Raul has set wheels in motion for disaster duo (Long Read)

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Today I’m writing out of desperate concern for the future of our club. I think Arsenal are perched on a dangerous precipice. There is a Trojan horse at the gates of Highbury House, inside it lurks a super agent looking to control his biggest club yet via a managerial proxy.  The idea of Jorge Mendes installing his boy Nuno as our manager has to be squashed with brute force because outside of it being a painfully bland appointment, it comes with dire ramifications for how we are operated and run.

We cannot let this happen. It would be a mistake with grave consequences for our future.

Arsenal is an institution. A club dedicated to closely guarded values. Yes, those values have been used to defend mediocrity over the past 10 years, but forget that for a minute, we stand for something bigger than trophies and that is something you should cherish.

Whether it’s passing on Frank and Ronald De Boer because of what it said about our respect for contracts 25 years ago. Replaying a cup match with Sheffield United because of a rules infraction. Or the general standard of how the club conducts itself in the local community, we are a special club. There is an Arsenal way and it makes us proud to be fans.

Those values appear to be under attack by some in the leadership team.

Look no further than the open arms welcome to ‘contacts’ recruitment and the introduction of super-agents for evidence. Much like Unai Emery’s early subs in September 2018, we initially welcomed the shift towards a more pragmatic era, but 18 months in, with next to nothing to show for it, it’s starting to look like we’re being taken for a ride by Raul’s process for getting things done.

The last 18 months will pale in comparison if he is successful in selling us the dud vision of Nuno and Mendes running things at Arsenal. To be clear, this is not just agent talk. His name will be on the managerial shortlist the club is pulling together. Nuno might look a reasonable suggestion on paper, the one-season wonder has had some spectacular results, but as with Emery, scratch beneath the surface, and it’s clear all is not as it seems with the charismatic Portuguese.

So what’s the problem? Outside having a bland-on-toast resume that’s been heavily fortified with great wins against top 6 sides, the main issue is his super-agent kingmaker, Jorge Mendes. Every article leaked into the Arsenal ether this week has gone to great lengths to tie Raul and his friendship with Mendes to this potential deal. This is not an accident, Raul is canvassing fan opinion to see how we perceive this sort of partnership: You should be disgusted.

Mendes has a history with Arsenal. He has fucked us in the past. The biggest, and perhaps most consequential shafting was the Ronaldo move way back when. Mendes used Arsenal to earn a better deal from United. This is Wenger on the deal.

“There is always something you could have done differently, but the problem of negotiations is to know when you give in and when you don’t give in,” he added.

“Once we were at 4.5 million pounds, we were still in negotiations… so we were very close. But Man United went to 12 million pounds, which we could not afford at the time.”

Mendes was also responsible for sending Ricardo Carvalho to Chelsea when we were close. There are also numerous other deals that didn’t go our way. He is no friend of the club and there was a reason Wenger wouldn’t deal with him (no doubt it’ll be in his book).

Now let’s move onto Nuno. He was Mendes’ first-ever client in football way back when he was a reserve keeper. They have a storied history together.

Fast forward to Spain in 2014.

When creditor, Bankia, were trying to find a buyer for the beleaguered Spanish club Valencia, Asian billionaire Peter Lim brokered a deal for 70% ownership, his one stipulation? Nuno had to be put in charge of the team. The deal went through, the popular Pizzi was sacked, Nuno was given the managerial role. Who brought Peter Lim to the table? Jorge Mendes.

Things went as you’d expect, this from Sport 360.

‘And since Lim’s arrival was confirmed, the club has signed an unsurprisingly high number of players who are managed by or have close links with Mendes, including Joao Cancelo, Zakaria Bakkali, Danilo and Enzo Perez, creating suspicions that they owe their chief loyalties to the agent rather than the club, and that they will only stay until Mendes decides it is time to sell them.’

Things went deeper though, Mendes made real jobs redundant because he was the king. His roster of players was all that mattered.

