Don Raul: Architect of Emery disaster. What does round 2 bring?

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I am so sorry that I broke the website. I needed to freshen up things and I made the Unai Emery of IT choices. Will be fixed today.

Don Raul has been at Arsenal for about two years now.

He has overseen the rebuild of Arsenal in the post-Wenger era.

I think it’s time to ask questions about the direction he’s taking Arsenal.

Unai Emery was his decision. The Basqueman was brought in through the back door after Ivan Gazidis lost his nerve during the recruitment process. We interviewed Unai on the 10th of May and hired him on the 18th. The interview process started on April 25th, the club knew they were firing Wenger in January. Raul, without doubt, had to act as the translator in the interview. Ivan doesn’t speak Spanish, nor does Ivan Gazidis. Together, they all agreed that they were inspired by Unai Emery.

Ivan specifically noted that no one during the process pulled out. Allegri and Rangnick were on that list. We ignored Conte, Rodger and Jardim.

Absorb how hilarious the criteria list now looks:

“We had some clear criteria that we were looking for in our selection, the first was progressive, entertaining football, a personality that fits with Arsenal’s values and also a record of developing players, in particular, young players through detailed, tactical instruction and also through cultural demands, pushing players and demanding more from them.

“Obviously all football clubs have an ongoing review process, but we looked through and analysed on the basis that every coach in the world would be interested in this position. We don’t believe there is a position in world football that is more attractive than Arsenal Football Club and having gone through that process and series of references, and a good deal of analysis, we created a long-list, an eight-person list.

The list of Emery traits is even more perplexing.

“He came in extraordinarily well-prepared, with a detailed knowledge of Arsenal Football Club. He had an analysis to share with us, not just of his ways of working and of his ways of coaching, and the team of people he works with, but he had an analysis of all of our individual players, their qualities and how he feels he can help them develop individually and collectively – in detail. Also an in-depth knowledge of our off-the-field team, and how they can contribute and how Unai’s team would mesh with them productively.

I’ve not seen much of the above come through during his tenure and we’re over 15 months in. I am going to be honest here, I’m not sure the PowerPoint Emery came in with was the visionary document our leadership team would have you believe.

Did it involve binning off Ramsey? Alienating Mesut Ozil? Playing a brand of football that has the stadium as empty as it was for the dark days of Wenger FOR A SATURDAY 3PM GAME? Did it involve Xhaka as the central figure in our midfield… etc etc.

Ivan spun us a yarn about a detailed search and select process when in reality, we made a desperate panic purchase. Even basic due diligence would have uncovered the consistent passing up of leads, a bad record with big egos, difficulty learning new languages, an inability to build defences, and a reputation for desperately negative football.

Raul must be suffering buyers remorse. He bought a Robin Reliant on Ebay after 10 beers and he’s trying to convince car experts it’s a Porsche 911.

Emery put the kids out against a very average Vitoria side yesterday and flunked the tie. Europa League football was his comfort blanket, a weekly moment we could all rely on to forget the demise of our great club, but not yesterday. We managed 1 shot on target. We conceded 15 attempts, Vitoria had 4 on target. We took our 4th lead in 4 games and gave it up.

This is not a player issue, this is a coaching standards problem. Emery actually thought the defending was good.

Watching our manager in the rain hiding under his hood reminded me of Steve McClaren with the brolly when he was the England manager. He’s beaten. I’m not sure he knows how to fix a squad that doesn’t want to respond to ideas.

It’s clear this isn’t a long term solution, but the big fear is what comes next.

Raul thought Unai Emery was a protagonist that painted beautiful football. How can we trust him with the next step, which is basically another rebuild?

He’s been with the club for 2 years now and he’s dining out with Jose Mourinho during a crisis. The rumour was denied, but that story came from The Times and was penned by a proper journalist. How can our Football CEO be so irresponsible? How can you look at Jose’s deeply noxious relationship with the club and be captivated? How can you look at the way he has crashed every club he goes to and want some of that for The Arsenal? Beggars belief… but look, this is a man that was inspired by Unai Emery.

Worse still, how can you think our owners are going to want him in our dugout? Not because Stan K cares, more because of what Jose represents to their day to day. Ivan and Arsene were given the keys to Arsenal for so many years because they understood the Kroenke’s wanted the easy life. They owners have real estate DNA. They want tenants with fat kids and boring lives. They don’t want teenagers that are causing havoc at all hours. Jose Mourinho is a noisy tenant. He’s a bad egg to start with, so the press whirlwind is going to cause them anxiety. He isn’t at the cutting edge of coaching, so the only way he can win these days is by writing cheques. He’s a wrecking ball to a carefully built club infrastructure, so he’ll be expensive to move on. His football will have the fans miserable once the ‘Special One’ sauce rubs off after 3 months.

Do you think that is the sort of manager the Kroeke’s are going to indulge?

In LA, KSE are giving chances to young coaches that are innovative and entertaining. Are they really going to sign off on the most prolific arsonist in football management?

I hope not.

That said, I’m not sure there’s a plan in the works to replace Emery.

If it’s not Jose Mourinho, it’ll have to be Freddie Ljungberg. I love the guy, but I think we could be welcoming another problem. He’s a lovable risk, but his coaching credentials are working under Unai Emery and getting relegated with Joncker in Germany. I could be totally wrong, I hope I am, but I don’t think we’re hiring our way out of this mess if we move Emery on this weekend.

Oddly, we’re almost in a position where it’s more dangerous to sack Emery.

We should be making a well thought out decision right now, one for the future, one that is backed by detailed and insightful recommendations, not moving hard on a has-been or a coach very early in his career that has already relegated a team.

Bayern Munich fired Kovac and they were linked heavily with Arsene Wenger yesterday. Rapha H, the defacto go-to on all things Bayern says he’s not on the shortlist. Point is, it’s slim pickings. Worth noting, Ralph Rangnick wouldn’t even entertain a phone call with them. That’s how tough the job market is. I also don’t think we’ll move for Allegri, he has a big financial appetite and I suspect the club passed on him for a very specific reason last time. Maybe dry football and issues with language were the sticking point? Ironic if that were the case.

