Vote of confidence is in, but is it dreaded?

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Big Dave Ornstein has hit the airwaves with his weekly piece in The Athletic, his headline which I think I can talk about without being mercilessly sued is:

  • Emery stays
  • Fans are noise
  • Club is on the right path

It’s the not-so-dreaded vote of confidence Arsenal fans used to hear when Wenger was at the club.

What do we make of it?

I understand it.

As I’ve been saying for the past few weeks, there’s no plan at Arsenal. For the moment, we can perhaps blame that on Edu’s late arrival at Arsenal. Maybe he didn’t notice that Arsenal has been in steep decline the whole of 2019. Maybe he hasn’t been listening to the garbled press conferences. Maybe he thinks the handling of mega players has been consistent and clear. Maybe the football looks nice to him?

Whatever it is, Edu can lean on the crutch of new boy for the moment.

I wrote in the summer that the perfect scenario for Edu was having the fans BEGGING him to make a change. At the moment, we’re not really begging. I don’t think I’ve heard an Emery Out song from the away fans, there has been no march planned walks, and has anyone seen a gofundme for a plane banner? Not me. So are we even angry?

Arsenal fans are so united in thinking Emery is a disaster, I’m not sure we thought we’d need to work too hard on this one, so maybe Raul is right… maybe it’s just noise, because compared to how Barca fans behave when they want changer, this is probably all a bit pony (when it should be a pony head in the bed).

When assessing the market, it’s probably not the worst decision to hold off making a huge decision. Freddie could be our OGS, Mourinho could bring the club down, Enrique is Emery with a nice suit and better sound bites, and don’t even get me started on Eddie Howe.

Here’s the thing though, the stay of execution is only worthwhile if the club is formulating a plan that’ll move us forward next year. If we’re simply delaying a dinosaur hire, that’s a very big worry. I think we’ve seen enough actions from Raul to know that he’s not a particularly original thinker. We know he’s attracted by the bright lights of super-agents and we know he’s captivated by managers that make him feel like he’s dancing with the elite.

What Edu thinks should be the key. The rumblings I’m hearing are that he’s not as active as people would have hoped. Again, early doors, but the vision I had with the Arsenal Technical Director role was that he’d be far more present. That he’d stop the nonsense at the training ground. That he’d have a smarter plan for Mesut Ozil. The Mirror leaked that the player captains vote was Dave Priestly. I wrote in the summer that he was likely the architect of the player reviews that happened at the end of the last season. Priestly is our sports psychologist, and from what I hear, he’s been firmly wedged up Emery’s back passage since day one. He was the sort of person you’d have expected to be moved on, but alas, he’s still here stinking out the joint and not moving the ‘mental strength’ of the squad to a better place. I’m sure the travel guy throwing motivational speeches and fighting in the tunnel is still about. The young players are ripping the shit out of the manager behind his back. All the messy bits that went on last year are still happening this year, but the worse thing is that there’s no control over the media narrative. When a club is porous, it means people are unhappy.

We can forgive though, for now.

The decision to keep Emery on until the summer feels like it’s being driven by ego or fear. Emery is Raul’s man, 100% (as in, his recco). A lot of people blaming Ivan Gazidis, sure, we can bucket him in, but Raul was the day to day football guy that 1) Pulled him in 2) translated his PowerPoint 3) Assured everyone he was the best bet. It was really his first big decision so he has to double down on it, my question really does centre around what it is they are watching that gives them the sense the club is on the right path?

Some theories:

Leicester not the target

Being 9 points from Leicester and Chelsea might not be seen as a big deal. Chelsea are going to be inconsistent this season, Frank Lampard didn’t really move Derby last year, they should be catchable. Leicester also might be attainable, they have a good setup, but maybe the club thinks their run is a bubble.

PR noise

The club don’t have a plan for a replacement manager, so they’d rather not have to make a double sub type signing. If the media sniff that Raul and Edu are going to replace, the players will totally switch off. If they feed the idea Emery is safe, it gives them cover to speak to managers and it gives them time to make the correct decision with the relevant due diligence. It also might cajole the players to put in a bit more effort.

Listening to excuses in Spanish

Edu spent some time working under Emery back in the day when he was hitting 3rd in the league every season for Valencia. There could be a deep level of respect for his work. Emery will be speaking to Edu and Raul in crystal clear Spanish every day and maybe that makes it easier to understand what he’s trying to do and what the future vision is. Remember, this is Raul’s hire, he’ll do anything to make it seem to his bosses that he made a sound decision when he passed up Arteta and made an 8 day panic hire using ‘contacts’ recruitment (LOL that Emery was close to joining Sociedad before we stepped in).

December is going to be a disaster

I’ve been looking at the December crunch of games and hiding behind the couch. That really could be a death spiral of games. This last theory might be very off, but maybe the club worry that putting in a new manager and expecting them to come out of that batch of games with any PR credit is low… so they’d prefer Emery to take the fall and revisit his tenure in early January when the team is out of the woods.

All of the above sound ridiculous considering the nightmare we’re in on the pitch, and off it.

So here we are, Raul does not look like the great white hope, and Edu is still finding his footing after 4 months. Arsenal looks to be a ship lost at sea, so let’s see what happens now they’ve put absolute faith in a captain that’s lost his sea legs, his compass, and the faith of the sailors aboard.

