Arsenal leak suggests execs want Emery to stay

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Come on everyone, be strong, not long to go, just one more week of relentless boredom over the international week, then we can return to politics. I’m kind of hoping that Jezza Corbyn will continue his epic ‘TAKE IT BACK’ campaign to The Arsenal. Take the club out of foreign ownership and fund it using the power of the nation! Free tickets for everyone. A beautiful vision of the game.

I’d vote for that.

The Mirror is reporting that Unai Emery has been given 4 easy games to save his job. The club are trying to make things as simple as possible for the manager to stay in place until the end of the season. I think more and more folk are convinced he’s on a 2-year deal, which runs counter to David Ornstein’s info, but would make a lot of sense considering we have a contracts man as dastardly as Huss Fahmy overseeing things. That technically makes it cheaper to keep him, but if he misses top 4, the math doesn’t look sexy.

The laughable part about the whole leak, which probably didn’t come from Raul or Edu, is the club don’t think sacking Emery will change things.

That my friends, has been the crux of my confusing point over the past few weeks. Emery is bad. Really bad. But binning him off isn’t the only solve. My bigger worry is that Edu has been here for quite a bit now and the feeling still remains that we’re in trouble regardless of what we do with the manager. That says we’ve not moved the needle on infrastructure, because well-run clubs can survive an Emery (look at Leicester).

What happened to Raul’s beautiful vision he shared this summer? Perhaps we gave too much of it over to bad decision makers. If the head of the fish is rotten, you know the rest. To still be at the start of a transition 18 months after Arsene Wenger left is quite something, especially when you consider the football upgrade was well underway before he was binned.

I’m not down with the doom and gloom though. I know that there are lots of problems at the club and they go beyond the man in the dugout. But a lot can be done with a galvanising figure running the show.

Firstly, a better communicator can sooth the fans and give them a realistic overview of what’s going on. The next manager has to be a statement about the next 3 years, not a hopeful gamble on the next 5 months.

Secondly, a better coach with clearer intentions will help the team immeasurably. Do we have the perfect squad? No. Has anyone ever stated that we do? No. Coaching goes an awful long way in football, and it’s clear we’ve not been getting our share of it. Whatever you think about our expensively assembled squad, the reality is it finished 2 points off 3rd last season, then we spent a fortune in the summer to upgrade it (and added some tasty young kids to the options list). We need a coach that can work with the talent he has and create an offering that is more than the sum of its parts. Nagelsmann did a brilliant job of that when he was at Hoffenheim. Potter built a mini Patriots when he was at Ostersunds, focusing heavily on rehabbing ‘finished’ players into a positive culture, massively out-batting his average. Marco Rose instilled his 11 principles into Salzburg and had them flying high in the Europa League and smashing an invincible season. Arsenal’s players look so bad at the moment because they have a drab manager that doesn’t know how to get the most out of them. We’re Leicester last season (and the season before that).

Thirdly, OUR biggest weakness, Granit Xhaka, is trying to exit the club. This is such a magical gift. So beautiful and pretty. If the club can kick into gear and find a replacement for him in January, it could restart our flagging season. We can target a mobile defensive-minded midfielder that wants to play with discipline. I know it’s a tough ask, but we managed to find a 25 goal a season striker 2 years ago with little problem and there might be clubs willing to sell after the first batch of teams exit the Champions League.

Arsenal is in a mess of its own making, but that should never be an excuse for inaction. Businesses make mistakes all the time, the key to fixing them is to generally own up to what you did, assess what the core issue was, then rectify it fast and hope no one notices. Throwing your hands up in the press and saying, ‘we’re fucked whatever we do’ is embarrassingly defeatist.

I think one of the biggest misses with Emery centres around his inability to create a culture. That problem stems from a lack of vision. If players don’t have anything to believe in, why would they adhere to a set of behaviours or actions that support the cause? That’s why we have a captain that still thinks his reaction to the fans was cool. That’s why we have players liking salty posts on Instagram. That’s why half efforts on the pitch aren’t nipped in the bud.

Find a manager that can focus the players around an exciting vision, then build a culture that supports it. How hard can it be to find a manager that can deliver on such a basic requirement of the job?

That’s why I’d support finding that manager in January. Get the grim December out of the way, put the feelers our for a manager with a vision and a plan, then when the tough games are done, see what they can do over the next 5 months. At worst, the groundwork for next season can be laid, at best, maybe the players make a run for top 4.

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  1. Un na naai

    Alexander Henry

    Thanks
    How does the club regain its soul?

    Well it has to embrace its past, it’s rich heritage and it’s fanbase.

