Emery has to go.

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It’s going to be a fairly quick post from me today, I’m mainly writing this now because I did a podcast with a friend who was over from London, check it out at the bottom of this blog!

Today was all about the battles Emery hasn’t really won. Namely, he had to drop Granit Xhaka from the squad after his captain refused to tow the party line and apologise for his nonsense on Monday. He also brought Mesut Ozil back into the fold after banishing him a week ago very publicly.

The starting 11 kind of looked interesting on paper, we opted for a 4-4-2, which looked 4-2-1-3 in transition. I think it was quite hard for anyone to really tell what the message of the day was tactically. The most glaring, ‘what the fuck is Emery doing’, was happening with Ozil. The manager in his ultimate wisdom had decided that he’d put LT in the #10 role, asking Mesut Ozil to drop deep and do the dirty work with the Matteo.

Name me a coach anywhere in the world that would opt for that as an approach without consuming at least 19 beers beforehand.

It was painful to watch Mesut drop deep and have to work the ball up the pitch, a task made even more difficult by a Matteo G having a seriously out of sorts day. The Frenchman had the type of bad game young players have, he couldn’t string a pass together and nothing went right for him.

In spite of the baffling tactical approach, we did score a goal and move ahead of Wolves. A Luiz and Chambers combo on the right found Lacazette who unselfishly teed up Auba for a simple slotted finish.

We weren’t really in control of the game though, in the second half, Wolves ramped up the pressure and found a breakthrough. The only part of this bitter taste was the subs. Emery tried to defend the lead this time by taking off Torreira and Lacazette for Gabriel and Saka. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but in this situation, I think we simply learned that Emery doesn’t have a clue how to defend a lead regardless of the personnel. That’s three leads in a week he’s spunked up the wall, two from 2 goal leads. He’s tried bringing on defenders and failed and he’s tried keeping things attack-minded and also failed.

The goal was typical Arsenal. A quick Wolves throw, Ceballos was flat-footed, Moutinho hooked an unchallenged cross into the box and no one was quicker to the ball than Raul. A total switch off that felt oh so familiar.

Emery reverted to type late on and tried to chase the game with the introduction of Kola despite having Pepe on the bench. A maddening move, but very typical of a manager who really is lost at sea without a boat, a paddle, or the depth of water to put himself out of his misery.

The game finished 1-1. If Leicester win their game in hand we’ll be 6 points off top 4, with them moving ahead with Chelsea. By next week, if we lose to Leicester like we expect to, we’ll be 9 points adrift… and to think, this was supposed to be the easy run of games.

Things are so bad, the stadium is half empty for a rare Saturday 3pm kick off. The fans, the players, and the media are all united behind the #EmeryOut banner. If you’re not, know that he thought the tactical approach today was spot on.

“It’s a bad result, but tactically it worked how we wanted.”

Imagine playing counter-attacking football against Wolves at home, conceding 25 shots and having your shots on target total doubled by them… then telling fans that have seen peak Wenger football the plan was correct?

He needs to be sacked.

This won’t get any better.

The biggest worry we should have as fans is what happens next, because I am speaking to far too many people that have been so brutalised by Emery… Mourinho tastes like an entree from Eleven Madison.

We can talk about that at another time, I think it’s a cancerous idea, but I absolutely knew this would be the byproduct of an Emery appointment… hiring him was like being bitten by a rattlesnake in the wild, semi surviving it, and taking refuge in a bear pit (hungry bears). Jose is part two, but I have to say, even though I know he’ll be bad… I’d take being savaged by bears if it comes in 2 years time.

I’ll have more thoughts on this tomorrow, but right now, I need you to listen to the pod I just did with Lee. He’s a season ticket holder and an away day fan. He talks a lot of sense. Enjoy!

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  1. Batistuta

    Benny

    Might as well bring back the whole invicibles squad in as coaches in some capacity….

    We need to not fall the United way and bring in some old boy out of nostalgia….There are much more competent coaches put there who’d give an arm and a leg to come here so why do we need to put a rookie in charge in a season where we absolutely must get back into the champions league?

    Allegri
    Mourinho(short term)
    Benitez(short term)

    We need to not fall into the trap of this whole Freddie as an interim thing or bringing back Viera or even Henry….We need a solid experienced leader who’d command some sort of respect from these set of players

  2. Manxgooner

    Emery out! Just waiting for that yellow bar to pop up on sky sports news with Emery sacked rolling across the bottom of the screen! Hurry up and just sack the useless prick!

  3. Samesong

    Wow seeing the highlights again. Watch Gunedouzi reaction to Ceballos when the ball goes out of play. Guen body language is telling come on! And the next thing throw on and ceballos switched off. And cross then goal.

    Maybe I was a tad harsh on Chambers for the goal as the wolves players had the jump on early.

  4. TR7

    I feel stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. If the club continues with Emery we are doomed and if it replaces the Spaniard with Mourinho, we are ruined.

