Emery struggles to motivate a performance, again

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I watched the Arsenal game in New Orleans in a great bar call Finn McCool’s. I am very hungover right now. So bear with me kids.

We’re now into October and Unai Emery has only managed one decent performance this season, that was against a Championship side.

On the face of it, you can boldly look at the on-paper situ and say that we’re sitting in 4th, we’re ahead of two of our main rivals in the race for top 4, and we’re excited about some of the kids.

Or you could be a miserable but realistic person and realize that there are only 3 points between 4th and 11th, our main rivals are in deep transition / we’ve not taken advantage of their woes, and the kids are the only exciting thing because the rest of the squad hasn’t really shown up.

At the core of our problems is our beta manager. Unai Emery went to Old Trafford, a team West Ham bossed, and played with fear again. His midfield lacked ambition, he basically rolled with three holding midfielders, opting to push LT into a more advanced position he really can’t play. Xhaka is Xhaka, you know what you’re going to get and it’s always a different variant of beige. We all love Matteo, but he can’t do it all himself. I really felt for the attack, Auba was dropping into our own penalty box at times to create for the forward players. Petit summer up the side he picked.

‘It sends negative signals by picking 3 defensive midfielders against a team there for the taking’

We went a goal down, there were 9 Arsenal players behind the ball when McTominay fizzed a shot that Xhaka ducked. It was quite startling to be down to a side that’s been so inept this season, but not surprising, we give wind to any club in any sort of crisis. Xhaka ducking a header? Not shocking.

We clawed one back in VAR circumstances. Saka slipped Aub into the box with a lovely first-time pass, the finish was an arrogant little dink, but the linesman called it offside. VAR overturned the decision. De Gea looked like he’d broken the unwritten rule… play on regardless of what you see with you eyes and hear with your ears. The VAR ruled the goal legitimate.

Saka was the one bright spot in a game of darkness. He’s electric, he moves the ball with purpose, he’s extremely bright and he delivers. If we’d spent £80m on him this summer, we’d all be purring right now. What a bright future this guy has.

The rest of the game was pretty grim to watch. The manager tried to spice up our attack with the introduction of  Ceballos. I’m not sure it heavily altered the dynamic, though it did give us a bit more purpose.

We chased the win late on by bringing Reiss Nelson on for the dismal Nicolas Pepe. The Ivorian superstar looked utterly lost once again. He has some lovely flashes, but he has no clue what he’s doing in the Emery system. He’s a lost his sparkle, he needs a goal, I also think he needs a hug, the guy looks very, very miserable.

1-1 was a fair result, but once again, it was a poor one given the context. What made it worse was the glee on Emery’s face, like he’d just taken Sevilla to Barca and nicked a point. It’s so meek.

I’m no fan of Mesut Ozil, but in a game as bad as that, he’d be handy to open up opportunities. The manager named him in his 5 captains, then dropped him from the squad. What does that say about your emotional intelligence as a coach? How do your rationalise that sort of thing? What does that message look like to the other players? It’s farsical considering how little magic was on show yesterday. As someone comically said yesterday, Emery would prefer to play a defensive midfielder as a #10.

Long and short of it. We couldn’t take advantage of Spurs when they were in freefall. We couldn’t take advantage of an OGS mess. We’re in 4th place, sure, but the reality is we’re not playing like a top 4 team and the hangover from last season has carried through. We are a very average team. Some fans aren’t paying attention to the performances becasue they don’t think the table lies. I have news for you, the table always lies, if you didn’t learn that last season during our 22 game unbeaten streak, I feel for you. Emery hasn’t moved us forward, he doesn’t know how to build a defensive structure, his approach to attack is painfully one-dimensional, and worst of all… the players don’t look like they enjoy playing his system.

We’re holding out for Tierney and Hector to save Emery’s vision, the same way many fans were holding onto the idea that buying wide players would make his style tick. It’s fantasy stuff. We were supposed to be hiring in a magician who could work with the tools he was given, we got a one-dimensional manager with less tricks up his sleeve than Wenger. The only thing that’s flexible is his indecision. The only thing that’s visionary is the belief that there’s a good player somewhere in the world of Xhaka. The only thing exciting are the moments of individual magic some of our talent can pull off inspite of the manager.

We hired in asset stripper, the asset he’s selling off is footballing joy and he’s utterly ruthless at it. Unai Emery doesn’t want to have a specific style. He just wants to crawl through each game and take the points any way he can. It’s like watching a mid-table team bar fight after 12 beers. He’s a bad pragmatist, he doesn’t believe in anything, so we’re always going to look confused. We get by at the moment because we have good players, or more to the point, we have an Auba.

That’s not a sustainable model. It didn’t work last season, I have my doubts it will this year. The only thing we’re hopeful of is that Chelsea, Spurs and United continue to be works of transition. That’s such a miserable outlook considering how good some of the talent is.

… but this is us for the forseeable. I can’t see the club doing anything unless things go really badly, we’re just going to aim for 4th and hope the manager finds some sort of rhythm.

A disappointing result, but par the course for Emery.

 

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  1. Dark Hei

    “297 comments, & the words Kroenke & Son aren’t mentioned once!”

    After netting us Nicholoas Pepe? We aren’t that entitled you know.

  2. Graham62

    Heard through the grapevine that Ericksen slept with Vertonghens wife. Massive split in Spuds dressing room.

    Oh well, off to work.

  3. Ivan

    Gobergooner

    Yes, team behind manager is doing better, but Emery is failing and will be replaced.

    Only issue is most of us hoped that Emery would fair a bit better than he is.

    I was never fan of mid season sacking but would be quite ok if Freedie took reigns till the end of this season when there is still time to salvage smh.

    This Xhaka fiasco cemented Emery’s destiny.
    Bet Emery has some problems with social skills so Xhaka is used as his voice in dressing room.

  4. raptora

    Pierre is back with his agenda driven bs. I agree with what you say. But where was this when it was Wenger instead of Emery, and the team was regressing year after year infront of our very eyes. Individually and collectively. Yet, for you, it was never Wenger ruining them. It was always someone else, something else…

    – Gibbs was supposed to be our new Ashley Cole.

    – Ramsey and Wilshere were supposed to be Lampard and Gerrard level of talent. Walcott could have been Sterling before even Sterling came on the scene.

    – Chambers was to be our John Terry. 18 starts (22 apps) in the EPL season 2013/14 with Southampton, aged 18, finishing the season in 8th place with the 6th best defense in the league, better than 2nd placed Pool and 6th placed spuds. Fantastic talent at the time. Ruined by Wenger.

    – Lucas Perez came after a 17 goal season in La Liga just so Wenger can use him in the EPL for 265 mins total. That’s less than 3 games.

    – Arshavin regressed massively under Wenger.

    – Mustafi was considered a top talent in his Valencia days. Ruined by Wenger’s lack of defensive shape or organization.

    – Chambo, a massive talent in his teens, ran away of Wenger after he saw that he would never be given a chance to play in midfield and Wenger was moving him everywhere around the pitch but where Chambo was best.

    – Gnabry wanted an escape because he knew how talented he is and he knew that his talent is going to waste under Wenger.

    – Elneny has regressed. I remember his game at Nou Camp where he scored. Guy was literally everywhere. His record EPL starts in 1 season is 11.