    That means stop refusing English people entry if they are carrying the English flag

    It means bringing through young english lads who we can identify with

    It means to bring our old badge back with our old motto Victoria Concordia Crescit
    It means change that shitty desert shit hole stadium name and change it back to Ashburton Grove or the New Highbury or something we can be proud of. The fucking emirates makes me sick.

    It means to lower the ticket prices
    It means stop treating the fans like mugs and cash cows
    Stop condescending publicly. This thank you for your concern attitude about OUR CLUB.

    It’s about making sure the players and the coach understand what it means to play for arsenal and to treat the fans with respect.

    I don’t necessarily NEED to be winning titles to have that link. But we are being treated like we are nothing. There would be no arsenal without us and now they are pandering to this global fan base bollocks while using locals to fill the stadium and buy the season tickets.

    The atmosphere at the emirates is poison. It’s either really quiet or just outrage and bile towards our own. It was never like this at Highbury. Yes it was one of the quieter stadiums in the country but the grove is a fucking vacuum.
    Maybe do something to encourage some atmosphere too.

  2. azed

    “I think it’s sad that you have to pay off underperforming managers in order to fire them in the first place. Where is the accountability ?”

    I’m pretty sure most jobs give you a pay off even when you are fired for underperforming .

  3. Un na naai

    The new badge is shit. I can’t stand it. It’s like some sort of cartoon sticker rather than the old Victorian style embroidered badge we had.

    The version (99 I think) with the gold trim was my favourite.

  4. Valentin

    Azed,

    I have already answered twice.
    It is a bad choice as neither will bring long term success.

    If a new DoF were to bring extremely talented players that Emery likes. He can get top 4. However that would be the extend of his ceiling with some cup competition.

    On the other hand, if Raul stays and continue to buy mostly overpaid mediocre that the headcoach does not like, then there is no chance of improvement. An extremely talented coach would be able to extract top 4 and some cup competition victory, but again that would be the extend of his success.

  5. Graham62

    Alexanderhenry

    Our hierarchy, as we all well know, do not have the core values of the fans at heart. I’m talking about “our values” not the gobbledygook they promote.

    Any owner with a knowledge/understanding of such issues would have not, imo, have sat through the past few weeks without acting.

    Look at the Wenger shambles. Kroenke could have and should have acted sooner, but he didn’t. The consequences of these weak and ineffective decisions have severe consequences on the entire club.

    Do you think the Liverpool/ MC / Chelski ownership would have sat back and accepted what our inept owners have? Of course they wouldn’t.

    Emery should have been removed by now. The fact that he hasn’t, is down to one key thing.

    Simple really.

  6. HighburyLegend

    “Unfortunately, I doubt the best coaches like Pep, Conti, Ancelotti etc would accept the head coach rather than manager role the club reportedly demands”

    @David Smith : exactly!!
    All those who dream of those coaches at Arsenal…
    Well, it will still a dream. lol

  7. Unai

    I doubt many top coaches would have walked in 18 months ago.

    Club in transition, angry fans, ugly squad all under the shadow of a once legendary manager.

    Ironically, Emerys failure may make us more attractive to the prime managers.

  8. Valentin

    Azed,

    What are you arguing about?
    The point that I made about Edu was there maybe external reasons why he has not yet made any change to the first team. I used your own argument as one of the reasons.

    You don’t seem to accept that the guy in charge of contract Raul does not write the legalese part of the contract, but still decide the overall content.
    The same way if you buy a property and you want to make sure that some of fixtures remain, you instruct your solicitor. He then write the legal section about it. Lawyers just negotiate the nitty gritty legal things.

    My other point was that the average tenure for a premiership is 2.5 years. So signing a 3 years contract without any exit clause is just bad contract negotiation. Not to have exit clause without compensation for failure to fullfil explicit targets is just doubling down on incompetence.
    ManUtd sacked David Moyes the day it was mathematically impossible to qualify for Champion’s League. The payoff was limited. I am just calling out Arsenal people for not bothering doing the minimum required of any decent contract negotiation.

  9. Marko

    It really doesn’t Don it’s not your club it’s a global club with fans throughout the world. You don’t get it back by signing up British players cause it’s was never yours to begin with

  10. Marko

    I don’t think Arsenal gets sorted out by signing overpriced English players or by hiring an average English manager. And I can be corrected but off the top of my head I can’t think of any great English ownership competing for major honours in the premiership. I said English because even though you added British and Irish in to hide your xenophobia you really meant just English. I’m not just saying this because I’m Irish but I can’t imagine how utterly shite and boring Arsenal would be an English manager an English owner and mostly English players. Bland and boring as a cup of Tetleys springs to mind

  11. Words on a Blog

    From a pure “football is ultimately entertainment” perspective, getting rid of Emery and replacing him with a coach with a track record of playing successful and entertaining football is enough for me.

