Arteta deal clogged up over politics and PR narrative

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Predictably, things are taking a little bit of time. As fans, we’re being whipped into a frenzy by newspapers and journalists trying to maximize their share of the attention carcass.

The latest odd story doing the rounds states Arsenal are yet to make formal contact with Manchester City about a release. I find this one a little weird. Arteta let Guardiola know what was happening last week, per Pep in his press conference… so it’s hard to believe Arsenal’s leadership didn’t speak with the City top dogs despite sharing a box with them at the 0-3 defeat, or after spending the night in Manchester after a botched stealth job at the assistants home.

… but let’s be honest, it’s exactly the sort of weird oversight you wouldn’t put past our leadership team.

I suspect what we’re seeing is a bit of hardball. No one wants to seem like they’re getting fisted in front of the world of football via a hidden camera. No club wants to lose a top coaching talent everyone is raving about. I imagine the posturing is about making a go of it to their own fans who might be wondering why he’s moving. They have to be seen to do something. The release fee is ranging from £500k to £2m. I am sure we can handle that sort of payment and I’m sure City don’t really care about the compensation, it’s more about the PR perception. City don’t often lose.

There are more positive stories elsewhere. Great news that the club is going to keep Freddie onboard. He’s done a fantastic job under very grim circumstances. He’s not thrown anyone under the bus, he’s largely protected the kids, and he’s spoken with eloquence and love in the media. He’s a very, very impressive guy, I hope he’s looked after.

I doubt he’ll be given the assistant job. I think that needs to go to someone with experience, so there’s a counter-balance to Arteta’s relative youth. Torrent and Rodolfo Borrell seem like very obvious candidates, but it’s not clear what positions they’d take up. There might be other names under consideration, still can’t get my mind off the idea of Xabi Alonso in the dugout, it’d be far too saucy, it might even be a distraction.

One person that isn’t happy with the move is Willy Aubameyang. The brother of our captain complained on the internet that Arteta lacked experience. Quite the opinion the drop considering the prestige position his brother holds in the team and in the hearts of the fans. I don’t think it’ll come as a surprise to many, but there are a lot of bad eggs at Arsenal, young and old, that will find their way out of the club this summer. You can’t pin this on Pierre, but really, can you imagine Harry Kane’s family slagging off ‘past it’ Jose on Insta before he started? No chance. There’s just a level of professionalism Arsenal have lacked since Wenger left. Hopefully the new regime will bring a bit of discipline and pride back to the Arsenal operation. Huss, Edu and Raul need to gain a bit of control of the squad. Arteta will need to be given time and a huge amount of visible support. If the players sense they can overpower him, his tenure is dead. I think the 3.5 year deal is important, it says we’re committed to the project. I can’t help but think Emery’s break clause dogged him, particularly in year 2 when the players knew they could end him.

Word has it that Carlo will sit out the game at the weekend, opting to take a seat in the stands and let Ferguson run the game. I’m really struggling to see the benefit of Arteta leading the team out if he’s had no time to work with the players… maybe just having him in the stands will be enough to see a performance from the players? Maybe it doesn’t matter. He’ll only have 5 days with the players before the Bournemouth game, then it’s 3 days before we host a struggling Chelsea, then we have United on the first day of the decade. Quite the baptism of fire, but at least the run is fairly breezy until we go to City at the end of February after that.

It’s great to see the fans are behind this move. I even saw some people retract statements of disgust around Arteta because of the backlash. This move is a smart one for Arsenal. Fan expectation is very low. We’ve hired in a world-class coach, that part can’t be denied, he has the reciepts to prove it. We’ve hired in someone that can speak the language of the country and the league. We have someone with Arsenal DNA in the dugout. We hope the coaching credentials will translate onto the pitch. There is lots of work to do, there are going to be rough patches, but at least there’s some direction now. The rest can be worked out over our 7 month preseason.

I’m keeping this short today, I need to keep some powder dry for the actual announcement of the coach. Fingers crossed he lands today, if he doesn’t, don’t panic… I think it’s too far down the line for even Arsenal to balls it up.

See you in the comments.

624 Responses to “Arteta deal clogged up over politics and PR narrative”

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  1. Gentlebris

    ‘Ideally it would be better if we let Arteta decide who comes and who goes as this lot are clueless.’

    Exactly the opposite of what they intend.
    They are so incompetent that they know it themselves, and it scares them that an elite coach would expose them in six months flat.

    They spent £200m and only managed to bring the team rock bottom technically.

    The wastrels.

  2. Marko

    Why? Don’t just say something without grounding. Why am I stupid?

    Because the analogy you used is stupid. A heart surgeon doesn’t forget how to surgeon in a different country. They’re not easily comparable you dummy. Especially given the physical aspects. How about a heart surgeon from a nice clinic with the best equipment and one in a war torn country using plastic utensils. Should be fine according to you right? Things don’t always go seamlessly especially in sports especially in a team based environment.

  3. Romford Pele

    “Things don’t always go seamlessly especially in sports especially in a team based environment.”

    This really.

    In sports like Tennis/Boxing/Golf etc everything is on your own individual performance. In team-based sports, your ability to perform well can be influenced by a number of actors. It’s not hard to understand.

  4. Marko

    Worth pointing out that Eden Hazard one of the best players in the premier league in his last 8/9 years in England has really struggled in Spain since joining Real.

  5. CG

    Walt

    I wish you would not make excuses for these Dopes.

    Whats the rationale with the Pepe signing for the preposterous £72 million?