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432 Responses to “Vote of confidence is in, but is it dreaded?”

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  1. WengerEagle

    Marc

    I think that he’ll get one more season even if Liverpool best them to the title and they get beaten in Europe. He may leave of his own accord having said that, 4 years at Barcelona burned him out to a mere husk and this is his 4th year at Citeh albeit only his 3rd with heavy pressure and scrutiny.

    Expect him to return to Spain to take over Barcelona again either next season or the one after, would be perfect timing given things have gotten really stale under Valverde who’s lost most of the fanbase there.

    I also see Barca re-signing Neymar and for Pep to build around him as he did with Messi before.

    Haven’t a clue how Citeh go about replacing him, would spell the end for quite few of their players who are tailor-made for Pep’s system.

  2. Marc

    WE

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he quit. As for going back to Barca – well they’ll be no Messi and as they say “never go back” and “always leave them wanting more”. If he did go back and didn’t dominate it’d really hurt his reputation.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see him have some time off and then a skint either somewhere a bit leftfield ie the US or go into International management.

  3. Daz

    Where is this narrative that raul is trying to get in with the elite crowd coming from? Am i mistaken in thinking he was in the elite crowd but left to come work for arsenal?

  4. WengerEagle

    On the money Radio, he’s given his little soapbox each week on Sky to mouth off with the Scouse human sprinkler by his side and it’s mind-blowing to the casual football follower because even though he’s a slippery little eel he’s very articulate and can rant quite well, he sounds like a genius spouting off his half-truths and selective facts.

    He hasn’t got the balls for management because it takes real character, the ability to lead and charisma if you are to be one of the best.

  5. Marko

    I also see Barca re-signing Neymar and for Pep to build around him as he did with Messi before.

    He’s not far off 30 though. It’s that kind of long term planning one expects from Barcelona

  6. WengerEagle

    Marc

    Maybe but I think that he’s addicted to the game, especially coaching great players and putting together the best football in Europe. The international game is far lower in quality and entertainment, it’s also a part-time gig and he’s a football fanatic.

    Messi is still arguably the best player in the world, I know that he’s 32 now but he still shows little sign that he’s slowing down, pace aside. He’ll still be a top 10 player even into his mid 30’s because of the evolution of his passing game not to mention his finishing ability combined with his ball control and dribbling over short distances.

    I don’t think that it would hurt his rep, we’re talking about two spells nearly a decade apart with an entirely different team besides Messi and Pique. Zidane went back after less than a year, bit different.

  7. Marko

    He’s 27. Since when is that nearly 30?

    28 in February and you’re talking about Pep going back to Barca and resigning him in a year or two so nearly 30. Besides genuine question but how many Brazilians over the years haven’t deteriorated hitting their 30’s? Honestly. Like Silva and Cafu and that’s it

  8. Marc

    Marko

    Well that must be you because I’m in Dublin or is it Tipperary, it could be Cork.

    I’ll be honest now I’m just fucking confused I just wish Valentin was here to set me right – or is that you right I really don’t know anymore.

  9. Marc

    Pierre

    yeah mate whatever.

    On a serious note I thought Ozil was OK yesterday – no one was great but he seemed to put himself about a little – of course I could’ve been drunk or stoned.

    I find watching Arsenal now is much easier if I’m under the influence of something.

  10. Ishola70

    Batistuta

    “Wjnaldum, Milner, Henderson, Fabinho”

    Men footballers who play like men on the field.

    Bit like our Granit.

    Just think there were posters that were laughing Henderson out of town not so long ago on here. The mere mention of his name on here resulted in laughing emojis and all sorts.

  11. Mics

    I read that Athletic story while watching Liverpool and City play outstanding, exciting football. It made me want to throw up. It feels like a big fuck you to the fans from the board. Right back at em.

  12. Un na naai

    MarkoNovember 10, 2019 19:07:35
    He’s 27. Since when is that nearly 30?28 in February and you’re talking about Pep going back to Barca and resigning him in a year or two so nearly 30. Besides genuine question but how many Brazilians over the years haven’t deteriorated hitting their 30’s? Honestly. Like Silva and Cafu and that’s it

    Dani Alves
    Roberto Carlos
    Dunga
    Rivaldo
    Romario
    Lucio
    Juninho
    Djalminha
    Bebeto
    Juninho at Lyon
    Deco

    All played well in their thirties.

  13. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola do you have a social life? A functioning one I mean.

    You’ve got the weirdest hard-on for Xhaka, he’s a millionaire footballer you’ll never meet mate. Go grab a drink with some from your village, or local centre.

  14. Ishola70

    Can you imagine Granit Xhaka turning up to the Liverpool dressing room.

    Hi guys. I’m Granit Xhaka. Ex -Arsenal captain. Unfairly stripped ex-Arsenal captain may I add. I am here to assist you in your charge to the EPL title.

    Liverpool dressing room to Xhaka = fuck off you w@nker.

  15. Ishola70

    I’m trying to highlight to you why Arsenal are failing Charlie.

    It was you wasn’t it that was laughing Henderson out of town not so long ago.

  16. Marc

    Pierre

    Don’t even go there.

