AFC re-message disaster briefing as Arteta rumours resurface

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Don Raul and Edu had a little rethink after their car crash leak to Ornstein about the fans being ‘noise’ bitches.

Their new angle is a little more nuanced, a little more ‘Arsenal class.’

“We are as disappointed as everyone else with both our results and performances at this stage of the season. We share the frustration with our fans, Unai, players and all our staff as they are not at the level we want or expect.

“Things need to improve to meet our objectives for the season, and we firmly believe Unai is the right man for the job, together with the backroom team we have in place.

“We are all working intensively behind the scenes to turn things around and are confident we will.

“We never take our fantastic support for granted. We hope we can all stick together and get behind the team in this challenging period, as together we are stronger.”

Take this intel as you will, the club absolutely know what a garbage fire the Unai Emery regime is. They do not believe the club is on the path to progress. They see it as we do. They know it’s highly unlikely his tenure can be saved. They are football people, they know in far more detail than you what’s going on, and it’s not pretty.

The above statement backs the manager, because at this point, there’s no choice. They can’t come out and call him a joke and explain how they’re going to replace him shortly, that my friends would be worse PR than telling the fans they are ‘noisy ass hoes.’

What you need to look for in situations like these are the stories that enter the media seemingly out of nowhere. We’ve already had The Times report on Raul’s dinner with Jose. That wasn’t an accident. It was a gross mistake, the culinary equivalent of waking up in bed with a damp box of donner kebab on your chest with Wayne Rooney licking your chili sauce stained fingers. Rest assured, that story was planted to let the fans know that ‘ideas’ are under consideration.

Yesterday, in part two of #FreshLeaks we had a hit of ‘Arsenal still interested in Arteta.’ The source appears to be The Sun and it seems a little too specific to be a clickbait job.

The message is either an accidental leak from the club (which I doubt), a trial balloon to see what the fans think after Unai ‘safe hands’ Emery failed spectacularly, or it’s a message to Arteta to smoke him out about the renewed interest. I certainly don’t believe it’s come from Arteta’s camp, because I doubt he has a camp at this stage of his coaching career. I also don’t think he’d want to make Pep look a chump for the second time running (especially during a slump), that might be a death blow to his fledgling coaching career at City. Remember, Arsenal disrupted his relationship with Pep last time when they flaked on him after bringing him to the final stages of negotiations. I also don’t think City would brief against a highly rated member of their own staff.

With the story rebubbling, I thought it might be a good opportunity to reassert my passion for a hire of his ilk.

Arsenal need a vision of football the fans can get behind. We’re not Allegri, Conte or Mourinho types. We’re a Wengerball club whether we like it or not, and that is built on foundations of exciting possession-based football. We should be hiring someone that can deliver that to the fans.

If Arsenal were a tech start-up, we’d be prying the best product visionaries from the best places. You can either try your luck with a Steve Jobs (I’m in the 2000s Apple, obvs), which is a fruitless/expensive task, or you steal one of his underlings, like Tony Fadell (iPod VP, left to work with a VC to bring Nest to life). That’s what the big boys do. They find people with less of a name, that have good reputations, and most importantly, the blueprints for success. If you can get 50% of a legendary name’s stardust, you are on your way.

Arteta has been with Pep during two of the most successful seasons ever witnessed in the Premier League. Manchester City found new levels of brilliance. Their attacking football has been a thing of beauty, fast, intricate and devastating. Their movement off the ball is exceptional, as a team, they’re winning the league on 98 points, making the least tackles in the league. They use a positional play on the pitch to force mistakes, think of the smarts needed to teach footballers how to do that. They play a brand of cognitive football we could only dream of (read).

Why wouldn’t you want the number two of the City winning machine at Arsenal?

Arteta is on the record stating the type of football he wants to play. This from the Arsenal Magazine in 2016.

“My philosophy will be clear,”

“I want the football to be expressive, entertaining. I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition.

“We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us. I’m 100 percent convinced of those things, and I think I could do it.”

“You can have an idea of a system, but you need to be able to transform it depending on the players you have – how much pace you have upfront, how technical your team is, what types of risk you can take and whether your players are ready to take those risks.

He also talks about having players 150% committed to the cause, how he admires Pep’s drive to look to the future of where the game is going, and how he looked up to way his PSG captain Poch built love with players. That was an exciting glimpse into his mind in 2016, imagine how his ideas have developed since?

This is a player that can speak at least 4 languages, including scouser. He’s an excellent communicator. It’s also worth noting that he didn’t shame us as captain, which is a small thing, but it shows he has values. He did a very good job for us as his career declined. We were still a CL team under his watch, whatever you think of his ability at the time, he helped stabilise us during a rough period that involved Andre Santos.

He has an excellent reputation at City for being an innovator, a mentor, and a brilliant coach. Pep widely credited his assistant for developing Raheem Sterling. Players and staff constantly talk about his influence and impact on their careers.

This is Pep in October.

“He has an incredible work ethic, and he has a special talent to analyse what happens, and to find the solutions, and we talk a lot about what he believes and feels and so on,”

“He’s an incredible human being, with incredible values about what it means in the locker room and to be together, and he is already an incredible manager and he’ll have incredible success in his future.”

Fernandinho:

“For me, especially Mikel Arteta, because he played in the same position as I play. So sometimes I have private chats with him to correct some positioning or something that is wrong.

Delph, who credited him with extending his career at City.

“I think Mikel would be a fantastic manager. When the rumours were circulating about him leaving, I was thinking ‘please don’t!’ We get on very well as do all the players and staff. We’ve got a great energy and that energy is similar to what we’ve got here with England.”

The PR wins rack up for a coach that Wenger, Poch and Pep competed for when he retired.

Some say he should go to a lesser club first, but why would you? This is Pep on Arteta.

“I’m pretty sure [he’ll succeed me]. He will have success,”

Go to Newcastle to prove to Barry on Twitter you have balls? Please. Man moved to Glasgow for his career, that’s all you need to know about his character.

With Arteta, we’d be hiring in Manchester City IP, with a player that knows and loves The Arsenal. Raul and Edu could be kingmakers, just like the Barca execs were with Pep G. The experience he lacks could be covered by a more experienced assistant and first-team coach.