    Since the end of last season and all through this season we’ve played like a mid-table club worried about slipping into the relegation zone.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. There’s nothing wrong with making mistakes and firing a manager if his brand of football doesn’t fit with the squad and are looking to play and the supporters are hoping to see.

    If Rodgers is a better fit than Puel over at Leicester, then SOMEBODY must be a better fit at Arsenal. Not my job to say who that should be; that’s what Raul and Edu should be working hard at.

  12. Words on a Blog

    Oh and one suggested extra requirement of any new coach is that they must be prepared to play a DM in defensive midfield.

    No registas please, and no DMS playing as CAMs, wing-backs or auxiliary strikers.

  13. Marko

    replacing him with a coach with a track record of playing successful and entertaining football is enough for me.

    Successful AND entertaining…if that wasn’t enough for you I’d suggest you sort yourself out

  14. Marko

    Oh and one suggested extra requirement of any new coach is that they must be prepared to play a DM in defensive midfield.

    This a million times words. My barest requirement for the next manager of Arsenal is simply replacing Xhaka at the base of the midfield. Address the midfield it’s that simple. It’s not that hard I believe and old Granit has forced the issue thankfully because originally I was worried about some possible managerial appointments and whether they might actually like to try him out for a bit (Allegri liked Khedira for example maybe he’d like Xhaka) but thankfully he himself has fucked it beyond repair.

  15. Un na naai

    MarkoNovember 18, 2019 17:48:37
    It really doesn’t Don it’s not your club it’s a global club with fans throughout the world. You don’t get it back by signing up British players cause it’s was never yours to begin w

    Jackeen. It was always more mine than someone in Beijing or Lagos. Sorry but it’s part of my culture. I grew up in London and that means something. It’s like trying to pretend the super bowl means as much to me as someone raised in the states. It doesn’t.
    Arsenal threw tradition and heritage out the window for globalism. Even Chelsea have managed to maintain it. Liverpool have. Even city.

    Not us. We changed everything. Out with the old, in with the new and now we are left with a vacant empty shell where a great and proud London club once stood.

  16. Un na naai

    MarkoNovember 18, 2019 17:59:35
    I don’t think Arsenal gets sorted out by signing overpriced English players or by hiring an average English manager. And I can be corrected but off the top of my head I can’t think of any great English ownership competing for major honours in the premiership. I said English because even though you added British and Irish in to hide your xenophobia you really meant just English. I’m not just saying this because I’m Irish but I can’t imagine how utterly shite and boring Arsenal would be an English manager an English owner and mostly English players. Bland and boring as a cup of Tetleys springs to mind

    Marko. Nope. I genuinely am please to have tierney and think he could be club captain one day.

    But let’s address your overpriced nonsense

    If we produce them or get them cheap then they aren’t overpriced.

    Scholes Gerrard Terry Cole King Neville Becks Giggs Lamps Rio Owen Fowler Manaman Rooney Kane Sterling Trent Arnold

    They all cost nothing at their parent clubs. They are only overpriced if you don’t spot and develop them early.

    How much did Milner, Henderson Ox , Arnold, Gomez and Robertson cost Liverpool?

    Not a fucking lot marko yet they all contribute heavily to the best team in the world right now.

  17. Marko

    It was always more mine than someone in Beijing or Lagos. Sorry but it’s part of my culture

    Again not yours never been yours. Dunno why you’re bringing culture into it it’s best manager was french it’s record appearence holder is Irish and it’s very best players have ranged from French and Dutch to Spanish and Irish. Some English in there sure but very much overpowered by a foreign influence. Even now you’re spouting English players at Liverpool as a way of justifying your thinking while completely overlooking that if it wasn’t for a Brazilian goalkeeper, a Dutch defender, a Brazilian DM and a forward line with a Brazilian, Egyptian and someone from Senegal in it playing for a German manager they’d be nowhere near the top of the premier league.

  18. Chris

    In this day and age you can’t not have a global fan base. It is simply the way the world is, sports in the US are followed very keenly in Europe and I have seen first hand how passionate they are. With the advent of modern technology and social media it is easy from people afar to follow the club and personally I welcome anyone from anywhere in the world. However I also respect the tradition of the born and bred Londoner whose grandad stood on the old Clock End et al. It is important to retain these roots as well as welcoming others. Challenging, but important.

