Wenger said no

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I bought some house plants from a reputable dealer. I was utterly ripped off, of course. You buy plants in Brooklyn and they are 7 times more expensive than their equivalents in B&Q. Anyway, there were some insects on it. I was like, ok, we’ll just be friends and you’ll eventually die.

WRONG MOVE.

I am now dealing with an insect problem of biblical proportions. These guys have formed an army against me. They’re so powerful, they’re building machines… I cannot stop them. If anyone has a better idea outside fly spray, please help… before it’s too late.

International break is here and I think I’m going to indulge it this time around. I’ve also added Youtube to my gym routine. You can sit on an exercise for 4x longer if you’re watching goals and highlights from all the games around Europe.

One player that’s caught the eye for more than football reasons is Memphis Depay. He launched a stunningly shite rap video recently, but he’s also had a good start to the season. He’s scored 4 goals and had 1 assist. He looked dangerous last night in the Holland vs Germany game. Two exArsenal kids scored, Gnabry and Malen, and Ryan bloody Babbel had a storming game. It’ll be interesting to see if Depay is just a big fish in a little pond, or whether he can mature at 25 and make it back to the big leagues.

Arsene Wenger is on a HUGE PR run.

‘Take me back football, take me back!’

He’s been speaking to his oil backers and he reckons Arsenal are the best of the rest.

He mentioned that the club had spoken with him about the potential of returning in some capacity. I  have no idea what that would look like, but whatever it was, he turned it down.

In some ways, a move back would make sense, Fergie is still around the United situation, which clearly isn’t helping. I think he should probably leave it a year, get a job managing a team, then return as a footballing man in some capacity in the future. Say what you will about him, he’d be a good look for the club at an exec level (football side). As long as he weren’t deeply entrenched in decision making.

It’s all a bit sad with Arsene. He’ll probably blame his loyalty for his jobless situation when the reality is his problems largely stem from allowing power to corrupt his view of the game. Great leaders throughout history have shown a serious lack of ability to change their ways once they hit the heights. Arsene Wenger surrounded himself with yes men that he never changed, he scoffed at tech, he believed that art was the only way, and he lost confidence in his final years as the game over-took him.

If you’d give him an elite team of coaches, scientists and data folk and forced him to listen, things might have been very different.

A lesson for us all… don’t believe your own hype, it’s probably not real.

There’s an interesting piece on Sky Sports, who do great data work imo.

This is how Arsenal look this season. It all makes sense. We’re direct, we like to counter, we’re not the high sequence passers of yesteryear and we’re not much for play through the middle.

The Unai Emery takeover is complete. Nothing fancy to see here. I’ll have to be fine with the approach if it delivers us third, but for a club that wanted to retain the beautiful game, it’s a pretty grim evolution and it’s totally bereft of anything exciting.

The footballing equivalent of Brexit… OUT MEANS OUT… for so many years, then you’re stuck on WTO terms in the freezing cold and you can’t get a pot of Marmite.

Pepe was sent back from international duty because he wants to work on his fitness in London. Finally, someone in charge at Arsenal who wants to do the right thing for Arsenal FC. Nice work, Raul.

Southgate has just announced a line-up without Jadon Sancho. FFS…

See you in the comments. x

 

 

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  1. Marko

    And no I dont agree that Wenger is making all this up. Guys got too much clout and sauce for that.

    Guy has been unemployed and dying to get back to work since being sacked and outside of a Fulham job offer has had fuck all interest. He should have taken that job but his ego demands something bigger and I wish him luck in that regard because no major club will touch the old fool. And now he’s just spouting sound bites to remind people that he’s still around and still looking for a job. Arsene they know they just don’t care. Quick remind people of that time you nearly signed (insert name of great player Arsene dithered on). That’ll get you a headline for a day or two

  2. WengerEagle

    There’s still a player in Mhik but we did absolutely the right thing in binning him off to Italy.

    Guy can’t be fucked most of the time, rare to see such a disinterested professional footballer. Tubby in recent times too.

  3. WengerEagle

    If Nadal wins tonight he’s won more US Open titles [4] than Djokovic [3], pretty insane stat considering how much better Djokovic is on Hard Courts.

    Crazy how much twists and turns there has been in the GS title count. Looked only back in July that Djokovic was unstoppable and would blitz his way to another 4 titles within the next year to tie up Federer at 20 only for Federer to blow two match points in the Wimbledon Final which arguably puts him out of sight from Djokovic on 21 to 15.

