Pepe debate RAGES

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‘Move bitch, get off the plane, get off the plane bitch, get off the plane’

Was humming this as an old lady struggled to pull her heavy bag out of the overhead bin. Total nightmare wait, but I was amused by the internal soundtrack to the debacle.

You know what else amuses me? Watching Arsenal fans online. What a bunch of weirdos.

I love that after 10 years of mostly arguing over a single topic, we now create our own weekly subgroups of fandoms and anti-fandoms to get our fix of viciously polarised debate.

PEPE IS GREAT BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS vs PEPE IS GERVINHO WITH BETTER HAIR, the latest great issue polluting the websites.

Am I above this charade? Absolutely not.

I find it staggering that anyone is writing him off after 7 games. Dennis Bergkamp, our greatest ever big name signing was so bad, Alan Sugar claimed he wouldn’t wash his car with his shirt and he was a waste of money (did I make up the car washing thing?).

Thierry Henry had a shaky start to his career until he fizzed a screamer from 22 yards out at The Den. Freddie Ljungberg scored on his debut against United, but be honest, he was a mess in front of goal for at least a year. Then he found magic with the maturing Dutchman mentioned above. Even Bobby Pires, an absolute dream of a player, looked well off the pace during his maiden season. He was weak, he was unsuited to the league and it was tough to work out how a 6ft+ winger was going to adapt. I remember Wenger saying he’d be like Zidane and laughing to myself very quietly (AKBs were like Corbynistas on 2019 Twitter back in the day).

Pepe, or Pete as Sky fondly nicknamed him, is 24 years old, he’s come over from a slower league, and he’s trying to adjust to a new culture and language. It is rare that a talented player settles into a bad system immediately. I do not think we have to worry just yet. He’ll find his magic eventually.

The other thing I’ve noticed that is mildly amusing is reading the safe people of the Arsenal internet present concern about Emery as a risky opinion.‘You know what, I’m going to say it, something ain’t quite right about Unai’

Well I’ll be damned. Folk that took until late 2017 to determine Wenger might not make the much promised come back to the top, have sussed the new coach might not be up to snuff and they want to project it like a first to market notion.

So many of the people we lean on in the Arsenal community for sound direction on the club are almost always entirely off base, but because they deliver a bad narrative with ‘balance,’ they’re passed off as must-read intellects that know their stuff. I call it right and even my own friends don’t let me round their houses for prematch beers. It’s a disgusting injustice.

I guess yah just have to live with it.

Someone is going to write a highly intellectualised book about Arsenal internet one day and it’ll sell bundles. When you sit down with people and talk it through, it is actually weirdly fascinating. Remember QOS in the comments here? Told people on ACLF that I was phoning her home and abusing her kids? Remember the cucks feigning concern because they were talking to an actual woman? Her husband added me on LinkedIn! Turned owut it was a man with an online alter ego (his wife’s). That’s epic. Simply magnificent. Still not sure whose kids I was talking to.

Just kidding. I knew whose kids they were.

How about Arsene Wenger? Picking up an award I’ve never heard of. Begging for a job on LinkedBeIN.com. Complaining that people had expectations of him.

“Every year people want something more from you. I experienced that at Arsenal. We were twenty consecutive years in the top four but in the end it was not enough anymore. Today if you get into the Champions League people are very happy.”

It’s sad to read. A man who was earning £190k a week, complaining about expectations. I think he’s holding out for a major job, but no one is biting. The oligarchs and sheikhs have wised up and despite his prestige as a man, he really sullied his football rep by clinging to power like a deluded despot. He should have quit in 2008, taken a New York sabbatical, toured around some modern clubs, taken notes, then rebirthed at a big club when he had some of that 2004 sheen about him.

Knowing when to exit is one of the finest qualities a man can possess.

On that fine note, I’m tapping tf out.

Why don’t we reminisce about the weirdos of Arsenal Internet today?

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  1. Marko

    His replacement has the same kind of stats than he did, so maybe Lille knew was they were doing

    His replacement is a striker so no surprising that. Technically speaking in the Lille set up Ikone is now playing on the right so a fairer comparison would be him so let’s see how he gets on this season shall we.

    FYI in 11 games this season he’s managed one goal zero assists which is worst than Pepe so far.

  2. Paulinho

    Valentin – I thought it was harsh as well until I listened to a West Brom journo/fan on the radio who said the performances were a lot worse than the results and that it was the right decision. It’s only one journo and he could’ve been talking nonsense, but I doubt many of us actually watched West Brom that often so hard to know.

  3. TR7

    I thought Djohorou had the potential to be a good defender. Kosscielney and Djohorou could work as a solid pair. Djohorou should have spent more time in training than making videos on dot com.

  4. Valentin

    John Gregory has a reputation as being arrogant. Combine his patronising attitude with his lack of talent in management and that explain why he has disappeared from the management radar. Usually you start at the bottom and make your way up before eventually going down. He started at the top with Villa and been gradually going down.

    Years ago, I was attending an Arsenal reserve game against QPR. A few rows in front of me, there was a group of obviously QPR staff talking among themselves. I think that Gregory was still in charge of QPR or has just been sacked. They spend the entire game bitching about him.

    That f*ING c*nt did that. Can you believe he then told me. F*ING idiot did that. As*hole this.

    It was more entertaining that the game.

  5. Marko

    Djourou wasn’t bad I remember one season he did well at Chelsea but ultimately like pretty much every CB we had around that time they simply weren’t good enough. We’re still having the same problems. Though we’re seemingly looking at addressing it finally with moves for Saliba and Upamecano.

  6. Valentin

    Paulinho,

    You may be right. Still he gave them a fighting chance to stay up after the Long running slow car crash that was Alan Pardew tenure.
    It is just that I remember a debate show where pundits were just surprised with the fiasco of sacking him to hire a Play-off specialist just for that specialist to change his mind and turning down the job.
    They were speculating that there must be something very wrong inside the club.

  7. Marko

    Years ago, I was attending an Arsenal reserve game against QPR. A few rows in front of me, there was a group of obviously QPR staff talking among themselves. I think that Gregory was still in charge of QPR or has just been sacked. They spend the entire game bitching about him.

    “You ever notice that the guys who do that, the Blairs, the Glasses, the Kelleys, they all start with something small, you know. Just a little quote that they clean up. And then it’s a whole anecdote. And pretty soon, they’re seeing some amazing shit. They’re the lucky ones who just happen to be standing on the right street corner in Tel Aviv when the pizza joint blows up and the human head rolls down the street with the eyes still blinking!”

