Alex Songification of Torreira + Mustafi chooses reserves

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Well, here we are, another day in Mustafi paradise.

The German didn’t move on. Juventus pondered a move and thought better.

I’m deeply disappointed, not from a footballing perspective, but from a personal one.

How can a young man have so little faith in their own ability to get their game back on track?

He’s basically blackballed himself. He’s sat and stayed for the money because he loves his contract. He’ll rot in our reserves, he’ll become irrelevant, then when the time comes for a new deal, he’ll have to pick up a lower-paying deal because everyone will know he’s a mercenary.

Football is a short career, play it.

We did manage to move on Mikhi. I thought he’d be a good signing, he wasn’t, he was a terrible move made under extreme duress in one of the worst deals of all time for both clubs involved.

I’m reading a book called Football Hackers, they have a bit of a thing for that time Klopp went down the pan in his last season at Dortmund. The gist was that he was just really unlucky, and xG numbers pointed that out. Colin Trainor went deeper, he pointed out some of the additional elements that factored in the failings… one of them was the quality of shots they were making. Mikhi being the main culprit for having a lot of shots of low quality… 34 returning zero goals.

The second, more interesting decline in Dortmund was the amount of defensive actions taken in the opposition half. Basically, good pressing. Mikhi’s contribution halved in a season.

Now, I know he went on to have a great season under Tuchel, so I did wonder if he’s just very affected by who is managing him and how. Or, he could just have had one really great season and never been able to repeat it.

I hope he finds something in Roma, because he really has looked finished for a while.

GREAT NEWS is this: He’s left an opening for Reiss, Gabriel, Saka OR ESR (who was called up to the first team). I know getting overly excited about upcoming talent is a bad thing, but come on, there’s a one in four chance of success here. I know they don’t all play Mikhi’s position, but there’s literally no senior cover out wide now. Get the kids in, let’s see what they can do… there’s no better position to test your mettle. I really, REALLY, hope one of the cuts the mustard.

Nacho has properly gone. I shed a tear. But one laced with joy. He was a great servant to the club. He’s a bit like Sagna for me, too good for the managers he’s played under. I wish him the best of luck in Spain, where he said he went to be with his family… god damn it, I’m welling up again.

Icardi moved to PSG. Be interesting to see how he gets on there, a proper tasty striker in my opinion. Now under the stuttering Thomas Tuchel. I have to say, I’m not sure what the fuck PSG have been up to this summer, it looks like Ed Woodward has been advising their transfers strategy, some real bland players entering the fray.

I saw that Frimpong moved to Celtic… then realised that there is more than one Frimpong in the world.

DENCH.

Remember when saying that to Arsenal fans was cool? Arsenal’s equivalent of WAASSSSSUPPPPP. Now it’s just, you know, lame.

Debate continued to roar after the Spurs game. I was very pleased to see The Daily Mail, Sky, and The Times gun for Harry Kane and his despicable cheating. He is English and he’s a disgrace. Someone needs to pull him to one side and tell him that what he did wasn’t shielding the ball, it was angling for a penalty. At least the refs are onto him.

I didn’t give Bernd Leno much of a grilling yesterday, so it feels fair that I give him one today.

He really needs to get his act together. Last season he made 5 errors that led to goals (joint worst in the league), this season, he’s already made two. That limp wrist wasn’t good. His overall performance was jittery. He needs to take a valium and calm down or the HUGE Matt Macey will have to step in and show him what keeping is all about. I hear he’s growing a ‘safe hands’ moustache to intimidate Bernd. I don’t condone it, but you do what you have to do to win in war.

Another point I missed was the Alex-Songification of Torreira. What is the obsession with making defensive midfielders play in more attacking roles? I don’t think it suits his game and I think it’s a bad idea. I know he can move the ball nicely, but there’s a very big difference between a cute 10-yard pass at the base of midfield to trying to be decisive in the opposition penalty box.

I also read that Joe Willock is injured. Could be why he was dropped yesterday, maybe he had an issue in the warm-up?

MATTEO. I watched that goal back again and it’s so good, I feel like I should be watching it at home locked in a bedroom. David Luiz, his hair spirit animal, had this to say.

“He’s a youngster with a lot of talent. He’s young but he’s a great player… He’s going to do great things not just for Arsenal, for France, but for the world.”

FOR THE WORLD INDEED, FAM!

Right, on that note, I’ll ask you to listen to my solo podcast about the meaning of dairy-free life… there’s a bit on Arsenal as well.

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  1. Luteo Guenreira

    Spurs had a few managers who failed to hit their target until they settled on one who did.

