Arsenal leak suggests execs want Emery to stay

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Come on everyone, be strong, not long to go, just one more week of relentless boredom over the international week, then we can return to politics. I’m kind of hoping that Jezza Corbyn will continue his epic ‘TAKE IT BACK’ campaign to The Arsenal. Take the club out of foreign ownership and fund it using the power of the nation! Free tickets for everyone. A beautiful vision of the game.

I’d vote for that.

The Mirror is reporting that Unai Emery has been given 4 easy games to save his job. The club are trying to make things as simple as possible for the manager to stay in place until the end of the season. I think more and more folk are convinced he’s on a 2-year deal, which runs counter to David Ornstein’s info, but would make a lot of sense considering we have a contracts man as dastardly as Huss Fahmy overseeing things. That technically makes it cheaper to keep him, but if he misses top 4, the math doesn’t look sexy.

The laughable part about the whole leak, which probably didn’t come from Raul or Edu, is the club don’t think sacking Emery will change things.

That my friends, has been the crux of my confusing point over the past few weeks. Emery is bad. Really bad. But binning him off isn’t the only solve. My bigger worry is that Edu has been here for quite a bit now and the feeling still remains that we’re in trouble regardless of what we do with the manager. That says we’ve not moved the needle on infrastructure, because well-run clubs can survive an Emery (look at Leicester).

What happened to Raul’s beautiful vision he shared this summer? Perhaps we gave too much of it over to bad decision makers. If the head of the fish is rotten, you know the rest. To still be at the start of a transition 18 months after Arsene Wenger left is quite something, especially when you consider the football upgrade was well underway before he was binned.

I’m not down with the doom and gloom though. I know that there are lots of problems at the club and they go beyond the man in the dugout. But a lot can be done with a galvanising figure running the show.

Firstly, a better communicator can sooth the fans and give them a realistic overview of what’s going on. The next manager has to be a statement about the next 3 years, not a hopeful gamble on the next 5 months.

Secondly, a better coach with clearer intentions will help the team immeasurably. Do we have the perfect squad? No. Has anyone ever stated that we do? No. Coaching goes an awful long way in football, and it’s clear we’ve not been getting our share of it. Whatever you think about our expensively assembled squad, the reality is it finished 2 points off 3rd last season, then we spent a fortune in the summer to upgrade it (and added some tasty young kids to the options list). We need a coach that can work with the talent he has and create an offering that is more than the sum of its parts. Nagelsmann did a brilliant job of that when he was at Hoffenheim. Potter built a mini Patriots when he was at Ostersunds, focusing heavily on rehabbing ‘finished’ players into a positive culture, massively out-batting his average. Marco Rose instilled his 11 principles into Salzburg and had them flying high in the Europa League and smashing an invincible season. Arsenal’s players look so bad at the moment because they have a drab manager that doesn’t know how to get the most out of them. We’re Leicester last season (and the season before that).

Thirdly, OUR biggest weakness, Granit Xhaka, is trying to exit the club. This is such a magical gift. So beautiful and pretty. If the club can kick into gear and find a replacement for him in January, it could restart our flagging season. We can target a mobile defensive-minded midfielder that wants to play with discipline. I know it’s a tough ask, but we managed to find a 25 goal a season striker 2 years ago with little problem and there might be clubs willing to sell after the first batch of teams exit the Champions League.

Arsenal is in a mess of its own making, but that should never be an excuse for inaction. Businesses make mistakes all the time, the key to fixing them is to generally own up to what you did, assess what the core issue was, then rectify it fast and hope no one notices. Throwing your hands up in the press and saying, ‘we’re fucked whatever we do’ is embarrassingly defeatist.

I think one of the biggest misses with Emery centres around his inability to create a culture. That problem stems from a lack of vision. If players don’t have anything to believe in, why would they adhere to a set of behaviours or actions that support the cause? That’s why we have a captain that still thinks his reaction to the fans was cool. That’s why we have players liking salty posts on Instagram. That’s why half efforts on the pitch aren’t nipped in the bud.

Find a manager that can focus the players around an exciting vision, then build a culture that supports it. How hard can it be to find a manager that can deliver on such a basic requirement of the job?

That’s why I’d support finding that manager in January. Get the grim December out of the way, put the feelers our for a manager with a vision and a plan, then when the tough games are done, see what they can do over the next 5 months. At worst, the groundwork for next season can be laid, at best, maybe the players make a run for top 4.

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  1. Tee

    Good write-up.

    I don’t believe Emery can smash all four of these so called easy games.

    Don’t be surprised if and when we start to struggle against them.

  2. Marc

    ” I think more and more folk are convinced he’s on a 2-year deal”

    The rumours seem to switch between a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd or a 3 year deal with a break period after 2.

    Very much 6 of one half a dozen of the other. I was under the impression that it was pretty standard practice now to put a clause into managerial contracts that limited a pay out. With that in mind I can’t see any reluctance to sack Emery being down to having to pay him off.

    Fuck knows what’s going on or what’s going to happen.

  3. Marc

    Tee

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see us draw a couple of them and losing to West Ham is a possibility that wouldn’t be a huge surprised either.

  4. Unai

    I think too much is being made about the off field activities, reality is, if we were performing on the pitch we would feel a lot better about the state of the club.

    You only need to look at what Lampard is doing, in what was supposed to be a transition year for Chelsea to know we need to find a positive, charismatic manager to galvanise the players, club and fans.

    Emery needs to go.

  5. Marc

    Unai

    Agree – when things aren’t right on the pitch everyone then blows other issues out of proportion.