  5. TR7

    Samesong

    Perhaps not but I can’t get excited by Jose Mourinho. He will improve us in some aspect but by the time he finishes up, my guess is most of us will be left wondering whether taking a gamble on Jose was worth it. He turns in to a vicious, vile and insecure man when things go awry and I am pretty much certain at Arsenal things will go awry at some point or the other. It is not going to be a smooth ride.

  6. þorkell einarsson

    Lets try to wow Eddie Howe our way before doing something stupid like
    Moaninhio.. !! He is level-headed and could easily manage Arsenal as his
    next step..

  7. Guns of Hackney

    There are many many options out there all better than Emery and Jose. Lots.

    Arsenal however, are the gift that keeps on giving and they are actively trolling your support everyday. So expect them to hire Jose with Sam Alardyce as his no.2 and Arsene as fitness coach.

    Emery out.
    Raul out.
    Edu…where are you? MIA.

  8. Bojangles

    Same song

    I beg your pardon, I did not realise this was not a public blog. Carry on your conversation, I shall scroll past your comments so as not to butt into your private conversations again.

  9. TR7

    Bojangles

    ‘Maureen may be a short term fix but in 18 months time we’ll be in a bigger mess than we are now’

    Most likely. There are many better candidates we can go for.

  10. Emiratesstroller

    If Emery was to be sacked I wonder whether Arsenal might in short term promote Mertesacker to run first team alongside Ljungberg.

    Mertesacker may not have been the most skilful footballer but he is a 100
    Cap German International and World Cup Winner. He is currently in his
    second year running Academy and he is an intelligent and articulate guy.

    We have at the moment a lot of very young players in our squad who will
    need nurturing something I doubt Mourinho will offer.

    One point about Mourinho which makes it most unlikely that he would become our manager is that he will expect a large transfer budget. That is
    most unlikely in current situation.

  11. Samesong

    How many of these ‘so called managers’ are currently available if Emery were to be sacked if we lose against Leciester?

    Arteta
    Mertesacker( ES)
    Enrique

    Can’t think of many out of a job right now.

  12. Bojangles

    I watched the AV v Pool game today. It could have been 3-1 AV’s favour at half time. Villa certainly showed up Liverpool’s frailties at the back.

  13. Bob N16

    Interesting idea ES. I was thinking that Freddie would need some help. Let’s not forget when Emery goes, he’ll take his team with him.

    I imagined that Freddie could take over in the last couple of months of the season, it’s now looking like the next international break. Not sure if that’s too much of an ask.

    Who could take over? TR7 summed Mourinho up very well. He may be the pragmatic choice but he’s fundamentally toxic. What’s Benitez up to? The way he organised Newcastle and his experience of the PL might just be a what we need. Could he provide a good balance to Freddie?

    Not sure whether we would want to steal another team’s coach mid-season. Would we want a coach who leaves his team in the lurch?

    Emery is gone. The farcical misuse of resources whether it’s playing Torreira out of position, ridiculous substitutions or the pathetic defence of his strategies mean the end.

    Edu and Sanhelli need to step up.

  14. SUGA3

    Right now I think allowing Freddie take over right now and seeking to employ someone like Keown for defensive coaching and fear factor would be the best options hands down. Fuck, hire Vieira as well, just for the hell of some one getting the Anelka treatment for mouthing off 😆

    We are not making top four with Emery. It is as simple as that. The football is gash, his relation with the team are fubar, the fans hate him, the press hates him, players rip the piss out of him. If he stays, the only way is down from here.

  15. China1

    I’m not advocating for any in particular as I’m not sure who I want yet, but Mourinho, allegri, arteta, Benitez are likely all available – and we could likely poach an up and coming coach from the continent mid contract for a few million as well which would greatly expand the list. Then there are extra wild card options like Freddie

    I haven’t fully decided who I want, but I know I don’t want emery.

  16. TR7

    Samesong

    Why can’t we sign a manager who is already in a job ? Signing a manager is too important a decision for any club to worry about £5-8 M extra it will take to prise away from another club a quality manager.

  17. China1

    I do very much agree that keown needs bringing back as defensive coach

    He made a back four of flamini, senderos, toure and eboue into the most watertight init in CL history. That’s nigh on witchcraft.

    He needs to be given the keys to our defensive unit and told to go ham. It’s all his lol

  18. Samesong

    Why can’t we sign a manager who is already in a job ? Signing a manager is too important a decision for any club to worry about £5-8 M extra it will take to prise away from another club a quality manager.

    TR7 I am all for that. And my comment on Mourinho was more out of desperation of getting Emery out then anything. I totally agree with the you and the posters about Mourinho.

    People mention Nagelsmann quite a bit. I’m just interested in seeing who people ideal manager to come in would be even if they are in a job right now.

  19. versus

    All this BAMFORD guy says is “if this” and “if that”.

    Makes assumptions about Emery’s thought processes and decisions based on probability logic. This is why you need to use so many “ifs”

    hilarious

  20. Emiratesstroller

    Ljungberg is undoubtedly a decent coach, but he does not have experience in running a club. On the other hand Mertesacker has been offered that role at club albeit at academy level.