We are in a disastrous position now. Big trouble awaits. We didn’t move on Emery this summer despite it being absolutely clear he was not going to drive us forward. I can have some sympathy for Edu, he’s new to Arsenal, but Raul? A few shiny transfers that have so far tanked will not gloss over his choice of Unai Emery. That’s on him. Rectifying it with Jose Mourinho will further prove out my fear that he’s not the full package we hoped for.

The mutterings I hear about current situation are not positive. Take that how you will, but I have sailed pretty close to the truth on the big narratives, I consistently hear from people close to the action that the new setup is not right.

Raul can hide behind Ivan G, but he was the football guy. He can push Edu into the mix, but he’s new. He owns the mess. He owns the PR debacle of Xhaka and Mesut Ozil. He was responsible for the Mourinho dinner.

It’s time to clean up and start delivering on fixing the mess. It’s time to craft a plan. It’s time to prove that he truly is a Don, because as it stands, he’s looking more and more like a used car salesman trying his hand at running a space agency.

Let’s see what happens next, but beware the tonic of change, it might have a nasty aftertaste.

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  1. salpardisenyc

    Dissenter

    I’m under no illusion the next manager will likely be THE fix, doesn’t mean I need to get behind a Mourinho hire. Although if one takes all the bullshit away and goes pure playing front he’d have us so much more competitive than Emery.

    But then theres a whole host of others who would as well without having to make a vampirical deal and partake in the bloodletting.

  2. Un na naai

    Cesc AppealNovember 7, 2019 19:46:33
    Quite clear the club wanted Upamecano as well but rightfully said no way to £70-80 Million.I think Luiz was the best of a tight situation.

    Cesc
    With all due respect mate you were crowing from the rooftops over Ceballos

  3. Valentin

    Marc,

    Like I said look at how much the players bought would fetch now.
    Guendouzi bought for £7.2 millions is now valued at £40 millions.
    Saliba has been bought for £27 millions. Real Madrid is now interested and may try to bid for him for €50 millions.
    I have never said that Sven was a god. It has been clear that he may be difficult to work with. But I would rather have somebody difficult to work with who is competent at his job.

  4. Cesc Appeal

    Cesc AppealNovember 7, 2019 19:46:33
    Quite clear the club wanted Upamecano as well but rightfully said no way to £70-80 Million.I think Luiz was the best of a tight situation.Cesc
    With all due respect mate you were crowing from the rooftops over Ceballos

    This doesn’t make sense.

  5. Un na naai

    LeedsgunnerNovember 7, 2019 19:41:49
    Silly season has truly sprung early.

    Leeds
    You must be a gas engineer….

  6. Marc

    Cesc

    I’ve got to admit I really don’t know. Mourinho and Benitez are big no’s to me as is Rogers.

    Ultimately the best choice is going to be someone a bit leftfield who has some experience but is still on the upward curve. If you know who that is let me know the winning lottery numbers while you’re at it!

    With all that in mind I wouldn’t be surprised to see Enrique if he’s ready to come back to work / resettle his family.

    Would he work out – no idea?

  7. Marc

    Valentin

    Your making obvious statements about wanting someone competent. Sven’s performance at Arsenal has not proved to be anything to go on about.

  8. Un na naai

    Cesc

    Because your judgement has clearly been impaired by your obsession with Wenger

    You called Ceballos so so so wrong and you called Luiz wrong. You were so desperate for any new signing to be a success to cover Wenger in shite you lost sight of weather or not they were actually a good fit

    I’ve seen your comments down the years
    I know you know what you’re talking about
    Which is why I’m so surprised at your last 18 months
    You’re blinded with bias

  9. Cesc Appeal

    Marc

    WE provided a good list a little while ago.

    He championed the Atalanta manager.

    You’ve got the Monchengladbach as well who is doing well so far.

    Still have Nagelsmann in the mix.

  10. Luteo Guenreira

    Un

    I can’t help but notice when someone tries to be smart and/or funny and they fail. That’s every fucking comment from Yamford so he can blame his own self for my attention. Anyone can honestly have any opinion they want, it’s more about how it’s presented to others.

    I’ve said this to him before, but as soon as he stops talking bullshit, watch how quickly I’d stop addressing him. I yearn for that day, almost as much as Bam-Bam yearns for a facial from OGS.

    Charlie
    More like bUllYbOy123. I would have just called you cunt and have been done with it. Yamford is probably teaching Troilus and Cressida in his class or something. “Valiant as a lion, churlish as a bear. ” I still can’t get over the time he tried to refer to “Yank” as the “Y-word”.

  11. Champagne Charlie

    Bati
    Do we need a pure Dm though? Have my doubts on that one, just a tactically disciplined and competent midfielder for me, Arteta with legs would be amazing.

    On talk for PL experience…

    That’s precisely the argument I made in the summer when clamouring for Zaha over Pepe, for Doucoure over Torreira (who was linked away).

    Profile, and league proven. Both were shot down by numerous because Pepe was seen as exotic, sock spunking, goodness and ‘Torreira is a beast’.

    We’d be in better shape with those two changes imo. Same goes for this summer, Grealish is the lad for me at Ozil and Ceballos’ expense. Diop probably the pick of PL defenders with a good all-around profile.

    Ruben Neves is a gem too, but stupid price you have to imagine.

  12. CG

    UN

    “””We should have brought in Jack Grealish this summer””””

    Off course , we should have.

    OOdles of natural ability. Oodles and oodles.

    If those calves dont get the juices going….nothing will.

    Especially when Villa flunked the play offs against Fulham.

    Indeed our Graham suggested it first, from memory..

    One problem.
    He ain’t Spanish.

    And If there is no cut in it for Don Raul he ain’t coming….

    He dont do Brum.

  13. Un na naai

    Luteo

    Mate. Work away. Was just a joke/observation.
    It’s funny because many of your footballing and political views line up but you clearly can’t tolerate the condescension.

    He livens the place up though so credit where it’s due
    Fella is clearly trolling at this point and so so so needy for attention but my god does he create a flurry of comments for Pedro

  14. Cesc Appeal

    Luteo

    If you’re talking short term options mid-season I’m fine with him.

    A slight improvement in defensive and midfield solidity could be enough to see us get top 4. I’m almost certain Mourinho could deliver that.