    You could say Man Utd were the first team to see the dollar signs by selling merchandise far and wide across the globe. The world has changed and as appealing and romantic as a scenario such as the Lisbon Lions is, it is highly unlikely to occur again. One thing i would love to see is something as similar mentioned above in Liverpool, superstar internationals mixed with local and British lads. However I wouldn’t be complaining if a team of 11 foreigners won it all for us and on more than one occasion we fielded teams such as this back in Wenger’s golden era.

  19. Un na naai

    Marko

    Yes. I’m sorry. I just will never agree. It’s like me turning round and trying to make out Boca Juniors means the world to me and that I get it with zero Argentinian blood.

    And yes culture does have to do with it

    Chris
    Not saying don’t have a global fanbase but don’t sell out your club and it’s heritage for it.
    Juniichi Inamoto? Excuse the spelling. We didn’t sign him for his talent.

  20. Chris

    Un

    I think you spelt it perfectly actually. Yes that was a strange singing much like Park Chu Young. However other clubs have made signings such as this.

    I meant to say also that I dislike our current crest as much as you do, and I am thinking it is almost 20 years old? Hopefully the club changes it soon and better still holds consultations with fans about a design. Although that worked spectacularly well for Leeds.

  21. Un na naai

    Marko

    You still need some core British player’s in there

    Do you really think I’d turn round and so may to the next Bergkamp, Freddy, Th14, Vieira or RvP because they aren’t British? Nope. Even the next Guendouzi or Martinelli. I love it when an exciting youngster bursts in the scene no matter where they are from

    I do feel you need that British core though.
    The likes or bergkamp, Vieira and Henry learned what it meant to be a Gunner from Keown, Adams, Dixon, Parlour and seaman, Wright and Merson

    Listen to their interviews. They all say you need that British core. That knows what it means to be arsenal. O Leary and pat rice too. It all feeds in to the the heritage

    Men like Keown, Adams, Dixon, Freddie and Pires can now feed that back to our youngsters and pass on the baton. Easily to slate the players we have but no one ever called Dixon and Winterburn world class but we’re part of the most famous back four in the prem. they don’t need to be the world’s best but they do need to be able to play for the shirt whilst being good enough. I think Holding could fall into that bracket Tierney and Willock.

  22. Un na naai

    MarkoNovember 18, 2019 18:46:15
    No one’s looking for you to agree to anything you’re just wrong.

    No
    I’m not. I was asked my opinion on matter and I have given it. That’s the direction I would like to see the club take

    Fuck off the shitty stadium name
    Bring back the old badge
    Get some proper traditional arsenal players in there and decorate the team with the exotic flair players to compliment the young talent.

    I’ve made no secret of these views
    It’s not news

  23. PieAFC

    The empty stadium will do the talking.

    So many tickets becoming likely available for fed members for games like City, Chelsea and United.

    Some emails saying up to 4 tickets per membership. (Even if it is a Christmas rouse)

    That’s a massive indictment to the current situation.

    So many tickets available. I partly agree with Un here, you take the tourists away, the day trippers. The ones who pay and will go to watch Arsenal no matter how shit – are the fans raised on The Arsenal, grew up in and around the manor and ones willing to travel to see us no matter how bad we get. Ones with a true affiliation with the club.

    We’re clearly losing that middle ground. We’re not exciting anymore to watch. Empty seats galore at Emirates.

    It’s drab and boring.

    Club can surely see that and experience that every home game.

  24. Chris

    The stadium doesn’t feel as hallowed as Highbury yet for sure, but in relative terms it is still a young stadium. Hopefully we will witness a league title claimed on home turf, a win in the Champions League semi final, all these memories to build a bond with it.

    No question we had to move, once expanding Highbury became impossible. However as has been discussed here before some items of the design and a lack of character to start with was disappointing.

    I do believe it has the ability to be a fortress in the right conditions, singing sections to improve atmosphere and obviously an improvement to what we see on the pitch. There has been plenty of times where the atmosphere has been electric and it would be great to see game in and game out. I don’t think it is an issue unique to Arsenal though, another sign of the modern game.

  25. Un na naai

    Chris

    Yeah other clubs have but other clubs have

    Terry, Cole, j cole, Lampard, Duff, Jody Morris, Glen Johnson, Sean Wright Phillips Scott Parker along with their foreign legends

    Other clubs have Gerrard, Carragher,Fowler, Owen, Sturridge, Milner, Henderson, Robertson along with their foreign legends

    They keep that tradition going. They make an effort to ensure there is that value and tradition of young British players as link to the fans.