    I don’t know if it’s intentional or not but this point of view is nearly absent of any consideration for how Arsenal were structured for so long and who the club was moving on from. Not really the same situation as Spurs.

  2. azed

    Valentin

    Yesterday, you claimed Jardim might not be happy with his team, last season, the problem was Emenalo.

    Why don’t you judge Jardim the same way you judge Emery?

    Yesterday, I, Silverhawk and a few others put out a challenge to you, Pedro, UN and co..

    Give us a measurable metric and at the end of the day, we will judge all coaches in the EPL and see how rubbish Emery is.

  3. Un na naai

    Azed

    Yes and those players has regressed under wenger too in the final season

    If emery thought Koscielny and Monreal were so appalling then why did he not keep chambers and ask for a left back in January rather than Suarez

  4. azed

    “Usually a manager is hired for the long term, however most board also know that things may not turn as expected so they put some contingency. A two years deal with an option to increase. ManUtd had clause so they could sack Moyes if minimum results (qualification for the Champion League) were not achieved. They did the same with VanGaal.”

    Well according to Ornstein, Emery is/was far ahead of were management thought the squad would be last season.

    Also boards don’t back Managers they don’t like but Emery has so far got the backing of the board.

  5. Luteo Guenreira

    Does is really matter what it’s called or labeled? It was going to be a transition regardless. It happens with every scenario in life, not just football, where a legend of a manager/player/whatever moves on (or gets sacked) and the successor will never get the same adulation from the fans that held the previous manager in such high regard. We know why so many fans love Wenger, I’m not disputing that. But this scenario was so predictable even years before Wenger left.

    Honestly that’s why I give Emery a lot of credit for his professionalism With the squad we had it was ripe for a Moyes situation. The potential of future success in the position of being Arsenal manager will look a lot more promising next summer than it did last. .

  6. Un na naai

    Words

    You’ve made some great points but that not entirely it. If we are going to have dull and pragmatic football then I want to see it working. I want our defence to tighten up and our midfield to dominate the opposition either physically or in packs with highly aggressive pressing.

    We are in limbo with the worst of all worlds
    Neither one nor the other. Our counter attacks are largely limp. Our possession is largely toothless and our defensive work is still as laughable as ever.

  7. azed

    “Wow, must have been a very long day.”

    Karim

    The hypocrisy is nauseating.
    I know Pedro doesn’t like Emery because he preferred Arteta and I am fine with that but there are some who would say absolutely rubbish just to have a go at Emery.

  8. Valentin

    Azed,

    In Wenger last season AOC was gone. In his last six month, Alexis was shockingly bad. We all thought that Alexis was not interested and sulking, when it looks from his performance at ManUtd it was more serious than that.

    On the plus side, Emery had a fully settled Aubameyang and Lacazette firing on full cylinder.
    A better keeper than Cech in Leno.

    Regarding the defense Chambers was sent to Fulham by Wenger?

  9. Un na naai

    Azed

    Emery sent him out. Why not keep him if monreal and Koscielny were such sub par options?
    Dont forget these guys got us a whisker from the el final and had a nearly identical season to the one emery managed with better players added to the squad and allegedly, a superior tactician and coach

  10. Un na naai

    The hypocrisy is nauseating.
    I know Pedro doesn’t like Emery because he preferred Arteta and I am fine with that but there are some who would say absolutely rubbish just to have a go at Emery.

    Azed
    No
    Were are just comparing his debut season with Wenger’s worst ever from 22 and they appear nearly identical despite the clear advantages at emery’s disposal.

  11. azed

    “In his last six month, Alexis was shockingly bad. We all thought that Alexis was not interested and sulking, when it looks from his performance at ManUtd it was more serious than that.”

    You could say the same thing about Mhkitaryan and Ozil.

  12. azed

    “Azed
    No
    Were are just comparing his debut season with Wenger’s worst ever from 22 and they appear nearly identical despite the clear advantages at emery’s disposal.”

    Wenger built his team
    Emery inherited his

    See if you can spot the difference.

  13. Un na naai

    Also boards don’t back Managers they don’t like but Emery has so far got the backing of the board.

    Azed
    So? They backed wenger too. It means nothing. The new team are charged with bringing the club back to the top. Do you suppose they don’t add quality new players just in case emery has another dud season?

    Especially after the we care do you situation. Did you really expect them to sit on their hands?

    This is more a case of “right, you’ve been backed, now show us what you can do”

    If he fails he’s gone
    Sours chelsea and untied are there for the taking for the second year in a row and he’s had £200m spent on him on top of Aubameyang and lacazette already being handed to him with some exciting young talent sprinkled around the squad.