    A) to get us immediately back into top 4 ( to help recoup some money for the deal)?

    B) to sell him on for a profit ( difficult to make profit on £72 million as only a handful of clubs have that sort of money)

    C) so he scores some goals in The Loosers on a Thursday night?

    D) Make Raul look good and grease some palms?

    No logic or basic business strategy whatsoever to shell out this sort of money on unproven player.

    As for the footballing side

    Pepe ain’t nowhere near the player Sanchez was – and he was a nightmare in terms of giving the ball away in a front three.

    Pepe in a front 3 Cant work
    He gives the ball away too often.

    Flop Flop Flop.

    And I am rarely wrong on these matters as you are on USA presidents.

  6. jwl

    Hiring Arteta is desperate, he going to be next René Meulensteen, we will be eighteenth in March and looking to hire our third manager of season. I seriously have no idea where the hype for Arteta comes from, if he had any talent at all he would already be managing somewhere and proving himself, not sat beside Pep for four years.

    And why does Arteta deserve time to fix squad but Emery did better than Wenger in his first season but it was claimed he had no idea what he was doing?

  7. Marko

    Doctors in war torn countries don’t use plastic utensils.Grow up.

    They don’t work in the same conditions as some cunt in Beverly hills though do they? But according to you the results should be the same.

  8. Edu me a favour

    “” if he had any talent at all he would already be managing somewhere and proving himself, not sat beside Pep for four years.””

    He had offers and turned them down

    Ffs just do a simple google search

  9. Marko

    In team-based sports, your ability to perform well can be influenced by a number of actors. It’s not hard to understand

    Exactly. Pepe coming in and struggling in a team that has shown itself to be utterly incompetent these last few years is no way an appraisal of his ability or what he’s capable of. Despite those struggles he’s still having a better statistical season than Zaha who would have apparently hit the ground running and seamlessly fitted in at Arsenal

  10. Guns of Hackney

    Marko

    Are you seriously comparing Pepe at Lille being akin to Beverly Hills and at Arsenal to Aleppo?

    Christ. The only difference is his salary. Which at Arsenal is much fucking bigger.

    Anyone that can’t perform under pressure is a wet winkle.

  11. Pedro

    JWL, desperate would be Carlo, Nuno or Martinez.

    Hiring Arteta is the opposite of desperate. It’s visionary. Almost spoilt.

  12. Guns of Hackney

    Stop it Peter. You’re going to wind a few people up so much they will start reading Untold.

    Marko is a disaffected Arsenal fan who needs a hug from a great white shark’s mouth, that’s all.

  13. Marko

    You need to start respecting GOH and his elite opinions. Any more bullying and you’ll find the sin bin.

    At the risk of a ban what elite opinions? Bullying? Relax man I don’t think it’d be possible to bully someone who threatened someone else’s family on here before (without being banned by the way). He can take it

  14. CG

    GoonerJay

    “”actually matched up to your supreme arrogance and negativity you’d all be millionaires.”””

    I am though.
    I own 1/4 of the Eastern Cape
    1/3 of Namibia coastal.

    And most of Pretoria ( but that’s not worth too much)…..flatlined on me badly.

    I invest in the Footballing Futures markets – and its very lucrative.

    Buy them Everton Goals.

  15. Gentlebris

    What is happening to Arsenal?

    What has happened to these few supporters that are of the opinion that a man who has never done the job before is the best we could hire to solve these deep problems on the pitch?

    Emery has lots and lots of experience and has actually done smart work before and we saw with our eyes how he wrestled with the problems and failed.

    Now you think a zero-experienced rookie who is being rejected by the players themselves is the best we could do? And you are actually urging the club on to do it?

    What the fuck happened to you?

  16. Marko

    Anyone that can’t perform under pressure is a wet winkle.

    Elite thinking that. Hazard at Madrid, Fabregas at Barcelona, Kaka at Madrid come to mind instantly. Ramsey at Juve, Keita at Liverpool, draxler at PSG are some more.

  17. azed

    “Marko,You need to start respecting GOH and his elite opinions. Any more bullying and you’ll find the sin bin.”

    Pedro

    Does GOH have pictures of you cheating on your oat milk with Peroni 😮😮😮

  18. Guns of Hackney

    Marko

    I’ve told you and everyone else on here a hundred times, there was a rogue GOH who had an umlaut over the O who gave me a bad rap sheet. Small detail, but easily missed.

    I’m a peace loving war machine who just wants to see Arteta do wonderful good looking things at Arsenal.

    Peter is winding you up and you’re biting. Stop being silly.

  19. Marko

    Marko, you’ve been name calling for three days.

    A bit lose with the stupid name calling I’ll admit but I ain’t never said anything “offensive” and I ain’t threatened someone’s family though. But do as you will.

  20. Marko

    To be fair I get the feeling I’ll be banned more than ever when Arteta comes in. Even though I’ll be honest I’m not going to act like some of the previous twats on here the last 18 months I’m actually going to give him time and two transfer windows before I totally condemn him. Not two games like Pierre gave Emery or 13 games like TR7 gave Emery or 5 minutes that Pedro gave Emery. Unless he’s woefully bad he gets 12-18 months and at least two windows in.

  21. jwl

    Edu me a favour – so what you’re saying is we are hiring novice prima donna that thinks anything below Arsenal is a waste of his time?

    Pedro – there are very good reasons why top clubs don’t hire inexperienced managers. Only middling clubs think we should roll the dice and see what happens, best clubs hire people with experience. Hiring Arteta shows how desperate Arsenal are, we can’t even attract top tier managers, we have to hire assistant with no experience other than putting out cones.

