. Thomas Lemar’s name has also been mentioned as another attacking option given his struggles at Atletico Madrid, while 17-year-old Sevilla prodigy Antonio Zarzana is another target fitting the profile of a young talent in midfield.

    Who could be leaving?

    Mesut Ozil and Shkodran Mustafi could be placed on the transfer list this winter as the club begins the task of rebuilding.

    Any new contracts?

    When he has the time, Arteta will sit down with Alexandre Lacazette and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang to discuss their futures at the Emirates. They have only 18 months left on their respective contracts and despite links to Chelsea. sources said they are keen to stay. — Julien Laurens

  87. China1

    ‘Sources say they are keen to stay’

    I will be a bit surprised if both stay personally

    CM is a major one for us. A quality but also robust and hard working AM could help our set up a lot. A beastly dm/b2b could also work wonders, tho I suspect we are going to see more of xhaka and torreira looking good under Mikel

    I don’t think we need a winger as a priority so lemar doesn’t seem an efficient use of our resources

  88. China1

    Yesterday torreira was excellent. He broke up play and shielded the defense really well and he played a really disciplined role, rarely pushing forwards.

    Just what I’ve been calling for since the new year and sure enough he played far better than he has for the entire year.

    People wrote torreira off far too easily. Not many players will look good playing out of position…

  89. China1

    If we want a CB we should just get big sol Campbell out of retirement. The sight of him crashing fools half his size with his elbows and charging straight through opposition strikers like a fucking train make me feel warm and fuzzy inside

  90. Emiratesstroller

    Arsenal’s horizon this season is at best mid table.

    Bluntly this is one of the poorest squads/teams to represent the club in my
    years of supporting Arsenal.

    Arteta has a massive job to do, although he made some effort in yesterday’s game to refocus more on attack than we have seen in recent games.

    The main problems are of course the same as before namely:
    brittle and weak defence.
    pedestrian midfield
    wingers who could not cross accurately a ball.

    Let’s be honest our expectations for this season and perhaps for a couple more
    have to be slow progress. We have spent a lot of money on mediocrity and it will be very difficult to shift players out of the club and generate much transfer revenue.

    Personally I do not see much prospect of shifting out of the club more than one or two players in January and the likelihood is that these would be loan projects.

    Similarly we are likely to have a very limited transfer budget considering the
    acquisitions made in the summer and the financial commitments. The only way that we can produce additional funds would be if Kroenke digs in his pocket or we are compelled to sell Aubameyang.

    My personal view is that Arsenal need to focus any transfer fees available or
    generated on our defence in January. The wing backs in absence of Bellerin and Tierney are not strong enough. Saka may have future at club as winger, but Maitland-Niles is awful primarily because he lacks ‘football intelligence”.

    Finding a World Class Centre Back is a priority, but that probably applies to many other clubs as well. So our prospects of finding such a player in current market are not particularly good.

  91. Leedsgunner

    Ironic if Brenda comes second again for the EPL title with Leicester… always the bridesmaid never the bride as far as the EPL is concerned?

  92. Gentlebris

    ‘Therefore the root cause of our fall from grace will always lay at the door of Arsene Wenger.’

    No, Graham.

    Wenger fucked Arsenal by refusing to learn from his mistakes, by refusing to acknowledge that he couldn’t be head coach and director of sports at the same time and by generally being too arrogant. But that is where it stops.

    Wenger was for us a remarkable coach, man manager and great organizer. He created a new identity for the club in his early years and fought to defend this identity in his later years. Wenger was eager to build a strong financial backbone for this club and he believed he could win spending low and finding the talents before they reached the limelights.

    Wenger kept going in the market, constantly frustrated by ManU, Barca, Madrid and eventually pushed to the wall by the sudden inflow of cash at Chelsea then later at Citey. Wenger was eager, for the sake of football, to prove you could win without spending obscene amount of money, but it was difficult and the fans got on his back and stuck there.

    By then Wenger was under serious pressure to deliver. He decided to spend some money to deliver. I’m of the opinion that around 2014 he planned to deliver a premier league title and bow out on that high. He couldn’t find that happy ending and the pressure hit the roof, at that point he panicked and started listening to transfer advice. He made many mistakes with players like Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi. The fact that he wanted to sell Mustafi after only one season kind of confirmed the idea didn’t originate from Wenger.

