1 week, 1 month, 1 season. No one can agree the timeline

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The media is alive like a pit of vipers, all looking for their hot take on a story they don’t yet have. A little like some of the nonsense that was fed into the airwaves when we were hiring for the Wenger replacement. It makes for interesting reading, dependent on how you want to spin it for yourself.

The through-thread I’m hearing is quite simple: We don’t have a plan.

If you take that as your north star, it makes it easier to work out what’s real and what’s fantasy.

I am more inclined to believe the stories that Arsenal are not going to budge on ousting Unai Emery, namely because there’s no suitable replacement candidate, and there’s been no detailed undertaking of what’s in the market at the moment.

It’s also important to remember that Unai Emery is Don Raul’s man. When Arteta lost out because Ivan G lost his nerve, it was our lead football exec who brought Emery in for the magical interview with the powerpoint dossier. He’s attached to Unai, there’s either going to be a level of faith in his hard skillz (lol), or there’s going to be a level of stubbornness in the decision.

You also have to remember that Arsenal are not fast movers. Mountains of evidence supported Wenger being a busted flush, but things didn’t move against him until the stadium emptied out and the finances started to weaken. It’s very rare that a manager has ever been as bad as Unai Emery and turned things around. It is in the Kroenke DNA to really, really, really make sure the manager they have in charge is completely useless before they pull the trigger.

I’d also be paying attention to the reality of our finances. We pulled money from next season into last summer to make the big fancy signings happen. That was the financial trick. There’s probably an element of worry with firing Emery: ‘Do we really want to spend upwards of £12m to fire the coach and the 6+ people he brought along for the ride?’

I was told at the start of the season the chances of Emery being let go early were very slim. In fairness, I’m not sure anyone thought things would be this bad, this soon. There are some stories saying that he’ll be out the door if he loses next weekend. I think that’s fanciful. The bigger concern is that a lot of papers are saying he’ll be given a month to turn things around.

I worry if we go a month, it’s going to be impossible for any caretaker to get things back on track. The best choice if we did that would be Freddie Ljungberg, but that’s hugely risky. Bringing in a young coach to take over in a crisis isn’t ideal.

I’ve done to death the Jose Mourinho counter-argument. There are fans saying that talk of ‘values’ is weak sauce and that we shouldn’t pay attention to things like that.

I really dislike this line of argument. ‘Values’ when used to deflect a lack of competitiveness is unacceptable. Arsenal tried to tie the two things as inextricably linked during the bad years because it made for easy reading to the soft fanbase who saw Wenger as their daddy.

‘Chelsea may have trophies, but where’s the class? Not for me’

When we’re talking about values and Jose Mourinho, the commentary has more grounding in reality. You really are attacking who you are as a club when you make that appointment.

But honestly, fuck the talk of values. That is the last thing on my list of why nots when it comes to hiring in Jose.

The man is finished as an elite level coach. Just look at his idea of modern football. Look at the footballing output at United having spent £300m+.

‘But did he have a say on the players?’

Can you IMAGINE Jose Mourinho at United’s Pleasure Island for Faded Managers NOT having a say on players? He’s literally one of the most powerful coaches on the planet. He would have had total control over decisions. He is a King. He lives off his once elite reputation as the Special One. He had control, and while Manchester City were out there creating the next generation of cognitive football, he’s making excuses about the lack of investment and defending his painfully dated footballing philosophy.

Don’t worry about values people, with Jose Mourinho, it’s lose/lose. You’re bringing in the most toxic man in world football, and by the way, he’s going to crash your club within 2 seasons, likely with little to show for it.

Arsenal are in this situation because they hired a coach based on an objective.

‘Get Champions League’

We didn’t hire a coach thinking of the 3-5 year plan of where we planned to take the club. We weren’t thinking about how to be competitive. We just hired in someone based on his glamourous previous job.

The fans will now demand our next hire is a ‘proven winner.’ But it’s the wrong way to look at it. Hiring a winner took United to LVG after David Moyes. It then took them to Jose Mourinho. Now they’re in all sorts of trouble because the correct decision was a young innovative coach, but when they finally made that decision they did it based on emotion, not smarts.

We built a global brand playing stunning football. We are not currently capable of behaving like a superclub. Arsenal has a golden generation of kids coming through. We have a squad built for attacking football.

Our next hire needs to be mapped to our reality.

There is no point in hiring the archetypal ‘winner’ because that sort of reputation is ALWAYS tied to a chequebook manager. We can only afford to work with one of those types on the way out of the top tier (Jose). We need to make our gains by hiring in someone that can outperform our resources. That has to be a coach with ideas, someone that’s happy to work with what is on offer at Arsenal, someone that wants to grow into a king.

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments.

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  1. Redtruth

    Raskolnikov
    “Problem is, I don’t know who they bring in. Allegri? LOL yeah I don’t think a man used to top class players like Zlatan, Gattuso and Bonucci is going to enjoy working with weak as piss shits like Xhaka and Ozil. Freddie? Could be another ridiculous Solskjaer scenario. He has no experience. Maybe you listen to those fools over at Le Grove and get their beloved ARTETA in, and watch another joker with zero managerial experience flounder, spectacularly (then Le Grove can write a blog claiming they never, ever asked for Arteta to be appointed).”

    “The whole scenario at Arsenal FC is a joke. But it has been since 2005.”

  2. Ishola70

    TR7
    “Sanllehi, along with Vinai Venkatesham and Josh Kroenke are reluctant to make a change and internally there is a determination not to go through a flurry of managers like United have done since Sir Alex Ferguson retired [@JamesOlley]”

    “Bye bye to CL, Laca and Auba then.”

    The key word in that tweet is reluctant.

    Doesn’t mean out of the question.

    If Emery tanks against either Southampton, Brighton or Norwich in the next upcoming games after Leicester then they can be forced into action by overwhelming fan backlash.

    Will he tank against these teams? Possibly Norwich away.

    But the team are still capable to flat track bully teams like Southampton and Brighton. Not convincing bullying but wins. Maybe not so much if it was an end of season match and these sort of teams were fighting for their lives against relegation but we are not at this stage of the season.

    Teams like Southampton and Brighton are not as combative as a Wolves overall or Crystal Palace playing an away EPL match.

    So both Emery and the powers that be will be looking for max nine EPL points after the break to ease the pressure.

