Pepe debate RAGES

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‘Move bitch, get off the plane, get off the plane bitch, get off the plane’

Was humming this as an old lady struggled to pull her heavy bag out of the overhead bin. Total nightmare wait, but I was amused by the internal soundtrack to the debacle.

You know what else amuses me? Watching Arsenal fans online. What a bunch of weirdos.

I love that after 10 years of mostly arguing over a single topic, we now create our own weekly subgroups of fandoms and anti-fandoms to get our fix of viciously polarised debate.

PEPE IS GREAT BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS vs PEPE IS GERVINHO WITH BETTER HAIR, the latest great issue polluting the websites.

Am I above this charade? Absolutely not.

I find it staggering that anyone is writing him off after 7 games. Dennis Bergkamp, our greatest ever big name signing was so bad, Alan Sugar claimed he wouldn’t wash his car with his shirt and he was a waste of money (did I make up the car washing thing?).

Thierry Henry had a shaky start to his career until he fizzed a screamer from 22 yards out at The Den. Freddie Ljungberg scored on his debut against United, but be honest, he was a mess in front of goal for at least a year. Then he found magic with the maturing Dutchman mentioned above. Even Bobby Pires, an absolute dream of a player, looked well off the pace during his maiden season. He was weak, he was unsuited to the league and it was tough to work out how a 6ft+ winger was going to adapt. I remember Wenger saying he’d be like Zidane and laughing to myself very quietly (AKBs were like Corbynistas on 2019 Twitter back in the day).

Pepe, or Pete as Sky fondly nicknamed him, is 24 years old, he’s come over from a slower league, and he’s trying to adjust to a new culture and language. It is rare that a talented player settles into a bad system immediately. I do not think we have to worry just yet. He’ll find his magic eventually.

The other thing I’ve noticed that is mildly amusing is reading the safe people of the Arsenal internet present concern about Emery as a risky opinion.‘You know what, I’m going to say it, something ain’t quite right about Unai’

Well I’ll be damned. Folk that took until late 2017 to determine Wenger might not make the much promised come back to the top, have sussed the new coach might not be up to snuff and they want to project it like a first to market notion.

So many of the people we lean on in the Arsenal community for sound direction on the club are almost always entirely off base, but because they deliver a bad narrative with ‘balance,’ they’re passed off as must-read intellects that know their stuff. I call it right and even my own friends don’t let me round their houses for prematch beers. It’s a disgusting injustice.

I guess yah just have to live with it.

Someone is going to write a highly intellectualised book about Arsenal internet one day and it’ll sell bundles. When you sit down with people and talk it through, it is actually weirdly fascinating. Remember QOS in the comments here? Told people on ACLF that I was phoning her home and abusing her kids? Remember the cucks feigning concern because they were talking to an actual woman? Her husband added me on LinkedIn! Turned owut it was a man with an online alter ego (his wife’s). That’s epic. Simply magnificent. Still not sure whose kids I was talking to.

Just kidding. I knew whose kids they were.

How about Arsene Wenger? Picking up an award I’ve never heard of. Begging for a job on LinkedBeIN.com. Complaining that people had expectations of him.

“Every year people want something more from you. I experienced that at Arsenal. We were twenty consecutive years in the top four but in the end it was not enough anymore. Today if you get into the Champions League people are very happy.”

It’s sad to read. A man who was earning £190k a week, complaining about expectations. I think he’s holding out for a major job, but no one is biting. The oligarchs and sheikhs have wised up and despite his prestige as a man, he really sullied his football rep by clinging to power like a deluded despot. He should have quit in 2008, taken a New York sabbatical, toured around some modern clubs, taken notes, then rebirthed at a big club when he had some of that 2004 sheen about him.

Knowing when to exit is one of the finest qualities a man can possess.

On that fine note, I’m tapping tf out.

Why don’t we reminisce about the weirdos of Arsenal Internet today?