    Val right place right time always

  8. Pierre

    Marc
    “Ozil can’t take set pieces or at least corners”…..yeah he is rubbish from dead ball situations isn’t he.

    I’m still waiting for someone to tell me in what area of the football pitch we have improved without Ozil …its on the football pitch that matters, all the rest is just speculation .

    Defence, midfield , offence, goals conceded , goals scored , away form , possession , better composure on the ball , more entertaining , a higher technical level, …. have we shown any improvement without Ozil …

    If the answer is yes then Emery incorrect in his assumption that he doesn’t deserve to start.

    If the answer is no then Emery is making decisions that are detrimental to the team.

  9. TR7

    Alex Song was very good in one to one situations and tackles. He could pass the ball too. The only weakness in his game was his lack of discipline but then we could have played another defensively minded central midfielder along side him. It is always ‘what could have been’ when we look back at Wenger post 2005. Some great work but there was always some piece missing from the jigsaw.

  10. Valentin

    Marko,

    Compares to Pepe Ikone plays now more centrally and act as a relay for the team. Of the 10 games he played for Lille in the league, he has played 5 as RW, 3 as CAM, 1 as 2nd Striker and one as LW.
    Not remotely comparable with Pepe.

  11. Valentin

    Marko,

    It is true that you are unlikely to hear anything from the backroom of the post-office.
    If you went out more often you would have anecdotes to relay.
    Still no answers on the questions about your attendance to games.
    Oh, I forget you spend more time criticising season ticket holder who can’t make weekday evening game than actually physically attending games.

  12. Marko

    Of the 10 games he played for Lille in the league, he has played 5 as RW, 3 as CAM, 1 as 2nd Striker and one as LW.
    Not remotely comparable with Pepe.

    Played mostly on the right and not remotely comparable to Pepe? Are you sure you should be taken seriously

  13. Pierre

    From Football fancast.com

    Dani Ceballos has created 6 chances in his last 5 games.

    Mesut Özil created 6 in 71 minutes.

    I’m taking an efficient playmaker over a hardworking “playmaker”.

  14. Marko

    It is true that you are unlikely to hear anything from the backroom of the post-office.

    That hurts. I need to attend games to be a snot nosed liar is that it. Val you’re wrong on so many levels it’s not fair on you. Quick tell us about that time you went with a kick about with Pele

  15. Valentin

    Marko,

    Is it one of your usual Clifford C. Clavin, Jr impersonation: I have an opinion despite not having a clue what you are talking about.

    Same thing with you having an opinion on Pedro’s post despite stating that you has not read it.

    Have you seen Lille play?
    Or you just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

    Ikone plays more centrally than Pepe, even when he is nominatively a right winger.

  16. Graham62

    Pierre

    From the national medical journal.

    Ozil was the cause of 250,000 headaches last month.

    I prefer an Ozil free Arsenal, rather than having him drag his ungrateful backside around the pitch week in week out.

  17. bennydevito

    Luteo GuenreiraOctober 8, 2019    18:05:17

    benny

    You’re so tribal it’s not even funny, always so ready to team up with whomever you deem to be on your side that day. You’re so all over place though I’m sure you’ll be buddying up to me some day soon too.

    Just to be clear though, I don’t call people cunts based on their opinions, I call them cunts based on the presentation of their opinions. Yamford in his insufferable stages is about as cunty with his verbiage as you can get.

    >>>>>>

    Lol! I’m actually not. I don’t take sides with anyone . If I think someone has made a good comment I’ll say so, if I think they’re talking shit I’ll say so. A lot of the time I disagree with Pierre, Un Un nai, Champagne Charlie and especially Charlie George, but occasionally those guys make points I do agree with and I’ll say as much

    Hardly the actions of somebody “tribal”.

    You made the comment that Bamford is posting cunt comments when this simply isn’t true. I read all the comments every day each night if I don’t get chance in the day and nothing Bamford has posted is a cunt comment, whereas yours very much was.

    I speak as I find so there you go. If you make a good comment that I like and I feel inclined to do so I’ll say so. Hardy tribal.

  18. Valentin

    Clifford,

    Did I hit a nerve?
    Still not answering the question. Have you seen Lille play?

    Comparing Pepe and Ikone would be akin to compare Ronaldo and Paul Scholes. They both play nominatively on the left, yet their role was completely different.

    If you can’t grasp the difference, I am not sure you can grasp the difference between Pepe and Ikone.
    Mind you, like Pedro said you don’t even understand the basic like coaching, potential, reading what the other people said before jumping in and commenting.

  19. bennydevito

    I must admit I’m finding the Ozil business hard to fathom.

    I was inclined to think that Raul was behind the exclusion of Ozil because of his wages and balancing the books but if that were true then surely Raul would have ordered Emery not to make Ozil one of the 5 captains, even if it is the last one.

    If it is just down to Emery and like Mertesacker said in his book, Ozil is a lazy bug eyed turd who can’t be bothered to train properly or even turn up, and would rather play Fortnite, then why would Emery not pick him but make him the 5th captain?

    It’s fucking weird.

    I think our midfield is definitely lacking in creativity and fluidity and as we saw in preseason Ozil was the answer to that problem and was quite good against Forest recently but then he is dropped without an explanation.

    With Lacazette’s hold up and link up play missing at the moment and Pepe struggling to adapt maybe Ozil’s skillset could be useful but Emery isn’t even giving it a chance.

    I personally feel we should ship Ozil out in the long term but at the same time I’m not tribal enough (luteo) to deny Ozil has qualities that could help us in the short term and am mystified as to what the fuck is actually going on here?

  20. Valentin

    Marko,

    Instead of doing your best attempt at obfuscation by giving the name of players you just googled, answer the simple question.
    Have you seen them play?
    In which games Ligue 1 or Champion’s League?

    In view that you named Araujo, I would say Champion’s League. Unfortunately for you in the Champion League Ikone played in the middle.

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/losc-lille_chelsea-fc/index/spielbericht/3252176

    You really are thick and ignorant.
    Ronaldo is now a forward, but when at ManUtd he was a left winger.
    Paul Scholes was never a striker. He played sometimes second striker, but mostly in midfield .

  21. Marko

    You really are thick and ignorant.
    Ronaldo is now a forward, but when at ManUtd he was a left winger.
    Paul Scholes was never a striker. He played sometimes second striker, but mostly in midfield .