  3. Redtruth

    Raskolnikov
    “Problem is, I don’t know who they bring in. Allegri? LOL yeah I don’t think a man used to top class players like Zlatan, Gattuso and Bonucci is going to enjoy working with weak as piss shits like Xhaka and Ozil. Freddie? Could be another ridiculous Solskjaer scenario. He has no experience. Maybe you listen to those fools over at Le Grove and get their beloved ARTETA in, and watch another joker with zero managerial experience flounder, spectacularly (then Le Grove can write a blog claiming they never, ever asked for Arteta to be appointed).”

    “The whole scenario at Arsenal FC is a joke. But it has been since 2005..”

  4. DigitalBob

    Peckobill – You bring in your own guys as a manager but its by no means a deal breaker for me if its only couple of assistants and that’s it.

    I took it as Raul, Edu etc preferred the idea of having Emery and his entire PSG team come in and sort us out than Arteta and a few no name guys.

  5. Redtruth

    Raskolnikov
    “I like Emery and I am not one of these moron Arsenal fans who has a pop at him just because he isn’t their beloved Arsene Wenker, but the club cannot afford to miss out on CL again. Seriously. Spuds are in crisis mode. ManYo are so shit I couldn’t even describe it as crisis, just a circus. A total circus. So no Spurs, no ManYoo. Top 2 places are a lock, so who is it Arsenal should be worrying about competing with? Leicester?? AGAIN?! I know Leicester have better players than Arsenal but that is more an indictment on the years of shockingly rubbish team-building by Wenger, who stuck overpaid shite like Ozil, Chambers, Mustafi, Bellerin et al in the team.”

  6. Ishola70

    Allegri is not a particularly good idea.

    I know people see him as being the kind of coach that will help the team defensively but I would question his overall hunger in comimg to Arsenal. He could well turn out one of those coaches that just come over for the pay packet.

    He has been winning league titles with the biggest club in Italy for years and competing to win CL titles. Whether we like it or not Arsenal will be a downgrade for him and that aspect is a worrying aspect in appointing him.

    Personally I don’t think Allegri to Arsenal will ever occur anyway.

  7. Guns of Hackney

    I’d have Niko Kovac. A good manager with a really aged team. Germany has a conveyor belt of manager talent.

    We have to do something fresh. Arsenal are like that puddle you have had in the garage for 20 years. No matter how hot the weather is, it’s always still there…dank.

  8. Samesong

    Ishola

    You do know Brighton whooped Spurs 3-0. The way we are playing I wouldn’t put it past them to beat us also.

  9. HighburyLegend

    Good news for all those who say NO to Maureen : he apparently takes very serious lessons to speak… German.

  10. Ishola70

    Samesong
    “You do know Brighton whooped Spurs 3-0. The way we are playing I wouldn’t put it past them to beat us also.”

    It’s a home match though Samesong. Not playing them on their own turf.

    Don’t get me wrong I can’t see this team having an easy ride against any EPL team atm but failing to beat the likes of Brighton and Southampton at home is plummeting to even lower depths in comparison to failing at home to a team like Wolves.

  11. Samesong

    Ishola I hear you.
    Maybe if there too over confident we can whoop their arses. But hats off to their manager is it Potts?

    Do you think the guys are confident about beating at the moment? I cannot see our next win at the moment because we concede too easy.

  12. Valentin

    I would a slight preference for Freddie for two reasons.
    First, Freddie has experienced being in charge of a team. It was only the U23 team, but being the guy in charge has more pressure than being No2. Being able to make the right call at the right time is a lot more difficult than being able to give the right advice knowing that either way your head is not on the block. Pressure can get to you and make you act in way you did not expect. That why you see so many great No2 just fell flat when promoted to No1.

    The second point is that Freddie is already in the place and know all the squad. He will not need to have a period to evaluate players.

    Either way, until Arsenal or another club take a punt on them, we will not know whether either of them have the talent and competence to be a good manager.

  13. Valentin

    Samesong,

    Last year Arsenal did not beat a Brighton that played conservative football under Chris Houghton.
    Under Potter they are more likely to fancy their chance against us. That could play in our hand because that would open the game. But that could also play against us by exposing our poor defensive organisation.

    If a counter-attacking Wolves can get 21 shots against us, I can see a charged up Brighton having an even higher number. Any team facing that number of shots is bound to concede at least one goal. I suspect that we may even concede two. And when you look at xG, we don’t look like we can score two goals from open play.

  14. Ishola70

    Samesong

    “Do you think the guys are confident about beating at the moment? I cannot see our next win at the moment because we concede too easy.”

    Southampton at home.

    But even then as said we could well still concede in that match but win with both teams getting on the scoresheet.

    If he fails against Southampton at home and failing means not winning then the shit will really hit the fan.

    Leicester away? Most of the footballing world have Leicester down to win that match and they are favourites so if Arsenal go down there the powers that be will just give the line that Leicester are a good team that are playing very well atm.

  15. Guns of Hackney

    PB

    The same DNA. Hire the guy before the guy. Hopefully our next manager will be our ‘Arsene’ after Houston and Graham.

    Emery is the stepping stone. Hopefully.

  16. Ishola70

    Valentin
    “Last year Arsenal did not beat a Brighton that played conservative football under Chris Houghton”

    We all know that Arsenal can go down to any EPL side away from home. Anybody.

    And as said before playing these teams nearer the end of the season when they are many times fighting for their lives against relegation can be trickier than playing them mid – season or before. Arsenal failed to beat Brighton at home last season near to the end of the season with Brighton fighting for their EPL lives.

    Fail to beat Brighton at home in beginning of December and Emery plummets to even lower levels of failure.

  17. Gentlebris

    ‘Now they’re in all sorts of trouble because the correct decision was a young innovative coach, but when they finally made that decision they did it based on emotion, not smarts.’

    Bullshit.
    You can’t say what United needed was a young coach and then claim they hired one but they weren’t smart about it.

    If what they needed was a young coach with Manchester United DNA then they acted very smart, in fact OGS is far more appropriate for United than your proposed Arteta is to Arsenal.

    The reality is that a young coach who wants to build a major career don’t jump into the middle of a major crisis, it would destroy him. How do you expect a young inexperienced coach to handle big egos in the middle of crisis? OGS couldn’t, so he decided to make them go away. United needed Lukaku like a fish needs water, but he started rumbling about OGS and they had to let him go to give OGS a chance to survive. Same with Sanchez. And I should think Pogba is next.