‘Conversely, fan favourite Nicolas Otamendi was sold to Manchester City, with the deal facilitated by his agent – Mendes, of course. For many fans the most troubling aspect of the summer, however, was neither the club’s failure to significantly invest in players nor the Mendes links with those who did arrive. It was a political battle between Nuno and three of the club’s key backroom staff: president Amadeo Salvo, sporting director Francisco Rufete and scout Roberto Fabian Ayala, who felt marginalised by the powerful influence of Mendes and threatened to leave unless the situation was rectified.’

‘Nuno stood his ground, Lim backed him, and Salvo, Rufete and Ayala all departed – with the startling fact that chief scout Ayala was not even replaced speaking volumes for the club’s current recruitment policy, which appears to be based upon little more than shuffling around Mendes’ personal portfolio.’

Nuno was eventually fired despite returning Valencia to the Champions League, fans were disgusted at the power grip he and Mendes had on the club. By December 2015, Peter Lim had spent €200 million on players (lots of dross), many of whom were represented by Mendes. What did Nuno have to say about it?

“A short time ago I heard that it was a privilege to be able to work with the best agent in the world,”

“I don’t know why this has changed. He remains the best agent in the world. He has helped Valencia a lot.

“The players he has brought, I believe they will soon be the best in the world. You must recognise his work. The squad planning was what we believed was the best. I believe we were right in all the individual judgements. There is a young squad with a lot of potential, the youngest in La Liga. This project will have success for sure.”

Completely oblivious to the real reasons the fans turned on him, Nuno echoed an excuse reminiscent of what Emery said in yesterday’s press conference.

“The players believe they can give more, they must. But they need to be supported, to feel people are with them, that the fans understand their youth, that they are with them in every game, so their quality can come through.

“I had become the problem, because the fans were not supporting us, but had turned on me. Now I ask them to support the players, because they have the quality they have shown before.”

Valencia finished 12th the next two seasons.

Fast forward to 2016. Xi Jinping, the top boy over at China mainland, is a huge Premier League fan. He encouraged investment from his big shot entrepreneurs in the beautiful game. Fosun, a Chinese investment conglomerate, went out and picked up Wolves for £46m. Who was there to broker the deal? Jorge Mendes. He is the go-to broker for Asian billionaires looking to move into European football.

To make matters more complicated, Fosun’s owner has another firm called Shanghai Foyo that reportedly owns a 20% stake in Jorge’s agency, Gestifute. This from Wolves in 2018.

“Fosun have a percentage stake in the Gestifute company headed up by Jorge Mendes,”

Leeds Chairman, Radrizzani, was livid at the complicated relationship Mendes had with the club, obviously fearing conflicts of interest could arise.

“Not legal and fair to let one team owned by a fund who has shares in the biggest players’ agency with evident benefits (top European clubs giving players with options to buy) … why the other 23 teams can’t have the same treatment?”

It’s too boring for me to get into the details of every single player Wolves have signed or moved out of the club, but do the research yourself. Read commentary on Neto and Jordao.

It was swift, it was sudden, and it came as if from nowhere. Wolves, on Friday, with minimal warning until less than 24 horus beforehand, announced the signing of Portuguese duo Pedro Neto and Bruno Jordao from Italian outfit Lazio – for a combined fee of £18million.

Significant money for two players who were largely unheard of outside of Portugal and Italy, and two players who between them had barely racked up 100 minutes of senior football. From the outside, it looks like a confusing piece of business, perhaps even a rip off if you will, and a sign of the market spiralling completely out of control.

Read the Italian press write about the money Lazio spent to NOT play the two mentioned above. Read this 2018 article that cites 13 players as linked to Mendes that moved to Wolves. Or this Sun puff pieces that basically reckons UEFA would be killjoys if they let rules get in the way of a very strange setup. Remember Bebe? Mendes.

So now for Arsenal.

We’ve already had our fingers burned by the Kia deal for Luiz, I was told all in, that deal will have set us back £40m. We should have been looking at players with a high ceiling on the up, not a busted flush from Chelsea. Everyone is fully aware that we went above and beyond on Pepe with fees so steep, Napoli pulled out.