    He should be laughing
    All Chelsea have is youth and they are much more exciting going forward than we are in just 3 months working under fat lamps

  14. Un na naai

    Azed

    Oh did he? He inherited Aubameyang and lacazette.

    The rest were all provided for him outside of xakha and ozil.

    Wenger inherited a 5th placed squad and won the title in his second season after spending around £10m.

  15. karim

    Fair play Azed.

    I am a stubborn guy myself but you’ve impressed me tonight !
    Happy you didn’t take it bad my friend !

  16. azed

    “All Chelsea have is youth and they are much more exciting going forward than we are in just 3 months working under fat lamps”

    If exciting was very important, Leeds would not be playing in the Championship now and Wenger would have a job.

  17. HillWood

    No team will win the major honours if the manager doesn’t take defending seriously.
    When Emery came here he said he would rather win 5-4 than 1-0
    If he gets us to the Champions League we will be also rans
    No different to Wenger

  18. azed

    “Wenger inherited a 5th placed squad and won the title in his second season after spending around £10m.”

    10M was big money in 1997 Un..

  19. Pedro

    My dislike of Emery has nothing to do with Arteta.

    He was a poorly thought out manager that had no track record with the things we needed.

    A bland pragmatist. No pedigree with defence. No CL track record. Couldn’t speak English. Was fired from his last job.

    We got exactly what I expected. Marginally better than Wenger. Unlikely to move us forward.

  20. MidwestGun

    I do understand that you struggle with the intricacies of football on the other side of the pond .
    ______

    How come when people have been shown up they always resort to this attempt at degrading where Im from. .. willing to bet I’ve played more football professionally and with a scholarship to go to University then most people . Done some time coaching and been following Arsenal since the early 80’s … so Yeah waiting for you to school me up Pierre because I’m from the US. You might be a better golfer…. stick to that.

  21. Un na naai

    Azed

    No it wasn’t!!

    Alan Shearer went to Newcastle for £15m in 96
    Collymore went for £8m in 95

    We did that over two seasons on around 7 players.

    Anyway. Let’s nit get sidetracked.
    Emery is Leo right now hanging on to a door in the Arctic whispering never let go.

    The cold is coming for him.

  22. azed

    Pedro

    “He was a poorly thought out manager that had no track record with the things we needed.A bland pragmatist.
    No pedigree with defence. No CL track record. Couldn’t speak English. Was fired from his last job.”

    This is the hypocrisy I talk about, you wrote plenty posts in support of Arteta becoming the Manager yet he has none of this things too.

    Why is it one rule for Emery and another rule for other people?

  23. Un na naai

    Stay on topic azed
    He has a squad now that is almost entirely his own and the ones that are still here are here because he wants them. Apart from ozil.
    Let’s just watch the same shit play out this season as last
    The weird selections. The even weirder changes. The head scratching formations and tactics. The stupid squinting face he makes when he realises his game plan is being undone yet again

    Just another big fat I told you so coming in May azed

    With your name on it

  24. azed

    Un

    By the time Emery leaves, it would be undisputed that he left the squad in a better position than he met.

    Leaving a place better than you met it is progress.

  25. azed

    UN

    If you paid attention rather than pushing an agenda , you will see that everyone has said Emery would have to earn his contract extension.

    Raul and Edu will decide that by December and whatever decision they take, I won’t be shedding a tear.

    Can you say the same?

  26. Un na naai

    Oh and the porous defence. Excruciating mistakes

    The robotic midfield and the dull but efficient attack which is his only saving grace
    From the beginning of last season to now. He has relied on our two strikers to keep him anywhere near the top 6

  27. Un na naai

    Azed

    What do you mean can I say the same? Of course I won’t be shedding a tear if emery goes. I think he’s bad for arsenal. I think we can do much much better so if he quite happy if he goes
    We have an exciting playing squad and a capable backroom team now who seem switched on to providing us further high quality players.

    The only price of the jigsaw I feel
    That is holding us back is our coach. Which I thought was fairly evident over the last two games

  28. MidwestGun

    I forgot … I’ve also been sponsored by Puma. 😀 Sal got my a Le Grove sponsorship deal.
    Bet nobody else did that. Well except for N5 who was sponsored by DC Comics to be a shit Batman.

  29. Un na naai

    azedSeptember 3, 2019 21:27:32
    UnBy the time Emery leaves, it would be undisputed that he left the squad in a better position than he met.Leaving a place better than you met it is progress.

    Azed

    Nope
    Raul and edu have out this squad together with a little bit of Sven and some left over Wenger.

    Remember. Emery is just a coach.