    Arsenal had the chance to bring a young coach immediately Wenger left, they didn’t and that is no route now. You of all people should know that if we sack Emery and hire a young horse who falls down in the race, Arsenal would take a hit so bad it would take years to recover.

    You don’t send out a rookie soldier to lead a crises ridden war, you send a general.
    Say what you will about Jose Mourinho but the man has the experience, the charisma, the toughness, the cleverness and the winning mentality to stabilize us. Give him two years to do his job, then we can talk about your rookie with a high ceiling.

  18. Valentin

    Ishola70,

    I think that this is a better Brighton than last season. Right now every teams in the EPL think that they have a shot at beating us even at home.
    Both Palace and Wolves were disappointed of not beating us. In the end we were hanging to salvage a draw.

  19. Ishola70

    Gentlebris

    “Bullshit.
    You can’t say what United needed was a young coach and then claim they hired one but they weren’t smart about it.”

    Of course you can.

    You don’t just hire a coach because he is young.

    Solksjaer was on a very much downward trend managing in Norway after not shining in England previously.

  20. CG

    G Bris

    “”””Say what you will about Jose Mourinho but the man has the experience, the charisma, the toughness, the cleverness and the winning mentality to stabilize us.””””

    My- you have come on Leaps and Bounds!

    Splendid, splendid, splendid!

  21. Ishola70

    Valentin
    “I think that this is a better Brighton than last season. Right now every teams in the EPL think that they have a shot at beating us even at home.
    Both Palace and Wolves were disappointed of not beating us. In the end we were hanging to salvage a draw.”

    Possibly they may be better Brighton this season but as said before a Wolves and a Crystal Palace playing away from home would be seen as more trickier matches than Brighton at home mid-season.

    Failing to beat Brighton at home mid-season is lower levels of failure.

  22. Champagne charlie

    “Allegri is not a particularly good idea. I know people see him as being the kind of coach that will help the team defensively but I would question his overall hunger in comimg to Arsenal”

    Haha Le grove is quality.

  23. Ishola70

    Charlie waves the poms poms unsurprisingly.

    He will now tell us why Arsenal are a bigger club than Juventus and this will see Allegri being ravenous for success at Arsenal.

    Going from CL to Europa League.

    Going from Serie A winners to only top four contention.

  24. Gentlebris

    ‘Leicester away? Most of the footballing world have Leicester down to win that match and they are favourites so if Arsenal go down there the powers that be will just give the line that Leicester are a good team that are playing very well atm.’

    If the guys running this club are thinking like that then Arsenal is dead and buried as a top football club.

    But I don’t think Josh has such a loser’s mentality. An heir to a big business empire will never think like that.

  25. Peckobill

    Guns
    I hope so it’s getting bad for me , in the second half of wengers tenure I got angry with the old git but with emery I’m starting to get bored .
    Bored is the worst place one can get in regards to it’s an entertainment business and Emery sucks the life out of the match day experience .
    Even before the game starts it’s a groan when you see the starting line up and the cup games have held the only bit of excitement for me this season .
    While I’m on that note what’s with the rediculous time the game starts on Wednesday about ? I’ll only catch from 10 minutes into the second half with work and all

  26. Ishola70

    Gentlebris
    ‘’If the guys running this club are thinking like that then Arsenal is dead and buried as a top football club.”

    You always seem to not want to face up to reality and look to be living in a well past Wenger wonderland when the team were top end.

    Leicester are favourites with the bookies to beat Arsenal for a reason Gentlebris. They are on better form and looking at the two teams Arsenal don’t scream out better overall side.

    That’s not to say Emery can’t surprise us all and get a result there but it doesn’t look great does it.

  27. Samesong

    Ishola

    Can very well see Emery going with the trusted two of Luiz and Sokratis 😆

    Might be A Jamie Vardy party. He always scores against us.

  28. Graham62

    It doesn’t matter who Arsenal play at the moment, the players are not playing for Emery because he is totally clueless.

    Leicester, Brighton, Sheffield United, CPalace, Wolves.

    It makes no difference.

    Every game is a struggle.

  29. Ishola70

    You can still struggle and not impress overall but still notch up victories.

    We have seen plenty of those type of matches from Emery at Arsenal as well as the failures in not winning matches.

    Even if Arsenal do get nine points from the matches against Southampton, Norwich and Brighton no-one is going to be really convinced that a corner has been turned. There will be those that will want to portray it as such but more will want to see more proof of a turn around than that.

  30. Ishola70

    How impressed have you been with David Luiz Samesong since he has joined Arsenal?

    Have you been impressed with his leadership, experience and defensive qualities?

  31. Graham62

    David Luiz looks disinterested and is playing in cruise control.

    Imo, he’s already made his mind up regards Emery.

  32. Champagne charlie

    “Charlie waves the poms poms unsurprisingly.He will now tell us why Arsenal are a bigger club than Juventus and this will see Allegri being ravenous for success at Arsenal.“

    I’m telling folk nothing about Allegri, ill leave you to be the hot link to his psyche on here. Appears you’re quire familiar with his entire thought process and motivations.

    Here I am humble and stupid to think elite managers engage with projects and aren’t solely about trophies. But alas, you’re absolute in stating Allegri will only go to a bigger club than Juve, so short list he’s got to choose from.

  33. Words on a Blog

    Cc,

    ah, didn’t know that the Chinese season was about to end.

    So if we’re playing it safe and going for experience, then it’s got to be Rafa.

    Otherwise if we’re going for a “project” I’m indifferent as to whether it’s Arteta or Freddie.

  34. Ishola70

    Graham62
    “David Luiz looks disinterested and is playing in cruise control.Imo, he’s already made his mind up regards Emery.”

    Well he made his mind up pretty quickly didn’t he because he has been shit defensively for the most part basically from the off.

  35. Words on a Blog

    At this stage I would take:

    Benitez
    Allegri
    Nunon Espirito Santos
    Graham Potter
    ChrismWilder
    Ahead of Emery

  36. Ishola70

    lol David Luiz is a subject that many don’t like to dwell on or take on board.

    tbf there are posters on here who see him for what he is but we get just as many posters like Graham on here making excuses for him.

    The number of times David Luiz has been beaten like a toddler when players run at him since he has joined Arsenal is frankly embarrassing.

    Frankly Mr Shankly.

