Pepe debate RAGES

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‘Move bitch, get off the plane, get off the plane bitch, get off the plane’

Was humming this as an old lady struggled to pull her heavy bag out of the overhead bin. Total nightmare wait, but I was amused by the internal soundtrack to the debacle.

You know what else amuses me? Watching Arsenal fans online. What a bunch of weirdos.

I love that after 10 years of mostly arguing over a single topic, we now create our own weekly subgroups of fandoms and anti-fandoms to get our fix of viciously polarised debate.

PEPE IS GREAT BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS vs PEPE IS GERVINHO WITH BETTER HAIR, the latest great issue polluting the websites.

Am I above this charade? Absolutely not.

I find it staggering that anyone is writing him off after 7 games. Dennis Bergkamp, our greatest ever big name signing was so bad, Alan Sugar claimed he wouldn’t wash his car with his shirt and he was a waste of money (did I make up the car washing thing?).

Thierry Henry had a shaky start to his career until he fizzed a screamer from 22 yards out at The Den. Freddie Ljungberg scored on his debut against United, but be honest, he was a mess in front of goal for at least a year. Then he found magic with the maturing Dutchman mentioned above. Even Bobby Pires, an absolute dream of a player, looked well off the pace during his maiden season. He was weak, he was unsuited to the league and it was tough to work out how a 6ft+ winger was going to adapt. I remember Wenger saying he’d be like Zidane and laughing to myself very quietly (AKBs were like Corbynistas on 2019 Twitter back in the day).

Pepe, or Pete as Sky fondly nicknamed him, is 24 years old, he’s come over from a slower league, and he’s trying to adjust to a new culture and language. It is rare that a talented player settles into a bad system immediately. I do not think we have to worry just yet. He’ll find his magic eventually.

The other thing I’ve noticed that is mildly amusing is reading the safe people of the Arsenal internet present concern about Emery as a risky opinion.‘You know what, I’m going to say it, something ain’t quite right about Unai’

Well I’ll be damned. Folk that took until late 2017 to determine Wenger might not make the much promised come back to the top, have sussed the new coach might not be up to snuff and they want to project it like a first to market notion.

So many of the people we lean on in the Arsenal community for sound direction on the club are almost always entirely off base, but because they deliver a bad narrative with ‘balance,’ they’re passed off as must-read intellects that know their stuff. I call it right and even my own friends don’t let me round their houses for prematch beers. It’s a disgusting injustice.

I guess yah just have to live with it.

Someone is going to write a highly intellectualised book about Arsenal internet one day and it’ll sell bundles. When you sit down with people and talk it through, it is actually weirdly fascinating. Remember QOS in the comments here? Told people on ACLF that I was phoning her home and abusing her kids? Remember the cucks feigning concern because they were talking to an actual woman? Her husband added me on LinkedIn! Turned owut it was a man with an online alter ego (his wife’s). That’s epic. Simply magnificent. Still not sure whose kids I was talking to.

Just kidding. I knew whose kids they were.

How about Arsene Wenger? Picking up an award I’ve never heard of. Begging for a job on LinkedBeIN.com. Complaining that people had expectations of him.

“Every year people want something more from you. I experienced that at Arsenal. We were twenty consecutive years in the top four but in the end it was not enough anymore. Today if you get into the Champions League people are very happy.”

It’s sad to read. A man who was earning £190k a week, complaining about expectations. I think he’s holding out for a major job, but no one is biting. The oligarchs and sheikhs have wised up and despite his prestige as a man, he really sullied his football rep by clinging to power like a deluded despot. He should have quit in 2008, taken a New York sabbatical, toured around some modern clubs, taken notes, then rebirthed at a big club when he had some of that 2004 sheen about him.

Knowing when to exit is one of the finest qualities a man can possess.

On that fine note, I’m tapping tf out.

Why don’t we reminisce about the weirdos of Arsenal Internet today?

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  1. Un na naai

    Bamford10October 9, 2019 10:55:13
    To add to what I said above, our chance creation will improve not only with the addition of Tierney and Bellerin to the XI but also as the first XI players grow more comfortable in their roles and with one another. This is all still relatively new, and many of these players are still relatively new (to one another, to the XI, to the system).

    Yeah because the wingers we’ve added or £250m strike force doesn’t work without tierney and Bellerin does it?

    Heard all this shit for the last year and half

    He needs his players
    He needs wingers
    He needs to cut the dross
    He needs time

    He needs more time
    He needs full backs

    And round and round the goal posts go with you Bamford.
    How can we take you seriously? It was only yesterday you claimed that Pepe can’t dribble and that he’s useless in tight spaces only to get laughed at and have to concede again.

    And here you sit in judgment of the importance of the views of others and even our greatest ever manager!?!

    What a numpty

  2. Bamford10

    One piece of good news for Le Grove is that the two grievances which motivate Pierre — Wenger and Ozil — will likely dissolve in the next 12-24 months. When we move on from Emery, Pierre will have far less reason to reflexively criticize the manager, especially if the new manager is a stylist and gets us playing stylish football. And when we finally move Ozil on, even Pierre will eventually have to stop talking about him. Hopefully. If he continues to talk about how we are missing Ozil long after he is gone and long after Emery is gone, someone will need to take Pierre to see a professional.

  3. Un na naai

    we have Ceballos and he is a better option at this time than Ozil.