    You’d think with all the additional time he has too that he’d think up some decent in game strategies

    Wenger was running the club from top to bottom remember?
    He wa responsible for everything. Must have been exhausting

    Emery’s role is streamlined and focused entirely on coaching and tactics
    Another beneficial factor

  30. HillWood

    Axed
    Wenger was a one man band
    Emery has a team deciding which players to bring in
    Personally I don’t think Emery is the best man to get the most out of them

  31. Un na naai

    Well except for N5 who was sponsored by DC Comics to be a shit Batman.

    Midwest

    There was me thinking it was a gimp suit he got caught in
    😂

  32. Luteo Guenreira

    Oddly enough I really would not be that surprised if the third year of Emery’s deal is activated at some point. I wonder what Le Grove would have to say about Edu and our new front office then.

  33. MidwestGun

    Un-
    Actually N5 … Looks like Steve-O from the Jackass movies… hahahahaha true story.. Oh and he won’t get me a date with his cousin the CP cheerleader, no idea why.

  34. Words on a Blog

    Un,

    Don’t disagree with you about the defence, but I’m reasonably happy with the state of the midfield – provided Xhaka doesn’t get picked for the big high intensity matches…

  35. azed

    “Oddly enough I really would not be that surprised if the third year of Emery’s deal is activated at some point. I wonder what Le Grove would have to say about Edu and our new front office then.”

    Un

    See the above for the meaning of
    “What do you mean can I say the same? ”

    I repeat, whatever happens to Emery, I will be fine…. what about you?

  36. Un na naai

    Words

    Ok. Let me put it another way. I’m happy with the personnel just not the way in which he’s attempting to utilize them.
    It’s too robotic
    There’s no fluidity to the side.

  37. salpardisenyc

    Mudwest

    Well have to get you an Adidas sponsorship, trickier they don’t give them out to just anybody and Raul FC.

  38. HillWood

    Words
    Do you think Emery wins us the Premiership
    Do you think Emery can win us the Champions League
    That’s what we should be aiming for

  39. MidwestGun

    Sal-
    Yes Adidas is harder to get… unless your Run- DMC. Where the hell is Kwikfit these days…? need him back here… I miss Drunken International break .. video nights. And the tales of waking up in Germany with no recollection of how he got there.

  40. Luteo Guenreira

    Do you think Emery wins us the Premiership
    Do you think Emery can win us the Champions League
    That’s what we should be aiming for

    I don’t think we’ve seen enough from Arsenal the club — from top to bottom — to believe that we will be challenging for either of these anytime soon, regardless of who the manager is. But I’ve at least become hopeful that this kind of future might be attainable in the next 5-7 years, maybe, with the type of smart dealing the club has exhibited this summer.

  41. Nelson

    Martin Keown: “Xhaka is like a fire engine that turns up and discovers the house has already burned down – he’s that late”

  42. bennydevito

    Good ebening Grovers,

    Crikey it’s been feisty in here today! I’ve only just got through all the day’s comments.

    PedroSeptember 3, 2019    17:15:00

    CG was snitched out of here. Simple as that.

    Shameful. You guys would be watching your backs in prison.

    >>>>>

    Pedro, if it’s shameful then why did you ban him? Didn’t you find his ridiculous posts about us finishing 8th, 9th or even 10th beneath Everton, Leicester, Wolves & Watford irritating and deliberately deluded?

    Anyway, some very good posts lately and love the podcasts and will listen to your latest tonight.

    As for Emery, my mind was made up away at Wolves last season and nothing I’ve seen this season has changed it, rather confirmed it especially his insistence on playing Xhaka, his bizarre substitutions and his weird faces he pulls on the sidelines and the fact he looks like he’s got no idea what’s going on.

    4th is the absolute minimum this season but that has to come with an obvious clear fluid attacking style of play. If not then he’s out.

    Personally I think we should be finishing 3rd this season and that is my prediction.

  43. Olumide

    Hillwood
    “Words
    Do you think Emery wins us the Premiership
    Do you think Emery can win us the Champions League
    That’s what we should be aiming for”

    No manager on earth can guarantee Arsenal a champions league win.
    Wenger only got to a champions league final once in 22 years and failed to win it.
    Guardiola, who actually has a record of winning it, has been trying to win it for 8 years now (with Bayern and Man City) and he’s been unsuccessful.
    Even with the league, any manager we hire will find it extremely difficult to win.

  44. Just Another Customer

    Whatever he wants to do it still doesn’t bear fruit yet but after one season the main objective of being tighter at the back has failed. The transition from back to front has improved although stilted when facing high press. He’ll be gone soon maybe before next transfer window if things stay stagnant or worsen.