    He’s an utter shit house, but again, I wouldn’t mind him leaving some of that behind. Address the pussy attitude Wenger bred into this team and Emery seems to be allowing as well.

    Arsenal are a team full of men who would watch you fuck their wives and then offer to wipe your cock afterwards.

    It would feel dirty to have him as manager, but he’s one of the few that can quickly address our defensive issues and he has the personality and authority to get the squad in line even if they know he’s there for a short time.

  15. Un na naai

    If those calves dont get the juices going….nothing will.

    You love a good calf cg. You must be a cattle farmer 😂 😂
    Agree entirely, calves aside

    Congrats on your recent rugby win by the way
    Could go a long way to helping to unify south afrika
    I know it will take a lot more than that but things like this help.

  16. Luteo Guenreira

    I wouldn’t pick Jose for the short term if Emery gets sacked. History being obviously the main reason. But also, he’s a more defensive coach and I feel like the defensive capabilities of the current squad fall far short of the offensive potential. Would like a more offensive minded coach.

    Hate to say it but with Lampard showing someone with little top managing experience can be successful, Arteta doesn’t sound as bad as he did last year. I know it’s early and Frank had his season with Derby, but taking a youthful punt may not be the worst idea, I mean it’s better than Emery or Mourinho IMO.

  17. Un na naai

    PedroNovember 7, 2019 19:59:46
    Wenger bumped by Bayern, quite sad to watch.

    Genuinely sad or secretly savouring?

    I’ll be honest. I find it genuinely sad. Great man. Maybe the greatest in our history and our own fans revel in his misery
    He did more for arsenal than anyone for 100 years or arguably, ever.

  18. Batistuta

    Charlie

    I’d much prefer a pure DM, someone like Ndidi who just sits and protects and recycles too, let’s the guys in front of him do their thing but I’m with you on getting premier league experienced players in, like Liverpool did before splurging on Keita. Get in guys who know the league and are to an extent more likely to hit the ground running immediately… Dunno about Grealish but all in for Doucoure, he’s wasting away at Watford though he too does love to venture foward a lot but he has got a very good engine on him, can run for days….

    Mentioned Giasperini the Atalanta coach the other day and i dont know who mentioned he was 61 already and hadn’t won anything but if you wanted to go left with regards a manager, I’d be all over that or in Mendez ears about getting NES from Wolves…..Personally not sold on the whole Freddie, Arteta, newbie who’s flavour of the month names that pop up here sometimes

  19. RodneyKing

    Ricardo Pereira and Ndidi are currently in the top 5 for most tackles won. Two players in the same team. Let that sink in.

    And which keeper has made the most saves? Our very own Leno. Tells you all you need to know about how easy it is to get past our midfield.

    However, anyone intent on giving credit solely to Rogers should remember that Ndidi was already showing signs of potential before he took over. A manager’s job is made easier by the quality he has at his disposal.

    We’ll concede far fewer goals and attempts with defenders who can actually defend and midfielders who can tackle.

  20. Luteo Guenreira

    Cesc

    I hear you though. I honestly am not as revolted at the prospect as I thought I might have been, maybe even up until two months. Says a lot about the state of things. Going the Mou route feels like I’m trying to win an election with a Russian’s help or something similarly unsettling like that.

  21. Un na naai

    RedtruthNovember 7, 2019 20:01:37
    Emery has achieved more in his first season than Wenger’s last 12 seasons.

    Hahahahahahahha

    Best comment ever.
    RT it’s my daughters birthday soon
    How much are your clown services?

    That joker film. Wasn’t based on you was it? Dropping the gun in a kids ward
    You pleb

  22. Marko

    But I thought Wenger was doing a good/reasonable but far from perfect job under the passive Kroenke regime.You don’t.Only time will tell who was right.

    ???

  23. Un na naai

    Luteo GuenreiraNovember 7, 2019 20:06:16
    CescI hear you though. I honestly am not as revolted at the prospect as I thought I might have been, maybe even up until two months. Says a lot about the state of things. Going the Mou route feels like I’m trying to win an election with a Russian’s help or something similarly unsettling like that.

    😂
    Luteo
    No politics on this blog please
    I may respond and get told off

    Pedro is secretly my little brother
    That’s why I haven’t been banned

  24. Ishola70

    Don

    “He pulled xakha into the quarter back position”

    That’s his position ya monkey. DLP, quarterback call it what you want.

    Where else was the idiot meant to play?

    Wenger played him DLP quarterback after we all saw his assertion that Xhaka was a box to box CM was a load of nonsense.

    And remember Xhaka was a player you had time for not so long ago. In his “quarter-back” position.

  25. Marko

    Thing is Kessie isn’t a pure DM and that’s what we need

    Exactly. I mean I wouldn’t say no but at the same time again just sign up a DM ffs. How much longer do we go without addressing such a glaring and obvious weakness. We have no one who sits and protects the back 4 and who recycles the ball consistently and it needs to be addressed

  26. Cesc Appeal

    Luteo

    It would be strange to see him as manager of Arsenal, I remember years back people saying that Arsenal was a quite he’d always wanted to manage though.

    I could see him making us a lot better in the short term.

    The issue would be whether the club then can keep moving and would make long term plans.

    I wouldn’t want him here for an extended duration. But long enough to fix our defence, to demand the club focus recruitment on defensive players (his natural inclination) and then leave a solid and well drilled defence and defensive midfield…fine by me.

  27. Champagne Charlie

    Bati

    No, I get that, just prefer more of a footballer in the position than a tackle merchant – I favour team responsibility in terms of defending. But one thing desperately missing is a gifted tactical player there, Arteta criminally underrated when he played for us as such imo. Someone with his brain, but more athleticism would be a stunning player for us.

    Not a fan of Grealish? I like him a lot, like a more industrious, if less refined, Jack Wilshere with better end product. I think handling the Championship really benefits some players, it’s all or nothing every game.

    Manager-wise I’m not especially well-versed. I like the idea of an Arteta or Vieira sort, I also see value in a true pragmatic coach as someone to rebalance us. I’d favour the latter at present honestly, then with a couple of years progression give the club to a real visionary in much better shape than it currently is. Just think we’re numb to defending and being a hard team to play/beat. Get that back in and then hire the sauce-merchant for me.

