There were some questions as to whether the David Ornstein story was briefed before or after the Leicester game. Sami Mokbel writing in the Daily Mail appears to confirm that Arsenal’s briefing angle is very much in line with the exBBC journo’s narrative.
Thank you for your interest in our affairs. Emery ain’t going anywhere.
When it was Arsene Wenger at the wheel, you’d generally be safe in the knowledge that the players would respond in the end. This was mostly down to a simple truth that Wenger couldn’t be ousted by the players. He was too deeply ingrained in the club to be moved on.
The stance by the current hierarchy makes sense, they don’t want the fans to think they can run a manager out of the club. In my opinion, we’re not the people the exec leadership team should be worried about. The players are the biggest challenge to Emery’s doomed tenure. The current situation around the manager has nothing to do with the fans in the stadium, for me, it’s all about the breakdown in the relationship with a manager who is making more mistakes off the pitch than on it.
He’s sacked his captain who now looks likely to leave in January. He has performed a 360 on Mesut Ozil, who is now back in contention after Emery told the press leadership agreed he should drop him. The manager seems to not fancy any of his summer signings, bar David Luiz. The kids are taking the piss behind his back. He let the failed club psychologist advise him that a vote for the captaincy was smart. The football is absolutely atrocious.
It’s hard to see how Emery makes it to the end of the season, but the good news for him is the fixture list looks very kind until we meet Manchester City in mid-December. At the very least, he should be able to stabilize the ship, then we’ll be mauled through the frightening Christmas crunch.
I took in the Liverpool vs City game yesterday. It’s hard to overstate what an incredible job Jurgen Klopp has done with Liverpool. Their brand of football is truly a delight to watch. They make the basics look so simple. Watching them play the ball out the back brought tears to my eyes. It was interesting that once they’d played it short, the transition out of defence was often a longish ball to one of the front three that had dropped deep, with the hope of catching a full back breaking into space. Arsenal almost never seem to make it out of their own third when they go short. Why is it so hard to teach talented players to beat the pressure?
Outside that, the speed of their counter-attacks are a sight to behold. The accuracy of their balls into the box is dreamlike. The application of every single player must be a joy to watch.
Arsenal are unlikely to find a Jurgen Klopp, but hopefully, we can find a manager that has a vision as vivid as the one he has for Liverpool. Personality goes a long way at the highest level, but deeper than that, having an idea everyone can gather around is where you want to be.
Looking at the sort of players Arsenal have, I think it’s clear that we should make the Arsenal idea an exciting one. I don’t think we’re built for a Jose Mourinho. I think the kids coming through want to play explosive football. I think we have electricity in our front line, and with a couple of powerful additions to our midfield, we could have a scary offering moving forward.
Ideally, you’d have Emery in until the end of the season so the leadership don’t have to make a bad decision under duress, I just can’t see that happening though. That’s why I think I’d opt for Freddie Ljungberg until the end of the season if we do have to end Emery’s tenure early. Give Edu a chance to find the coach that’s going to give us a vision for the next 5 years.
What a complicated mess we have ourselves in, the good news is we have some time off to stew on the ramifications as we enter yet another boring international break.
See you in the comments, listen to my damn podcast.
GOH
Feel for you mate.
Not sure what the point is in letting Emery go any further, nothing forward thinking about it. If Raul’s that wedded to Emery its going to be a brutal run into 2020. One things clear, Raul better find the inspiration in the moment. Its a real opportunity for him to set the record straight with his fingerprints all over a tanking Emery and chalk it up to the former dynamic trio getting it wrong but he’s not indulging he’s correcting it. The club is moving forward. With run of games ahead perfect moment to bring new manager it could be… Read more »
RH
“Say what you like about Emery’s competence and coaching but the players aren’t exactly overextending themselves are they.”
If, as you suggest, the players are not exactly overextending themselves , you are highlighting another deficiency of Emery.
Namely his man management skills and his inability to motivate his players.
In short its called ‘loosing the dressing room’.
One day Paulinho will realize there is nothing nunaced about giving Emery a long rope. He is an absolutely clueless manager. As for Bamford, he must be relishing all the attention his trolling gets these days on this blog .