    We don’t. Other clubs also charge their fans less than us and don’t dismiss the concerns of fans publicly.
    Chelsea still have the bridge
    Man U still have old Trafford
    Liverpool still have anfield

    We have the Abu Dhabi emirates
    It’s a sick joke. Welcome to the club who sold its brand new home’s name off for a few extra quid. How were we ever meant to take to a stadium that didn’t even have a name? It was Ashburton Grove. And we sold that off like whores

  26. Graham62

    Having a core of British players is important for any club, in England.

    No doubt the fans of Juventus/ RM/ Bayern/ Barca/ PSG etc wouldn’t be too happy if their club lost its national identity.

    If you lose the feel for the country, you lose the the feel for your club.

    That’s, imo, when it all started to go pear shape for Arsenal.

    Once the likes of Adams/ Dixon / Winterburn/ Keown/ Bould/ Parlour/ Cole/ Seaman/Wrighty left the scene, Arsenal Football Club was never quiet the same.

    Gelling them with DB10 and our wonderful French connection plus Freddie/ Gilberto/ Toure/ Lauren etc as well as Cesc/ RVP and a splattering of our nationalities worked to a degree but Walcott/ Ramsey/ Ox/ Jenkinson/ JW/ Gibbs were never going to fill that void.

    It is important to have British players at a British club, no matter what some on here may feel.

    It is only here in Britain that we truly embrace all nationalities( don’t try and convince me otherwise) but we shouldn’t ignore our own when it comes to helping to develop the team.

    Pep knows that at MC with Sterling/ Foden / Stones/ Walker. Klopp has Robertson/ Alexander-Arnold/ The Ox/ Henderson/ Milner.

    Both Chelski and Spuds also have a good core of British players.

    Providing their performances justify inclusion in the team, we. must utilise Tierney/ Holding/ Chambers / Willock/ ESR as much as we can( maybe not AMN too much) .

    After all we are a British club.

  27. Pierre

    The defensive/ holding midfield has been an ongoing problem at Arsenal for a number of years.

    The way I see it is, the holding midfielder is a player who rarely ,if ever is ahead of the ball.

    If you look at other top premier teams , they all have a more effective midfield systems than Arsenal although all are slightly different.

    Liverpool play 3 in centre midfield, and I think it’s fair to say that the 3 are rarely ahead of the ball in open play, though on occasions one will support the strikers if they are pressing to break down a defence.
    This system allows both full backs to play higher up the pitch as there is the protection from the 3 midfielders.

    Tottenham play with 2 holding midfielders under Pochettino…normally a 4-2-3-1 system .
    Recently with 2 of either ndomble, winks or sissoko , they have not been so compact as Dembele and Dier previously , who were more physically imposing and provided a very solid base for the Tottenham team …

    City only have had fernandinho as the sole holding midfielder .
    Guardiola regularly brings the full backs in narrow to give support to the midfield.

    Chelsea have no big imposing players in midfield and rely on technique and good positional awareness to stay compact . I would say it’s predominantly a 4-2-3-1 though it’s very flexible and can slip into 4-3-3 effortlessly.

    This is a work in progress , Kante, who has been out of the side recently , is the real defensive minded player in that area, though Chelsea coped fine without him.
    It will be interesting to see how their midfield pans out.

    Arsenal first need to find a midfield that is suitable to the players we have at the club.

    I cant see us playing anything similar to the city midfield , so that’s out of the equation.

    Do we have 2 disciplined midfielders who are positionally sound and will give the midfield the protection we need .

    During our unbeaten run last season it was predominantly Torreira and Xhaka holding the midfield with ozil/ Ramsey/Mhkitaryan ahead …this worked quite well until Emery started messing it about.

    After our bad run midseason , Emery used Ramsey alongside Torreira/Xhaka with Ozil ahead …this worked Very well for a spell before Ramsey was injured .

    So the conundrum for Emery is which system and which personnel should he play .

    Guendouzi is a favourite of Emery’s and yes he is potentially a very good player, however , Emery hasn’t really managed to create any effective partnership with Guendouzi in midfield.

    If you look back over the period that Guendouzi has been at the club , I would say that the midfield is more dysfunctional with Guendouzi in the side, though the performance v Burnley this season with Willock and Guendouzi at the base of midfield worked well .

    So the options , if you take into account that xhaka is out of the equation are,

    Torreira / Guendouzi
    Torreira/ Willock
    Guendouzi/Willock
    Torreira/Willock /Guendouzi.

    Against Southampton, I would like to see the willock / Guendouzi partnership, with Ozil ahead ….
    Pepe, Lacazette and Aubameyang in a 4-2-3-1.
    It must be time to play Bellerin and Tierney with a choice of 2 from sokratis/chambers/Luoz/ and Holding..

  28. Graham62

    Un na naai

    I’m with you on this.