We also signed Unai Emery out of the blue and did the deal in 8 days. Without going over all the things that were clearly wrong with that hire, one huge miss stood out… Emery couldn’t speak English to Sven or Ivan G who interviewed him, yet we still signed him. How was that bulldozed through? No one at Arsenal asked if being able to speak the language was an issue? Very odd.

Anyway, it happened, we’re 18 months on, and who is being linked? Emery with a beard. A man with a very uninspiring resume, with very, very, very deep ties to a super agent that comes as part of his package whether you like it or not.

Signing Nuno is not about his talent as a manager, it’s about what it’ll cost the club in terms of a future. His introduction will make Edu an irrelevance, same for the scouts and the analysts (just like at Valencia)… because Jorge Mendes will become our Technical Director, Chief Scout, and Club Strategist. Why would Raul invite such a force into the club?

This move will create a lack of trust in the system. If you’re upset about the lack of transparency at Arsenal since Stan took us private, my word, you’re in for a treat if Raul gets his way with this manager. On the technical side, this move will rupture the already diminished culture at the club because our approach will shift from data and intelligence, to whatever works best for the fees.

To use Josh Kroenke’s words, it would not leave the fans proud. The Nuno suggestion is an assault on everything we believe about the club we love. It should not and cannot happen. If it does, you’ll know what Raul is all about, and you’ll know where it’s going to end… a financial/football disaster we’ll be lumped with for the next decade.

This sort of carry-on does make me wonder if Sir Chips’ fight to have Arsenal people on the board is about more than hurt feelings. Perhaps Raul’s ideas are alarming the sleepy old men? The same folk that were content with average football for 10 years might not be happy to see the club taking an unsavory path toward opaqueness. One can only hope.

I think it’s very telling that top journalists are being briefed very specifically that Raul is the one responsible for Unai’s continued tenure, as well as being the one that went off-shortlist to make the horrendous recommendation to hire him in the first place, that tells you he has enemies internally because those stories are an attack on his leadership, judgment, and credibility.

My hope is that the good people at the club are aware of the motives behind this managerial suggestion. Josh Kroenke needs to get off his Instagram and start speaking to the folk at the training ground with real football knowledge before he’s hoodwinked into another Raul shambles. Nuno is a Trojan horse that must be burned to the ground before people start entertaining the idea that the horse would look ace on The Emirates concourse. Arsenal are not Valencia. We are not Wolves. If Manchester City are valued at nearly £5b, then so are Arsenal. Nuno isn’t Arsenal levels to start with, factor in his baggage, and I wouldn’t even give him the courtesy of an interview. The absolute last thing we need to be doing is giving Jorge Mendes a parking spot next to the power at Arsenal FC. We are better than that.

My hope for this article? Firstly, you see the danger here. Secondly, that fans steer clear of falling in love with the Nuno idea, see it for what it is, bitch about it online, and share this story with anyone that thinks otherwise. This move is an attack on your club, it would fail miserably, and it must be dismissed with the same vigor we used to swat away the Jose stories.

See you in the comments, but not before you’ve gone onto Twitter to complain about this Nuno nonsense. #NuNoFuckingWAY

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Left testicle

Any values we had have long gone. Why do we think we have better values than any other club?

Batistuta

It’s because we’re based in London and boo our captains off the pitch, keep up Left testicle

Alex Cutter

“Or the general standard of how the club conducts itself in the local community, we are a special club.”

By not paying stadium workers a living wage?

Champagne charlie

China You are aware it’s possible to look unfavourably about our recent years, as they relate to Arsenal values, and a potential Nuno/Mendes future right? You’re talking like Pedro is harping on about maintaining the error-strewn status quo of recent times when he patently isn’t. He’s aired on more than one occasion how a bogus claim of values had been used to account for poor direction and management. Now he’s suggesting getting into bed with Mendes is a new sort of disruption that goes against the actual values of the club. Seems pretty clear to me, Pedro doesn’t want us… Read more »

Wengaball

Pedro – mostly agree with what you are saying. But not sure if we still have values. Maybe had, but not sure of the present. Values cannot he held by dead brick mortar and glass walls. Or plastic chairs on stadium steps. They have to be held by people. Especially those who make decisions. So who are people in the current set up who hold these values dear? One of the corest of core values of AFC should be to always, always play good, attacking football. Even more than winning. Because winning is not directly on your control. It is… Read more »

Receding Hairline

There will be an Emery out protest in the stands tonight i am reading on twitter

Values indeed

James wood

I think our values are weakened by the fact we are pretty impotent
as to what we can do about events at the club.