  28. CG

    Thanks UN

    Not a rugby aficionado but makes the locals happy.

    Rugby obsessed here.

    How British scouts are not all over this place and all its raw materials amaze me

    I can find better players than Pepe,Tierney et al within 3 hours.

    Exasperating.

  29. Marko

    CA WE also mentioned Jorge Jesus who’s doing a great job at Flamengo but he’s 65 and Gasperini is 61 and never managed outside of Italy so that’s gotta be a no. Nagelsmann has no English and isn’t likely to leave midseason a club like Leipzig. For me I see no reason why we couldn’t get Fonseca Rose or Van Bronkhorst. Pay the clubs what they want and move on

  30. Champagne Charlie

    Gerrard won’t manage anyone outside Liverpool, he’s comfy earning his stripes at the biggest club in Scotland (fuck you Un) and letting Klopp do his thing.

    Alfredo Morelos is such a player from them though, budget Tevez who a mid-table Prem side would be mad not to go after. He’d be electric at West Ham

  31. Un na naai

    Ishola

    Aaaah please
    Answer this
    You want goals from midfield (like the chavs) but you don’t want willock (our highest goal scoring midfielder) to start.

    Please
    I’m still trying to work this one out
    Hilarious
    I’m expecting another unicorn so please don’t disapy

  32. Un na naai

    RedtruthNovember 7, 2019 20:13:34
    Emery’s made a European Final which is more than Wenger could muster in his last 12 years.

    Rt you batty hole
    Emery has never been past the QF of champions league

    Wenger been past it 3 times
    Loooool
    He’s never even made the semis
    Loooool

  33. salparadisenyc

    “For me I see no reason why we couldn’t get Fonseca Rose or Van Bronkhorst. Pay the clubs what they want and move on.”

    Who we paying for Van Bronkhorst?

  34. Champagne Charlie

    Is it Danilo who plays for Porto and was previously linked?

    He looks straight out the William Carvalho draw to me, not the ticket at all. Get some ballers from Porto, then some complete turnips. Funny league.

  35. Marko

    Sal Gio is at City. He’s the one reportedly being groomed post Pep. Which makes more sense to me than Mikel given he’s actually got experience in management and has shown promise. In three seasons at Fayenoord he won two cups and the league for the first time in 18 years. In my mind if you want to take a punt on up and coming he’s up and coming.

  36. RodneyKing

    Lampard may not have used the kids all that much. At least not in his first season for obvious reasons. Right now he’s hoping for the ban to be lifted so he can utilize the January transfer window.

    Playing with kids can be great, but they’ll have their ups and downs. He’s fortunate to have the likes of Jorginho, Willian, Kovacic, Alonso, Azpilicueta and Kante there to support the kids.

  37. Redtruth

    Un na naai

    How many European Trophies has Wenger won during his 34 year managerial career.?

    How many European Trophies has Emery won during his 14 year managerial career. ?

  38. salparadisenyc

    Marko

    GVB stated himself its an interim move/role with City until he returns to management leaving door wide open for offers with likely zero financial hurdle.

    Definitely did better work at Feyenoord than the path dinosaur Advocaat has them on.

    In the end theirs a host of up comers that could be quality at this club, massive pool of young and emerging managers in game at moment.

  39. Graham62

    Why are people still comparing Emery with Wenger.

    Wenger was 7.5 on the Richter scale of cluelessness for about 8 years.

    Emery is a 9 after just 18 months.

    No comparison.

    They are both failures but on different levels.

  40. Pedro

    Marko, City has Barca execs that have promoted from within for Pep and Tito.

    They actually know Arteta.

    Gio might be a great talent, but he’s coming from a weak Dutch league, he’s an unknown to them, so carries a similar risk.

  41. Pedro

    Which, as Sal pointed out, is why New York is earmarked… because Arteta is the man they want to take over from Pep.

  42. Ishola70

    Don

    Willock has had the top end EPL games to stack a claim and show us that he is a goal grabbing AM. He didn’t show us this in the proper first team games. He was average in some and disappointing in others being subbed off.

    He has scored a few goals in the second string games including a very good goal against Liverpool.

    Mount has scored his goals and shown in the top end EPL matches.

    Pulisic has shown and scored goals in the top end EPL matches.

    This is why Mount is currently valued at 31m and Pulisic at 52m.

    Willock is valued at this time at 9m.

    I really want to believe we have a great player on our hands in Willock I really do as you imply but how you are over-rating the guy at this present time.

  43. Champagne Charlie

    You’d think some of these folk would soften on the Arteta bollocks, we’re literally mid-cringe at the previous “sensible” appointment.

  44. Marko

    Gio might be a great talent, but he’s coming from a weak Dutch league, he’s an unknown to them, so carries a similar risk.

    I’d rather not get into this sort of thing because you take it personal or are sensitive to the topic but what I will say is that it beggars believe how a person can downplay the potential of one up and coming manager who’s actually got experience and success in management and yet can wax lyrical about a coach who hasn’t even started his career in management.

    City has Barca execs that have promoted from within for Pep and Tito.They actually know Arteta.

    Not so sure Pelegrini would agree with that.

  45. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola

    What’s your fascination in value suddenly?

    You’re talking up Pulisic and Mount, but Ceballos and Guendouzi are valued at 40 mil, Torreira at 49 mil, Pepe at 67 mil.

    Martinelli is valued at 7 mil so do everyone a favour trading figures like they mean fuck all in supporting your view of a player.

  46. Marko

    New York is earmarked… because Arteta is the man they want to take over from Pep.

    You simply don’t know that. It’s more likely that a manager at one of their feeder clubs takes over rather than an assistant coach. The red bull approach it seems.

  47. Redtruth

    Graham62
    “Wenger was 7.5 on the Richter scale of cluelessness for about 8 years”
    “Emery is a 9 after just 18 months.”

    What level of cluelessness was Wenger on in his last 12 months ?

  48. Marko

    You’d think some of these folk would soften on the Arteta bollocks,

    Someone preferring that we hire a manager as opposed to an assistant coach isn’t bollocks. Don’t be ridiculous

  49. Pedro

    Marko, they work with Arteta every single day, they have a clear understanding of who he is and what he can do. Barca folk like to hire from within.

