Pepe debate RAGES

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‘Move bitch, get off the plane, get off the plane bitch, get off the plane’

Was humming this as an old lady struggled to pull her heavy bag out of the overhead bin. Total nightmare wait, but I was amused by the internal soundtrack to the debacle.

You know what else amuses me? Watching Arsenal fans online. What a bunch of weirdos.

I love that after 10 years of mostly arguing over a single topic, we now create our own weekly subgroups of fandoms and anti-fandoms to get our fix of viciously polarised debate.

PEPE IS GREAT BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS vs PEPE IS GERVINHO WITH BETTER HAIR, the latest great issue polluting the websites.

Am I above this charade? Absolutely not.

I find it staggering that anyone is writing him off after 7 games. Dennis Bergkamp, our greatest ever big name signing was so bad, Alan Sugar claimed he wouldn’t wash his car with his shirt and he was a waste of money (did I make up the car washing thing?).

Thierry Henry had a shaky start to his career until he fizzed a screamer from 22 yards out at The Den. Freddie Ljungberg scored on his debut against United, but be honest, he was a mess in front of goal for at least a year. Then he found magic with the maturing Dutchman mentioned above. Even Bobby Pires, an absolute dream of a player, looked well off the pace during his maiden season. He was weak, he was unsuited to the league and it was tough to work out how a 6ft+ winger was going to adapt. I remember Wenger saying he’d be like Zidane and laughing to myself very quietly (AKBs were like Corbynistas on 2019 Twitter back in the day).

Pepe, or Pete as Sky fondly nicknamed him, is 24 years old, he’s come over from a slower league, and he’s trying to adjust to a new culture and language. It is rare that a talented player settles into a bad system immediately. I do not think we have to worry just yet. He’ll find his magic eventually.

The other thing I’ve noticed that is mildly amusing is reading the safe people of the Arsenal internet present concern about Emery as a risky opinion.‘You know what, I’m going to say it, something ain’t quite right about Unai’

Well I’ll be damned. Folk that took until late 2017 to determine Wenger might not make the much promised come back to the top, have sussed the new coach might not be up to snuff and they want to project it like a first to market notion.

So many of the people we lean on in the Arsenal community for sound direction on the club are almost always entirely off base, but because they deliver a bad narrative with ‘balance,’ they’re passed off as must-read intellects that know their stuff. I call it right and even my own friends don’t let me round their houses for prematch beers. It’s a disgusting injustice.

I guess yah just have to live with it.

Someone is going to write a highly intellectualised book about Arsenal internet one day and it’ll sell bundles. When you sit down with people and talk it through, it is actually weirdly fascinating. Remember QOS in the comments here? Told people on ACLF that I was phoning her home and abusing her kids? Remember the cucks feigning concern because they were talking to an actual woman? Her husband added me on LinkedIn! Turned owut it was a man with an online alter ego (his wife’s). That’s epic. Simply magnificent. Still not sure whose kids I was talking to.

Just kidding. I knew whose kids they were.

How about Arsene Wenger? Picking up an award I’ve never heard of. Begging for a job on LinkedBeIN.com. Complaining that people had expectations of him.

“Every year people want something more from you. I experienced that at Arsenal. We were twenty consecutive years in the top four but in the end it was not enough anymore. Today if you get into the Champions League people are very happy.”

It’s sad to read. A man who was earning £190k a week, complaining about expectations. I think he’s holding out for a major job, but no one is biting. The oligarchs and sheikhs have wised up and despite his prestige as a man, he really sullied his football rep by clinging to power like a deluded despot. He should have quit in 2008, taken a New York sabbatical, toured around some modern clubs, taken notes, then rebirthed at a big club when he had some of that 2004 sheen about him.

Knowing when to exit is one of the finest qualities a man can possess.

On that fine note, I’m tapping tf out.

Why don’t we reminisce about the weirdos of Arsenal Internet today?

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  1. Paulinho

    Although I’m not a fan of ole Arsene, he said something about Pepe’s off the ball movement which I mentioned the other day:

    “I see some characteristics of his game, especially off the ball, that don’t happen at the moment.”

    If he can become more aggressive off the ball, it will put less pressure on him being expected to bamboozle with the ball every time he gets it, and it will help him take the shackles off.

    As we’ve seen with Rashford though, to a large extent you’ve either got mentality or you haven’t, so whether Pepe can add that to his game remains to be seen.

    He did make one very good run against United in the second half that Auba cocked up by passing back to where he was rather than where he was running to, so that’s not helping.

  2. Luteo Guenreira

    Hamford must have gotten himself a self-esteem boost somewhere over the last couple weeks, he’s back to talking like a cunt more often than not again. Think we’ve been through this cycle before, next steps are foot in mouth in some kind of fashion, a self imposed exile, then an ignominious return, followed by a few weeks of measured contrition…then back to cunt talk and foot in mouth.

  3. Marko

    At the risk of a response from Charles I have to ask Bati how would you feel if Ivan wanted to get the band back together and hire Wenger for Milan? Personally part of me thinks it would be side splitting but the other part of me doesn’t want to see a once great team relegated.

  4. Valentin

    RedTruth,

    My wife is from Cote d’Ivoire and follows every single one of their tournament pretty religiously. In 2017, nobody was praying for Pepe to be given minutes. He was languishing at Angers. It was a huge surprise when Lille went after him.

    In 2019 after his extraordinary season at Lille, he was expected to be one of the leaders of the squad and he disappointed. Some of the article he received back home were vicious about his level of performance. The coach had to publicly defend him while at the same time bench him.

    So Pepe has time on his side, but right now Gervinho has had a much better career at club and international level.