    How am I thick you compared Ronaldo to Scholes? You yourself brought out a stat about Ikone playing mostly on the right so I have no idea why you’re now trying to make out differently

  22. Marko

    Also I just lost a comment so not to worry fibber Pedro is here to back you up. Love how objective this place is sometimes

  23. bennydevito

    Marko,

    For fear of being called tribal, I agree with you.

    Valentin seems to be getting awfully muddled up with your comments accusing you of saying what he’s actually said.

    That’s how I’m reading it anyway.

    As you were. (Munches the popcorn…)

  24. Champagne charlie

    Comment from Insta:

    “Q. Name one thing Emery has improved since joining Arsenal?

    A. Wenger’s reputation”

    🙂

  25. Marko

    Of the 10 games he played for Lille in the league, he has played 5 as RW, 3 as CAM, 1 as 2nd Striker and one as LW.

    Okay

    Not remotely comparable with Pepe.
    Ikone plays more centrally than Pepe, even when he is nominatively a right winger.

    ?

    Comparing Pepe and Ikone would be akin to compare Ronaldo and Paul Scholes.

    ??

    They both play nominatively on the left, yet their role was completely different.

    ???

  26. Marko

    Valentin seems to be getting awfully muddled up with your comments accusing you of saying what he’s actually said.

    Benny he’s all over the place when asked to say something truthful.

  27. Valentin

    Marko,

    How to shift the goalpost because you suddenly realised that you made a fool of yourself.

    I was trying to explain to you that comparing Pepe and Ikone was akin to compare Ronaldo and Paul Scholes. But you are accusing me of comparing Ronaldo and Paul Scholes!??

    Like I said Ikone is more similar in his play to Paul Scholes. At Lille Pepe was more similar to ManUtd Ronaldo. Hope that you brain can process that.

    BTW, nice try googling the name of Lille players. But still no answer to the question. Sorry no need to answer the question , it would be too embarrassing.
    Let me explain to you.
    You have seen them play and then you are an idiot for not noticing where Ikone played.
    You have not seen them play and then you are still an idiot for arguing a point you have no knowledge of.

  28. Marko

    But you are accusing me of comparing Ronaldo and Paul Scholes!??

    “Ronaldo is now a forward, but when at ManUtd he was a left winger.
    Paul Scholes was never a striker. He played sometimes second striker, but mostly in midfield .”

    I know incredible right.

    Like I said Ikone is more similar in his play to Paul Scholes.

    Are you for real? Honest question are you for real? You that’s YOU ya idiot yourself said that Ikone predominantly played this season RW. I’m not even going to comment on you now comparing Ikone to a CM like Scholes.

    You’re confusing yourself at this point.

  29. bennydevito

    If Ozil could get back to this sort of levels I’d buy the new home shirt with his name on. Those days seem long gone unfortunately.

  30. bennydevito

    Champagne charlieOctober 8, 2019    21:03:46

    Comment from Insta:

    “Q. Name one thing Emery has improved since joining Arsenal?

    A. Wenger’s reputation”

    >>>>>>

    Lol! That’s a good stretch.

    The simple answer of course would have been last season’s league position.

  31. Leedsgunner

    Benny

    That game for me is tinged with regret because I think it was the last game Santi played for us.

    Santi Cazorla, what a player he was for us…I genuinely wish him the best!

    Congrats Santi for being called up to Spain!

  32. Valentin

    Marko,

    YOU ya idiot yourself said that Ikone predominantly played this season RW. I’m not even going to comment on you now comparing Ikone to a CM like Scholes.

    Again how to fake outrage when you can’t grasp basic facts.
    In the league Ikone played 5 games out of 10 on the right. However even during those games he was drifting more centrally.
    In all competitions 12 game Lille played, Ikone played 5 (3 league + 2 CL) games a CAM, 5 as RW, 1 as LW, 1 as second striker. So overall he has predominantly play in the center. Like a CM.
    Like Paul Scholes. How extraordinary?
    It ‘s like I know where he played because I have watched him play.

    You should try …

  33. Marko

    Ikone played 5 (3 league + 2 CL) games a CAM, 5 as RW, 1 as LW, 1 as second striker. So overall he has predominantly play in the center. Like a CM.
    Like Paul Scholes. How extraordinary?

    First off even if you weren’t changing the goalposts as per usual how can playing CAM 5 times and playing RW 5 times then be predominantly CAM? It’s the same literally according to you. And secondly a CM and a CAM aren’t the same. In fact I’ll be honest with you I have no idea why you brought up Paul Scholes out of the blue to back up what you’re lying about because it doesn’t. At all.

    It ‘s like I know where he played because I have watched him play.

    Doesn’t sound like it.

  34. Carts

    Benny

    Ozil had accountants and surgeons skidding out of frame. I’m sorry but as a meme/gif it’s the shit. But in context that piece of skill isn’t anything to write home about.

  35. Dissenter

    Mustafi is not the second worst defender in the world.
    The methodology of that poll is suspect. He’s no worse than Sokratis. He should take solace in the fact that he wasn’t voted the worst defender in the world.

  36. salpardisenyc

    Agree with Leeds, the Ozil freeze out is strange. One can only assume its highly motivated to move him out.

    Pretty clear the Emery – Ozil relationship was fractured beyond repair last season, yet he continued into this season. Named one of the five captains by player vote, which indicates a few rate having him around.

    On playing front apparently Ozil has created more chances than any other player during Emery’s time with club. Surely that contribution would merit a place on the bench vs Bournemouth at home? That said he’s never really looked settled in an Emery side, always swimming against flow. Which made me think, have any of Emery’s mid fields flowed? No, they really haven’t.

    Bizarrely could roll back to Le Grove this time last year and same debate was raging. Not saying Ozil is the answer but he can certainly be utilized whilst at club, as it stands we have an under utilized attack that has potential to be deadly.

  37. WengerEagle

    Leeds

    Absolutely phenomenal resurgence from Santi, he was close to having his foot amputated only a couple of years ago.

    He’s genuinely playing some of the best football of his career for Villarreal at the moment and he’s close to 35. Really happy for him, top bloke that always played with a smile on his face and was technically one of our best ever players.

  38. Dissenter

    Sal
    Have you considered the possibility that Ozil may not be up for it?
    We are privy to what’s happening behind the curtain, for all you know Ozil may not be training well.
    Emery has cover so long as his team keeps grinding out just-enough results that keep Arsenal in a decent place on the table.

  39. Carts

    I’m putting it out: I think Pepe will come good.