    Bamford. Based on what? Hardly an assist machine thus far is he? Assists aside he’s not even improving our attacking play so on what basis can you say he’s the better option?

  4. Bob N16

    Bamford, there have been times this season while watching the team live, where I’ve noticed individuals e.g. Guendouzi have pressed and have turned around in exasperation as no one else is pressing. This reminds of when Sanchez used to react in the same way.

    My point is that to say we’ve improved at pressing doesn’t mean much as it is from a very low base. If that is the game we want to play, I think Emery will have to look very hard at who he’s selecting to enable that game plan.

    Where we have looked better, during cup games, it’s been where the players selected have had energy, athleticism and a collective work rate.

    To avoid repeating myself and naming names, until Emery chooses a line up capable of pressing opponents, the idea that he wants to play this system is false.

  5. Normski

    Blandford

    What will it take for you to finally fuck off with your irrelevance and distinct lack of understanding of our game?

    Just asking for a friend.

    You have admitted you rarely watch anything other than Arsenal highlights (not even live games ffs)so what qualifies you as some football sage? No US domestic teams/league knowledge, no european teams/league knowledge and most definitely no English football knowledge and the vast domestic pyramid below the Prem and everything that comes with it like the culture and the lifestyles of the people involved with it.

    You sir, not anyone else, need to seek professional help.

  6. Bob N16

    On balance I would agree that Ceballos is a better bet than Ozil. Ceballos is on an upward curve, his enthusiasm to get on the ball and desire to play is obvious. He has shown signs of real class, including playing for Spain where he looked top quality although he has struggled at times when the midfield has misfunctioned.

    Ozil on the other hand is not only dealing with an apparent decline over a couple of years, it appears he has fallen out of love with the game. I’m sure the way he retired from international football has added to this malaise. When he played well, Ozil was one of the most delightful footballers I have ever seen playing for Arsenal. This amplifies the sadness that I see now, a player disinterested, looking unloved and surely on his way out in January.

    Ceballos before Ozil for me.

  7. Bamford10

    Bob

    You need to re-watch the first half of Bournemouth, for a starter. Your point about pressing is way, way off.

  8. Un na naai

    Bam running scared of addressing questions on the idiotic points he made.
    Quick bam, better brush up on a few more YouTube videos before your next reply.

    #BamLivesMatter

  9. Un na naai

    Bam

    So your assertion that we’ve improved our pressing game is based on 35 mins against Bournemouth??

    Riiiiiight

  10. Bamford10

    Normski

    No idea what you’re talking about. I watch every Arsenal match and have been doing so for twelve years. I watch a lot of other teams and leagues as well, and I’ve been watching football religiously for some three decades.

    I am no sage, but of course, I’ve never said or implied that I am.

    As for “your game,” I can’t tell if you mean the English game alone — does such a thing even exist any more in a thoroughly-globalized world? — but the game in general doesn’t belong to anyone. Not the English, not the Brazilians, not the French, not the Italians, not the Argentinians. The game belongs to everyone on the planet who loves it.

    Please drop the jingoistic nonsense. If I’ve said something that you think is wrong, say what it is. The rest is simply abuse and bullying.

  11. Bamford10

    Don

    No, I have been noting how much better our pressing is for some time now. The first half of Bournemouth is as good a display of this as any, though, so it makes a good place to start.

  12. Bob N16

    No Bamford, as someone who has the opportunity to watch the game live, I have the opportunity to choose where I focus my attention. In my opinion, our pressing game is patchy at best.

    Much as I have obsessed about Arsenal for over forty years, I don’t rewatch games.

    I’m trying hard to not take offence as you already get major stick from loads of other posters but to say I’m’ way, way off’ is slightly irritating! I’d advise you to tone it down.

  13. Bamford10

    Bob

    If by “patchy,” you mean “good in one half, not great in the other,” well, I agree with that. But the question is then: why do we turn it off in second halves? Is this done on Emery’s instructions? Is this done out of fatigue, or out of complacency? I don’t know.

    If by “patchy,” you mean “disorganized and not great when we are clearly trying to press,” I disagree. And the first half against Bournemouth is a good example of how and why that simply is not true.

    I apologize if you were irritated by my saying that you were “way off,” but no one’s opinion here is some sacred cow that everyone has to tip-toe around. People tell each other their opinions are “way off” all of the time.

    Cheers.

  14. Valentin

    Anybody else is worried by Mourinho sniffing around the Spurs job?
    I doubt that Levy would hire him as a long term manager, but a 18 months contract to help guarantee Champion’s League football could be an option.
    That could spectacularly backfire but that could also be the catalyst for them making the final step into big club contender rather than pretender.

  15. raptora

    Legit laughing my ass off at the current conversation happening above my comment.

    The moment I read “I’ve been watching football religiously” made me almost choke to death. It didn’t feel complete as it was missing the other trademark phrase – “student of the game”. Hopefully next time he’ll correct the mistake of not adding it somewhere in there.

  16. Bob N16

    Both your definitions of patchy apply. Disorganised, not pressing as a team. How can you explain the exasperation shown by a player who is pressing, on realising that he is on his own?

  17. Nelson

    Human behavior is not science. It is very difficult to understand. I believe I understand Emery much more than Ozil.