  22. Micheal

    Reading all the negativity about Arteta on here set me thinking. Thank goodness Le Grove did not exist when Wenger signed – Arsene Who would have been polite.

  23. Gentlebris

    ‘Hiring Arteta is the opposite of desperate. It’s visionary. Almost spoilt.’

    Visionary?

    Visionary is having the sense of what the future holds BASED ON THE ACTUAL DATA you have today and acting accordingly.

    Taking an action aimed at having an advantage in the future without having any data with which you make your decision is totally daft, not visionary.

    Hiring Arteta is like signing a smart looking dude who has never kicked a ball before to top strike for us just because you felt he could be a good footballer based on the sentiments of his friends.

    It is extremely daft.

  24. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    That just shows you up as a poor judge, it’s not a grand statement to make at all despite the weird pride you’re trying to display in your convictions.

    You couldn’t see the forest for the trees with Emery, ignored the tells, we suffered for not being rid in the summer, yet you’re still sticking to your inane guns of giving someone 18 months before judging them vs recognising issues when they occur.

  25. Nelson

    I am sure that those who are opposing Arteta, have never met him and talked to him before. I read that he has many good ideas of the game. He’ll have a plan already how his team supposed to play. He’ll need 100% support from the board to manage the players. The three players who may be difficult to manage are Auba, Laca and Luiz. All others will play for the shirt.

  26. WrightIsGod

    I used to come on here and argue with Pedro and his bum chums that Gazidis could not be trusted to do anything right. I was right.

    I would argue post Wenger (I was always WengerOut) due to the mess he left behind that things would get worse before they got better. I was right.

    Pedro does tend to dress his personal attachments as well informed opinions, the Arteta loving is no different.

    However, I think this decision to appoint Arteta is the best one we could have taken at this time. We have nothing to lose this season. If it totally flops it can be rescued in the summer.

    The biggest issue for Arteta is gaining the respect of the senior players but to be frank most of them are the cancer at the club. He needs to get rid ASAP.

    Romford Pele
    “ Also we need to stop this obsession with ‘Hollywood’ signings.”

    This is bang on the money. When we were dons Wenger made stars, he didn’t buy them. We need young, fast, mobile, strong players that fit a system, that’s all, big names not needed.

    So if the likes of Laca and the classless Aubameyang’s (that’s right brother we’re looking at you too) want to kick let them kick. It’s time for a new era regardless.

  27. WrightIsGod

    Nelson

    “ The three players who may be difficult to manage are Auba, Laca and Luiz. All others will play for the shirt.”

    You’ve clearly never met Ozil, Xhaka and Mustafi.

  28. jwl

    Michael – Wenger was experienced coach, he won league at Monaco, he was not some random fella with no experience that people said nice things about.

  29. Redtruth

    Michael
    “Reading all the negativity about Arteta on here set me thinking. Thank goodness Le Grove did not exist when Wenger signed – Arsene Who would have been polite.”

    The difference being the bland Spaniard has lived in England for over 10 years and not an unknown quantity.

  30. Bob N16

    Agree Nelson, I’d be amazed if at least one of the three you’ve mentioned doesn’t find themselves driven out after ‘taking on’ Arteta’s authority. My money’s on PEA if his brother’s wittering should be taken seriously.

  31. Receding Hairline

    Hiring Arteta is NOT the best decision we could have taken at this time.

    Its a road the club has decided to take and one we hope will succeed

    Calling it the best decision we could have taken is overselling it

  32. Gentlebris

    ‘He had offers and turned them down ……just do a simple google search’

    Let us forget for a minute that a google search could tell you millions of untrue things, why would a great guy turned down an actual opportunity to lead a team only to continue in his assistant capacity?

    Even the great Pep behind whose skirts he has been hiding actually took a job leading a B team. Half of Vierra is greater than Arteta yet he took a job in an unknown league in America. Lampard took a job at Derby.

    If your man indeed ran away from a job because of the perceived challenges then that should tell you tales.

  33. Un na naai

    The difference being the bland Spaniard has lived in England for over 10 years and not an unknown quantity.

    RT

    Difference being one was the greatest manager we’ve ever had and the other aming the worst

  34. Un na naai

    Receding HairlineDecember 19, 2019 17:33:32
    Hiring Arteta is NOT the best decision we could have taken at this time. Its a road the club has decided to take and one we hope will succeed Calling it the best decision we could have taken is overselling i

    Rh
    It’s a hell of a lot better than keeping emery on over summer or throughout any of his performances this season.

  35. Bob N16

    Receding, using capital letters doesn’t make your opinion more valid.

    Gentle, ‘behind whose skirts’ – agenda driven phrase if ever there was one. ‘Learning from one of the top 2-3 coaches in the world’ would be far more accurate.

  36. jwl

    Independent, today – “Ljungberg told the hierarchy that too many of the players didn’t care, and that was unlikely to change until a permanent appointment was made. Both the interim manager and key officials are said to have been taken aback by just how much the players have dropped off, and how slack some attitudes were. It has fired the mood for a clear-out.”
    ————————–
    This is not something that gets fixed by novice coach with “sauce”. Arsenal are in bad situation and many here are buying into fairy tales.

  37. Gentlebris

    ‘The three players who may be difficult to manage are Auba, Laca and Luiz. All others will play for the shirt.’

    It would surprise you then, that Auba, Laca and Luiz have a lot of disciples in the team, a whisper from Auba and Laca especially, would see Pepe and Guen giving you the middle finger.