    It’s madness to cast judgement on him so soon. There’s no doubt in my mind that he has a bit about him and he must be allowed to come good.

    One thing that fucks me off is his over-dependance on using his left peg. It’s from the school of Arjen Robben, ffs.

  40. WengerEagle

    I know that it’s early days still so hard to say as of yet but would people be happy if we were to spend 40-50m to make Ceballos a permanent signing at the end of the season?

    He started brightly but has looked a little out of sorts of late. Technically a very good and composed player but he’s one of those weird ones that doesn’t really have a concrete position.

    Not creative or penetrative enough to play in the final third, more of a B2B than a CDM obviously but he’s fairly cumbersome in his movements, not exactly a fluid runner which is important for a B2B.

  41. Dissenter

    Ozil’s role is also redundant because he does not typically operate from he middle, he;likes to drift to the wings.
    Problem is we have a glut of players who are more direct runners vying to get minutes now.

  42. Marko

    Seems people still don’t realize that the only way to get rid of him is by not playing him. Strange people are calling for him to come back considering his decline and how he continues with the sickies. Remember it was one game into the new season before he was out with “illness” again

  43. Leedsgunner

    Wenger Eagle

    “Absolutely phenomenal resurgence from Santi, he was close to having his foot amputated only a couple of years ago.”

    Oh yeah, I forgotten about that… insane how he resurrected his career to finish his career on his terms. Good for him. Mental strength? Yeah you could say that.

    Shame he didn’t stick around… just imagine if we had him in this side… playing like he is now. Hands down, no contest for Captain!

    *SIGH*

  44. Carts

    WE

    Santi’s new lease of life is a joy to behold.

    Sadly I don’t think Arsenal would’ve managed his physicality as well as Villareal have.

  45. WengerEagle

    Carts

    Always intrigued me why lefty’s are mostly over-reliant on their strong foot. Quite rare for an ambidextrous player like a Pedro, Perisic, Santi Cazorla, Ousmane Dembele to be naturally left footed.

    And then you have Robben, James Rodriguez, Pepe, Adriano, Podolski, Wilshere, Griezmann, Ozil, Di Maria that can barely stand on their right peg let alone put their foot through the ball and hit it in any anger.

    Even Messi isn’t particularly good with his right foot albeit he scores some lovely dinks/close range finishes with it. Don’t ever recall him smashing one in with his right peg from distance mind.

  46. Carts

    I think Cebellos is a good player.

    Personally, what I’ve seen from Willock is enough for me to rather him that Cebellos.

  47. WengerEagle

    Leeds

    I’ll be the first to admit that I wanted Santi moved on as I thought that he was finished post-injury. Only recall Champagne Charlie making the case to keep and use him.

    Definitely did not see this level of performance coming, Villarreal are a really good side and he’s at the heart of it in CM.

  48. salpardisenyc

    Dissenter

    Of course its quite possible Ozil isn’t up for it, then why as many others have asked is he still here captaining the side a couple weeks back if the idea was total and complete freeze out. Raul seems far too ruthless to put anyone in that situation.

    I was good with him going this summer and club rebuilding, Willock a great place to start, yet here we are.

  49. Un na naai

    ValentinOctober 8, 2019 20:11:19
    Marko,It is true that you are unlikely to hear anything from the backroom of the post-office.
    If you went out more often you would have anecdotes to relay.
    Still no answers on the questions about your attendance to games.

    Val
    Marko has NEVER been to see arsenal. He’s a tosser. Couldn’t really give a shot about the club. The only thing that drives him is his hatred for wenger.

  50. Marko

    The signing of Ceballos and the introduction of the likes of Saka, Nelson, Martinelli and Willock means that we literally don’t need Ozil this season. The only ones asking for him seem to be fanboys who can’t move on and the lads who keep bringing him up as a means to criticize the manager. Like I said earlier plenty of things to criticize the manager for and rightly so but on Ozil he’s right in that regard and should be backed up.

  51. WengerEagle

    Yeah Carts, Villarreal definitely suits him better as he has runners/protectors alongside him in Anguissa and Iborra. He’s the brain and allowed to pull the strings in there with some freedom to roam forward and neglect a bit of the defensive work.

    Aging like wine. Opposite to Cesc who’s aged horribly past 30.

  52. WengerEagle

    To be fair to Cesc though he was playing first team top level PL football at literally 17 though, as a starter. Like Rooney, his body was always bound to break down earlier than most of his peers.

    Look at the state of Wesley Sneijder, he’s the same age as Santi Cazorla.

  53. salpardisenyc

    “Look at the state of Wesley Sneijder, he’s the same age as Santi Cazorla”

    Really impressive decline, dude looks like he’s coming off a decade long bender and not stopping.

  54. Graham62

    Santi is back home.

    That makes a huge difference when trying to resurrect your career.

    Wish him the best of luck.

    Super player.

    Super guy.

  55. WengerEagle

    It’s sad man, only seems like yesterday that the new kids on the block in Van Persie, Van Der Vaart, Sneijder and Robben were all coming up to form a Dutch superteam. Very nearly won the World Cup on two occasions to be fair.

    Now all four are retired with Robben sporting less hair than Homer Simpson, RVP rivaling Matt LeBlanc in a grey-off, Sneijder with a beer belly that would have Steve Bruce feeling notably slimmer and Van Der Vaart taking on a fate much bleaker than weight-gain/hairloss- a darts career which will result in a home run fr all of the above.

    At least we still have the evergreen Zlatan eh, literally will be destroying MLS defences in his 40s.

  56. Bamford10

    Ozil is dead as a footballer and has been for some time. To suggest that he is a solution to any of the problems we have in the PL is laughable.

    Further, it’s fairly obvious that Ozil must have done something recently to rupture his relationship with Emery or to lose Emery’s trust. Emery has been plenty willing to give Ozil opportunities to play and to prove his worth, and yet when he was asked why Ozil was not in the squad for Standard Liege, he said: “When I decided he shouldn’t be in the squad, it’s because I think other players deserved it more.”

    “Deserved” is the key word there. For Emery to say that, Ozil had to have done something in training (or elsewhere) which meant that he no longer deserved to be in the squad. That suggests something serious, that suggests a break of some kind.

    Emery is not doing this for no reason, and he wouldn’t have done it without conferring with Freddie and Raul. People here talking like Emery is out on his own on this or that he is doing this simply because he isn’t a huge fan of Ozil’s are talking nonsense. Ozil has likely played the part of the mouthy and pouty twat, just as he has done many times in the past, like when he refused to acknowledge the away fans and Mertesacker was furious with him for days.

