Head to Head: Wenger vs Emery (ouch)

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via @Arsenal Instagram

Well hello my darlings.

What’s new? Not much. Mesut Ozil has been ‘rested’ for the Frankfurt match. This is Emery.

“We are playing a lot of matches and I want to use different players, and also have some rotation in the first 11 and in the 19 players in the squad for [Frankfurt],” Emery said.

“We are going to play another match on Sunday. My decision is because he played, and I decided who the players are who can be the best for tomorrow, and also the players not, and those are Sokratis and Mesut.”

You could be kind and suggest that he’s taking the precocious German out the firing line of German fans who might STILL take offence to the Erdogan press disaster, but that would suggest that Germans are unforgiving humans… which I cannot say I believe.

You could also say that this is Emery playing it sensibly, resting a ‘top’ player.

Or maybe we could call a spade a spade and simply accept that the German is a bit-part player he can’t rely on.

There’s a quite extraordinary article on Sky Sports that compared Wenger’s last 43 games to Emery’s first 43. If you accept that 25% of Wenger’s final games he was fired (ish), then you accept that that season was his worst EVER, then these numbers really make grim reading for the ‘give him time’ crowd.

Remember, Emery has spent £200m. He’s drained the Arsenal coffers for next season. Below is what we’re dealing with.

Factor in we’ve conceded the most shots in Europe, our defence has a worse xG against than Newcastle, and the football is utterly dross… you have to ask yourself, what are we buying with Emery?

He’s not an innovator. He has no brand.  He cannot implement ideas that help meet his publicly shared objectives. He can’t communicate. He’s a one-trick pony, and everyone has sussed him.

Still, I would say this: It’s not going to last past this season.

There are patterns commonly associated with managers that are on the out, and many of them are happening a month into the season.

Players aren’t playing to their full capacity, this is dripping through the stats. The level of mistakes in our game are so far out of the ordinary, you have to conclude that it’s a kind of downing of tools. We are 19th for pressing intensity, that can’t be a tactical choice.

Also, these are expensive athletes that are at the higher end of talent. Mistakes often point to a lack of motivation, but more pointedly, a system that doesn’t protect against them, and a group of players that aren’t confident in what they are being asked to do. Do not fall into the trap of thinking mistakes are acts of god. They are not.

Additionally, say what you will about Arsene Wenger, the man ran a tight press ship. No leaks, ever. Part of that was due to the fact the players knew they couldn’t out him, so leaking was a pointless endeavour, part of that was he was an institution like Ferguson.

Unai Emery has Auba and Xhaka criticising each other and the system. He has AMN complaining about passing out the back. He has leaks about the lack of pressing in training. He has Alan Smith getting whispers about the players not understanding what the fuck they are doing.

Arsenal is not a happy camp. I heard that last season was not Arsenal class behind the scenes, it was not good. There was a pop of excitement about the freshness of the system this season, but that has all evaporated since. It is not a great place to be again. The vibes aren’t good and the omens are ominous.

Do I think Emery will be gone before Christmas? I think there’s a chance. I also think there’s a more likely happening… a 10 game unbeaten run and a stay of execution. The same thing happened last season. Rest assured though, he won’t see it through, things will go south. I think the players will see to that at some point. David Luiz is a trojan horse, clearly connected to Edu, divisive and a guy that has seen off bigger names. Emery is a little fish to him.

The big mistake that I think is coming is Jose Mourinho. The club is more than capable of inviting hell into the backroom. That would be the biggest disaster we could enable, unless Josh wants to handover another £200m in the first window. Jose is a destroyer, not a builder. He will not shop in Aldi, because he’s a Harrods kind of guy. He will make Arsenal in his name, and that name is dated and tarnished.

… this is the sort of panic hire I thought we’d end up making if Emery didn’t work. I specifically wrote about this eventuality. I am worried I will be right. The Arsenal leadership structure is very close to following the path of United. We have the Spanish David Moyes, I pray we don’t double down with another disastrous move. Trouble is, Mourinho is intuitive, it’s safe, it feels logical… but it is not.

Young, innovative and visionary is what we need… Nagelsmann.