    It’s critical that we get the next appointment right.

  6. Un na naai

    We were at the start of a transition since we left Highbury

    Should have just stayed put

    Chelsea have got by with a 40,000 seaters stadium just fine
    We sold our soul for a corporate office block with a football pitch in the middle of it

  7. Marc

    Un

    “Chelsea have got by with a 40,000 seaters stadium just fine”

    That’s not quite true is it? They got by with a 40,000 stadium and a billionaire sugar daddy who threw hundreds of millions into the team. I’d also remind you that they were planning to redevelop Stamford Bridge until Abramovich was effectively booted out of the country.

  8. Unai

    Un, helps that Chelsea have benefitted from investment.

    We would have really struggled at Highbury with the self sustaining model.

    On that note, I’d still like our owner to put some money up to speed this current situation along but alas, it ain’t gonna happen.

  9. Marc

    Can you imagine the reaction of some on here if we’d stayed at Highbury and then the Spud’s had built a new stadium?

    We’d be hearing how Levy’s a visionary yada yada and we’re going no where.

  10. Marc

    James

    Look at how much money we’ve spent and wasted over the last few seasons.

    There was a period of austerity but in recent years we’ve spent plenty to be doing a hell of a lot better than we are.

  11. James wood

    Marc I represented by my Son who’s a season ticket holder.
    I was so Arsenal if we where away I support our Combination
    Metropolitan and SE counties team when I first started to support the team
    and my dad before.
    The Nort Bank made more noise than the whole of the Emirates put together.
    Been there done it I’m afraid 😂

  12. David Smith

    Emery might well screw up some of the next four games, but this board will still find an excuse to keep him to the end of the season, and even beyond if Ornstein is right about 3 years.
    Basically, they are willing to lose some of our best players to stick by a crap manager and for a few of them to save face ,if they keep emery until the summer or beyond.
    Wonder who that leak was from, perhaps an old school board member passed off with Raul?

  13. Upstate Gooner

    Before hosting Man City we have Soton, Norwich, and Brighton in the league. What exactly will it take for Emery to save his job? 9 points? 6? Because I can see us winning one, drawing one, and losing one. That’s 4 points which frankly is nowhere near good enough against these sides but knowing Arsenal and our board I guarantee you they’ll spin it around and make it look like a success, especially if we manage a couple of decent results in Europa League in between. I have a feeling that no matter how bad we perform in the next few weeks, we’re stuck with Emery until the end of the season. Shame,really.

  14. Un na naai

    Marc

    Bollocks

    We gave up on competing so we could have the stadium. Had we not spent that money our team would have been far more competitive. We wouldn’t have HAD to undersell Cole and Henry and Cesc

    Worst move we ever made was that shitty stadium. It’s a soulless ugly shit hole. We even named it the emirates. A crass sellout name if ever I’ve heard one to crass oil rich arabs. 🤢
    I refuse to call it the emirates. It’s Ashburton Grove as it should have been called. Or New Highbury or any fucking thing but the Emirates. It typifies what we became the day we upped sticks

  15. Un na naai

    Em-ery at the Em-irates.

    This was always 100% our guy to take us into the new era. He a shit fraud manager and goes hand in hand with the shit fraud of a stadium we have.
    🤮

  16. Un na naai

    We could compete financially with anyone we were told.
    60,000 seats. We could buy anyone
    What fucking bollocks. New tv revenue money, 2 x new sponsorship deals and they are telling us we have no money next summer
    We did it all this year on a 4th rate gaffer from mid league Spain??

    Yeah. That’s financially competing with anybody alright. Move over Madrid, hush your gums Manchester, wevegot a 60,000 seater stadium, filled with wankers and a shit manager.

    Should have stayed at Highbury.

  17. Un na naai

    Oh and you think we didn’t sell out? To the emirates? To the Kroenkes? We fucking sold out all right. Only to the wrong sorts as hill wood said.
    We had usmanov and that Nigerian billionaire guy desperate to get in on the act at arsenal but no no. We have morals. We will sell to an American billionaire. This guy’s business ethics are impeccable. This is what’s best for arsenal

    Except we’ve gone from 1-6th and probably lower now since 04-05

  18. vegas gooner

    if true our board wants to keep emery, then they’re quite likely are going to see a drop in investments from outside. nobody wants to be involved in a team that doesn’t win or plays boring football. they want to be associated with a culture of winning, seeing new supporters and old buying their arsenal branded products. if we continue with emery and this short-sighted board I can see our shirt sponsor being Bet365 in two seasons.

  19. Un na naai

    MarcNovember 17, 2019 17:08:40
    Can you imagine the reaction of some on here if we’d stayed at Highbury and then the Spud’s had built a new stadium?We’d be hearing how Levy’s a visionary yada yada and we’re going no where.

    Marc
    You think Chelsea gave a fuck? While they were wanking all over us nicking titles and champions leagues, we had The Emirates!!!
    Wooooooo.

  20. Wasi

    Chelsea have got by with a 40,000 seaters stadium just fine
    We sold our soul for a corporate office block with a football pitch in the middle of it

    Chelsea have nearly spent twice as compared to us in the Prem. They are the highest spenders in the Prem since it began. Ofc theyve gone by well.

    Pedro

    Find a manager that can focus the players around an exciting vision, then build a culture that supports it. How hard can it be to find a manager that can deliver on such a basic requirement of the job?