GOH
December 1968. First game with my now deceased father and my grandfather. Everton at home. Won 3-1
I was six and a half.
The “Roasted peanuts” and the smoke haze over Highbury have stayed with me to this day.
Great memories.
So one group of people resent Xhaka and his Macho Man attitude and and are not afraid to associate with people who express a low opinion of both Xhaka and Emery.
On the other hand there is a group of players who despite AFTV and find any the behaviour of players associating with them highly distateful.
Yet according to the same flat earthers the squad is not divided into cliques. Good that is sorted!
sal
There is no point in “letting Emery go on any further”.
We all see that.
Well, nearly all of us.
Graham,
Was pretty clear this summer, yet here we are.
If GX plays for Arsenal again, that’ll be it for Emery.
It is clear that Raul will act only when it is too late to salvage the season. It may even be too late to save anything for the following season as both Aubameyang and Lacazette may decide to jump ship. With Torreira already expressing a desire to leave, the squad may be left with mostly the loan returnees (Elneny, …), the no-hopers (Kolasinac, …), The inexperienced (Willock, Guendouzi, Saka,…). Not a great combination. The big question left for the Kroenke is will they also sack the people responsible for that debacle: Vinai and Raul. I absolve Edu, because being the… Read more »
Arteta still front of mind for the hierarchy.
PedroNovember 11, 2019 19:00:34
Arteta still front of mind for the hierarchy
Eh?
Didn’t you just say it was a no go?
Honestly think Arteta would be a poor appointment. Set aside the fact when the first whistle went that would be the first whistle EVER of his managerial career. What is he actually learning that could be of instant application to this Arsenal squad? Serious question. Yeah, sure he’s getting a great tutelage at City from one of the best managers ever. But Arsenal don’t have anywher enear the squad to carry off what Guardiola has. Look at the squad Guardiola had at City when he arrived and then look at the investment put into him to make sure his ideas… Read more »
Rh Look. Towards the end if we wenger’s reign and also to a lesser extent project youth with cesc it was clear that certain players throughout the team had stopped putting heart into the performances In that scenario you either ship out half the team or you ship out the manager. It was clear that after cesc and rvp walked that Wenger was never going to reach the heights again. He was however still better than what we currently have. Give me 4th,3rd, 2nd place, the occasional fa cup win and some exciting football over the tedium, the poor results… Read more »
TR7 – None of the issues I mentioned about our squad have anything to do with Emery and will await the new manager should Emery get the sack tomorrow.
I suppose Pellegrini is useless too, considering the amount of players he has brought in and his inability to impose any type philosophy on their team. He’s supposed to be the perfect guy to bring out the best in the likes of Haller,Fornals,Lanzini,Anderson, sure Emery isn’t managing them on the side?
G62
Arsenal v West Ham 1982. I think it finished 2-2. I too was six.
It was always the burger smell for me walking up Avnell (sic) Road.
My problem with Emery is that he comes over as a chancer.
Oversold himself in the power point presentation. Now cant walk the walk.
He must have know his wasn’t really upto to the job with his small time tactics.
So a bit dishonest really and wasting 2 seasons of everyone’s life.
No one owes him any favours.
Uggg. Here we go again. Arteta hasn’t managed before.
Guess what…Neil Armstrong had never been to the moon before but…history.
Sometimes, as the great George Micheal said: you gotta have faith.
Raul Sanllehi expressed his disappointment at performances as he addressed more than 200 staff at a pre-planned meeting at Emirates Stadium. Sanllehi stopped short of saying that Emery would be in charge until the end of the season amid mounting anger from fans. [
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Pre-planned? Stopped short? Glimmer of hope that he can still get imminently bipped.
Hitman
There was no power point presentation
It was bollocks
‘Guess what…Neil Armstrong had never been to the moon before but…history.’
He was an astronaut though.
He hadn’t brought other astronauts tea and cleaned their helmets and then suddenly was out in charge of a rocket.
It was a flip book presentation with some flash cards.