    ‘Beggars belief’

    City have looked at Gio and they see him as a NYC manager. That’s not my doing. I’m just pointing out that one of the best run clubs might know what they’re doing.

  50. Guvnor

    Please just ignore RedTruth, he’s a tragic loser who trolls this platform to get responses from people, because he feels utterly ignored and invisible in the outside world. It’s really pitiful to witness.

    I’d be fascinated to see a window in to his life right now. I have a sobering image of a repulsive and sweaty, obese Andrew Lloyd Webber lookalike, sat nose to screen in a damp grief hole. A wafting smell of helm cheese constantly in the air, whilst boxes of empty Kleenex tissues litter the surfaces. There’s a mirror on the wall but he never looks in it because he hates what he sees. Hopefully one day when his mum turns off the router he will be unable to use this platform to feed his illness.

  51. Guvnor

    Please just ignore RedTruth, he’s a tragic loser who trolls this platform to get responses from people, because he feels utterly ignored and invisible in the outside world. It’s really pitiful to witness.

    I’d be fascinated to see a glimpse in to his life right now. I have a sobering image of a repulsive and sweaty, obese Andrew Lloyd Webber lookalike, sat nose to screen in a damp grief hole. A wafting smell of helm cheese constantly in the air, whilst boxes of empty Kleenex tissues litter the surfaces. There’s a mirror on the wall but he never looks in it because he hates what he sees. Hopefully one day his mum will turn off the router and he will be unable to use this platform to feed his illness.

  52. Ishola70

    Charlie

    The point still stands.

    If Willock doesn’t show in the top end EPL games he is picked like he hasn’t then he will not be thought of as in the same vein as Pulisic or Mount at this time.

    Pulisic was a 52m signing from Dortmund ffs

  53. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola

    No I don’t think any point stands when you state Willock is valued 9 mil as if that supports an argument – when Martinelli is valued at 7 mil.

    Seems more like you’ve grasped at a straw to belittle Willock and its a flimsy one.

  54. Marko

    Barca folk like to hire from within.

    Since Soriano and Begiristan took over at City they hire zero managers from within with connection to the club. There’s also plenty of Barca managers that weren’t hired from within.

  55. Ishola70

    Charlie

    You are not addressing the main point.

    Willock hasn’t shown in the top end EPL games when he has been picked. Average in some, disappointing in others.

    Martinelli we have all seen has talent but again his worth will really go up when he bags goals in the EPL top end games.

    I’ve got nothing per se against Willock. Hope he proves good. It’s just Don’s ridiculous over-rating of him at this current time.

  56. Marko

    Anyone see Wenger confirm Ramsey wanted to stay?

    Another great soundbite from the great man. Unless there was a single contract offer and it was one pulled from us post Wenger then he is quite clearly lying. His last Arsenal contract was signed in December 2012 and he left just this past summer and we’re to believe that he wanted to stay? I’m not buying it

  57. Marko

    Torrent and Vieira were both internal hires for NYFC, thats the model.

    Right. But are they going to be considered for the main gig? Apparently it’s already been offered to Mikel and everyone else is being groomed for New York. Nah I’m not buying it. I can’t believe 4-6 years of being an assistant means Mikel would be a shoe in over say a Van Bronkhorst or Vieira who are actually out there doing it.

  58. Marko

    sure the puppies/the dopes/ the punch drunk/ the cowards/ the bobN16s will turn the other cheek and hope for the best.

    ???

    Some company that bob is in

  59. Danny

    Can’t wait for the Wenger autobiography to come out.
    ——————————
    A book which will contain a 100 lies per page, if you like fiction then sure go ahead and read it.

  60. Champagne Charlie

    Any of you armchair scouts know much about Porto’s young lad Fabio Silva?

    He looks like he’s got his GCSE’s to take yet but some feet on him, tricky fucker.

  61. Marko

    Charlie the lad is 17 and already being linked with all the big dick clubs if that does it for you. Apparently a talent but no Haaland though

  62. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    He’s got a Pablo Aimar vibe to him, you never know how much substance there is to these technical sorts but after Felix recently he’s worth a second and third look I reckon.

    That Danilo is mank though, big unit, but not at all surprised nobody in the Prem has pulled the trigger.

  63. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieNovember 7, 2019 20:21:04
    Gerrard won’t manage anyone outside Liverpool, he’s comfy earning his stripes at the biggest club in Scotland (fuck you Un)

    Pfffff
    For a man who lives of data, don’t make me lay the last decade of league winners on you chuck.

  64. Bob N16

    Marko, it’s as though he goes to games! He ironically is the type of ‘supporter’ who gives Arsenal fans a bad name. Constantly sniping, contributing nothing of worth.

    CG referred to people who go to games as zombie-like, or words to that effect, and I called him out on it. I don’t really give a toss what he has to say, for the most part I scroll past his ‘content’ but I think that’s why I get a category of my own. By singing up for my team during home games, he has the necessary bullshit to have a go at me as he sits by his keyboard incessantly littering the Legrove comments section.

    I am now ignoring him.

  65. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieNovember 7, 2019 21:32:14
    Morelos now with an assist.Rangers 2 – 0 Porto Get it up you Un

    Let the people sing chuck

  66. Un na naai

    MarkoNovember 7, 2019 21:59:17
    Bob as I’m sure you’re aware the guy is stupid therefore you can’t really take anything he says seriously.

    Looool
    Says the man who backed emery

  67. Graham62

    So just to confirm, both Rangers and Celtic are better than Arsenal.

    In 2006 we were the second best team in Europe.

    When Wenger left, in 2018, we were about the 36th best team.

    As it stands, we’d just about make top 50.

    Am I right?

    Now where do we stand?

  68. Pedro

    Gallardo is an exciting manager for sure.

    Graham, I think we’re a bad team under Emery, not sure we’re that bad though.

  69. Marko

    So just to confirm, both Rangers and Celtic are better than Arsenal.

    Apparently so. If you were to believe everything you read or listen to a complete idiot.

  70. RodneyKing

    Surely, Ramsey wanted to stay. Just like Nasri, Fabregas and RVP before him. The common thread being that the club weren’t willing to match their demands.