    Getting a Quality Visionary manager who can get the best out of the squad, develop the young guns, has a proper vision of the game and also someone who can build a culture is going to be near impossible Jan.
    All the managers who fit this criteria ( Nagelsmann , Rose, Ten Hag, Klopp, Pep, etc) are well settled right now and wouldn’t pull off a Marco Silva mid season. Someone like Arteta/Viera is a possibility but both are inexperienced . The best managers imo can only be poached in the summer unless we offered lots and lots of money.

    TBH even i dont know what would be the best plan of action now. If Raul sacks Emery now he is surely gonna go for one of Mourinho, Enrique or Allegri .

  21. Un na naai

    Wasi

    Yes
    I know. That’s why I think it’s disgusting we sold out. Built a brand new stadium and we name it after a part of the world that has nothing to do with our rich traditional and heritage? It was a sick joke and it still is

    And yes. Chelsea spent double what we spent but had we not wasted £400m on the emirates we’d have had that to put into our team ALONG WITH THE LIKES OF cesc, rvp, hleb, vermaelen, Sanchez, Ramsey, Adebayor.

    We were selling our best to city, Barca, United and Chelsea non stop. We could have kept them and been able to add quality. You saying we couldn’t have afforded £24m Essien or Makalele for £15m had we stayed at Highbury?

  22. Marko

    No real point in commenting on rumours and speculation. All this month to save his job and wanting to wait until the end of the season and “100%” backing is nonsense all of it. Bottom line is it clearly looks like the powers that be need a couple more poor performances/results to convince them to bip him. He might stave off the hangman with games against Southampton and Brighton but I don’t see him surviving the Christmas period. I think they’re expecting that as well hence reportedly putting out the feelers to Enrique and someone else said Vieira a few days ago. I think worst case scenario they’d try to convince Allegri and make a bunch of promises to him.

  23. Marc

    Un

    Do you think that Abramovich wouldn’t have spent almost a billion on players if we hadn’t of moved?

    Of course moving affected our ability to compete but to claim that Chelsea wouldn’t have become a force is naïve.

  24. Marc

    “but had we not wasted £400m on the emirates we’d have had that to put into our team”

    Well as that was borrowed money no we wouldn’t have. You can argue that the repayments could’ve been spent on players but not the capital amount.

    That’s like saying if I hadn’t have bought a house 5 years ago I would’ve had an extra £200,000 to spend.

  25. Marko

    We were already poor in the transfer market selling off our talent and replacing cheaper alternatives prior to the stadium move. Let’s not pretend that if we were still in Highbury we’d be keeping our best players competing for the best players and trophies cause it’s frankly baloney

  26. Un na naai

    Marc

    Not claiming Chelsea wouldn’t have become a force but we would have been the place to be still only we’d spent our load then sold out to kroenke when we had actual billionaire fans waiting to put their cash in.

    Look how close we got whilst selling our best with no money to complement the fantastic forward players

    My point stands
    I hate the emirates stadium and I miss Highbury
    It was the worst move in Arsenal history
    Worse than appointing emery.

  27. Wasi

    UN

    Ofc at least some of the money spent on the stadium could have been spent on the squad. But I’m really not sure that wouldve kept us in the top bracket come 2014-15. By that time football had completely changed and passed Wenger by. It had become a business first sport second. Teams like City, Chelsea were constantly breaching FFP to buy their way to the top. On the other hand Wenger didnt even wanna spend clean money. He would sell world class players for half their values and then rely on Sanogos and whatnots. Honestly we shouldve hired a DOF the moment we sold Henry to Barca for chump change. Wenger’s time in tbe transfer market was done. And i think that was on of the worst decisions in our recent history. NOT hiring a DOF. We are where we are due to constant mishandling of contracts , bad financial management and reluctance to overpay for the right player. Had we had a good DOF we would of at least have bought half the Wenger nearyly signed 11. And let me tell you that list is extraordinary. Messi, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Pique,Zlatan, etc , in the recent history Sancho and Mbappe. Even one or two of these players would of made a big difference to our current state. And the ones to blame for this mistake are the Kroenkes . They literally didn’t give a care until they stopped getting their CL money. Unfortunately it was too late. Now to get back into the Europes elite we have a mountain to climb. And the reason we fell down i think is bad leadership from the Kroenkes.

  28. Un na naai

    That’s like saying if I hadn’t have bought a house 5 years ago I would’ve had an extra £200,000 to spend.

    Marc
    But that’s exactly right. If I spend £200k on my house repayments over 10 years then that’s money I could have spent on coke and birds and cars

    Same applies
    If we borrow £400k over 8-10 years then that £400k extra for players.
    Thy could have been the difference with Suarez or Higuain or Essien or Hazard.

    Highbury was a fucking fortress. It’s was our home. The 60,000 arses on seats mattered fuck all soon enough because Palace, WBA, Brighton, Leicester, Wolves
    They were all spending more than us while we sold our best to balance the books

  29. Un na naai

    MarkoNovember 17, 2019 18:18:48
    We were already poor in the transfer market selling off our talent and replacing cheaper alternatives prior to the stadium move. Let’s not pretend that if we were still in Highbury we’d be keeping our best players competing for the best players and trophies cause it’s frankly baloney

    Marko
    Maybe not. We’d have been more competitive than we were in the end though and we’d still have our home rather than the soulless office block we’ve got now

  30. Un na naai

    WasiNovember 17, 2019 18:20:52
    UNOfc at least some of the money spent on the stadium could have been spent on the squad. But I’m really not sure that wouldve kept us in the top bracket come 2014-15. By that time football had completely changed and passed

    Wasi

    Then we take the Chelsea route and allow investment. Who cares about the stadium? It’s shit? It’s done nothing but bring us down and now it’s filled with wankers who’d rather boo than sing for the team

    Wankers
    Never had that shit at Highbury.