Jim Lahey

@Pedro –

Yeah I fear all roads lead to Munich for him.

I feel like we are in an incredibly awkward position at the moment, there is no way we can continue with Emery, but there just doesn’t seem to be ideal replacement floating around at the moment.

Uncertain times ahead.

Gentlebris

I think unless Arsenal actually win the league or the CL in a not too distant future, the Kroenkes would get the sack. And with clubs like Liverpool, Citey, Chelsea and ManU around, it would be some serious mountain climbing to win the league forget a minute the CL. For years the Arsenal crowd didn’t really wake up to the fact that it’s not such an ugly thing to forcefully demand a change, and because of this, the Kroenkes hid behind Wenger’s skirts and served out top class mediocrity for a long period of time. What they didn’t realize was… Read more »

Left testicle

I don’t have a problem with booing the captain when he’s casually strolling off when we need 3 points.

Gentlebris

‘China, you may not have values, and that’s fine. But let’s not start pushing around the idea that Arsenal aren’t a special club so you can jam a grim vision of how we should be run down our throats.’

Guv is really angry now it seems. May we should just accept that we have BALUES!

Good EBENING.

James wood

The only time I boo.
Is when the Mother in Law buys me socks again for XMas..?

N o Boos are Ok.😎

Left testicle

My mother-in-law has come round to our house at Christmas seven years running. This year we’re having a change. We’re going to let her in.

Left testicle

– Les Dawson

Guns of Hackney

Have Arsenal folded yet?

Marc

“I don’t have a problem with booing the captain when he’s casually strolling off when we need 3 points.”

If he’d have been moving with that much urgency it would’ve been an improvement.

Chris

I find it sad there is a planned protest against Emery tonight. The bloke is clearly on his way out soon enough anyway.

All this does is makes us look like Chelsea, can we expect handwritten a4 paper demanding the new manager leaves on his first game in the years to come if they don’t like him? Perhaps it is just symptomatic of the modern, AFTV type of fan.

Marc

“No league tittle in 5 years, the Kroenkes will be fired(difficult and messy but trust me it can be done). ”

The Kroenke’s cannot be fired they own and club outright and can pretty much do what they want with it. If they chose to have every match played in an empty stadium they could. Talk of protests to get them to sell? Worked really well for the ManU fans didn’t it.

Cesc Appeal

I’m afraid the current state of the fan base is to do with a growing feeling of total frustration in the last 3 or 4 years of Wenger’s reign.

The patronising comments of Hill-Wood, the indifference of Kroenke, the fact that the club seemed to have no football goals.

All the fan base’s patience is gone.

It will take a good season or two of good results and steps forward before the fan base settles again.

Guns of Hackney

Chris sums up everything wrong with Arsenal.

Comes across as loyal but actually just scared of progression.

Emery is a clown and should never have got the job, let alone have it for 16 months!

We’re not a charity.

Guns of Hackney

Maybe arsenal need a dose of relegation to set them back on the right track after years of arrogance.

Banter FC.

Graham62

Ok CC, so what are these values?

You say we must “maintain and develop” our values

I’m intrigued.

Welcome back by the way.

CG

China if you aint careful- you will metamorphosise into full blown Graham.

Sour.

I have not the foggiest – why Wenger makes you so bitter.

(The best manager we have ever had and will ever get.)

Over 1/4 of billion spent and over 11 players signed since he signed off with a romping 5 nil home victory over Burnley.

A new ‘modern’ structure allegedly set up and we have not got actually worse- we have actually self imploded.

Go and read a Herbert Chapman book- and see if values ain’t important.

Graham62

Pedro

I implore you to do a post on our “club values” and what they are.