    Ramsey is gone. He did what was best for him in the end.

  71. Un na naai

    Graham62November 7, 2019 22:22:22
    So just to confirm, both Rangers and Celtic are better than Arsenal.In 2006 we were the second best team in Europe.When Wenger left, in 2018, we were about the 36th best team.As it stands, we’d just about make top 50.Am I right?Now where do we stand?

    Graham

    Ok old fella but come on, not sure how any of that makes Celtic better than arsenal
    We are shit in relative terms but let’s nit go OTT

  72. salparadisenyc

    Marko

    Not Barca anymore, all about the City football group and what there attempting to do within the umbrella is point.

    Coaches linked to either the club itself or Barca from time this leadership group was there.

    Guardiola, Vieira, Torrent, Arteta, GVB, Albert Puig, Unzue, Sacristán the list goes on.

  73. CG

    graham

    “””””So just to confirm, both Rangers and Celtic are better than Arsenal”””

    Stenhousemuir would beat us under Emery.

    He would go Ochilview Park and play 3 at the back and say after a 3 nil drubbing:

    – they are dangerous on the counter
    – they are very good defensively
    – losing 3 nil here- is better than last year.

    tick tock and good ebening

  74. China1

    Lol graham wtf

    In wengers worst season we were still the 5th best team in the worlds strongest league

    Also European placement is not the only barometer of quality. It’s a bigger achievement to make the semi finals of a EL than it is to be group whipping boys of a CL group stage.

    Not that I’m defending wenger emery or arsenal but surely this is common sense

  75. China1

    Freddie may or may not have what it takes but if we haven’t got a serious manager lined up he can do a caretaker job starting immediately as far as I’m concerned

  76. Emiratesstroller

    I don’t understand why there is such an obsession still to talk about Wenger. He is passe and there is life after him.

    The current discussion should now revolve around Emery. The reality is that
    after 14 months we are seeing clearly that he is not a success despite having
    £230 million+ transfer budget.

    Let’s be honest the football is awful to watch and we are struggling in almost
    every game we play. We cannot hold onto a lead to save our life.

    We have known for several seasons that our defence is porous and nothing
    has changed there.

    However, the real concern since Emery has joined the club is the lack of balance and dysfunctionality of our midfield.

    Last season Emery made an early decision to offload Ramsey. This was followed by the limited use of Torreira from January onwards with reports
    that the player is unhappy at the club and now wants to leave.

    We recruited Suarez from Barcelona and paid a loan fee for a player who proved useless and played few minutes for the club.

    It has been clear for a long time that the relationship between Emery and Ozil
    is also not very good and there have been unsuccessful attempts to offload him. Ozil’s game time this season is also minimal.

    Now we have also a serious problem with Xhaka as well with the possibility
    that he may not play for first team again.

    So we have on the books three unhappy midfielders and that department and
    our playing options are utterly threadbare and frankly as we saw on Wednesday neither defensively solid nor creative.

    All this is having a negative impact on our strike force who are not getting the
    service they need.

    I think that it is crystal clear by now that Emery lacks the personality or the ideas to turn around the situation. It is not going to improve with him in the
    job.

    The dilemma is that if we keep him there is little or no prospect of qualifying
    for Champions League and perhaps more importantly we could land up losing
    a couple of key players.

    The club needs to start looking for a replacement head coach as soon as possible and not delay the process. Personally I am in the Pedro camp. I want
    to see the club recruit a young head coach with proven coaching background
    and fresh ideas.

    Coaches like Mourinho are like Wenger the past and not what we should be looking at.

  77. bennydevito

    Wenger on Ramsey: ” I met him once. He wanted to stay at Arsenal. They had an agreement from what I understood and the club went back on that. I tried a long time to extend his contract.”

    So why didn’t Ramsey sign it when Wenger was trying to extend it?

    Because he wanted £400K pw that’s why. Not worth it, always injured, club did the right thing.

  78. Freddie Ljungberg

    Talks that Torreira is seeking an exit in January, can’t say I blame him.
    Was very impressed by him first half of last season, tailed off and is now played out of position, also never seemed to have settled into life in England.

    If the Kessie swap deal rumours are true I’d take that, he’s at least built for the league.
    Get him and Sangare/Zakaria in January to replace Xhaka and Torreira and we should stop leaking so many bloody chances.

    Get a capable CAM and CB in the summer and we’d be a lot better equipped to challenge the top 2 in a few years.

    Time for Raul and Edu to earn their bread in the international break and find a new manager, preferably a long term option but short term is fine too if our targets are not available, as long as it’s not Mourinho I’m ok.

  79. Nelson

    As long as we want to accommodate both strikers, the team will always be imbalance. The two strikers are only good in shooting inside the box. Their passing capability outside the box is below average.

    I prefer we play Auba, Pepe and Martinelli as our front three. Lac can come in as substitute.

  80. Jack

    I am strictly in anti Mourinho camp. I do believe he is a shiny wrecking ball. The shiny part does have some initial dividends, but a wrecking ball is exactly what it is…a wrecking ball.

    If Mourinho does ever become a manager at Arsenal I would be boycotting Arsenal FC as long as he is the manager. Football I agree is about winning trophies, but I always believed Arsenal FC believed in winning trophies with certain values and style intact.

    Enrique, Viera are some of the names that come to mind.

    Hope we as a club make right decisions and importantly make them quick.

  81. Graham62

    Torreira leaving would be a shame.

    Here is a guy who, we all know, wants to win. His strengths are being nullified by Emery’s insistence that he gets forward, which is alien to his game. We should be using him like a sponge to mop up the threats and create a defensive shield behind the midfield unit.

    I genuinely feel for the guy but can totally understand why he would want to leave this shitfest under Emery.

    Emery is being negligent in so many aspects of his tactics and player selection that I’m sure many other players feel like Torreira.

    Whether he stays or goes, I wish him well.