    After that, when the man became absolutely desperate to get the fans off his back, he signed Laca and Auba, two players a calm Wenger would never have touched, especially Auba.

    Then under all of this pressure, he delivered three F.A trophies. I’m certain that if Arteta(or whoever)delivers just two F.A trophies in the next four years, the ovations would be deafening.

    The fact that the whole operation put in place after Wenger’s exit are all over the place right now should tell you something. These people in charge are going to give Wenger his due credit, just wait and see. Because it will get to a point that the most unrepentant Wenger hater wouldn’t be able to put the shits these guys are serving out at Wenger’s door without coming across as just stupid.

    Wenger loved the club, he made mistakes but he loved the club and cared for it intelligently like he owned it.

  93. RGG

    Wenger is responsible for this mess. He signed Ozil, Lacashite, Kola, Xhaka.

    Their wages, their performances, their attitudes. They are the reason we are in this mess.

    If Arteta wants a team that gives their all week in week out he has to get rid of these players fast.

  94. Unai

    Marko, I agreed with a lot of what you said regarding Emery, he got no time and in the end, fan pressure contributed to the malaise.

    What I cant understand is, your on Artetas back already (after calling for time for Emery) and it seems your only objective is to score points over CC.

    Your argument is dim as fuck, saying the gap between us and 4th is only 8 points then dismissing val’s quite sensible equations.

    Yes, its only 8 points but there are 6 teams between us and 4th so we need all of those teams to drop enough points while we go on a superb run.

    You make it seem like if Chelsea drop 8 points and we get 3 wins were in 4th, clearly were not.

    Also object to you saying if someone says top 4 is unlikely, there basically giving up, I’d love Arteta to turn this around in a week, get us purring and achieve top 4 but I wouldn’t put any money on it happening.

    I’ve not given up but I set my expectations on realistic outcomes, top 4 is an outside chance at best.

  95. Aussie Gooner

    I am afraid it is not just a question of looking up – looking down is not too good either! Villa are only 2 wins behind us and they occupy the last relegation position!

  96. China1

    If we lose two in a row and villa win twonin a row, we won’t swap places with them. The teams between us will also likely drop an assortment or points as well.

    There’s really not much point in us looking at the table right now as we’re over analyzing numbers.

    We’re probably not going to get top 4 and we’re definitely not getting relegated. We’ll probably get top 8 with some bumps and scratches along the way.

    That is the logical balanced expectation. We’ve had more than cases of people predicting the unlikely extremes

  97. Unai

    Aussie, Villa are not catching us.

    We’re on a bad run, confidence is low and we’re performing below our ability but there are a lot worse in this league than us.

    If Arteta takes us into a relegation fight I’ll be the first to hold my hands up and say we made a mistake but it’s a way too early for that.

  98. Bamford10

    Arsenal will lose to both Chelsea and United and will be in 12th place — and 6 points off of Wolves and 8th place on January 2nd. I wish it were otherwise, but Chelsea and United are both much better than we are and other teams are going to pick up points in the meantime.

  99. Pierre

    Valentin
    “We have 24pts after 19 games. 4th place is likely to require 74pts”

    Could be as low as 68 points for 4th, which is achievable.

    The next 2 games will determine how the season progresses, beat Chelsea and United and we are back in the mix , lose and we are out of it .
    2 draws are of no help .

    It’s that simple .

  100. Unai

    Well said China!

    On current form 7th/8th would probably represent an achievable improvement whereas 13th/14th would probably be worst case.

    Can’t see 4th or 18th as our form would need dramatic improvement or regression for that to happen.

  101. China1

    Drawing with Chelsea and utd is bad for our top 4 hopes but if we don’t make top 4 they will still be confidence inspiring results

    We were in a death spiral until recently and everyone and their uncle was taking 30 shots a game, dominating us and beating us. Step 1 is to steady the ship. Step 2 is to start winning regularly.

    As long as we don’t fall back into that death spiral then talk of the relegation places is quite ridiculous

  102. Bamford10

    I honestly can’t believe there are people who still think we can compete for top four this season. We won’t even compete for top six. No chance. Chelsea, Spurs and United are all much better than we are. Unless we somehow have a first-XI-changing January, there is no chance we contend for top six much less top four.