    Now Rafa looks sets to win his 19th with the FO next summer his best chance to tie up Federer on 20. Not sure who’d you put your money on at this moment to finish with the most outright.

  4. WengerEagle

    Marko

    You watch Keane and Neville on that Off the Ball show?

    Funny how Neville’s enthusiasm for coaching was completely extinguished by his hapless Valencia stint, not that he admits that. Pretended his heart wasn’t in it which I thought was a cop out.

    Keane’s funny but he’s as bitter as they come. Cannot let go of any perceived slight and it’s why he’s a useless gaffer and will never succeed in that field. Lacks so much self-awareness it’s incredible. Couldn’t even be the bigger man when Fergie was in seriously ill health.

  5. Nelson

    @Bat

    Mihki scored the first two goals and forced an own goal. He is a good player when his heart is in it. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to care about the Arsenal team. He’ll try harder whenever he he feels like.

  6. Marko

    I didn’t see it WE. Yeah they just don’t seem like they have it in them to be actual decent managers though I don’t think Neville should give it up altogether. There’s probably a fear factor in it for him now whereas Keane is just too stubborn to not realize he’s a bit shit

  7. Globalgunner

    The irony of human nature is that egotistical gits like Keane who wont take orders from any manager. Act like school principals when they are given a chance to lead. The only person that loves Keane is probably his dog and even then its probably because of sausages. He is a complete mentalist

  8. Spanishdave

    Wenger has had his nice little earner being paid off and now he’s feeling the pinch down to his last 50 mil.
    The old narcissist needs a look at me job.
    Dickhead

  9. Ishola70

    Nelson
    “Mihki scored the first two goals and forced an own goal. He is a good player when his heart is in it. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to care about the Arsenal team. He’ll try harder whenever he he feels like.”

    He’s also a good player when the team he is playing for is called Henrikh Mkhitaryan FC meaning the whole team is set-up and tailored to him.

    As he is no Messi and at that this stage of his career it is unlikely that any top club is going to be picked solely in just getting the best out of Henrikh Mkhitaryan.

  10. Chris

    Ah Pierre with his ‘obsessives’ crap whenever Arsene’s name is mentioned. Is he not the subject of this particular post? Any discussion has been mostly objective but he was so divisive towards the end that there is bound to be mixed opinion.

  11. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Pedro

    Get your arse over to governors island an chore some plants from there, they have a lovely selection…
    Or alternatively go to the paddy’s memorial near Wall Street…
    Don’t pay for things that are free.

  12. China1

    All evidence points to no major clubs being interested in arsene since he got sacked

    That’s not surprising really but still seems to be disappointing for him as he appears to want back in

  13. Champagne charlie

    Wenger is a subject that brings out some really queer traits among some on here. Really hoping a good few are huffing and puffing thanks to the internet because massive LOL if some of that petty bollocks is genuine

  14. Marko

    Wenger is a subject that brings out some really queer traits among some on here

    Agree. Literally nothing even remotely resembling negative can be said without certain types perking up into action.

  15. Northbanker

    I wasn’t personally trying to be negative about Wenger- merely pointing out there is no job here for him to do as he doesn’t offer anything we now need

    .Edu is doing the most likely role and he is now more relevant

  16. Marko

    I rest my case too Charles. It’s clearly too much for some the negative attention he still gets despite being able to merely look the other way or scroll past said negativity.

  17. TR7

    WE

    ‘If Nadal wins tonight he’s won more US Open titles [4] than Djokovic [3], pretty insane stat considering how much better Djokovic is on Hard Courts.’

    Exactly why I said Nadal will be regarded as the GOAT when he hangs up his boot. A clay court player transforming himself in to a great champion on grass and hard courts too competing with the greastet grass player ever and possibly the most successful hard court player over. The only player among the trio of Fed, Djoker and Nadal who has never had it easy – he had prime Federer to contend with in his first half of the career and a prime Djoker in the second half. Fed had a free run before Nadal burst on the scene and Djoker had a free run for a while when both Fed and Nadal were struggling with age/injuries. Hopefully GS no 19 tonight and then no 20 will be a mere formality at FO 2020. If not for injuries he would already have an insurmountable lead over both Fed and Djoker by now. Anyway a great year for Rafa – Finalist at Aus Open, Champion at French Open, Semi-finalist at Wimbledon and hopefully another GS at US open.