Anyway, I digress. We’re about to play in the Europa League. I want to see energetic young players showing the first team what they’re doing wrong.

Leno, Martinez, Maitland-Niles, Mustafi, Luiz, Holding, Chambers, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Guendouzi, Torreira, Willock, Ceballos, Pepe, Nelson, Smith Rowe, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Martinelli.​

Get me Saka on the wing. Someone tweeted me he’s definitely starting. I hope so. We need a really confident performance from him.

We need a hero, I think it’s him.

See you in the comments.

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Leftsidesanch

‘David Luiz is a trojan horse, clearly connected to Edu, divisive and a guy that has seen off bigger names. Emery is a little fish to him.‘

Are you my colleague in disguise Peds, lol I was having this convo this morning and he said the exact same thing as this bar the trojan horse bit!

Edu me a favour

Listened to the podcast – xhaka sounds even worse when you listen to you guys talking about him 😂 and believe me I see how bad he is !!

TitsMcGee

Pretty stupid comparison.

UE may be flunking but completely different set of circumstances.

OleGunner

Uhhh weren’t you jerking yourself about Mourinho being our new manager a few weeks ago Pedders?

Seems you eventually got your head on straight then lol

azed

If Emery doesn’t play a 4-2-3-1 formation today then he has to go.

Chitom

I do hope Ozil gets a proper rest before Villa come to town.
He’ll need to be at his best to face such strong opponent.
Not sure he can recover though, Sunday’s only three days away.

grooveydaddy

How the f*ck has Emery won more games (32) in his first 50 than any other Arsenal manager?

https://twitter.com/MartinWengrow/status/1174684950601314304?s=09

Cesc Appeal

Interesting if Emery does go for Saka, Martinelli, Nelson as a forward line. All the youngsters.

Really not a fan of Nelson at all but maybe being back in Germany might spark something in him…stretching there.

On the other hand what I’ve seen of Martinelli and Saka lead me to be very excited about the potential there.

Dissenter

Pedro
‘Remember, Emery has spent £200m. He’s drained the Arsenal coffers for next season. Below is what we’re dealing with.”

Stop with this claptrap, you know better than to write such stuff. You spent the last decade arguing for a system that takes away strategic planning away from any manager post-Wenger.
How can you knowing suggest that Emery “spent’ anything,

You meant to write that the club has spent 200 million since Emery was appointed?

Cesc Appeal

Saka, Martinelli, Pepe could be an interesting front line tonight. A lot to ask for Martinelli playing the ST role right away but he seems a very confident and hard working player.

This is a game where Pepe can really kick on. Just feel he needs ‘that’ game for things to spark.

Ishola70

It was always debatable in whether it was a wise decision to shell out 72m for Pepe over how many seasons and yet again go cheap in comparison or ignore defensive positions which includes DM/CM.

Arsenal were healthy goalscorers in the league last season. They were shit defensively last season and still look to be shit defensively this season.

It’s a club decision and still smacks of Arsene Wenger FC.

Cesc Appeal

Think though we’ve basically recouped half of Pepe’s fee with the Iwobi sale. If Nelson doesn’t cut it, which seems likely, I can see a £15-20 Million fee for him from a high level Championship or low level EPL side next summer as well. I think we actually did quite well, loaned a good few players who were financially expensive (as Venkatesham alluded to today). Next summer we’re more likely to be able to get rid of Ozil, Mkhitayran, Mustafi etc as well. I think the club quite nicely realigned itself financially. Emery blowing our money is nonsense. In fact… Read more »

Left testicle

Saka, Martinelli, Pepe. That’s a speedy front 3 with tricks to boot but will we be able to get the ball to them enough to do the damage?

HighburyLegend

Pedro has definitely fall in to the dark side by praising Wenger.

All the akbs have the greatest orgasm in history.

Left testicle

Yes Raul and, to a lesser extent, Edu spent the money.

Un na naai

Hahahahahaha

Now what do you say?
Wenger at his worst was still better than emery
I’m sure marko, ishola and Freddie will find a way to try and bend this but you can’t
Facts is facts
Emery has outspent Wenger and been worse

Blokes a cunt
Fuck him off and start again

Danny

El-Dicko – the worst Arsenal manager ever.