Strange that City would reportedly step aside and let Arteta join us considering that he’s the heir apparent to Pep. That makes little sense in the long run for them. Unless of course everything about him is bollox.
Hitman
You really think emery knew ozil and Ramsey and cech inside out?
Trying get cech to play out from the back for first 10 games was a disaster
He dropped ozil and Ramsey after two games
Kept trying to drop lacazette too but must have either realised we are better with him or got pulled into line by a suit.
Deployed a high line with the slowest back line in England
Kept and keeps playing Xakha as the shield.
No fucking power point.
Cesc
Ummm…he had still not been to the moon or piloted a Luna module in anger. Or been blasted off a launchpad. Or set foot on the moon.
These pioneers did this live with no trial runs.
Arteta can manage Arsenal ffs. We are not Real Madrid.
MarkoNovember 11, 2019 19:23:50
Strange that City would reportedly step aside and let Arteta join us considering that he’s the heir apparent to Pep. That makes little sense in the long run for them. Unless of course everything about him is bollox.
Maybe they won’t.
I’d be highly intrigued if we appointed him. It would be the most interesting choice available to us and who knows how high his ceiling is? How visionary he is.
Uggg. Here we go again. Arteta hasn’t managed before.Guess what…Neil Armstrong had never been to the moon before but…history.
I mean he’d been to space before he had numerous missions completed before that. In this scenario Arteta would be an intern at NASA going straight to the moon. As in fucking stupid
It’s not just that. I question his attitude and ambition if he just sits behind Guardiola’s skirt despite some good opportunities. He was linked to the Fulham job and Lyon job. Now either they rejected him (worrying) or he pulled out (either to save face or because he wanted to stay at City…equally worrying). People like Lampard and Gerrard went straight out and went for it as managers. If he is this managerial savant in waiting surely he’d want to prove a point and what a great opportunity a club like Lyon would offer? Great side on paper. If the… Read more »
City aren’t going to try and keep a no.2 are they?
Pep green lit Arteta because he didn’t want to hold back a friend have a chance at managing a big (lols) club.
Could Arteta have done a worse job than Emery? Probably not.
Cesc At this stage hard to make an argument against Arteta other than fact he seemed like Ivan’s man opposed to Raul and the big “never managed’ label. If were willing to take the punt on interim w/ Freddy, the Arteta argument isn’t a tricky one to push over line. From my seat its all upward from Emery, club needs a massive footballing reboot. Ten Hag would be my choice, like Arteta another one whose states Pep as his biggest influence from his time working with the Bayern II side with Pep managing the elites. Think Bayern will beat us… Read more »
I mean he’d been to space before he had numerous missions completed before that. In this scenario Arteta would be an intern at NASA going straight to the moon. As in fucking stupid
He’s coached at the highest level and played at the highest level but yeah, no experience of the game at top level….
In any event, if it’s not that he’s scared or not actually well thought of as the reasons he hasn’t landed a job and it is that he’s waiting for Guardiola to take the Juventus or PSG job then it’s all moot anyway.
Gagarin has already gone to space. So the US knew it could be done. As for going as far as the moon, no one knew what was going to happen.
He didn’t get any practice attempts. There were no simulators.
It was blast off, moon or die. Simple.
Could Arteta have done a worse job than Emery? Probably not.
Goh
Honestly, there’s not many out there who could. Worst season for 37 years
That’s no joke.
Cesc AppealNovember 11, 2019 19:30:03
In any event, if it’s not that he’s scared or not actually well thought of as the reasons he hasn’t landed a job and it is that he’s waiting for Guardiola to take the Juventus or PSG job then it’s all moot anyway.
Cesc Appeal
You were one of the biggest cheerleaders here for emery and Ceballos so your stock is hardly high right now for making bold predictions
These pioneers did this live with no trial runs.
They literally did trial runs ffs.
So many better choices for Arsenal than Arteta. Not just the boring, obvious and problematic gold standard managers either like Mourinho or Enrique.
Why would anyone make an argument for Arteta over people like Ten Hag, Rose etc.