Would he make mistakes? Absolutely. Would it take time to get things right? You are damn right. Would it be worth it if he succeeded? 100%.

Imagine being exciting by Arsenal again?

A lot of people like to talk up the failures of career assistants. Arteta is still only 37 years old. He’s punching well above his weight for where he is in his career. He is clearly special, an obsessive, someone desperate to succeed. He is in an elite category for young coaches. I do not think this is the same as Mike Phelan making a play for a first-team coach role at Derby.

We tried safe and by the book, it failed in spectacular fashion, like I predicted. ‘Safe’ isn’t a strategy. It’s cowardice. Why not try something with a bit of vision? Hire in a manager who is a bit of an unknown. At the very worst, we’ll be playing a coherent style of football, at best, we might have landed the next big name in world football.

We don’t need a has-been manager taking us to top 4 if that’s the ceiling. We need to find a coach that can work with the tools he’s given and coach our team into the future.

That could be Arteta. I think it’s a far more palatable option than the other managers on offer. The risk is lower than people think, and if it’s between the names on offer currently, it’s Arteta all day for me.

Right, that’s my piece, I’m running for my pelter shelter, see you in the comments.

P.S. Auba, fuck the noise bitches. The fans love you. Chin up, you’re our best player. x

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  1. Tee

    Leeds

    I hope you are right on this. I’m beginning to loose trust in the Raul and Edu.I just hope they are working behind the scene to get the right coach and not another connection oriented hire like Emery

  2. TT

    You sound like you know more about this than you are letting on Pedro.

    Could it be that you have some inside info you are not sharing with us?😎

  3. andy1886

    We’re crap at defending, City are sh*t at the back, Arteta has nothing to say about the defensive side of the game and he wont have a billion pounds to outscore everyone. So I find it difficult to see how he would turn things around. Pep may be a great coach but what can he teach MA about succeeding with a second tier club (which we are right now like or not) when he’s had the luxury of coaching at the biggest clubs with the largest budgets?

  4. Bamford10

    Redtruth

    “Leicester are not top four material you f*ckin idiots. Arsenal will be above them at the end of the season.”

    Nah, you have this wrong, Red; you have Leicester wrong, and you have us wrong. Unless we sign a new midfielder or two in January, there is no chance we finish top four. And Leicester will be in in the hunt until the end. It will be a battle between Chelsea, United and Leicester for places 3rd and 4th.

  5. Guns of Hackney

    Nice write.

    I can’t wait to see the usual suspects self immolating at the thought of Areta as manager.

    He and is type was right 16 months ago and it’s still right now.

  6. ADKB

    “We’re not Allegri, Conte or Mourinho types. We’re a Wengerball club whether we like it or not…”

    Agreed. That’s why I’d rather take a punt on a young manager like Arteta, Howe or Gerrard. Lampard isn’t too badly at Chelsea. Brendan Rogers? Maybe, just maybe.

  7. Bamford10

    At this point I’d almost like to see Emery replaced with Arteta. We’d be in 15th place by February, and this we-have-great-players-we-just-have-a-poor-manager narrative would be dead as dead.

  8. Matt

    Arteta arguably is the most qualified manager with no managerial experience if you get what I mean. There can’t be any knowledge of how Pep and City operate he doesn’t know. So it then comes down to two unknowns;

    1) Does he have the personality and man-management skills to be an elite manager?
    2) Can he operate and deliver success within the bollix structure AFC currently operate where three people think they’re the DoF? If I was him I’d demand more power and influence over buying and selling as AFC clearly haven’t got the DoF model to work yet.

  9. Receding Hairline

    “A lot of people like to talk up the failures of career assistants. Arteta is still only 37 years old. He’s punching well above his weight for where he is in his career. ”

    No he isn’t. He is one of the assistants to one of the best managers to ever work in the game. Pep has done revolutionary things without Arteta and will continue to do so.

    “He is clearly special, an obsessive, someone desperate to succeed.”

    very little evidence to back this up

    “He is in an elite category for young coaches.”

    Ditto..no evidence at all.

    I am down with Arteta as coach, it is worth a try but you are seriously over selling it.

  10. Bamford10

    It’s interesting that yesterday’s hipster favorite Mauricio Pochettino gets so little stick or criticism here despite his having a good Spurs team in 14th place in the PL.

    Double standards?

  11. Ishola70

    Don’t disagree with visionary coach but this Arteta has been in a regime that has spent millions, upon millions. upon millions, upon millions. And then some more millions on top of that.

    And the cherry on top Guardiola.

    Nice tools Arteta has there at Man City.

    Very nice regime to be in.

  12. Guns of Hackney

    Andre Boas was a prototype that failed, not because of is ability, but age. No one respected him. Fast forward and now we’re seeing many more coaches around the 40 year old mark.

    Arteta will be fine. A savvy guy, misunderstood by the plebs on this site who can’t see the big picture.

  13. Ishola70

    tbf Arteta is not punching above any weight.

    He got a plumb job there at Man City.

    He landed the lottery as far as assistant coaches appointments goes.

    And he got it because of his Barca links with Guardiola however good people think Arteta could be. His Barca link with Guardiola was paramount in him landing the plummest of plum assistant roles. Jobs for the boys. Keep it in the family.

    But visionary coach not a bad idea overall.

  14. Bamford10

    Hilarious that Charlie thinks my observations from October of 2018 — before Puel was fired — are somehow damning. Right, Puel didn’t have them playing well; this is why he was fired.

    No one is saying that Rodgers is not a big part of why they are doing so well. They also happen to have better PL players than us, though.

    So I didn’t see all that much in the Leicester side we beat 3-1 in October of 2018. So what? They were being mismanaged, and they didn’t look all that great. Note too that I was responding to all of the hype around Leicester at that time.

    Wait, why would there have been hype around Leicester in October of 2018? Well, it was because many people thought they had a good group of players. Turns out they did; Puel was just mis-using them.

  15. Guns of Hackney

    Arteta taking over at Madrid = bad juju
    Arteta taking over Arsenal is like managing a bad pub side.