  18. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Negativity is commonplace, it’s the comical level of pettiness that makes an appearance now and then. You’d know all about that mind.

  19. WengerEagle

    TR7

    I know that you’re a massive Rafa fan, he’s my favourite of the three too but you’re so disrespectful to Djokovic haha.

    How can age be a factor when he’s only 1 year older than Djokovic? And he’s been playing infinitely better himself these past couple of years in his 30’s than he did from mid 2014-2017 aged 28-30.

    This whole Djokovic had it easy narrative is bollocks, he’s had prime Rafa and Federer to contend with. It’s largely down to his own brilliance that they have been looked to be over the hill at times, he wiped the floor with Rafa in the Australian Open Final only 8 months ago there and Rafa’s looked his best since 2013 this past year.

    Federer cleaned house when his competition was Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, Baghdatis and a kid Rafa. As soon as Rafa seasoned and Djokovic exploded, his GS count dried up fast. He had 15 more GS titles than Djokovic and 10 more than Rafa in 2010. This decade has been largely a two headed monster in Djokovic and Rafa, Federer had that amazing year stint from Aus 2017-Aus 2018 with 3 GS titles but that aside this decade has belonged to Djoker and Rafa.

    Rafa will beat Federer’s final GS count if he wins tonight for me as I don’t see Fed winning again due to age, still think a healthy Djoker likely finishes with the outright most though.

    Let’s be honest, Rafa has had an incredibly favourable route to this US Open Final. Djokovic or Federer would likely have beaten him if recent meetings outside of Clay are taken into account.

  20. Marko

    Sure Charles sure. Think it was two or three whole comments on Wenger by myself that had you donning the cape and making an appearance. Marko called him a fool I must intervene. Relax pal back in your kennel it’s all good. Notice how never spoke on the actual subject at hand and whether or not he should come back in any capacity. Instead it’s just the usual “leave it out” with no substance

  21. WengerEagle

    Can make a pretty strong case for any of the top 3 being the GOAT although Djokovic needs another couple of GS titles before he’s unanimously in the conversation.

    Federer is based on accomplishments. Nadal is based on competition [both Federer and Djokovic in their absolute peak]. Djokovic is based on peak level of play in 2011 and 2015.

  22. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    It’s a non-story, he’s not coming back in any capacity so I’m not that interested in it thanks. As for the “leave it out” rubbish I’ve said no such thing, do as you please, I said find the pettiness hilarious if genuine.

    You sound like a right legend spitting feathers in anonymity on a blog about a 70 year old guy you’ve never met. Must have loads going on in your life to give so many fucks haha whalloper.

  23. Champagne charlie

    Weagle

    Shut your slut mouth, Federer 4eva lol

    Think there’s a touch of the Tiger Woods here, so much about Federer is immeasurable. Dude is personification of tennis for me, and Nadal gives me those tingly feelings. Not a Serb fan, mad respect but meh.

  24. Pierre

    Marko
    “Agree. Literally nothing even remotely resembling negative can be said (about wenger) without certain types perking up into action.”

    I don’t suppose you noticed certain types (including yourself) perking up into action when I happened to mention a positive (about Wenger)the other day…..Le Grove went into a absolute meltdown for highlighting his achievements.

  25. TR7

    And no Fed would not have beat Rafa in this US if they had played against each other. He is possibly playing the best hard court tennis in his life. Better serve and short points – totally different Rafa. Djokovic was beat fair and square, not Rafa’s fault he did not get to play against him.

  26. TR7

    Agree with Charles that Fed is a living personification of tennis. Even if Djoker and Rafa suprass him in GS count, intangible aspects of his game such as style, class, elegance etc. will always amount for a lot in any GOAT discussion.

  27. WengerEagle

    TR7

    Injuries aren’t a fair excuse for Nadal, most of his injury trouble has been brought upon himself by his brutal style of play on his body. Crazy successful but incredibly taxing, pros and cons of his approach.

  28. WengerEagle

    Charlie

    Not arguing that Federer will go down as hands down the most gifted Tennis player of all time and it’s by a distance. Also the most memorable player and the one that connected the most with the fans.