  45. Words on a Blog

    Hillwood/Olumide,

    No I don’t think he can win us the Premiership over the next couple of years. Even with a “saucier” manager, that will still need more money and a deeper squad.

    What he (together with the Raul/ Edu / Freddie etc setup) can do (but may fail to do) is:

    Improve us so that we are a comfortable third, ahead of Totts, Manu, Chelsea and the rest of the pack.

    Integrate 2-3 young players per season into the first team squad.

    (eventually) develop a distinctive but tactically flexible style.

    People weren’t happy with the match against Spuds, but other than poor defending and brain dead Xhaka, thought we played well, controlled the game, and fought back from 2-0 down.

    With Tierney, Bellerin and Holding back in the squad, I’m confident we’ll have a tighter defence, and have a bit more going forward.

  46. Champagne charlie

    “As for Emery, my mind was made up away at Wolves last season and nothing I’ve seen this season has changed it, rather confirmed it”

    Yea I’m going to have to disagree with that, you didn’t know which way you were facing at times last season with Emery. One day you wanted him out and the next you were defending him and calling for more time.

    Since then whenever I see you post about him I have vivid images of those abysmal Adidas flip flops. Only poster I know that can begin a comment defending the manager against criticism from varied corners, and sign off Emery out.

  47. Ishola70

    What’s all this talk that Xhaka should just be dropped for “high intensity” matches.

    This is no different to Ozil when people were xsaying play him against the fodder.

    How are the club going to progress if there are players that are not suitable when the going gets hot.

    If they are not good enough for certain matches then they are not good enough for Arsenal FC and that inclues Ozil and Xhaka.

  48. Bojangles

    Pedro, if you “convert” everyone to your view of Emery, you’ll end up with a dull, uninteresting blog like many other football blogs.

  49. N5

    Ha ha Midwest your memory is amazing. I can’t believe you remembered the Steve-O thing that was years ago.

    PS Kim doesn’t cheerlead for CP anymore, she got married and I’m not sure her fella liked people leering at her, god knows why!! 😀

  50. N5

    PS Mid that sponsorship deal sal got you on Wiki was one of Le Groves finest moments. That and Sanogo getting mass voted as player of the year on the Arsenal.com.

  51. NW9 gooner

    This is a question for CC – I used to agree with you before that to replace Xhaka we needed to replace his contribution but I am now of the opinion that his contribution is now minimal and his negative impact is palpable. Can you name any match where he has not made a mistake and your heart is in your mouth that it does not lead to a goal

  52. NW9 gooner

    This is a question for CC – I used to agree with you before that to replace Xhaka we needed to replace his contribution but I am now of the opinion that his contribution is now minimal and his negative impact is palpable. Can you name any match where he has not made a mistake and your heart is in your mouth that it does not lead to a goal.

  53. Pedro

    Bojangles, I’m not talking about converting the heathens to EMERYOUT, I was talking about Pierre being converted to a Le Grove regular.

  54. Champagne charlie

    NW9

    This season? Not particularly, but then I don’t think we’ve performed well in any of our 4 games thus far, it’s been incredibly laboured.

    I also don’t think he’s quite the negative influence many paint him out to be. He makes obvious errors, but he’s also subject to a massive spotlight on him where others are not so even a poor touch is met with derision within seconds.

    I’ve no issue replacing Xhaka, but it needs to be someone that can use the ball from deep. Last season he made the most passes of any player in the side, had one of the highest passing completions, and made the highest percentage of forward passes if I remember reading correctly. That’s dismissed all the time, but that’s the reality, as are his liabilities.

    He has absolute facepalm moments but we function as a footballing side when he’s “on”. The idea the others can replace that input is speculative right now, most likely being Guendouzi (who I’ve said is a talent to build around).

  55. Nelson

    CC

    Xhaka also had the highest passing completion in the Pool game, but most of his passes were backwards or sideways. Once he was pressed, he can’t turn like Guen or Torr. That is his major weakness. He can only function effectively when there is no pressing.

  56. Luteo Guenreira

    Charlie

    In fairness to Benny, Wolves away was at the end of April. So if he meandered a bit throughout the season and then came to a conclusion near the end of it, don’t see how that’s an indictment against him.

  57. Champagne charlie

    Nelson
    Do you have the stats on hand? I’m always dubious when sweeping statements are made along the lines of ‘most were sideways’, because that’s exactly what was levelled against him last season and he was our most progressive CM passer.