  5. Batistuta

    Eagle

    It’s the conundrum of beautiful football man, fans here wanted free flowing football even though to be fair, the football wasn’t so bad under Gattuso… Had like the 3rd/4th defensive record too and got players like Suso playing out of their skin because he’s another work ethic kind of coach but his first priority was making sure we were hard to beat and that sometimes meant sacrificing the beautiful football obsession with Milan fans….It’s much worse now, very very bad

  6. Marko

    So Pepe has time on his side, but right now Gervinho has had a much better career at club and international level.

    He’s got 8 years on him ffs. One is nearly ending his career the other just beginning. Christ you talk some shite

  7. Batistuta

    Marko

    To be fairly honest, I’d love to see what Wenger would do over here in Milan. No European football as a distraction and will have some quality attacking players to extract a bit more out of… Problem might be he would have to make do with having just 1 very good CB in Romagnoli and Calabrai at RB…. The whole defensive line asides those two is an absolute mess but guess he’d be used to that😁😁😁😁….

    I’d be very open to Gazidis getting the band together of that were the case and some fans who attend games i interact with feel so too…. Was at the Juve game Sunday and at half time the discussion was about how both Inter and Juve look miles better than Milan and even the Inter fans around thought it be good for Milan and Serie A as a whole if Wenger came here….. His late spell for Arsenal may have been a shambles but he’s pretty revered in football terms among a good number of fans especially outside England

  8. Champagne charlie

    Marko you’re still wildly unaware at how much you covet Wenger chat as you try and pin dribbly comments my way.

    Such as:

    “I know he’s the absentee father you always wanted”

    Absolute belter that is, dripping in sense there you fucking melon 😂 everyone’s IQ takes a hit per post you make. Give us peace

  9. Marko

    Bati it’d be interesting to see but I expect after the initial boost he’d give them they’d still suck tremendous amounts of ass. It’d be worth it to see if he might be interested in taking some of his old favorites from Arsenal to Milan.

  10. Marko

    It’s sad to read. A man who was earning £190k a week, complaining about expectations.

    Careful the usual types won’t like that it sounds a bit like a negative comment about Wenger.

    That was my original comment that seemingly set you off. Fairly innocent and like I said you can let some of them go. But you don’t do you. Obsessed really. The funny thing is I’ve called you Emery obsessed before and then you’ve talked about how the post is about him so therefore it’s fair game. Well the scrot is referenced in today’s post so by your logic it’s fair game. I actually don’t covet Wenger conversations if he was never talked about around here it’d be a great day hence people like myself who hate it when he gets in front of a camera and opens his mouth

  11. WengerEagle

    Bati

    Jesus, high maintenance over at Milan. Would have thought that anybody who came in and brought stability and results, let alone a club icon in Gattuso would have been met with open arms as you’s have been dogshit for half a decade.

    Inter aren’t playing beautiful stuff under Conte but he’s come in and had a huge impact from the off. This is with virtually the same team from last season Lukaku and God in aside and he’s lost Icardi.

    Shows that a manager CAN make a significant impact in spite of the group that he’s working with *cough Emery*…

    Incredible to fathom for some.

  12. Guns of SF

    Jim

    Add Hleb to that list with TR7

    We have some midfield maestros back then.
    Not much steel but lots of creativity.

    And yes I would prefer Alex Song to Xhaka! He did more for us back then than loser Xhaka

  13. WengerEagle

    Arshavin was unfortunate that he came to the club when Bendtner was our starting CF. Would have been even better with a decent CF to play off of.

    He came post Adebayor, fit RVP and Eduardo and before RVP exploded post horse placenta.

  14. Receding Hairline

    Valentin one day you will drop your views (biased and laced with pettiness as they are) without referencing your wife or brother in-law. It’s like me claiming to know everything about Ireland because i comment on the same blog with Marko.

    Unless your wife works in Ivorian football, name dropping her in your attempts to paint Pepe as a dud is pointless

  15. Jim Lahey

    @Guns –

    Yeah both of those were quality to watch also! Still remember that Nasri goal against Porto absolute thing of beauty!

  16. TheBayingMob

    I can’t listen to the podcast in case Mirrrooorrr maaayyaaannnnnn … is still the opening themes music. I can’t be doing with it regardless of content.

  17. Marko

    Inter aren’t playing beautiful stuff under Conte but he’s come in and had a huge impact from the off.

    I dunno if I agree with that. They weren’t great against Juve but Milan previously they played good stuff. The 3-1-4-2 formation is adventurous enough I think.

    Shows that a manager CAN make a significant impact in spite of the group that he’s working with *cough Emery*…

    Groups inherited matter in this context. Inherited Skriniar, De Vrij and Brozovic in defensive areas is not the same as Koscielny, Mustafi and Xhaka.

  18. Receding Hairline

    Inter have only really played great football in all but two games this season. What they have done though is win games at all costs under Conte, showing heart and passion. Let’s not pretend Inter are now playing champagne football just to shat on Emery, they aren’t.

  19. Marko

    Oh I see how it is, Marko is your Irish reference point…

    Yeah I would have gone with the guy named Jim Lahey personally

  20. WengerEagle

    Nobody is saying that they’re playing champagne football, they are though in the title race and it took a very late winner from Fatboy Hig to knock then off their perch

  21. Marko

    Conte taking the inter job and what he was going to inherit is one of the reasons why I don’t see someone like Allegri taking on the Arsenal job. These types of managers usually take on a job with a good set up with a fairly decent squad make up. Allegri with our midfield and defence in the summer of 2018 would have been scared off unless he had the funds to overhaul

  22. Just Another Customer

    I think 09/10 was the best in terms of all the creative players sadly most of them always injured and we can’t field the strongest side

    the infamous Arsenal medical fitness team with huge injury list

  23. Receding Hairline

    Eagle Conte is a winner, personally if we were going to go for a coach coming off a bad experience in another big club i would have gone for him in place of Emery.