    Then Mr Mesut Ozil is hugely popular with Kola, Leno, Mustafi and Xhaka.

    Bellerin would see the group and apply to join, taking Ceballos with him.

    Lucas would just weep and weep.

    Actually, the only reason I don’t wanna see this drama is because I support Arsenal. The drama promises lots of comics.

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Shall we do a before Arteta signs and an after poll?

    I’d say currently we’re 50/50 on whether it’s a good one or a bad one.

    I say, better to take this chance than not and live to regret it.

  39. Receding Hairline

    Bob N16

    Why is hiring Arteta the best decision we could have taken at this time then? Give me valid reasons backed up by facts.

    And upper case letters is for emphasis not for validity,didn’t think you needed a lecture on that.

  40. Marko

    yet you’re still sticking to your inane guns of giving someone 18 months before judging them vs recognising issues when they occur.

    You know what you’ve convinced me I’ll judge him straight away so. Every goal conceded every mistake every defeat It’ll be on Mikel so. If I don’t see a philosophy and style almost immediately I’ll be calling for his sacking. Very weird though to want that from a person cause usually people with no experience an unknown are given some leeway but okay if it’s the modern way to support Arsenal I’m game.

  41. Marc Faber

    “Hiring Arteta is the opposite of desperate. It’s visionary. Almost spoilt.”

    No, hiring Arteta is like hiring the promising 18 year old french kid who has bags of potential and then saying ‘we are going to build our team around this untried 18 year old french kid because its radical’. No, it is stupid.

    Visionary would have been to say ‘Who is the best coach for the type of football we want to play? The football that we used to be known for?’ Ah, that would probably be Nagelsmann at Red Bull. He has done it in a top league, has a track record, would command respect and would attract some of the best talent who can play that kind of football.

    But no, lets go for someone who we have zero clue on how he will play, zero clue on what his style is (although I maintain he is a Guardiola acolyte) and, if the noises out of the club are correct, probably bemuses the shit out of the squad he is about to inherit.

  42. Bob N16

    Receding, crystal balls are all well and good but not sure they exist. The decision of giving the job to Arteta has obvious risks but for many of us, inspires the prospect of real change. Someone who knows the club, has had an apprenticeship with one of the top coaches in world football and who has for many years shown the characteristics and personality needed to become a top coach.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re in the shitter at the moment and we need some radical changes, a radical young coach is just what we need. You could argue a more experienced coach, to steady the ship, would be wiser but Emery was of that type and look where we are.

    Take a dose of optimism and try and enjoy the ride, the alternative is masochistic.

  43. Pierre

    Marko
    “. Not two games like Pierre gave Emery”

    I cant help it if some of us are more perceptive than others…

    I can guarantee you one thing, Arteta will prove to be a much better fit for Arsenal football club than Emery.

    Emery took over a team that had won their last 5 league games at home , scoring over 3 goals a game and proceeded, with Wenger’s DNA, to go on a 22 game unbeaten run until Emery’s football philosophy kicked in.

    Arteta is taking over a team that have lost 2,drawn 3 and won none in their last 5 league games , scoring 6 and conceding 10 ( 2 goals a game) .

    It is clear that whoever took over at this present time, has a very difficult job to first , rebuild confidence and second, to rid ourselves of Emery’s negative influence on the team and then we can look forward with some sort of confidence.

  44. Dissenter

    “ Take a dose of optimism and try and enjoy the ride, the alternative is masochistic.”

    Of take a step back in pragmatic resignation or cautious optimism became we have no control over the appointment.

    Some people are rearranging furniture in fantastical castles they built up in the air.
    Arsenal is now the club of hope.

    The squad was described as being good enough but now has to be cleared out to help this elite saucy manager to succeed.

  45. Marko

    Completely failed to understand what was said, so pretty much as reliable as ever.

    No I understood it. If I see warning signs of failure irrespective of how long he’s in the job I should call it out instead of giving him time. You guys were very perceptive with Emery and I hope I can be as perceptive with Mikel.

  46. Un na naai

    s well as landing Nicolas Pepe for just £20million up front and William Saliba for an initial £3m, he secured deals for David Luiz, Kieran Tierney and signed Dani Ceballos on loan.

    I mean how is it that we spend £45m in one summer and there is no money left for next season? How can that be?
    We are making an extra £60m per season in sponsorship
    We’ve cut the wage bill down by over £500k per week and yet we have no money? But Brighton Watford palace and west ham do?

    Does this nit strike anybody as odd?
    I’m not asking kroenke to put his hand in his pocket but why aren’t we spending all of our money? We have £200m in reserve

  47. Receding Hairline

    Bob knowing the club really means nothing at this point. He doesn’t know the club any better than Freddie Ljunberg, Patrick Viera, or Thierry Henry. Two of who are actually on their second stints coaching right now.

    The only reason Arteta is so highly thought of and seen as some sort of sure bet is Joseph Guardiola.

    You can tell yourself it’s because he knows the game inside out, once captained the club etc but we all know the real hope is looking at what Pep has achieved and someone hoping it has rubbed off on Arteta.

    This isn’t the best possible decision the club could have made. Saying that does not make you an enemy of the club nor does it mean you are willing him to fail. I don’t think too highly of my opinion to wish the club fails so I can come on here and type how right I was.

  48. Graham62

    Bob N16

    In my eyes Emery was not an “experienced coach” in the sense he knew what he was doing and he certainly wasn’t capable of steadying the ship, infact he did the complete opposite.