    Talking about Ozil is beyond pointless. The club has moved on.

  57. Bamford10

    Cheers, Benny. Don’t worry about my foul-mouthed haters. They don’t have any arguments, so they hurl insults. That’s all they have.

  58. salpardisenyc

    Darts?

    Had no idea how dire it could get, Tottenham really was his level. That sexy wife certainly one foot out the door.

  59. Dissenter

    I don’t think Madrid will want Ceballos back. Odengaard is pulling up mahogany trees already.
    I can see paying a lot for Pogba and selling Ceballos to partly fund it.

  60. Marko

    Forget Ozil get behind Ceballos and Willock instead and potentially Szoboszlai who we’re apparently tracking on a near weekly basis.

  61. bennydevito

    Those Extin Rebellion idiots are getting right on my tits. Why don’t they go and protest outside the Chinese Embassy or even in China ffs!

  62. Dissenter

    Just watching Ceballos hustle to get the ball back tells you why Ozil isn’t getting a look-in.
    Some players buckle up and start competing…I doubt Ozil even cares enough these days.

  63. Pierre

    Bamford

    You seem to be spending a lot of time trolling ..with Ozil the main subject .

    It’s all opinions.as to whether or not Arsenal are a better team with or without him but, as yet , you or any of the other ozil obsessives have not come up with one aspect of our game that have improved with Ozil out of the side.

    Attack…no
    Creativity…no
    Midfield …no
    Defence .. no
    Away form …no
    Discipline…no
    Possession…no.
    Composure…no.
    more exciting to watch …no
    Intelligent…no.

    Give me one , just one part of our game thats improved without Ozil In the side.

    It’s all about what happens on the football pitch ,not off it .

  64. Pierre

    Let me help

    How about pressing the ball , though we haven’t seen a lot of the high intensity, pressing game in the premier league this season , have we , so I’m not sure that can be counted as an improvement.

  65. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Making reasonable points is not trolling. Trolling is what you have been doing on Le Grove for a couple of years now. At one point, you actually explicitly acknowledged that that is what you are up to here.

    The topic above was Ozil. I made a reasonable point about Ozil. That’s not trolling. Trolling is what you do.

  66. Un na naai

    Ceballos is a not what arsenal need
    Not in the same class as Santi, Wilshere and ozil creatively.

    We won’t sign him permanently

  67. Luteo Guenreira

    benny

    If you make a good comment that I like and I feel inclined to do so I’ll say so.

    If you read my comment this is exactly what I’d said you’d do. I don’t think you’re a bad sort just all over the place. You can pull me up all you want, don’t mind it. Same as you, when people say outlandish things outside of their station I’ll comment on it. Perception changes the subject matter is the only difference.

    If you wanna know the truth though, the thing I find most offensive about Bamford is that he’s such a shitty writer whilst being an English teacher. Unreadable. It says everything you need to know about him in my opinion.

    I’m being facetious most of the time anyway, if it doesn’t land so be it.

  68. Champagne charlie

    “I know that it’s early days still so hard to say as of yet but would people be happy if we were to spend 40-50m to make Ceballos a permanent signing at the end of the season?“

    I asked similar the other day, for that cash he doesn’t justify it imo. Too slow, not electric or clever enough, tidy player with occasional class is where he seems headed. Dubbed him diet Cazorla and stick to it.

    Would’ve preferred us to have signed Fekir in hindsight, and if were quoted 40-50mil this summer I’d say cheers and go Grealish.

  69. Champagne charlie

    Weagle

    Ask Dissenter how Cazorla is getting on, I’m sure he used his every mention last season as reason to dismiss his form and claim if he was any good Villarreal wouldn’t be in a lowly league position.

    He updated his view since at all? Been a bit quiet that end…

  70. Marko

    If it was 30-35 million odd I’d sign him. Plenty of managers would love to have him and play him in their midfield. Problem becomes what would Madrid ask for and it’s very possible that the next manager might prefer to spend that money on someone else but I’d be surprised if whoever the next manager is that he wouldn’t want it to be a permanent signing. Despite him not being Santi Cazorla. Apparently that’s how we’re judging our prospective CM signings from now on.

  71. bennydevito

    Luteo GuenreiraOctober 8, 2019    23:33:16

    benny

    If you make a good comment that I like and I feel inclined to do so I’ll say so.

    If you read my comment this is exactly what I’d said you’d do. I don’t think you’re a bad sort just all over the place. You can pull me up all you want, don’t mind it. Same as you, when people say outlandish things outside of their station I’ll comment on it. Perception changes the subject matter is the only difference.

    If you wanna know the truth though, the thing I find most offensive about Bamford is that he’s such a shitty writer whilst being an English teacher. Unreadable. It says everything you need to know about him in my opinion.

    I’m being facetious most of the time anyway, if it doesn’t land so be it.

    >>>>>>

    Luteo,

    Yes I read your post and know what you said and said what I said precisely to prove how I’m not tribal.

    I don’t take sides, I take each comment in isolation and comment my opinion on that. Why does that make me all over the place? Are you saying I have to choose a point of view and only side with people who share that same point of view?

    That’s not how I roll man.

  72. Un na naai

    Ceballos is exactly what I said he was in the summer
    Tidy. Keeps possession. Nothing more
    Cazorla lite? More like Arteta lite.

    We won’t make the signing permanent in the summer when emery leaves.

  73. bennydevito

    And I don’t Bamford writes poorly either, his comments are very easy to read. Nit sure I get where you’re coming from tbh and this isn’t an English exam.

    But, if you feel that way then who am I to deny your sense of perception and point of view and say you’re wrong?

    As you were.

  74. bennydevito

    Fuck me the typos, good job it’s not an English exam! 🤣

    *And I DON’T think Bamford writes poorly…
    *NOT sure I get…

  75. salparadisenyc

    Who ever Emery fields in the business end of that MF, they need to create chances for me the future is Willock.

    A mid field three of Willock, Guendouzi and Partey would work but I don’t see us getting that over the line.

  76. Un na naai

    Looks like we are leaving the Eu without a deal
    Blinding.
    Next up is a points based immigration system. Woohoo.

  77. Luteo Guenreira

    benny

    It’s arguing semantics at this point, innit? I said you’re tribal for exactly those reasons, quick to form sides depending on the topic at hand. If not, then fine.
    But I’ve seen you make comments complete opposite of Pedro the day before, then effusively praise how much you agree with everything he’s said in his post the next. You’ve praised Emery than signed off with Emery Out at least once. That’s where the all over the place bit comes from.