    Still, it’s all rather moot because even on top form he can be replaced in this side as we’re no attacking wonder. But to reference what NW9 was getting at, I’m still very much of the opinion that for us to play good football Xhaka’s ability as an incisive passer will need replaced. We can’t function as a team in that capacity with a midfield of Willock and Torreira’s.

    Luteo
    Was said more in jest, Benny was flip flop central last season on Emery, just poking fun at there being any absolute moment of clarity given the back and forth witnessed.

  58. MidwestGun

    I would say Xhaka and Mustafi probably both have good stats the majority of the times…. they were Moneyball.signings at the time when Stats Dna was introduced. Value for stat production. Stat fillers that look good on paper. but when you delve into how they actually perform using the eye test .. you realize they are shockingly bad at the things you can’t stat… like positioning … tackles they should be making and speed of coverage.Speed of play and decision making Also shockingly bad errors in coverage like letting players run free. And as Nelson said what the passing actually accomplishes.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/the-deal-arsene-wengers-moneyball-works-but-next-arsenal-boss-needs-super-agents-like-manchester-a3339776.html

  59. Pierre

    It would be interesting to see if we could use Ceballos the way Chelsea/sarri used Jorginho.

    To have someone that deep who is comfortable receiving the ball under pressure and can change the angle of play with a quick turn and pass would be such an asset from an offensive point of view.

    Of course the negative side is it could make us weaker defensively ( if that’s possible), but with Guendouzi and willock either side it may work as a sort of 4-1-2-3, though I don’t expect it to happen if I’m honest.

    If Emery is to persist with playing out from the back , he needs a player in the deep lying midfield area with quick feet and a sharp football brain, with a good passing range who can receive the ball under pressure, If not he may have to abort the playing out from the back tactic , as he did last season.

  60. Bojangles

    Apparently there is a clause in Mkhi’s loan deal that Roma are obligated to purchase if he plays 25 games for them. Probably means he’ll play 24 games maximum.

  61. MidwestGun

    PS Kim doesn’t cheerlead for CP anymore, she got married and I’m not sure her fella liked people leering at her, god knows why!!
    __________
    Sorry to hear N5… I’m sure she is happy… 🙁 Oh well.. It was never going to work anyhow… I mean CP? come on.. Yeah we had some good times.. I should probably write a screen play based on Le Grove… If I can get Will Ferrell to play Redtruth it could be amazing..

  62. Words on a Blog

    MidWest,

    You should trademark the phrase you used to describe Xhaka: “shockingly bad at the things you can’t stat.”

    Brilliant.

  63. MidwestGun

    Thanks.. Words… I’m still trying to trademark .. Axis of Evil…

    One Stat Xhaka also fills up is Yellow cards.. 10 last season.. Even beat out Mustafi with 9. Tied for 10th in the League.. Think he can do better. Papa can teach him a thing or two. He had 12… lol Good for second best. Legal Tackling isn’t our thing.. apparently.

  64. Nelson

    CC

    I don’t have the stats but that’s what I saw in the Pool game. Not only sideways, a lot are right back to the CB. We were trying to play out from the back and Pool’s players were all over us. You can also listen to ArsenalVision podcast, Episode 314. They are making the same observation. Or Pain in the Arsenal Podcast, Season 3, Episode 4 – Oh my, Grant Xhaka.

  65. bennydevito

    CC,

    I wasn’t flip flopping at all.

    At the start of the season I clearly said he wasn’t who I wanted but was prepared to give him time eg the season to see how things went.

    3 months in lunatics such as CG were saying Emery out and not only that but being incredibly racist about it. Also saying he was the worst manager ever blah blah blah so my so called defence of Emery was actually rebutting the absurd bullshit.

    I never once said Emeey out then Emery back in etc, my view was always consistent until the wolves game.

    Even now I agree he’s not the man to take us forward but will still defend the stupid statements of worse manager ever and no improvement etc because at season’s end more points, more away wins, more points away 1 place higher was irrefutable improvement. At seasons beginning on appointment he had won more trophies than Wenger had when he took over and won more European trophies than Wenger and Arsenal put together.

    These are facts. That’s what I was saying and I still maintain that even though I acknowledge he’s out of his depth and likely to be replaced.

    If anyone flip flopped it was you as monumentally proved earlier.

  66. bennydevito

    So you show me the back and forth. Go for it.

    Outside of CG you’re the worst poster on here who brings nothing to the table other than arguments for arguments sake. Like a dog with a bone you won’t let it drop, will interrupt other conversations to throw in an insult, are continuously trying to be clever, are contradictory, condescending and contrary in giganticly equal proportions and think you’re the know it all of everything, and to top it off you spend more time rimming off your beloved zero trophies won Poch than you do praising Arsenal.