    For Emery, he is fighting to keep his Job. He wants to copy the Pool’s system. The midfield is for pressing and defense. Chance creations will be from FB and winger. He’ll use all available resources as long as they train hard and is suitable for his system. All the discussions about Ozil were initiated by the fans and the media. For him, he would rather have the fans shut up and let him do his job. I can see that his system will be more solid playing away from home. I predict that his team can get into top4.

    For Ozil, he is rich, has a big salary, has a comfortable life in London. He is only 30 years old. He can still perform if he wants. He is not slow. He has very good technique. I don’t know what he is thinking. He is already out of the German national team. Whether he still has ambitions to be a footballer adored by the fans. I am sure he is capable to adapt to Emery’s system. Whether he feels like doing it for Emery or for the Arsenal fans. I don’t understand Ozil.

  18. Un na naai

    Bam

    Our pressing has been awful this season.
    What have you been watching? We out two central midfielders wide to cover full backs
    There is no press outside of first half vs Cherries

  19. Chris

    Valentin

    I have read elsewhere today that Allegri allegedly is also lying in wait for Man Utd to dismiss Solskjaer. It is in the tabloids, could all be a load of rubbish. I wouldn’t worry about it until it is a reality.

    Also read a while back that Southgate was being considered as a long term replacement, when Pochettino was considering leaving in the summer.

  20. Bamford10

    raptora

    I get it. You think my language is pompous and self-important. You know what? You might be right. I will try to drop this kind of language from my comments going forward. I’m not going to moderate my views, though. Cheers.

  21. Distant legrover

    3 titles (could have been 6 if injuries permitted), 7 fa cups, community shields, undefeated season, champagne football that i ve only seen 1 team match consistently, Barcelona. Yet people act like Wenger is Moyes.

  22. Bob N16

    I think my overreaction to your way, way off comment is that I feel I have positively name checked you Bamford., when I feel your posts have deserved support and have been attacked.

    I’m not expecting acknowledgement but when you come out with your ‘way, way off’ comment, to a view of someone is able to enjoy the perspective of a live match and the insight that allows, being so dismissive is slightly provocative.

    Any way off lunch, peace and love.

  23. bennydevito

    Un nai,

    Good post about Labour and my support of Syria. Agree pretty much but don’t share your difference between men and women. So many of the men have already been killed.

    Thing is with Syrians is that they’re quite different to many other immigrants and asylum seekers. It’s only a better life here because of what Assad has done back home. Syria was a rich affluent country with free education right up to University. Nit many Syrians came here before 2011.

    Get rid of Assad and every single Syrian would return home in a heartbeat. I wish the far right would realise this and be more vocal in supporting the removal of Assad and be a little more trusting of them.

    They’re so grateful to be here and love England because it has a culture as old as Syria’s. They’re not all Muslims either, I know many Christian Syrians too who are in awe of our fabulous churches.

    I used to be a huge Islamaphobe until I made friends with Syrians and learnt about true Islsm rather than westernized fear propaganda spouted by the likes of Yaxley Lennon.

    Anyway, enough of that. Back to football.

  24. HighburyLegend

    “Anybody else is worried by Mourinho sniffing around the Spurs job?”

    Anybody else is concerned by Arsène sniffing around the Lyon job?

  25. bennydevito

    ValentinOctober 9, 2019    12:06:53

    Anybody else is worried by Mourinho sniffing around the Spurs job?
    I doubt that Levy would hire him as a long term manager, but a 18 months contract to help guarantee Champion’s League football could be an option.
    That could spectacularly backfire but that could also be the catalyst for them making the final step into big club contender rather than pretender.

    >>>>>

    Yep, me too. Thought exactly the same thing. Don’t want him here but don’t want him there either.

    It’s a conundrum for sure.

  26. Bamford10

    Distant

    I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. As for why Ceballos doesn’t have a ton of assists at the moment, this has a lot to do with the positions he is taking up, the positions he is forced to take up. Ceballos has great vision and is an excellent passer, but much of his best work so far has been 30 – 40 yards from goal rather than 18 yards from goal. The reason Ozil’s assist stats were what they were — and let’s acknowledge that Ozil didn’t do all that much last season or the previous — is because he generally would hang out 18-24 yards from goal and lob balls into the box. Ceballos does not have that luxury, and the spaces in which he most frequently finds himself for Arsenal are 30-40 yards from goal.

    If anyone has any doubts about what Ceballos can do in the final third, however, they need only look at this assist for Spain from the last international break:

    “Class: Arsenal man Dani Ceballos produces superb pass in build-up to Paco Alcacer goal for Spain”

    https://talksport.com/football/598032/arsenal-dani-ceballos-spain-romania/

  27. Normski

    Blandford

    I watch every Arsenal match and have been doing so for twelve years. WRONG

    I watch a lot of other teams and leagues as well. WRONG

    I’ve been watching football religiously for some three decades. WRONG

    I am no sage, but of course, I’ve never said or implied that I am. WRONG

    Stop with the bullshit please. You started following The Arsenal just over 10 years ago after 20 years deliberating on which team to follow so excuse me if I don’t listen to some internet johnny come lately ‘fan’.

    You have the cheek and temerity to tell a season ticket match going supporter he’s ‘way off the mark’ regarding pressing yet you can see everything on your laptop? Pull the other one you salad.