Wasn’t one of your main reasons in setting up this blog in 2007 based on your growing disconnection with the club and your frustrations at how things were being run?

jwl

Someone pissed on China1 cornflakes this morning, he’s in a mood. Arsenal do have values but they been used and abused by Wenger for past decade so gooners are a bit cynical. Way back when, I lived in Portsmouth for eighteen months and my neighbours had ten year old boy dying of leukemia. The kid was Pompey supporter like the rest of his family but TH14 was his hero. Mom contacted Arsenal and they sent a limo to kid’s home to take him to Highbury for a match and to meet his hero. I always thought that was Arsenal values,… Read more »

Marc

Arseblog – now there’s a real blog!

Dream10

Brighton re-signing Graham Potter till 2025. Excellent move. Arsenal, Watford West Ham and Everton all looking for a new manager. Maximum compensation will be received in case he wants to leave.

Words on a Blog

I dunno, maybe it’s me and my fundamental lack of morality, but all the talk about values and Arsenal leaves me feeling pretty disinterested. Above,all, I want a manager who will make Arsenal play a brand of attractive, organised football. Wolves play a distinctive brand of attractive, organised football, even if it is more counterattacking than possession-based. Nuno (with amongst other things the help of a substantial investment and the machinations of Mendes) has got them there. The Wolves fans seem pretty happy, even if there is a rapacious amoral core at the heart of their club. As an Arsenal… Read more »

jwl

I was glad to find Le Grove when I did, Arseblog made me crazy because the first half of every post was “oink”, “boink”, did I ever drink a lot last night and then something about his dog. Le Grove was first, and only, blog that focused on problems with Wenger which is all I cared about.

Rich robbins

Whether we agree or disagree, the club has been rudderless for sometime. Values? Yes Arsene had values, but pride and short sightedness skewed his vision. Bringing in Arteta or even Patrick Viera, whether best or not…..?? At least ties threads of continuity to REBUILD VALUES. those running this team now, seem short termers…..with no strategic plan. At the end of the day, how does ownership not feel what the fans are feeling and come clean, owning up for the need to change leadership and structure before it’s toooooo late.

James wood

Of course we have massive values.
Trouble being you need to have tasted them at close quarters.
Our overseas once visited the ground supporters would not
understand this.?

China1

Lol if you think I don’t have values Actually my gripe is not with values it’s with how for the last 10 years we’ve not valued the fans. Charity and community gigs are done by all serious clubs and companies. Arsenal aren’t the first… I would be truly proud of our values if they were actually next level. I’d the club said look we will save enough cash in the bank to be self sustaining but our primary objective is bigger than football so we’re dedicating 50% of our available transfer budget each window from now on to xyz Charity… Read more »

China1

James I’ve been to high yet and the ems loads of times before coming to China and didn’t see us doing special things other clubs don’t also do.
M

China1

If arteta was managed by mendes Pedro would be changing the conversation because it would be different and acceptable for mikel. Absolutely nailed on

Just Another Customer

tbh what this super agents stuff is pretty much immoral where clubs are just feeders fully exploited by certain few people with the ‘contacts’

say goodbye to homegrown heroes say hello to literal mercenaries

Graham62

Pedro

Fair enough but wasn’t one of your le-grove rules based on “we don’t subscribe to the Arsene knows camp”.

This Implies that you and Geoff wanted to set up a blog for supporters who, even back then, wanted change.

By the way this is head and shoulders the best Arsenal blog site.

Graham62

China1

So so true.

Well said.

Just Another Customer

Agree with Rich robbins there with bridging and rebuilding the values again ON THE FIELD by hiring those who know the club inside out.

Only then the fans can truly say they have their Arsenal back.

Cesc Appeal

United may be changing manager soon.

We need to make a decision.

Marc

I know Pedro puts a lot of time and effort into the blog and everyone appreciates what he does but in a couple of days when there’s other names being banded about all the talk today of values, super agents and whatever will be forgotten.

This is why I haven’t gone into panic mode.

Marc

Cesc

I think the Poch will go to ManU and won’t come to us so I wouldn’t worry to much about what ManU do beyond results.