    Whatever your thoughts on the “right” selection we are better set up to play a 4-2-3-1 as you say. We buy a guy who looks like he’s going to be a decent or better LB -we don’t play him, we buy a pacey winger – he get’s dropped. Torreira is played anywhere but as the deep set DM.

    Someone needs to tell Emery to either fuck off or at least stop digging.

  17. Marc

    Red

    Even Labour MP’s are saying Corbyn isn’t fit to lick my toilet let alone run the country.

    If Labour MP’s are saying he’s a security risk can imagine what the Security services will leak is he’s looking like winning?

  18. Guns of Brixton

    SMH

    Seems to be we have to firm it with Emery until the end of the season and hope we can turn around our fortunes.

    No doubt Edu and Raul have the same mindset. Sacking him now with no clear idea of a proper replacement sounds knee-jerk but they should of had a back up plan.

    Hopefully they can find a proper replacement and part ways by summer 2020 before we get into the transfer market and allow the new manager a full proper pre season with this team.

  19. Guns of SF

    Get Luis Enrique in….
    I think the players will respond to him or another coach.
    They are not playing for Emery…. he has little connection with them or the fans..
    He is kissing the asses of his bosses and I just hope they can see through this shit

  20. rollen

    In my opinion Arsenal is fucked as top club until board is replaced with real football people connected with Arsenal. No one at the club care about AFC. Only about money and oneself careers. With this attitude no manager can help. Do you think Rodgers would have same impact at Arsenal as he having at Lester? Fans are to blame too. Years of tolerance for Wenger Ozil Xaka etc lazines. How long u think this shit would continue at any top club?

  21. MidwestGun

    Arsenal looks to be a ship lost at sea, so let’s see what happens now they’ve put absolute faith in a captain that’s lost his sea legs, his compass, and the faith of the sailors aboard.
    ______
    Good one Peds.. More like Arsenal is the Titanic… and management is the band furiously playing on oblivious to the ship sinking. But good read.. lots of speculation seems like nobody really knows what will happen.. but Arsenal in general tend to do nothing given a choice.. and that’s my prediction of what happens in the immediate future
    . Don’t see how Emery survives this though.. no way he makes it another season. Dude is all over the place throwing things at the wall seeing what sticks. Plus he has alienated about everyone. For me.. give Freddie the rest of the season while we make a plan. Leaving Emery in charge makes no sense to me. But that’s Arsenal for you.. . do whatever has the least risk. Take no chances.. while we slip further and further down the table. Fortune favors the Bold. Bold is not the word I would use to describe anything at the Emirates these days.

  22. Bergkamp63

    “Fans are a noise”

    The best way to answer this is become the exact opposite. Let the BOD’s sit in an empty stadium, the message will be deafening.

  23. Graham62

    It’s amazing to read some of the comments on here over the past few weeks.

    We are losing our club. The club is soulless etc etc

    Quick question. Where have you all been hiding these past ten years?

    This has been a gradual, systematic and very visible process and has nothing to do with what’s been happening these past few months.

    Blinded by the light.

    Emery out!

  24. Guns of SF

    Seriously,
    I would really give the team to Fred L
    IT cannot be as bad- the younger players respect him and the older players as well..
    Fans as well.
    For the time being it makes sense… until summer

  25. HighburyLegend

    Liverpool will be crowned, with huge help from the refs, congrats to them.
    Looks like Manure years ago lol

    In other news, Edu and Raul are not the expected saviors.
    I’m going to do like Pedro, stay under my couch, much better than watching our club slowly dying.

    I curse the day wenger moved us to the new stadium.

  26. CG

    Graham

    “”””””Quick question. Where have you all been hiding these past ten years?”””

    why always Wengers fault?

    sure he aint t faultless but….

    ….. why always Wenger- cant you do analytical or nuanced?

    not KSE?
    Didnt they turn up 10 years ago, too?

    not Oligarchs? ( Chelsea)
    neither Oil money? ( man city)

    Didnt they turn up 10 years ago too?

    for a bright man- my golly – you have some issues that need to be addressed.

    Crikey if you were a fan in the 50’s – you would be slating Chapman for not winning 6 titles in the 30’s!

    Shed Time, Graham
    maybe permanently

  27. Redtruth

    Arsene Wenger defended Stan Kroenke after Arsenal fans turned on the majority shareholder.

    The Gunners ended their Premier League campaign with a 3-1 victory over Everton at the Emirates.

    It wasn’t enough to secure a return to the Champions League with attention now turning to the FA Cup final against Chelsea.

    Earlier this week Kroenke rejected a £1bn bid from Alisher Usmanov to buy Arsenal.

    And the Gunners fans urged the American to walk away with chants of ‘Stan Kroenke, get out of our club”, and held banners in the stands.

    But Wenger defended him, insisting he is not responsible for what happens on the pitch.

    “I respect Stan Kroenke a lot. He is not at fault if we did not reach the Champions League,” Wenger said.

    “It is the technical department who is responsible for that. I don’t see what he has to do with that.

  28. Leedsgunner

    If Raul IS standing behind Emery he’s acting like a chronic gambler chasing his losses.

    I hope he’s smarter than that.