    – Xhaka. Where to start with Xhaka. He could have been regarded much better in the football society if he had chosen not to come to Arsenal and being coached by a person who thought he was buying a box-to-box midfielder…

    I could keep on going.

    I guess you were critisizing Wenger at the time when players were regressing under him. Oh wait. You weren’t.

  5. Danialtos

    I wonder why the resident poch lovers are avoiding a poch discussion today,because trust me if poch had scrapped a 3-2 win,Legrove would be full of a pochettino wankfest,which always makes me sick.I mean,Emery is not pulling up any trees let’s not lie,but for people to come here day in day out and hail the Argentine as some sort of genius is nauseating, especially considering he has won sweet f*ck all.Even a finished Wenger delivered 3 facups ffs..So I ask again,what has the manager of our bitter rivals done to warrant so much space and love on here among Arsenal fans?

  6. Pierre

    Gobbygooner
    “It was 100% called out before Wenger even left that akbs wouldn’t give whoever the new man was a chance.
    Bunch of cunts”

    Let’s say the new manager came in and

    improved us defensively
    impro ved us in midfield
    improved us offensively,
    Made us more balanced
    Made us more disciplined.
    Improved performances on the pitch.

    It would be a little silly not to give the new manager a chance wouldn’t it.
    That’s what we all wanted when Wenger left …..improvement.

    Just because some of us recognised Emery’s failings earlier than those who used to staunchly defend him, doesn’t mean we didn’t want to give the new manager a chance , it means we happen to be more perceptive than others .

    Anyhow, reality is now sinking in so instead of being aggressive towards fans who were more perceptive than you, maybe it would be more wise to vent your ire at the person/people who can improve Arsenal football club.

  7. raptora

    LoLzzz. Of course that I will add mr Ozil in the list. Considered the best CAM in the world, he came to Arsenal and became a joke of a player. It happened under Wenger. All of it. Ozil was gradually declining as a player and Wenger is recorded saying as feeling sorry that he wasn’t harsher with him. I remember we were laughing when someone said he’d rather have Eriksen than Ozil. Few years down the line and that guy was 100% right. We could have had a KdB level of talent and instead we got a always sick, part-footballer god gamer more invested in promoting his brand than playing well on the pitch. All of it happened under the close inspection of Wenger.

  8. HighburyLegend

    Pierre will soon make a porn, available on the You Tube adult channel.

    With Arsène and Mesut. Threesome.
    The hardcore fans are warned.

  9. Dark Hei

    “Heard through the grapevine that Ericksen slept with Vertonghens wife. Massive split in Spuds dressing room.”

    Google says it is the other way round.

    Holy cow.

    That is one way to orchestrate an exit from the club.

  10. Pierre

    Jim
    “Christ.. Spurs lost 7-2 at home last night and we are back onto Wenger..”

    The obsessives can’t help themselves can they.

    Always the same when one points out (correctly)the deficiencies of our present manager.

  11. raptora

    Pierre: “reality is now sinking in so instead of being aggressive towards fans who were more perceptive than you”

    Spoken by a guy who finally wanted Wenger to leave 5-8 years after his expiration date. Super perception. Yes!

  12. raptora

    Pierre,
    It’s the grandeur that you are making statements like the one above that is hillarious. Now you see the manager’s fault but for years and years it was anything else but. It’s hillarious and sad at the same time. Same way you are excusing Ozil in EVERY possible way. You do you though.

  13. Guns of Hackney

    How did vertonghen and eriksons wife even get it on? Seriously. These stories are such BS.

    The logistics for even doing this don’t work.

    Anyway, nothing wrong with chucking it up another man’s wife.

    “If they are taking care of business, I’d be out of business”

  14. shaun ellis

    that is the whole point the whole setup is doing a lot better and showing real ambition but the current manager is not and is not going to . That said the defensive new boys should improve the defense slightly but the lack of improvement in the defensive team structure is the most concerning from a man who is supposed to be religious about tactics .We have seen zero improvements in the defense, if anything we are getting worse and that is just not acceptable .Can we please stop the Arteta foolishness .Arsenal deserve a proven top class manager or at the very least an experienced manager .It seems Raul has a plan but unfortunately that probably means letting Emery seeing out the two years . A blind man should be able to get this Arsenal team into the to four and that is his remit which I think will happen

  15. Dissenter

    If Harry Kane moved to a club where he wasn’t the designated penalty taker, his goal scoring numbers will drop precipitously.
    I can imagine his representatives insisting on inserting that clause into his contract when he leaves spurs; Harry Kane will be the designated penalty taker.
    I’m sick of watching him tuck away weak penalties and celebrating like he scored the goal that won the World Cup.

  16. Dissenter

    Yesterday should have just been about Spuds and their drubbing led by a young gooner who’s still happy to stick it to them
    Instead Pierre made it about Emery and then some stupidly started bashing Wenger to spite Pierre.

  17. Jamie

    Pierre October 1, 2019 23:59:34

    Jamie and Marko…

    You will have to accept the fact that Emery is not worth defending anymore ….

    So still no evidence of me defending Emery after he tanked the run-in and EL Final last season?

    Just a single quote will do, I’ll wait.

    Shameful you need to make shit up to try to score points on an anonymous blog, but hardly surprising. You’re prepared to lie to everyone here about your age in the hope that strangers will respect your commitment to a football club, it’s no wonder you’re prepared to lie about who is ‘still defending Emery’.

    Your game is as weak as Ozil’s.

  18. UTarse

    We missed out on guardiola when the senile fraud refused to budge, hopefully Stan won’t make the same mistake twice, Allegri is a free agent and waiting for one of Manure / Arsenal / Spuds to snap him up.

    Let us pray.

  19. Jim Lahey

    No word on Pochettino not being exactly what a lot of people on here expected him to be?

    Not a single trophy to his name and people throw around terms like “elite”. Oh I’m sure both Real Madrid and United will be in for him again this summer just like they apparently have been the last few seasons!

  20. HighburyLegend

    “hopefully Stan won’t make the same mistake twice”
    You mean Josh ?? Stan still don’t give a shite of Arsenal.

    “No word on Pochettino not being exactly what a lot of people on here expected him to be? ”
    3 words : SPICE POCH SAUCE.

  21. Jim Lahey

    @UTarse –

    “We missed out on guardiola when the senile fraud refused to budge,”

    Guardiola would have never come to Arsenal, the man only picks clubs where he is guaranteed to win. Either the club has unlimited resources or is the only team in the league, he isn’t going to go somewhere where he doesn’t have a clear advantage over the rest of the league.

  22. raptora

    It was actually a bit different by the way. You and the rest of AKBs had already written off Emery or whoever was to be our new manager. So when Emery is proving that he is not up to the job, it’s not you being visionary or “perceptive”. It’s you and the rest, being negative from day 1, day 2 and so on, with no proof of what would really happen. And now that is obvious that Emery is not good enough, and it couldn’t be obvious till now because of many, many reasons, you take advantage of your agenda. The agenda being that Wenger was doing a good job until the last 1 or 2 seasons. He wasn’t. And being surpassed by spuds when we had much more money and we had much more quality in the years before, it ALL happened under Wenger’s. The whole decline happened under Wenger.