James wood

So what are you actually saying China we have the same values as everyone
else or different values ,to yours I’m lost
All sounds a bit Fortune Cookies to me.😏.
Anyway glad you have had pleasure of both grounds so you must have
more empathy and feel for the club than some.

China1

And yeah cesc the recent fan anger is surely a culmination of the decade of neglect and disappointment with how the club has handled itself both on and off the field

You can’t underperform at something for 10 years and then when people get fucked off about it be like why u mad bro???

Gentlebris

‘The Kroenke’s cannot be fired they own and club outright and can pretty much do what they want with it. If they chose to have every match played in an empty stadium they could. Talk of protests to get them to sell? Worked really well for the ManU fans didn’t it.’ You are talking from your beer brain, mate. If 98% of online and game going Arsenal fans determine to fire the Kroenkes today, it would only take 3 to 4 months. The key word here is ‘ determine’. If the heat is really turned on at a very messy… Read more »

China1

Janes it’s simple. We have basically bog standard values for any sizeable football club or corporation. My company rewards us with additional annual leave for helping out the local blind kids etc. Arsenal and fans going on about our special values is just a case of ‘legends in our own minds’ and the agent stuff is small fry when we don’t even respect our own fans I don’t endorse us making bad footballing decisions for small fry ‘values’ like this agent nonsense. If the club actually went next level about values and was doing poorly on the pitch because it’s… Read more »

Gentlebris

‘By the way this is head and shoulders the best Arsenal blog site.’

Do the other clubs even have something as vibrant as this? I haven’t stumbled on any yet.

China1

Stan can be removed but only by a big drop in revenue

Gentlebris

‘United may be changing manager soon.’

No.

United are following Ole’s vision very keenly. They are going to invest very powerfully in the next two TWs to back OGS and give him the opportunity to play with his own players, only if he then fails would the discussion comes back to a coach. For now players who can turn things around are the discussion and focus over there.

Distant legrover

Arsenal values went out the window when Kroenke became full owner. You can argue Wenger took whatever was left with him as well.

Cesc Appeal

Marc

That would be a great move for United.

China1

Yeah the fans have no patience for anything and it is quite understandable. For years we were made to feel like this was Wenger’s plaything that we were allowed to look at and pay for bu never touch or comment on.

Cyclical failures didn’t change that.

The level of frustration will be unlike any other football club.

This is why I find the whole ‘values’ thing difficult. It’s a subjective concept that is used as a unquantifiable thing to justify your position or hide mediocrity.

Gentlebris

‘Stan can be removed but only by a big drop in revenue’

Stan will be gone if the fans go after him and his kid internationally. He will sell for good money and forget all about. He has no reason to treasure Arsenal beyond that point.

Pierre

Jwl
“. Le Grove was first, and only, blog that focused on problems with Wenger which is all I cared about.”

I suppose that qualifies you as an obsessive.

Gentlebris

*come back

Distant legrover

Gentlebris

There’s no way 98% fans can’t ever get together to do anything so that’s fantasy. Knicks fans have been calling for the head of the Dolan family for years and yet they remain the owner. Manchester United and Newcastle are other examples.

For now the Kroenkes remain the owner and that’s the real problem.

Chris

Guns Nah, I am loyal but by no means scared of progression at all. You just have to wonder how we are perceived by potential future coaches or indeed players sometimes. The same as when Wenger’s time was up, but an airplane was flown over with a banner by the AFTV like folk, extremely distasteful. If we are speaking of values of the club, what are they exactly? In Wenger’s case I think the club paid attention to results obviously in the end, but also the rows and rows of empty seats (Man City at home when they did us… Read more »

Pierre

WOB
“Above,all, I want a manager who will make Arsenal play a brand of attractive, organised football.”

Ditto….and successful.

Graham62

Pierre

You do realise you are in the minority on here.

Always have been, always will be.

Spanishdave

A lot of heat today Pedro has stirred the nest. As we all know our shareholders sold their shares to an American for huge profits. They knew that they were selling to a corporation who wanted Arsenal as an asset as the football world became a money spinner worldwide. They had no values selling to the Kroenkes just greed. This is now destroying the club, they have torn the heart out of the club ,and filled it with dross. America is a cash driven society , nothing is made to last it’s all about profit at any cost. It’s happening… Read more »

CG

Arsenal are such a complete mess at the moment, I am buying the old manager and the new manager to lose this Ebening.