    There’s no shame in admitting that one got it wrong and quickly and decisively moving to mitigate one’s losses.

    Fire Emery, hire Ljungberg on a caretaker basis and rescue the season. Delay and miss out on Champions League next year.

    The choice is clear.

  29. Graham62

    CG

    Those fans that tolerated the past ten years because of their loyalty and respect for Wenger have, in my opinion, been a major cause of our downfall.

    Give yourself another pat on the back CG. Well done.

    We all now see the light with Emery but don’t try and cover up your own failings as a fan for supporting a regime that helped, imo, to tear the club apart.

    Make your excuses, just as Wenger did and continue your quest to show everyone on here how right you are.

    Bravo CG, you’re a star.

  30. CG

    graham

    “”””””Those fans that tolerated the past ten years because of their loyalty and respect for Wenger have, in my opinion, been a major cause of our downfall.”””””

    there is nothing wrong with loyalty and respect
    admirable attributes, if you ask me..

    Graham:

    What has the best manger in Arsenal history done to to you that makes you appear mentally un- hinged 24/7?

    Shed time maybe permanently methinks…. buts lets hope not and you can turn a new page or chapter.

    Wenger

    x3 league titles
    x7 fa cups
    x 7 charity shields

    We aint getting near that for a decade !

  31. Un na naai

    Graham62November 10, 2019 21:08:37
    CGThose fans that tolerated the past ten years because of their loyalty and respect for Wenger have, in my opinion, been a major cause of our downfall.

    Graham
    Didn’t notice you chain your naked arse to the Henry statue outside the Emirates in protest
    You just took it like the rest of us. Now we are stuck in a worse position than we were in under Wenger

  32. CG

    UN

    “”””””Fuck Enrique
    Another Spanish boys club dud.””””””

    Too Right.

    No mas Spanish* Dung…..its stinking the place out as it is,

    London Colney is a Cesspit as it is with Emery and his Goons and if this scruffy urchin and non-entity comes- gawd help us!

    *anglicised Spanish is ok though (rafa/arteta types)
    they are civilised/refined types.

  33. Gentlebris

    The news about Emery’s invincibility until next summer is total bullshit.

    It would be extremely stupid for our boys in charge to dare the ire of the fans after seeing on Wenger how acidic things could turn if Arsenal fans were pushed to the wall.
    And they must know that Wenger out was not an unanimous vote while Emery out is a consensus. The fire line would be extremely brutal.

    By the time top 4 is obviously totally lost and Emery is still in the job, people would leave Emery alone and punch Raul hard in the face.
    Then how would Raul and Vinai even face Kroenke(a lover of top 4)and tell him that they couldn’t, as a group of modern high level football experts with digital sophistication, achieve once in two years what Wenger achieved in about 20 straight years with his lone ranger analog methodologies. How would Raul justify his decision to push out Sven Mislintat if Arsenal fails top 4 again, a certainty if Emery is allowed another 4 or 5 games?

    I really don’t believe Raul would take a decision that would ultimately lead to him facing such questions and consequences.
    He is too smart for that. Emery is on his way out.

  34. Miami gooner

    Left field one here……but here goes, it seems obvious that the tight cunt who doesn’t care, wouldn’t give JM or LE the millions they’d want…….so…….what about Chris Wilder ? An older coach with modern ideas about the game………he’d sort out how our defence and midfield should play…….and then hopefully get our brilliant front 3 playing the way they should……..and don’t dismiss him out of hand……look at his record first……..

  35. Jonathan Rosin

    What to say…our “organization” is systemically broken. The owners have no clue and no deep passion and love for the club. The rot starts there. The manager is pathetic. A good guy, a shocker of a leader. I watch Klop closely…every game…of course it’s much easier to lead when things are going well…but he balances passion and love for his players with authority and leadership. He is on the pitch after every game…present, leading, connecting with players and fans. Emery fkn absent. There is no plan, no strategy, but a group of leaders making up shit along the way. But the rot starts at the top…make no mistake…and Emery is one part of a deeply flawed and fucked organization.

  36. Miami gooner

    Left field one here……but here goes, it seems obvious that the tight cunt who doesn’t care, wouldn’t give JM or LE the millions they’d want…….so…….what about Chris Wilder ? An older coach with modern ideas about the game………he’d sort out how our defence and midfield should play…….and then hopefully get our brilliant front 3 playing the way they should……..and don’t dismiss him ……out of hand……look at his record first……..and this is my first…….

  37. Cesc Appeal

    Leno apparently also tops the saves chart in the EPL.

    Just chaos.

    Every stat you look at just gets worse for Emery.

  38. bennydevito

    Wow, the standard is really going up in here.

    We’ve gone from Foreign 3rd world fans to blame for getting rid of Wenger to only people who speak good English are civilised.

    We’ve got Bamford being warned by Pedro for merely having an opinion that goes against the mob whilst posters like Un nai and CG are allowed to spout xenophobic racist remarks without warning.

    Only on LeGrove.