    As bad as Emery is according to you, and he is bad, declining players regressing left and right, he still had, in every possible way, a more successful season than Wenger’s last. Yet you were not nearly as vicious towards Wenger like you are to Emery.

    So pipe down with the pesceptive bs.

  23. HighburyLegend

    “Guardiola would have never come to Arsenal, the man only picks clubs where he is guaranteed to win. ”

    Correct. But what about Arteta ?? (this one’s for Pedro…)

  24. UTarse

    Jim Lahey,

    I guess we’ll never find out if he would or wouldn’t have come but I’m sure I read at the time he was on a sabbatical that Arsenal was a very interesting proposition to him should the job have become available.

  25. Normski

    Marko

    ‘Yeah he refused to sign an extension because game time wasn’t forthcoming because the previous 3 seasons he was rarely used’

    Over coming a career threatening knee injury tends to limit your game time. Usual flat earthing bullshit for you again.

  26. TitsMcGee

    “Guardiola would have never come to Arsenal, the man only picks clubs where he is guaranteed to have a chance win. ”

    Fixed it for you.

  27. Normski

    Jamie

    ‘Your game is as weak as Ozil’s.’

    Haha that’s rich le grove’s very own beta male talking about male weakness.

  28. Bojangles

    This one’s for the Poch fans,

    “Boris Johnson offers Mauricio Pochettino job as new Brexit secretary. ‘Nobody can get us out of Europe faster than this guy!’ explains the Prime Minister”

  29. TitsMcGee

    – Mustafi was considered a top talent in his Valencia days. Ruined by Wenger’s lack of defensive shape or organization.”

    Love your work but Mustafi was always an average player and I am a “Die Mannschaft” fan.

  30. Valentin

    Raptora,

    What is hilarious is you giving people grand observation about football when according your previous comment Ashley Young was playing left back and Tzuanzebe right back. Like you said basic knowledge indeed…

    Yet according to most people eyes it was the opposite. Here is an extract from Football365 about the game.

    33-year-old converted winger Ashley Young featuring at right-back, centre-half Axel Tuanzebe making his second Premier League start at left-back

  31. Jamie

    Normski is Pierre’s alt trying to establish himself as the Alpha of le-grove.

    Sad. Are you using a VPN to create this 2nd account so Pete doesn’t notice it’s you, Pierre?

  32. Pierre

    Jamie
    Back off a bit …

    It’s getting a little bit weird your obsession about me and your smutty little comments.

    I have as much right as anyone on here to give my opinions about the club and I will continue to do so…

  33. Jamie

    Pierre –

    “I have as much right as anyone on here to give my opinions about the club and I will continue to do so…”

    Doubling-down on your straw man arguments. Show me where I’ve ever said you don’t have a right to share your opinions about the club.

    You really should stop trying to attribute comments to me that I haven’t made. Or quote me directly and we can talk.

  34. Pierre

    There you go Jamie

    “JamieOctober 1, 2019 23:48:42
    Poor lad is absolutely obsessed with Ozil. Looking up his highlight reel with a sock in hand before bedtime.”

    Now stop embarrassing yourself Jamie..I could probably find a 100 similar comments from you if I could be arsed .

  35. Bamford10

    Pierre

    “Just because some of us recognised Emery’s failings earlier than those who defended him …”

    Except that you didn’t. And any review of your supposedly insightful criticisms of Emery will reveal this clearly. For example, one of your main criticisms was that he was “mistreating” Mesut Ozil. Except that he wasn’t; he was treating Ozil exactly how any demanding top manager would’ve treated him, and Ozil was never the key to our improvement anyways; he was part of the problem and should have been sold.

    So, no.

  36. Guns of Hackney

    Going in to bat for Pierre.

    After last season and we lost to both Liverpool and City, both myself and Pierre immediately stated that Emery was not up to the task.

    Fast forward and I feel vindicated.

    Sometimes you just know when something isn’t working out.

  37. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Mesut Ozil of 2019 wouldn’t have helped us one iota the other night. Indeed, his being in the XI would have resulted in our having 10 1/2 players on the pitch. Yes, we could have used a better central midfield, but Ozil is no solution to our problems. Pedro occasionally gets things wrong, and he was wrong to say in his post that Ozil could have helped. Now, Mesut Ozil of 2010 could have helped. Sure. But the world hasn’t seen that Mesut Ozil for years and years now, and the reasons for this can be found in Ozil’s fragile psychology, not in Unai Emery’s work at Arsenal. Ozil was floundering long before Emery arrived.

    In truth, if Emery had started Willock over Xhaka and played either Willock or Guendouzi in the advanced role, we would have been better the other night.

    Yes, Emery is getting things wrong, but that doesn’t mean your (or anyone else’s) diagnosis of what he is getting wrong is correct. Yours definitely isn’t.

  38. Champagne charlie

    “Yes, Emery is getting things wrong, but that doesn’t mean your (or anyone else’s) diagnosis of what he is getting wrong is correct. Yours definitely isn’t.“

    Awfully rich coming from someone that claims us organised, and much more so than under Wenger.

  39. TR7

    Pierre’s analysis of everything related to Emery has been spot on and of high quality from the very beginning. He is one of the best contributors here. He sees the game unlike many others who just follow the theme of the day/week like a herd of sheep. Like theme of this week on Le Grove is ‘Emery out if he plays Xhaka’ as if that were the only problem with Emery.

  40. bennydevito

    Wrong! Guardiola DID want to come to us.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2880831/pep-guardiola-wanted-to-join-arsenal-before-moving-to-bayern-munich-but-arsene-wenger-decided-to-sign-new-deal/

    He also did his preparation for his coaching badges at Arsenal and stayed at Arsenal for a week as Wenger’s guest studying Arsenal’s tactics and video analysis. I can’t find the story on that precisely but remember it in the papers.

    “The Spaniard also began preparation for his coaching badges at Arsenal and has an affinity with the north London club and its manager.”

    https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1487221-pep-guardiola-alerts-epl-clubs-after-revealing-desire-to-coach-in-england.amp.html

    We could have had Guardiola, Gazidas had him lined up but Wenger wouldn’t step down. This was when he still had full control and Stan’s ear.

    Think how many more PL titles and CLs we could have had.

  41. Ray in LA

    Ben D: Poch has not become less coherent, he has frequently been hard to fathom — but with the team falling apart he is not being given the benefit of the doubt 🙂

  42. Bamford10

    Shaun

    “A blind man should be able to get this Arsenal team into the top four …”

    I agree that Emery is not doing well enough, but the above simply isn’t true.

    United and Tottenham are not doing well at the moment, but both have good squads — better than ours or equal to ours — and both will likely right the ship and compete for top four by season end.

    Additionally, Leicester City are better than some here realize; they have a good starting XI as well a manager who knows how to get results in the PL; they’re a good team.

    And West Ham are better than some here realize as well.

    Yes, Emery has the players to contend for top four; our players, however, are not so good that a “blind man” should be able to finish top four with them. Not at all, not even close.

    I noticed this last season too, but some people here are guilty of thinking that Arsenal players are better than Leicester City players, or Wolves players, or West Ham players, simply because they play for Arsenal. This is nonsense. Some of these other clubs have built good squads and have good players. And some of our players are not as good as they should be and not as good as some of you imagine.