    Always felt going for Emery off the back of his perceived failure( perceived cos i do not consider his time there as failure) at PSG would always mean people got on his back if it takes time for his work to materialize here. That feeling has been vindicated.

  24. Leedsgunner

    “Shows that a manager CAN make a significant impact in spite of the group that he’s working with *cough Emery*…”

    WengerEagle, speaks forth reason… (as he often does).

    That is why I’m amazed that Emery is given a carte blanche by some of the fan base for shutting Özil out. As I’ve said, this isn’t man management but a fear of doing so. Wenger, in his final days, couldn’t handle big players either. That’s why we lost Sanchez, Cesc and RvP without a fight. We’re just repeating his mistakes.

    I thought Emery would have learnt from his PSG experience and brought Özil into the fold for the benefit of the team but Emery has just retreated into his shell… why? Why isn’t he being held accountable for this?

  25. Receding Hairline

    Dunno what Ozil and Emery’s time at PSG has in common. Ozil is no Neymar and Neymar did not have any raging issues with Emery. I think people are beginning to confuse Ben Arfa with Neymar through their Ozil tinted lens.

    Ozil was a problem before Emery, will remain a problem after Emery. All that has happened is Emery has decided Ozil is not his problem.

  26. Marko

    That is why I’m amazed that Emery is given a carte blanche by some of the fan base for shutting Özil out…I thought Emery would have learnt from his PSG experience and brought Özil into the fold for the benefit of the team.

    In your mind you probably think you’re making a case for Ozil but there’s literally nothing in what you said that calls for Ozil to be reinstated. Maybe talk about what it is that he would add to the team these days say it with a straight face though. But be warned I’ll probably respond with examples of how much he’s declined the last 3+ seasons and how wank he’s become

  27. Paulinho

    I remember people around here lauding Ole as an example of a manager making a big impact when he first took over. All gone very quiet on that front.

    So much of it today is new manager bounce and players responding to a manager who is the polar opposite to the previous in terms of man-management, and that only lasts so long unless personnel significantly improves.

    Also worth remembering how listless and poor Chelsea were when Conte was sacked, and how he spent the last few months there seemingly in a never-ending sulk on the touchline.

  28. Receding Hairline

    “I remember people around here lauding Ole as an example of a manager making a big impact when he first took over. All gone very quiet on that front.”

    Yep Ole was prime Pep on here a few months ago, now he is the village idiot. With friends (or fans) like this who needs enemies

  29. Leedsgunner

    Emery is the head coach of Arsenal. Özil is an Arsenal player.

    Ozil is his problem whether he wants to acknowledge it or not.

    If he didn’t want to deal with Özil he shouldn’t have taken the job in the first place. Özil was given his new contract before Emery, he knew full well that he was going to be part of his squad for a long time.

    I’m sure given Özil’s contract Emery would have been undoubtedly been asked how he would handle him. I doubt he would have gotten the job if he answered, “I would ignore him for months on end to force him out.”

    He had no problem telling Mustafi to leave, why doesn’t he do the same with Özil and be done with it? What’s the point of making him a captain? At best, Emery is timid. At worst, he is clueless.

  30. Marko

    If he didn’t want to deal with Özil he shouldn’t have taken the job in the first place…He had no problem telling Mustafi to leave, why doesn’t he do the same with Özil and be done with it?

    He is dealing with it and the club seemingly wants rid. Again a poor case for bringing in Ozil from the cold

  31. Receding Hairline

    I have decided to watch highlights from a few Chelsea games and what many are lauding as Lampards philosophy is just the presence of midfielders willing to run ahead of the striker. Something many on here consider a taboo of sorts yet lauded at another club

    Kante spends his time running all over the pitch often popping up in the opposition box, Emery asks that of Torriera and many scream blue murder.

    And no Ozil will not help there as his specialty is balls into full backs ghosting in behind the defense and strolling to the edge of the opposition box

  32. Pedro

    Leeds, agree.

    The troubling thing for me is this: What did he present to the board?

    That he was going to freeze mesut out?

    How did he frame the armband to Raul and Edu?

    Why does Mesut get frozen out, but Mustafi finds a way back in?

  33. Receding Hairline

    “How did he frame the armband to Raul and Edu?”

    I am guessing Edu and Raul have not totally ignored the simple fact the squad voted their five captains and Emery did not hand Ozil the captaincy as you have maintained.

    “Why does Mesut get frozen out, but Mustafi finds a way back in?”

    Effort. Three clean sheets in his three appearances would have answered that

  34. Leedsgunner

    Pedro

    “Why does Mesut get frozen out, but Mustafi finds a way back in?”

    Exactly.

    Closing one’s eyes and putting your fingers in one’s ears, repeatedly saying to oneself, “Other players deserve it more, other players deserve it more.” is not dealing with the problem.

  35. Marko

    Funny thing is that for all the deserved criticism Emery is getting keeping Ozil out of the team isn’t one of them.

    Ozil fanboys it’s worth remembering that this is all down to Mesut and Mesut alone. If he showed any effort or desire or made himself available enough or even just performed to a certain standard then he’d be playing but as things stand he does none of those things. Again since the incident with the attempted robbery Kolasinac missed one game and was back available since then while Ozil missed the first game pulled a sicky and missed the next few games. There’s your problem right there.