    Bringing in a couple of experienced coaches like say Bergkamp to work alongside Mertesacker might be short term solution until end of season.

    There are not a lot of quality managers available mid season and as I suggested I don’t think Mourinho offers a solution working with such a young
    squad. He will want a big transfer budget.

  21. SUGA3

    China,

    My point exactly. Every time Keown does pundit work, he explains quickly where the problem is at. Quietly and succinctly. He really knows his shit.

    At the same time, can you imagine for one second any of the players ripping the piss out of him? Me neither.

  22. Bamford10

    The Mirror is reporting that Sanllehi had dinner with Mourinho this week and that Emery has one or two games to save his job.

  23. Bamford10

    The funny thing is that what is required at the moment is not all that complicated, and this is why I would be comfortable with Freddie taking over. Emirates talks about “running a club” above, but the manager doesn’t “run the club” at Arsenal any more. Sanllehi and Edu do. All the new manager needs to do is select the right formation, select the right XI, train the team in certain patterns of play, train on set pieces, and keep all of the players happy and healthy. This is not something I’d leave to Bob or Joe — and definitely not to Charlie — but it is very much something Freddie can do, especially if you give him one or two smart assistants.

  24. habesha gooner

    Watching Erik ten hag and his ajax team really is a joy. I would like him in the summer. Freddie should be enough to get the feel good factor going in the short term. That’s my preference anyway.

  25. Brooklyn

    Don’t rate any newish manager high enough in that they will make us title contenders in 5 years time or even improve us long term…

    Mourinho I do have time for even though it may end in shambles by 2nd or 3rd year….That said our young players will improve mentally if they can survive him and that will be huge for us long term….

  26. Bamford10

    This is unlikely here, but if anyone has a soft spot in his heart for Unai Emery and wants him to keep his job, go to Colney and stand out front with a sign that reads: “Drop the 4-4-2. Play 4-5-1. Rotate Laca & Auba.” This alone would pretty much save his job.

  27. Pierre

    Pedro
    “The manager in his ultimate wisdom had decided that he’d put LT in the #10 role, asking Mesut Ozil to drop deep and do the dirty work with the Matteo.

    Name me a coach anywhere in the world that would opt for that as an approach without consuming at least 19 beers beforehand.”

    Back in may I was slaughtered on here for saying a similar thing .

    I stated that Ozil , in a European cup final , was asked primarily to shadow/ man mark jorginho.

    And now everyone are starting to realise what an incompetent fool he is.

    Who was it who said ” you are not a coach”

    What a perceptive man he is.

  28. Emiratesstroller

    Bamford 10

    Emery may not be a Manager like Wenger but he is responsible for running the
    first team and that requires experience. Ljungberg has never had that responsibility.

  29. Brooklyn

    Don’t think we should care about the way we play football, beautiful effective football can only be played with quality players and needed balancing players throughout the pitch ….

  30. Bob N16

    Can’t agree Brooklyn.

    As Daniel Taylor writes in the Athletic today, ‘ Mourinho’s baggage is not a price worth paying’.

    Don’t see the United players benefitting hugely having survived the ‘Toxic One’ .

  31. Bamford10

    Emirates

    Right, but running the first team is running a team, and he has run a team before. He has also been observing the running of the first team for five months now. As long as he is an intelligent, charismatic guy, he definitely could do it. Yes, he would need a couple of smart assistants, but he could do it.

  32. CG

    Jose M is an inspired choice as the next Arsenal manager

    Have no doubts.
    Have no fears.

    A London based Jose ain’t gonna be the morose hotel dwelling one we witnessed at Manchester for 3 seasons.

    He can still have afternoon tea at my London local -The Wolseley after training and then skaddadle off home to the family.

    Anyone who underestimates this man and his track record simply dont get people…

    This is history repeating itself circa 1975 when a ‘ washed up’ Brian Clough joined Forest

    Back in the East Midlands, a written off Cloughie ( scared from the Leeds and Brighton fiascos) went on to turn Forest into twice European Champions.

    Jose will inspire the players,the fans and most importantly The Kroenkes to get us back on track.

    He will soon put a STOP of the Spiv and The Ponce ( Edu) sauntering into the dressing room when they like.

    (That’s is the players sanctuary.
    No one goes in there- except players and coaches.)

    JOSE,Cloughie and indeed yours truly know the key to success.

    It’s the calf muscle mass index theory.
    Its totally proven and all elite mangers/coach use it.

    PS. I bought Jose as the next manger during my exile.

    I am on for fortunes if he is appointed in the month of November

    25% to charity as always

    There is no Tick Tock with Jose.

  33. TR7

    ‘Mourinho I do have time for even though it may end in shambles by 2nd or 3rd year….That said our young players will improve mentally if they can survive him and that will be huge for us long term….’

    Man United probably thought on the same lines.

  34. Un na naai

    Bamford10November 3, 2019 09:34:35
    No to Mourinho.