    Just because a player plays for Arsenal doesn’t mean he’s better than his counterpart at Leicester, West Ham or Wolves, and it definitely doesn’t make him better than his counterpart at a young and still-finding-itself United.

    So, no to the narrative that “a blind man” should be able to finish top four with this squad.

    None of which is to say that I think Emery should stay beyond May or even beyond December. If he continues to start Xhaka, he should be replaced in January.

  43. Bamford10

    TR7

    Nice dishonest post. One, many of us who see Xhaka as a problem know full well that there are other issues in the team and other issues with how Emery sees things.

    Two, other than thinking Emery had wronged Ozil — he didn’t, he hadn’t — what astute points has Pierre made about Emery’s approach? Please detail.

  44. Danny

    can be found in Ozil’s fragile psychology, not in Unai Emery’s work at Arsenal.
    ——————-
    I again return for the 100th time to last seasons home match against Leicester which is so far our best match since Emery arrived and this was all due to an amazing match by Ozil. So why did Emery drop him not long after that match instead of keeping the momentum going by encouraging Ozil to continue as he played that day?

  45. TR7

    Victorious

    ‘Guy is a closet spuds,hopefully he gets binned anytime he comes out with poch being a top3 manager in the world,no one here deserves to go through the pain of witnessing such idiotic opinion.’

    I don’t mind people mocking me for my opinion on Poch but you of all the people should not pretend to be a super fan of Arsenal. You have wished for Arsenal to lose games, so it’s pretty rich coming from you calling me a closet Spurs fan.

  46. Rambo Ramsey

    Its clear that this Emery issue has become an ego thing for Mr.Bamford.J.

    One of the loudest anti-Wenger voices constantly parroting out the ‘Its all on Wenger’ line.

    ‘Everthing wrong with Arsenal had everything to do with Arsene Wenger and once Wenger was rid, there would be no stopping Arsenal’s upward trajectory to glory’ was Bamford’s simplistic approach.

    But unfortunately, reality hasn’t been so sweet.

    More than a year down the line, Arsenal are the same they were in Wenger’s worst months. If we are being completely honest, we are even worse, in all departments.

    But admitting this would be too painful for old Bamford hence on and on he toils, trying to convince everyone and himself that we have improved as a team.

    For the rest of us, the entertainment of watching the Student of the game digging his way to the Equator.

  47. Dream10

    Emery should have been sacked in the summer. Unfortunately, I don’t expect a Kroenke, Raul or Edu to sack Unai until we cannot achieve top 4 and are eliminated from Europa League.

  48. Bamford10

    Danny

    That was one match, and it was at home. Yeah, he was fantastic, but Ozil had gone missing in scores of previous matches, and he went missing in a score of subsequent matches. Anyone who thinks Mesut Ozil is or was the solution to our problems has honestly not been watching carefully enough. He’s not. For every one match where he plays well, he’ll give you twenty matches where he does nothing or less than nothing. This is not on Unai Emery. This is on Ozil’s mercurial psyche, and this was true long before Emery ever arrived.

  49. Goobergooner

    Pierre

    “It would be a little silly not to give the new manager a chance wouldn’t it.
    That’s what we all wanted when Wenger left …..improvement.”

    Well there was some improvement, more points and a place ahead of previous season, albeit with worse playing style (Arsenal fans and their over the too expectations of being Barcelona MK2).

    “Just because some of us recognised Emery’s failings earlier than those who used to staunchly defend him, doesn’t mean we didn’t want to give the new manager a chance , it means we happen to be more perceptive than others ”

    Now you’re just living up to your hypocritical standards, your “perceptions” of what great football is, is Wengers 2nd 10 years in charge.
    You ( and a few others) are a disgrace to the club with that outlook.

    Now all of a sudden have a critical voice of a bloke (who isn’t up to scratch I agree) that has come in to fix a massive mess that the one you never criticised created.

    Some of you are complete jokes.

  50. HighburyLegend

    “Is it just me, or is ‘full of sauce’ Poch becoming increasingly incoherent in his press conferences?”

    He has been Wengerized.
    Soon you will have to say “Pocherized”.

  51. Bamford10

    Rambo

    “‘Everything wrong with Arsenal had everything to do with Arsene Wenger and once Wenger was rid, there would be no stopping Arsenal’s upward trajectory to glory’ was Bamford’s simplistic approach.”

    Actually, that was never my line. That was Joe’s line. I never thought our post-Wenger situation would be a simple one, although I did believe — and I was right to believe — that 99% of our problems under Wenger were down to Wenger.

    So, you’ve misrepresented my views. Which is to say: sorry, but no.

  52. Goobergooner

    raptoraOctober 2, 2019 10:02:50
    Pierre,
    It’s the grandeur that you are making statements like the one above that is hillarious. Now you see the manager’s fault but for years and years it was anything else but. It’s hillarious and sad at the same time. Same way you are excusing Ozil in EVERY possible way. You do you though.

    This hahaha

  53. Bojangles

    The only teams Pep would have considered were Citeh, Chelsea and possibly Un**ed, no other club could afford the players he would want to buy.

  54. Pierre

    Danny
    “——————-
    I again return for the 100th time to last seasons home match against Leicester which is so far our best match since Emery arrived and this was all due to an amazing match by Ozil. So why did Emery drop him not long after that match instead of keeping the momentum going by encouraging Ozil to continue as he played that day?”

    It’s all about Emery trying to show who’s boss.

    Ozil also played very well at home to liverpool , as the team did.
    However, in the next 2 games Ozil was substituted and showed his displeasure and was consequently marginalised until Emery became desperate after losing away to Bate and Ozil was reinstated.

    Ramsey and to a lesser extent Lacazette suffered the same fate around the same time .
    Ramsey showed his displeasure at being substituted and was benched for 9 consecutive league games .

    It wasn’t long after that our results and performances nose dived with 7 defeats in 14 games .

  55. Pierre

    Bamford
    “That was one match, and it was at home. Yeah, he was fantastic, but Ozil had gone missing in scores of previous matches, ”

    Actually Ozil was in the middle of a 4 goals in 6 games run around that time plus the team were also in the middle of their unbeaten run when Emery decided to change formation and personnel.

  56. TR7

    Bamford

    Actually it is not just Pierre who has been spot on about Emery and his failings. There have been many others (Charlie, Sal, GoH, Dream, Rambo, Spanishdave, Pedro, Un Nai, Wenger eagle, myself etc.) who have on various occassions pointed out limitations in Emery’s management.

    My original beef was lack of philosophy and style in his game and if he had a discernible pattern to his game, I would have overlooked his other limitations.

    Anyway here is a point wise summary of limitations in his management in my view and many others have pointed some of them :

    1. Lack of a playing philosophy as a result of which he ends up merely reacting to opposition managers a la Mourinho.

    2. At least Mourinho knew how to shore up the defense, this guy has been worse than even Wenger in organizing our defense. At least with Wenger it was a case of trade off between playing good attacking football and shoring up the defense. Under Emery we play dull football and still we can’t stop even mediocre opposition from scoring goals against us.

    3. He constantly gets his selection and tactics wrong. Numerous instances of him making changes at half time after realizing he made a wrong choice to start off with.