    He’ll do fine.

  16. raptora

    Read somewhere on the previous pages Red saying it’s our worst start since 2003 or smth. In fact it’s not. This is from TheAthletic:

    “The dissatisfaction among Arsenal supporters towards Unai Emery appears to have peaked following Saturday’s defeat at Leicester City, which confirmed their worst start to a top-flight season since 1982-83.”

    We’ve never started this bad under Wenger in any of his 22 years in charge. We’ve never started this bad under George Graham in any of his 9 years in charge. We’ve never started this bad under Don Howe in any of his 3 years in charge.

    It’s our worst start in 37 years. You cannot tell me that this is the worst Arsenal squad in the last 37 years. There are no excuses for Emery. None.

  17. Tee

    GOH

    Isn’t it baffling enough when you read certain posters who supported and still supporting Emery having a say in what type of a manager arteta could become?

    Bamford

    Arteta won’t have us in 15th place by January cos you don’t have any evidence to back it up.

    That your lord Emery can’t do doesn’t mean others can’t. It ain’t an impossible job.

    Bamford, apart from Emery, who do you think can take us forward?

  18. Bamford10

    Raptora

    We’re in 6th place in a very, very competitive PL — maybe the most competitive PL in twenty years. We have a weak squad, with probably the 7th best first 14 in the league. The sky is not falling; we’re more or less where we should be given the quality of our squad versus the quality of the PL. Everything else that is being said is noise.

  19. Wasi

    Emery out. Aight i said it. Thought maybe i should wait till December but the man is intent on making Arsenal a mid table club. A place where he’d thrive.
    Arteta is obviously available and unless we can get someone more proven like Nagelsmann i think Arteta should be our go to guy. Marko Rose is also a very exciting name right now but if Arteta can bring the City philosophy to Arsenal then Arteta it is. We might need 3-4 years with him but it would be a project that the club could get behind. Emery has been a disaster which needs cleaning up soon. Although i feel for Freddie , with all this going he might be thinking that he is in the running for the job too but I guess if it is between Arteta and Freddie it would be Arteta who would win out . Anyways the Arteta -Freddie combo in the dugout would be sleek unless ofc Freddie’s ego gets in the way.

  20. raptora

    Bamford:”It’s interesting that yesterday’s hipster favorite Mauricio Pochettino gets so little stick or criticism here despite his having a good Spurs team in 14th place in the PL.”

    I don’t even like Poch, but you know Bamford, he’s actually did great at Spuds and you know what, he’s actually moved spuds forward you know. In his 5 seasons in charge spuds became a big team. Their last 2nd place int he League was in 1962/63, some 57 years ago, their last 3rd place was in 1989/90, some 30 years ago.

    How can you compare what Poch has done for spuds, aka elevated them to the next level, to our doofus who’s given us our worst start in 37 years?

    Get some sleep!

  21. CG

    Surely, Surely, Surely the Preeminent PedRo will have to start invoicing us for this stuff?

    Its too good to be FREE! Nothing is Free!

    (Many, many thanks.)

    Re: Arteta

    I , too ,used to believe in Fairy Tales: but Arteta wont be joining Arsenal as Head Coach.

    Without question -he was the right man- first time around .
    But that Ship has Sailed.

    He wont be coming anywhere near us ( not whilst we have the Treacherous Dopes we currently have in charge).

    We are destitute, mentally shredded and on a unstoppable Road to Oblivion.
    This club under KSE is unsalvageable.

    He is bright, savvy, shrewd – HE KNOWS this too.

    this is a club that:

    Pays David Luiz £ 30 million in wages.
    Pays £10 million in wages and loan fee to Cebellos
    Pays £70 million to a one footed player who is 24 and has had one good season in the french league.
    Pays £30 million for a Scottish crock.
    Gives players like Ramsey away.
    And Intends to Pays wages to man so insipid as Edu for 5 years.

    Arteta Aint happening- unless he has completely lost his marbles too!

    We will hire in more dross- thats a Given!

  22. Ishola70

    Bamford

    “maybe the most competitive PL in twenty years”

    The return of Brendan Rodgers to the EPL after his hiatus in Scotland made it thus.

  23. Bamford10

    Tee

    Before I even consider your question, why don’t you answer the question I asked you the other day? You were one of those two, weren’t you? I think you were. So again: when did you decide that Wenger was the problem and that he had to go?

    Tell me that, and I would be happy to think about and talk about what kinds of managers I think would be right for Arsenal going forward.

  24. Tee

    GOH

    Lol. Mustafi and ballin d’or?

    Mustafi needs to be sold, fact.

    Won’t you believe that mustafi actually said he is improving under Emery, that Emery has been working on him and Wenger obsessives lapped it up to attack Wenger. What happened next?

    The rhetoric changed

  25. UTarse

    “ Wait, why would there have been hype around Leicester in October of 2018? Well, it was because many people thought they had a good group of players. Turns out they did; Puel was just mis-using them.”

    So by the same token why can’t some believe the same for Arsenal today ? We have some great players but a manager who appears unable to blend them and get the the best out of them hence he has to go.

    The real irony for me is how some fans on here (including me) wanted the club to be a lot less patient (wenger outstayed his welcome for many years), more demanding and now all of a sudden they are willing to give a manager more time when the evidence is clear that he is not capable to turn this slide around…. ala wenger…

  26. raptora

    We are 8 pts from 4th place and 9 pts from relegation zone. No need to panic boys. We’re doing good. Time is on our side… …. …. …. ………….

  27. Bamford10

    Raptora

    I agree that Pochettino has done some good stuff at Spurs. He’s also had some very good squads — much better squads than we have at present. However, he also now has a very good Spurs squad in 14th place. What say you about that? Who is that on, exactly?

  28. raptora

    From the Athletic:
    “The Gunners already find themselves eight points behind the Champions League places and having statistically — and many would argue stylistically — regressed since Arsene Wenger left in 2018, fans are seemingly unified in the view that after 18 months as head coach, Emery should be sacked.”

    Not that unified I guess. We got Bamford here telling us that the sky is not falling.