Cesc Appeal

Left Testicle

With Ceballos playing the CAM role we should be able to to, Guendouzi has it in his locker to thread some nice passes as well with Torreira keeping things locked up at CDM.

Pepe is also quite good at driving from deep as well.

Bet your arse Xhaka plays though.

Un na naai

t. The Arsenal leadership structure is very close to following the path of United. We have the Spanish David Moyes, I pray we don’t double down with another disastrous move. Trouble is, Mourinho is intuitive, it’s safe, it feels logical… but it is not.

Pedro
I coined the term Spanish David Moyes!! Where’s my accreditation?

Been saying it since last season
Adios Unai
Can’t wait

I’d rather an ex arsenal guy next
Arteta or vieira please

salpardisenyc

Agree with you there Cesc, get Pepe in and flying has the feel of a player that once settled will just get better. For clubs sake, hope so. The Wenger vs Emery stats certainly don’t tell the full story but for the hard data aspect of it the numbers don’t lie. More worrying is Emery is headed backwards where as one would expect the manager would auto correct with signals headed upwards. After winning more matches than any other Arsenal manager at 50 games Emery peaked and began a serious downward slide that doesn’t look to be ending. As for… Read more »

Saintyjones

We need to learn how to win key matches. How to win the league. Give Mourinho two seasons and he will instill this in the team.

Wasi

Torreira has to start today in the dn position.

Un na naai

Under emery we have
Scored less
Conceded more
Played worse
Less tackles
Worse possession
Worse pass accuracy
More mistakes
More mistakes leading to goals
More penalties

This is wenger at his WORST
So much for le fraud or senile old cunt. This mug as in his prime and can’t compete with the man at his lowest ebb

NEXT……

PieAFC

One thing you have going for you as a winger is your ability to beat a man. Even if your end product is something desired – at a young age you can always improve it. Saka does have many tricks in his locker. I remember the days of Glen helder, fella was rapid, could beat a man, but his end product was awful. Always remember the crowd shouting “shoot” when he got into a decent position. Least Saka, seems to have ability in abundance and a way of improving all aspects of his game. These games are perfect for the… Read more »

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Dainty jones

Exactly
The man is a winner and he breeds winners
This bunch could do with a couple of years learning from a man like him
He’s won it all. Over and over. After the wenger culture at the club he’d be the perfect antidote

I’d rather vieira or arteta but if we are going safe then Jose or allegri are the men for me

PieAFC

I think I’d struggle to watch Arsenal is Jose TOM over. Fucking hate the man.

He’d ruin whatever link we had with the youth and current set up within a heart beat.

The football would be just as drab.

Crimson

For the old devisive minds, that flows. The familiar desiccated miserable timing brought on by the distant future that follows. Even in the misdt of time they have to take off the smiling underwear. Fearing they will be scared of the puzzling parts that join the dream. Not by the time we reach for the stars.

Batistuta

Emery being useless doesn’t mean the time wasn’t ripe to get rid of Wenger though, bask in your “you were rights” but we sunk to some pretty dark places during the last days of Arsene Wenger

Ishola70

It’s still funny how these Wengerites act like Don Quixote fighting illusionary enemies. These so-called EKBs.

So obviously still sore at how the fanbase turned on their master and his departure.

Now they want some vengeance but they are just charging at those windmills.

Un na naai

PieAFC

Then you hire him on the basis he gives the youngsters game time.

He played plenty of young players before
JT was 22/23 when he arrived
Cech was 22
Robben 21
Essien 22/23

They would benefit hugely under a manger like him.
If we’d have had him or allegri at the beginning of last season we would be playing champions league football this week

raptora

David Luiz conseded penalties:

At Arsenal – 2 in 4 games;

At Chelsea – 3 in 160 games.

I came up with the trojan horse thing right after the pen he caused vs Watford. You make do with the facts as you wish but they speak for themselves.

Carts

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want Emery to be a success. I knew he wouldn’t make us title challengers but I genuinely thought we’d see improvements.