    4. He has not improved the game of even one player. Xhaka, Kola etc. are as error prone now as they were when they joined us.

    5. Players look confused with his constant tinkering with our formation

    6. He focuses too much on off the ball play than with the ball play. Cares little about possession of the ball.

    7. Poor communication skills. Saka’s comment on his poor communication skills is there in the public domain.

  57. raptora

    Normski: “Over coming a career threatening knee injury tends to limit your game time. Usual flat earthing bullshit for you again.”

    Bullshit.

    In 2012/13 he played a total of 7 mins in the EPL, 7 mins in the UCL. In the domestic cup competitions as a whole we played 3 games in the EFL cup and 4 games in the FA Cup, in which he started once and was used as a substitute once. We played 2 games went beyond Extra time in to penalties. He completed 80 mins in the Football Cup, and 0 mins in the FA Cup.

    ALL 4 games he was used in the senior team for a total of 94 mins, were played in the end of September and the beginning of October. I guess he wasn’t injured because he played 9 games for the U21s and 7 games for the U23s spreading from August 2012 to May 2013, playing games in every single month but January for a total of 1149 mins of Academy football.

    In 2013/14 his injury came in April of 2014. Up till then his participation in the EPL was as follows: Squad: 26, Starting eleven: 5, Substituted in: 4, On the bench: 17, Suspended: 0, Injured: 7. So out of 38 games he was injured in 7 of these. He managed 464 mins in the Prem, which is the equivalent of 5 full games. From February to April when he got injured, which is 2 full months of football where we played a total of 13 games, he was given 30 mins of football in the senior team. Safe to say that Wenger wasn’t really counting on him.
    14 mins in the UCL from a total of 10 games that we played (including qualifying matches).
    In domestic cup competitions he started and completed 3 games. He was injured in 2 and he wasn’t used in the other 3.
    In total he played 764 mins of senior football from August to April. Or the equivalent of 8 games and a half where he was available to be selected in 45 senior games in that year.

    In 2014/15 he started the season injured and regained full fitness in February. He played 0 senior games. He started 8 U21 and U23 games where he scored 3 goals and assisted 2.

    Then came the “smartest” decision of all time. Loan move for the whole 2015/16 to out of all clubs – West Bromich Albion, managed by Toni freakin Pulis.

    Ben Garner, at the time WBA first team coach, gives his opinion: “I had a couple of chats with Serge when I came in because we played against him with the youth team I had at Crystal Palace when he was at Arsenal. He’s a phenomenal talent. I think for him it’s an adjustment to a different style of play and a different culture to what he’s used to at Arsenal and his national team. They are used to having 60/65 per cent possession of the ball. At a Premier League club of our size you’re not going to have that as much. It’s adapting and understanding what he’s got to do without possession and functioning as part of a defensive unit. That’s really the learning curve for Serge.”

    And here’s Toni freaking Pulis: “Serge has come here to play games, but he just hasn’t been for me, at the moment, at that level to play the games. He’s come from academy football and not played much league football. Does academy football really prepare players for league football? And we’re talking about Premier League football here.”

    They sent our boy to become a better Arsenal player playing for Toni freaking Pulis. Outrageous decision.

    Ironically, while Gnabry registered a total of 12 EPL mins and 125 mins in the EFL Cup for WBA in the whole 2015/16 season, in the same 2015/16 Wenger promoted Iwobi on Gnabry’s place and Iwobi got 1123 mins of senior football in his FIRST year with the big guys, including 11 starts in a row, 8 of them in the EPL. Playing as a LW, just like Gnabry. Gnabry was healthy the whole year.

    It’s basically Wenger choosing Iwobi instead of giving Gnabry a chance.

    Wenger did it again. He thought Iwobi is a bigger talent than Gnabry.

  58. Danny

    Bamford10
    ————-
    It’s the manager’s job to motivate players, he mismanaged Ozil but then again we’re talking about a manager who will play Xhaka in every league match this season etc

  59. Danny

    It’s basically Wenger choosing Iwobi instead of giving Gnabry a chance.
    —————–
    and Joel bloody Campbell!

  60. raptora

    TLDR:

    Gnabry was healthy from February 2015 and started eight U21 and U23 games. He was healthy in the Summer when he played in the UEFA U21 Championship with the German team. He was then sent to get better under a negative manager like Toni Pulis. He remained healthy throughout the whole season. He was given 12 mins in the EPL in August and was never used again in the competition.

    He thought Iwobi is a bigger talent than Gnabry.

  61. Nelson

    Arguing about Wenger and Ozil is a complete waste of time. We should ask ourselves Are we satisfy with the football Emery is serving? Emery thinks that Xhaka and the team are doing a good job. For him, football is supposed to be played like that. Probably, Emery has never watched an old Arsenal vs Manure game. Around the net, most fans found Monday’s game boring. It would be more helpful to suggest ways of improving the team instead of arguing about Wenger and Ozil.

  62. raptora

    In the same 2015/16 Wenger promoted Iwobi, to play in Gnabry’s favorite position and the Nigerian registered more minutes than Gnabry did in 3 seasons in the Arsenal first team.

  63. Pierre

    The game on monday night typifies Emery and the team for me .

    We started off slowly , 28% possession mid way through the first half .
    We then got a footing in the game and looked capable of taking the game to united.

    However, we conceded a goal on the counter from one of our corners.
    I have never been an advocate of leaving only one player back on the half way line when we have a corner but to leave us so exposed so close to half time was a tactical mistake.

    For 20 minutes in the 2nd half we played with conviction and equalised, saka then had a glorious chance but was unlucky as it hit a defenders knee and went over .

    At this point Arsenal fans were thinking , this is our game , we are going to boss it until the end.

    Sadly that didn’t happen, united from that point on were the only team that looked like scoring , our play became ragged and we were unable to regain control of the game that we could have ultimately lost.

    This has been a regular occurrence since Emery arrived , we react to going a goal down but cant sustain it or we get in front early and again go in to negative mode.

    These tough battles will catch up with the team in the end through fatigue or injuries.

    There are certain games in the season when we should be able to get a 2/3 goal lead and coast home , this doesn’t happen under Emery due to the fear he ingrains into the players and they go into negative mode.

  64. Marko

    Let’s be honest. If he were here he wouldn’t be playing at that level. He’s at a proper club, that fosters growth and development. That’s half the battle with grooming young talent.

    This is very true. No telling exactly how Gnabry would have fared under a few more years under Wenger and then a season under Emery but it likely wouldn’t be at the level it is now. In saying that a good player is a good player

  65. raptora

    Pierre: “At this point Arsenal fans were thinking , this is our game , we are going to boss it until the end.”

    You mean like when under Wenger we got 16 pts out of possible 57 in our away games? We had the 9th best away attack, and the 13th best away defence.

    Change the following – “this doesn’t happen under Emery due to the fear he ingrains into the players and they go into negative mode.” into “this doesn’t happen under Wenger and Emery due to the fear they ingrained into the players and they go into negative mode.”

    Fixed that for you.