    In short you’re a joke.

  67. China1

    The funny thing about racists is 99% are too pussy to hold their hands up and just say ‘yeah I don’t like black/Asian people/foreigners’ or whatever

    I guess it’s not really surprising that someone who feels so insecure in themselves around people based entirely on something as arbitrary as skin colour or nationality would also be insecure about owning up to this

    Instead racists and xenophobic prefer to try and find explanations or tie their insecurities to something outside of race to make their insecurities look more reasonable

    It is honestly a bit sad to think people are this way in 2019

  68. Tony

    Mid

    “so Yeah waiting for you to school me up Pierre because I’m from the US. You might be a better golfer…. stick to that.”

    Mid your posts here show you are far more knowledgable than the trolls here. On top of that you have a laid back but often humorous way with the keyboard that is enjoyable to read.

    Conversely……………

    Pierre gets his self confessed kicks from winding people up and trolling, especially when Pedro is on whatever his sauce is on when stirring the blog pot up and supporting the trolls to gain more volume.

    As good as Pedros posts can be, he’s a mercenary when driving on the blog’s traffic. Let’s face it at one time many of us here thought that Pedro and Gazidis were going to ride off in the sunset together such was Pedro’s love in with the CEO pretender.

    For every 20+? trolling posts(mostly including his idols Ozil and Wenger) and wind ups, Pierre will write an analysis that he probably stole the gist of from another analysis claiming it to be his own and pretending to be all knowledgeable and superior.

    Perhaps if he was a season ticket holder and attended all games home and away and ………. oh wait he isn’t and just lives on a diet of his days when he supposedly went to games 40 odd years ago onwards in an effort to prove his superfine super fan status – whatever that is supposed to be.

    Don’t bite Mid it’s just not worth it. Don’t get dragged down to his gutter level.

    As for a better golfer, you only have his word for that, which when you consider his constant BS here is just that words from an anonymous troll.

    Let’s be reasonable here you’re talking about a golfer (I use the term very loosely) who plays in the snow with white golf balls.

  69. Tony

    Mid
    Forgot to mention that I skim past ALL Pierre’s posts and only saw your reply above when reading your post.

    I’m sure he’ll try to reply but his post won’t get read by me at least.

    If you don’t engage Pierre, he’ll slink away to his obscure, sad life in wonderful Hastings; an old long forgotten victorian seaside town.

  70. Dark Hei

    China1

    I think that these Ultras make a point, not that it is right either.

    It is exactly the same as the John Terry incident when he made a racial remark against Ferdinand without actually being a racist himself as per testified by our “beloved” Ashley Cole.

    Tribalism is a beast with many overlapping venn diagrams, with race just one of its components. Your FC affiliation and in the case of Django, whether you ride a horse or for Donald Trump, whether you have cash (see A$AP) are various components.

    This single minded pursuit of trying to achieve anti-racial discrimination can only go so far. Tribalism is the issue at heart. But with rising nationalism, how can you actually pursue anti-racial discrimination and Brexit at the same time?

  71. Bojangles

    Tony

    Might be in for a smackdown from Pedro for that…lol although I’m not sure he reads the morning (our time) posts.

    As for everyone else Here, I haven’t got a handle on them all yet, their a bit slippery. Every time I think I have some of them pegged the goalposts get moved. I cottoned on to CG pretty quick (wasn’t difficult) but he’s been binned. It’ll take another month or too I think.

  72. MidwestGun

    Tony thanks bud… I really don’t mind Pierre.. To be honest, I feel sorry for him a little bit.. Because he has no self awareness.. and then projects his issues on others.. Such is life. His whole calling everyone obsessives when he is obsessed is classic deflecting and projecting. Also he seems to think geographical location makes you smarter about football.. It doesn’t. Plenty of people from other countries that know a lot about baseball for example.. or the NFL. Knowledge doesn’t come from where you live… it comes from your life experiences. As you well know. but seems to escape him.. Anyhow… I have been on here for almost 10 years off and on … seen many “Pierres” come and go.. But have met a lot of interesting and rabid Arsenal fans on here as well.. and I come back for that… The rest is just banter and words on a blog mostly.. Pedro, is my guy… I will take on board what he says.. and move on.. as I have done for long time. The twists and turns of Le Grove is what makes it interesting and to be honest I can get along with just about anyone for the most part regardless of Footie opinions. If arrogance were a commodity… there would be some rich dudes on here though… 😀

  73. Bojangles

    China

    I’m not sure I can accept making racist remarks or in this case gestures and then laugh it off as being the method used to put off other teams.