    As for Arteta, only time will tell.

  49. TheBayingMob

    I believe in Pedro’s narrative, it’s exciting but I’m also not sure Arteta is going to really be the messiah Arsenal need. I have a strong doubts but let’s see where it goes.

    On another note why is it such a big deal that City are upset by our conduct!? Is there some unwritten rule about how you contact members of a coaching team!? I’m not aware of any. It’s not like he’s the their star striker. Actually having to pay them off to take the assistant manager is mental.

  50. Marko

    I cant help it if some of us are more perceptive than others…I can guarantee you one thing, Arteta will prove to be a much better fit for Arsenal football club than Emery.

    That’s the kind of thing I’m talking about had Emery pegged after two games and Arteta pegged before he’s even taken the job. That’s the kind of fan I want to be in however long Mikel is the manager. Should be one hell of a ride

  51. Bob N16

    Graham, Emery had 14 years of managing experience, culminating in one of top jobs in football before Arsenal. Whether you rate him as a coach, that is quite a lot of experience although not a Benitez or an Ancelotti I’ll grant you.

  52. Receding Hairline

    Pierre we still had the third best home record in the league last season. Chelsea, United and Spurs were all banished at home. I know you like to kid yourself that was Wenger DNA at work but the tactics employed for all those games were quite far removed from Wenger.

    Ishola is right though, all this lamentations isn’t because some of you want to start competing or start being a serious club again, not at all. It’s because we failed to beat lesser clubs at home to sneak into the top four where we do fcuk all in the Champions league.

    Your constant reference to the last home games under Wenger when we were playing for nothing never ceases to amaze me though, what a benchmark.

  53. Receding Hairline

    Graham is the guy who assured us Freddie was already a much better manager than Emery and will do a swell job once Emery is sacked. I don’t think his hot takes on who is experienced or not is worth much.

  54. Nelson

    WrightisGod: “You’ve clearly never met Ozil, Xhaka and Mustafi.”

    For Ozil, even after Emery humiliated him time and time again, he still smiles and trains as usual, although he’ll never be able to play as well as before.
    For Xhaka, he is not suited for EPL. He did try his best. He made a mistake for not controlling his emotion. But he never revolts against the Manager.
    Mustafi has already been bin from the team. We can ignore him.

  55. Receding Hairline

    Bob unless you are telling me we have been categorically rejected by Allegri or Pochettino then I don’t see how this is the best we can do.

    Need I remind you we are talking about the assistant manager of City with three years experience in that role.

    Like dissenter just said two many castles are being built in the sky. We need to exercise caution, our problems are by no means over. Even if Arteta is a revolutionary we are in for some tough times. Its not going to be plain sailing by any stretch.

  56. London gunner

    I’ll get behind and support arteta because every manager deserves a chance, but there has to be a limit on how long.

    Really think naglesman or marco rose would have been much better choices. Hope we don’t go the ogs man united route. Arteta deserves two seasons to get us back into.top four and playing hood football.

  57. CG

    Being the most sage observer on here- although there is some fabulous talent coming through Le Grove ranks and junior teams……

    The most interesting story in the last 48 hours is the one relating to Aston Villa and its fines it might receive because of breaching FFP.

    With our Dopes running amok and falling revenues – we have to tread very carefully.

    We are loosing fortunes.

    There cant be too much to spend for Arteta- regardless if KSE want to invest on players anyway.

    The money has gone.
    Rauls shredded it……on garbage.

  58. London gunner

    Le grovers how long will it take before we start seeing arteta ball or art?

    It’s going be a real challenge for him this season to get us playing nice football again are midfielders are so shit that everything just falls apart from the very first sequence.

  59. Bob N16

    Receding, Allegra would have excited me but question marks would have also existed about his ability to dig us out of a hole. Clearly he was able to sail the good ship Juve for years but I have no idea whether rebuild jobs are within his capability.

    Pochettino suggested that he would never consider Arsenal and he seems like a man of his word, so I wonder whether coming to us was ever likely.

    A young, innovative coach, with their best years ahead of them feels like the way to go. Let’s hope Arteta is the man!

  60. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I keep on reading ‘negatives’ from many posters on Le Grove regarding the
    appointment of Arteta as Head Coach.

    This reminds me of the recent General Election campaign where the Conservatives led by Boris offered a ‘positive’ message and Jeremy the exact opposite and we know who won.

    Arsenal need to be gamblers and visionaries when it comes to next appointment. Arteta is rated a top class coach. The only issue is whether he is
    a “Team Leader”. Both Guardiola and Wenger believe he will become one but
    must be allowed time to develop in that role.

    The decision to appoint Arteta suggests that the club recognise that the current squad has some potential, but is unlikely to qualify for Champions League this season and it is worth the gamble.

    I agree with you that there will be the opportunity to build a decent coaching
    team including backup coaches with some experience. Also I am glad that
    Freddy Ljungberg is being retained. He is an “Arsenal” man and by all accounts a decent coach.

    We know that there are still players in the squad who are dross and need to be
    offloaded. Under Arteta one or two may be offloaded in January, but the rest have 6 months to prove themselves.

    Those who do not support the new head coach will be I am sure offloaded in
    the summer.

  61. Receding Hairline

    Emirates you are not reading negatives, you are reading legitimate concerns. Justified concerns. Or are all Arsenal fans supposed to agree that appointing an inexperienced manager is the best possible course of action right now without expressing even the slightest doubt?