I’m all for changing Emery, I just find the Arteta notion very strange and it is based entirely on hope. You can’t argue that point. There is no logical basis, it’s all suck it and see and hope on a very shaky, faith based level with little to no evidence.
Marko,
I know it was an unfortunate typo but the your comment to RH at 17.53 which begins “Receding wank” has left an unfortunate image in my head which is somewhat traumatising.
Un
I know. 37 years which amazingly is my first season as a supporter.
The last five or six years, probably nearer to ten…we have rewritten the Arsenal history books for all the wrong reasons.
The 4-4 against Newcastle.
The 10-2 against Bayern.
The list is extensive and we keep adding to it.
Bantz FC.
Un
Didn’t you back Wenger incessantly for years?
Or are you one of those that rewrites history to say you always wanted him out but respectfully?
Didn’t you think Wilshere was top rate? How’s that going?
CA, if you got to the final two with Arsenal, you’re probably not going to take Newcastle. Especially if you’ve been offered the City job post-Pep.
Would rather Pep than Freddie, that’s for sure.
Pedro
Lyon?
Words, I read that as well… thought it was some sort of vicious insult.
Cesc,
Probably the wrong thing to say, but at this stage I’d take literally anybody as a replacement for Emery.
Even fucking Allardici or Guardiola is tempting….
CA, dodged bullet, how many games did it take for the faith to waiver on Sylvinho? 11?
If there’s the chance of London coming back, because Emery is a joke, or taking Pep’s job when he leaves, patience is a virtue.
Guardiola should read Pardiola
Marko
Do you think the space programme did trial runs to the moon?
The cost of putting a rocket into orbit is astronomical (pun intended). They did the maths but it was literally a one shot deal.
They didn’t go near to the moon, scout about for a bit then float back down.
Bloody hell.
At this stage hard to make an argument against Arteta
Sal respectfully much like after Wenger two wrongs don’t make a right. Not being condescending before anyone thinks it but can anyone see the difference between Mikel Arteta and say Marco Rose or Nagelsmann? Even Gio Van Bronkhorst.
Bit of a nonsense to call it a bottle job. Guy has been on the road since his early twenties, lived in Glasgow and Liverpool. Turned down a cushy coaching job at Arsenal and went for the pressure of Pep life.
Taking the right opp is key to success. No one will clap him for diving headfirst into a shitfest.
Do you think the space programme did trial runs to the moon?
They did landing tests and he’d actually been to space numerous times and was a pilot for years. Again in this scenario Arteta wouldn’t be an astronaut but some fucking geek who is competent in a crop duster. You make it sound like they just plucked Armstrong out of line up and aimed at the moon.
Absolutely love Marco Rose, really think he’d be a great hire.
Big difference for me now is that Arteta is taking over a worse mess than before. Fans are expectant, players are more despondent than before, and most are calling for a ‘winner.’
I think we’re in a mess, not an ideal setup for a novice.
Pedro,
“No one will clap him for diving headfirst into a shit fest.”
Isn’t that what Arteta would be doing by coming to Arsenal?
Marko, reckon he’s doing quite a lot of work behind the scenes that would amount to the tests NASA did. He’s coaching individual talent, he contributes to the tactical ideas, he occasionally manages the team (beat Arsenal).
It’s not like giving the job to Vik Akers.
Words, yes, that is exactly what he’d be doing… you are very right.
Folk have to realize Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee will not employ the best man for the job (see their nonsense statement today) They will employ what is best for THEM and THEM alone….the club is secondary. As for Arteta – why would he take the job – even if he was offered? Shafted First time around- he will not make that mistake again. Being a keen observer of the game- he knows we are an irrelevance for at least 5 seasons. We dont have a dime, left… He will still well clear. You think he will stand for Edu… Read more »
Pedro,
Do you have any insight into whether Arteta would still be interested in the Arsenal job?
Words, I don’t. I know he always wanted to come back, so I’d imagine he’d take the role if it came up.
I think PV04 is more likely than Arteta.
That said, the Spanish connection seems to be a thread.
Big difference for me now is that Arteta is taking over a worse mess than before.