  37. bennydevito

    Un na naaiNovember 4, 2019    18:00:00

    Sf

    For me it
    1) he’s la Masia born and bred. It’s in his dna to play the way we want
    2) he’s captained Everton and arsenal. He’s a leader
    3)He’s played in rough shit leagues and at the top in the CL.
    4) he’s highly regarded at city as a coach. By pep, the players and the suits.
    City are the benchmark. If they want him then he’s good enough for us
    5) he was the best candidate we had in the summer. Emery got in through the back door through the Spanish boys club

    >>>>>

    Un,

    Sorry but point 5 is wrong.

    The process to replace Wenger was with Gazidis, Raul & Sven. 1 Spanish person. This Spanish old boys club bollocks is exactly that; bollocks

    There were 8 candidates including Arteta and Emery and all 8 were interviewed. It then got whittled down to 3.

    Gazidas, Raul and Sven then spent time apart so as to make sure they didn’t influence each other’s decision, then reconvened and all put the 3 candidates names on a piece of paper from 1 to 3.

    Emery was 1 on Gazidis, Raul’s and Sven’s list.

    This was reported on the Arsenal dot com as well as interviews by Gazidis.

  38. Guns of SF

    Folks, our midfield is a big question for me.
    Not only do we have the Xhaka drama,
    The mids are completely non effective it seems now.
    We defend in numbers and in attack, we are slow and pondering. Most of the time its pass to the open man, and dribble around the box incessantly. Its Wengerish all over again.

    That is why we need to start players like Saka Martinelli and even Nelson, – at least they can beat their man, and shift the ball in more technical way to throw the defenders off.

    Guen dani and Xhaka and LT do not have this ability.
    Watching Guen power into the box late in games to draw a foul is desperation times… i cant stand it. Has it now come to winning penalties as a way to score in games??? like for real?

    I dont know but I would take a look at some prem players for Jan or summer. We need more movement and better link play.. its maddening that this is not improving.

    What the hell do we need now? SMH

  39. Major_Jeneral

    Gentlebris
    Good point made for the argument that Mourinho is a good option.
    Arteta must prove himself elsewhere before I can actually rate him.

    Do anyone fancy Ralph hassentaul of Southampton (not sure if I got the name correctly)

    The way I see it Arsenal will make one more wrong Manager signing before we get it right.

  40. Guns of SF

    Leicester number 10 is what we need. Power pace, and fearlessness. How many times did Maddison get fouled with his movement? He also dished out plenty as well as timely slide tackles. This coming from their number 10.

    We need a player like this… The way Leicester carved up Palace was awesome… and this aint no fluke.

  41. Redtruth

    Victorious
    “Club fast turning into a joke and obviously not acting like a football club”

    The clubs been a joke for more than a decade….you AKB’s twat

  42. Guns of SF

    Fucking OFF THE BALL Movement –
    A coach who can get this right… we need that person.
    Predictable and slow on offense. Defend in numbers and leaving gaps.

    The best teams are the ones with players who instinctively do this- the old Manure, and Pool<, City, Leicester now… even spurs have a more cohesive offense.

  43. Danish Gooner

    You need a massive character to manage this rabble.I said before and i say it again some of these players are useless and close to unmanageble they commit the same deadly sins game after game,switching off to often when they shouldnt completely incapable of learning from their mistakes ,tactically unable to solve simple problems on the field.When Arsenal play it is riddled with simple mistakes like missing your man from 5 yards,sometimes oceans of space between the lines,sloppy defending,sloppy play from the defense,hopeless passing trough midfield.Whoever we hire he has got one hell of a job to do to get homogenic and discipline in to this team,the best teams can play without being sloppy and undsciplined in general play and just dont switch off but with Pepe,Pea and Laca we should be a team feared all around but we are not because they all know we are a soft touch.

  44. Words on a Blog

    Emery is Basque-Spanish
    So is Arteta.

    Sanllehi is Catalan-Spanish.

    How exactly dis the “Spanish old boys club” favour Emery over Arteta?

  45. Victorious

    We would appoint a pinnochio to coach this team and we’d instantly improve

    Emery is useless and don’t deserve nor has the required ability at whatever capacity to be the coach of this club,lucky fraud who is thieving from the club to utter bad English to us every week

    You know you’re dogshite when a far more shitty united side is taking the piss and feeling pity for you

    We wouldn’t sink lower anymore no matter how hard we try..really sad times for the club

  46. Ishola70

    Major_Jeneral
    “Is the midfield so bad that we cannot get an internal solution and then have to wait till January?”

    Torreira not being used higher up can help.

    But not as a solitary DM. He needs another alongside him deeper.

    Really the club need to buy a DM that can look after himself and the defence on his own like Ndidi does at Leicester.

    Torreira is not that player. He is a pack player not a solitary player. He needs at least one other player alongside him.

  47. Samesong

    How impressed have you been with David Luiz Samesong since he has joined Arsenal?

    David Luiz has looked undisciplined cost us probably 6 points this season with his rash stupidity. I’ll leave rash for mustafi.

    David Luiz only looks good next to a worldwide that tells him what do to. Yeah he can pass out from the back and spray a long ball to no one but why the hell do we do it to ourselves.

    Would Smalling have been a better bet? but hes just as error prone too.

    We shod stay well away from these rejects from now on.

  48. Ishola70

    Good points Danish.

    The team are very slack in the basics and the most damaging is being slack in off the ball basics.

  49. Redtruth

    Victorious November 29, 2018 17:28:17
    “Hello Akilan, been ages! Absolutely with you on AMN Really refreshing to see how far he’s come under Emery and if he grabs his chance with an absolutely domineering display in midfield”

  50. Victorious

    Redtroll

    Hold on tiger…not like we thought literally no coach out there could possibly out perform Wenger at his very worse until your hero took the reigns
    I mean it’s unbelievable how your idol can make it possible that Wenger’s worse years shit on his best and whatever it is he can offer us

    Never thought it possible literally no coach could improve on Wenger banter years. Really mind-boggling how clueless the guy is..

  51. bennydevito

    CGNovember 4, 2019    17:31:29

    “You need a Proven Big Hitter .
    (history tells that time and time again.)

    think Graham/Wenger.
    now think Mourinho.”

    >>>>>>>>

    CG,

    We’ve been over this many, many times before.

    Wenger was not a proven big hitter.

    At the time the press were saying Arsene who?