  36. HighburyLegend

    “He had no problem telling Mustafi to leave, why doesn’t he do the same with Özil ”

    C’mon man, it’s impossible to be too harsh with Mesut when you look him right in the eyes.
    (sorry…)
    (lol)

  37. Marko

    He’s playing Mustafi well too if we’re being totally honest and objective. Basically saying that you’re not part of our plans and you’re back up at best game time will be rare and if you don’t like it leave. Have to take a difference stance with Ozil obviously because playing once or twice a month is ideal for him.

  38. Pedro

    Leeds, at least when Jose would freeze someone out, there was a reason… you’d see an end product, or some method behind the madness.

    We don’t create chances.

    Mesut can’t even make the squad.

    Again, why bring him along for preseason if you have no intention of giving him a chance?

  39. Kay

    Agree with Marko on Ozil and Mustafi.

    Mustafi can be used as backup and be pushed out but playing Ozil in breaks is playing right into his hands.

  40. Marko

    Again plenty to criticize Emery for justifiably. But to criticize him for freezing out Ozil isn’t one of them and it takes a special individual to do so. Luckily there only seems about 3 people around here who do it. 3 who keep ignoring the fact that a lot of the games he’s missing is down to Mesut and Mesut alone. Whether it’s illness or poor performances. Still gets ignored though

  41. bennydevito

    Bamford10October 8, 2019    10:53:40

    Great post there Bamford, it’s good to have you back as your posts are always well balanced and reasoned unlike the attention seeking insult throwers who can’t handle anybody else’s opinions other than their own.

  42. Receding Hairline

    @RH : if Arteta was Italian, he would have been hired.

    Guess you meant if he was a head coach. Funny Ivan wanted to be bold and whatever here but has been anything but bold over in Milan. Surely if you can consider him for Arsenal he is good enough for Milan.

  43. Marc

    Those who are questioning Ozil being frozen out whilst Mustafi is getting EL matches need to remember that we’ll have Holding back soon so you’ll have Sok, Luiz, Holding and Chambers as CB options – I expect 2 to be first choice and the other 2 to be back up Cup CB’s.

    AMN will probably become Cup RB.

    Some of it is just numbers / lack of numbers.

  44. Receding Hairline

    Marc i would rather Mustafi became cup right back than AMN. AMN should never play in defense for us again. Try him in what he believes is his natural position or sell him to someone who will

  45. Leedsgunner

    Pedro

    Again, I agree with you.

    I find it a bit rich for Emery to justify his decision to leave Özil out completely by saying “Other deserve it more.” when

    1. he couldn’t even beat a Tottenham side in utter disarray.
    2. he couldn’t even beat a Man United side which is considered the worst in 30 years.
    3. his tactical decisions led to a team who capitulated a 2-0 half time lead to a Watford team in 20th position… a team which was beaten 8-0 by a
    4. He has barely managed to beat Newcastle, Burnley, Aston Villa and Bournemouth…

    Why does Emery think HE is deserving of time at Arsenal?

    Emery freezing Özil out smacks of desperation. He simply doesn’t know what else to do.

    That, I would suggest, is not dealing with the problem.

  46. bennydevito

    Graham62October 8, 2019    13:29:03

    Bob N16 (from previous post)

    So by saying I’m fed up with these Climate Change activists and I voted to leave Europe, I’m considered far right.

    Pretty dumb don’t you think?

    >>>>>>

    Very dumb. I can’t stand the Extinction Rebellion idiots and also voted to leave the EU.

  47. Receding Hairline

    Don’t even know why Mustafi getting game time and playing well should be used as a defence of Ozil.

    Higuain, Khedira and Dybala were surplus to requirements at Juventus before the season started and are now playing. Ozil should train to the levels the man he is waiting to outlast wants and maybe he gets picked or he can continue leaking to the press how he is waiting to outlast Emery, his call.

  48. Leedsgunner

    *his tactical decisions led to a team who capitulated a 2-0 half time lead to a Watford team in 20th position… a team which was beaten 8-0 by a second string Man City side the week after…

  49. bennydevito

    Luteo GuenreiraOctober 8, 2019    15:44:06

    Hamford must have gotten himself a self-esteem boost somewhere over the last couple weeks, he’s back to talking like a cunt more often than not again. Think we’ve been through this cycle before, next steps are foot in mouth in some kind of fashion, a self imposed exile, then an ignominious return, followed by a few weeks of measured contrition…then back to cunt talk and foot in mouth.

    >>>>>>

    There’s plenty of cunt talk on here from a few usual culprits but Bamford certainly isn’t one of them.

    Your comment above however beautifully ironically fits in perfectly with the comment you made.

    Outstanding

  50. Receding Hairline

    1. he couldn’t even beat a Tottenham side in utter disarray.

    Nor could City

    2. he couldn’t even beat a Man United side which is considered the worst in 30 years.

    Nor could Chelsea and Leicester

    4. He has barely managed to beat Newcastle, Burnley, Aston Villa and Bournemouth…

    Oh the ones he did beat he “barely” managed to beat

    Nice analysis

    Well he has also “barely” managed to lose one game this season

    Ozil was a vital component of an Arsenal team that had one four wins away from home all season and 13 defeats in the league. He was trusted and valued then and delivered very little

  51. Receding Hairline

    “Emery freezing Özil out smacks of desperation. He simply doesn’t know what else to do.”

    I would say playing him to appease your ilk would be the sign of desperation and not freezing him out. Freezing him out is a clear sign he knows what he wants from a footballer in his team and cannot see it in Ozil.