If we’re floundering around 6th during Xmas then I think there’s a good chance he won’t see July.

As for Mourinho: no fucking chance he ever steps foot in the Emirates in a managerial capacity. Don’t see it at all.

Ishola70

Luiz although scatty himself defensively was in an all round stable defensive environment for most of his Chelsea tenure.

Now he jumps into a non-stable all round defensive environment at Arsenal.

Arsenal signed him for peanuts. Of course he is going to be a big risk signing.

jwl

I like how you leave out the stats that Emery improved our points total and took us further in Europe than Wenger did in his last season.

David Moyes took league winning team and finished seventh while Emery improved points total, league position and took club to European final. In what way is this the same?

N5

“You meant to write that the club has spent 200 million since Emery was appointed?”

Pedro was just reporting what was being said at the General and Share Holder Meetings.

Leftsidesanch

Emiliano Martinez
21Calum Chambers
20Shkodran Mustafi
23David Luiz
31Sead Kolasinac
11Lucas Torreira
34Granit Xhaka (c)
32Emile Smith-Rowe
28Joe Willock
77Bukayo Saka
14Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang

Bernd Leno
8Daniel Ceballos
15Ainsley Maitland-Niles
19Nicolas Pepe
24Reiss Nelson
29Matteo Guendouzi
35Gabriel Teodoro Martinelli Silva

jwl

Colleague at work went back to university to get masters in business admin about a decade ago and his thesis was about how often it would go tits up for an organization when a long time boss, or visionary founder, retired or quit.

What happened at manure after Fergie quit was predictable because it happens often. I give Emery a lot of credit for not allowing a dip in our performance last season, he actually improved our points total, so I am not going to get wound up by Emery this season unless he massively underperforms.

Leftsidesanch

What do we reckon with that line up chaps and ladies

jwl

Is it early start tonight? Why are starting eleven already announced?

N5

JWL, it’s a 17:55 Kick Off mate.

jwl

Leftsidesanch – I was hoping to see Martinelli start but hopefully he will get some time in second half. I like how fast and direct Martinelli is, he can be weapon if you bring him on with twenty minutes to go and defense is tiring, fire a rocket up their arse.

jwl

Thanks, N5.

KAY Boss

A man in a 22yr job is being compared to a man in an 18month job. So much for statistics.
So Mourinho is now being taunted as the saviour if the inevitable happens. He couldn’t save himself with all the resources in Utd let alone the ‘meager’one we have here. This twerp contributed to our ridicule in the press world wide and yet you have some craving for him.
Some of you need castration to reset the mind in motion.
And for some it’s all about former players at the helm. None of which overwhelms me.
Definitely a win today.

Leftsidesanch

I would have liked to have seen a front three of Saka, Martinelli and Pepe today JWL. Hopefully Auba doesn’t play the full 90 for obvious reasons.

Carts

Bas Dost is going to wreck up there. I fancy him, along with PEA, to score tonight

Leftsidesanch

He’s not in that much of a panic he has his favourite in there of course.

Leftsidesanch

Auba has 8 in 11 against Frankfurt also.

Wasi

Do I see a diamon again? Xhaka is starting again?
Will Emery ever learn?.

N5

“This twerp contributed to our ridicule in the press world wide and yet you have some craving for him.” Spot on KAY. At the end I was tired of Wenger, but I would defend him against the slug Maureen all day. He was one of ours and Maureen was a snake. Some on here would even quote him constantly because they had such a hard-on for him. Maureen is a dinosaur as I said the other day. There are many many better options. I love Arsenal to death and have for 40 years, but if he joined us, I wouldn’t… Read more »

Guns of SF

A bad result against this weekend and its knives out for Emery.
We need to get a good result. clean sheet.
Im sick of this … seems like a continuation of last season… just ongoing

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Left

Not happy
Matinelli and Pepe should be starting
Aubameyang on the bench
Xakha on bench

Hope Mustafi is right back and chambers is central
Who the fuck wants Mustafi and Luiz behind xakha??