  31. Un na naai

    Marc
    See answer to Wasi. It’s a sellout office block filled with wankers
    That’s my two pence. It’s done fuck allto benefit us as a club and I think its brought us down

    Spurs and Chelsea and Liverpool remain competitive with their original stadiums. They kept up. Yes Chelsea had serious investment but we were London’s biggest club. We threw it down the toilet for the stadium and I just can’t stand the place. There’s no character to it and now amount of statues outside is going to add that sense of rich heritage, tradition and character we had at the marble halls. Slinging a clock up won’t help either.

  32. Wasi

    UN
    You arent getting the point. The investment you are talking about was and is not possible under the Kroenke management. Most probably we wouldnt have been as bad as we are now but surely out of the Europes elite And with a smaller stadium. The stadium was a good financial move. You hate its your decision. But it will only do the club well for the future.

  33. Un na naai

    Wasi

    Who the fuck said we needed to sell to kroenke? We could have sold to someone willing to invest like Abramovic. We had usmanov and a Nigerian billionaire.

    All I’m saying is that I don’t like the stadium and it turns out we never really needed it. Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool all round ways of keeping up without one

  34. Graham62

    Roy Keane is such a miserable fudger.

    What must be be like on Christmas Day.

    “I think I could have cooked a better Turkey than that…….darling”

    England players again playing with a smile on their face.

    Watch some of their videos Mr Emery.

  35. Graham62

    Un na naai

    I’m with you in regards to the stadium.

    We were misled by a regime that never put the club first.

    We are still being dictated to( Kroenke clan and the Board)by a mindset not geared to success and a natural and positive progression.

    This in itself is frightening.

  36. Wasi

    Un
    Yes you’re right. But the at that time it was Kroenke who siezed the opportunity. And he’s probably made loads out of Arsenal already.

  37. KAY Boss

    Emery will definitely convince the BoD to let him leave bcoz he won’t o anything of note. We don’t have world beaters all over the pitch but a good manager can get the best out of this team. Pardew and Allardyce wewe able to get the best from average to poor players.
    Emery out!

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Very good P-Diddy. Nice write.

    Culture. Important.

    We’ve always had an Arsenal culture. I think peeps forget that. We were always seen as the underdogs. A blunt object against Liverpool’s fancy dans…until we ruined the last 30 years for them. We were the long ball team. Boring boring Arsenal. That’s a culture! Like the crazy gang, we were seen as misfits who played a different game. The marble halls. GG. TA. Upsetting the odds.

    Then Arsene showed us what classy football was. Devastating counters. Arrogant players. Showmanship. Culture.

    Now we are adrift in a sea of bland.

    Get that twerp out and reignite our club.

  39. Un na naai

    Graham

    Not just success but tradition and heritage and culture
    It counts
    It’s counts for every single person who comes here from else where. It counts to juve fans and Barca fans
    Why should it count for arsenal fans?

  40. Un na naai

    Wasi

    We’d already sold it down the river for the stadium. Yes we didn’t know what was around the corner but when we realised what our competitors were up to we carried on regardless and sold out further to kroenke. Fuck the fans. Fuck the team. Fuck the football.

    And here we are

  41. Nelson

    I suggest the season ticket holders should send a message to Josh. If the club can’t get Champions League football next season, both Raul and Emery should be fired.

  42. Un na naai

    Marc won’t. He’d rather watch us crash and burn than make a stand
    Personally if this had been done back around the time Stan was buying in we’d have been a lot better off by now.
    We’d have usmanov
    No stadium debt
    Highly competitive team.
    Huge support for wenger but if he wasn’t performing then I’m sure usmanov would have done what was required

  43. Un na naai

    Man emery is so fucked
    I do actually genuinely feel sorry for him. He’s way over his head. He’s lost control and this has now got too far away from him. The players are all mugging him off publicly. The fans, pundits, news writers and ex players are all calling for an end to this.

    It’s got to stop.
    Even if it’s freddie til May. He’s lost the dressing room

  44. Goobergooner

    This from Valentin…

    “When he leaves, we will have a structure in place filled of yes men, unable to correct all the mistakes made. It may take a while to purge Arsenal from his influence.
    Good managers hire people who challenge them in order to elevate themselves. Bad managers hire sycophants and meek people in order to keep control.”

    This sounds very damn familiar of the last 10 years of Arsenal.

    You are one step behind the whole situation mate.

  45. Emiratesstroller

    The club is clearly in a mess at the moment.

    There has been a lot of turmoil and changes many of which are frankly not for
    the better.

    What is clear to me is that the club’s owners need to be more “hands on” and there needs also to be a clearout and invigoration of the Board Room. I can see
    logic in bringing onto Board a distinguished ex Arsenal Footballer, but David
    O’Leary would not be my choice. If I was going to bring in someone it would
    be either Liam Brady or Flamini both of whom have got a “brain”.

    The Academy is seeing a lot of departures, but the concern expressed to me by someonewho knows the set up is that this has been done without any clear planning or replacements. So there appears to be something of a vacuum at the moment.

    Insofar as the First Team it is crystal clear that Emery is not a longterm solution following departure of Wenger. The football is poor and there appears to be a lot of instability within the squad with several players either
    unhappy with their roles at the club or agitating to leave. This is particularly
    apparent in midfield.