    Thankfully chubby yank English teacher’s opinions don’t get factored in or we’d be stuck with emery until the end of the season

  35. Un na naai

    After the game against Wolves, however, he surprisingly said he was happy with the performance, despite being outplayed.He said he felt it was an equal match, and that the players tried and worked hard, deserving more from the game.But ESPN FC’s Alejandro Moreno was perplexed by his comments and tore into the Gunners boss.
    What?! What are you talking about?!” he asked, stunned, in response to Emery’s comments.“You get out-shot at home, not just out-shot by a couple – double the amount of shots by Wolves.
    “They dominated the game in the second half, Arsenal were hanging on at home.
    “And you’re telling me this is exactly how we wanted to play the game? That tactically this is what we wanted to do?You lost points at home, you were hanging on, you were fortunate to escape with a point. And this is what you say?“Sometimes coaches have to get out of their own way.“They have to get out of the idea that they have all the ideas and everything they told the players, they executed.“He looks like an idiot saying something like this.

  36. Un na naai

    At home, we desperately need a win, and he’s putting on a left back? What on earth? There was no mention of Pepe in the post-match press conference, which surprised me because it’s a legitimate question. Perhaps he was unfit, and it’s not uncommon for a player incapable of doing 90 minutes to be on the bench in case you need him. But if he wasn’t fit enough for the seven minutes he gave Kolasinac, why was he on there at all? If he was fit enough, why didn’t Emery use him? It’s baffling management, not least because with Chambers, Sokratis and Luiz it would have been very simple to shift to a back three and throw the kitchen sink at Wolves in the final stages.

  37. Bob N16

    Bamford, you are oversimplifying what it takes to be the coach of a top team.

    ‘All the new manager needs to do is select the right formation, select the right XI, train the team in certain patterns of play, train on set pieces, and keep all of the players happy and healthy’.

    It’s very simple to write that list but to manage it successfully is clearly incredibly difficult. Just look how long coaches on average stay in their jobs.

  38. Un na naai

    If you look at the subs, it looks like Emery was more afraid of losing the game than he was interested in winning it, which wouldn’t be a surprise given the conservatism and cautiousness he’s displayed since he arrived at the club. Throwing on a couple of kids and then eschewing the club’s record signing when we so badly needed three points is either incompetence or something more pointed. Either way, in terms of game management it left a lot to be desired and it might well cost him his job.Afterwards, when the boos at the final whistle had died down and he met the press afterwards, he suggested rather bizarrely that the players had carried out his instructions on the day well:The result is a bad result, but tactically I think we worked how we wanted. The players tried, they worked, so now we need to finish that match and focus on the next one.What can you say? I could go through the list of post-game, post-miserable performance buzzwords and talk about the lack of cohesion, the lack of a real identity in the way we played, no fluency, no aggression or control for most of the game, but what is the point? You all saw it, you’ve seen it all season long, and last season too. This is not a new phenomenon, this is who Unai Emery is and the initial newness of him created a bit of momentum but it’s well and truly gone now. This Arsenal are team are shuddering to a halt under this manager.Here are some cold hard facts:Wolves had 25 shots yesterday, Arsenal had 10.
    Arsenal’s last shot on target came in the 32nd minute when Lacazette forced the keeper into a relatively decent save.
    Arsenal have taken just 2 points from the last 9 available.
    Arsenal have won just 2 of the last 9 Premier League games.
    Since beating Newcastle 2-0 on April 1st 2019, Arsenal have won just 6 of the subsequent 18 Premier League games (and also got battered in a European final).
    So, despite a summer which regenerated a lot of the goodwill which was lost by the appalling end to last season, and which refreshed the squad in a way that the majority of people were happy with, we’re just seeing more of the same from Emery. Nothing has improved, nothing looks like it’s getting better, there’s no defined style of play, defensively we’re a shambles (just two clean sheets from 11 Premier League games), and you cannot tell me that the players are on board with this. They’re struggling because of Emery, and I believe the squad we have is capable of a lot better than this.At this point, we’re just delaying the inevitable by not replacing him. He’s not going to turn this around, and while I realise a Twitter poll isn’t a fully accurate measure of fan sentiment, the results to the one I posted yesterday speak for themselves:

  39. Bamford10

    Samesong

    Yes, Ceballos turned off for a moment there, but he turned back on quickly enough. It was just as much on his lack of pace as it was on him briefly turning off. And it is also partly on Chambers, who got completely bullied by Jimenez.

  40. Un na naai

    Bob N16November 3, 2019 09:39:29
    Bamford, you are oversimplifying what it takes to be the coach of a top team.

    Bob
    Like he knows
    Benteke better than Giroud
    PSG more prestigious than Man U
    Neymar gate
    Kane not world class
    Mahrez better than Mane
    Backing emery when it was clear it’s over for him.
    Blaming our players when 80% of them are new

  41. Brooklyn

    Formation and position are determined on defensive phase, on fluid offensive play players take position according to team’s necessity and said player strength…

    Anyway I thought Torreira was the one helping Chambers at RB position defensively, that must mean Torreira and Chambers were both RB eh??