Emery must be the only man connected with arsenal

salpardisenyc

Big ask Willock pulling the strings visions of our Kolasinac being the outlet, Xhaka or Mustafi potentially both will concede penalties add Luiz to the combo and it could ignite the doomsday trigger.

Seemed like the perfect op for Pepe to break out his first Arsenal goal with Martinelli thru middle.

Cesc Appeal

Mustafi, Luiz, Xhaka in the centre is the equivalent of using tissue paper as a condom.

Carts

“Mustafi, Luiz, Xhaka in the centre is the equivalent of using tissue paper as a condom.”

Lawd LOL

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Left

Me too
With ESR behind
Midfield if Torreira and Willcok
Tierney chambers holding bellerin

Those boys need minutes to get them ready for the most competitive league in the world. Missed a trick not playing at least one or two of them.
I’d have 100% gone with holding as he’s been training since ore season and playing u23 games and cb isn’t a position where he will have to be up and down all day

Maybe pushing lacazette and him getting injured has made emery more cautious with pushing too soon

Marko

Good to see Saka and Smith Rowe get a start but a bit dickless not to have Holding anywhere in the squad.

Nelson

Arsenal: Martinez, Chambers, Mustafi, Luiz, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Torreira, Willock, Smith Rowe, Saka, Aubameyang

Subs: Leno, Maitland-Niles, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Martinelli, Nelson, Pepe

Un na naai

Cesc AppealSeptember 19, 2019 16:53:54
Mustafi, Luiz, Xhaka in the centre is the equivalent of using tissue paper as a condom.

😂 😂
Good one Cesc

Marko

He’s drained the Arsenal coffers for next season

Jaysus. Some nonsense that

Guns of SF

Auba must not play this game.

Wasi

“Mustafi, Luiz, Xhaka in the centre is the equivalent of using tissue paper as a condom.”

This 😂

N5

Does anyone have a link please?

Un na naai

Marko copying my posts 😱

HighburyLegend

“Xhaka is starting again?”

No armband, no party.

Un na naai

salpardisenycSeptember 19, 2019 16:53:13 Big ask Willock pulling the strings visions of our Kolasinac being the outlet, Xhaka or Mustafi potentially both will concede penalties add Luiz to the combo and it could ignite the doomsday trigger. Seemed like the perfect op for Pepe to break out his first Arsenal goal with Martinelli thru middle. Sal Exactly!!! That’s exactky how I’d have gone But with holding and tierney getting a start Happy with willock to partner Torreira Seems like a good midfield for me. The lad has to play games like this Learning curve and has to show his worth… Read more »

Graham62

Pedro Let’s be honest here, in a normal operational world Ozil would have been shown the door long ago. The thing is, when you’ve given a player £350k a week for three and half years, you can’t say to them “you’re not pulling your weight, we don’t need you anymore”. That doesn’t work in the modern day footballing world. As soon as that contract was agreed upon, we cut our own throat. Don’t forget that Wenger is the major cause of where we find ourself now. Emery, quiet clearly, is not the long term solution but let’s not forget AW… Read more »

TR7

Let us see what Saka and ESR are made up of ? Is Mavrapanos still injured ?

jwl

Soccerstreams100.com has always worked for me N5. Avoid first few links if they acestream, that is advertising and want you to sign up for account, but below there are lots of links to free streams.

Batistuta

Xhaka again and as captain?

Why no Pepe? Wasn’t he properly rested during the break?

Why Chambers at RB rather than CB?

Again why Xhaka?

Swear Emery makes some very weird decisions

N5

Cheers JWL. I always used CR7 but the links keep not working lately.

Nelson

AMN opens up his mouth. He is benched immediately.

azed

” Is Mavrapanos still injured ?”

TR7

Mavropananos is always injured. We need someone to continue the Diaby-Wilshere tradition and Mavro seems to have volunteered.

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Graham

Yes. Wenger was better than emery. No doubt. His worst season is still better than emery’s iteration
New team, new players, new coach, money spent
We’ve gone backwards
How can you blame anything that’s happened this season on wenger??
It’s emerys team and he’s failing.
Like Pedro said this dissent from the players never occurred before

azed

At least we are back to a 4-2-3-1 formation.