    Nor do any other team for that matter, Sanchez and Mhki got moves to top teams in Italy, no one wanted the most creative genius who ever lived, guess everyone is desperate

  52. Marko

    It’s funny to me when people suggest Ozil would have made a difference in games we lost or drew. I love it really it’s like make believe with children. It’s odd considering how much of a difference he makes that he hasn’t been trusted in a major away game for 2/3 years now. Odd as well considering the declining numbers.

  53. Leedsgunner

    Marc

    Fair point, I don’t. No one outside the board room of Arsenal does, we are all speculating. However, if this was the ultimate plan for Özil, why allow him to come on the pre-season trip? Why allow him to become a captain of Arsenal… even symbolically?

    As I said earlier, I’m not saying Özil is blameless, he isn’t. However, it seems an incredible use of club resources to utterly ignore our highest earner hoping that he will go away.

    If we were going to do that this season, we should have just paid Özil a flat fee at the beginning of the summer and cut our losses.

  54. Nelson

    Let me answer the question raised by Leedsgunner and Pedro.

    Emery didn’t openly freeze Ozil. That’s because the season is long. A lot of things can happen such as injuries and suspension. Obviously, he doesn’t want to play Ozil in EPL games as long as Ceballos is available. Willock is still too raw. If you ask Auba or Pepe, do you think they like to play with Torr as the #10. Ozil is hence kept as an emergency substitute.
    On the other hand, the board may decide to loan him out to save money. Let’s see what happens in January.

  55. Marko

    From Leeds last couple comments one can only deduce that Pierre isn’t the only one who trolls regarding Ozil.

  56. Valentin

    Receding,

    If you stopped your obsession with every one of my post, you would present a view on the point talked instead of your usual snarky comment.

    The reason I mention that my wife is from Cote d’Ivoire is because I was asked in a different threat why I am so interested in African football. Having a wife who watches everyone of their games tend to do that.

    But you can’t help yourself. Arrive on the blog. Start immediately firing arrogant remark to other commentators. Being polite and respectful is really not your strong suit.

  57. Rambo Ramsey

    “I know he’s the absentee father you always wanted”

    Christ, no wonder this fat potato can’t find a job.

  58. Leedsgunner

    Marko

    I’m just putting forth my arguments, which just happens to be different than yours. If you can’t handle a sensible debate without labelling someone a troll, fair enough.

    Wishing you the best.

  59. Marko

    Leeds you seem to be suggesting that we should have gotten rid and if he then refused to go we should just play him regardless. Doesn’t sound right does it

  60. Spanishdave

    Emery doesn’t have a plan, that’s the problem
    If you are mid table you can get away with it as every game there are changes and deep defending to hang onto results.
    The top teams work hard to systems so they can dictate the game to their way of playing, this demands dedication to a plan and a belief in the managers strategy.
    Emery is a mid table manager, who cannot impose a plan that lasts more than one game, hence the poor performances and disjointed approach to games.

  61. Receding Hairline

    “Why allow him to become a captain of Arsenal… even symbolically?”

    Why block him from becoming Captain if chosen by his team mates by virtue of his seniority? What does Emery gain from that exactly? You think all this is personal but it isn’t. Train to the right levels, show the right attitude, get games. Metersacker said as much not long ago.

  62. Pedro

    Leeds / Marc, I really don’t think the exec team would instruct the manager to do such a thing.

    Emery gave Mesut a captains armband. Hardly a ‘get out of our club’ indicator.

  63. Marko

    Leeds respectfully you’re absolutely on a troll right now. Asking why a player, who calls in sick and who’s generally been awful for a few years now, doesn’t play more often is an absolute troll. Can’t be taken seriously

  64. Marc

    Leeds

    You’re looking at Ozil as a valuable asset who could make a serious contribution but is having a personality clash with a manager.

    Ozil only managed 70 odd minutes vs Forest – he was hardly being kept fresh for the big match at the weekend was he?

  65. Receding Hairline

    “The reason I mention that my wife is from Cote d’Ivoire is because I was asked in a different threat why I am so interested in African football. Having a wife who watches everyone of their games tend to do that.”

    In a different threat?

    Again i repeat unless your wife works with the Ivorian national team name dropping her offers very little. I watch all Nigerian National team games, i don’t know anything about the selection process or what goes on behind closed doors and i actually live in Nigeria.

    Your wife watches Ivory coast from London and all of a sudden she is an authority on Ivorian football? I beg to differ

  66. Leedsgunner

    Marko

    Please refrain from putting words in my mouth, thanks.

    What I’m saying is, we should have a manager who can make the best use of the playing staff at our football club. By the virtue of his reputation and contract, Özil is a key player at our club. Emery has a responsibility to make the best use of him. It really isn’t an option to the manager to pretend Özil doesn’t exist.

  67. Receding Hairline

    “Emery gave Mesut a captains armband. Hardly a ‘get out of our club’ indicator.”

    No he didn’t

    The entire Arsenal squad voted five captains. From which Emery picked a main captain

    Arsenal’s captain is Granit Xhaka, Assisted by Aubameyang.

  68. Receding Hairline

    The Swiss midfielder will head a five-strong leadership group after the poll, necessitated by the departures of Laurent Koscielny and Nacho Monreal, after meeting a number of criteria Emery had laid down for his new captain. In descending order, his deputies will be Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Héctor Bellerín, Alexandre Lacazette and Mesut Özil.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/27/granit-xhaka-player-vote-arsenal-captain

    One would say being made the fifth captain after a poll that saw Auba and Lacazette ahead of you (both players you met at the club) isn’t a “please stay with us” plea

  69. Luteo Guenreira

    benny

    You’re so tribal it’s not even funny, always so ready to team up with whomever you deem to be on your side that day. You’re so all over place though I’m sure you’ll be buddying up to me some day soon too.