    When did Torreira play as 10?? Pretty sure I watched same game and Torreira was playing as LCM in 4 man diamond midfield and Ceballos as RCM. Like Paulinho states Torreira had intensity and mentality to attack opposition penalty box, i.e. using his limited ability to help team offensively but Ceballos is nothing run around tippy tappy player so did nothing offensively useful.

  42. Un na naai

    Bamford you clown

    Nobody is listening to you John
    You’ve been trolling over emery for weeks
    You’re opinion is worthless now.
    You’ve valued being right above being honest and now you’ve egg all over your chubby face.

  43. Bamford10

    Bob

    Obviously I am simplifying a little. My point is that a new manager wouldn’t actually have that much to do in the grand scheme of things, as this team does not need a complete re-thinking. The new manager would simply need to get certain things right.

    Tell me about the other important things the new manager would need to do, though. I’d like to hear you talk about this.

  44. Emiratesstroller

    Whoever comes in beyond Emery will need to beef up our midfield, because at
    the moment it is lightweight with Guendouzi and Ceballos playing in central
    midfield.

  45. Bamford10

    Un Na

    It’s “your,” and there’s nothing “dishonest” about being fair and reasonable. More, I began questioning Emery long before you and many of the other vocal Emery-outers here did — review the record — and have been saying for some time now that he might have to go before January.

    So, no.

  46. Bamford10

    Emirates

    Right, but that’s not on the manager; that’s on Sanllehi and Edu. You don’t need a new manager to add better players to our midfield in the next window or two.

  47. Bamford10

    He brought on Kolasinac because Tierney was exhausted. This was obvious. Yes, it would have been nice to go more for the win at that point, but you also want make sure you shore up the defense and don’t lose. That would have been truly disastrous.

  48. Bamford10

    Pierre

    I was talking about the “your” in “your opinions”. So, ummm, no.

    And you’re the troll here, mate. You’ve explicitly admitted as much.

  49. Brooklyn

    TR7,
    I thought Jose did pretty good at Man Utd. If their board backed Jose to bin Pogba like ours did with Emery binning Ramsey and Ozil it may have been different.

    He will face no such problem of player power or player unwilling to follow Manager’s instruction.

  50. Crusaderrabbit

    Where are the #wecaredoyou guys? Wheres the AST? Fanbase hasnt been this united in years – they’re missing a trick here to get to Raul & co

  51. Pierre

    Bamford
    “And you’re the troll here, mate. You’ve explicitly admitted as much.”

    The difference is , I was right and you are umm…..wrong.

  52. Brooklyn

    Bringing on Saka was frustrating for me…he like Nelson and Willock have no intensity in their play which was needed at the moment. We can see their pace when they have ball at their feet but they never use their pace to stretch play getting behind defense or to get quickly in defensive position even if they are pitch for few minutes…Willock at least becomes more active in and around penalty area then too he is a possession losing machine.

  53. Bob N16

    I agree Bamford that there would likely be an immediate improvement bringing in a new coach.

    Your list was a fair summation of the key areas of responsibility but it obviously lacked any complexity. For example ‘keeping the players happy’. To achieve that day-in, day-out requires great communication skills and respect derived from making good decisions.

    Some of this could be achieved by good delegation which is of course is another area that a coach needs to be good at. If Freddie was to take over, he might find it hard to know when to be fully involved or when to delegate.

    I’m just a lifelong interested fan so I can’t presume to know half of the behind scenes interactions that would be integral to being a successful coach. You’re right in suggesting, like in any successful sports team, that when things are going well things appear simple but like a duck swimming, there’s a lot that you cannot see going on out of sight.

  54. Un na naai

    Bamford10November 3, 2019 09:50:03
    Un NaIt’s “your,” and there’s nothing “dishonest” about being fair and reasonable. More, I began questioning Emery long before you and many of the other vocal Emery-outers here did — review the record — and have been saying for some time now that he might have to go before January.So, no.

    Er no you prick. You’ve got a shit memory Bamford

    I was probably the most vocal commenter against emery here when it was first announced we had him.
    Don’t try and bullshit your way around this
    You’ve been backing him up from the off. You even got banned because of your over zealous backing of him and in the process began insulting Pedro because your bullshit assessment was exploded as laughable.

  55. Un na naai

    Bamford10November 3, 2019 09:54:36
    He brought on Kolasinac because Tierney was exhausted. This was obvious. Yes, it would have been nice to go more for the win at that point, but you also want make sure you shore up the defense and don’t lose. That would have been truly disastrous.

    Bam
    Right. So he made a defensive sub to cling to a point at home to wolves
    Next up Leicester

    Bang bang
    That will be the end

  56. Brooklyn

    Emery needs to go if we are to make top4 this season…Our midfield is weak physically, tactically for him to make use of defensive positional play.

  57. terraloon

    The majority suggest with some justification that Emery was a poor choice but what does surprise me is that so many are fairly confident than the squad is better than the results .