  39. Peter12

    Not making a decision on Emery now is a decision itself. Because “No decision” is not neutral in real life. It has consequences. At the moment the Arsenal team is like a runaway train: Not have good players in certain positions; players not interested in playing; rudderless; clueless; demoralised; afraid to play, etc. The manager seem totally unable to control what is going on, trying pressing random buttons, to avail. What happens to a runaway train is that it crashes into the the buffers at 120mph (or whatever) destroying everything and everybody – carnage! (See if talented players like Auba etc will be wanting to sink with the ship at the end of this disastrous season). If the Arsenal hierarchy are saying they won’t make a decision now they are simply not only being a (seemingly) inevitable carnage at the end of the season, they are a party to it. NO DECISION NOW, IS ITSELF A DECISION – MANAGEMENT HIERARCHY, BEWARE.

  40. bennydevito

    What about Nuno Santo? Doing a great job with Wolves that’s for sure.

    Unfortunately though it looks like we’re stuck with Emery for the season. So very depressing.

    It’s up to the match goers now to stop going, or turn up late and go home early.

  41. Bamford10

    Pedro

    “[Bamford] needs something to be right about after making such a pigs ear of the Emery thing last season”

    You do like fiction, don’t you, Pedro? No idea what I’m supposed to have gotten wrong last season given I said I didn’t think Emery was the man for us long-term from October or so on. I did reject some of your more outlandish claims, such as ‘Emery is to blame for our injury woes’ or ‘we have a top squad’ or ‘Emery is a disaster hire,’ but I still reject those claims and I still think I was right on those points. Below I will take up some of your more recent claims again and I think it would be nice if you actually offered a response. Cheers.

  42. David Smith

    But it’s ok, the hierarchy detected the green shoots of a game plan against Leicester, Emery is saved on that basis

  43. David Smith

    The question is, and being serious, could Emery actually relegate this team if given the season, and at what point would the board act if that was a danger?

  44. Bamford10

    Don’t worry, Benny. Everything will sort itself out in the long run. Good will triumph, evil will fail, and someday we’ll all be in El Comandante together, sharing a pint and enjoying the glory of Arsenal’s first league title in decades. Everyone but Charlie, that is.

  45. Bamford10

    Pedro

    More fiction. I never questioned your intelligence, nor did I question your character because you called Emery a bad hire. I did question your character, but I questioned your character because of some of the dubious claims you made and because of some of the decisions you made about the deleting of comments here. That’s all in the past now, though. Let’s move on.

  46. Just Another Customer

    so how is it going volks?

    Memery out yet?

    no matter I guess I have to retreat to Pro Evo to have a wank to our squad and imagine how they play out IRL that’s the only way I can cope ever since the dark days of post-2011

  47. Pedro

    Bamford, they weren’t dubious claims. Our squad was good enough for top 4 and Unai Emery came out in the press and took the blame for injuring Aaron Ramsey.

    The only thing that was dubious was your faith in a manager as bland as Emery.

  48. Bamford10

    Pedro

    “Bamford, hiring someone who couldn’t speak English, deal with big egos or build a defence was not the sensible hire. Hence what’s happening now being entirely predictable.”

    Bamford

    “I don’t know that I buy any of the assertions you’ve made there about Emery or our problems, Pedro. Is the problem his English? I’m not convinced of that. Is the problem his management of “big egos”? Who are we even talking about here? Ozil? No offense, but Ozil can f*ck off, and that’s a view that was more or less your view only a few months ago. Is the problem his alleged inability to organize a defense? Yeah, I don’t buy that; our problems in the back line have largely been down to inadequate or unsatisfactory personnel (Maitland-Niles, Mustafi, Sokratis, Kolasinac, Chambers as RB,) not a lack of organization or structure.”
    __

    What evidence do you have, Pedro, that Emery’s English is a serious problem for the players and team? Who exactly are you referring to when you speak of “big egos”? (Please tell me that you’re not talking about Ozil.) And what evidence do you have that our defensive struggles are down to Emery and not to inadequate or unsatisfactory personnel? I would love to hear about any and all of this.

  49. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    You’re trying to reason with someone that thinks us “organised and disciplined” on the pitch currently.

    Go find a wall and absolutely nut it, or continue. Same difference lol

  50. Bamford10

    Pedro

    “Emery came out in the press and took the blame for injuring Aaron Ramsey”

    No, he didn’t. What he said was that the physios expressed their concerns, that he passed those concerns on to Ramsey, and that Ramsey told him that he was fine to play and that he wanted to play.

    That is what he said, and that is different from “taking the blame for injuring Ramsey”.

  51. Pedro

    CC, this is sometimes the problem with the comments. You find yourself sucked into arguing against ignorance.

    Being pulled into a debate about the merits of something so stunningly obvious is a waste of time. But we do it. Over and over.

  52. Bamford10

    Churlish

    Actually, I’ve only claimed that we are more organized and more disciplined than we were under late Wenger. That that is the case should be obvious to everyone with eyes.

  53. Just Another Customer

    he’s just a shit man manager who lost respect from his key players after that all hope is lost as he can’t implement his genius tictacs not like he could before but you know what I’m saying right?

    should’ve get rid after last season should’ve even get rid more right now

  54. Just Another Customer

    fucking hell yeah take your win it’s like arguing with middle school kids they always want to be right

    so with the being pedant is his “organisation and discipline” get us anywhere close where we need to be?