  29. Tee

    Bamford

    I decided it’s over for Wenger and the board when top 4 is a 🏆 mantra started. It was then I got to know that the board and owner were just after the money that comes with UCL. No more no less.

    Though that didn’t turn me to a fan like you who tried to discredit all of Wenger’s achievements

    I still see him as one the people who uplifted our club though it ended badly cos he overstayed his welcome.

  30. raptora

    Bamford,
    To have time for a manager that has elevated your squad in every single year of his ruling, compared to a manager who’s fked up everything he’s touched since he’s came here. You think it’s the same?

  31. Nelson

    Three weeks ago, we were above Leicester City and Chelsea. Now we are 9 points behind. Look at Manure and SPUDS, one is one point and the other is three points behind us. Do you think that they’ll pass us by January?

    I have a strong feeling that we’ll put our priority on the Europa Cup competition soon. Raul told us that we have hired an expert in that competition. We has the right man for that.

  32. Chitom

    If you repeat something often enough it just might become gospel-like.

    Liverpool don’t have technically well rounded midfielders ,it’s just Klopp using the right system to hide their deficiencies.
    Why not, it sounds plausible, right?
    Except, 40 passes between Fabinho and Wijnaldum in the first , match deciding half v City , with only one going astray.

    I’m all for Arteta at this point but let’s not pretend he’d be anything other than just another gamble , just like Emery was.

  33. raptora

    Without having too much info on Stevie G and his managerial skills, I could get behind him. He has always looked like a very intelligent player, a real role model, warrior and a massive leader. He would be so, so ambitious and professional to make a name for himself that it wouldn’t matter he’s a scouser legend. Seeing what Lampard has done at Chelsea, I feel like it could be a similar story with Stevie G and us.

  34. Ishola70

    Nelson
    “I have a strong feeling that we’ll put our priority on the Europa Cup competition soon.”

    Europa League or bust.

    The board threw to the starving peasants one square meal in the shape of Nicolas Pepe and they thought the holy grail of top four would be a procession. A walk in the park.

    Was never to be.

    Europa League or bust.

    Good enough for Jose Mourinho and Manchester United.

    Good enough for this present Arsenal and Emery.

    But that is where the comparison. One achieved the objective. The other will not.

  35. Akan

    Can someone please tell me whether or not any member of the first team has improved or have they got worst, apart from Xhaka who was piss poor from the start, under this coach (Emery) someone please tell me please

  36. Receding Hairline

    “Brendon Rodgers or Steve Gerrard please”

    Now Gerrard is an interesting one

    Klopp’s comments the other day though on wanting him to succeed him at Liverpool might put a spanner in the works, why appoint a guy who will dump you for where he is loved the moment they whistle

    Now those are guys you can say have a will to succeed and drive and you have evidence to back it up, sitting down beside Guardiola for the third year running isn’t evidence of drive or will to succeed

  37. Bamford10

    Tee

    That’s an evasion, and a typical one for a certain sort. “over for Wenger and the board”? Yeah, that’s different from what I asked. I didn’t ask when you thought it was “over,” and I never said anything about the board. You have brought in this language in an effort to protect Wenger.

    So again: when did you determine that Wenger was the problem and had to go? Or, is it the case that you never determined this, because you never really came around to the view that Wenger was the problem? This is what I suspect. Feel free to correct me on this, though.

  38. Tee

    Chitom

    I might have exaggerated that little but don’t tell me you will pick the midfield of Liverpool over that of man City baring fabinho.

    Liverpool players believe in klopp’s work and are ready to fight for him. Same applies to man City, chesea and Leicester but not us.

    You can tell us who Henderson or. Windjnaup would bench in man City 11

  39. Valentin

    If we assume that we need to reach 72 PTS to get Champion’s League, we need to make 55 PTS out of the remaining 26 games.

    Again assuming that we are to lose to ManCity and Liverpool, draw at Spurs. Add one defeat between Chelsea, ManUtd, Leicester, Wolves.
    That means 54 PTS out of 22 games. That’s league competing level of result over a full season.

    54 PTS is also 18 victories out of 22 games or 17 victories and 3 draws.
    So statistically if we don’t win the next three games, in order to get Champion’s League football via the league position, we will have to win nearly all our winnable remaining games.
    Lose those 3 games and we would have to beat ManUtd, Chelsea, Wolves, Leicester. Do not win the next 5 games and we would need to win against ManCity and Liverpool to reach 72 points.

    In short unless Raul and Edu act swiftly, Champion’s League football via the league will be already out of reach before Christmas.

  40. Champagne Charlie

    “So I didn’t see all that much in the Leicester side we beat 3-1 in October of 2018. So what? They were being mismanaged, and they didn’t look all that great. Note too that I was responding to all of the hype around Leicester at that time.“

    Your gig is up on the matter chief, go sit in the corner.

    You weren’t responding to any hype around Leicester, that was the game you watched a recording of after everyone saw it live and you were giving a play by play following an immense performance from us, and Ozil in particular.

    You were tempering his performance because Leicester were nothing of note. But now they’re hanging from the back of a bulldog because that’s your current core value. Save it.

  41. Nelson

    Why Arsenal always shoots itself in the foot. First it was Ozil. Then it was Xhaka. Who the fuck started this Auba story?

    Not everything is Emery’s fault, I admit.

  42. Champagne Charlie

    For those that may have missed the comical moment late last night, here’s Leicester’s resident cheerleader following our 3-1 win against them last season:

    “Bamford10 October 23, 2018 01:29:13
    This Leicester City team has little to nothing going for it. People need to chill on whatever praise they think we deserve for this match.”

    “Bamford10 October 23, 2018 08:46:06
    Ozil was fantastic. His best performance for Arsenal in a very long time, maybe ever. However, we now need to see him play that way regularly and against better competition…………… it’s looking more and more like Emery knows what he is doing, though again, the real tests are still to come.”

    Case closed on taking his recent Leicester view with anything bar a bucket of salt.