  28. Distant legrover

    Howdy Granit,
    Remember when you said you would be taking a month off when your Missus gives birth ? Well it’s that time buddy. So I guess I won’t see you in the team until at least November 9th ? Thank you brother.

    Signed
    This fan.

    P.S You can extend the one month into 2, after all the baby needs her father and we Arsenal fans feels you have earned the extended leave.

  29. Champagne charlie

    “No, I have been noting how much better our pressing is for some time now. The first half of Bournemouth is as good a display of this as any, though, so it makes a good place to start.“

    No idea who can make such a remark with a straight face. “Some time now”? Give us a game that underlined our improved pressing.

    One half against Bournemouth is now a “good place to start” some 45 or so games into a managers league tenure? Seriously?

    Glad we’re getting the absolute basics started after 45+ games, hats off to Emery for such a speedy turnaround in fact.

  30. Bamford10

    Normski

    Actually, all of those things are accurate and true.

    As for what I said to Bob, I stand by it, and I reject the idea that people watching from inside the stadium have an intrinsically superior perspective to those watching on TV.

    Yes, there are things they can see and hear that those of us watching on TV cannot, but it doesn’t follow from that that the person in the stadium always sees the game better, always has a better take on what is happening in a game or in a team. That’s just not true. There are a thousand examples of this, and if you were right, everyone here would always have to defer to whomever was at the match. No one here does this, and for good reason.

    Cheers.

  31. Graham62

    Pierre

    Look at 99% of the posts on here.

    There is no “groundswell of opinion”

    The only thing that is swelling up is your ego.

    Keep hitting your head against the wall.

  32. raptora

    Valentin,
    The moment Poch leaves is the moment spuds drop from the top 4 long term imo. They will remain a top 6 team for a while but probably more Everton level and less City and Liverpool.

    Mourinho appointment would maybe shake the staleness in the squad but I’m not sure it will be enough to revive their season.

    Imo they are doomed as I just cannot imagine how they are going win in the situation involving Eriksen, Vertonghen and Alderweireld. These 3 have been core players for number of years now and it’s one – very hard to find players of similar talent; and two – it’s going to cost them a fortune.

    Then comes the biggest problem of it all. Would Kane stay in a club that is with an uncertain future around it? Would Kane stay in a club that will be without their talisman manager, their best CB pairing and their most industrious AM? Cause the moment that Kane is gone it’s over. And I think that he won’t stay if all of the above happens.

    My fear is that some of this spuds core are going to go to Manure and try to accomplish something in a much powerful club. Imagine Poch + Kane + Eriksen all going to Manure. It sounds fearsome.

  33. Freddie Ljungberg

    Still harping on about Ozil? Get over it, he’s the past and we need to move on from his ineffectual displays and his bloated wage.

    Guendozi has been voted Arsenal player of the month, fully deserved and has been more influental than Ozil in 1 month than Ozil has been in the last 18 months. He’s the future of that midfield. Compliment him with a Sangare and Szoboszlai and we’re laughing. Every chance for Willock to be a part of that too, we need more than 3 top class midfielders, at the moment we have 0 but plenty of potential.

    Nelson injured for a month, it’s a shame because he probably needed a couple of more europa league matches to build confidence and get over his timidity. He’s probably behind Saka and Martinelli talent wise but no reason why he can’t become an Iwobi level squad player for us/ we cash in in a year or 2.

  34. Marko

    “We tried to extend his contract for a very long time and I think that Bayern manipulated behind the scenes, that if he went to Bremen he would join Bayern after,” he told beIN Sports.

    Add tried to extend to nearly signed as Arsene sub groups. Anyone expecting him to become honest once he left is left disappointed.

    Anyway back to Emery.

  35. Normski

    Blandford

    Where have you ‘seen’ Ceballos play to make him the heir apparent to Ozil?

    Never watched a Betis game, rarely if ever would you watch Real unless it was a classico and I guarantee you never watched Spain u21s this summer.

    I actually think he’ll be an excellent player and he does look the business when I’ve watched him playing for the teams above but for you to hype him up so early and prematurely ejaculate over yet another player (could be team or manager with you) is embarrassing when you’re not even basing on the proven historic performances but on 80 minutes against Burnley at home.

  36. raptora

    Bamford,
    What I wrote wasn’t meant to critisize you in any way. It’s that these two phrases have become part of the folklore of this place. The only reason that made me laugh is cause I’ve read them a lot of times. Keep being yourself.

  37. Valentin

    Chris,

    Yes I read it as well that during the summer Levy was considering Southgate as a replacement for Pochettino. Personally I don’t think that Southgate is a good enough manager. Nice guy, but found wanting at Middleborough and at international level. England run at the 2018 World Cup was build on set-pieces rather than good play. As soon as they encounter teams full of players with good technique, they were found wanting: Croatia, Belgium.

  38. Sid

    “Get rid of Assad and every single Syrian would return home in a heartbeat.”
    Assad is not the problem just like saddam wasnt and gaddafi wasnt but its a football blog lets move on.

  39. Normski

    Blandford

    ‘As for what I said to Bob, I stand by it, and I reject the idea that people watching from inside the stadium have an intrinsically superior perspective to those watching on TV.’

    Let’s just stick to the pressing before you worm your way around the original point.

    Bob has a superior perspective regarding pressing to those watching on TV as he can see the whole pitch not just a small portion of the pitch. Yes or no?