Destined and Fitting.

Pierre

Chris
” I wonder if there will be more than 40,000 there tonight.”

20/25 thousand max I reckon .

Gentlebris

‘There’s no way 98% fans can’t ever get together to do anything so that’s fantasy. Knicks fans have been calling for the head of the Dolan family for years and yet they remain the owner. Manchester United and Newcastle are other examples.’

DL,

I hope you will agree with me that those scenarios are far less aggravating than the Arsenal scenario.

Yes maybe 98% of fans will never really totally unite to kick Kronke out but if we did, Kroenke would bow to the pressure. I insist he has no reason not to.

NEEG

If Man U change managers they will go for Rodgers. Sir Red Nose has been an admirer for a long time. We will never have Allegri all the time Raul is the kingmaker. In the last round Raul was humiliated by Max who laughed it off – he has sauce by the bucket load.

Graham62

How many Frankfurt fans will be at the game?

I’ll be surprised if there’s more than 35000 Arsenal fans turning up.

Maybe less.

Gentlebris

‘PierreYou do realise you are in the minority on here.’

Graham, you do realize Pierre would be crowned a king at Untold😃😃😃😃

Graham62

Pierre

You could be right.

Emery’s demand for fans to turn up and get behind the team may make this a record low attendance.

Let’s see.

Marc

Graham

Frankfurt have a ban on their supporters attending so the only ones who will get in are those who manage to get tickets off of Arsenal fans etc.

Just Another Customer

lowest attendance ever confirmed then?

what a way to go out

not with a bang but a whimper

Graham62

Spanishdave

Now wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing.

” an owner who is a real supporter”

Pierre

Graham
“‘Pierre
You do realise you are in the minority on here.’”

I was in the minority when I told you all that we had hired a dud 15/16 months ago.

I’m not the minority now am I.

I was in the minority when I told you all that Ozil will outlast Emery.

I’m not the minority now am I

Bob N16

Arsenal will always be special to me, far too much emotional investment for far too many years to be otherwise. Sorry to hear so many posters seemingly losing heart, however they are on here so…. I’m going along tonight hoping to watch some of the youngsters perform, to provide hope for the future. As always am looking forward to meeting up with mates and casual acquaintances. If there is something to cheer great, if not we can just count the people in the crowd! With no away supporters they reckon it’ll be the smallest crowd ever, weather’s shit too. There’s… Read more »

Graham62

Marc

Yeh, just been watching Sky Sports News.

There seems to be a few thousand Frankfurt fans cordoned off outside the ground, without tickets.

Marc

Bob

There were some “Fuck off Emery” chants at the weekend. I think it’s something we’ll continue to see until he goes – irrespective of results.

Pierre

Just another customer
“lowest attendance ever confirmed then?”

I doubt it …we had 4,500 v leeds in 1966 at highbury

Left Testicle

Why so confident Emery is getting the boot?

Marc

Pierre

Jesus what competition was that in?

Marc

Graham

I can’t remember where I heard it but I did hear that the club had put in measures to stop a repeat of the Cologne match the other season.

Ishola70

Let’s have a re-cap on when class and values became a “thing” with fans. There used to be no talk of class and values pre-Wenger. There used to be no talk of class and values when Wenger was winning the big trophies. The time when class and values became a “thing” with fans was when the team were seen as failing compared to previous and Wenger was the cheerleader of it. It became a consolation to fall back on. We may not win the big titles any more but we have the values and class. So there is no question… Read more »

Bob N16

Marc, I was there too and there were plenty of ‘Emery out’ ‘sacked in the morning’ chants towards the end.

I’ll try and start a ‘Raul sort it out’ chant.

Pierre

Marc
League game.

If I remember rightly , there was a live match on the tv that night ,liverpool I think in Europe.

It was a time when matches weren’t shown live on the box..must have been a final

Bob N16

Any suggestions for catchy chants, I promise I’ll give it a go.