    “Paulinho October 22, 2018 21:53:17
    TR7 – I fear we are not good enough to acquire the required points against top sides to mount a title challenge, but we definitely have the squad to consistently beat everyone outside the top six. United won the league doing that a few years back so I wouldn’t completely write off a challenge“

    Same goes for his nuance brother who felt last season the squad was just shy of title winning quality. But weirdly ended the season claiming player poverty, and continues that stance this season.

  43. Bamford10

    Churlish

    No, I wasn’t “tempering” Ozil’s performance at all. You’re really not a very good reader — of anything. I was responding to the hype (here and elsewhere) around Leicester and to what I had seen in our 3-1 win over them. As for Ozil, I made it very clear that I thought he was fantastic that day; the only “tempering” I did was to say that we needed to see that kind of play from him on a more consistent basis. Indeed, far from trying to “temper” my assessment of Ozil’s play, when Marko began deriding Ozil the next day, I told him that it was a little strange to be criticizing Ozil the day after he was straight genius in a match for us.

    So, no.

  44. Marc

    Pedro

    You’ll never convince me that Arteta at this stage of his career isn’t a risk however right now we have nothing to lose.

    So stop talking about it lock him in the boot of your car and drive him down to London Colney!

  45. Marc

    For once Valentin is right on the money.

    I have my doubts however that the next 4 “winnable” fixtures will see 12 points the way things are going. Currently I cant’ see much past 8 and that might be optimistic.

  46. Bamford10

    Again, it’s hilarious that Charlie thinks my observations from October of 2018 — before Puel was fired — are somehow damning.

    Right, Puel didn’t have Leicester playing well; this is why he was fired.

    So I didn’t see all that much in the Leicester side we beat 3-1 in October of 2018. So what? They were being mismanaged, and I missed some of their underlying quality and qualities. I’m a reasonably intelligent person; I’m not fucking omniscient.

    You can see my earlier full reply to Charlie on this point above at 09:43:19.

  47. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    Nope, you’re just wriggling. Everyone was raving about the match and in you came to put the brakes on that, and Ozil masterclass, claiming it was only Leicester:

    “People need to chill on whatever praise they think we deserve for this match.“

    Wasn’t a ‘Leicester are awesome but not living up to it moment’ as you’re embarrassingly trying to paint it. Go have a sit down Picasso

  48. Bamford10

    Churlish

    No, now you’re just being dishonest, as is your wont. Anyone who wants to should go back and review the record and decide for themselves. They will see that Charlie is misrepresenting the situation, as he often does.

  49. Chitom

    Tee
    I suggest you might way to rewatch the City game ,for if you did you’d see that Wijnaldum was better than any City midfielder on the day.

    Firmino is as technically gifted as any City player and he camps out deep half the time.

    Henderson and Milner complement the other three with solid old fashioned brute force and determination.

    I would say Liverpool are more balanced than City.

  50. Champagne Charlie

    😂😂

    That’s the THIRD time you’ve posted that comment, how stressed and embarrassed are you over a blog lad? Hahahaha

    You get things spectacularly wrong at times, get over yourself. This is one of those times where your logic and consistency has left the building.

  51. Bamford10

    Tee

    First, tell me the year you determined Wenger was the problem and had to go. You still haven’t done that.

    As for your question, this is obvious to anyone with eyes, and to anyone who watched late Wenger carefully. Wenger didn’t do organization — he left this to the players and to the game — and he didn’t do discipline. Any competent, modern manager would have brought more organization and discipline to the team than Wenger did. Emery is that; Emery has done that.

  52. CG

    PedRo

    “””””””that wasn’t an accident. It was a gross mistake, the culinary equivalent of waking up in bed with a damp box of donner kebab on your chest with Wayne Rooney licking your chili sauce stained fingers.”””””””””””””

    That cant be Free???

  53. David Smith

    Thanks Pedro for trying to make a bit of sense of whats going on, not an easy job.
    Would have been wary of Arteta when Wenger left, was an Allegri man at that point, but would kill for Arteta now.
    Have read one of the things that went against him was a lack of backroom team, if we do choose Arteta, hopefully he will have Freddie, and some very impressive contacts, he needs to get organising.

  54. Graham62

    B10

    Having a sip of my mid morning coffee.

    Define Emery’s concept of organisation and discipline.

    I’m intrigued. Don’t forget to use the word “competent” in your answer.

    Don’t base your hypothesis on Wenger’s methods.

    That’s like jumping from base camp 1 to the summit of Everest in one fell swoop.

  55. Bob N16

    ‘More organisation and discipline’ says Bamford.
    That’s making Arsenal supporters do cartwheels at the moment. ‘Our performances are shit but at least we’re more organised and disciplined’.
    WTF are you on?

    Get some rest Bamford.

  56. Champagne Charlie

    Worst start to a league in 37 years but I can see the headlines everywhere…

    ‘Abject Arsenal more organised and disciplined under Emery, what must be going on?’

  57. David Smith

    Anyone any ideas who was behind those leaks about Arteta using fines from players to buy Ivan an expensive watch? As much as I like Arteta, really hope he didnt do that

  58. raptora

    CC, Here’s something that is even more Bamford in a nutshell. People thought that he was still banned but Pedro had mass unbanned everyone. This is the day of our first game in the 19/20 EPL season. It’s the ONLY Bamford comment for the day. It’s the only Bamford comment until September 17th where he ofc comes to defend Emery.

    Bamford10August 11, 2019 20:12:46
    “Told you Solskjaer knows what he’s doing.”

    Guy, are you really a fan of Arsenal?

  59. raptora

    First and last comment for months, on the opening day of the season. Everyone’s been waiting the beginning of the season. The hype to watch our favorite team play official games again. Your team wins and all you have in your mind is a manager of another team?! Something’s wrong, guy.

  60. Valentin

    Pedro,

    I am astounded by the lack of media awareness or savvyness of Arsenal upper management.

    Like you said having dinner with Mourinho in a public place was stupid. If Raul really want to meet Mourinho (not necessarily to offer him the job, maybe just to sound him on the squad, …), He could have just decided to meet him in a private neutral place. There is enough private club and hotel that not doing it is just carelessness categorised.