  40. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Nice. I appreciate that. I am going to try to drop some of my aristocratic phrasing, though. It irks some people, and it’s a bad habit I should have gotten rid of a long time ago anyways. Cheers.

  41. Valentin

    Raptora,

    I would not be so definitive on Spurs. Pochettino successor could find a few gems in their academy, we know nothing. That would really really the troops.
    Before his big break, nobody was really rating Kane. Kane is not a player with one marvellous attribute but he is good at every aspects.
    Also the French League and Belgium league are full of talented players Spurs could entice at a reasonable price.
    They are not Everton or ManUtd basket case with a scattergun approach to recruitment.

  42. Normski

    Marko

    Wenger
    “We tried to extend his contract for a very long time and I think that Bayern manipulated behind the scenes, that if he went to Bremen he would join Bayern after,”

    ‘Add tried to extend to nearly signed as Arsene sub groups. Anyone expecting him to become honest once he left is left disappointed.’

    What exactly is dishonest about the statement?

    You seem like a sad little man that get’s his kicks from trying to take cheap shots at a well respected and charismatic man giving HIS version of events. You lack the intelligence to comprehend the most basic of principles so its unsurprising that you think your version of events is the correct one. Lack of self awareness is astounding.

    The fact you try play to a particular crowd here is what’s more pathetic.

  43. Marko

    Bob has a superior perspective regarding pressing to those watching on TV as he can see the whole pitch not just a small portion of the pitch. Yes or no?

    I mean technically speaking you’d only see pressing where the ball is and the camera follows the ball so I’m not sure that’s true.

  44. Marko

    What exactly is dishonest about the statement?

    The dishonesty comes I believe from the whole tried to do everything in his power to keep Gnabry bit that he alludes to and the not taking any personal responsibility for losing such a talent. He left because of a lack of game time and didn’t see any opportunities coming his way which is understandable. Had Wenger shown some faith in him we’d probably still have on our books one of the best young wingers in Europe. Same with Malen.

    The fact you try play to a particular crowd here is what’s more pathetic.

    Very quickly Normski dog pile on Bamford or bring up how shit Emery is.

  45. Un na naai

    Benny

    Don’t you think we’ve interfered in the Middle East enough already? Look at what the removal of despot rulers has caused already with Iraq and Gadaffi in Libya. It’s not our place to spread “democracy” around the world. Think it’s time the west buts it’s nose out.

    And no. For me it’s lone children first, then families. Single men should be staying and trying to bring their country round. If we all fled in the 1940s then the U.K. would be a nazi annex.

    I understand fathers wanting to leave with their children but for me if it happened here I’d gladly ship my wife and kids off if it gave them safety and fight for my home to be restored

  46. Un na naai

    MarkoOctober 9, 2019 13:45:31
    Also Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people so he is absolutely the problem.

    Did he though? Questionable.

  47. Sid

    MarkoOctober 9, 2019 13:45:31
    Like the time they told us about WMDs in Iraq, but its a football blog lets keep it football

  48. Champagne charlie

    I’ll play the role of Pedro here, can folk veer away from political discourse and keep it sporty/light if you’ve little to say about Arsenal?

    Ignorant footy chat is one thing, reading a mongs guide to international relations is all the more painful.

  49. Marko

    I mean it’s questionable if you’re retarded. For everyone else Assad is a war criminal and has committed atrocities on his own people. It’s probably questionable to you because you clearly would prefer they stay in their own country and having to admit that they’re dealing with chemical warfare would probably go against that. Just leave it Don no one wants to go down this road with you least of all. Shame there’s not a points system for chlorine induced.

  50. Normski

    Marko

    ‘I mean technically speaking you’d only see pressing where the ball is and the camera follows the ball so I’m not sure that’s true.’

    But you can’t see the if the team is set ready for the press, you can’t see the trigger for the press, if off screen, you can’t see players supporting the press or if they arent.

    To argue that you dont get a limited perspective on the game is pretty limited thinking in itself.

  51. Danialtos

    ‘Yep Ole was prime Pep on here a few months ago, now he is the village idiot. With friends (or fans) like this who needs enemies’Bamford the only one who went overboard with his Ole praise but that’s hardly a surprise.

    This coming from the very same guy who rated Mauricio Pochettino as a top 5 manager in world football…someone who only has an Audi Cup to his name lol

  52. raptora

    How hilarious is that you are trying to convince a player to extend his contract by sending him on loan IN HIS LAST YEAR to a coached by Toni Pulis WBA. One of Albion’s coaches commented Serge’s problem in his WBA time:

    “I think for him it’s an adjustment to a different style of play and a different culture to what he’s used to at Arsenal and his national team. They are used to having 60/65 per cent possession of the ball. At a Premier League club of our size you’re not going to have that as much. It’s adapting and understanding what he’s got to do without possession and functioning as part of a defensive unit. That’s really the learning curve for Serge.”

    Gnabry thought about coming back to Arsenal and decided against it cause clearly only clueless people would do what they did.

    Wenger in the last 5 years of his tenure couldn’t recognize talent if it hit him in the face. Yaya Sanogo comes to mind. He was given more chances than Gnabry. Imagine that for a banter.

  53. Valentin

    Normski,

    With statement like
    “I mean technically speaking you’d only see pressing where the ball is and the camera follows the ball so I’m not sure that’s true.”