    When Wenger took over Arsenal he had won significantly LESS trophies than Emery had won when he took over.

    Emery had just won the French treble and the French cup double the league before.

    3 European trophies in Spain, more than Wenger and Arsenal had won in their ENTIRE history put together.

    In terms of hiring “a big hitter”, at the time of hiring, Emery was a much bigger hitter than Wenger.

    This is a fact.

    Doesn’t change the fact that Wenger went on to become a much bigger hitter, or that Emery has proven to be a failure for us.

    My point is; why do we need to hire a “big hitter”?

    Why can’t we take a chance on an unknown entity like Wenger was?

    Why not take a chance on Freddie but one on Arteta? What makes Arteta any better? He was am awful uninspiring captain who personified our banter era, sideways passing, slow drab crab football.

    No thank you.

    No thank you to Bungle Benitez either.

    Or Toxic Maureen.

    If we’re going proven then surely Allegri is the man?

    If not, why not let Freddie take the job as stand in with Keown as defensive coach like I’ve said before?

    It’s rather amusing that the AKBs are back out in force trying to use Emery’s failure to erase 10 years of Wenger’s utter shitness.

  52. Graham62

    Ishola70

    Who’s making an excuse for him.

    David Luiz spends most of his life in “cruise control”.

    Why do you think FL ditched him?

    We all knew what we were going to get when we signed him.

    Hopefully our new coach can give him a kick up the backside, otherwise he will remain a white elephant.

  53. Redtruth

    Victorious January 22, 2018 18:50:50
    “At last this saga is over,$anchez has gone,that should lift the team moraleMikki, this is your time to prove boringnho wrong,I hope you tear it for us”

  54. Graham62

    I see nothing in Arteta that justifies all this hype.

    What has he done that makes him so special?

    Answers on a postcard please.

  55. Guns of SF

    And what does happen with Freddie L if another coach comes in? Freddie gets demoted or the boot… Im sure the new guy will bring in his “team”

    Would suck…it however would make sense to keep FL in the first team in some capacity

  56. Victorious

    Lol Redtroll getting desperate now digging the archives and clutching at straws..hilarious basically a strawman

    Cant be bothered like you mate buh I’m pretty sure every comment you make on here stands as a good advert for Legrove’s hall of shame records.. Some of the doofus you come out with man.. Like WTF.. Hahah

    I mean same fella who literally sucks off the awful Ospina on here every-day and proclaimed he is the greatest goal keeper in the world..hahah

    Same Muppet who claims Messi is a fraud

    Same idiot who rates a whopper like Emery as a better coach than Wenger

    Lol could go on and on Red.. Your track record on football is awful and u shouldn’t really dig out anything said previously from any poster on here

    You’re just as bland as your idol and a boring troll to boot.lol

  57. Danish Gooner

    It was a massive mistake that we didnt hire Pep or Klopp we had the chance but blew it big time,sometimes being clever can actually hurt you instead of just going for the obvious neither pep or Klopp would have tolerated some of the slack and indisciplined football we dish out every saturday.

  58. Victorious

    You know it’s a red flag for the coach when rival fans are hoping we let him survive till May

    My united and chavs mate are laughing off their nutsacks and hoping we don’t sack Emery, it’s sad

    That should be enough to tell the guy to fvck off but alas….

  59. Spanishdave

    If we are he’ll bent on getting EC qualification then we have to act fast.
    The players will not be focused knowing that Emery has one foot out of the door. We will continue to loose our away games as Emery is a specialist at this, so we cannot expect some sort of miracle.
    Even if Freddie gets a caretaker role it would be a step forward.

  60. Redtruth

    .
    Victorious January 31, 2018 12:35:19
    “You just know Ozil was waiting for Auba before he pens in,pity $anchez couldn’t hold on a bit longer, Ozil,Mikki,Auba,Wilshere combining, that’s orgasmic football right there”

    We finished 6th…pillock lol

  61. Ishola70

    Graham

    You are underplaying the poor defensive side we have seen from Luiz since he has joined.

    There has been no “control” from him when players run at him one on one. There has been no “cruise” from him when players run at him one on one. Just poor toddler defending.

    So much for “cruise control”.

  62. Pierre

    Before giving up on the players I think it would be a good idea to see how we perform under a different manager.

    Our last 8 home games before Emery arrived.

    3-0……Watford
    3-1……Milan
    3-0…..Stoke
    4-1……CSKA
    3-2…..Southampton
    4-1…West ham
    1-1…. at.Madrid
    5-0…..Burnley

    26 goals for ( average more than 3 goals a game)
    6 against.

    We have basically the same offensive players now as then except Pepe for Mhkitaryan ( who most on Le Grove didn’t rate anyway).

    So let’s wait and see as these players are obviously capable of destroying teams with fluent ,open , attractive football .

    It’s very difficult to replicate that football with a manager who is convinced that a CAM should be used primarily for closing down the opposition.

  63. Redtruth

    Victorious February 11, 2018 18:25:41
    “Also more puzzling are those who are bigging up Rafa for the Arsenal job,WTF
    I’m afraid the hatred of Wenger is clouding so many poster’s judgment on hereGood to see Boringnho loss again,Utterly disgusting manager”

  64. Victorious

    Redtroll

    I’d give it a rest,I know you have no shame buh you’re scrapping the barrel now and it’s embarassing even for you

    So are telling us you rate Benitez more than your god?

    Don’t like Rafa
    Dont like Boringho
    Emery is worse than the 2 of them and that’s saying something

    What’s so difficult to process there you pea brain crayon muncher

    Emery couldn’t evenbetter Wenger’s worse years you idiot

  65. Victorious

    3-0……Watford
    3-1……Milan
    3-0…..Stoke
    4-1……CSKA
    3-2…..Southampton
    4-1…West ham
    1-1…. at.Madrid
    5-0…..Burnley

    Basically this, now it’s a painful struggle even at home regardless of whoever we’re playing these days

    We haven’t even dominated any game played so far this season and Redroll would rather remain stucked munching aways at Emery’s balls.. Lol

  66. Peckobill

    Victorious ,
    I’m with you on emery but I really don’t know what your united mates are fucking laughing about . OGS is even worse than emery which takes some sort of skill .
    Have you actually reminded him of this ?