    Trying to use Ornstein as the Arsenal official off-the-record mouthpiece is a dumb move. Any PR knows that you spread your leaks across two to three reporters to avoid that aspect. Everything that Ornstein is now tainted with leak from Arsenal.

    Rule 1 of marketing business, you never attack you clients in general. Even if they are the dumbest of the world, you never do a Ratner.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner

    That attempt of testing the water by leaking that Arteta is back in the running could backfire spectacularly. Imagine if they decide to stick with Emery because he has a few victories. Next slump would be open revolt. Or worse Arsenal courts him and ask for ManCity to be allowed to speak with him and Arteta refuse the job.

  61. Bamford10

    Raptora

    You’re joking, right? People express their opinions (favorable or unfavorable) of other clubs’ managers and players here all of the time. People celebrate being right about this or that (often unrelated to Arsenal) all of the time. There are people here who have spent large amounts of time singing the praises of SPURS players and the SPURS manager. Yet my being pleased that Solskjaer is proving me right on that point is somehow unacceptable? Fuck off. What complete nonsense. This is the hypocritical, unfair bullshit I was telling Marko about the other day. Complete bullshit.

    You lot just can’t get the better of me in an argument, so you get frustrated and throw stones. That’s what’s really going on here. At least for the good-natured ones. For the other sort, it’s something else, something darker and uglier. But that is a whole other matter.

  62. Champagne Charlie

    Rap

    Seriously? Christ that’s just plain odd. Some folk get their jollies off being correct about things, so much so they lose sight of the basic principles at play here.

    We’re all Arsenal fans.

    Imagine getting rock hard for the manager of United and goading others that they’ll finish above us? Weird.

  63. HighburyLegend

    “For the other sort, it’s something else, something darker and uglier.”

    “Come with me, and thou shall discover the power of the Dark Side.”
    (lol)

  64. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Right, something is wrong with me, because I have lots of opinions about lots of different footballing questions. Kind of like …. most guys here. Further, I like the idea that there is something wrong with my attitude towards Arsenal Football Club when there are people here who are actively rooting for Arsenal to lose (and celebrating when we do lose) because they’ve soured on the new manager. Great point.

  65. Champagne Charlie

    “You lot just can’t get the better of me in an argument, so you get frustrated and throw stones. That’s what’s really going on here. At least for the good-natured ones. For the other sort, it’s something else, something darker and uglier. But that is a whole other matter.“

    😂😂 fuck me this lad is unhinged.

    What’s the darker and uglier that’s going on?

  66. CG

    Look

    It aint Arteta, it aint Jose, it aint Rafa B or anyone exciting, proven or competent.

    We are just dragging this nonsense along until Enrique jumps aboard the gravy train.

    He will want to start afresh in the new year- see Christmas out with the family and then head to London

    Enrique will be in position 2020.

    Zzzzzzzz

  67. raptora

    Bamford,
    It’s whatever. I just find it ludicrous that Arsenal play their first game and you don’t come here to comment Arsenal. You come here to comment on another team’s manager. Game after game after game you don’t comment for weeks and weeks, but then the heat on Emery is on and you show up here on your white horse defending Emery, finding literally all the excuses in the world for a manager doing an awful job in our favorite club. You’re a troll it’s what you are.

    That’s my opinion and I’ll stop it right here.

  68. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Everything you’ve said above is nonsense. And I only asked about your being Nigerian because I wanted to make a point about how Charlie speaks to certain Nigerian posters. Not a big deal.

    You’ve got my commentary completely wrong, though.

  69. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Again, most of what you’ve said there is inaccurate and wrong. And I love the idea that I’m a “bad fan” because I am being reasonable about the new manager and doing what the Edu, Sanllehi and Venkatesham have explicitly asked the fans to do. Great point.

  70. Bamford10

    Meanwhile you lot hysterically call for the manager’s head, disparage him and insult him endlessly, and allow people here to say openly racist things against Spaniards. Yet I’m the “bad fan”. Great point.

  71. Words on a Blog

    At present and after 12 matches, we have 16 points, or 1.33 points a game. As Valentin has pointed out, getting to 4th place will require something in the region of 72 points (on the basis of what happened last year), or 56 points from our 26 remaining matches. This equates to 2.15 points per game. This would equate to 82 points for a full season, and represents a 40% over our currents performance.

    A few obvious points can be made from this:

    1) there is a vanishingly small chance that Emery will be able to radically improve our performance by 40% and get us into the top 4

    2) it will be very very hard for whoever comes next to do so

    3) if top4 is already very nearly a write-off, this may be the right time for Raul
    And Edu to undertake a radical experiment with an untested person like Arteta or someone else young and visionary but with relatively limited experience

  72. Receding Hairline

    “Christ that’s just plain odd. Some folk get their jollies off being correct about things, so much so they lose sight of the basic principles at play here.We’re all Arsenal fans.”

    Bamford is by no means the only poster guilty of this

    “look at me i was right all along” is a general issue here

  73. Bamford10

    Patrick Vieira on the situation: “I think he [Emery] has enough experience to get them through this difficult spell. We have to get behind him & give him time to change things. I am not sure a change of manager will fix the problems.”

    But I’m the “bad Arsenal fan”. Right.

  74. raptora

    Bamford.
    Coming from you. The head chief of using abusive words towards Wenger and the AKBs. Being an AKB was understandable cause you know Wenger had actually achieved success for our club in the first part of his reign, and through playing great football.

    But to defend Emery, a complete random manager who got the chance to coach us, who’s done more wrong than right for us, that none of us should feel affiliated to, and a big part of the fanbase certainly don’t… Is weird. Much more weird than defending Wenger.

    If you find logic in what you’re doing, you do you.

  75. Bamford10

    Receding

    Even that’s not right. I like being right — who doesn’t? — but I don’t give a fuck about “having been right all along”. I only care that certain positions were correct all along, like that Wenger was the problem. That I personally held this or that view isn’t especially important to me. It only becomes important when one of my devoted harassers, like Charlie, tries to have a go at me.

  76. Paulinho

    “Wouldn’t completely write off a title challenge but we don’t have players for top 4 these days. Alright mate”

    Charlie you dense idiot.

    I completely stand by that.