  55. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    Yea pretty much, some things are head spinners though. Can’t wait until we narrowly avoid relegation with the squad we have, statue incoming for such a feat.

    “Actually, I’ve only claimed that we are more organized and more disciplined than we were under late Wenger. That that is the case should be obvious to everyone with eyes.”

    Yep, our worst start to a league campaign in 37 years is the definition of improvement from Wenger.

    You have specsavers over there? Might be due a visit.

  56. Pedro

    That statistic is quite remarkable.

    Watching some of the basics Liverpool do just reminded me what good coaching looks like.

    The way the players are evenly spaced out on the pitch. The variety of ways they transition the ball out of the back from a short corner. The delivery of those crosses, even from Jordan Henderson.

    Klopp truly is the best coach in the world at the moment. City looked utterly ordinary. Though they do seem to be going through a bad patch, I’m sure Pep will have an answer.

  57. Alex Cutter

    “… Silly predictive text. I meant to write “being a spectator” …”

    It’s cute that you think anyone noticed.

  58. Dark Hei

    “And they must know that Wenger out was not an unanimous vote while Emery out is a consensus.”

    Wenger out is near unanimous. Even the guys that love Wenger realised Arsenal needed him out. We might not be as toxic in our display but we certainly wanted him out.

    Emery out is also near unanimous (Bamford, its ok to be different); with the added precedent that the universal response to Emery isn’t love or hate. It is indifference. He is so boring you can’t muster anything to feel about him.

  59. Pedro

    DH, a very pertinent point.

    We spoke about that on the podcast, I don’t even think fans can be bothered to fly a banner or plan a protest, it’s so obvious, what’s the point?!

  60. Tony

    With things being so shambolic at the club thought I’d throw us some old tunes with their best renditions, such as the one here Stairway To Heaven with Clapton, Paige and Beck:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZyMx2NXZM

    Green Grass & High Times – The Outlaws

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R82OM5tzcrk&list=RDR82OM5tzcrk&start_radio=1&t=123

    Do you feel like we do? Frampton’s best ever live version:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Yq5m9eLIQ

    Best Freebird version live at Knebworth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZyMx2NXZM

    Finally best live version of Genisis’ ‘Ripples’ again at Knebworth

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7GOvlcQWLs

    That’s it scroll on if not to your taste

  61. China1

    Yeah but Pedro you have to remember this is arsenal and the club has only ever made bold moves after the fans kicked up a fuss in the last decade

    Every major change we’ve seen has come after fans started grumbling.

    Wenger getting sacked took a full on movement perhaps unprecedented in English football. Signing pepe happened because the fans started complaining in the summer and published their pissed off manifesto. Mustafi got dropped because the fans started booing. Xhaka the same.

    I can think of next to no proactive decisions taken by the club in the last ten years. We’ve either done the obvious but 5 years too late or we’ve not done it at all until the fans started shitting on the harmonious parade

    It’s part of the club’s DNA now to be passive and reactive and I don’t think that’s changed. The only difference between now and years ago is the fans have remembered that they have a voice and using it is powerful. But so long as they think it’s obvious and they don’t need to get vocal the club will continue to bury its head in the sand as always

  62. Graham62

    After what happened under Wenger there is absolutely no chance the fans will allow things to continue the way they are under Emery.

    Emery will not be here by the end of the season. He will not be here by xmas. I personally believe that he is in his final few days at the club.

    Oh shite, I was dreaming.

    Goodmorning everyone.

  63. Siddharth14

    I don’t know if it was a one off or a false positive but Arsenal looked a different beast against Leicester in a long long time. Sure, we could have done a lot better against the 2 goals but we finally played as a team.

    Where we really suffered was going forward and causing problems to the Leicester defence. To put it mildly, we were clueless when reaching the final third. The crosses and passes into the box were a joke. Auba and laca were also largely ineffective and didn’t bother to make runs.

    In a way, the Leicester game brought on the surface a lot of bad things which are on Emery and as well as the players. In fact, the match has to be a textbook study of what is wrong with Arsenal on many levels.

    While evidence and instinct tell us that Emery is largely to blame (and rightly so), it must be said that the players also need to be held accountable for what happens on the pitch. It is not clear as day and night as many of us would believe.

    However, the management needs to analyse why we are not putting in performances like that on a regular basis. This is where Emery needs to be held accountable and serious questions need to be asked of him in this regard.

    I’m also exasperated and annoyed by the management maintaining a firm silence on Emery. Seriously, which club in this world would make use of a journalist to convey their opinions and feedback to the fans.

    The supporters need to ask these questions to the club in a loud manner. Either way, if the club want to give him the backing or are lining up a replacement, Edu or Raul have to show some courage and make a public statement by reaffirming their faith in Emery.

  64. China1

    If the fans start chanting (loudly) ‘Raul and edu are you watching?’ At the next game emery will be sacked within 48 hours.

    The fans never stopped having the power to force decisions, they just didn’t use it

  65. Graham62

    Siddharth14

    Of course you are right.

    What you have to remember though is that all this negativity surrounding the club has been festering for years. Those players that have been there for several seasons know no different. The newer players have been sucked into it.

    They hear and read things. They watch Sky and BT and see and feel the problems that exist. Imagine working in an environment where you know things are shite, but are sort of helpless to do anything to prevent things from happening. Yes, you can try and perform but, unfortunately, not all humans are built that way.