  82. habesha gooner

    For me the safest bet right now would be Benitez. Pragmatic and a Clear defensive plan. Napoli became a champions league team after him. It wouldn’t be that exciting but I think he would get us top four this year. No to Mourinho please. Explosion is what is going to come out of his tenure. And pedro putting all the blame on Raul for the Emery hire is really as reactionary as it gets. Now how much of Emery he is going to tolerate is what I think he should be judged on. and branding a really good squad overhaul to tanking shiny signings because of an underperforming manager, Getting worked up about a dinner with Mourinho that you don’t know for sure happened is really holding on to straws to criticize the man.

  83. bennydevito

    I don’t know why Raul’s getting the blame for Emery when it was an equal 3 man decision between Gazidis, Raul & Sven from an 8 man shortlist that Emery was on that go whittled down to 3. They then all went away to decide on the remaining 3 in order of preference so as not to influence each other’s decision and Emery was put in first place on each 3 of the bit of paper submitted.

    This was reported on the dot com and straight from Gazidis’s mouth in various interviews.

    I’d rather believe the truth of that matter than the he said she said on the seashore rumours of the Spanish old boys club bollocks being touted about because that’s exactly what it is; bollocks.

  84. bennydevito

    I’ve got the feeling that the club will stick with Emery until the end of the season. I read that sources close to the club have said they don’t want to make the same mistakes as Utd did by chopping and changing willy nilly by order of the mob.

    I think Emery needs to go simply because he can’t just choose one system and stick to it so the players can get used to it and play to their strengths rather than continuously changing to try and nullify the opposition. It’s like we’ve gone from one extreme to the other; with Wenger it was play the same way regardless of opposition and don’t bother devising tactics for the harder teams. With Emery it’s change tactics and personnel every game and don’t bother trying to actually win matches. What we need is something in the middle learning towards playing more attacking first and rotating mainly for freshness, and setting up more defensively against better teams away from home.

    Keep it simple. It is only football.

    Tick tock.

  85. Pierre

    Benny
    Makes no difference who’s to blame , what is important is that we rid ourselves of Emery ASAP.

    The worst thing that could happened to Emery is Arsenal going on that 22 game unbeaten run.
    He started to believe his own hype and it has cost him his job.

    At that time , he had probably 95% of the fan base behind him ( not me as I could see right through him).
    He decided to flex his muscles to show the players who’s boss , and it has backfired on him massively..

    Marginalising Ramsey, Ozil and to a lesser extent Lacazette was a crass decision and has come back to haunt him.

    Many fans were suckered in by what they regarded as a show of strength by the manager , personally I always believed it was a show of ignorance and stupidity.

    It was all down to Ramsy ,Ozil and Lacazette showing very slight disapproval at being substituted and Emery took exception to it, and the decisions that Emery took around that time were the start of his demise.

    Emery is now getting what he deserves and will suffer for his actions , he will never get a top job again due to his stupidity .

    One year ago he had 95% of the fan base behind him , now he has 95% of the fan base against him ….how the mighty have fallen eh.

    He will walk out of Arsenal football club with his tail between his legs….

  86. Bob N16

    Graham, completely agree with your Torreira views. He wears his heart on his sleeve, always gives 100% and has been most about with by Emery.

    Can’t quite get it in my head about Xhaka, before he shat his bed I was looking forward to his 5th booking as the only way we wouldn’t see him in our starting line up. Now it’s appears he’s been ostracised completely. Wish our midfield would show real signs of improvement though.

  87. bennydevito

    Pierre,

    The Ramsey and Ozil situations were a management decision, not Emery. Ramsey was holding out for £400K and was actually playing until he got injured. They were hoping to move him on in January for a fee but he agreed a deal with Juve. Once he was free of injury he was back in the side until near the end of the season when he got injured again.

    As for Ozil, we’ve already had that discussion umpteen times. You can keep trying to spin it your way but that doesn’t make it the truth.

  88. Pierre

    Benny
    This tells a different story …

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-unai-emery-aaron-ramsey-16901770.amp&ved=2ahUKEwi8-viHm9rlAhVYQEEAHZdkCH0QFjAFegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0x-zd4KyjzLSvg3zl7ASxN&ampcf=1

    Ramsey was benched for 9 consecutive league games .

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.espn.co.uk/football/arsenal/story/3682135/arsenal-star-mesut-ozils-angry-reaction-after-substitution-normal-unai-emery%3Fplatform%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwjU8c7amdrlAhVPe8AKHQJhCnIQFjAHegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3cNCAF8CfO3hnimaVqVJ0T&ampcf=1&cshid=1573202040463

    Ozil marginalised after this reaction.

  89. Ishola70

    We have heard all this nonsense before in relation to Ramsey when other players have left the club that are seen as noteworthy.

    And isn’t it funny when these sort of players leave Arsenal they always seem to end up on their arse in a club that is seen as a progression move.

    Coincidental I’m sure.

  90. Pierre

    Actually ishola, the links and where they from are immaterial.

    The point I was making is that Emery took exception to, first Ramsey and then Ozil showing their disappointment at being substituted , and the time line is proof of that.

    Ramsey was benched for 9 consecutive league games after the watford game .

    The writing was on also on the wall for Ozil after being substituted first v palace and then v wolves 2018…

  91. HillWood

    Why would Bayern consider hiring the manager of a club they regularly beat(on occasion smashed)
    Why would that manager even think he had a chance

  92. Ishola70

    Pierre

    Do you think it’s just coincidental that players such as Ramsey who have left Arsenal in the past, players that are seen as noteworthy always seem to make a move that is seen as progression to their next club.

    Ramsey did what was best for Ramsey.

  93. TitsMcGee

    Don’t thin we are at the stage where we can nitpick anyone. Arsenal have been a shiite show for almost ta decade and a half.

  94. Pierre

    Benny
    “The Ramsey and Ozil situations were a management decision, not Emery. ”

    Are you seriously saying that it wasn’t Emery who made the decision to bench Ramsey for 9 consecutive league games and it wasnt Emery who made the decision to marginalise Ozil rom the team last season.

    If you are right , then someone else should be held accountable for such crass decision making..

    Who do you think is responsible ….as ultimately it has cost Emery his job as I believe those decisions put a massive distrust in Emery from the players…

    It’s my belief that the players cannot wait to see the end of him.