    Anyway. Are you done standing up for Yamford now or can we move on?

  78. azed

    As far as the EPL is concerned, Emery is going the Liverpool route with the CM’s and the fullbacks being our major attack route.
    The problem with this, is Xhaka. You need 3 mobile midfielders who can run for 90 mins and neither Xhaka nor Torriera are really it.

  79. China1

    Re ceballos he still has a lot of work to do.

    His debut was incredible and just what we need though that was his best performance so far.

    B2b is probably good for him but we can’t drop guen on recent form yet guen also needs supplementing with a dedicated DM (torreira)

    The easiest thing for everyone would be if he can make the n10 position his own but he hasn’t done enough to cement that yet

  80. Valentin

    Azed,

    I would say that the problem is more than just the midfield.
    Yes we need 3 mobile dynamic midfielders who can run for 90 minutes and we have only two young inexperienced players who fit the criteria: Guendouzi and Willock. That’s why I was advocating this summer that we should go for Tanguy NDbombele rather than Pepe. That trio would have been our midfield for years to come.

    However we also have a problem in attack. The reason why Liverpool recover the ball so often is because they have a front three that work incredibly hard to put pressure on the opposition when they have the ball.

    Lacazette has that bite and energy to hassle the opposition , but both Pepe and Aubameyang style is much more languid. They can do that harassment job for a while, but neither can’t sustain it for a full game. Against Bournemouth after 30 minutes the intensity just dropped.

    Martinelli is one of the few players who would fit that all action ethos. So Emery will have to make a choice.
    Does he go for full action and then has to drop both Aubameyang and Pepe?
    Or does he lower his intensity demand and play Aubameyang?
    Knowing full well that going full action mode may take time to bear fruits and dropping Aubameyang will cost points. Emery most likely decision will be to keep Aubameyang and we will continue to have mixed confused tactics except for Europa League game where he will have the luxury of going full action mode.

  81. Champagne charlie

    “As far as the EPL is concerned, Emery is going the Liverpool route with the CM’s and the fullbacks being our major attack route.“

    Liverpool don’t attack centrally, and certainly not from CM.

    Emery is also not doing anything resembling a Liverpool route.

  82. Wenker-wanger

    If you’re reading Pedro, I have to say as much as I disagree with your view in emery, your blog is a superb piece of work…always interesting and thought provoking.
    Pepe?
    I stand more on the side that he appears to be predominately not fit for premier league purpose….a gervinho with turbo and the one foot only drawback adds to my concern.
    But yeah let’s see…I hope he breaks through….none of us knows his capability in the red shirt yet.
    We know so far he hasn’t impacted games and that’s the fact we all agree on.

  83. Mysticleaves

    Just popping in and out but off topic a bit..I saw in the previous post that Receeding hairline and Charlie made up. That’s seismic!!

    I also saw that Pedro was asking for the reintroduction of Mesut Ozil. That’s nostalgia.

    I too was like that till I heard Mertasacker talk. Think we need to give props to Emery for calling his BS out and to the suits for supporting him. Someone that doesn’t train as well as others shouldn’t be given any game time at all. It’s disrespectful to other teammates and sets a bad example to the youth coming up. Not like he’s on some Messi goals and assists anyway. I hope he never plays for Arsenal again.

  84. azed

    CC

    Liverpool play three CM’s who are the work house of the team and use the fullbacks for the majority of their attacks.

  85. azed

    Valentin

    Until we bought Pepe, most of us thought Ndombele was out of our price range. For now, we will not know how Pepe came into the picture as Zaha was who all reports suggested we were talking.

    As for the midfield, you’ll see I said Xhaka and Torreira are not fit for that purpose and I wanted both Xhaka and Torreira gone in the summer. My replacement would have been Darcoure and an unknown player like Guendozi.
    While Ceballos has been ok, I would not sign him right now as he’s doesn’t have the pace to cope in a 4-3-3 in the EPL.

    As for the attack, Emery is most likey screwed whichever way his goes.
    Lacazette has to play so also does Aubameyang.
    Aubameyang is the better scorer but has a non existent link up play / hustling spirit.

    If you were to play Aubameyang on the wings, he plays better on the right and that’s the same place our record signing plays and Emery has to find a way to get him going.

    Even though Martinelli and Saka have done well, I still think they should be handled with care.

    Last season, I gave Emery the benefit of the doubt but this season he has a way better squad and anything less than 3rd would be underwhelming to me.

  86. Tony

    CL qualifying looks like it’s going to get tougher:

    “Premier League clubs face LOSING a Champions League place and over £25m of guaranteed payments under a proposal to revamp European football”

    “The European League Association has tabled new Champions League proposals”

    “The four Premier League clubs in this season’s tournament are set to earn £89m”

    “The ELA wants money dished out to teams according to current performance”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7550817/Premier-League-clubs-face-LOSING-Champions-League-place-25m-guaranteed-payments.html

  87. Sid

    “Ceballos is a not what arsenal need
    Not in the same class as Santi, ”
    If we are buying players we should get better than the academy is producing, ceballos is at the level of willock ESR.
    Small players like ceballos need to be exceptional. There are physical specimens with the skillset of ceballos that would be preferable.

  88. Un na naai

    azedOctober 9, 2019 00:30:58
    As far as the EPL is concerned, Emery is going the Liverpool route with the CM’s and the fullbacks being our major attack route.
    The problem with this, is Xhaka. You need 3 mobile midfielders who can run for 90 mins and neither Xhaka nor Torriera are really it.

    Azed
    No
    The problem is that emery is pushing two central midfielders wide to protect full backs and leaving xakha exposed. The last cm any rational coach would want alone in dove guarding the central defence.

  89. Un na naai

    Sid

    Agree. Again it’s his first season in prem and is being misused in a dysfunctional midfield by a confused manager so I’d be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now

  90. Bojangles

    You’re having a laugh, right Pedro?

    Someone posts stats from Arseblog supposedly showing Emery in a bad light… No problem.

    I post figures adding context showing we are not as badly off as other teams around us and you delete it.

    No agenda therethen.

    Mind you this may not see the light of day either.

  91. Northbanker

    Wow AC Milan have sacked their manager after 3 1/2 months of under-performance. That means Gazidis has learnt how not to take 10 years to make a decision!