    I am not for one second suggesting UE instils any sort of confidence but I am fast approaching the view that the quality of the squad is no where near good enough and a million miles away from the standard and quality some suggest they are.

    Far too many of the current squad in game time lack awareness of what’s going on around them they all seem to me to lack that extra something mentally that elevates a player from being good to top class and as from elevating them from top class to World Class they all are a million miles from even suggesting any of them are close to reaching that sort of adulation.

  58. Bob N16

    Emery’s second and third substitutions were baffling. Torreira off, to be replaced by Saka and then the coup de grace replacing your left back with two minutes of normal time left. Obviously if Tiernay was injured that would explain it but when you’re chasing the game, surely you bring on Pepe and give him at least ten minutes to try and influence the game.

    I would have brought on Willock but then I would have played Torreira at DM where he may have been able to last the 90 minutes. I would have brought off a tired looking Ozil or Ceballos. I would have finished with PEA and Pepe up front with Martinelli using his boundless energy just behind them.

  59. Emiratesstroller

    I have always advocated that the club needs to rebuild its defence in part because the current group of centre backs are accident prone and make silly
    and reckless decisions.

    However, the major concern this season has been how easily our midfield has
    been overpowered and the number of attacks/shots produced by opposing teams including the like of Watford and yesterday Wolves.

    This is not only down to Xhaka. We have lightweight players like Ceballos
    and Guendouzi who are failing to control the ball in midfield and that has been a serious problem all season. I have always maintained that Guendouzi
    is at best a 50-60 minute player. He runs out of energy and physicality in most
    games that he plays.

    The club needs to recruit as early as possible a physically strong player in midfield and that is not going to cost peanuts if you find such a player, which will be difficult in January.

    My view is in the short term the offensive position in team can be held by Ozil.
    Despite what RT has written yesterday Ozil has played okay in last two games
    and at 31 he can still provide the skill, intelligence and assists needed by our
    forwards, but he needs to be motivated by a manager or head coach who can
    get the best out of him. That is unfortunately not Emery.

  60. Daz

    Mourinho might actually be just what we need, imagine his ego if he were to turn us around and start competing in games properly? Right now we are a laughing stock he would use that to galvanise the squad us against the world mentality. When Mourinho gets players on his side he really gets them but obviously he also can lose certain players badly but for me its worth trying as Emery has gone from bad to worse and its clear he has lost a number of the players himself if he ever had them to begin with. We’re not getting top 4 this season either way so might as well use the rest of this season to bed in a new coach ready for next year

  61. Brooklyn

    Back four, Torreira and Guendouzi base, Ozil at 10, Pepe, Auba/Laca, Martinelli or midfield 3 with with Ozil out and a energetic CM with decent pace(we don’t have any) maybe Chambers??? Is probably out best line up.

  62. Brooklyn

    I had noticed Ozil’s intensity vastly improve in pre-season and in few games he has played….After seeing Willock(Vastly inferior technically) and Ceballos (slow, doesn’t make runs to stretch opponents lacks any ability to play penetrative pass), Ozil should be our 10 or play with flat midfield 3…

  63. CG

    terraloon

    “””I am fast approaching the view that the quality of the squad is no where near good enough and a million miles away from the standard and quality some suggest they are”””

    Concur
    Said it and got banned.

    The Spiv and the Ponce have bought us some right garbage.

    We are so pedestrian, one dimensional, flaccid and either too old or too young,

    Pepe – never played a CL game. Never will.
    Tierney – was the first proper game of soccer he played yesterday in his career and he looked shellshocked
    cebollas – we now Know why ZZ ousted him,
    Torreira- the Sue Ellen/Deidre Barlow of world soccer.
    Louise on a 2.5 year deal?

    Even with Jose at the helm- we aint getting top 4.

    People over hype and overrate these current AFC players.

  64. Bamford10

    Un Na

    “You’ve been backing him up from the off. You even got banned because of your over zealous backing of him.”

    No. That is not what happened, and I have never “backed” Emery. I did reject certain criticisms of him, and I did reject certain (IMO, false) claims that some people, including Pedro, were making about him and his management, but I never “backed” him.

    As for whether you were against him from the get-go, I don’t know about that. I’d have to check the record. If you were, good for you. This wouldn’t actually be all that great of an honor for you, though, as there was little reason (aside from superficial and somewhat dubious ones) to be opposed to him from the get-go.

    I can say, however, that I was one of the first people here to agree with Pedro — this beginning in September of last year — that serious questions needed to be asked about his vision, his approach, his tactical nous. If you doubt this, review the posts and comments section comments in the links below. This is the actual early history.

    “Frankenstein squad winning games, not fans” – September 24th, 2018
    https://le-grove.co.uk/2018/09/24/frankenstein-squad-winning-games-not-fans/comment-page-1/#comments

    “Arsenal Riding the Luck Train” – October 1st, 2018
    https://le-grove.co.uk/2018/10/01/arsenal-riding-the-luck-train/

    “Emery hitting the incremental good vibes, right?”
    https://le-grove.co.uk/2018/10/02/emery-hitting-the-incremental-good-vibes-right/comment-page-2/

  65. Brooklyn

    Yeah we don’t have any ego/personality to match that of Mourinho so unless Mourinho becomes unhinged we won’t face same issue as Utd did.