  66. China1

    Gnabry has obviously been a major loss and the few games he played for us he did look like there was a lot of potential, but he didn’t necessarily look like he’d be this good

    I’m not defending his sale because he was playing well enough to deserve more playing time at arsenal when he was here, but young players who have a handful of good games are ten a penny but players who go on to deliver at the upper levels of the game are very rare, so hindsight makes this look more clear cut than it is. For example we know wenger was negligent but he also got overlooked on his loan stint too so it makes you wonder if he was really looking that awesome in training. If he was beating people for fun and scoring goals and bagging assists with ease on the training ground and showed a good attitude it’s unlikely that he’d be overlooked by two consecutive managers.

    He didn’t look world class at arsenal and obviously not at West brom. He didn’t look like the next big thing so even though he did look good and was evidently wrongly overlooked at both clubs, I think is a bit easy to focus on what we lost with him in hindsight as there is likely more to this than black or white awesome young player getting let go for next to nothing

  67. Thank you and goodnight.

    For those people saying a point against United was a good result.
    Worst start in 30 years, 10th after first 7 games. Only 2 wins out of the last 12 games. Yet people are saying we should be happy with a point. Emery is shit. End of. Genuinely hasn’t got a clue so why keep him till the end of the season. Kick him out now, put Freddie in charge and start planning for next season under a new manager.

  68. Nelson

    Maybe I am dreaming. I guess Emery is trying to copy the Pool’s system. The midfield is for pressing and defending. Attack will be through the wingers and FB’s. Goals will be scored by strikers. The reason why he wants to build the team around Xhaka: Xhaka can send the ball to the wingers. His system doesn’t play a traditional #10. The job of the ACM is pressing up front. That’s why he benched Ozil for tactical reason.
    We don’t have wingers and FB’s like the Pool. I don’t know whether this system works for us. We’ll find out once Tierney and Bellerin are fully fit.

  69. Danny

    He didn’t look world class at arsenal
    —————–
    True but there was so much talk about his potential, at least that’s what I remember, and last night he showed it and some.

  70. Guns of Hackney

    More revisionists on here than in a bible group.

    Gnabry was fucking turd at Arsenal. Turd! Same as Vela. Garbage.

    We’ve invested tens of years and hundreds of millions over the years chasing ‘potential’. I’m glad we got rid.

    It’s like berating Maradona’s under 8 side for letting him go.

    Gnabry was crap.

  71. Marko

    Over coming a career threatening knee injury tends to limit your game time. Usual flat earthing bullshit for you again.

    So glad you brought this up he actually made his most senior appearences for us that year he got injured not previous and not after. He got signed played reserve football then the following season made 4 senior appearences while playing reserve football then the following season made his most senior appearences and got injured THEN after his injury it’s back to the reserves for a season and then he goes out on loan only to then come back to yep you guessed it the reserves.

    Just a wild guess here but I imagine that if either after his injury in 14/15 he saw some game time or after the loan he saw some game time he probably would have signed a new contract. But instead it was back to the reserves and the rest is history.

    Serge Gnabry what might have been. Arsene Wenger sacked years ago what might have been.

  72. raptora

    No way Wenger would have turned Gnabry in to what he is now.
    With that said, he would have still been a better player than Iwobi.

    Let’s not forget Gnabry didn’t take time to get good in Werder. First season after the WBA fiasco and he scored 11 times in the Bundesliga in 1974 minutes, or 22 full games. That’s 0.5 goal a game or a goal in every 179 mins.

    He was even better in his 2nd season in Germany playing for Hoffenheim – a goal in every 150 mins, and in his previous season for Bayern – a goal in every 177 mins.

    His assist per minute ratio is – 1 assist in every 404 mins.

    Iwobi’s Arsenal EPL stats say the following: minutes played – 5915, or 66 full games, goals 11. That’s a 0.16 goal a game or a goal in every 538 mins.
    His assist per minute ratio is – 1 assist in every 370 mins.

    It’s not like you are missing on Iwobi’s 4 assists a season or anything.

    It’s quite the comparison.

  73. Paulinho

    TR7 – A lot of those ‘failings you listed are subjective, and not necessary failings in an objective sense.

    Some of them are more observational than anything. Do Emery teams tend to be gritty and uneasy on the eye of the purist? Yes, I pointed out his style the day he arrived, so nothing I’ve seen has surprised me. Does he like playing the long game in terms of starting with a certain XI with a view to using certain subs to impact matches in the latter stages? Yes. Again, could be argued as a positive as much as a negative when you consider he likes to shake things up.

    He’s not perfect but just because something isn’t to one’s specific tastes doesn’t automatically mean it’s wrong or worse than a different style of management that also comes with its own pitfalls.

    We finished last season with seven more points than the season before, and twelve points closer to Champs League, so some of what you(and others) are claiming he did wrong isn’t necessarily so, because if they were we would’ve at best stalled in terms of progress.

    P.S Xhaka is shit, regardless of manager.

  74. Marko

    Actually it is not just Pierre who has been spot on about Emery and his failings. There have been many others (Charlie, Sal, GoH, Dream, Rambo, Spanishdave, Pedro, Un Nai, Wenger eagle, myself etc.) who have on various occassions pointed out limitations in Emery’s management.

    You’re just naming people who don’t like the manager at all. It’s dishonest to that these people have made good points along the way. Un nai’s a known moron GOH I don’t even think watches football and Rambo well hates everything.

    Anyway I see what you’re doing TR7 doing your very utmost to avoid a certain conversation about a certain manager after last night. Quick let’s talk about Emery.

  75. Pierre

    Raptora
    “Change the following – “this doesn’t happen under Emery due to the fear he ingrains into the players and they go into negative mode.” into “this doesn’t happen under Wenger and Emery due to the fear they ingrained into the players and they go into negative mode.”

    Actually, I disagree with you .

    Negativity is something I wouldn’t relate to Wenger, naivety yes.

    Very rarely would you see an Arsenal side under Wenger try to shut up shop…it would be a case of lets try and get 4 or 5 and sometimes get punished for it ……naivety.
    Even in our heavy defeats it was mainly through naivety that we left ourselves open due to trying to be too positive going forward.

    With Emery it’s a case of take the lead or score and salvage a point and then sit deep……negativity.

  76. Rambo Ramsey

    “Un nai’s a known moron GOH I don’t even think watches football and Rambo well hates everything.”

    That’s not true.

    I love you Marko, you fat potato.

  77. Marko

    Again the point of Gnabry isn’t necessarily about what he done with us but more what he was capable of doing. Prior to leaving there was a good year and a half where there were rumours of him getting a call up to the German national team. All while this was happening he was playing reserve football and not senior football. And then lo and behold the summer he leaves us he’s called up for the German national team at the Olympics and he’s never looked back. It’s like he instantly became a proper player the moment he left which begs the question how come Arsene didn’t see it? Why didn’t he do more to convince him to stay?

    FYI 15/16 season Walcott and Chamberlain were rotated and Iwobi made about 15 appearences while Joel Campbell started 20 games all competitions. The idea that somehow in there we couldn’t find enough game time to convince Serge to stay is beyond stupid. It was just a major fuck up on the old scrot’s part

  78. TR7

    Paulinho

    ‘Does he like playing the long game in terms of starting with a certain XI with a view to using certain subs to impact matches in the latter stages? Yes. Again, could be argued as a positive as much as a negative when you consider he likes to shake things up.’