    My preference is that Emery should be offloaded quickly with an interim head
    coach before Christmas. However, the club needs to be 100% sure that they bring in the right man in the summer with the requisite planning done over
    next six months.

    Personally I think that this season is already a “write off” and we need to clear
    the decks as quickly as possible. Holding onto Emery until summer will only
    result in the current situation festering.

  46. Graham62

    ES

    Whatever way you look at things, it is a complete and utter mess. Our hierarchy are the weak link.

    This inability to act decisively and proactively for the benefit of the club has been ongoing now for about 12 years.

    I’ve always said that it is the fans who have the ultimate say in all of this. Whinging won’t achieve anything. When you’re not happy you don’t cower away in the corner and sulk, you get up and show your face and make a stance.

    Getting Emery out would only be the first step

    20000 empty seats at the Emirates against Southampton should do the trick.

  47. Emiratesstroller

    Graham 62

    I think that the hierarchy at Arsenal know already that all is not well at the club. The overall performance of team and results are plain for all to see.

    They do not need to see a drop in attendances to realise this albeit that is already happening.

    My major concern at the moment is that the club has spent over £230 million + in last 2 seasons with very little return on investment. It is plain to see that
    we are a poor team particularly in midfield and defence.

    I doubt that there is much mileage left for the Kroenke family to invest in the
    team. I cannot see them spending another £100 million + in next two transfer
    windows.

    Personally I would not be willing to spend more money under current regime.
    At the moment it looks like a “black hole”.

  48. Pierre

    Stroller
    Basically, we have learnt nothing from how United struggled to replace Ferguson.

    It was rank incompetence to spend fortunes in the window knowing that Emery was still our manager.

    Whoever are making the decisions at a higher level are now in a position that they are praying that Emery turns it around so that they can save face.

    One bad result in this next run of of even easier fixtures than the previous batch, and the pressure will become immense for the club to make a change.

    The first mistake was to employ Emery, the 2nd mistake was to not replace him at the end of last season , the 3rd mistake was to spend fortunes on the squad last summer, the 4th mistake was to defend Emery’s stupid decision to freeze Ozil out of the team, the 5th mistake was to allow Emery to continue when they had a perfect time to replace him during the international break.

  49. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    The facts are that in contrast to when Wenger took over at Arsenal the club has a very poor team.

    Wenger inherited the meanest defence in the EPL which included Seaman, Winterburn, Bould, Adams and Dixon. In addition the club had a number of other decent players including Bergkamp and Wright.

    Wenger had also the advantage of bringing in players like Vieira and Anelka
    who were relatively unknown quantities and cost peanuts. He was able to
    rebuild the team in an orderly fashion.

    By contrast Arsenal under Sanhelli, Edu and Emery have attempted a revolution which has proven unstable and sadly not delivered any real quality
    either in defence or midfield.

    The reality is we have spent a lot of money on mediocrity in both departments. My fear is that Arsenal will keep the Head Coach and continue to buy speculative or average players often at inflated prices.

    We don’t have a great squad of players, but with the right direction they are
    improvable. I have maintained that the club should offload Luiz or Sokratis
    plus Torreira, Xhaka and Ceballos.

    Whatever we generate in transfer fees should be focussed on bring in one CB and 2 MFs. At least one of those players should be someone with experience who is a potential “leader of the pack”.

    Realistically there are no short cuts to success. However, there needs now to
    be an upward trajectory and an improvement in the entertainment value of the football.

  50. Pierre

    Stroller
    “The facts are that in contrast to when Wenger took over at Arsenal the club has a very poor team.”

    I’m not sure about that.

    An offensive line up of Aubameyang, Lacazette, welbeck

    A midfield of , Ramsey , Mhkitaryan ‘Ozil, Iwobi, xhaka….and let’s not forget that Cazorla and Wilshere were let go .

    A defence that consisted of koscielny, Monreal, Bellerin , holding, mustafi , lichsteiner , sokratis .

    The difference between Wenger and Emery when they first arrived , is that wenger had a football brain, unlike the present regime who look like they haven’t a clue how to build a balanced squad.

    Wenger recognized that despite the fact that the defence was ageing and going by recent years were declining, he could invigorate them and he transformed the latter stages of their careers …even the players admit that

    He also recognised where the squad was deficient and brought in Vieira and Petit in midfield and Overmars to give the side pace.

    Compare that to the present regime who have not addressed our weaknesses and it is not difficult to see why the fans are not happy.

  51. Graham62

    Pierre

    Let’s not dwell on things but, as you well know, the first mistake was letting Wenger stay at the club well beyond his sell by date.

    The second mistake was the Ozil contract renewal fiasco, inhand with the Sanchez shambles. The third mistake was hiring Emery. The fourth mistake was not firing him after the GX debacle.

    Agreed many mistakes have been made, but not quite as you see them.

  52. Graham62

    Pierre

    Emery is a poor manager.

    Wenger became poor a manager.

    Emery is not deliberately screwing with us.

    Wenger, on the other hand, did.

    The owner and board didn’t act with Wenger until it was too late.

    They cannot afford to make the same mistake with Emery.

  53. HighburyLegend

    “They cannot afford to make the same mistake with Emery.”

    It seems that they’re on the right path to do the same…

  54. Un na naai

    Pierre

    We still added some serious quality to the squad under emery

    Martinelli, Pepe, Tierney, Saliba, Guendouzi and Torreira are all very good players for me.