MartinellisHead

China ‘ I would be truly proud of our values if they were actually next level. I’d the club said look we will save enough cash in the bank to be self sustaining but our primary objective is bigger than football so we’re dedicating 50% of our available transfer budget each window from now on to xyz Charity I would be like wow if we couldn’t afford pepe because we’d committed 20m of our initial 40m budget to feeding starving kids in Africa. That would be incredible and I would totally back that’ Is this a serious comment? It can’t… Read more »

Graham62

Yes, we are all in the same boat now but that doesn’t detract from the fact that whether Emery succeeded or failed, your philosophies and mindset was always geared to protecting and honouring your messiah, even though he was a thorn in our side for so many years.

You are in the minority though with your perceptions on Ozil, irrespective of your wish for him to outlast Emery. The fact of the matter is that he should have gone before Wenger left the building.

Ouch, GX is playing.

MartinellisHead

Ishola

‘ There used to be no talk of class and values pre-Wenger.’

This shows how little you know about the arsenal and it’s history.

Arsenal have always had class and were regarded throughout football as doing things differently with a touch of class.

You’re so wrong it’s funny. Wenger just carried on the and bought in the class and traditions of the club.

Wouldn’t expect some foreign fan from the arse end of nowhere to have any sort of clue what I’m talking about though just bring it back to wenger eh?

gazzap

I didn’t want Nuno before reading this and I don’t want him now! I’ve said for a little while. Sack emery asap, use Freddie as caretaker and do not rush a permanent manager decision right now. Wait til May if necessary. The season is fucked anyway. More options will present themselves by May.

Marc

Bob

I’d go with a series of chants along the lines of “we love super agents” and “you can’t run a club without a super agent picking all your players”.

They won’t be easy to get going but if you succeed there’s a good chance Pedro will be sectioned!

CG

The Canaries of Norwich City will love the team line up tonight.

The Clown to do go down and out in The Loosers…

Just Another Customer

shots fired I repeat shots fired ahaha

Marc

gazzap

Ljungberg doesn’t have a pro licence and apparently could only be in charge for 12 weeks.

If we do go down the route of a temp manager we’d need another option.

gazzap

I never liked the 3-4-3 in any situation. 3 at the back is negative and boring. But the balance up front and midfield might just be better than usual.

Ishola70

Martinelli’s head This wasn’t what was said but you run in predictably like the raging bull. What was said is that there was virtually no talk among Arsenal fans themselves of the club having certain values and class nowhere in comparison to when Wenger was at the club. What wasn’t said was that Arsenal FC had no class or values before Wenger. Don’t mix the two up please As said before the talk we see among fans today of class and values is clearly an Arsene Wenger invention at Arsenal. He promoted it. He pushed it. And he did this… Read more »

Nelson

Arsenal confirmed XI: Martinez; Mustafi, Luiz, Sokratis; Chambers, Xhaka, Willock, Tierney; Martinelli, Aubameyang, Saka
Subs: Leno, Guendouzi, Torreira, Ozil, Nelson, Pepe, Lacazette

Graham62

This class and values bs drives me mad.

At Highbury we had the marble halls and the heated underfloor changing rooms.

We had the classy shirts and that badge, which is still imo, the greatest emblem in world football.

Over the last 13 years all we’ve had is greed and a disrespectful and patronising attitude towards fans.

No transparency, no accountability, no appropriate actions to genuinely progress the club.

There have been no values adhered to since our move to the Emirates in 2006.

Unfortunately, they died a death when we left Highbury.

Nelson

Finally, Emery plays two wingers and one striker. He may be saving Pepe and Ozil for EPL games.

Graham62

MisH

You are correct.

Values and class existed long before Wenger.

What I’m saying is that once we moved away from Highbury, it all died a death.

Pierre

Bob
“Any suggestions for catchy chants, I promise I’ll give it a go.”

To the tune of ” we wish you a merry Christmas ”

We wish Emery would leave us
We wish Emery would leave us
We wish Emery would leave us

Just f*ck off right now.

Marc

Pierre

I think you’re going to find that’s one Christmas present Santa will bring you.