    How do you see Emery using Torreria for over 50 minutes as a forward midfielder against United ? It was obvious we needed more bodies in the middle of the pitch to take control of the game against an average United mid but we squandered the opportunity. We played well for 15 mins once Torr was taken off and Ceballos was introduced and not because Ceballos played very well but just that he played in central midfield not near the opposition box like Torr. Marko said Torr was doing a job on Pogba and perhaps he was but was it really needed ? Would we not have been better off playing our game ? Pogba is not that good a player anyway for us to have a player marking him. You wouldn’t categorize Torr-Ceballos sway in 2nd half shaking things up , would you ?

  79. Sid

    My sauces tell me Haka has the key to ozils bedroom, he knows mrs ozils birthday, and ozil goes hidding most times
    You heard it here 1st!

  80. Marko

    Funny thing is all the arguments these days they’re not really about keeping Emery on or rating Emery persay but about the reasons for why he shouldn’t be here by certain types. Case in point that freak whose Emery points are littered with Ozil nonsense. That guy is to be taken seriously? His points about not rating the manager stem from him not playing arguably the wankest player in the squad. Apparently he makes good points though.

  81. Marko

    How do you see Emery using Torreria for over 50 minutes as a forward midfielder against United ?

    He was on Pogba that was his job

  82. Paulinho

    TR7 – I’ve said quite a few times, last season, that part of Emery’s philosophy is having players high up the pitch off the ball, so that we are more dangerous in counter-attacking situations, and to antagonise the opposition defenders on the ball so that they can’t settle or feel comfortable.

    Playing Torreira high up was another example of that, and I thought Torreira did a lot of things. Most of it was off the ball, so of course, it doesn’t register to 95% of fans. I would’ve kept him on, but could see the argument for Ceballos.

  83. Marko

    Feel free to troll me on Poch. I am not shying away from anything.

    Ah interesting to see you use the word troll very clever. I don’t need to say anything the facts and common sense everyday show up your original statement(s) on Poch to be ridiculous. No trolling here pal just a lad who got it wrong

  84. Champagne charlie

    “Playing Torreira high up was another example of that, and I thought Torreira did a lot of things. Most of it was off the ball, so of course, it doesn’t register to 95% of fans. I would’ve kept him on, but could see the argument for Ceballos.“

    Feel blessed to have fans like Paulinho who are part of the elite 5% that see things the 95% dont.

    Must be why he sees so much with Emery, he’s not a floundering manager, he’s just elite to levels 95% of fans don’t understand.

  85. Dream10

    Paulinho

    It’s early days, but I get the feeling that Emery is not convinced by Ceballos. We’ll be seeing more of Willock/Torreira as the guy behind the #9

  86. Marko

    Marko said Torr was doing a job on Pogba and perhaps he was but was it really needed ? Would we not have been better off playing our game ? Pogba is not that good a player anyway for us to have a player marking him

    He’s one of the best midfielders in world football. Despite wanting out of United he contributed to 16 goals and 11 assists last season.

    You could be right in hindsight maybe we should have just focused on our own game. But again one must remember maybe our appalling record away from home, our record at Old Trafford, our goals conceded these last few years have led to a cautious approach to certain games. Keep in mind that this is a manager who is not remotely thought of as a defensive minded coach his teams concede goals everyone knows that

  87. TR7

    Paulinho

    Again the question remains did we really need Torr high up the pitch to not let United defenders settle ? Or to do a job on Pogba as Marko says ? I have seen almost all the United games this season and most, if not all, of their players are ponderous on the ball. They do fuck all with the ball even if accorded time and space on it. And it is no coincidence our best play in the match was right after Torr was taken off and Ceballos was introduced. Pogba did little except one good long range shot even after Torr went off.

  88. Paulinho

    Charlie – My pleasure.

    You’ve come a long way from asking such pearlers such as “what does Ramsey offer apart from ‘third man runs’?, so it’s all for the greater good.

  89. Receding Hairline

    It’s not trolling to say rating a manager who has won nothing as “top three in the world” was and is still stupid.

    Most of what you call analysis TR7 is simply what you agree with and what you do not. You think so much of yourself that you believe once you agree with something or someone it means that person is doing things right.

    You are one of the posters who have taken the dishonest viewpoint of Good=Players, Bad=players. Anything good is down to the players all the bad is down to the manager. For managers you rate it’s the other way round

  90. Paulinho

    TR7-

    “And it is no coincidence our best play in the match was right after Torr was taken off and Ceballos was introduced”

    What I said earlier:

    “Does he like playing the long game in terms of starting with a certain XI with a view to using certain subs to impact matches in the latter stages? Yes”

    Torreira ‘soften’s United up, fatigues them, and then Ceballos comes on with fresh legs with more space. If Ceballos starts does he have the physical power to impose himself immediately? On the evidence so far, no.

  91. Marko

    Feel blessed to have fans like Paulinho who are part of the elite 5% that see things the 95% dont.

    Again hate hypocrites. Much like Vic giving TR7 shit for not being a superfan we now have you giving Paulinho shit for apparently seeing something that 95% of people don’t get or understand according to you. Must I remind you about your incessant hipster like approach to everything Xhaka does despite the vast majority of fans, pundits, ex players and football writers thinking that he’s gash.

  92. Danialtos

    The ex-Gunner admits to being frustrated by his former team-mate and tried every tactic to provoke a response.

    Observers have been left scratching their heads as to why the £350,000-a-week playmaker is unable to nail down a regular spot in boss Unai Emery’s starting XI.

    And Mertesacker says there are steps that Ozil can take to recifty the problem.

    He said: “I hope Mesut can get fit. Unai requires a certain fitness level.

    “Unai is fair to everyone. You need to deliver a certain fitness level – then you are available to play.

    “Unai tries to get through to him. He talks to him. He says: ‘You need to train to a certain level every day – I need you to be fit – otherwise you are not going to play.’

    “That’s what I’ve seen. He puts him in the squad but then leaves him on the bench. If he trains to the level that’s required, he can play.

    “Personally, I’m in favour of that. When Mesut is fit, he is one of our best players. He needs to be in there. We need to build the team around him and make him stronger.”

    However, Mertesacker admits that he is at a loss as to how to motivate the 30-year-old.

    He added: “It’s his personality, he doesn’t take it personally.

    “I don’t know what the trigger is. I had my go. I’ve tried very hard to be close, to stay away from him…sometimes I’ve given him a shout, sometimes not. He was okay with everything.

    “It’s about Mesut himself.

    “He can deliver for us. I gave him the feeling I trusted him on the pitch. I knew in pressure situations, I could give him the ball.

    “He has talent. Now it’s up to others to unlock it.”

  93. Graham62

    I think we all are in agreement now that Emery, to all intense and purposes, is not fit for purpose.

    Certain things are so obvious, it’s sort of embarrassing to even talk about them.

    Of course, there are some amongst us who are gloating in the fact that they saw all his failings long ago and that he was never going to be the right fit after Wenger. It’s as if they feel superior to the rest of us because they saw things that we didn’t. Amazing really.

    Of course each and every one of us( yeh, right!)hoped that Emery was the right choice. Longing for a sense of professionalism and structure after years of slow decay.
    Many of us were desperate for change because we knew just how much things had been infected by the old regime.