    Just to be clear though, I don’t call people cunts based on their opinions, I call them cunts based on the presentation of their opinions. Yamford in his insufferable stages is about as cunty with his verbiage as you can get.

  70. Valentin

    Marko,

    Gervinho was the same age than Pepe is when he won the French League with Lille. That same year Lille made the double league and FA CUp. Also he was much more influential on his national team than Pepe is. So yes at the same age he had a better career than Pepe.

    He has 8 years to make up, but Pepe is not a youngster starting his career. He is nearly midway through his career. So unless Arsenal won the premiership or the Champion’s league within the next 8 years and/or Cote d’Ivoire won another title during that period, Gervinho will finish with more important medals than Pepe.

  71. Marko

    Emery has a responsibility to make the best use of him. It really isn’t an option to the manager to pretend Özil doesn’t exist.

    Again total troll can’t be taken seriously because you’re alluding to the problem with Ozil being a managerial one which is ridiculous. He’s been on a decline under Wenger Low and now Emery. I’m not sure failing under a 4th or 5th manager is necessary to understand the problem is the player.

  72. Rambo Ramsey

    “Your wife watches Ivory coast from London and all of a sudden she is an authority on Ivorian football?”

    He never claimed she was, you condescending asswipe.

  73. Marc

    Valentin

    Refresh my memory – didn’t you say Pepe was going to be a terrible signing before we bought him because he’ll make the same runs as Auba and they’ll get in each others way?

    You don’t like the player and didn’t want us to sign him. Am I supposed to be surprised you’re writing him off after a handful of matches?

  74. Receding Hairline

    Like a true asswipe Rambo i couldn’t care less whatever input( if we can call it that) you have to make.

    The point was pretty clear, drop your opinion and stop looking to validate it by namedropping people as “close connections” you have to the topic at hand

  75. Receding Hairline

    “Refresh my memory – didn’t you say Pepe was going to be a terrible signing before we bought him because he’ll make the same runs as Auba and they’ll get in each others way?”

    That probably explains the poor lads slow start in England, hard to play football when you are worried about a possible collision with a team mate.

  76. Valentin

    Receding,

    Losing the argument, so inventing points that I never made.
    Where did I mention any selection process? RedTruth is the one who using Wikipedia tried to pretend that Pepe should have played more at AFCON 2015.

    You are trying to stir a throw away comment into a contentious point because you know you have no counter-argument.

    If somebody ask you why are you so interested in Nigerian footballer, what would be your answer?
    I would say that you are more likely to have info on Nigerian players than a casual footballer fan.

  77. Marko

    So yes at the same age he had a better career than Pepe.

    You said “He also has had a much better career than Pepe.” You then cited the Afcon in 2015 despite Pepe being what 19 or 20 at the time. At the time you weren’t talking about their careers at the same time no.

  78. Valentin

    Marc,

    The xenophobic troll is back.
    I said that Pepe was a one dimensional player who was going to find adjusting to a completely different setup very difficult. I also said that Aubameyang would make the same runs than him neutering his impact.
    You on the other hand, having never seen him play was making cartwheels on the immediate impact he would have on the team.

    Who do you think was closer to the reality?

    Pepe is stuck isolated on the right side of the pitch, unable to actively participate to Arsenal interplay. Being outshined by a 17 years old boy and replaced by a 18 years old Brazilian boy from 4th division does not scream instant success.

  79. Leedsgunner

    Marc

    We’re just surmising from silence but if his attitude is that bad, why not say so and banish him to the reserves?

    Plus, I would have expected a player who fell out that spectacularly with the manager to have said something to defend himself if he thought he was being treated unfairly. Remember, Özil was not afraid to do this when he was arguing in the summer with the DFB.

    For his part, Özil has kept his peace… and played when called upon even in a league cup game when to many pros that would have been seen as an insult and a demotion. That doesn’t sounds like a pro with an attitude or an ego problem.

  80. Valentin

    Marko,

    I was referring to Gervinho 2015 AFCON and Pepe 2019 AFCON impact. Others have picked that up, but you hours after everybody else is still clueless on what people wrote or just pretending not to understand.
    I must compliment you. You are doing a very good job at pretending to be the aggressive village idiot who does not understand, but still want to partake in conversation between adults.

  81. Marc

    Valentin

    Oh dear – name calling eh? When you call me “xenophobic” does how I spell my name not register?

    I was excited we were looking to make a club record signing. His stats were good and I’ll put more trust into people at the club who are doing a good job than a “fan”, I never made claims on an immediate impact. You don’t like the player – fine but I’ve never judged an overseas signing on a handful of matches and I’m not going to start now.

    You had made a decision on the player before he even kicked a ball for us. I point that out and you resort to incorrect name calling.

  82. Marko

    Val you said has had a much better career with no reference to a specific time period. Again has had. Seems straight forward what you were originally saying but as per usually you’re either moving the goal posts or lying through your teeth. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if your wife didn’t know the difference between a football and an egg let alone have in-depth knowledge on football in the ivory coast. Given your penchant for lying and bullshiting that is.

  83. TR7

    ‘Yep Ole was prime Pep on here a few months ago, now he is the village idiot. With friends (or fans) like this who needs enemies’

    Bamford the only one who went overboard with his Ole praise but that’s hardly a surprise.

  84. Marc

    Leeds

    Emery did come out the other day and say other players deserved to play more than Ozil. For a club that historically tries not to wash it’s dirty linen in public that’s quite a statement against a senior player and the highest earner at the club.

    There’s clearly something wrong and I just don’t think it can all be laid at the feet of the current manager.