    Those that don’t feel the same don’t understand the ethos of all Football clubs, whether they are British, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Russian etc

  29. Pierre

    Personally, it makes no difference to me what nationality anyone is within the club as long as the football on the pitch is of sufficient quality.

    If Arsenal were top of the league and playing superb football , no one would give a toss which country the players and management come from.

    Arsenal fans still talk about Adams, Keown and parlour, but in all honesty, do England produce players of this ilk any more.

    Milner is probably the last of a dying breed, all the kids come through now at the top level play a different game compared to 20/30 years ago .

    Its more about technique, intelligence and being aggressive on the ball more than off the ball.

  30. bennydevito

    Un na naaiNovember 18, 2019    18:52:29

    Marko

    You still need some core British player’s in there

    Do you really think I’d turn round and so may to the next Bergkamp, Freddy, Th14, Vieira or RvP because they aren’t British? Nope. Even the next Guendouzi or Martinelli. I love it when an exciting youngster bursts in the scene no matter where they are from

    I do feel you need that British core though.
    The likes or bergkamp, Vieira and Henry learned what it meant to be a Gunner from Keown, Adams, Dixon, Parlour and seaman, Wright and Merson

    Listen to their interviews. They all say you need that British core. That knows what it means to be arsenal. O Leary and pat rice too. It all feeds in to the the heritage

    Men like Keown, Adams, Dixon, Freddie and Pires can now feed that back to our youngsters and pass on the baton. Easily to slate the players we have but no one ever called Dixon and Winterburn world class but we’re part of the most famous back four in the prem. they don’t need to be the world’s best but they do need to be able to play for the shirt whilst being good enough. I think Holding could fall into that bracket Tierney and Willock.

    >>>>>>

    Great comment Un na nai.

    We can’t escape globalism whether you like it or not and we wouldn’t be able to keep up or compete without the worldwide TV revenue, merchandise revenue and exposure.

    As for the stadium name I get what you mean, but we needed the extra money to pay for the stadium whilst trying to stay competitive too. It was unfortunately a necessary evil but City have done it too along with a few others.

    As for shithole dessert country, you’re crossing the line there and the UAE is far more affluent than even Kensington and Chelsea, so hardly a shit hole.

  31. bennydevito

    As for a British core, we’ve now got Tierney, Willock, Holding, Chambers, Saka, Nketiah, AMN. That’s not bad going is it?

    Another promising batch in the u21s and the u18s as well.

    We’ve got more than enough of a British core to form a proper Arsenal identity, we just need a better manager/headcoach to get us winning again, then the name of our stadium and the Britishness of our players won’t matter.

  32. Pierre

    Marko
    “So little to no English players then”

    Dont speak too soon oh Irish one.

    The quality of the English youth coming through is there for all to see.

  33. Batistuta

    Can’t believe anyone is banging on about a British core in 2019 for a team that hasn’t had any successful English player in eons and for a country who haven’t won jack all in generations

  34. Pierre

    Fifa world rating of 4 is evidence of our standing in world football .

    The foreigners on here will be eating their words again , as they were in their support of Emery.

  35. azed

    “My other point was that the average tenure for a premiership is 2.5 years. So signing a 3 years contract without any exit clause is just bad contract negotiation. Not to have exit clause without compensation for failure to fullfil explicit targets is just doubling down on incompetence.”

    Valentin
    1) Nobody knows if there’s an exit clause in the contract with Emery.
    2) Gazidis was the CEO when Emery signed the contract so Gazidis would have had the final say not Raul.
    3) It is still Mathematically possible to finish in the top 4 so there’s no way you can sack Emery without paying him off.

  36. Pierre

    Marko
    “The quality of the English youth coming through is there for all to see.???
    Where”

    Sancho
    Sterling
    Mount
    Chilwell
    Rashford
    Abrahams
    Foden
    Alexander-Arnold.
    Maddison.
    Rice.
    Hudson Odoi.

    How’s that for starters…and who knows , maybe Saka, Nelson , Nketiah , Smith-Rowe maybe knocking on the door

  37. Marko

    Fifa world rating of 4 is evidence of our standing in world football .The foreigners on here will be eating their words again , as they were in their support of Emery.

    ???

  38. KAY Boss

    So some ‘English ‘ here think having majority of the players being English is a recipe for passion and success?
    For all I know the English game wasn’t pleasant enough to watch until foreigners came to the fold.
    The PL was usually hoof and chase till a certain wenger came and changed the dynamics of the PL.
    Unnecessary pride, is the reason some usually don’t want success for the English or their clubs.
    Both English and non English need each other to make the PL stand out.
    Maybe the English are usually poor to average at best except for a few exceptional ones. Cheers!