    Let’s make things perfectly clear though, Mesut Ozil was a goner long before Emery arrived. He’s not even worth talking about any longer and even though Emery could have dealt with things better, there is absolutely no doubt that Ozil has been a massive thorn in the side of AFC over the past few years.

    We all rejoiced in Spuds 7-2 thumping last night, what Arsenal fan wouldn’t poke fun at their bitter rivals being turned over by the German champions?

    The thing is how many times over the years have we been humiliated? That’s right, how many times did we tolerate such results, coming up with the classic excuse that “Wenger is entitled” ? Far too many times to mention.

    Emery is not going to be here too much longer. We all see why. Just a pity we weren’t so decisive all those years back when we had the chance to change tack. Imagine where we’d be if we had been a wee bit tougher in our decision making.

    Gloating and poking fun is a part of football. However, in the case of AFC and its fans, we should be very careful at going overboard on subjects that we regrettably know far too much about.

  94. Champagne charlie

    “we now have you giving Paulinho shit for apparently seeing something that 95% of people don’t get or understand according to you”

    No that’s according to him, try and follow what’s being said before tripping over yourself to get something spectacularly wrong.

    “Must I remind you about your incessant hipster like approach to everything Xhaka does”

    You can remind me all you like, just be further evidence you can’t follow a thread or POV further than your own interpretation.

    Just about peak Marko to mention Xhaka our of the blue. Throw in Arteta for good measure too, just whatever you do skip using the term “potential” again.

  95. TR7

    Paulinho

    ‘Torreira ‘soften’s United up, fatigues them, and then Ceballos comes on with fresh legs with more space. If Ceballos starts does he have the physical power to impose himself immediately? On the evidence so far, no.’

    Well that’s one way to look at it although I find it counter-intuitive.

  96. Danialtos

    Emery’s insistence on playing xhaka may eventually be his downfall…but I can see what he is trying to do with the torreira/xhaka swap…a bit like when sarri was criticized for how he played jorginho/kante.Torreira being our kante and xhaka being our jorginho,the only problem with this is that xhaka is not near jorginho and torreira isn’t anywhere near kante.That said,I can also see where Marko is coming from,I watched the game again today and it is true that Torr was actually doing a good job on Pogba,covering his passing lines and moving with him quite alot.

  97. Marko

    Just about peak Marko to mention Xhaka our of the blue.

    Charles quick mention Emery you just went a whole comment without doing it.

    Like I said fucking hypocrites.

  98. Moe

    How can anyone have a valid opinion on Emery after the City and L’pool games last year? Sample size was too small and the squad he inherited was beyond shitty, to make an informed, objective decision. You agenda driven hypocrites can’t see how Poch can’t win shit in years to save his life, but clairvoyant on Emery after less than 10 games. Total bullshit!
    There is enough evidence now, with a vastly different squad, to jump on Emery.

  99. Paulinho

    TR7 – My ideal style of football is what you’re alluding to with Ceballos: flood the midfield, dominate possession, and defend with the ball. Rodgers was my first choice (outside of the elite), because he at least tries to emulate that style.

    I’m probably completely on my own in that I’m actually enjoying seeing a different type of football under Emery. Receding jokingly referred to what he attempts as organised chaos, but in some ways it is spot on.

  100. Champagne charlie

    “Charles quick mention Emery you just went a whole comment without doing it.“

    What’s the title of the post?

    It’s as if the managerial change at the club is the first to occur in 20+ years and is kind of relevant to our potential (panic stations for Marko) this season and beyond…

  101. Marko

    TR7 I kinda agree with you we should have probably done things differently especially at United and done more to win the game. Where I argue though is with the cautious approach and him taking it being somewhat understandable given our defensive capabilities our appalling away record and our record at United. With those things in mind it’s understandable that he wanted to keep things tight and have a player on their obvious best player. In hindsight the game was there for the taking despite that Old Trafford record

  102. Marko

    What’s the title of the post?

    Lol I meant in general you incessantly bring up Emery. Even if it’s about something else.

  103. Receding Hairline

    I am more interested in what we do with this so called favorable fixture list coming up and how he rotates his players now he has options. All this “we have all come to a universal conclusion Emery is clueless” nonsense is just that, Nonsense

  104. TR7

    Paulinho

    Good for you that you enjoy the new ‘approach’. I find it painful to be honest with you. I feel starved of good possession football.

  105. Receding Hairline

    Everyone prefers possession football…

    It might have been easier to swallow if the players actually mastered this new approach but even when we gain possession and want to counter the passes are off, the choices wrong and it all makes for painful viewing.

    Having said that Saka belongs in the first team now, Pepe should be the one dropping to the Europa team when Lacazette returns. So much for having a front three to rival Liverpool’s front three with the addition of Pepe.

  106. Paulinho

    TR7 – I’ve felt starved of it since 2007/08. I’ve become used to not seeing it.

    Wenger’s teams were awful on the ball for the last decade at any decent away ground.

    Playing champagne football against Burnley at home on a spring afternoon was about as good as it got.

  107. Marko

    Of point I know given that you want to talk about Emery TR7 but any chance you want to rethink your Poch opinion? Seems to be on the cusp of the sack. Surely one of the very best managers in world football doesn’t lose a game like that.

  108. TR7

    Marko

    Yes, this United team is absolutely ordinary. Look at all the smaller teams which have beat them at Old Trafford in last 24 months. They played without any fear, without giving any respect to United and ended up taking 3 points. Playing at Etihad and Anfield with caution and even fear is fine but at Old Trafford with the current lot of United players ? Nah

  109. Batistuta

    Tr7

    We’ve had the good possession football that didn’t yield that much did we? All Mourinho or Fergie had to do was 2 banks of 4 and let us tip tap our way to giving it away and hit us on the counter. I’m no saying the football at the moment is pretty to watch but we’ve not done what you’re looking for in a very very long time and to be honest, we don’t have the midfield options to control most games if we’re being honest

  110. Receding Hairline

    “Yes, this United team is absolutely ordinary. Look at all the smaller teams which have beat them at Old Trafford in last 24 months.”

    On the flip side Leicester and Chelsea left there with ZERO points

    “They played without any fear, without giving any respect to United and ended up taking 3 points.”

    Man United had 22 shots to Palace’s 5, poor finishing on United’s part was why they lost to Palace not because palace attacked them like prime Barca , Palace had 28% possession that day, that does not scream disrespect

  111. Batistuta

    Willock
    Guendozi
    Xhaka
    Torreira
    Ceballos
    Ozil

    Those are our midfield options, not great but not good enough for the possession based football many are looking for

  112. Marko

    Look at all the smaller teams which have beat them at Old Trafford in last 24 months

    So Cardiff. They’re undefeated at home this season and last season they lost at home to Spurs and City and then Cardiff the last game of the season. A fair few draws sure but you make it sound like their home form recently is a bit of a joke

  113. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Pick and choose your fake outrage about hypocrisy mate, that busy telling folk they’ve found their critical voice only recently and here you are claiming the manager as a daily topic incessant.

    Only been fixated with Wenger for a decade on here you fucking haribo, and how often his last two years were you flapping your gums?

    Thought so, back in the bag.