    Welcome to AFC, a club that has been on a downward spiral for far too long.

  66. Graham62

    China1

    You also are correct.

    Also if your not happy, don’t go.

    A stadium only half full would work far more effectively than a few thousand angry voices.

    It’s simple.

    “But we have to support the team”

    Oh boohoo!

  67. Tee

    Garth Crooks

    In explaining his decision to pick Vardy, Crooks said: “Twenty goals in 22 games for Leicester since the arrival of Brendan Rodgers at Leicester tells me that the former Liverpool and Celtic manager is doing with Jamie Vardy precisely what Unai Emery is not doing at Arsenal .

    “Everybody at Leicester looks like they love playing for Rodgers and no-one more so than Vardy.

    “Meanwhile Emery, who looks like he’s eaten a lemon before his post-match interviews, always appears to be at odds with his players. A manager who is constantly at war with his players is doomed.”

    Arsenal had the likes of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Alexandre Lacazette, Nicolas Pepe and Mesut Ozil at their disposal on Saturday, but could not breach Leicester’s defence.

  68. China1

    Yeah tbh it’s not even about the Leicester game

    I personally don’t care that much that we lost as it’s just one match at the end of the day and shit happens. Always the thing that matters is the higher level trend and there’s absolutely nothing about our trend that instills any confidence that the manager knows how to get 100% out of his players

    In another life we could have lost that game and the fans would have still been wildly supportive and unwavering but in that other life, the fans must have been given a reason to believe in what they were seeing

    Right now we don’t have a reason to believe. Freddie in as caretaker until the search for a serious manager is complete

  69. China1

    At the end of the day tactics are critical, selections are critical, player ability is critical, but the players have to want to play for you.

    Does anybody feel like anyone puts on their shirt and says I can’t wait to get out there today? It feels like such an unhappy slog. Even when we win it rarely feels like fun.

    Footballers care about money and success but they became footballers first and foremost because the absolutely loved kicking a ball around as kids. Anyone who stops enjoying playing is not going to play at their very best.

    Just look at ozil as a case in point

  70. Unai's Dentist

    “Freddie in as caretaker”

    Really not sold in this one however, at least it would confirm the end of Emery, guess that’s the biggest attraction?

    Emery is out of contract in 6 months, the club will (I hope) already have its shortlist for a replacement & I can only assume the names on that list are currently unattainable or perhaps the club feels that chucking the new guy into the fire will do more damage than good.

    For me, Emery can go today, bring in an experienced care taker, start the interview process now and hopefully avoid this shit show next year.

  71. Unai's

    “Freddie in as caretaker”

    Really not sold in this one however, at least it would confirm the end of Emery, guess that’s the biggest attraction?

    Emery is out of contract in 6 months, the club will (I hope) already have its shortlist for a replacement & I can only assume the names on that list are currently unattainable or perhaps the club feels that chucking the new guy into the fire will do more damage than good.

    For me, Emery can go today, bring in an experienced care taker, start the interview process now and hopefully avoid this shit show next year.

  72. Unai

    “Freddie in as caretaker”

    Really not sold in this one however, at least it would confirm the end of Emery, guess that’s the biggest attraction?

    Emery is out of contract in 6 months, the club will (I hope) already have its shortlist for a replacement & I can only assume the names on that list are currently unattainable or perhaps the club feels that chucking the new guy into the fire will do more damage than good.

    For me, Emery can go today, bring in an experienced care taker, start the interview process now and hopefully avoid this shit show next year.

  73. Tee

    China

    I concur.

    We are presently without a style of play.

    Since I started supporting afc, this is the first time arsenal loosing matches and I don’t really get moved. Like it is expected.

    Firstly, the players are not interested in Emery’s game plan. It’s like they see it as too primitive to the level of football in Vogue and they are ready to down tools till he is fired.

    Also , the board’s planned pathway to success is not visible to fans. We don’t.even know what is expected of Emery in terms of play and team organisation. It’s weird if the person of Edu don’t see anything wrong with our play and is ready to back the manager – if oeinsten is to be believed

  74. Graham62

    Imagine, for example, if Liverpool had moved into a new stadium in 2006, after just reaching the CL final( yeh, I know, just like Spuds) and after the hierarchy told the fans of moving the club forward and being able to compete at the top table.

    Now fast forward 13 years and the club has steadily regressed, and please let’s don’t blame the likes of Chelski and MC coming on the scene, and the club finds itself in a situation that they never dreamt possible.

    Do you think the Liverpool supporters would have allowed this to happen? Of course they frigging wouldn’t. Do you think they would have tolerated what Arsenal fans have had to tolerate? Do you think that they would have believed in all the garbage rhetoric dished out over the years?

    Scousers may not be as stupid as some posters on here think they are. They don’t put the manager first, they don’t put the team first. They always put the club first. Always have, always will.

    Christ, do you think the Spuds fans would tolerate 13 years of regression? Of course they wouldn’t. I know, they haven’t won anything, so it’s different. They didn’t have a manager that brought pride to our club and instilled VALUES into a psyche.

    Any fan who attends our next home game should hang their head in shame.