  67. RodneyKing

    Un na naai
    November 4, 2019 16:53:34

    “I’m warming to the idea of Arteta by the way, I initially thought it was Pep bigging up his number two but it seems alot of the City players credit him with improvements to their game.”

    In much the same way our young players are bigging up Freddie.

    If Arteta was so hot and saucy, why would City let him go to a rival? Wouldn’t they want him to take over from Pep when he eventually leaves? Unless, of course, they know he’s not all that.

    Why aren’t Everton all over him especially now that Silva’s future is hanging on a thread?

  68. Un na naai

    Gazidas, Raul and Sven then spent time apart so as to make sure they didn’t influence each other’s decision, then reconvened and all put the 3 candidates names on a piece of paper from 1 to 3.Emery was 1 on Gazidis, Raul’s and Sven’s list.This was reported on the Arsenal dot com as well as interviews by Gazidis.

    Benny
    Hahaha. Ok then. It was on arsenal.com. Conversation over. Did they not run a story on arsenal.com about emery having a 12 inch thick dossier on the team though Benny? That he knew each player inside out
    Did arsenal.com also report that emery was going to build his team around ozil and Ramsey?

    You think the arsenal suits are going to hire someone and publicly state on the club website that he was third best but we couldn’t afford one and we’re too pussy to try the other?

    Wake up. Must be all them Syrian son stories has your brain believing whatever yarn you’re spun.

  69. Redtruth

    Victorious August 11, 2019 18:34:16
    “United are the major threat for top 4,they have a better defense nowBissaka and Maguire are huge upgrades for them Chavs will finish a distant 6th”

  70. Un na naai

    Words on a BlogNovember 4, 2019 21:12:37
    Emery is Basque-Spanish
    So is Arteta.Sanllehi is Catalan-Spanish.How exactly dis the “Spanish old boys club” favour Emery over Arteta?

    Words. You just answered your own question here lightning!!! Key word:Spanish. 😂 😂

  71. Peckobill

    Un
    What’s the gist of what the blokes on about ? I tried watching it but he was making my head spin with all his moving about

  72. Nelson

    For me, playing Guen and Ceballos as defensive cover is not going to work. My suggestion is Torr and Chambers as double pivot against Leicester City. Play Bellerin as right back. If he is not ready, play Mustafi as right back.

  73. bennydevito

    CC,

    I just think Benitez was a bit of a buffoon and got played easy at mind games, easily rattled. We all remember the “Fact” press conference. He could never get Liverpool to first place despite winning the CL and is yesterday’s manager.

    We need to be looking forward and hire someone with a 3 – 5 year vision like Pedro says, imo.

  74. RodneyKing

    Bennydevitto

    “ Why can’t we take a chance on an unknown entity like Wenger was?”

    Wenger wasn’t entirely an unknown entity. He had coached Monaco and had a growing reputation as an innovator on and off the pitch.

    Social media and YouTube didn’t exist at the time. Now you’re sure to stumble upon a random, heartwarming post about how a certain player’s career has been improved by one of the club’s stewards.

    The post goes viral and everyone wants the steward hired as manager.

  75. Un na naai

    Rt

    Well this yank blows you out of the water. He’s probably only watched football for 8 years but his ability to see what’s happening far outstrips yours.

  76. Un na naai

    Wenger wasn’t entirely an unknown entity. He had coached Monaco and had a growing reputation as an innovator on and off the pitch.

    Rodney

    Not strictly true. He was in Japan before he came to us. Hardly bugs clubs knocking down the door and on the day he signed the papers ran the immortal headline “Arsene who?” He was mocked and derided by other coaches and football writers (notably Jeff Powell and Sir Alex)

    Just goes to show what a little faith in the right man can achieve- coughs- arteta

  77. TheBayingMob

    I don’t remember this level of mourning in the press when Ramsey and previously Eduardo were left with their legs being held on by their fucking sock.

    I mean I feel for Gomes (in the same way I felt for Ramsey and Eduardo) but the level of grief stricken outpouring is a bit much

  78. Peckobill

    Baying mob
    The pathetic attitude of the English media is only the foreign players are dirty / divers / lazy .
    Foreign player dives the press and pundits go overboard in their criticism.
    English player dives and “ he was playing clever there “
    It makes you puke quite frankly

  79. Un na naai

    Peckobill

    You don’t know what you’re talking about. Every British player is built up then ruined by our media you fucking amoeba.

    They fawn over the foreigners here.

    And Baying Mob. They absolutely did make a fuss over both Eduardo and Ramsey when it happened.
    Particularly Ramsey.

  80. Peckobill

    If Ali or Kane had committed that foul they wouldn’t even of been booked and the filth biased English media/ pundits would’ve said it was the right decision

  81. CG

    I’ll add my two cents worth.

    Wenger before he arrived at Arsenal had won the league with Monaco and spurned Bayern Munich advances.

    It seems 35 years after Munich first came calling they could come knocking on his door again.

    That’s the thing about class.
    Class outfits like Bayern notice and appreciate it .

    Our Zombie Executives have given us Edu and Emery.

    Glorified Uber driver material.

    Dont trust them to get the next appointment right either

    They would even know the meaning of the word : headhunt

  82. Un na naai

    Rt

    Yeah
    Fat lot of good that’s done your greasy haired crush.
    What’s that red? I think I hear mummy calling you downstairs for some warm milk and a jam sandwich
    Run along

  83. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    He was rattled by Alex Ferguson, doesn’t make him a buffoon. To even compete with Fergie is testament to his managerial ability.

    This “yesterday’s manager” notion is bizarre to me, you’re either competent or not at the task at hand. Emery isn’t, I’d wager Benitez is as his record speaks for itself.

    I’m all for a visionary at Arsenal, and someone that can take us from C to A over a defined period of time, but it’s mid-season and choices are sparse – that’s the reality of the situation.

    Rafa is my preference because he gives us a level of competency, but also allows us time to process and get the next guy greased up for the summer. I’m not warm to Freddie taking charge, and neither am I particularly keen on being rash and going Emery 2.0

  84. RodneyKing

    @Un

    I’m sorry if I misquoted you earlier. But it appeared as though you said it originally because the statement wasn’t in quotes.

    Regarding Wenger. True, he was in Japan before he came to Arsenal. But at Monaco, he had his own ideas about how he wanted to play the game.

    That fact that most people in England hadn’t heard of him, didn’t mean he didn’t know what he wanted to do. Ferggie may have had the last laugh ultimately but Wenger caused him and United great discomfort in those early days.