    Under a proper coach next season I’d expect big things from each of these players

    Add them to Willock, Holding, Saka, Smith Rowe and Lacazette and we stilljave the makings a a very very good first team

  55. Tee

    Kenyagunner

    Who knows, the run could continue.

    It will actually do your health a lot of good if you continue to miss matches cos presently our performances are uglier than that creature in lords of the ring

  56. Edu me a favour

    I don’t think any new players can save emery – he’s just not a good coach , not for this level or league , anyway.

    We need an exceptional coach , and coaching team – we have a very good squad , who should be playing better than this , and could play better than this with the right coaching. At the very least this squad should have us comfortably in the top 4

    Good coaching goes a loooong way , we’d be silly to think we can solve all of our problems by just spending big money , especially when it’s emery that’s dishing out the instructions to these big money players

  57. Nelson

    The team performance was bad the whole season. But the bad results only started in the last three weeks. For me, the board hasn’t got a plan B yet. They need to buy some time to think it over. I have no confidence that assigning FL as the care taker manager could improve the team performance.

    I think Josh should apply pressure on the board also. They should come up with a plan B ASAP. If we can’t get Champions League football next season, both Raul and Emery should be fire.

  58. Un na naai

    Digital bob

    Yeah it was uncomfortable viewing.

    Think of the team we had. Think of who we could have added to it had we not moved stadium.

    We had Rvp, Cesc, nasri, adebayor, Arsahivin, Hleb, Rosicky, Theo, Sagna, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox, Vermaelen, Koscielney, Monreal

    Had we kept that lot together and fit and added 3,4,5 big players or leaders we’d have won it all I’m certain.

  59. Nelson

    It is now clear that the Arsenal job is too big for Emery. He is a coach for a mid_level team. He panics once the pressure is on. I want to see how he set up the team against “weaker” opponents. I am worry that a few players start down tooling.

  60. Un na naai

    “In the new role he is not at ease, but we respect the coach’s decisions, after that we’ll see what happens.”

    Not happy. Not at ease. Not good for us. As we know, Unai Emery likes a big man at the base of his midfield. That goes some way to explaining his continued use of Granit Xhaka, his preference of Stephen N’Zonzi over Torreira, his lust for Fabinho and so on. He also sees Torreira as an attacking player more than a defensive one:

    He is very intelligent about getting space around the box and taking chances.

    From arseblog
    Interesting…..
    As I’ve been saying all along, emery doesn’t know how to use the player’s he has. He’d rather Nzonzi of stoke loool

  61. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I omitted negative comments about our forward line, but I stick to what I wrote about midfield and defence.

    Many of players you listed were either cripples, injury prone, past their sell by
    date or not Arsenal standard.

  62. Pierre

    Graham
    “Let’s not dwell on things but, as you well know, the first mistake was letting Wenger stay at the club well beyond his sell by date.The second mistake was the Ozil contract renewal fiasco”

    My original comment was in reply to strollers assumption that when Emery arrived we ” had a very poor team”

    It was a mistake for the hierarchy to let wenger over stay his welcome and to give Ozil such a ridiculous contract….

  63. Un na naai

    However, it was playing as a defensive midfielder at Sampdoria that put him on “Arsenal’s radar, because we were looking for exactly that kind of player, and that is precisely why we bought him. And yet, Emery clearly doesn’t fancy him to do the job he wants a player in that position to do (quite what that is I’m not 100% sure either, but that looks to be the reality of it).“

    Arseblog again

    Except that emery doesn’t want a defensive midfielder to play as a defensive midfielder. No. He wants xakha to play as a defensive midfielder. Or Guendouzi. Not someone who can, you know, actually defend

  64. Micheal

    Edu:

    One of the current mysteries at AFC is Edu. What does he do ? Has he made any noticeable difference since he arrived ? Does anyone believe that he is about to make a big impact ?

    In most organisations – business, politics, charities, etc – the new person in charge typically makes the biggest impact in the first three months. For exmaple, the first 100 days in politics are generally regarded as the most significant and influential because they indicate the path ahead. It is invariably the same in business.

    Edu has been at Arsenal for more thjan 100 days. Has anyone noticed anything different ?

  65. Un na naai

    EmiratesstrollerNovember 18, 2019 11:27:39
    PierreI omitted negative comments about our forward line, but I stick to what I wrote about midfield and defence.Many of players you listed were either cripples, injury prone, past their sell by
    date or not Arsenal standard.

    Stroller
    And Wenger still got more out of them than emery can with £300m of new players

    Give wenger the squad we have now and we’d be much better off

  66. Words on a Blog

    Un,

    The first item on the agenda for Emery’s successor is to actually play an actual DM in the DM position.

    For the moment that player is Torreira. It’s clear that a major source of his unhappiness is not England, English weather, or the pace of the Premier League: it’s the fact that he’s either played out of position or not played at all.

  67. CG

    Edu do ………..

    “”””””At the very least this squad should have us comfortably in the top 4″””””””

    That is a falsehood.
    Granted we have the worst coach in the history of coaching( Sorry Mr. Scott)

    But Bill Shankly could not get this soggy lot top 4.

    We are so slow, so static and so ponderous – we are making Big Willie Young look like M’bappe at times.

    On paper its the worst back 4 in Arsenals history.

    We re not fit for purpose.

    Arsenal will not play a Champions League fixture for some time. ( maybe 5 more years?)

    And the decent players we have remaining know this fact too.

    Its batten down the hatches time and face the new footballing reality post Wenger.