  103. China1

    Bamford I don’t predict we’re getting too 4 either but it’s still an outside possibility

    Chelsea aren’t doing well at all and utd are Jekyll and Hyde so they’re hardly much better than us.

    If arteta gets a good run on the go we can challenge for it. If he can’t then we won’t. I believe the reasonable expectation is we will improve but have frequent stutters so will come up short

  104. Bamford10

    Pierre

    “Beat Chelsea and United and and we are back in the mix … ”

    With what players? Are we going to use some other club’s players? What the fuck have you lot been watching? We are not good. We are not going to beat Chelsea or United with Ozil, Torreira, Xhaka, Aubameyang and co. No chance. No idea what you lot are talking about.

  105. China1

    Even with a settled manager of a year, utd have still done almost as badly as us this season Bamford. You are far too kind on them just because you like their players/manager

    Whilst we’ve had our worst start to a season since the bloody 1970s and have been in a death spiral and are now on our 3rd manager “much better than us” utd with their stable and well backed manager and expensive squad are only a little bit better off than us.

    They are shit too mate, sorry to break it to you

  106. Unai

    Realistic contenders for 4th.

    Chelsea, United, Spurs & Wolves.

    All are in better form than us, have more a more coherent squad and have stable management.

    Very unlikely all these hit bad patches.

  107. China1

    Bamford our players are better than Southampton’s who just did Chelsea 2-0…

    We need signings but the extent of squad poverty that gets pleaded is almost comical

  108. Bamford10

    China

    “Chelsea aren’t doing well at all and United are Jekyll and Hyde so they’re hardly much better than us.”

    No offense, but are you fucking kidding me? Do you guys even watch other PL teams? United are way, way better than we are. Way better. You can’t just look at results. You have to look at the quality of the team’s play, the quality of its players, and you have to look and why and how they lost or drew this or that match.

    Watch United’s 4-1 win over Newcastle today and tell me we are equal to United. Let me help you: we’re not.

    We’ll be lucky to get a draw against either of those two teams, and we’ll be lucky to even contend for 6th. We have little to no quality, and I think some of you are still a little blinkered on this point.

  109. China1

    Freddie and arteta have already demonstrated in the last two matches that our desperately wank CM position with wantaway torreira and dickhead xhaka can actually look pretty solid and self assured when put in a proper system

    On any other day laca isn’t fucking that many chances and half chances and one or two of those crap crosses will be better and land to auba for a tap in. 3 points

    People on here love to exaggerate

  110. Unai

    Bamford, I’m not happy with the senior players but let’s be honest, we cant be starting AMN, Nelson & Saka and expecting too much.

    Perhaps in future their time will come but I think, their inexperience will cost us more this season than Ozil and Auba will.

  111. China1

    right Bamford so if you play good football but still lose and draw very frequently you are good?

    Yeah that’s not how football works. Didn’t work for wenger when we played pretty football and came up short for all those years and doesn’t mean a thing when utd do the same.

    No amount of liking their players or manager changes that fact. They are as likely to draw or lose against a lower mid table team as they are to beat them. Great team they must be

    And if you want to pick out their good performance against the mighty Newcastle as proof of how good they are, can you do the same and credit our DMs and CBs for generally looking much better for the last two games?

    Or do only utd get praised?

  112. Unai

    I see a lot of parallels with united.

    Some solid if not spectacular senior players complimented by under baked youth.

    We desperately need Tierney & Bell back and to resolve our CD issue if we’re going to kick on.

    Actually felt a little sorry for Arteta yesterday, its was a first 11 of nessesety more than anything, very few options.

  113. China1

    In terms of player quality, this is one of the weakest Man Utd squads of the last 30 years.

    Sorry for the bad news Bamford

  114. Bamford10

    Sorry, China, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. United struggled early on on account of injury woes. They have loads of quality and loads of athleticism. We have neither.

  115. Gentlebris

    ‘Wenger is responsible for this mess. He signed Ozil, Lacashite, Kola, Xhaka’

    Our guys in charge are gradually replacing them……..we will see.

  116. China1

    Bam put basically any fergie it’s up against this lot and compare

    They aren’t elite anywhere on the pitch mate. The days of rio and vidic, tevez rooney and Ronaldo, scholes and carrick etc are very much long gone. This squad has some talent but is miles off being really good