    But to me GOAT is the best ever player and in any sport that is the person that retires with the most accomplishments and stayed at the top of the sport for the longest. Djokovic if he ends up with 20+ slams will tick all those boxes even if he wasn’t as sexy a player as Federer or as fiery a competitor as Rafa.

    It’s an individual sport so H2H for me counts for a lot. He has a positive H2H vs both out of close to 100 total matches and has dominated both of them in Finals unlike any other.

    I’d 100% back Djokovic at his peak vs anyone I’ve ever seen play the game of tennis and for me that’s case closed re GOAT as they’ll all end up with very similar looking Slam counts and accomplishments.

  29. Marko

    You sound like a right legend spitting feathers in anonymity on a blog about a 70 year old guy you’ve never met.

    Sure that’s what’s going on. Don’t take it so personal Charles he’s not a member of your family or even know you exist

  30. WengerEagle

    Fed blitzed through Rafa only 6 odd weeks ago at Wimbledon in 4 sets. And he’s 6-1 H2H vs Rafa since 2015 [7-1 if you include a walkover] with the FO loss this year his only one.

    Rafa would have struggled to beat him no doubt. And Djokovic destroyed him in Australia in less than 2 hours.

  31. Marko

    I don’t suppose you noticed certain types (including yourself) perking up into action when I happened to mention a positive (about Wenger)the other day

    Yeah that’s cause people were flabbergasted that you not only added meaningless charity shields to his trophy haul but also finals lost. What was it 20 at the final count

  32. WengerEagle

    To be fair re Neymar it’s off the field trouble including injuries that’s seen him stagnate since the PSG move, nothing to do with falling short on the pitch.

    And as I said, prefer Nadal to Djokovic but just objective regarding his place in the GOAT discussion.

  33. WengerEagle

    I like this Medvedev kid though have to say even if I’m rooting for Rafa to get to that 19th slam.

    Ballsy lad giving it right back to that horrible US Open crowd there last week. Worst crowd in all of tennis hands down, was only delighted to see that teenager beat the brakes off Mother Serena last night.

  34. TR7

    Medvedev is a good player. He has perhaps the best footwork outside of the 3 giants of the game. He has a calm head on him and looks like a tennis player who is good at analysing the game of opponents.

  35. Champagne charlie

    “Sure that’s what’s going on. Don’t take it so personal Charles he’s not a member of your family or even know you exist“

    😂😂 the self awareness

  36. WengerEagle

    Everyone said that Thiem was the next big hope from the new gen, he’s been getting knocked out of slams in the 1st round FO aside and he’s 26. Rafa had won how many slams by that age?

    Same goes for Zverev although he is 22. Medvedev looks to have something about him all right.

  37. WengerEagle

    Tennis will take a massive dip when Djokovic and Nadal retire though. They were slapping around the previous top generation in their 20’s and you look at Federer at 38 still making deep tournament runs for fun along with Nadal and Djoker winning slams at 33/32.

  38. TR7

    Tsitsipas too has flattered to deceive after showing some early promise. That spoilt brat Krygios is the only one who is capable of challenging the top 3. Others are pony.

  39. Redtruth

    I think Connors only played one Australian Open and not man French and the same goes for many players in that era. Had Connors played more he would of surely won more Grand Slam titles

  40. WengerEagle

    Borg never even competed at the Aus Open which was played in grass until ’86.

    Fair to say he’d have won a few of them considering he won 5 Wimbeldon titles out of of 6 attempts before he retired [losing a Final to McEnroe].

  41. Redtruth

    Connors won eight Grand Slam singles championships: five US Opens, two Wimbledons, and one Australian Open. He did not participate in the French Open during his peak years (1974–78), as he was banned from playing by the event in 1974 due to his association with World Team Tennis (WTT).[7][8] and in the other four years was either banned or chose not to participate. He only played in two Australian Opens in his entire career, winning it in 1974 and reaching the final in 1975. Few highly ranked players, aside from Australians, travelled to Australia for that event up until the mid-1980s

  42. TR7

    Borg the only player to have won both Wimbledon and French open at least 5 times each. I don’t think any other player has won even 3 each such is the stark contrast between the nature of two courts.

  43. WengerEagle

    Yeah TR7 it’s insane to think that two of the greatest players of all time in Federer and Djokovic [36 slams between them] have won a combined total of 2 FO titles between them in their entire careers. And both of those were captured without having to go through Rafa.