    Of course he should accept our limitations financially for him to get hired in first place. After that I don’t think we will have any problem, except for bringing up our past.

  66. Un na naai

    BrooklynNovember 3, 2019 10:07:40
    Un na naai,
    Why were you against Emery so early?

    Brooklyn
    Because we’d just sacked the greatest manager in Arsenal history
    The man brought the club into the 22st century at the expense of his reputation
    He built the stadium
    He built the training ground
    He made stars and sold them to facilitate it

    The man we hired has to be bold. Not a wet fucking Spanish waiter. The man we hired had to take the foundations wenger laid and add what he couldn’t. The spine, the vocal leadership, the defensive responsibility.

    Emery has stripped all that away
    Why did I not want emery? Because I thought he was shit. Not this shit. I thought he was better than this. But he was never the man for arsenal. Not now. Not ever. It was a fucking coward’s move to bring him in. And now we are paying for it

  67. Un na naai

    Bamford10November 3, 2019 10:23:46
    CG“the Spiv”? This is why you got binned, mate. Not because you said the squad wasn’t all that great.

    Hahahaha
    Fucking rich
    Zero self awareness John. Zero.

  68. Brooklyn

    CG,
    I remember your disdain for signing player from Scottish league, but I thought bar first couple of moment against Traore he was pretty astute.

    Like Mourinho said Tierney is another Monreal consistent 7-8/10 player, of course he will need to adjust to PL and he is just returning back from long injury

  69. karim

    Hire the Portuguese bastard asap before he flies away to Munich or Madrid !
    We’re that desperate, sadly…

    He will steady this fast-sinking ship.

    I like what CG said about what a washed-up Clough did for Forest and all we need right now is a top 4 spot.

    Fed up with our constant defensive shit shows and our strikers will like him for sure.
    Imagine what he could do with a confident Pepe for example.

    Bring the cunt in !

  70. Emiratesstroller

    Brooklyn

    I would not be too critical of Willock. I see potential there and certainly a better prospect than Ceballos.

    At the moment he is a squad player and that is fine. Ceballos on the other hand at 24 is someone who should be playing regularly in first team. Realistically I do not think that he is good enough to do so.

    If we are spending serious money on a midfield player we need most definitely an upgrade.

  71. Un na naai

    As for whether you were against him from the get-go, I don’t know about that. I’d have to check the record. If you were, good for you. This wouldn’t actually be all that great of an honor for you, though, as there was little reason (aside from superficial and somewhat dubious ones) to be opposed to him from the get-go.

    Bamford

    Check away.
    😂
    You need to find something to galvanise your life mate. A bloke of your age even thinking about checking 2 years worth of posts to prove a point is actually really sad man.
    Don’t you want a family?

  72. karim

    Hire the Portuguese bastard asap before he flies away to Munich or Madrid !

    We’re that desperate, sadly…

    He will steady this fast-sinking ship.

    I like what CG said about what a washed-up Clough did for Forest and all we need right now is a top 4 spot.

    Fed up with our constant defensive shit shows and our strikers will like him for sure.
    Imagine what he could do with Pepe for example.

    Bring the cunt in !

  73. Brooklyn

    Un na naai,
    So bold with personality was your expectation then fair enough.
    Personally I just wanted coach who could get decent result and get us into top 4 within two season and teach us to defend from front.
    Not looking likely now, we have gotten even worse it seems, so more people will join #Sackmery bandwagon…

  74. CG

    Brooklyn

    Re:Tierney

    He has likeable qualities, granted.
    He is a Mans Man!
    And has a striking resemblance to the mighty Stuart Pearce

    But only one look at him- he is physically incapable to be robust enough to play regularly in the prem.

    Why do you think- no one else was in for him?

  75. Pierre

    Stroller
    The set up of the midfield is a massive problem, they do not play as a unit under Emery and I’ve come to the conclusion, they never will.

    A physically strong midfielder seems like the answer but until we employ a manager who understands that a midfield must be set up to provide protection to the defence, then I’m not sure it matters who we recruit.

    Wenger was no better in that he allowed one of our 2 central midfielders (Ramsey) to play without any defensive discipline.

    Emery is worse in this respect.

    The least that should happen at this present time with the players we have , is that the manager should employ 2 central midfielders to protect the defence and instruct them that on no account are they to get ahead of the ball…that would be a start.

    Chelsea have 2 midgets with little physicality in their central midfield, they have positional awareness and play as a unit and rarely ( if ever)get ahead of the ball , hence they can control the game.

  76. Valentin

    Bamford,

    You are as fair and balance as Fox News. Your fair and reasonable opinion are more like Propaganda akin to The Pravda.

  77. Bamford10

    Un Na

    “Because we’d just sacked the greatest manager in Arsenal history. The man brought the club into the 21st century at the expense of his reputation. He built the stadium. He built the training ground. He made stars and sold them to facilitate it.