    And our favourite Irish postman shows he does not understand the concept of pressing. Gegen-pressing is not about just pressing the Ball carrier, it is also about blocking the pass option and making sure that whoever receives the pass is boxed in or can only make a backward pass.

    In order to be effective you need to have players strategically placed near the opposition. So yes you need to have the full view of the pitch to better observe the overall team movement.

    That’s why most TV broadcaster offer something referred as tactical cam. That is the view that in UK pundits are given access to analyse the game in real time and after the game. It is a wide angle view of the entire pitch that gives people a better perspective of what is happening.

  54. Normski

    Marko

    So nothing that he said in his statement was dishonest them.

    You assuming parts of the story, that you are also filling the blanks in, doesn’t make it dishonest now does it?

    Nothing was factually dishonest so why try make it out that way?

    It’s almost like you get a hardon when a certain pensioner is mentioned.

  55. Marko

    To argue that you dont get a limited perspective on the game is pretty limited thinking in itself.

    To argue that you can only do tactical analysis unless you’re at the game or your analysis is somewhat diminished unless you’re in the stands is pretty ridiculous I think. They literally have cameras and angles for everything and you’re assuming that said individual at the stand can see all clearly which is probably not the case.

  56. Danialtos

    WasiOctober 8, 2019 19:18:25
    No way Edu or Raul are behind the Ozil saga imo. We hired Emery as head coach and if he is not given the power to even pick his team then what is he here for . It’s definitely Emery the tinker man .

    Let’s say this is true…so why hasn’t he been sacked yet because we can’t pretend that Raul/edu aren’t aware of this ozil madness so it’s only two ways…either Raul/edu aren’t happy with Emery’s banishing of ozil or emery is doing it with their blessing…and if he wasn’t we all know raul doesn’t fuck around Emery would have been long gone by now

  57. Normski

    Marko

    ‘To argue that you can only do tactical analysis unless you’re at the game or your analysis is somewhat diminished unless you’re in the stands is pretty ridiculous I think’

    I never once said this and nobody is arguing this. Keep up Marko we’re talking about pressing and the fact you are limited to what you can see on the TV whereas you’re not in the stadium.

    Pretty simple stuff.

    Are you actually telling me you have the same POV as someone in the stadium as you do on your pikey live stream???

    Some people are that stupid they dont deserve an opinion.

  58. Marko

    So nothing that he said in his statement was dishonest them.

    Again the dishonesty comes from alluding to his leaving being part of a manipulation from Bayern and him not taking any responsibility for what happened. Post injury and post West Brom loan he was right back to reserve football. Who knows what might have been had Wenger given him a handful of appearences instead. Maybe if he gave him some the opportunities he gave to Iwobi or Walcott at the time things might have been different

  59. Marko

    you are limited to what you can see on the TV whereas you’re not in the stadium.Pretty simple stuff.

    Again you’re taking it for granted that say Bob for example has a great position in the stands that he is tall that he can see everything that there wasn’t a massive man in front of him and that he doesn’t get distracted. I’m not necessarily buying it off hand that because Bob was at the game that he saw things tactically that someone watching sky didn’t pick up on. It’s all assumptions. Plus worth noting Bob follows the action just like the camera does.

  60. Champagne charlie

    The dishonesty comes in Marko’s “analysis” of a quote and in attributing blame where he sees fit – thus creating a Marko-fact.

    He’s also not the brightest bulb so worth ignoring on a number of things. My recent fave was how I apparently defend Wenger on everything because:

    ‘he is the absentee father I wish I had’

    Let that sink in if you want a brain cell or two deadened. 😆

  61. Normski

    Marko

    ‘ you’re assuming that said individual at the stand can see all clearly which is probably not the case.’

    Speaking form experience you can. You’d know this if you ventured to games and put your hand in your pocket once in a while.

    Home games either stand side or either end you can see EVERYTHING.
    Away games you’re always standing but you can still see EVERYTHING.

    Unless you have bought a restricted view ticket (a one off maybe) or you’re about 5″2 then get on the front row or stay at home.

  62. Danialtos

    Off topic….Wayne Rooney’s wife and Vardy’s wife beefing because Rebekah vardy has been leaking fake info about Colleen to The Sun.

  63. Normski

    Marko

    ‘Again you’re taking it for granted that say Bob for example has a great position in the stands that he is tall that he can see everything that there wasn’t a massive man in front of him and that he doesn’t get distracted.’

    Are you typing this with a straight face? Jesus Christ. You’re actually being serious.

    Im not taking anything for granted Bob goes to the game, can see the game and isnt 3″4. Im sure Bob can see enough of the game to make an assessment of our pressing.

    Please just stop now.

  64. Marko

    Im not taking anything for granted Bob goes to the game, can see the game and isnt 3″4. Im sure Bob can see enough of the game to make an assessment of our pressing.

    And so can someone watching it on TV so can a pundit. You think when Neville and Tyler are doing matches they’re just looking out from a likely far better view point than your average fan? No they’re literally watching monitors because they have every angle covered.

  65. Normski

    Marko

    So nothing he said in his statement was dishonest. Thank you for confirming that.

    ‘Plus worth noting Bob follows the action just like the camera does.’

    Tell you’re a muppet with things like this. Did you ever just follow you favourite player for a few minutes, ever follow a player that plays in your position, or watch how the back line/team is set up when the ball is up the other end?
    No didn’t think so.