    Rafa on clay is as close to unbeatable as you’ll ever see in top level sport.

  44. Pierre

    Marko
    “Yeah that’s cause people were flabbergasted that you not only added meaningless charity shields to his trophy haul .

    I have always found that you normally deal in the truth so I’m not sure why you would need to lie about something so trivial to prove a point.

  45. Bojangles

    Even if Emery can’t see or chooses to ignore Xhaka’s faults, there is at least a possibility he may miss a couple of games next month due to the expected birth of his child.

  46. tee

    ” Even if Emery can’t see or chooses to ignore Xhaka’s
    faults, there is at least a possibility he may miss a couple
    of games next month due to the expected birth of his
    child. ”

    and the couple of games missed we earn us top 4 right?

    the earlier Emery realise torrreira should be starting as our DM nd not Xhaka, the better for the team.

  47. Bojangles

    Tee

    I never implied that at all, just your interpretation.

    Torriera is a BWM but being played as a CM, while Xhaka (please feel free to enter your own opinion of his position) is being played as a DLP. For me, Xhaka’s best position is at home with his wife.

  48. China1

    If we’re going to count charity shields as wengers success, please let us not forget emirates cups. They required playing multiple teams and winning extra points from superior goal difference

    We stopped even winning those eventually but won a few of the early ones

    #Majorsilverware

  49. China1

    If cup finals count, we can also credit arsenal for all those world class players he nearly but didn’t sign

    Great memories

  50. Bojangles

    According to Kane, he doesn’t cheat and he’s correct. It’s called football trickery. May even be something coached at Spuds nowadays.

  51. Nelson

    Granit Xhaka may have picked up an Achilles injury during Switzerland’s 4-0 win over Gibraltar. He hobbled off on 74 minutes after undergoing treatment. Xhaka has hinted that he could sit out his country’s upcoming fixtures with Denmark and Ireland because his wife is due to give birth in October. Wonder whether he’ll sit out some Arsenal fixtures also.
    We’ll have Holding available in October. I would try Chambers or Luiz as DM. Both are defensively better than Xhaka.

  52. Pierre

    China1
    “If we’re going to count charity shields as wengers success, please let us not forget emirates cups. They required playing multiple teams and winning extra points from superior goal difference ”

    Trolling and lying at the same time from China.

    Nice one .

  53. Ivan

    Bojangels

    – and he is spot on. Tbh in my eyes Gazidis is main culprit for all shit that came after his appointment.

    We can rage on Wenger till the end of days, but in the end he was hired to be manager, not allfather of Arsenal.

    If we had current managament structure i bet Wenger would won us a title or two more and team wouldnt be such a mess after he left.

  54. Chris

    I look forward to reading Wenger’s autobiography.

    The first part would be fascinating from a footballing point of view, how the double teams and the Invincibles were formed and the early days at the Emirates etc.

    The second part probably equally fascinating if he goes into depth about Gazidis and his feelings on the last few years. I don’t think he is a person to openly criticise others in such a format but still think there would be some interesting insight into how things fell apart.

  55. Dissenter

    Pedro
    Late into the conversation
    Don’t throw the plants away, they aren’t the problem. It’s fungus gnats or fruit flies in the potted mix/soil.

    Get some neem oil Or
    Get some Dr. Bronner’s – Pure-Castile Liquid Soap
    Or just change the top layer of the potted mix.

  56. Pierre

    I was forever critical of Ramsey’s role in centre mid and how Wenger allowed him to play with a lack of discipline for such an important role in the team.

    Emery has installed more discipline in the midfield, that’s for sure , the problem is that he has only rarely achieved the balance in that area and it appears like it will be an ongoing theme this season.

    If Xhaka is injured for the next 3/4 games it give the manager a chance to experiment (for want of a better word) in the midfield area.

    Xhaka was out for the Burnley game and we played 4-2-3-1 with willock and Guendouzi in centre mid with ceballos in front (CAM)..I think it’s fair to say that this worked pretty well.
    Willock and Guendouzi were very effective and gave superb support to Ceballos to weave his magic.
    I liked the energy that these 3 gave the team , they were also very disciplined in their play.
    Personally, I would like to see these 3 given a chance to form an effective midfield.

    Another option could be to play Luiz or Torreira at the base of midfield as they would give the defence more protection (hopefully)..