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Marko

What exactly is dishonest about the statement? The dishonesty comes I believe from the whole tried to do everything in his power to keep Gnabry bit that he alludes to and the not taking any personal responsibility for losing such a talent. He left because of a lack of game time and didn’t see any opportunities coming his way which is understandable. Had Wenger shown some faith in him we’d probably still have on our books one of the best young wingers in Europe. Same with Malen. The fact you try play to a particular crowd here is what’s more… Read more »

Un na naai

Benny Don’t you think we’ve interfered in the Middle East enough already? Look at what the removal of despot rulers has caused already with Iraq and Gadaffi in Libya. It’s not our place to spread “democracy” around the world. Think it’s time the west buts it’s nose out. And no. For me it’s lone children first, then families. Single men should be staying and trying to bring their country round. If we all fled in the 1940s then the U.K. would be a nazi annex. I understand fathers wanting to leave with their children but for me if it happened… Read more »

Un na naai

MarkoOctober 9, 2019 13:45:31
Also Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people so he is absolutely the problem.

Did he though? Questionable.

Sid

MarkoOctober 9, 2019 13:45:31
Like the time they told us about WMDs in Iraq, but its a football blog lets keep it football

Champagne charlie

I’ll play the role of Pedro here, can folk veer away from political discourse and keep it sporty/light if you’ve little to say about Arsenal?

Ignorant footy chat is one thing, reading a mongs guide to international relations is all the more painful.

Marko

I mean it’s questionable if you’re retarded. For everyone else Assad is a war criminal and has committed atrocities on his own people. It’s probably questionable to you because you clearly would prefer they stay in their own country and having to admit that they’re dealing with chemical warfare would probably go against that. Just leave it Don no one wants to go down this road with you least of all. Shame there’s not a points system for chlorine induced.

Normski

Marko

‘I mean technically speaking you’d only see pressing where the ball is and the camera follows the ball so I’m not sure that’s true.’

But you can’t see the if the team is set ready for the press, you can’t see the trigger for the press, if off screen, you can’t see players supporting the press or if they arent.

To argue that you dont get a limited perspective on the game is pretty limited thinking in itself.

Danialtos

‘Yep Ole was prime Pep on here a few months ago, now he is the village idiot. With friends (or fans) like this who needs enemies’Bamford the only one who went overboard with his Ole praise but that’s hardly a surprise.

This coming from the very same guy who rated Mauricio Pochettino as a top 5 manager in world football…someone who only has an Audi Cup to his name lol

raptora

How hilarious is that you are trying to convince a player to extend his contract by sending him on loan IN HIS LAST YEAR to a coached by Toni Pulis WBA. One of Albion’s coaches commented Serge’s problem in his WBA time: “I think for him it’s an adjustment to a different style of play and a different culture to what he’s used to at Arsenal and his national team. They are used to having 60/65 per cent possession of the ball. At a Premier League club of our size you’re not going to have that as much. It’s adapting… Read more »

Valentin

Normski, With statement like “I mean technically speaking you’d only see pressing where the ball is and the camera follows the ball so I’m not sure that’s true.” And our favourite Irish postman shows he does not understand the concept of pressing. Gegen-pressing is not about just pressing the Ball carrier, it is also about blocking the pass option and making sure that whoever receives the pass is boxed in or can only make a backward pass. In order to be effective you need to have players strategically placed near the opposition. So yes you need to have the full… Read more »

Normski

Marko

So nothing that he said in his statement was dishonest them.

You assuming parts of the story, that you are also filling the blanks in, doesn’t make it dishonest now does it?

Nothing was factually dishonest so why try make it out that way?

It’s almost like you get a hardon when a certain pensioner is mentioned.

Marko

To argue that you dont get a limited perspective on the game is pretty limited thinking in itself.

To argue that you can only do tactical analysis unless you’re at the game or your analysis is somewhat diminished unless you’re in the stands is pretty ridiculous I think. They literally have cameras and angles for everything and you’re assuming that said individual at the stand can see all clearly which is probably not the case.

Danialtos

WasiOctober 8, 2019 19:18:25 No way Edu or Raul are behind the Ozil saga imo. We hired Emery as head coach and if he is not given the power to even pick his team then what is he here for . It’s definitely Emery the tinker man . Let’s say this is true…so why hasn’t he been sacked yet because we can’t pretend that Raul/edu aren’t aware of this ozil madness so it’s only two ways…either Raul/edu aren’t happy with Emery’s banishing of ozil or emery is doing it with their blessing…and if he wasn’t we all know raul doesn’t… Read more »

HighburyLegend

“and I think that Bayern manipulated behind the scenes”

Coming from Arsène Wenger… just lol.