Total and utter nonsense. Squad wise it’s better than what Wenger left and the backroom staff has been trimmed of some of the useless fat.
He’s coaching individual talent, he contributes to the tactical ideas, he occasionally manages the team (beat Arsenal).
What is Pep being paid for one wonders.
Cesc AppealNovember 11, 2019 19:34:01 UnDidn’t you back Wenger incessantly for years?Or are you one of those that rewrites history to say you always wanted him out but respectfully?Didn’t you think Wilshere was top rate? How’s that going? Cesc Oooo. Bit there didn’t you? 1) I stopped backing wenger when he let rvp go but I refused to join in with the abuse he got or to pretend that he was a fraud when he clearly was not. Just a great man who’d lost his touch 2) I still believe jack was the best English player since Paul Scholes He… Read more »
I’d like to take a punt on someone who is a bit Klopp and a bit Rogers.
I give you David Wagner, young, character, good football, motivated players, worked on a shoestring, speaks English well. Can’t be any worse than we have, sometimes you just have to take a chance. Tell me he’s not a great fit
Marko, worst start in 38 years, we added useless fat.
Arsenal is not in good shape. I know because I speak to people there. It’s a mess.
MarkoNovember 11, 2019 19:40:13
Do you think the space programme did trial runs to the moon?They did landing tests and he’d actually been to space numerous times and was a pilot for years. Again in this scenario Arteta wouldn’t be an astronaut but some fucking geek who is competent in a crop duster. You make it sound like they just plucked Armstrong out of line up and aimed at the moon.
Looool marko you’re a NASA nut!!
Bit harsh to knock anyone for loving JW. We all wanted him to achieve greatness.
Marko
For the first time, you made me chuckle. “Point and the moon”
Keep this up and I’ll send you a Christmas card.
Pedro Are those excuses for Arteta before he’s even arrived 😉 The bottlejob comments have nothing to do with traveling as a player, it’s his managerial action when compared to people like Lampard and Gerrard. Not a doubt in my mind either of those could have got an assistant gig at Chelsea or Liverpool respectively and then tried to manipulate it so the fans call for them as head coach. Both went out and made the world their own…massive respect. Part of me wants Arteta to get the job really badly. Either you’re right and so we have to endure… Read more »
“Aimed at the moon”
Sorry. Still funny.
PedroNovember 11, 2019 19:50:30
Bit harsh to knock anyone for loving JW. We all wanted him to achieve greatness.
How could you not? Proper arsenal boy. Silky as they come. What a waste
Wenger wasted that era
Ramsey and Wilshere could have been greats
The Ox and Theo too
Had they been deployed in one position, coached into that position and not dragged around and run into the ground
“I stopped backing wenger when he let rvp go but I refused to join in with the abuse”
Course you did sweetheart.
Cesc AppealNovember 11, 2019 19:54:14
“I stopped backing wenger when he let rvp go but I refused to join in with the abuse”Course you did sweetheart.
Xxxx
‘Bit harsh to knock anyone for loving JW. We all wanted him to achieve greatness.’
That isn’t the point of what was being said though…is it?
Arsenal is not in good shape. I know because I speak to people there. It’s a mess. Yeah no doubt but you’re talking nonsense if you think that. Our problem is the manager and some players downing tools. As I’ve said before summer of ’18 Wenger left a bloated mess of a squad in need of a keeper, a DM, a winger (none in the squad), a poor midfield and a dumbass defence. Since then we’ve addressed the keeper situation brought in a long term LB, a highly rated CB, a prospective CM or two and an actual highly rated… Read more »
Wiltshire was made of glass and cigarettes. He was blessed with the ankles of a fish and the attitude of a council estate rat.
Apart from 45mins against Barca…what else did he do?
Oh and substitute Martinelli for Iwobi and you might have a point
‘Apart from 45mins against Barca…what else did he do?’
He sang on a bus once, wearing an Arsenal hat.
Smoked some cigarettes in a Jacuzzi with Joe Hart and some hookers in Vegas.
What else…
Oh yeah, passsssssshun.
Marco Rose is swoon. Female attendance would be up 1000% if we signed him.