    Everton can have Arteta.

  85. CG

    Cha Cha

    You know Bd is a good man and a sensitive soul but he knows nowt about soccer.!

    He supports Bristol City dont he?

  86. bennydevito

    Un,

    Arsenal aren’t going to lie are they? They never said he had a 12 inch thick dossier ether. He did try to build a team around Ramsey and Ozil but Ozil was throwing sickies and being lazy, and Ramsey got injured. Once Ramsey was fit again he played the rest of the season until he got injured. Again.

    Your irrelevant response about Syria and the fact you believe you’re own thick cunt bullshit is no surprise.

  87. bennydevito

    CG,

    I don’t support Bristol City. Played football with them from 14 – 16 but no supporter.

    Who knows anything about soccer? That’s an American sport.

    Football however, I know plenty.

  88. bennydevito

    I guess at this juncture maybe Arteta would be worth a punt, but would our players respect him like they do Freddie? I don’t think they would.

  89. bennydevito

    One thing that is painfully clear to me is that the LG comment section is going to be fucking hard work again for as long as Emery remains and the AKBs have gone full on Tardis with dementia going back in time and rewriting history and erasing/forgetting how bad things really were.

    I was Wenger out, yet the idea of Mourinho, King of the WOBs calling him the specialist in failure offending me more than the AKBs who have no problem with that and are now begging him to take over is a new low for the comments section.

    Keep the great posts coming Pedro, let’s hope Emery is gone sooner rather than later.

    Tick tock.

  90. Bojangles

    I think it’s fair to say that LG comprises the full spectrum of fans, from the everything negative to everything positive and all positions in between but the underlying factor is we are all Arsenal supporters.

    The diversity of opinions make for a lively blog and for me the only Arsenal blog worth commenting on. However the post hoc rationalisations and the personal attacks, which seem to go hand in hand with some posters do detract from the quality of discussions here. I hold my hand up to being guilty at times of the former and on one occasion the latter so I am not coming to this from a holier than thou perspective, it’s just an observation.

  91. Valentin

    Wenger was not an unknown entity.
    He won title and French domestic Cup with Monaco.
    Monaco reached the semi-final of the Champion’s League in 1994. In France he was quite successful but was thwarted by Marseille bribing layers and referees. They even got accused of attempting to poison the opposition after sleeping pill were found crushed in the player drink. Before people got outraged by the allegation, be aware that Marseille got convicted and stripped of one of their title for bribery.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_football_bribery_scandal

    Bayern came and at the time they didn’t come knocking if you had no pedigree. Monaco refused to let him go despite him being in his last year of contract. They sold most of the players and they had a bad start of the season. Monaco then sacked him.

    The fact that the British press did not know him “Wenger Who” says more about their lack of knowledge of foreign football than lack of Wenger credential.

  92. Bamford10

    We still haven’t heard from any Emery-outers re how they would set up against Leicester and why. Why are you afraid of this question, gents? It shouldn’t be that complicated.

  93. Bamford10

    Azed

    I agree that we could be a good counter-attacking team and that Emery has failed to see this. And I agree that his not seeing this is totally on him. He is a little tunnel-visioned in a way, he wants to play in the more trendy fashion, more in the manner that all of the big clubs are playing. This is on him.

    However, I don’t know that I agree that Lacazette is well-suited for a counter-attacking approach, and I don’t know that our midfield personnel are all that well-suited to a counter-attacking game. We are generally slow in midfield and lack the kind of midfielders who can get forward quickly and join in attack.

    I do agree, though, that Emery may need to go. I just don’t necessarily agree with all of the criticisms or claims made against him here, many of which are overblown, unfair, inaccurate or nonsense.

  94. Ishola70

    GK = Leno
    RB = Bellerin
    LB = Tierney
    2 CBS = Sokratis and Holding
    2 DMS Holding Mids = Torreira and Guendouzi
    AM = Ceballos
    3 Forwards = (left/central)Pepe, Lacazette (central) and Aubameyang (right/central)

    Bellerin Sokratis Holding Tierney

    Torreira Guendouzi

    Ceballos

    Pepe Lacazette Aubameyang

  95. China1

    I know his record is solid but I’ve never really been a fan of Benitez. If he came in and did a job I wouldn’t be complaining but he doesn’t jump out at me as a candidate

  96. Nelson

    My selection:

    Bellerin Sokratis Luiz Tierney

    Torreira Chambers

    Guendouzi

    Pepe Aubameyang Martinelli

    If we are chasing a team, replace Chambers by Lac at the 60 mins.

  97. peanuts&monkeys

    The larger worry than Emery’s tactics and decisions is how many first-teamers in the dressing room still want him to be around and not sacked immediately.

    If that number is less than 80%, he should be released.

    The fans and the pundits and even media are finding faults with everything Emery does nowadays- typical typecasting. If the dressing room if majorly different from this trend, it’s worth sticking with Emery for 4 more games. That is if there isn’t really a suitable alternative.

  98. China1

    Check this Saliba stat…

    ‘An incredible statistic has revealed that during this calendar year, Saint-Etienne have managed to win 11 games out of a possible 13 – conceding just 4 goals.

    Without the ace’s presence at the heart of defence, Saint-Etienne have a dismal record of 4 wins from 17 games. In these matches, the side also conceded 28 goals.’

  99. China1

    Well bojangles it’s only one number so who really knows but his manager described him as the best player in the team and that number sure is compelling

  100. Bamford10

    Churlish

    That article pretends to be a deep look at things, but it’s actually very superficial in many ways.

    Where to begin? Let’s start with the basic contention that we haven’t seen progress under Emery. This is bogus. We finished 7 points better and one place higher under Emery than in the year previous, and these are by far and away the most important “statistics” in football. Every other number is secondary to points and position in the table, and we undoubtedly improved on this front. So, no.

    Secondly, he points to the number of shots conceded against Wolves, which was definitely a poor showing. Except that as I’ve highlighted several times, this is is a category where we were clearly improving — and improving significantly — prior to Emery’s reverting to the 4-4-2. Again, where in the first five matches we conceded 19 shots per game on average, in the last five matches (prior to Saturday) we conceded only 11 shots per game on average. That’s improvement. If he returns to the 4-5-1, there is no reason not to expect further improvement, especially as we should be adding Bellerin, Tierney and Holding and ditching Xhaka.