    I see Mhkitaryan showed his undoubted ability the weekend.
    It’s a shame that our manager couldn’t find a way to use him effectively, what a waste though it doesn’t surprise me as the manager has continually struggled to find a way of using the CAM/No.10 in this present Arsenal team, let’s hope that Ceballos can give him what he is looking for.

  57. Pierre

    From the daily mail ,
    “I’ve been suffering for a few weeks now’: Arsenal midfielder Granit Xhaka reveals he has been playing through achilles injury after being taken off during Switzerland’s win over Gibraltar”

    Then why has Emery been playing him?

    It shows a lack of trust in his other midfield players ….

  58. Receding Hairline

    “If we had current managament structure i bet Wenger would won us a title or two more and team wouldnt be such a mess after he left.”

    Nice one

    At least you had the balls to write what you meant to write and own it rather than the usual word games some engage in

  59. Receding Hairline

    “I see Mhkitaryan showed his undoubted ability the weekend.
    It’s a shame that our manager couldn’t find a way to use him effectively, what a waste though it doesn’t surprise me as the manager has continually struggled to find a way of using the CAM/No.10 in this present Arsenal team, let’s hope that Ceballos can give him what he is looking for.”

    Petty but expected, i knew two goals against Bosnia will bring out the gossip in you

  60. Dissenter

    Pierre
    ‘I was forever critical of Ramsey’s role in centre mid and how Wenger allowed him to play with a lack of discipline for such an important role in the team.’

    Problem is that you turned 100% of your ire on the player, not the manager that signed him when he was 17 years old. You had strong opinions about the player whose entire adult professional career was molded by Wenger but you left out the manager who didn’t give proper direction.

    …and we are the obsessives?
    Have to stop now before Pedro parachutes in. He’s decided that you’re a species close to extinction from de-wengerization.

  61. Pierre

    RH
    In your mind it may be petty but you also know it’s correct..

    What’s your take on the manager playing Xhaka whilst carrying an injury.

  62. Dissenter

    The Achilles tendon problems have nothing to do with why Xhaka will lunge at Son’s feet in the penalty box.

    We are short staffed in the midfield, to answer the question of why play Xhaka?
    Willocks is a young lad starting in his first season- he needs proper management.
    Guendouzi is more seasoned now but is also very young. He was overplayed last season.
    Ceballos too have been carrying some knocks.
    Torriera was definitely tell close to burn-out last season too.
    We’ve moved on Mykhi and Elneny. We need bodies in the middle of the field desperately.
    Emery has to find a way to bring Ozil back in, what’s the point of paying the chap the second highest wages in the league if he’s not going to play.

  63. Receding Hairline

    “What’s your take on the manager playing Xhaka whilst carrying an injury.”

    What’s your take on Xhaka reporting for international duty and playing two matches in three days if he knew he was indeed injured?

    Many players struggling with Injury pulled out of the internationals, if he is declared fit he plays and no one heard of this alleged injury until he went off yesterday

  64. Receding Hairline

    “In your mind it may be petty but you also know it’s correct..”

    No its petty

    Emery if anything had too much trust in Mhki, played him regularly and in a position where he flourished in his one super season at Dortmund. He can play number 10 in his country Armenia, good on them, but Mkhi in a three man midfield in the premiership does not work

    I suppose the manager (Mourinho) who also paid 30+ off million for him used him “incorrectly” . And if he fails to be consistent at Roma he is used “incorrectly” also, when do these players take responsibility for their under performance Pierre?

  65. Pierre

    Dissenter
    “We are short staffed in the midfield, to answer the question of why play Xhaka?”

    There are many options Emery could have used .

    Luiz or chambers DM…..ozil/Mhkitaryan if Ceballos is, as you say , carrying knocks (debatable).

    Willock and Guendouzi have already shown us that they are more than capable of putting in quality performances and playing Torreira in DM is where he should be anyway.

    But no , you carry on believing that xhaka should be starting despite carrying an injury.

  66. China1

    We shouldn’t be playing ozil because he’s expensive. We should be playing him because he makes us better.