  85. Batistuta

    Receeding

    It’s just pure banter now the managerial merry go round here in Milan, everyone could see Giampolo was not what we needed but Gazidis and to am extent Maldini thought otherwise and now Pioli who i have no opinion about to be fair, he did take Florentina to their highest finish in a while and into the Europa league so he wasn’t all bad but his last couple of months before he was fired was just horrible I’m Florence…. Hopefully he does well here in Milan but no one is holding their breath especially as we all thought it would be Spalleti coming in

  86. Marko

    Also at what point are you going to realize that cheese eating surrender monkey taken from the Simpsons no less isn’t a slur.

  87. Valentin

    Marc,

    Having seen Pepe play in live I was not enamoured of his arrival. I said it, but some people did not like me caating doubt on their new shinny toy. Out of all Lille attacking players I would have selected both Jonathan Bamba and Jonathan Ikone ahead of him. Younger and (don’t laugh) more rounded and not so one footed.

    Yes he had great stats, but you just needed to dig deeper. He did score 22 goals, but that included 10 penalties. Penalties that were mostly caused by both Jonathan. Also his assists make him like some kind of super vision player in open play, when most of the assists were due to being the set-pieces taker.
    I had my doubt. I expressed them and said that in the current setup he would not be the resounding success people are expecting. Right now facts are just proving me right. He may come good, but he is not the new Messi.

  88. Marc

    Marko

    I’ve never made what I would consider a “racist” slur on here. I made the cheese eating surrender monkey comment as a joke and Valentin was either a) mortally offended by an innocuous comment and needs to man up a bit b) pissed off I showed him up on a stupid point he made and was looking for an out.

    With the way I spell my name I could of course be French!

  89. Marko

    I do feel a bit for Mustafi but in saying that he needs to go and this is a sort of consequence of hanging around a place you’re not wanted.

  90. Marko

    So both Jonathan Bamba and Ikone were really behind the great season Pepe had. Makes sense. I do wonder why Bayern, Napoli, Inter and ourselves were interested in paying such money for him and not for Bamba or Ikone. Perhaps those scouts are a little behind a known liar on a football blog. Maybe

  91. Valentin

    Marko,

    I just suggest that you go and read raptora message.
    Three hours later and you still don’t get it or pretend not to get it. You sir, are utterly convincing in your stereotypical role of the aggressive idiot postman as portrayed by Clifford C. Clavin, Jr. In Cheers.

    raptoraOctober 8, 2019 15:31:11
    Redtruth,
    Nice wikipedia quote. Valentin meant the 2019 AFCON, where Pepe certainly played but not in the quarters where they lost. He played in the game before until the 68th min, but in their last game on the tournament vs Algeria where they eventually lost after penalty shootout, Pepe didn’t get to play although his coach made 4 substitutes in that game.

  92. Marc

    Valentin

    No problem you preferred other players but I won’t write a player off so quickly.

    He may come good, he may not but when you’ve got people on here making excuses for Xhaka or Ozil (and I’m not pointing that finger at you) after several years it strikes me as crazy to write a player off so soon.

    I would make the point that having a player who gets a good number of assists from set pieces is something we really need as our delivery is often at best fucking awful!

  93. TR7

    ‘The Arsenal online presence not tainting that poll at all!
    Bit harsh considering his play this season.’

    One would expect Arsenal votes to get divided between Mustafi and Sokratis. Mustafi has not played against a decent side this season to be fair.

  94. WengerEagle

    What new manager ‘bounce’ did we see with Emery btw?

    Wenger’s 2017/18 was by far his worst ever league season and Emery beat the points tally by 7 points.

  95. Valentin

    Marko,

    Bamba and Ikone were scouted by numerous club, but Lille made it very clear that they were off limit this summer.
    Lille have been able to easily find a replacement for Pepe. His replacement has the same kind of stats than he did, so maybe Lille knew was they were doing when they let him go.
    If Lille has a similar season without him, maybe he was not the catalyst for their good results, just the beneficiary of good team play created by good coaching.

    Oops, I forget you don’t believe in coaching, it’s all the players. But then does it mean that we got the wrong player…

  96. WengerEagle

    Ha, remember this quote from Fergie:

    “Jones, arguably the way he is looking, could be our best ever player,” Ferguson had stated. “I think Jones may be one of the best players we have ever had, not matter where we play him. At 21 years of age, he is going to be a phenomenal player.”

    Right you were SAF…

  97. Chris

    The flashes we have seen from Pepe are encouraging and full of promise, ie the deft dribbling against van Dijk and Robertson. There have been more than a few nice touches but it obviously has to be part of a more consistent performance. I think he will improve further this season but we may not see the very best of him until next season, possibly under a new coach and direction.

  98. Valentin

    Marc,

    I am one who can see what Xhaka can bring in a different setting, but I also think that he is completely unsuited to both the premiership in general and the high pressing, high intensity, high energy Emery keep wanting to implement.

    Regarding Özil, my view is that the responsibility of the current situation is shared. That Özil can be moody is no secret. That he sometimes behave like a petulant child cannot be denied.
    However the job of a manager in all walk of life is to make the best use of ALL the assets at his disposal and to find a way to motivate people who work for him. Emery needs to find a way to bring Özil back into the fold. Especially when the team is playing as badly as it currently is.

  99. Chris

    The horse has long bolted with Ozil. There is a myriad of reasons why he has failed to perform but it is wrong to lay the blame completely at Emery’s door. At this stage with a couple of months until his rumoured departure, if true, just put the guy on gardening leave/allow him to move to the US early in preparation. He has very little, if anything, left to offer Arsenal. It is sad and also disappointing.

  100. TR7

    Otemandi has to be in the mix, shocking defender. Dermichelis and Otemandi were horrendous against Germany in 2010 WC in 0-4 defeat. That was the only world cup in which Argentina attack seemed to be clicking as a unit but their defense let them down.