    If Ramsey, Bellerin, Welbeck, Holding had stayed fit we had the mixture of talents to stay in contention until March at least. Emery was doing a superb job of realising our first eleven was not the best, and rotating accordingly.

    And find anything I’ve said in the past that contradicts that. Have I not said consistently we are weaker this season that last season? Yeah I have. Sit back down you muppet.

  77. Bamford10

    Raptora

    “but to defend Emery, a completely random manager”

    How long must a manager have managed Arsenal before you regard him as Arsenal manager? Do tell.

  78. Words on a Blog

    Bamford,

    Ultimately the consistency or integrity of what poster x or y posts over time is immaterial.

    If the facts change people change their minds: it’s what I and many people on here have done.

    There’s no shame in that, only logic.

  79. Micheal

    Arteta:

    An interesting perspective on Arteta is that Pep G is probably in the final stages of his time as City. Pep’s contract ends in 18 months and he needs extra time to rebuild and replace quality players like Kompany, Aguero, Fernandinho, etc. I doubt he has the appetite to start again.

    Is Arteta the chosen one to replace Pep ?

    My feeling is that, if Raul and Edu have identified Arteta for Arsenal, they should move quickly.

  80. Bamford10

    Words

    Yeah, I agree with all of that. The problem is you think you have “the facts” on your side, but you don’t, because you’re only looking at certain facts and not others. I’ve now explained this many times, though, so I don’t see this discussion going anywhere. You never got around to responding to my long answer to you re squad quality yesterday, though. Or did you?

  81. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    You don’t have any devoted harassers, you have a myriad of folk intolerant to your pompous attitude, and self-appointed authoritative voice on Le Grove.

    Whether it’s lines about ‘being here longer’ than another, or whether it’s about ‘how we do things here’, you’re insufferable.

  82. raptora

    RH: “look at me i was right all along” is a general issue here”

    It’s a general issue everywhere. But it’s weird how someone comes here only to say something like that on the first game of the season of his “favorite” team and then not show up for weeks.

  83. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    Words is one of these guys who thinks Leicester’s finishing 18 points behind us last season is proof positive that they cannot possibly have better players than we do. You have done a good job of dealing with this point previously, but I can’t seem to track any of those discussions down. If you have a second, could you speak to this? Cheers.

  84. Champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    Yes lad, we were a fit Bellerin and Welbz away from an outside title tilt.

    Just not enough quality to negotiate our last 6 games for top 4.

  85. Paulinho

    Bamford – Charlie wanted Perez in the summer, he wanted Tielemans in Jan (and criticised the board not getting him). That’s one of the reasons he doesn’t want to go into detail about personnel and the mechanics of why Leicester are better than last season.

  86. Bamford10

    Churlish

    “You don’t have any devoted harassers”

    This from a guy who has literally harassed me every day here for three years.

  87. Words on a Blog

    Bamford,

    Nope, didn’t respond. The argument about squad quality has been rehashed to death and I don’t intend to go through a player by player analysis of why this years squad is demonstrably better than last years.

    If you choose to believe our problems are the result of a deterioration in the quality of our squad that’s your prerogative.

    I’d just observe that 99% of people would disagree with you.

  88. Receding Hairline

    Patrick Vieira on the situation: “I think he [Emery] has enough experience to get them through this difficult spell. We have to get behind him & give him time to change things. I am not sure a change of manager will fix the problems.”

    Shut up Patrick your EKB

    A hysterical change of coach, anyone apart from Emery seems to be the theme, is what we need right now.

  89. Ishola70

    Paulinho

    “Charlie wanted Perez in the summer, he wanted Tielemans in Jan”

    Why would he want those for?

    They play for a pub village side in the Midlands.

  90. Ishola70

    RH

    “Shut up Patrick your EKB”

    They are everywhere.

    Emery’s oozing charisma has seen to it that he has a mass army of devoted fans only a year and a bit into his Arsenal tenure.

  91. HighburyLegend

    “Shut up Patrick your EKB ”

    Ah ah ah!!
    More seriously, instead of giving your opinion, dear Pat, why won’t you jump on board with us ??

  92. Bamford10

    Paulhino

    Hilarious. I also love that these guys are not interested in player to player comparisons between the two teams — as Benny has done — but would prefer to draw inferences from a nine month season (which involves countless factors other than player quality) in which one of the two clubs was forced to fire their manager halfway through. Right, that makes sense.

  93. Valentin

    My take is that this season and the next one is a write-off.
    Raul is unlikely to act soon. By the time he make the decision to sack Emery, never mind top 4, just qualifying for Europe may even be a struggle.
    Once Champion’s League is a mathematical impossibility, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Torreira will want to jump ship. As both our strikers will in the last year of their contracts, we won’t be in a position of force to negotiate new deals. Their replacement will therefore have to be cheaper. Cheaper does not necessarily bad, but it is likely to mean inexperienced younger player with potential. So they’ll need time to adjust to the club, the league AND to grow into that position.

    With that in mind next season would be in fact the first of the club rebuild. Basically we would have wanted two years after Wenger departure.

    Of course that assumes that Raul would select a good manager to replace our current one. There is no guarantee that he will select the right man. So things could get a lot worse before they get better.

  94. Paulinho

    Ishola – TR7 asked me (like he often does) to get me to be committal about something if I’m praising something he doesn’t like or whatever, so he actually brought up the title challenge thing out of nowhere. I would’ve never mentioned it otherwise.

    But I think we easily had it in us to keep on beating the rest of the league, and stay in contention.

    We finished with 75 points. If Bellerin, Holding, Ramsey, Welbeck(playing his way into Emery’s plans) had stayed fit consistently we would’ve easily got another ten points at least and that is 85, so not a title winning total but easily enough to be seen as challenging.

  95. Bamford10

    By the way, does anyone remember the time when Charlie was so committed to defending Wenger that he argued that we did not actually gain an advantage when our opponent went down to ten men? I do. That was priceless.

  96. Receding Hairline

    Ishola they want a new coach but are already making excuses ahead for time for any difficulties he might encounter, one even wants a new DM and left sided Defender before any improvement can be seen. I wonder why the new coach needs this and the present idiot doesn’t.