  68. CG

    Arsenal Menu

    genduzi, cebolas, sok, luiz, holding ,tor, sead= painfully slow
    laca and xhaka = want out
    PEA= 31
    leno= wanted by bayern
    pepe= only has 1 leg

    tierney= injured
    martinelli= saliba = sellable assets.

    we are on the way to the Championship in fact!

    But we will be back- not sure when though!

  69. bennydevito

    “Give wenger the squad we have now and we’d be much better off”

    No we wouldn’t. Wenger left us in 6th place in his last season, Emery finished 5th in his first.

    We’d still be conceding the same stupid goals, playing the same kamikaze football with dangerous high lines we can’t defend, and would still play the same way every game where the opposition would know exactly how to deal with us. We’d also be playing sideways crab football with endless passing trying to walk the ball in the net.

    We had over 5 years of that in the end that was already emptying the stadium, let’s not delude ourselves it would be any different if we brought Wenger back.

  70. Valentin

    Reports stated that Edu was the main driving force behind the Academy scouting department restructuring. So he has been doing thing behind the scene.
    The big question is why has he not be so active with the first team?

    Before we start casting stone at Edu, maybe there is valid reasons for that inactivity.

    Is he still finding his feet? Making change to the academy scouting department that was not working harmoniously with Per is much easier than changing the first team coaching staff.

    Does he even think that changes are necessary?

    Is he allowed to make those changes?According to some, Arsenal is so skint, it can’t afford to get rid of Emery and his staff. Others are arguing that he can’t do it until Josh agrees.

  71. bennydevito

    CGNovember 16, 2019    14:31:01

    bd

    Are you undergoing gender alignment therapy.? ( if you are it-it now makes sense)

    You are more absurd, more whimsical than even my second ex wife was.

    You should team up…..
    get on like a bloody house on fire!

    crackers!

    >>>>>>

    CG, I asked you what you meant by this yesterday but you didn’t reply?

  72. Graham62

    CG

    During your first time on here, according to you, we were bottom half PL material, now we are a Championship team.

    As usual, a slight exaggeration on your part. However, what I will agree with you on is that if Emery is allowed to continue on his merry way, we will be struggling to make top 10.

  73. CG

    Edu has done only two things of note- since he arrived on the AFC gravy train.

    1) get his son signed up.
    2) oust the respected Morrow ( who was a threat to his position)

    there are words for people like Edu.

  74. bennydevito

    CGNovember 17, 2019    10:18:52

    Was it not just heartening to see Tony Adams walkout on to the Wembley pitch the other night with Martin Keown.

    I am sure – just like me – all my fellow Le Grove patients noticed him wearing his red and white scarf .

    He didn’t need to as it was an English FA function.

    Adams/Keown /O Leary is proper Arsenal.

    Not these cockroaches ( josh/raul /stan) we currently have destroying our very fabric and D.N.A.

    And as sooner we get these titans back in the club in some capacity – the quicker our road ro recovery will be.

    Because if dont – we will become just a bigger version of QPR.

    CGNovember 17, 2019    10:27:07

    Liverpool under Klopp just play a refined version of Wimbledons football.

    That’s all.
    433.
    Every match
    Ball goes forward quickly as possible.
    Big defenders at the back
    Big goalkeeper
    Great team spirit.
    And that’s why Klopp is a footballing genius.
    Because he sells it to the masses that he is playing something mysterious.

    Keep it simple. It’s only football.

    >>>>>

    These were great comments by the way.

  75. Marko

    CG taking over. Though suggesting that we have a poor squad could be seen as a reprieve for the poor job the managers doing.

    Anyway somebody was asking about what Edu’s doing and well it seems he might be trying to get one of the best young talents to come out of Brazil for a while to sign for Arsenal.

  76. Micheal

    Valentin @ 12.51:

    Very valid points abut Edu. I would emphasise that he has been largely invisible since arrival and his impact has been almost non-existent. I totally accept the change in the scouting operation may prove helpful in the long. But in the long run we are all dead.

  77. Marko

    Impact largely non-existent? He was logically speaking the person behind the signing of Martinelli and his impact is non existent? I dunno what people want him to do be more in front of the cameras? Be a bit of a mouthpiece I suppose. Reports are he’s being working and vocal behind the scenes talking to the team after the latest poor performance. I suppose he needs to be more loud and up front for people to think he’s doing a good job

  78. Micheal

    Marko:
    I naturally accept that Martinelli has been a very positive acquisition. He looks avery good player and I sincerely hope we can keep him.

    But the structural and opertional problems at Arsenal will not be solved by an 18-years old Brazilian.

  79. Micheal

    Marko

    Structural: Ownership by an American billioaire absentee landlord not interested in football; A person who shields his business interests in Delaware to avoid normal scrutiny; Kroenke’s failure to invest in the club (all spending at AFC has been financed internally from our own resources – the only major club in the country which is not directly supported by the owners ) ; total failure of corporate responsibility to permit Wenger and Gazidis to run down the club for a period of many years.

    Operational: Emery appointment; team performance; failure to address the serious long-term flaws in team (including defence, defensive midfield, etc)
    contract issue (only now being tackled); lack empathy with supporters;

    These are random thoughts off the top of my head. I am sure others will have their own views.

  80. Marko

    Michael I thought you were actually going to talk structural and operational problems . I don’t think talking about the kroenkes and where they keep their money counts as structural discussion and operational to me it seems like the criticism stems from not sacking the manager in a timely fashion which is fair enough. Structurally though and in operation we’re going along with the same model as most European clubs now which is fine. Operationally we seem to be working at a slower pace though I suspect that when Emery is sacked and a better manager comes in all of a sudden operational problems aren’t being discussed.