    But he doesn’t make us better, he makes us worse. So unfortunately that leaves him as either an expensive onfield burden or an expensive off field waster

    Against teams that aren’t relegation fodder and away from home I’d rather the latter

  67. Dissenter

    China1
    I disagree
    He’s an extra body, fit and ready to go pas far as I know]
    He’s a professional footballer paid by Arsenal FC who’s had a full preseason.
    We won’t know if he’s going to make us better if he doesn’t get minutes<last season [and the season before that] may have just been an extended bad patch.
    We don’t have the personnel to completely freeze out a 30 year old player with his supposed pedigree.

  68. Dissenter

    Pierre
    You have some quaint idea that players should never play with an injury?
    It’s the players willingness, the type of injury, degree to which that injury limits performance and the availability of other playing options that determine if the player is fielded.
    That’s a decision that the medical people in the club will make. You seem to be suggesting that Emery played Xhaka…like he forced him.

    One of Xhaka’s strengths is that he makes himself available no matter what. Maybe that’s why managers like him.

  69. Freddie Ljungberg

    “Xhaka has now surprisingly revealed that he suffered a recurrence of an Achilles problem which has plagued him over the past month, but is optimistic that he won’t be facing any time in the treatment room.

    “I’ve been suffering from Achilles tendon pain for a few weeks now. I felt it during the game,” he said following Switzerland’s win.

    “It hurts now, but it should be okay otherwise.”

    Really sounds like he’s on deaths door Pierre.

    You still can’t get it into your tiny, bitter little head that Torreira and Ceballos didn’t have a preseason and the latter is also adapting to a new league, while Willock is new to senior football. I’m sure Xhaka will get phased out slowly (too slow for my liking) in the next couple of months.

    Mikhi is Armenias (only) star player and can play with complete freedom there and he hardly plays any opposition on the level of a PL team.
    He just wasn’t good enough/interested enough for the League. Lets hope Serie A is more his level so we can get a fee for him next summer.

  70. Bojangles

    It’s possible Özil isn’t playing because Emery doesn’t want to play an AM and Xhaka is playing because he wants to play a DLP and Xhaka is the only one we have that fits the bill.

  71. China1

    Xhaka is very good at high diagonal balls but I don’t think he qualifies as a deep lying playmaker because I think you need more than that

    When I think of a deep playmaker I think of cesc or pirlo. Those guys had fabulous passing ranges but what’s more important imo is how it’s used. Those two could create chances and major transitions out of nothing from as deep as you like so their contribution was as much about unlocking teams and helping the team break through the lines which supports the attack.

    As good as xhaka genuinely is at that particular kind of pass, he tends to play a very cumbersome game letting the opposition drop back this meaning his nicely played passes almost always end up going to someone who is not a direct threat or close to being one to the opposition.

    Most of his passes, whilst they’re are technically impressive, just go to a winger in an entirely harmless position. Which is why xhaka’s play contributes next to nothing to the attack.

    Cesc was playing the same ball but as a through ball onto a rushing winger and playing it 3 seconds early when the opposition were still wrong footed

    That’s a deep lying playmaker imo

  72. Northbanker

    Xhaka should be left in the same rejects corner as the other Wenger dross such as Mustafi that we haven’t yet got rid of

    We need to build for the future and not use these players again I would even say that this should be so even if it puts us at short term risk but the last contributions of these 2 puts us more at risk by playing them

  73. Bojangles

    As I said, the only midfielder we have that fits the bill. Who else do we have that can play that position, seeing Pirlo and Fabregas are not available.

  74. Bojangles

    CC

    I agree that he is not a playmaker but there is nobody else in our squad that can play there. If you have bothered to read my previous posts you would know my feelings about Xhaka. If Emery insists on playing DLP Xhaka will be selected until we buy one hopefully in January.

  75. Dissenter

    Bojangles
    ‘As I said, the only midfielder we have that fits the bill. Who else do we have that can play that position, seeing Pirlo and Fabregas are not available.’

    Agreed, our midfield is short of real options.
    Besides Xhaka, we have a 24 year old Uruguayan still coming to terms with livin/h in England and two 19/20 year player as well as a loanee from Real Madrid.

  76. Nelson

    @China1
    “Cesc was playing the same ball but as a through ball onto a rushing winger and playing it 3 seconds early when the opposition were still wrong footed”

    Very good observation! Often we saw Cese long balls drop inside the opponent’s box allowing the attackers to threaten the goal. Some of his passes to Diego Costa helped Chelsea winning the League.