    The rest of what he has to say is interesting but not all that important. Yes, Emery seems to alternate between different approaches, so neither our pressing stats nor our possession stats are all that great. What of it? The puzzle he is trying to solve is not a simple one, and he doesn’t really have the right players for any one approach.

    In the end, he may not be the man for the job and he has undoubtedly made mistakes, but you haven’t said a single word here that has shed even the slightest bit of light on any of what is going on.

    And your comments this morning about athleticism were fucking embarrassing.

    But tell us: how would you set up against Leicester and why?

  101. Tee

    I don’t think anyone is trying to re-write history here.

    It’s just most of you wobs get your knickers twisted whenever Wenger”s name is mentioned.

    He has done his part and left, so, don’t expect all posters to join in your normal name calling hobby against the man.

    In my few years of reading this blog, I have noticed some posters who disappear when tactics are discussed but resurface when it’s time to insult the Wenger.

    Like I posted in the former thread, referencing Wenger by some is just to show the decadence in performance of the present incompetent one in our club .

    If bellerin. Is not available then mustafi should be able to do the job well as a rb.

    I prefer Chambers as a cb.

  102. China1

    If Bellerin is fit vs Leicester (I dunno if he is)

    I would try chambers and torreira as DM against Leicester, with ozil ahead. That gives you physicality and terrier qualities plus two defensive first players playing DM for what would be the first time this season.

    Martinelli auba and pepe up front with laca presumably coming on in the second half subject to circumstances

    I don’t think it’s easy to pick a starting 11 because it’s subjective. But I also don’t think it’s rocket science to put good defensive players in defensive positions. Something emery prefers not to do for reasons we’ll never know

  103. China1

    If that incident with xhaka hadn’t happened he’d be nailed on to start every game this season barring injury

    Emery isn’t even paying attention

  104. China1

    If Bellerin isn’t fit you could even keep chambers at RB and put Luiz at DM.

    —————-Leno
    Cham-sok-holding-Tierney
    ————torreira-Luiz
    —————-ozil
    Pepe————————-Martinelli
    —————-auba

    Bench:
    Martinez
    Mustafi
    Guen
    Ceballos
    Willock
    Laca
    AMN

    It’s not perfect as holding is still regaining sharpness but I don’t see why that couldn’t be a better setup than we’re currently arsing around with

    Instead expect to see torreira in advanced positions for no good reason, lack of protection for the defense and us getting overrun with our only hope being auba bailing us out

    Good luck to us

  105. Emiratesstroller

    Emery’s career at Arsenal is terminal. The only question will be when he leaves.

    There are going to be two possible time frames for his departure namely by
    Christmas, which is effectively halfway through this season or in May.

    My original view was that he would be given until end of season based on Arsenal’s historic reluctance to sack managers too quickly.

    However, Arsenal’s performances this season in EPL have been so poor that
    I cannot see how we can delay decision much longer.

    Let’s be perfectly frank there has not been a game in EPL despite the 4 victories and draws, which we deserved to win.

    The football has been bland, the modus operandi chaotic and we are defensively brittle and cannot hold onto 2 goal leads even against moderate
    opposition such as Crystal Palace.

    The hard facts are we are not punching or weight in EPL despite spending a
    lot of money in summer.

    Arsenal need to do something quickly because the real concern would be if
    Aubameyang makes a decision not to sign a new contract. That will happen
    if the performance does not improve fairly rapidly or he sees an uplift in the
    club’s ambition.

    The million dollar question is whether Arsenal would replace Emery with an
    experienced and established manager. Personally I am not sure they will do
    that except on a caretaker basis mid term.

    The club has a very young squad and maybe the owners might take a gamble
    particularly if we look like not qualifying for Champions League on a young
    Head Coach. I agree with Pedro that Arteta might have been a better option
    than Emery.

    However, I think that Vieira might be the better option today. He has got management experience albeit in USA and Nice and he had a good coaching
    grounding at Man City.

    Moreover there is also a better chance that with Vieira we can put together
    a decent Coaching Team.

    I was always concerned about Emery, despite some reports that he was rated
    a decent coach, because of his poor communication skills and also the fact
    that he brought with him a large number of other Spanish Coaches who one
    suspects have also limited English.

    When you bring in a major foreign coach there is always going to be a lot
    of baggage coming with them as well.

    What is clear is that Freddy Ljungberg needs to stay at the club and I would
    also bring in Bergkamp as well.

  106. China1

    From emery you’d think we have no DMs in the squad when in reality we have torreira Luiz and Chambers all as capable options, assuming guen is still work in progress

  107. Emiratesstroller

    There is another reason why I would be disposed to recruit Vieira and that is
    there are now three key players in our squad namely Aubameyang, Lacazette
    and Pepe with French background.

    Also you have young players like Guendouzi and shortly Saliba also on books.
    Many of the young major talents in Europe are also French.

  108. China1

    Benny this is a long shot here but do/did you know James cope?

    He was a city youth keeper for years when we were at school together. Lives in portishead

    Not sure how old you are tho

  109. Bojangles

    Tee

    Your comment is reasonable. The thing is, how often do we need to be told of the incompetence of Emery when almost the entire blog wants him gone anyway. We do not need to hear that Wenger was a better coach/manager. It has gone beyond serving that purpose. Wenger has gone and as I said yesterday he is not relevant now other than as part of Arsenal’s history.

  110. Nelson

    China1

    If at home and also if Holding is the old Holding, I would go with your lineup. But last game, Holding was no where near EPL ready. I expect that he’ll play the cup game on Thursday.

    I select Guen instead of Ozil. This is because it is an away game against a very hot team. My plan would have all three midfielders parking the bus. Even Martinelli will be tasked to help out the defense. We’ll try to do fast counter with Pepe and Auba.

    Tee

    As for why I propose Mustafi instead of Chambers for right back, it is because I have Chambers already in the DM position. I am planning to park the bus with long ball to Pepe or Aube for fast counter.

  111. Graham62

    ES

    Bergkamp would be a good shout.

    He has already said he would come back but only after his children have grown up.

  112. Brooklyn

    Chambers can’t play as deepest mid tactically, but as defensive box to box player alongside either Torreira, Guendouzi or Xhaka he can do decent job.

  113. Nelson

    My plan is to play Torr, Guen and Chambers as three defensive midfielders. We’ll try to get at least one point from this away game.