Marko My point was if were willing to take the punt on Freddy then Arteta has to be in the mix, from all reports he was the #2 man on Rauls last managerial candidate list. Which has to be a jumping off point as little time has passed with what looks to be not a whole lot of thought given. I’m speculating here but do they seem ready to change to you? I understand how that would go down with many on this site after all the opinions have been stated with broad stances made. Arteta isn’t topping my list… Read more »
CA, absolute brutality on the Wilshere front.
Are those excuses for Arteta before he’s even arrived
🤔
Cesc
Oh yes, the bus. He did his best Mani impression.
‘absolute brutality on the Wilshere front’
I know…very naughty.
It’s been a long day.
‘Marco Rose is swoon’
I was going to say that but…definitely.
*wasn’t
Jumping to Arsene’s defence. Not one of his English lads went on to do anything of note. Not one.
Ox is dating a sugar babe.
Ramsay is benched in Italy.
Gibbs is working in a bank.
Wilshere is working for the NHS as a cadaver.
They were all vastly overrated I’m afraid.
Something tells me Tuchel wouldnt have same effect as Rose at the Arsenal.
My point was if were willing to take the punt on Freddy then Arteta has to be in the mix That would be an awful decision too but Freddie because he’s already here and number two would be kind of expected in I would hope a very very short term basis. I don’t see him turning out good either. Look can we not just hire in a competent MANAGER be it young and progressive or ready made and competent with hunger? This whole taking risks on non managers is the kind of thing lesser clubs or clubs who can afford… Read more »
Pedro,
If it’s a choice between Arteta and PV04
I’d go for Arteta and hope that the Spanish connection (another Basque!) trumps the “legends” connection.
You’ve sold me on Arteta’s tactical prowess and one-on-one coaching strength. As a player PV04 was obviously more of a leader, but not sure whether those man management skills have translated to him as a manager.
Both represent a risk, but at this stage
…but at this stage it’s a risk well worth taking
Big fucking no with a massive fucking Addams family values on top for Tuchel. Lad is boring as fuck and do I need to bring up that article of Subotic complaining about degrading training practices. He keeps injuring half his squad with his bullshit. Fuck him seriously
Sal Still like Tuchel. I know he’s getting mixed reviews at PSG but I really think PSG is an absolute shit of a job in a lot of ways. The bottom line for expectation is every domestic cup and UCL and you have to deal with mega egos who are more powerful than you. I would have him at Arsenal though. I actually think Rose, Tuchel, Nagelsmann and Ten Hag would be my main picks (potentially in that order). I could see Spurs going for someone like Rose if they sack Pochettino. United will go for the platinum manager in… Read more »
Now all I want is Tuchel at Arsenal.
I want him to degrade our players.
‘I want him to degrade our players’
Some of them honestly need it.
Marko
I think most want a ‘confident manager’ I certainly do. The time for that move was this summer with every signal needed there to see, not mid November when its played out.
Whole lot trickier with season in motion and options limited, look to Bayern if you need further example. Ten Hag has apparently told them not until summer.
You’ve sold me on Arteta’s tactical prowess and one-on-one coaching strength.
Where? With words? I could just say that Paddy’s man management skills are top titties and he’s actually coached games and beaten teams like Monaco and Lyon. Would you believe me at my word.
FYI year two I’m very skeptical about Vieira at Nice. Very up and down which is a worry
Cesc,
“Still like Tuchel.”
Me too, was strictly speaking earlier for the lady gooners
Marko,
As I said a little earlier, I’ve reached the single-lonely-guy-at-disco-at-the-end-of-the-night stage, and frankly I’d take anyone at this stage……
Sal no way they were going to sack him in the summer. Absurd to think that as I’ve said before I don’t think they want to go down that road of sacking a manager at the earliest sign that things are going wrong. Bad precedent to set. No excuses now though. Whole lot trickier with season in motion and options limited, look to Bayern if you need further example. Ten Hag has apparently told them not until summer. Through but we’re not Bayern and honestly it’s why I don’t have him or Nagelsmann or Farve on my list anymore because… Read more »