  39. G8

    Until the late 90s, and early 00s, Arsenal had identity with british legends like Adams, Bould, kewon, Seaman, Wright, Rocky, Cole, Parlour, Campbell etc
    Most of the PL teams had 90% British players back then..
    Things changed, for better or worse!

    The invincibles had only Cole and Campbell as starters if I am not mistaken, with keown and parlour used sparingly during the unbeaten run

    The club still had it’s core of Brits when the decline started a decade ago, Arsenal had British core of Ramsey, Willshere, Gibbs, Ox, Walcott, and other youth, still managed to Fuck it up..
    The million dollar question is did arsenal actually decline and loose its identity because of the influx of foreign players??..the answer for me is a big fat no…it’s the managerial incompetence and lack of forward thinking that got us where we are..
    Yes the kroenkies had a lot to do with it , and so did the Brits who sold it to them.
    The biggest fuck up certainly came from the owners who let one man run the show,
    He got too arrogant living on his past glory, too stubborn to forsee the troubles ahead,
    too smug to listen to the faithful fans who shouldn’t have questioned his authority because they didn’t manage thousands games.
    Yes he destroyed his own legacy and together with the SKs got the club to where it’s now..

    We have promising British core of players now, Holding, Chambers,Tierney, Willock, Nelson, Saka,AMN, Nkeita, ESR ..

    Still could go either way..

  40. Graham62

    So, let’s clarify.

    We do need a “British core” to make things work at Arsenal FC . Can we agree on that?

    By the way “core” does not mean “majority”.

    Some of you misinterpret quite a lot of things on here because that’s what seems to make you happy.

    The thing is, Arsenal lost its real identity the day it left Highbury. Those English players we once had, who played with their heart on their sleeve, died along with it.

    Imo, Wenger pretended to understand our clubs culture which was confirmed when he failed to continue to follow the path created in his first ten years at the helm.

    He deviated from what made our club great. A mixture of different nationalities with different technical and physical skill sets and a core of Britishness to make it all tick.

    Shoot me.

  41. Marko

    Some of you misinterpret quite a lot of things on here because that’s what seems to make you happy.

    What was misinterpreted? You were honestly pretty clear with what you were saying

  42. Marko

    The thing is, Arsenal lost its real identity the day it left Highbury. Those English players we once had, who played with their heart on their sleeve, died along with it.

    Last season at Highbury on Ashley Cole and Campbell were English and prominent in the Arsenal first team.

    He deviated from what made our club great. A mixture of different nationalities with different technical and physical skill sets and a core of Britishness to make it all tick.

    Yeah they made it all tick together.

    Shoot me.

    Smartest thing you said all day.

  43. Valentin

    Azed,

    I am not disputing that Gazidis was incompetent. I am just stating that on Emery’s contract at a minimum Raul did not compensate for Gazidis incompetence.
    The way David Moyes was sacked by ManUtd was well known, so it is not like adding break claused for not reaching quantifiable targets had never been heard of.

    According to David Ornstein , Emery’s contract does not contain any early break clause. Here a direct quote from him.

    “On the option – and I fully respect other people’s information – I’ve been told [by] multiple sources that it’s a three-year contract without a break clause. I could be wrong, it’s just what I’ve been told when asking that specific question. Either way, the outcome of this season is likely to be pivotal.”

    BTW the mathematical impossibility referred to the past season. Arsenal did not qualified for the Champion’s League, finishing out of top 4 and losing miserably in the Europa League final. So with a good contract Emery’s dismissal would have been cheap and uncontroversial.

  44. Distant legrover

    It isn’t having English or British players that’s important but having British players of good to great talent and mentality. The reason why we celebrate Adams, Keown, Dixon, Cole, etc isn’t just because they were British but because they were influential and talented British players. Justin Hoyte is British but no one ever talks about him.

    Guys like Walcott, Wilshere, Ramsey could have been those guys for us but that project didn’t work out for different reasons. Though you can argue that Ramsey influenced the team to a couple of FA cup trophies before his exit.

  45. Un na naai

    Distant

    Had those player’s had leaders like Keown and Adams around to guide them through or even weighty and platt and parlour I feel they’d have benefitted hugely
    These lads had to swim in a team bereft if identity by then

  46. Tony

    You just can’t make this sh*t up.

    Question in my mind is does Emery know what he’s instructing the players to do?