Normski

Marko ‘To argue that you can only do tactical analysis unless you’re at the game or your analysis is somewhat diminished unless you’re in the stands is pretty ridiculous I think’ I never once said this and nobody is arguing this. Keep up Marko we’re talking about pressing and the fact you are limited to what you can see on the TV whereas you’re not in the stadium. Pretty simple stuff. Are you actually telling me you have the same POV as someone in the stadium as you do on your pikey live stream??? Some people are that stupid they… Read more »

Marko

So nothing that he said in his statement was dishonest them.

Again the dishonesty comes from alluding to his leaving being part of a manipulation from Bayern and him not taking any responsibility for what happened. Post injury and post West Brom loan he was right back to reserve football. Who knows what might have been had Wenger given him a handful of appearences instead. Maybe if he gave him some the opportunities he gave to Iwobi or Walcott at the time things might have been different

Marko

you are limited to what you can see on the TV whereas you’re not in the stadium.Pretty simple stuff. Again you’re taking it for granted that say Bob for example has a great position in the stands that he is tall that he can see everything that there wasn’t a massive man in front of him and that he doesn’t get distracted. I’m not necessarily buying it off hand that because Bob was at the game that he saw things tactically that someone watching sky didn’t pick up on. It’s all assumptions. Plus worth noting Bob follows the action just… Read more »

Champagne charlie

The dishonesty comes in Marko’s “analysis” of a quote and in attributing blame where he sees fit – thus creating a Marko-fact.

He’s also not the brightest bulb so worth ignoring on a number of things. My recent fave was how I apparently defend Wenger on everything because:

‘he is the absentee father I wish I had’

Let that sink in if you want a brain cell or two deadened. 😆

Normski

Marko

‘ you’re assuming that said individual at the stand can see all clearly which is probably not the case.’

Speaking form experience you can. You’d know this if you ventured to games and put your hand in your pocket once in a while.

Home games either stand side or either end you can see EVERYTHING.
Away games you’re always standing but you can still see EVERYTHING.

Unless you have bought a restricted view ticket (a one off maybe) or you’re about 5″2 then get on the front row or stay at home.

Danialtos

Off topic….Wayne Rooney’s wife and Vardy’s wife beefing because Rebekah vardy has been leaking fake info about Colleen to The Sun.

Marko

Can’t let one go

Normski

Marko

‘Again you’re taking it for granted that say Bob for example has a great position in the stands that he is tall that he can see everything that there wasn’t a massive man in front of him and that he doesn’t get distracted.’

Are you typing this with a straight face? Jesus Christ. You’re actually being serious.

Im not taking anything for granted Bob goes to the game, can see the game and isnt 3″4. Im sure Bob can see enough of the game to make an assessment of our pressing.

Please just stop now.

Marko

Im not taking anything for granted Bob goes to the game, can see the game and isnt 3″4. Im sure Bob can see enough of the game to make an assessment of our pressing.

And so can someone watching it on TV so can a pundit. You think when Neville and Tyler are doing matches they’re just looking out from a likely far better view point than your average fan? No they’re literally watching monitors because they have every angle covered.

Normski

Marko

So nothing he said in his statement was dishonest. Thank you for confirming that.

‘Plus worth noting Bob follows the action just like the camera does.’

Tell you’re a muppet with things like this. Did you ever just follow you favourite player for a few minutes, ever follow a player that plays in your position, or watch how the back line/team is set up when the ball is up the other end?
No didn’t think so.

Im sure Bob enjoys the nuances of the game too. Be like Bob don’t be like Marko.

Champagne charlie

Marko you’ve done nothing but make banal Wenger chat for days, then comically get your back up when you’re dismissed for it.

If I apparently can’t let one go, what does that say for the special character dropping quote after quote about him randomly. Put the shovel down

Marko

Tell you’re a muppet with things like this. Did you ever just follow you favourite player for a few minutes, ever follow a player that plays in your position, or watch how the back line/team is set up when the ball is up the other end? No didn’t think so. 😀 Ah yeah you get plenty of people just looking at their favourite player for a bit or watching the defence when your team is on the attack. Makes sense that. Don’t make out like you didn’t start this whole thing off as a way to diminish Bamford’s opinion on… Read more »

Wenker-wanger

@ Bamford..
I’ve witnessed you getting a lot of bullying..
Just tell them keyboard plastic warriors to fck off.