  81. Marko

    Michael the o is fake anyhow. It’s not a problem because the actual structure of the club doesn’t demand a hands on or hands off owner. If everyone is competent and does their jobs then the owner becomes irrelevant. We now look like we have competent people running things. All this trepidation about Raul and Edu will likely evaporate when Emery is gone and is replaced by a more popular appointment.

  82. Micheal

    Fake or not, I would not wish the missing “o” to suggest anything provocative.

    I have long believed that the fundamental problem at the heart of Arsenal is the ownership. We can argue all day about the finer points.

    But crux of the matter is that for the best part of 10 years, Kroenke has owned outright or controlled AFC. During that time he was paid the wages and met all other obligations while, at the same time, presiding over the steady and relentless decline. Most notably, this involved the Weger-Gazidis years and the current mess which is aired on LeGrove on a daily basis.

    To me the big question is whether Kroenke’s indifferene will repeat the shambles of the Wenger-Gazidis years by allowinng the reign of Emery,Raul & Co tp continue unchecked. A more committed, active owner would intervene.

  83. Un na naai

    We now look like we have competent people running things. All this trepidation about Raul and Edu will likely evaporate when Emery is gone and is replaced by a more popular appointment.

    Marko

    We can’t be sure yet. Letting Emery continue indicates otherwise.

  84. Marko

    HL you don’t think so? Since certain people have come in we’ve bipped Wenger gotten rid of half of the underperforming coaching staff and have improved in the transfer market. And look likely to sack another underperforming manager sooner rather than later. It’s not perfect but it’s competent.

  85. MatinellisHead

    ‘Since certain people have come in we’ve bipped Wenger gotten rid of half of the underperforming coaching staff and have improved in the transfer market. And look likely to sack another underperforming manager sooner rather than later. It’s not perfect but it’s competent.’

    Since when did us being worse off than before equate to competent??

  86. Distant legrover

    We’d be getting the best coaches, Pep, Ancelloti, Conte etc instead of second bests like Emery and some of the underwhelming names they had on the 8 man shortlist.

    We’d also have some of the best players in the game instead of some of the second rates players we got.

    There are other positives too.

  87. David Smith

    Unfortunately, I doubt the best coaches like Pep, Conti, Ancelotti etc would accept the head coach rather than manager role the club reportedly demands
    TBH, surprised if Jose or Luis Enrique would either

  88. Alexanderhenry

    Un na nai

    You make valid points.

    The stone cold truth is that Arsenal football club have not benifitted from the stadium move.
    When you compare the last 12 years at the Emirates to the last 12 years at Highbury, we have won fewer trophies, finished lower in the league on average and most importantly, when you look at the squad we had during our last stint at Highbury, our current squad doesn’t bear comparison.

    We can’t go back though, so the question should be this:
    How does arsenal regain it’s soul because at the moment the club has about as much individuality and character as a random branch of Tesco.

    Employ more ex players in the backroom? Maybe.
    I still think the answer lies in a change of ownership.

  89. azed

    “But the structural and opertional problems at Arsenal will not be solved by an 18-years old Brazilian.”

    Micheal

    How do you propose Edu takes care of the structural problems?
    Should he order the Kronke’s to move their company from Delaware?

  90. Marko

    Unfortunately, I doubt the best coaches like Pep, Conti, Ancelotti etc would accept the head coach rather than manager role the club reportedly demands

    Don’t agree with this whatsoever it’s the exact same structurally speaking as every major club in Europe does successfully. Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund all of them hire head coaches and not managers anymore. They have DOF doing the signings and all that shite. Even the names mentioned Conti, Ancellotti etc well Moratta at Inter Milan does all the recruitment and all that and literally Conti like at Chelsea is the head coach. I’m not going to comment on things at Napoli because Carlo’s having problems there with De Laurentis and the son and that alone explains it.

    Like I said before problems with Raul and Edu stem from not already sacking Emery which is fair enough.

  91. Micheal

    Azed: “How do you propose Edu takes care of the structural problems?
    Should he order the Kronke’s to move their company from Delaware?”

    I was responding to a point raised by Marko. He suggested that Martinelli was a sign that things were imporoving. I merely suggested that an 18-years old Brazilian was a very good addition – but not the answer to the fundamental structural and operational problems at Arsenal. I was not suggesting Edu is the answer.

  92. azed

    “According to some, Arsenal is so skint, it can’t afford to get rid of Emery and his staff. Others are arguing that he can’t do it until Josh agrees.”

    Valentin

    I asked you a question some days ago and you haven’t still responded.

    If Raul were to fire Emery now, the club would have to pay Emery off. Who authorizes the payment?

    You cannot talk about firing Emery without talking about his payout. You can’t also talk about firing Emery without talking about hiring a new manager and that also cost money so please tell us who is signing the cheques.

    but would make a lot of sense considering we have a contracts man as dastardly as Huss Fahmy overseeing things.

    I know how many times I have told you Raul is not the contracts guy at Arsenal but your hatred for the man would not let see the truth.

  93. azed

    Micheal

    That’s ok.

    Many people are expecting Edu to do what they like forgetting that Josh Kronke is the boss and nothing with a serious financial consequence would get done without the Josh approving.

  94. Distant legrover

    I think it’s sad that you have to pay off underperforming managers in order to fire them in the first place. Where is the accountability ?

    Might become a manager myself at this rate, since it’s a win-win all round.