    What an embarrassing lot we are.

  75. Nelson

    Sid

    You are one of the few who still takes time to analyse last game. As I posted earlier, Emery came up with a tactics to defend an away game. Every player was given a task to do. The problem is, the attack is too weak. Our two strikers are good players inside the box but just average players outside the box. Should we replaced Lac by Martinelli or Pepe, the attack could be better. As I posted earlier, if the tactics can only defend, you’ll have to play a perfect game so as not to lose.

    The away form of the team is so bad, I have no problem playing three at the back away against a strong team. In the next few games, we’ll be playing against much weaker teams. Playing three at the back is a No No. It took away one of the attacker.

    Our attack can only be successful when we attack through overlapping of the FB with the winger. The striker will be tasked to finish up the chance only. Our two strikers are not like Firmino and Aguero. They don’t have the skill to buildup an attack.

    If we play Tierney, Martinelli, Bellerin and Pepe. And we play with only one striker. Our team attack should look much better than last game.

  76. Dark Hei

    Graham62

    Well done trying to fire up the fan base with your accusations.

    Maybe it will drive us to action?

    You sure are doing a better job than Emery. He loses and instead of us getting riled up, we just fall asleep.

    Doctor Sleep is one cunning mofo.

    But to do change, I will just take the easy route. Stop subscribing to Arsenal and don’t go to matches. It is easy to do so when Doc Sleep gives the footballing version of curing insomnia. Wenger use to give us heart attack. Emeryball is like cup of chamomile before bed.

    Hit them in the wallet and Raul will sing a different tune.

  77. Emiratesstroller

    I have always maintained that it is important that the head coach should have good communication skill particularly when you have a squad of players who come from so many different backgrounds.

    I had from the outset concerns about Emery because of his poor English and
    that view has not changed in view of his ongoing poor grasp of the language.

    What has not been discussed is that apart from Freddy Ljungberg all the other coaches handling the First Team Squad and Emery’s appointments are
    also of Spanish Heritage. How many of these staff members can speak the language?

    Emery brought the following staff with him..

    Juan Carcedo Assistant Manager
    Pablo Villanueva Coach
    Javi Garcia Goalkeeper Coach
    Julian Masac Strength and Conditioning Coach
    Victor Manas Data/Video Analyst

  78. Nelson

    From arseblog :”As for the Xhaka thing, they should very closely analyse Emery’s own role in that and how he contributed to the eruption we saw from both sides.”

    Granted, Xhaka should never have behaved like he did in front of the home fans. But the way Emery has hung him out to dry and didn’t protect him at all, it makes me sick.

  79. Valentin

    Nelson,

    I posted a few comment regarding the tactics used at Leicester. The initial setting made sense and was working. The issue that I had was with the personnel selected.
    The two strikers were blocking the fullback. However while Lacazette went into that work with zeal, Aubameyang was doing token gesture. Martinelli the Duracell bunny would have been more effective in that role.
    Kolasinac did not had a terrible game, but Tierney is a much better crosser and with Martinelli on the pitch we would have some aerial threat.
    In defense Bellerin was clearly struggling and Leno consistently restarting the game with a long ball toward him did not help him either. If that was the tactic from the start then AMN would have been the better choice. More athletic.
    On Thursday Holding showed that in a Back 3, he is not comfortable on the outside left. Yet Emery put him when he had Sokratis who revel in those outside the box scrap.

    The main disappointing point was that when Demaray Gray was introduced, Emery did not make any tactical adjustment to counter that new threat.

  80. Nelson

    Val

    I agree with what you wrote. Playing Tierney in midweek instead of Kola was a mistake. I just want to point out that for once, Emery came out with a defensive tactics that could work with better players. But against weaker opponents, he better comes up with something aiming to win a game.

  81. MatinellisHead

    Bumford

    ‘What evidence do you have, Pedro, that Emery’s English is a serious problem for the players and team?’

    Really? Have you ever listened to one of his press conferences? You really think broken and garbled english helps get any message across clearly and concisely? No didn’t think so.

    Bumford

    ‘ I’ve only claimed that we are more organized and more disciplined than we were under late Wenger. That that is the case should be obvious to everyone with eyes.’

    PLease look at this and tell me what it says….ALL METRICS he is worse. If we were better organised and more disciplined than under Wenger then surely there would be tangible evidence? Tell me more…

    https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Unai-Emery-worse-record-than-Arsene-Wenger-09e7.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C309&ssl=1

  82. Distant legrover

    I hear A.C. Milan or rather Gazidis wants to buy Xhaka. Is it me or Gazidis seems quite lazy with his recruitments. Always trying to buy players that their previous clubs don’t want anymore. No imagination whatsoever.

  83. Words on a Blog

    https://arseblog.news/2019/11/the-7amkickoff-index-arsenal-have-been-here-before-and-failed-to-act/

    Fantastic piece which puts Arsenal/Emery’s current predicament in a statistical and historical context. Unequivocally shows that:

    1) just as Arsenal’s management were too slow to get rid of Wenger when results declined, they are repeating the process now with Emery.

    2) underlying performances by Arsenal are in a pattern of steep decline

    3) Peak Emery has at best only just matched “average late era Wenger”

    4) it’s time for Emery to go