HighburyLegend

“Again why Xhaka? ”

Because he’s our fucking Captain ?
(#EmeryOut)

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Nelson

He’s being rested.
We’ve been playing him at rb for months

Nelson

I guess Auba has bonus tied to Champions League. If he sees that the team couldn’t make it into the Champions League. he’ll do another Sanchez.

Valentin

Emery may not responsible of the splurge spend this summer, but if he can’t get Champion’s League football Arsenal will be in a terrible situation.
Financially stuck for the next 4 years with repayments they can’t afford and players whose values on the book are more than what they are worth on the market.

Raul overpaid for Pepe who is the classic example of a player we didn’t need. We needed an experienced left footed CB and a dynamic dominant central midfielder. Without those we have adding an extra island to the kitchen when the roof is leaking.

Carts

Wouldn’t this have been a good opportunity for Pepe to maybe get his first goal ?

I like the young kids getting a look in, but I’m not sure about this line up entirely

Un na naai

Emery has had to adapt to a completly new management infrastructure with new systems and different working philosophies.Im not disputing that Wengers last 43 games make better reading than Emery’s first 43 but please, don’t use that as a tool for saying Wenger was better than Emery.

Graham
He’s walked into a £6m contract to create a winning side
We aren’t asking for him to perform miracles
Just champions league football

He failed on that front spectacularly
Over and over and over again at in April may. You can’t hang that on anyone but him.

Cesc Appeal

Nelson

Would be great if Chambers could have a good showing and have a couple of weeks at RB until Bellerin is fit.

Literally sick of seeing AMN name on the team sheet.

Awful player.

Cesc Appeal

Pepe should certainly have started this one, great opportunity to grab a first goal and get started.

Leftsidesanch

Hopefully Pepe does get a run out, a good performance breeds confidence moving forward.

Gentlebris

Pedro, You are wrong about Jose, you are using your heart not your head. Mourinho can be Mourinho, but he’s a winner. We don’t need another experimental ‘should work’ hire like the kid at Leipzig, we need a guy who has done it before, who has won major things before. And it’s time we binned the cuddle culture that has been prevalent at the club for long long years. We need a fearless character like Jose. Can you imagine Xhaka getting away with all of this bullshit under Mourinho? Mourinho is toxic ugh? What is that going to cost us?… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

Good post Peter, full of stats and numbers that will make the emery fanatics go cray cray.

Fact. Wenger for all of his madness and inferior team still managed better numbers than a fresh emery with a brand new squad.

Wenger had the magic sauce and regardless of his insanity, he still outperformed emery. Shocker.

Disenchanted players five games in. No workable solutions. Zero game plan. It’s got to be over ASAP.

Act now. Sign a prenup contract with a young hungry buck and let’s get this club back on track.

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Val

Well emery wanted his winger
So here we are
Can’t pretend I’m not happy we’ve got him though

It’s also bollocks to say there’s no money too as they were bidding top money for centre halves before we opted for Luiz

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Gentle

Exactly. It’s nit like Chelsea, Madrid and Porto were left in pieces once he took his toxicity to pastures new

He did better with a hopeless untied than any other coach has managed post Fergie
They are in the champions league with a worse squad than ours while we hit and hope on emery

S Asoa

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez ready to appoint Jose Mourinho as Zinedine Zidane’s replacement

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/19/real-madrid-president-florentino-perez-ready-appoint-jose-mourinho-zinedine-zidanes-replacement-10772526/?ito=cbshare
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Relax guys. We have Real Madrid on our side. They are taking. Mourinho after latest Zidane shit show

Batistuta

Gentlebris

You’re highly welcome to the #MourinhoIn club

Guns of Hackney

Let’s get Zidane.

Un na naai

That Erling Haaland. 11 goals in 7 games at 19 yo!!!

Kid is on fire.

Guns of Hackney

Un

He’s an alcoholic. Scandinavians are notorious booze hounds. Just like the Brazilians are notorious party boys.

No dice. Good stats but as soon as the vodka kicks in…neit.

TR7

AFC will never hire Mourinho and rightly so. Mou to Arsenal is a non-starter.

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