    “Arsenal stars instructed to tell Unai Emery “we don’t know what you’re doing”

    Arsenal are struggling under Unai Emery this season and former Gunners left-back Lee Dixon has called on the players to challenge their manager’s methods on the training ground”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-stars-instructed-tell-unai-20910584

    Separate note:

    West Ham looking at Benitez if the fire Pellegrino it’s being reported.

  47. China1

    Like I know it’s means to say this but is there really any point in half the games we play?

    Literally half of our international matches without fail are against teams comprised of part time electricians. Can we just save everyone the bother and declare such games a 3-0 before kick off?

    Or just organize meaningful competitive games instead?

  48. Dark Hei

    “Those English players we once had, who played with their heart on their sleeve, died along with it.”

    I could say the same of Alexis Sanchez, Bacary Sagna, Lauren, Lungberg, Koscielny, Coquelin, Martinelli…..

    Oh wait.

    Why not just say we need lots of guys who play with their hearts on their sleeve.

  49. Graham62

    Marko

    Who are you quoting in 23:31 post?

    The first paragraph was me. The second paragraph wasn’t me.

    Also, can I suggest you put quotation marks in your text as it makes it easier for the other posters to understand where you’re coming from on things.

    Wherever that is.

  50. Batistuta

    China 1

    That’s the thing isn’t it, first half decent team the English play and they crap themselves… Always good for an over 2 goals on the acca during the qualifiers though, gotta give them that…

    Look at Northern Ireland and how they’ve held their own in a group that had Netherlands and Germany pushing them all the way

  51. Batistuta

    Euros should be a good watch next sumer though minus the daftness of having different games all over the continent that is…What genius came up with such a stupid idea by the way?

    Spain will be Spain, purring with talent though you fear not having any of their strikers firing might be a problem but they’re stacked…

    Italy(my loves) Mancini is doing an absolutely magnificent job with the Azzuri…Haven’t seen the national team play with such flair since like forever… Plus having that exciting mix with the under 21s has been amazing, just hope Immobile and co keep their shooting boots till the summer

    Germany….. Kinda feel their best is way past them now, still got loads of talent but they look more vulnerable and less efficient when I’ve watched them, missing something (maybe a Mesut😉) but they’ll be there and abouts late into the tourney you feel but don’t think they’ll win it.

    France…. Griezman/ Giroud and you’re good to go…Barring any injuries you feel, Deschamps already knows what team he’s taking… Have to pray that Kante is more fit by the summer cuz Tolliso and whoever else they’ve tried in there have been men

    Portugal…. They look like they’ll go all the way again don’t they? They seem to finally be dealing with that ageing back line with of Pepe and Fonts gradually playing less, but going foward, they’re stacked and with the main man breaking all sorts of records on the International stage, with Bernardo and Felix and Guedes and Jota and Neves and co, they’re definitely favourites…

    England….Again, it would have to be how they fare when they meet the big boys,easy to do away with Kosovo and Montenegro and the likes but they need to win something and with the abundance of talent they’ve got now, the Euros is probably the best time….That defence still looks like it’ll crack, doesn’t matter if it’s Mings or Stones or Keane that’s partnered with Maguire, still looms suspect plus playing lightweight like Winks and Rice on the International stage isn’t ideal too… They loom one of the best going foward though so a matter of outscoring the opponents it will be….Oh and they need to drop Pickford for the Villa goalie.. Looks more calm and less error prone.

    Netherlands….The Oranje are back and International football is all the more colourful for it…Love watching them play to be honest, Ryan Babel turns to Leo Messi when playing for them while Depay is just brilliant. They’ve got a solid defence and a very good midfield too…Euros maybe too early for them but they would definitely be there late into the tourney.

    Belgium…… Surely the end for the most of their golden generation if they don’t actually win something now. Team is stacked to the rafters with talent so no excuses for Roberto Martinez as to why the Euros shouldn’t be the time they finally win something of note.

  52. Siddharth14

    Reading reports of Luis Enrique about to become the Manager of Spain national team. I really hope this is true. That would be one option less on the Don Raul’s list of probable Arsenal managers easily available.

  53. Bojangles

    I don’t get this “British core” thing. An English core maybe. Scotland has it’s own Fa and league as do Ireland. Scots and Irish players should be considered the same as any other player playing outside of England.

    Foreign players and/or coaches are not the problem at Arsenal. We need a management group that can identify with the club and with football in general. The first job should be to clear out the board. We have a banker a retailer and a guy who has been there since I left England. Either manage without a board (not sure what oversight they provide anyway,) or bring in new blood. Guys with a connection to Arsenal who have reasonable intelligence.

  54. Bojangles

    Batistuta, I don’t have the same confidence in Maguire as you seem to have either. He has had a number of errors chalked up against him in Internationals, as well as PL games.