  62. Marko

    This reminds me of the recent General Election campaign where the Conservatives led by Boris offered a ‘positive’ message and Jeremy the exact opposite and we know who won.

    Same thing really. Good man stroller keep those battle lines drawn

  63. Receding Hairline

    Bob Giovanni Van Bronkhost is also out of a job right now mind you. City recently granted him full access to the club or so I read.

    Or is 44 considered old in the young innovative coach stakes?

  64. WrightIsGod

    Nelson

    “ For Ozil, even after Emery humiliated him time and time again, he still smiles and trains as usual”

    Lol this is what scares me. If this is Ozil smiling and training ‘as usual’ we’re doomed. Ozil is perhaps the biggest problem in that squad, his attitude absolutely stinks. By your judgement I’d hate to see him uninterested, although I suspect that’s what we’ve already seen for the last two years – his anti-China chat atm is basically him doing his “ I ain’t going nowhere!’ Jordan Belford impression. He intends to stay, do nothing and collect his cheque, biggest coward I’ve ever seen in an Arsenal shirt and the worst is he has the biggest influence.

    Spare me.

  65. habesha gooner

    Marko, RH anyone that doesn’t admit this is a bigger gamble than appointing an actual experienced manager is living in lalaland. This a massive “assume the worst hope for the best” type of gamble. Marco rose or julian Nanglessman would be visionary. But make no mistake about it even if it works out I believe this would like winning the slot machine. And voicing your concerns a slot machine wouldn’t work out doesn’t make it any less valid even if you win.

  66. WrightIsGod

    Receding Hairline

    Arteta’s the best option because we weren’t going to get anyone mid season without paying way over the odds. Allegri and Poch want to wait until the end of the season for a bidding war and the rest are unlikely to leave their current jobs until the season’s over.

    Arteta is a better option than Freddie and the guy has coached in the Premier League for 3 years under arguably the best manager the world has ever seen. He’s earn this coaching stripes, give him half a season and see where it goes.

    I hope that makes more sense.

  67. Luteo Guenreira

    Honestly if anyone proclaims something as the “best” course of action on anything that has so many mitigating factors, don’t you know to take that with a grain of salt or recognize the person saying it as someone not worth responding to? Pointing it out isn’t the public service announcement some of you may think it is. There are stupid people out there, thanks for the stupid reminder.

  68. habesha gooner

    Wrightyisgod Being concerned arteta might be inexperienced doesn’t mean we aren’t gonna give him time. He is appointed now and we are gonna back him all the way as we would do any manager. but it is still illogical or difficult to prove why he is appointed.

  69. Receding Hairline

    Wright I have already said a few times I am willing to write off this season for him. I am actually giving him the rest of the season as a sought of preseason then see what he does in the window with regards to outs and ins.

    Expressing concern isn’t the same as writing him off.

    And if indeed we gave Arteta a three and half year deal solely because he is better than Freddie and can join Mid season then dare I say everyone should be worried

  70. Gentlebris

    ‘You can tell yourself it’s because he knows the game inside out, once captained the club etc but we all know the real hope is looking at what Pep has achieved and someone hoping it has rubbed off on Arteta.’

    Absolutely correct and it shows Arteta’s hire as absolutely stupid.

  71. Gentlebris

    Pierre desperately hoping Arteta would build his team around Ozil, once that doesn’t happen the Pierre’s Arteta support would go up in flames.

  72. Bob N16

    Personally I find attempts to make bullshit binary political parallels as obnoxious, but maybe that’s just me!

    Gentle’s not an Arteta fan I’m guessing!

  73. Gentlebris

    The moment Josh and his goons get it wrong again, Josh’s daddy would go crawling to Wenger.

    Wenger as CEO is inevitable if Arteta fails woefully. And the likes of Pedro wouldn’t have a value on which to protest, all would have been lost in a big wager on Arteta.

  74. Un na naai

    Receding HairlineDecember 19, 2019 18:47:45
    Emirates you are not reading negatives, you are reading legitimate concerns. Justified concerns. Or

    Rh

    How exactly are they justified? He hasn’t taken charge of a single training session yet. How do know he won’t go on an unbeaten run for 49 games? Will it be justified then?

    Why don’t you wait to see what happens? You could be setting yourself up again here and you don’t even see it coming. You mugged yourself off massively over the last 18 months so I’d put a sock in it until there is some evidence as to what way it will go with Arteta.

  75. Valentin

    Gentlebris,

    I think that you underestimate Mikel Arteta’s appeal.
    He was always viewed as a sharp tactical mind, and a great organiser. That’s why Pep wanted him as an assistant in the first place.
    Arteta was already in demand before he joined ManCity and worked with Pep. So his closeness to Pep is an extra brownie points in his favour rather than the reason why he is in demand.
    Most players who have been in contact with him have testified that he is a terrific coach. The only valid doubt that people may have is on his managerial ability. He has never been in the hot seat and how he will react to players behaviour and to the pressure is still unknown.
    Gary Neville is the classic example of the good coach, but terrible manager. Same with McLaren and Brian Kidd.
    How if the players behave in so horrible way, then the club should step in and be ready to kick the dissenters out. For most of them finding a club of equivalent standing than Arsenal willing to pay the same high wage will be next to impossible. So I do expect PEA, Lacazette and Özil to leave but the rest Mustafi, Torreira, Xhaka will just back down pretty quickly. The decision for them leave may not be in their hand anyway.

  76. Receding Hairline

    Shut up Don, you are incapable holding any sort of conversation or debate because you are a kid stuck in a mans body.