    If you are going to bring in someone only to say “well he failed because the first guy failed” why not let the first guy right his mess and look for someone long term who can undertake a project.

    Rather than this Benitez and Jose murmuring.

    One even suggested Sam Allardyce yesterday.

  97. Bojangles

    Well it took less than 5 mins to read the comments toniight. 80% are either from Bamford or directed at Bamford. Scrolled past all of them.

    Valentin, you maybe should have cited the site you got your information from re number of points we require for top 4. Read that almost verbatim yesterday.

  98. Words on a Blog

    Receding,

    Either as fans or as club management,
    it’s not “hysterical” to want to change your
    Coach if he underperforms (e.g. Puel)or does not “click” with players and fans (Sarri).

    Yes it does represent a risk, but plenty of clubs have done it before and will do it in the future. Outside Arsenal, it’s just a routine part of football

  99. Paulinho

    Interesting people referring to that Leicester game at the Emirates.

    If you remember the first half of that game Leicester were the better team by quite a bit. They were penning us back with some lovely build up play. But as was the case with Leicester back then, they never seemed to strike while on top, and they dropped off in the second half.

    Schmeichel was furious post-match, and refused to give credit to us because he was so angry that they stopped pressing and let the likes Ozil receive the ball under no pressure.

  100. Receding Hairline

    “Once Champion’s League is a mathematical impossibility, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Torreira will want to jump ship.”

    Yes because Torriera was always a regular champions league competitor before his move here not some kid struggling at a mid table Italian club. Torriera leaves Arsenal he does not move to a club above us in prestige or standing, i can guarantee that.

    Lacazette has not really done anything since arriving here to demand Champions league football and in hindsight should have been put on the market this summer. We had both him and Auba in a final with an already qualified Chelsea and i don’t think they mustered a shot on target. Stop placing this players at levels they have not earned, they are not doing anyone a favor playing here.

  101. Ishola70

    I presume all this talk of title challenges or outside tilts at the title was made during the unbeaten run.

    It’s been said so many times before that those run of fixtures were quite kind to Arsenal and the duration of them.

    Forget home matches.

    A team can have a good home record in any league but not be seen as a very good team overall. They have to back it up with away performances as well and Arsenal were not playing any real headache teams away from home in that run.

    And the length of that unbeaten run was bolstered by second tier Europa League matches and some beer cup matches.

    When I saw this season’s fixture list at the start of the campaign knew and said on here that we would not see another unbeaten run like the last just because of the fall of the fixtures pretty early on.

  102. Receding Hairline

    WOAB it’s hysterical when phrases like “anyone but Emery is used”..it signifies change just for change sake and i am very glad Raul and Edu are not falling for that.

    Edu was coached by Emery for a season in 2008/09 so he very much knows what his capabilities are. I see nothing wrong in two men making a decision to back the man they trusted to do a job just a few months ago simply because the fans are baying for blood.

    Would you also take Sam Allardyce just to satisfy your craving for a change?

  103. Paulinho

    Ishola – We didn’t flow during those games (mainly because Emery was playing Rambo at 10) but Emery was constantly making sub at half-time and winning games with the squad in the second half. So might not have looked great on the old XG stats but we always finished games looking the stronger. The squad were fresh and no reason we couldn’t keep doing.

    Brighton game was prime example of injuries effecting that serene run. 1-0 up, looking comfortable, and Leichsteiner makes a massive cock-up and they equalise. Southampton lost because Kos came back(due to Holding injury) and was a disaster.

  104. Receding Hairline

    “Ishola – We didn’t flow during those games (mainly because Emery was playing Rambo at 10) but Emery was constantly making sub at half-time and winning games with the squad in the second half. So might not have looked great on the old XG stats but we always finished games looking the stronger. The squad were fresh and no reason we couldn’t keep doing.”

    We were known as a second half team then for a reason.

  105. Ishola70

    If the team were being over-rated last season due to that unbeaten run there is no doubt that this season they have regressed from that position now as well.

  106. Paulinho

    Receding – Remember in the first month or so Emery started Guendouzi, and took him off at half-time, and replaced him with Torreira. Just did that every game and it worked.

  107. Valentin

    Bojangles,

    I have no idea what you are referring to.
    The mathematics and me discounting any points to be made against ManCity and Liverpool are mine. If you can find a web site with the same comment, I would just say that great mind think alike.

    I am not accusing Paulinho or WOAB of stealing my idea, just because people think in term of maths to prove a point and arrive at the same conclusions. The fact is that we have 26 games left and that the window to clear up this meas is closing with each passing poor results with Emery at the helm.

  108. Receding Hairline

    Paulinho yep many hailed his as a tactical genius back then who read the game well and countered the opposition

    Now he is a scared, reactive clown who any manager (or non manager) in the world can do a better job than.

  109. Paulinho

    Talking of XG and XA, Leicester are supposedly out-performing both at the moment.

    Their level drops off markedly should any one of Chilwell, Maddison, Vardy, Tielemans get injured.

  110. Pedro

    Bamford out here trying to wash his hands of his Leicester comments last season is a sight to behold.

    Hoisted by his own words. Taken down because one person could be bothered to look through his own posts.

    Would rather spend the day talking about something normal.

    Arteta a sexy option after we tried safe. Comes with risks, but so does every coach. He gets our rank setup, understands the culture and the league, and he has worked and won under the best.

    Could be very interesting.

  111. azed

    Raul is unlikely to act soon. By the time he make the decision to sack Emery, never mind top 4, just qualifying for Europe may even be a struggle.

    Valentin

    Saying a lie a million times would never make it true.
    Raul cannot sack Emery without approval from Josh Kronkre.
    The only reason we could buy Pepe was because the Kroenke’s approved it.
    You once stated that Raul over paid for Pepe when everyone without an agenda knows the club has a chief Negotiator and it’s not Raul.

  112. Receding Hairline

    “Talking of XG and XA, Leicester are supposedly out-performing both at the moment.”

    Xg is no longer a thing here these days, there was a time you couldn’t read a post without it hurting your eyes