  77. Marko

    “My frustration in the end was that I didn’t have enough time to think about football,” he told beIN SPORTS.

    “Maybe because I was in a form of model of management where I had so many things to do but I was slowly, if I think back today, I was invaded between the time I arrived to the end.

    “I was basically invaded by demands that stopped me from concentrating on what is the most important part of my job.”

    Playing the woe it’s me angle. See it wasn’t his fault he was such a control freak and micromanaged everything it was eh someone else…he was invaded actually. Bloody rich coming from him honestly. Like he didn’t demand final say over everything, demean the role of DOF or go around the CEO and have one on one meetings with the owner to get a new deal. He’s absolutely desperate for a job

  78. China1

    If you ask his wife I gather arsene invades a French woman in Paris not too long before his marriage broke down

    Just sayin

  79. Moe

    Marko,
    This from a man who didn’t know if a DOF controlled traffic. Priceless.

    Revisionist nonsense, hoping that his audience have short term memories. Still comes across as arrogant, the one trait that turned the tide for me against him. Such arrogance!

  80. China1

    Xhaka is a player with basically one major talent in a game and more importantly a position where top players require several on a minute by minute basis

    There are extremely few high end players who are just great at one thing. And it’s in a large part because abilities and skills compliment one another

    If you have his long passing skill *and* can turn a man inside out like Ceballos/cesc/santi then you have an extremely potent weapon for transitions and counter attacks. But xhaka can’t turn his man. I can’t ever recall seeing him properly skin a guy or take a player completely out the game with a bit of genius with the ball

    But fair enough. If you have that passing range and you’re brilliant at reading the game then you’re gonna make a tone of good reads and tackles helping out a bunch defensively and will be very tidy in possession.

    But he can’t do that either. Not even close. It’s his worst attribute in fact.

    Ok sure but if you’re a fabulous leader and organizer then maybe your net contribution to the team in bringing your team mates up makes you a net contributor.

    Sorry never seen him contribute any kind of notable leadership intelligence or qualities. On the contrary it’s regularly his carelessness that costs the team. No leader.

    Ok but maybe he’s fast as hell like Theo so has some kind of arbitrary advantage over opposition? Or maybe he’s a man mountain who players bounce off like all Campbell? Or maybe he is crazy versatile? Or maybe he’s not a special player but consistently a 7/10?

    No. No. No. no.

    CC the sad and honest truth is that he’s a pretty bad footballer with a single stand out feature – one which he doesn’t manage to make any value out of because the rest of his shortcomings don’t allow it.

    That’s calling a spade a spade

  81. Moe

    Xhaka is a net negative performer for Arsenal. The opportunity cost alone is staggering. There isn’t a player who doesn’t have some sort of positives. That however, is not the ultimate assessor.

  82. Marko

    Oh still totally arrogant. I suggest also when his likely wank titled book comes out not to bother getting it because he’s the type who won’t tell all he won’t take responsibility for his failings he’ll pass it off as something else. Which is a shame because I always wanted to know truly what was behind the Park Chu Young signing. Fishy as fuck that one

  83. China1

    Mate I think the Park chu Young signing was the same as all our Asian signings. Cynical.

    I think without exception, we’ve gone after Asian players to sell shirts in these highly lucrative markets. Wait another couple of years and he’d have bought an 8th choice CM from China to sit in the reserves for a way in to this market too

    Frankly there are very few genuinely good Asian players but we never went for them and on the one occasion we had a good one ie Inamoto he was totally ignored

  84. DigitalBob

    Thanks for the link to the Opta Skysports stats – So at the moment we have a style similar to Pool/Klopps gegenpress except without the pressing? Wtf is that about then, either do it or don’t.

    The only pressure I normally see is the opposition applying it to our backline.

  85. Sid

    The only time chambers should play DM is for a team that wants to get relegated, Luiz is a CB theres more time there to pick passes than in midfield.
    Mikhi showed his undoubted ability? Someone needs to taken to castle black and let out the gates to join the wildlings

  86. Bojangles

    The idea of paternity leave for footbsllers is ludicrous. One match is the maximum number a player need miss and that only if the birth of his child falls on that match day.

    In Xhaka’s case, any reason that keeps him away from the team is valid but giving him paternity leave sets a precedent. Nobody will be happy if, say Laca is granted paternity leave with a couple of must win games approaching.