  101. Pierre

    The know nothing’s are excelling themselves tonight .

    Apparently edu and raul have instructed the manager to not play Ozil as he is leaving in January.

    Let’s say this is true , what does it say about Emery and ability to manage and select the team .

    Why just stop at Ozil , why not tell the manager to leave xhaka out of the squad as it is apparently his fault for all our drab displays .

    Better still , lets have no manager and let Edu and Raul select the team for match days.

    Karl pilkington and the bullshit man will be returning soon if Marko and the rest of the know nothing’s keep spewing out such garbage.

  102. TR7

    Not a fan of Ozil but there’s no logic in not playing him against the likes of Bournemouth at home. Don’t tell me the likes of Torr and Willock offer more than him as CAM.

  103. WengerEagle

    Demichelis was atrocious, good shout. Ran like a man who’d had his kneecaps blown out in battle.

    Titus Bramble surely deserves a nomination. Him and Boumsong at CB for Newcastle were as close to satire as football gets.

  104. Wasi

    Emery used Ozil heavily in the preseason. Gave him a chance to see if he is willing to work defensively. Left him out of the squad completely. Gave him the armband and said he can get back into the team.
    Maybe he is trying to get a reaction from Ozil in the only way he knows “by creating friction”.

  105. Pierre

    Marc
    “I would make the point that having a player who gets a good number of assists from set pieces is something we really need as our delivery is often at best fucking awful!”

    What you forgot to point out that the one player who could pick out a player from a set piece was taken off set piece duties when the new manager arrived.

  106. Wasi

    No way Edu or Raul are behind the Ozil saga imo. We hired Emery as head coach and if he is not given the power to even pick his team then what is he here for . It’s definitely Emery the tinker man .

  107. Valentin

    Marc,

    I have nothing against somebody capable to taking good set-pieces, but unless you are ManCity you don’t pay €80 millions for the pleasure.

    What is shocking is that nobody in the Arsenal coaching staff decide to add extra crossing and set-pieces taking sessions to improve.

    Lacazette gave an interview where he explained that he decided by himself to do extra free-kick session. He asked one of the Goalkeeper to stay behind to be in goal. Aubameyang then joined him. Brothers in Arm as usual. The Aston Villa winning free-kick may be the result of such extra session.

    Beckham followed Eric Cantona lead and used to spend an extra 20 minutes after training just on his free-kick technique.
    I can’t understand why Kolasinac is not given a mandatory 20 minutes to be able to cross. Anything more complicated than a cutback never reach its intended target. Same thing with Pepe, who should learn to cross with his right foot.

  108. Chris

    Do any of you remember Eddie Youds, scored one of the most comical own goals against us that I can recall.

    Also Senderos gets a lot of criticism and perhaps rightly so but I still remember his towering display against Bayern Munich in the CL in 2005, oh what could have been.

  109. Batistuta

    Eagle

    Always amusing how that Newcastle back line didn’t get them relegated that season… Also had the great Shola Ameobi up front too

  110. Marc

    Pierre

    Ozil can’t take set pieces or at least corners – if we get a corner and it goes out for another but on the other side of the goal the poor little darling gets worn out going from one side of the pitch to the other.

    He might catch the sniffles.

  111. Paulinho

    WE – Yeah, Emery was taking over after ‘our worst ever season’ so that’s probably the relevant season to take into consideration, not the seasons before.

    ‘New manager bounce’ is more of a criticism of a manager rather than praise, so you not seeing one from Emery is not a slight on him.

    It can happen with managers that start well and continue doing well and managers that start well and go to shit. The managers that are doing the right things from the off generally keep improving or at least maintain when new manager bounce wears off.

    Off the top of my head managers that praised to the high hills in recent years but got sacked after a massive drop-off in results/performances:

    Obvious cases of new manager bounce in recent years(off the top my head) that started well and went to shit or look like going to shit are:

    Bilic
    OGL
    Darren Moore
    Gary Monk
    Hasenhüttl

  112. Valentin

    Senderos has all the attributes to be a great defender, tall, intelligent, good technique but like John Stone not the mentality to be a defender. A thinker not a warrior.
    Gallas said during a televised interview that some players such as Drogba used to make Senderos physically sick by fear before games.

    https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/quand-senderos-paniquait-avant-de-jouer-contre-chelsea-et-drogba-1101126.html

    For those who don’t speak French.

    https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2018/william-gallas-reveals-that-philippe-senderos-had-panic-attacks-before-matches/

  113. Chris

    Another great example of that is John Gregory. Took over Villa back end of 98/99 and had them top of the league at Christmas one year before they fell off a cliff.

    I found him to be snide and smarmy, especially after they came back to beat us 3-2, so not upset to see him lose the plot.

  114. Paulinho

    “I found him to be snide and smarmy, especially after they came back to beat us 3-2, so not upset to see him lose the plot”

    The parachute match.

    Remember we were going to collect our team of the year award that night at Sports Personality of the Year and that result just killed the mood.

  115. Valentin

    Paulinho

    A bit unfair on Darren Moore who did a great job at WestBrom. He got sacked so they could install a Play-off specialist who then refused the job and they has to content with Moore’s assistant until the end of the season. They lost to Villa in the play-off semi-final. Served them right.

  116. Chris

    It would be interesting to see if Senderos developed that Pre game anxiety after the first time he was taken to the cleaners by Drogba. Such a shame as has been said he had the qualities by in large.

    Also think Djourou could have achieved more with us. At one point he and Senderos were the Swiss centre back pairing at the World Cup if I recall right.