Marko

Charlie he’s in the news it seems fair game to talk about him bullshiting his way through another day so no it’s not random. The problem is how someone makes a negative comment on him and you can’t just not get involved. It’s scary. As I said before if he wasn’t talking and out front and center on the camera spouting shite you probably wouldn’t get people talking about him but alas his narcissism doesn’t allow it. But you’re right banal chat for days let’s talk about Emery.

Normski

Marko you’ve done nothing but embarrass yourself and I’ve indulged your stupidity long enough. Blandford doesnt and didnt have a better perspective of the pressing than Bob who was at the actual game. Ever heard of this thing called ‘the bigger picture’. ‘Ah yeah you get plenty of people just looking at their favourite player for a bit or watching the defence when your team is on the attack. Makes sense that.’ You have an inability to absorb what people are actually saying and try to score cheap points by arguing semantics like at 14.42. When we have the ball… Read more »

Wenker-wanger

Let’s talk about how great robin van persie was for us….just laser sharp dynamite in his boots…
Oh yeah some fans think he is Judas.
Haha….
Hint…. What’s Wenger’s role in that transfer.???????

Graham62

What have I missed?

Having a go at Wenger again?

Surely not.

The thing is with that subject, it’s never ending.

Those that don’t like it, or, should I say, can’t accept it, have to understand it’s an important part in our clubs history.

Champagne charlie

Marko

Yea you keep offering that up hoping if you say it enough it’ll become a fact, that’s not actually how it works though. Instead it’s just been a steady stream of you making nonsense remarks about Wenger, getting laughed at for it, then trying to defend yourself claiming I’m the one at the ready.

Clueless doesn’t begin to cover it.

Mysticleaves

Yea. Saw that Coleen Rooney tweet. It’s kinda creepy though, why would Rebeka be doing that? To what gain?

Also, Wenger never did even near enough to keep Gnarby. I can’t remember when the lad played that he didn’t perform. Even if he didn’t perform, he looked like he belonged with the seniors. That’s major talent. But for some reason he was stuck with reserve football. I also heard around that time that Wenger only offered him a new deal prior to the Olympics.

Marko

Graham apparently everytime he says something we should just ignore it. Not comment on it. Last point on the old ball bag but the funny thing is about what he says these days is it’s usually about players not signed and players we lost and there’s nothing more infuriating than that. Because you’re reminded about his bad decisions and what he left us with and it makes you think about what might have been. Those things are worthy of criticism even now despite how it makes others feel.

Champagne charlie

“Those that don’t like it, or, should I say, can’t accept it, have to understand it’s an important part in our clubs history.“

So were the titles and the unbeaten season, is that getting a walk down memory lane too? Oh no, just idle throwbacks at calling Wenger a useless cunt, inspiring stuff.

But apparently chat about our current manager is banal.

Mysticleaves

I think we have to go back to last Wenger season before we can count 10 assists for Ozil in the PL Like I said, unless he deserves it on the training field, I hope he never plays for Arsenal again.

azed

“Ceballos is not better than Ozil. He’s literally the Anti-ozil so far. Does a lot of dancing and shakes and movements but without the assists.”

Ceballos has already gotten the same number of assists as Ozil last season..

For all this talk about Ozil being the king of assists is more myth than facts because Ozil has only gotten double digits assist in one or two seasons at Arsenal.

Marko

You’d have to explain what nonsense was said about Wenger. But I’d rather you not. In fact I’d rather see you occasionally let a random Wenger insult or criticism go without your anus tightening. That would be nice. It’d also be nice if you let what Bamford says go once in a while and went back to ignoring me. But then what would you do around here? Oh that’s right comment on Receding exclusively then.

Bob N16

Just to clarify, I am of average height, I am in the lower tier, back row and I am in line with touch. Obviously my view is poor when the action is at the Clock End but alternatively I have a great view when Arsenal are attacking in the second half. Often I would be able to see the action more clearly if I was watching on tv, which I do for away games. However as Normski as clearly explained, by being at live matches you are your own Director. Whether that means you focus on one player or you… Read more »

Mysticleaves

I wish I had the privilege of attending live Arsenal matches. Or watching every other team play each week for 90mins. It’s just that, a privilege. (The second part is joblessness).

HighburyLegend

“Oh yeah some fans think he is Judas.”

Just because he left for Manure, almost for free, and gave them the PL title on a plate ?? Naaaahhhhhh….