  95. Graham62

    RVP left because he was pissed off.
    Nasri left because he was pissed off.
    Fabregas left because he was pissed off.
    Henry left because he was pissed off.
    PV4 left because he was pissed off.
    Sagan left because he was pissed off.
    The Ox left because he was pissed off……..etc

    Common factor in all of this, they were all pissed off and maybe, just maybe, they could get more money elsewhere.

    Ramsey left because of the Ozil debacle. Why shouldn’t he.

  96. Ishola70

    Pierre
    ”So it was Ramsey’s decision to sit on the bench was it .”

    It’s all irrelevance Pierre if he had one foot out of the Arsenal door anyway.

    Poor Aaron eh. Ostracised from Arsenal yet finds himself now at a bigger club and a handsome wage. Let’s cry for him.

    Aaron is a lucky boy isn’t he.

  97. Pierre

    I note that Benny, Ishola and Graham are doing their best to not comment on my original point , which was , and I quote.

    “Marginalising Ramsey, Ozil and to a lesser extent Lacazette was a crass decision and has come back to haunt him.
    Many fans were suckered in by what they regarded as a show of strength by the manager , personally I always believed it was a show of ignorance and stupidity.
    It was all down to Ramsy ,Ozil and Lacazette showing very slight disapproval at being substituted and Emery took exception to it, and the decisions that Emery took around that time were the start of his demise.”

    Instead they prefer to change the subject to players leaving the club.

    My point stands and is correct ….Emery deciding to flex his muscles with 95% of the fan base behind him was the start of his demise.

  98. Ishola70

    Pierre

    To suggest that Ramsey run down his contract to join Juventus is not changing the subject.

    It’s crux to the subject.

    But you keep painting a picture of Arsenal and Emery doing wrong by Ramsey if that makes you feel better.

  99. Pierre

    Ishola
    “To suggest that Ramsey run down his contract to join Juventus is not changing the subject.It’s crux to the subject.”

    Either you sre stupid or you are being deliberately stupid…I’m not sure which.

    In what part of my comment is crux to the subject. , and I quote

    ““Marginalising Ramsey, Ozil and to a lesser extent Lacazette was a crass decision and has come back to haunt him.
    Many fans were suckered in by what they regarded as a show of strength by the manager , personally I always believed it was a show of ignorance and stupidity.
    It was all down to Ramsy ,Ozil and Lacazette showing very slight disapproval at being substituted and Emery took exception to it, and the decisions that Emery took around that time were the start of his demise.”

    Obviously you haven’t a coherent reply to this comment so you persevere with waffling on about Ramsey leaving…

  100. Nelson

    I know that Lac is a better footballer than Martinelli. For me, Emery’s downfall started when he tried to play both Auba and Lac in the lineup. The team became unbalance. Lac is a good striker. He is strong when he is playing inside the box. But for the build up of the attack, he is shit. During the game against Wolves, he has screwed up a lot of our attack plays. No wonder Emery subbed him out at the 60 mins.

  101. Pierre

    Nelson
    I’m prepared to give all players a pass at the moment due to the incompetence of the manager.

    It is very difficult for any player to play in a dysfunctional system.

    The other night in Portugal , there were numerous occasions when our midfield or offensive players were isolated when they were on the ball and hence were caught in possession of the ball .

    This can only be down to formation and tactics …you will never see man city players with no options when they are on the ball , they normally have at least 2/3 options …that isnt happening with Arsenal.

    Players are isolated all over the pitch.

  102. Ishola70

    Pierre

    It’s already been said to you that this “marginalising” of Ramsey is irrelevant if he had already decided to leave Arsenal on a free to Juventus.

    The horse has already bolted Pierre.

    It will not be the first time or last time that a player is underused if that player is known to be leaving the club to join another by the season’s end.

  103. Brooklyn

    Torreira doesn’t have lungs for it, but lot’s of team utilise better passer as deepest player in build up with destroyer further up to break up play and get in box…

    Kante has never played deepest midfielder except for France at least not when his team has ball possession, Drink water at Liecester, Fabregas during first year and Jorginho last 2-3 season play deeper during buildup.

    Khedira always played box to box defensive midfield role alongside Schweinstier first and Kroos later for Germany. Alonso first and Kroos during his Real Madrid instint were deepest player, now it’s Pajnic, Bentacur for Juventus. Same for Vidal alongside Pirlo first and then Thiago at Bavaria now with Busquets or De Jong.

    Even Casmiero pushes up leaving buildup to Kroos but it is more of a 50-50 for them as deepest player during buildup.

    When these destroyer’s team hold possession for sustained period it is always the likes of Vidal, Khedira, Kante since Sarri getting inside opponents box creating overload….

    This strategy isn’t any new for managers trying to buildup play from back but still retain defensively strong player in their midfield….Torreira is doing decent job but doesn’t have legs like any of these player to be both terrier without ball and attacking box when team has possession.

  104. Pierre

    Ishola

    Sorry , but the only conclusion I can come to is that you are stupid…

    If you read back through the earlier comments, you will see why .

    As you were.

  105. Bojangles

    Here’s an I retesting stat. Emery has employed the 4-2-3-1 formation 8 times this season in which we have won 7. He has employed 6 other formations 8 times which have produced no wins and 7 draws. Maybe he should keep to 4-2-3-1 and quit analysing the opposition.

  106. Pierre

    Bojangles
    Exactly.

    As I said previously, this system gives you a bit of everything

    A back 4

    Protection for the defence from the 2 holding midfielders.

    Width

    Protection for the full backs from the wide players.

    A CAM

    And it suits the players that Emery has at his disposal.

  107. Brooklyn

    Like Charlie mentioned we need some one like Arteta with legs for deepest role…

    What we need is a box to box player player who can win ball higher up the pitch and also have legs and defensive acumen to fall back should opponents break our press. For deepest role we already have Guendouzi, Torreira, both can be improved upon but are adequate to challenge for top-4 for next 2-3 season…

    Docouyre and Kessie are example for this role but are technically limited….Thomas plays deepest for Atl Madrid but has legs and has developed passing ability to be potential success at this role.

    We could potentially look for young English talents in PL or lower division.

  108. Words on a Blog

    Bojangles

    At the moment 4-2-3-1 with Torreira and Guen as the midfield 2 is the last chance for Emery to survive.