    Mugged myself off massively over the past 18 months nonsense, what past 18 months, the past 18 months when we finished two points off third? You keep talking about 18 months like Emery somehow underachieved last season, he didn’t no matter how many times you try to sell it.

    Shut up if you have nothing better to offer than repeating that same nonsense.

    We are appointing a guy who will be holding the position of head coach for the first time in his life and to handle a group of players who have already seen off a more experienced coach and you believe all concerns are unjustified

    Fuck off

  77. Un na naai

    RedtruthDecember 19, 2019 19:29:16
    Wenger has endorsed the bland Spaniard ..
    We’re fucked!!!

    RaT

    Oh. Shall we work off your endorsements then? Emery and Jeremey Corbyn
    Great track record you’ve had lately

  78. Un na naai

    “”Mugged myself off massively over the past 18 months nonsense, what past 18 months, the past 18 months when we finished two points off third? You keep talking about 18 months like Emery somehow underachieved last season, he didn’t no matter how many times you try to sell it.“”

    With Wenger’s squad yes. Once his tactics and team selections really kicked in we plummeted

    “”We are appointing a guy who will be holding the position of head coach for the first time in his life and to handle a group of players who have already seen off a more experienced coach and you believe all concerns are unjustified“”

    This players saw off a weak non entity. The worst manager we have had in 45 years. A man who let the squad decide both our captains
    A man who let two perfectly capable playmakers leave for free and benched the other two
    A man who took a squad that finished 1 point from a position you were crying over 2 years previously only to take us to the bottom half of the table immediately.
    No wonder the players had no faith in him. He’s as soppy as you hairline.
    You have no idea how good or bad Arteta will be. That’s not what your opinion is based on. It’s based on his style replicating wenger and his affiliation with Wenger.
    It’s why you were so far up emery’s arse hole, he was the antithesis to wenger and he bombed. We did it your way. We went with a safe and uninspired choice and paid for it. Time to try something new and visionary.
    Someone who is endorsed by the best coach in world football and the best coach we’ve ever had.
    If you were truly “concerned” (lol) for London’s biggest club you’d have clamoured for emery to go this summer along with any of us with a set of eyes and a half functioning brain.

    You didn’t though. You backed the worst thing to happen to arsenal since kroenke bought the club and revealed your pathetic bias.

  79. Receding Hairline

    If that’s the best you could come up with as a response don then I apologize to toddlers all over the world for calling you one.

    He finished Two points off third with Wenger’s squad eh, remind me again how many points off third we finished the season before that…

    Scratch that…stop addressing me. You are repulsive

  80. Un na naai

    He finished Two points off third with Wenger’s squad eh, remind me again how many points off third we finished the season before that…

    Rh
    Lacazette played half the season and Aubameyang played the other half. If he’d had both fit and firing we’d have qualified.
    Do I have to post the stats again from emery’s first 50 games and Wenger’s last?

    Remember. Emery oversaw our worst form for 45 years. There is nothing, not a god damned thing you can say that will change that fact.

  81. Un na naai

    Scratch that…stop addressing me. You are repulsive

    Balding head is getting salty because he’s incapable of countering any of the valid points on emery’s failure.

  82. Valentin

    Receding,

    McLaren failed at Derby (twice), Newcastle and at QPR since he left FC Twente. His career as a premiership manager is over. He is still a decent coach.
    At FC Twente all the stars aligned for him. It was a club with low expectations, no big star ego to challenge him, the big clubs in that league were having problems.
    Steve McLaren is a good coach, but whenever he is put under pressure he suffers from brain freeze. Unfortunately for him, the defining image and headline of him as a football manager will always be the Wally with the Brolly. When England faced Croatia, he stood there looking at the disaster but not knowing what to do.

  83. Receding Hairline

    All the stars aligned for him Valentin?

    If you are going to call him out when he fails do give him his desired praise when he succeeds.

    Not that I care for Steve McLaren anyway, find him pretentious.

  84. MGooner

    Can Xhaka play tiki taka?

    Can Oxil put in a shift?

    Will Auba buy into this new project after we passed Carlo?

    Will the players play for Arteta or will the atmosphere become toxic again after a few games?

    Will these owners inject capital so we can buy players?

  85. Redtruth

    Valentin
    “When England faced Croatia, he stood there looking at the disaster but not knowing what to do.”

    McClaren was sandwiched in between two muppets ….Sven Göran Eriksson and Fabio Capello.

    Not to mention ‘Turnip Taylor’ and flops Venables, Hoddle,Keegen, Hodgson, Allardyce and Southgate…

  86. Guns of SF

    Im willing to give Arteta a chance … like Pedro said… everyone deserves a chance. even a chance to fail.

    I hope that does not happen but its a new opportunity for the club…
    Lets see.

    Apparently senior players are feeling not so confident of him as coach. Could be just tabloid nonsense, but Auba’s bro comments gives one thought..

  87. Guns of SF

    I hate to tell the owners this but its clear as day

    The team cannot compete with our players. No way.

    The youth players have shown more this season than the seniors first team players. No questions about that… Mentally, and on the pitch.

    You hardly see any shenanigans from them off the field either.
    Let alone pulling a xhaka or ozil on the field

  88. Gentlebris

    ‘Arteta was already in demand before he joined ManCity and worked with Pep. ‘

    Arteta was only in demand in the capacity of an assistant, not as a head coach. Joao Sacramento pulls even greater demands than Arteta in that capacity.

    The scenario now is that Spuds have an actual well established head coach plus an assistant with a great reputation leading them while we will have just an assistant with a great reputation leading us.