    Im sure Bob enjoys the nuances of the game too. Be like Bob don’t be like Marko.

  66. Champagne charlie

    Marko you’ve done nothing but make banal Wenger chat for days, then comically get your back up when you’re dismissed for it.

    If I apparently can’t let one go, what does that say for the special character dropping quote after quote about him randomly. Put the shovel down

  67. Marko

    Tell you’re a muppet with things like this. Did you ever just follow you favourite player for a few minutes, ever follow a player that plays in your position, or watch how the back line/team is set up when the ball is up the other end?
    No didn’t think so.

    😀 Ah yeah you get plenty of people just looking at their favourite player for a bit or watching the defence when your team is on the attack. Makes sense that. Don’t make out like you didn’t start this whole thing off as a way to diminish Bamford’s opinion on pressing because he wasn’t at the game.

  68. Wenker-wanger

    @ Bamford..
    I’ve witnessed you getting a lot of bullying..
    Just tell them keyboard plastic warriors to fck off.

  69. Marko

    Charlie he’s in the news it seems fair game to talk about him bullshiting his way through another day so no it’s not random. The problem is how someone makes a negative comment on him and you can’t just not get involved. It’s scary. As I said before if he wasn’t talking and out front and center on the camera spouting shite you probably wouldn’t get people talking about him but alas his narcissism doesn’t allow it. But you’re right banal chat for days let’s talk about Emery.

  70. Normski

    Marko you’ve done nothing but embarrass yourself and I’ve indulged your stupidity long enough.

    Blandford doesnt and didnt have a better perspective of the pressing than Bob who was at the actual game. Ever heard of this thing called ‘the bigger picture’.

    ‘Ah yeah you get plenty of people just looking at their favourite player for a bit or watching the defence when your team is on the attack. Makes sense that.’

    You have an inability to absorb what people are actually saying and try to score cheap points by arguing semantics like at 14.42. When we have the ball you’re not really doing any pressing, when we don’t its important to see how we are set up to engage when we lose the ball.

    You are as basic as they come.

  71. Wenker-wanger

    Let’s talk about how great robin van persie was for us….just laser sharp dynamite in his boots…
    Oh yeah some fans think he is Judas.
    Haha….
    Hint…. What’s Wenger’s role in that transfer.???????

  72. Graham62

    What have I missed?

    Having a go at Wenger again?

    Surely not.

    The thing is with that subject, it’s never ending.

    Those that don’t like it, or, should I say, can’t accept it, have to understand it’s an important part in our clubs history.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Yea you keep offering that up hoping if you say it enough it’ll become a fact, that’s not actually how it works though. Instead it’s just been a steady stream of you making nonsense remarks about Wenger, getting laughed at for it, then trying to defend yourself claiming I’m the one at the ready.

    Clueless doesn’t begin to cover it.

  74. Mysticleaves

    Yea. Saw that Coleen Rooney tweet. It’s kinda creepy though, why would Rebeka be doing that? To what gain?

    Also, Wenger never did even near enough to keep Gnarby. I can’t remember when the lad played that he didn’t perform. Even if he didn’t perform, he looked like he belonged with the seniors. That’s major talent. But for some reason he was stuck with reserve football. I also heard around that time that Wenger only offered him a new deal prior to the Olympics.

  75. Marko

    Graham apparently everytime he says something we should just ignore it. Not comment on it. Last point on the old ball bag but the funny thing is about what he says these days is it’s usually about players not signed and players we lost and there’s nothing more infuriating than that. Because you’re reminded about his bad decisions and what he left us with and it makes you think about what might have been. Those things are worthy of criticism even now despite how it makes others feel.

  76. Champagne charlie

    “Those that don’t like it, or, should I say, can’t accept it, have to understand it’s an important part in our clubs history.“

    So were the titles and the unbeaten season, is that getting a walk down memory lane too? Oh no, just idle throwbacks at calling Wenger a useless cunt, inspiring stuff.

    But apparently chat about our current manager is banal.

  77. Mysticleaves

    I think we have to go back to last Wenger season before we can count 10 assists for Ozil in the PL Like I said, unless he deserves it on the training field, I hope he never plays for Arsenal again.

  78. azed

    “Ceballos is not better than Ozil. He’s literally the Anti-ozil so far. Does a lot of dancing and shakes and movements but without the assists.”

    Ceballos has already gotten the same number of assists as Ozil last season..

    For all this talk about Ozil being the king of assists is more myth than facts because Ozil has only gotten double digits assist in one or two seasons at Arsenal.

  79. Marko

    You’d have to explain what nonsense was said about Wenger. But I’d rather you not. In fact I’d rather see you occasionally let a random Wenger insult or criticism go without your anus tightening. That would be nice. It’d also be nice if you let what Bamford says go once in a while and went back to ignoring me. But then what would you do around here? Oh that’s right comment on Receding exclusively then.

  80. Bob N16

    Just to clarify, I am of average height, I am in the lower tier, back row and I am in line with touch. Obviously my view is poor when the action is at the Clock End but alternatively I have a great view when Arsenal are attacking in the second half.

    Often I would be able to see the action more clearly if I was watching on tv, which I do for away games.