  92. Northbanker

    Sid

    I agree -after the Burnley match i thought he was incredible but since then he has looked on the whole quite ordinary. I’m happy to see how the season unfolds but I don’t see he will offer anything we can’t get from Willock and hopefully ESR.

    If we’re not going to utilise Torreira properly then the priority must be to but a powerful DM above every other position inc probably CB (subject to progress of Holding and Saliba)

  93. bennydevito

    Luteo,

    You obviously don’t know what tribal means. If I were tribal I’d pick a side and stick to it.

    Pedro said one point that I didn’t agree with, can’t remember what, then he did a podcast that I did agree with that was separate from the point I didn’t agree with on a previous post.

    Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

    I wasn’t sticking up for Bamford for tribal sake, I merely didn’t agree with your assertion of him; your accusation didn’t hold water because it simply wasn’t true.

    I’m traditionally a Labour supporter but won’t vote Labour now as long as Corbyn is the leader, whereas others will always vote Labour regardless because they always have. They refuse to change their viewpoints dynamically with the changing policies. That’s tribal.

  94. Leedsgunner

    Jay @ 0520

    Thanks for the video. This present side doesn’t have the mental calmness nor the technical discipline to do that right now. Every pass has to be on point, and if they lose possession everyone has to be committed to the press to retrieve the ball. We’re definitely not there now… and I don’t know if we ever will be be with Emery, unfortunately.

    Shame that we didn’t plump for Conte when he fell out with Chelsea.

  95. Un na naai

    I’m traditionally a Labour supporter but won’t vote Labour now as long as Corbyn is the leader, whereas others will always vote Labour regardless because they always have. They refuse to change their viewpoints dynamically with the changing policies. That’s tribal.

    Benny

    Labour are losing their core vote over brexit. They’ve showed their true selves and now the working class north are abandoning them.
    That’s why they are desperate for open borders as that’s their new core voting base.

    I know I know you’re very keen on helping the Syrians and to be fair ive not got much of an issue there providing it’s not single men and REAL children are front of the queue

  96. raptora

    Conte was my first choice. Still gutted we didn’t poach him.

    He would have 100% joined us right on the spot. He’s elite in my eyes where there aren’t many elite coaches around. And he already knew the Premier League, the language, the London life… He would have given us the so needed discipline but with simplicity instead of asking the players to do too much that they are uncomfortable with.

    I also feel like he would have had a much better relationship with Raul than he had with Granovskaia. It felt like that was the core problem that brought to an end his Chelsea tenure. Because at Chelsea he had 0 say in transfer ins and transfers out, where at Arsenal although the final word is Raul’s I think the whole process is a quite a bit more democratic. At Chelsea the coach would get 0% power on the transfers, where at Arsenal Emery’s opinion or w/e is in charge still matters in the positions we want to get new players in, the positions where we could sell, the players we could target, the players we want to get rid of. There is Raul, there is Edu, there is Vinai, there is Emery.

    First thing Conte would have brought though would have been the desire to concede less goals. He would have probably insisted on bringing new defenders and selling the ones he didn’t approve of. He wouldn’t have played Xhaka – Kante played his best football during his tenure. And he would have ultimately lowered the amount of goals conceded. Which is the first step we want to see in our team.

    With the forward force we have, if we stop conceding as much we would manage to score just through the talent of our attacking players. At the moment we are as laughable as we were under Wenger in defence, and impotent in creating good chances.

  97. Receding Hairline

    How anyone read what Metersacker had to say on Ozil just a few weeks ago and still concludes Ozil deserves to just walk into the squad is weird.

    Valentin many on here have figured you out already, your last “inside info” on Xhaka not being liked behind the scenes just a few days before he was made captain was the last straw.

  98. Un na naai

    In light of our recent failure to provide service to the forwards if he willing to give ozil some game time
    It’s got that dire

    Pierre was right. He will outlive emery

  99. Graham62

    Un na naai

    “He will outlive Emery”

    You’re probably right but only because he’s carrying far more luggage.

    Whatever, Ozil still doesn’t deserve a place in the Arsenal team.

  100. Valentin

    In Italy The requirement to get an headcoach certification are a lot more stringent regarding tactical analysis than in most European country. Until very recently there was no man management module in the Italian certification.
    England has a reputation as being very easy and too chummy with former professional to be of real use. So a lot of players choose to their coaching badge with the Welsh FA. Their documentation is better.
    That explain why Italian managers find it easier tactically to adapt to English football, but often struggle with the man management and human touch side.
    Conte would definitely have improved us defensively. One thing that Jay @ 05:20 shows is that you need to relentlessly train players for some specific situation. Unless your players have Messi level of dribbling ability, you can’t escape pressure like that just with off-the-cuff movements.

    The fact that Emery stopped the in situation game against the U21 replicating the opposition is a shame. The more he starts to behave like latter days Wenger. Abandon what made his initial success. Decide to stick with unsuited players out of sheer stubbornness (Denilson, Almunia, …). Name inappropriate captain (Gallas). Continue to blab about beautiful football when the quality is falling before our eyes.

  101. Graham62

    You don’t need Mertesacker to say things about Ozil to conclude that he is no longer fit for purpose.

    The negatives of having him in the team far outweigh the positives or, should I say, positive.

    You’d have to be ignorant and blind to think otherwise.

  102. Valentin

    Receding,

    Back to your usual mean girl act. Does throwing some snarky comment on your way to work and back from work is part of your daily routine.

    I know that it is difficult to understand but there is massive difference between liking somebody and respecting what that person can do as Captain.
    Roy Keane at ManUtd was not universally loved by his teammates, but they respected what he brought to the role.
    Only two players had publicly declare an interest in the captaincy. Holding and Xhaka. Holding does not have yet the credibility to be Arsenal captain.
    I would also like to know the exact number of votes everybody received. Because if Xhaka is captain because he received 5 votes out of a squad of 30 and the other vice captains 4 votes each it is hardly an endorsement of him. Just confirmation that this team has no natural leader inside.

  103. Graham62

    International breaks are tedious but no where near as tedious as they used to be.

    At least the England players want to play for Southgate and visibly enjoy the system and structure created by a top manager/coach.

    Watching England play these days is an enjoyable experience and not like watching paint dry.

  104. HighburyLegend

    “Hello, Shorty. What are you doing?”
    “Nothin. Just watching the game. Smokin some bud
    …. and want Xhaka Out.”