    What a great way to reclaim our North London dominance. These guys in charge are super geniuses. Pedro too.

  89. Gentlebris

    When you are a Spuds supporter,

    Crying on St. Totteringham’s day;

    Hoping one day Arsenal will go mad and shoot himself in the head!

    You witness a shot in the leg and St. Totteringham comes to a coma, you rejoice.

    But now Arsenal are holding the gun to their own head;

    You gasp excitedly,

    Are they gonna pull the trigger?

  90. Marc

    “Corbyn and Emery have had illustrious careers whereas the Spanish bore has no pedigree.”

    What the fuck? Corbyn was, is and will be remembered as a Marxist nut job no body who lead Labour to their worst election performance since the 1930’s.

    Red let the politics go to start trying to equate Corbyn with people in football is just plain daft.

  91. Receding Hairline

    Tad bit dramatic Gentle

    No one can say for certain how his tenure would go.

    This could be the beginning of something great. I really hope Arteta tries to be his own man,his own ideas.

    Pep lite will fail woefully

  92. Gunnernet

    I had a more experienced coach higher than Arteta in my list, aka Carlo, however, it is high time we made a bold move. It was our 1st choice before Emery comes. So it is a well studied case. Only excitement is what prevails for me at the moment

  93. Gunnernet

    Senior players like Auba, Xhaka, Ozil, Luiz and the rest feel unsafe and nervous because clearly by appointing Arteta, Arsenal make a statement about rebuilding, not winning now. So when they leave everyone thinks it was their choice, not that Arsenal show the door on them..

  94. Marko

    45 million for Graelish? Fuck no. Partey’s got a similar release clause and needed more. Or 22 million for Szobozlai as well with enough for a RB. Simply not enough value in Graelish.

  95. Marc

    Gunnernet

    I can’t see Arteta’s appointment being anything other than either a huge success and viewed as a genius move or a complete fuck up and a crazy move appointing someone who had zero management experience.

    Let’s hope it’s the first.

  96. Marko

    But now Arsenal are holding the gun to their own head;You gasp excitedly,Are they gonna pull the trigger?

    At the risk of a ban Christ you just wrote one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen on here.

  97. Marc

    Marko

    If Pedro’s going to ban you for saying that he’ll have to ban most of the posters on here. I don’t know if bris was trying to write poetry, be funny or is stark raving loony tunes.

  98. Batistuta

    The constant need to refer to Emery going on the unbeaten run because of “Wenger DNA” is quite simplistic and totally unfair on Emery, he may have failed with regards doing a better job than he did but he wasn’t extremely bad… Just a deer caught in headlights, he tried his best, failed and has now been moved on

  99. Champagne charlie

    “45 million for Graelish? Fuck no. Partey’s got a similar release clause and needed more. Or 22 million for Szobozlai as well with enough for a RB. Simply not enough value in Graelish.“

    Not an either/or scenario, it was referenced to the fact Ozil needs binning and Ceballos has a decision that needs made.

    I’d lose both and bring in Grealish. Can see your typical ‘PL proven aversion’ is quickly kicking in though, too busy playing scratch and sniff with some foreign target you can tout as the next big thing.

  100. Batistuta

    And people are allowed to be scared at the prospect of a “novice” using us as his first gig, they are allowed to have concerns on if it’s the right call, doesn’t mean they won’t back the manager but and I’m sure even Arteta knows that he’d be under more scrutiny and what a lof us would like to see would be a stark contrast from the Emery and Late Wenger era. A style of play or an attempt at one, better closing down, players not afraid to put in a tackle e.t.c.

  101. habesha gooner

    I wouldn’t mind grealish but I would hope defensive midfield and central midfield physicality would take priority. Watford are about to go down and we should absolutely get docoure in my opinion. This would be like missing out on gana gueye. we are incredibly light weight in midfield. but if arteta is anything like pep he will go for a more technical midfielder.

  102. Emiratesstroller

    RT

    You are deluded.

    Corbyn spent 35 years on back benches voting 450 x + against his own party both in government and opposition.

    His own parliamentary party voted 170 to 42 to remove him as their leader and he has jost lost an election by a country mile because he is a third rate ideological marxist politician representing values that a vast majority of electorate don’t want or respect.

    As Alan Johnson a highly respected and hard working politician said in 2016
    when interviewed by Andrew Neill he is the least trusted and most disliked politician in House of Commons.

    That is all I have to say on politics. Your viewpoint as usual on politics and football is codswallop.

  103. Gentlebris

    Marko, why don’t you stay on your own lane? I really dislike sharing issues with you know. My decision to your constant bigotries is to make conscious efforts to avoid you.

    Hope you are sane enough to respect that.

  104. Guns of SF

    my only issue with Docoure is his finishing. Seems to have a brain fart and misses some sitters.. including against us earlier in the season.

    We desperately need mids that can help score… when we search, this must be a criteria

  105. Marko

    I’d lose both and bring in Grealish. Can see your typical ‘PL proven aversion’ is quickly kicking in though, too busy playing scratch and sniff with some foreign target you can tout as the next big thing.

    So you’d lose a player who is on loan and a player who we’re likely to have to give away for nothing and replace them with a 45 million pound all the while ignoring the defence? I mean I wouldn’t but it would be so Arsenal to bring in a creative type while we need better defenders or have more than one RB in the whole squad. You’re consistent though getting into arguments about bosmans and a lack of funds while championing a 45 million purchase at CAM. Also prem proven? Really?