    The man we hired has to be bold. Not a wet fucking Spanish waiter.”

    Yikes. So much for having credible reasons for being opposed to Emery.

  78. Valentin

    Welcome back CG.
    🤗
    You have been missed and your prediction that Emery would be gone by November seems it will come true.
    No Tick Tock on you.

  79. Valentin

    First thing Mourinho will request is a new physically imposing DM.
    Mourinho is a friend with Luis Campo of Lille. If we could convince them to sell Boubakary Soumaré on the cheap. Tall (1.88m), dynamic, play on the half turn defensive midfielder who is on the free this summer and is valued at €30~40 millions which we may get at half the price. Sell Xhaka to cover the outlet.
    Straight away a lot of our problematic midfield is solved.

    Regarding Pepe, he will either energize Pepe and force him to be involved in the defensive part or he will just bench him. Either way, we have a coherent decision made.

    Ceballos is not a Mourinho type of player. He may cancel any move to make permanent the switch.

  80. CG

    Thanks The G

    What an utter travesty – we appointed this man in the first place.

    the Spiv and Clown will be discussing how to divvy out the compensation package money as we speak ( think Panama Papers)

    Is he due £12 000 000? or £6 000 000?

    I have serious doubts , if we will ever recover our self esteem and reputation as a club.

    Back on track with Jose though?

  81. Bamford10

    CG

    “Even with Jose at the helm- we ain’t getting top 4.”

    I agree that the squad is not all that great — our midfield options are weak, our central defensive options are weak — but I don’t know about this claim that we can’t finish top four even if the manager gets everything right. I think that’s going too far, not to mention that you seem to be down on some of our players simply because of their nationality or the nationality of the men who bought them in.

  82. Chris

    It is ever more likely now that Emery is on borrowed time. Is it his birthday today? Trevor Francis was sacked on his birthday!

    I would rather Benitez than Mourinho as a short term appointment.

    He would bring the defensive organisation minus the toxicity.

    I would also be happy to see the Mertesacker/Ljungberg combination until the end of the season until ten Hag was appointed if he was interested.

  83. Brooklyn

    Pierre,
    Pressuring, harassing opponents within their first touch is also physicality, workrate, covering wingbacks, pace is also physicality….All of Chelsea’s midget are better than any Arsenal midfielders bar Torreira at those tasks including winning the ball back…

  84. Bojangles

    terraloon
    November 3, 2019 10:09:12

    Agree with you on this. Our squad is not as strong as many fans convince themselves it is.

  85. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I did not suggest that Arsenal need a 6′ + player in central midfield but we do needs someone who is powerful and disciplined to play there.

    Kante may be a midget by your definition but he is nevertheless a strong and
    reasonably powerful player. He is no pushover.

  86. China1

    Look our squad has some issues but we’re only probably a quality CM and a quality CB (Saliba if we’re very lucky) away from having a really solid 3rd best squad in the league imo

    The problem is that our biggest weakness is CM but the manager only exacerbates this by putting square pegs in round holes.

    If we play 2 DMs with torreira as one of them our midfield will be 10-20% better immediately. That doesn’t mean we’ll have a top class midfield or that we won’t still make some dumb mistakes but it does mean the MF will protect the defense a bit better and the defense will be under less pressure and make fewer errors.

    It’s not rocket science that you have to have a setup that is balanced and plays to your strengths. We are not doing either of those things.

    Nobody expects the MF we have to be elite but it should be a 7/10 rather than a 4/10

  87. China1

    Our defense if well coached should be a 7/10, midfield should be a 7/10 and attack could be a 8.5

    That should be enough for us to roll over the vast majority of teams on quality alone assuming solid organization and decent game plan

  88. Uwot?

    Regrettably there is no absolute standout manager that would unite ALL our fan base at present either employed or otherwise at the moment.clearly its @ gamble as all of them have their faults & some more than others.whoever the club does eventually appoint & it will happen ,make it a short term appt .if it doesn’t show signs of improvement,move on till it does.not an ideal scenario but what’s the choice? Personally I think the club neeeds a good rogering.Brendan Rogers.

  89. Veiko

    Emery have a good squad but the the problem is the picking and the subsitute..he must drop his son Saka and Matteo Goundouzi.they are very soft..formation 4-5-1 or 3-4-3…leno,luiz,sakratis,berlin,xhaka,terrera,ceballos,ozil,pepe,Auba,laka

  90. S Asoa

    2 points out of 9, the way things are unraveling, most available Managers are better than Emery. He is confused , full of perverse logic and is fast damaging players with that.
    The more we delay ,more the damage. To save his 9 million in payouts 100% Kroenke is losing out on 40 million minimum,of Champions League.
    Arsehole !

  91. S Asoa

    ” Board gives Emery 4 matches to prove his with ”
    wtf
    It only proved AFC Board are worthless pricks. We are into this discussion only because Emery time and again has proved he has regressed the Club in most parameters except for some Bam whataboutery