    However as Normski as clearly explained, by being at live matches you are your own Director. Whether that means you focus on one player or you focus on team shape, as well as following the ball, it allows an insight that is not possible if you’re watching on a live feed.

    You can argue about whether my interpretation is wrong but not that attending live games doesn’t give you a greater feel, insight if you will, of how the team is playing, is set up and how individuals are contributing.

    For example the other day I enjoyed following Martinelli when he was at my end ( sounds a bit off), ‘player cam’- great movement, footwork, work rate. I can also appreciate how the team moves in relation to each other.

  81. Mysticleaves

    I wish I had the privilege of attending live Arsenal matches. Or watching every other team play each week for 90mins. It’s just that, a privilege. (The second part is joblessness).

  82. HighburyLegend

    “Oh yeah some fans think he is Judas.”

    Just because he left for Manure, almost for free, and gave them the PL title on a plate ?? Naaaahhhhhh….

  83. Wenker-wanger

    Wenger was a limited manager…incredibly average and so lucky to inherit a powerful set of players with a spirit that endured beyond the retirement of those players.
    Wenger squandered talent post 2005 like a drunk pissing away his wages.
    Yeah a cunt…if you define that word as people outstaying their welcome and unable to do the honourable thing for the greater good of the fans.

  84. Wenker-wanger

    Wouldn’t you want to win the prem?
    10 years with a fcking blockhead manager like Wenger?
    So you’d stay with Wenger’s sinking ship?
    Does your missus like you’re lack of ambition?

  85. Marko

    Often I would be able to see the action more clearly if I was watching on tv, which I do for away games.

    Thank you Bob.

    You can argue about whether my interpretation is wrong but not that attending live games doesn’t give you a greater feel, insight if you will, of how the team is playing, is set up and how individuals are contributing.

    Of course but at the end of the day it’s still an opinion and whether you were at the game or not it still stands as an opinion. I wouldn’t necessarily give it more credence cause as you say sometimes you would see the action more clearly on TV. I certainly wouldn’t dismiss one’s opinion cause they weren’t at the game as opposed to at the game and neither would you Bob cause you’re not a cunt

  86. azed

    Ozil

    2018/19 24 appearances, 5 goals, 2 assists
    2017/18 26 appearances, 4 goals, 8 assists
    2016/17 33 appearances, 8 goals, 9 assists
    2015/16 35 appearances, 6 goals, 19 assists
    2014/15 22 appearances, 4 goals, 5 assists
    2013/14 26 appearances, 5 goals, 9 assists

    The idea that Emery somehow miss treated Ozil last season is a figment of Pierre’s imagination.
    Appearances and goals are similar the only difference is the assist numbers and they have been dropping since 2015/16 which going by Ozil’s record was an exception and not the rule.

  87. Rambo Ramsey

    The only way Marko will have $$$ in his pockets is if his mum lends him some. So a trip to London is out of the question. The poor lady must have a hard enough time feeding this fat cvnt.

  88. Mysticleaves

    Wenker, I agree to some extents. Wenger gave me very good vibes. infact I only knew him as coach of Arsenal and we played a lot of beautify stuffs and won trophies but in hindsight, you can say he was an average coach. Cos he had the capacity to achieve much more but just couldn’t . Even pre new stadium wahala

  89. Champagne charlie

    Marko you’re another of these numpties throwing stones in glass houses, what the fuck do you do on here day in day out exactly that elevates your input above mine?

    I’ll go stick the kettle on for that whopping load of shit for an answer.

  90. Normski

    Marko

    ‘In fact I’d rather see you occasionally let a random Wenger insult or criticism go without your anus tightening.’

    The sentence itself is a joke and sums you up really.

    Why do you feel the urge/need to insult the man? Does it make you feel better inside? Does it make your own shit life seem better for a split second?

  91. Marko

    that elevates your input above mine?

    Elevates? Never said it did. When you start talking about nonsense this and dribbly that it’s sometimes worth pointing out your own commentary and what it mostly is. Don’t be so sensitive.

  92. Wenker-wanger

    Take it from me….We have the beginnings of a very good team now….Emery is a 7/10 manager….to put that into perspective klopp would be 9/10 plus….pochetino 5/10…now…..lampard will be 9/10…..(get yr early money on England manager within 4 years…),
    The xhaka thing has been explained as a captain vote which he won in which no one else really wanted it.
    So a leader is what we require, to which Xhaka would not be needed.
    Until then we appear to be hamstrung.
    Emery cannot drop the captain can he?

  93. Wenker-wanger

    Normalized,
    Do you actually know what an abacus is?
    Or are you a mobile phone addict that only knows what you’re weird ring of texty pals tells you?
    It’s no point explaining that a manager that had lost one game..to Liverpool(champions League winners). Is therefore worthy of a 7/10 is it…
    Go on facts not text messages from fantastics lost in a weird matrix world.

  94. Un na naai

    Mongo

    1) I never said he want a despot I said it’s questionable wether or not the chemical attack in question was commuted by him you dick head

    2) why don’t you stop? Charlie and normski have made you look the utter fool you are all afternoon but you can’t stop digging.
    Here’s an idea. Why don’t you actually go to an arsenal game for once in your life rather than making smug unbased assertions from your Dublin post office? Just once. It’s not like you’re in Calcutta. You’re an hour away by plane. Easy. Unless you’re a sour nihilistic postal worker.