  105. Wenker-wanger

    Emerys position on ozil is perfect. Playing him would disrupt an evolving mix of potentially very good team players.
    He has nuts, despite the negativity on here with the xhaka thing.

  106. HighburyLegend

    “He has nuts”

    ==> “Ok guys, you will vote to name your Captain, I have other things more important to do.”

  107. Wenker-wanger

    Yeah balls..nuts cojones…..Wenger pandered to the Ponce’s he favoured…Emery doesn’t seem to go on reputation,wage,expired form.
    Strange how even the slightest compliment to emery brings out the knee-jeck shallow thinking response.
    As you get older you learn balance….not everything is BLACK AND WHITE……..life is full of grey area possibilities and philosophical judgements.
    Football is an absolute universe full of opinion…and it’s great as it is….people just need to “hone” their statements…..take out the pre-judgemental stuff.
    We are slowly building a team at arsenal….the defense was a Wenger built nightmare…I think emery has had a lot to do….let’s wait till he gets bellerin Tierney Holding and a.n.othervplaying..

  108. Bamford10

    Wasi

    I have done some re-watching of Pepe and I agree that he is a better dribbler than I gave him credit for and that he is better in close spaces than I gave him credit for. Whatever limitations we’ve seen in him so far, let’s hope he comes good.

  109. Pierre

    To me, it’s all about seeing improvement in the team.
    If leaving a player out of the team doesn’t improve any aspects of our play , then I will question the decision , whoever the player is .

    Which aspect of our play has improved by leaving out of the side….

    Attack…no
    Creativity…no
    Midfield …no
    Defence .. no
    Away form …no
    Discipline…no
    Possession…no.
    Composure…no.
    more exciting to watch …no
    Intelligent…no.

    The only thing we truly know about is what happens on the pitch, the rest is just speculation.

    It has been noted that since Emery arrived at the club ,Ozil has created more chances than any other player despite never being a regular starter.

    It has been noted that Ceballos ( who I like) has created 5 chances in his last 6 games whereas ozil created 6 chances in 71 minutes in his last game and hasn’t been named in a squad since , despite being fit.

    Many complain about the team lacking creativity , lacking intelligence, lacking composure , ozil gives you all of these .

    What he doesn’t give you is intensity but then neither does Xhaka, Aubameyang and Pepe, and the sooner fans realise that we will never be a high intensity team because we don’t have the personnel, the better.

  110. Graham62

    Emerys only mistake with Ozil was giving him the opportunity to display his disdain and disrespect by allowing him onto the field of play and to wear the captains armband.

    A bad decision.

  111. Graham62

    Pierre

    The day Ozil slouched off the pitch and blanked his own teammate on the touchline was the day he was finished as far as I was concerned.

    Love him, obsess about him, yearn for him, it makes no difference.

    He is finished as far as the vast majority(all) supporters are concerned.

  112. Dissenter

    It doesn’t take that much nuts to do the right thing about Ozil.
    His situation is obvious to everyone not self described as ‘Pierre’.

  113. Pierre

    Graham
    Slouching off the pitch as you put it , is irrelevant.

    It’s what happens ON the pitch that matters.

    How have we improved without Ozil in the side…..give me one area that we have improved…just one.

  114. Bamford10

    Pierre

    No offense, but most of those vague categories are meaningless and your assessments of them are equally so.

    We have played excellent, flowing football in the Europa League and we have done so without Mesut Ozil.

    If we are not creating enough chances in the PL at the moment, this situation will surely be improved when Tierney and Bellerin are incorporated into the XI, as both provide overlapping runs and attack down the wings.

    Liverpool play without a creative attacking central midfielder, so there is no reason to believe that Arsenal must have an Ozil in the side. And even if one thinks we need a creative attacking midfielder in the XI, we have Ceballos and he is a better option at this time than Ozil.

    As for discipline, pressing and team shape, this is clearly improving, as was obvious from the first half against Bournemouth and in other matches. If Ozil brought the energy, work-rate and enthusiasm a Ceballos or Guendouzi brings to the team, he’d be a good option. But he doesn’t, so he isn’t.

    What else? Oh right: Ozil has been a listless, anemic and ineffectual player for a long time now. It is time for you to move on.

  115. UTarse

    “To me, it’s all about seeing improvement in the team.”

    To you it’s all about your agenda of utter bullshit.

  116. Pierre

    Graham
    “He is finished as far as the vast majority(all) supporters are concerned.”

    There is already a ground swell of opinion amongst fans that are finding Emery’s treatment of Ozil confusing and disturbing.

  117. Dark Hei

    Pierre

    I think it is pointless to ask Emery to play Ozil.

    It is like trying to cook Thai food with yogurt. Mix them together if you are suffering from constipation.

  118. Bamford10

    To add to what I said above, our chance creation will improve not only with the addition of Tierney and Bellerin to the XI but also as the first XI players grow more comfortable in their roles and with one another. This is all still relatively new, and many of these players are still relatively new (to one another, to the XI, to the system).

  119. Pierre

    Dark Hei.
    I know he wont play him but until I see onfield improvement, then I will question the decision, as all fans should do.

  120. Dark Hei

    Pierre

    Even if Emery plays Ozil, there will be no improvement because his style of football is unsuited to Ozil. (I think it is unsuited to quite a big chunk of the team tbh).

    The Arsenal in Europa League is a different story. But in that scenario, I would rather give the experience to the younglings.

  121. Pierre

    I will be more than happy to see Ozil marginalised if the team shows improvement the manager tried it last season and it didn’t work and so far it’s not working this season .

    It’s all about the team , not individual players.

  122. Champagne charlie

    “No offense, but most of those vague categories are meaningless and your assessments of them are equally so.“

    Continuing the trend of deciding whose opinions matter discussing football. Still unrivalled levels of ignorance.

    “Anyone who doesn’t see how our pressing and team shape have improved isn’t watching carefully enough.”

    Improved so much that our defence is an abomination, the one thing inextricably linked to good pressing and team shape. So which is the lie? That our defence is wank, or the claim we’re a better pressing outfit with a better shape. Tough one..

  123. Un na naai

    Anyone who doesn’t see how our pressing and team shape have improved isn’t watching carefully enough.

    Bamford
    Since when? Two weeks ago? Did you not watch us vs Watford? Have a little sit down Will ya

  124. Un na naai

    Improved so much that our defence is an abomination, the one thing inextricably linked to good pressing and team shape. So which is the lie? That our defence is wank, or the claim we’re a better pressing outfit with a better shape. Tough one..

    Cc
    Exactly