Wenker-wanger

Wenger was a limited manager…incredibly average and so lucky to inherit a powerful set of players with a spirit that endured beyond the retirement of those players.
Wenger squandered talent post 2005 like a drunk pissing away his wages.
Yeah a cunt…if you define that word as people outstaying their welcome and unable to do the honourable thing for the greater good of the fans.

Wenker-wanger

Wouldn’t you want to win the prem?
10 years with a fcking blockhead manager like Wenger?
So you’d stay with Wenger’s sinking ship?
Does your missus like you’re lack of ambition?

Marko

Often I would be able to see the action more clearly if I was watching on tv, which I do for away games. Thank you Bob. You can argue about whether my interpretation is wrong but not that attending live games doesn’t give you a greater feel, insight if you will, of how the team is playing, is set up and how individuals are contributing. Of course but at the end of the day it’s still an opinion and whether you were at the game or not it still stands as an opinion. I wouldn’t necessarily give it more credence… Read more »

azed

Ozil

2018/19 24 appearances, 5 goals, 2 assists
2017/18 26 appearances, 4 goals, 8 assists
2016/17 33 appearances, 8 goals, 9 assists
2015/16 35 appearances, 6 goals, 19 assists
2014/15 22 appearances, 4 goals, 5 assists
2013/14 26 appearances, 5 goals, 9 assists

The idea that Emery somehow miss treated Ozil last season is a figment of Pierre’s imagination.
Appearances and goals are similar the only difference is the assist numbers and they have been dropping since 2015/16 which going by Ozil’s record was an exception and not the rule.

Rambo Ramsey

The only way Marko will have $$$ in his pockets is if his mum lends him some. So a trip to London is out of the question. The poor lady must have a hard enough time feeding this fat cvnt.

Mysticleaves

Wenker, I agree to some extents. Wenger gave me very good vibes. infact I only knew him as coach of Arsenal and we played a lot of beautify stuffs and won trophies but in hindsight, you can say he was an average coach. Cos he had the capacity to achieve much more but just couldn’t . Even pre new stadium wahala

Champagne charlie

Marko you’re another of these numpties throwing stones in glass houses, what the fuck do you do on here day in day out exactly that elevates your input above mine?

I’ll go stick the kettle on for that whopping load of shit for an answer.

Wenker-wanger

Cheers ased…at last some facts on ozil….Wenger’s coveted luxury player.

Marko

Mystic I agree. People like Bob Marc and Stroller who attend religiously are to be admired.

Wenker-wanger

@ mystic..
Glad you can take some opinion that not entirely matches yours…respect.

Normski

Marko

‘In fact I’d rather see you occasionally let a random Wenger insult or criticism go without your anus tightening.’

The sentence itself is a joke and sums you up really.

Why do you feel the urge/need to insult the man? Does it make you feel better inside? Does it make your own shit life seem better for a split second?

raptora

New post btw.

Marko

that elevates your input above mine?

Elevates? Never said it did. When you start talking about nonsense this and dribbly that it’s sometimes worth pointing out your own commentary and what it mostly is. Don’t be so sensitive.

Wenker-wanger

Take it from me….We have the beginnings of a very good team now….Emery is a 7/10 manager….to put that into perspective klopp would be 9/10 plus….pochetino 5/10…now…..lampard will be 9/10…..(get yr early money on England manager within 4 years…),
The xhaka thing has been explained as a captain vote which he won in which no one else really wanted it.
So a leader is what we require, to which Xhaka would not be needed.
Until then we appear to be hamstrung.
Emery cannot drop the captain can he?

Wenker-wanger

Normalized,
Do you actually know what an abacus is?
Or are you a mobile phone addict that only knows what you’re weird ring of texty pals tells you?
It’s no point explaining that a manager that had lost one game..to Liverpool(champions League winners). Is therefore worthy of a 7/10 is it…
Go on facts not text messages from fantastics lost in a weird matrix world.

Un na naai

Mongo 1) I never said he want a despot I said it’s questionable wether or not the chemical attack in question was commuted by him you dick head 2) why don’t you stop? Charlie and normski have made you look the utter fool you are all afternoon but you can’t stop digging. Here’s an idea. Why don’t you actually go to an arsenal game for once in your life rather than making smug unbased assertions from your Dublin post office? Just once. It’s not like you’re in Calcutta. You’re an hour away by plane. Easy. Unless you’re a sour nihilistic… Read more »

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