  74. China1

    Yeah you’re right it’s about tribalism. I just think that a large percentage of tribalism stems from ignorance unfortunately

    There is harmless, irrelevant tribalism, like supporting a football club and then there’s the insidious form where people feel a need to knowingly cause harm and distress to those who are in reality an irrelevance to them. I think it just stems from insecurity

    As you say we have situations like Brexit but this kind of thing is allowed to descend into tribalism much the same way politics is, despite the fact such tribalism makes no sense.

    It’s just an ugly part of human nature to fall in line with one side of the other regardless of the fact that the world exists demonstrably in shades of grey and such tribalism makes absolutely no sense

    Take politics as a prime example. Anyone who thinks either party A or party B totally represents them is either an extremely unusual person or they’re not really listening

    Voting for one side makes sense. Loyalty to one side however (which so many people are) is a total pointless

  75. China1

    Like there are political, economic, social, legal and practical reasons to be for or against Brexit, but a large percentage of people voting one way or the other refuse to acknowledge any sort of validity to the other side’s arguments

    Just as obama’s presidency had a large amount in common with bush’s presidency before him, but democrats think he was awesome and bush was Satan and the republicans vice versa

    Tribalism sucks.

  76. Tony

    Mid
    No problem.

    Actually agree with your summery of Pierre, especially airing his attention-seeking, serious family issues on here that should be kept strictly private.

    Only been here less than a couple of years so a relatively newbie compared to you and others.

    Like you, though, I enjoy the banter along with the player knowledge many here bring to light.

    Also, equally enjoy certain posters writing styles and eloquence being an avid book reader myself.

    Pedro is a cool guy who has a good way with the quill and amusing quips he mixes in with a post.

  77. China1

    It’s true that Pedro’s humour in his writing is quality

    It’s frequent yet it still blindsides me occasionally and you do get some lols out of me Pedro. Even if you do have a Poch poster on your wall haha

  78. Tony

    Bojangles
    I’ll live if Pedro bins me for telling the truth in a lightly humorous way.

    There are a lot of good posters here – pretty much the majority of those who post.

    It’s always the minority who mar good things, but you get to see who they are and then just skip their posts. Most of them live in permanent pity-party land and come on here to project their obsessive inadequacies in life for a substitute to their lack of audience to their life’s struggles in real life.

  79. Un na naai

    China

    Tribalism is a necessary defence mechanism inbuilt through evolution

    You put the health and happiness of your spouse children sibling and parents above a stranger? That’s tribalism.

    Ever heard of Dunbar’s number? Look it up. It’s real.
    There is fine line to strike between an open society and a closed one. Too open and you’re ripe for invasion
    Too closed and your society doesn’t not move with the world and does not evolve.

    Both are necessary

  80. Pierre

    Tony
    ” Pierre will write an analysis that he probably stole the gist of from another analysis claiming it to be his own and pretending to be all knowledgeable and superior.”

    A nice back handed compliment from you there Tony…thanks.
    To say my comments( which are 100% mine)are knowledgeable and superior (your words) is confirmation that you do read my posts and don’t ” skim past ALL Pierre’s posts”..

    I actually quite like your judith Chalmers “wish you were here” impression , very informative, and I’m sure it makes you feel ” knowledgeableand superior”, so please continue to share with us your wisdom and knowledge of places to visit.

    Mid
    The geographical comment was a little below the belt but in comparison to the abuse I receive on here( some deserved) , me saying “across the pond ” in relation to your football knowledge is pretty tame.

    Just a bit of banter , nothing more.

  81. Pierre

    Tony
    ” especially airing his attention-seeking, serious family issues on here that should be kept strictly private. ”

    Slightly below the belt there Tony , how low will you go to try and be liked on here.

    I am not embarrassed or ashamed to air my views on child abuse , some on here make fun of it and it shows their ignorance of a very serious matter…..a child/person is affected for life if they are subjected to such vile abuse as someone close to me was.

    I do get that you are just trying to score points with your reference to a subject that shouldn’t be taken lightly. …maybe it also shows your ignorance on the matter.

    I have mentioned it once and once only a few years back when some posters were making light of what I regard as a very serious subject, so hardly “attention seeking” .

    It’s a little ploy on here used by certain posters when they cant think of anything football related so they go below the belt .

    Un often gets it when his superior knowledge is winning a football argument so they refer to a personal matter he divulged .

    Tony , it shows a weakness in you to have to resort to bringing up such a sensitive issue to score points.

    Have a good day , I look forward to your next judith Chalmers impression.

  82. Freddie Ljungberg

    Holding should be back after the internationals which is great, feel like Sok needs to have a sitdown and chill for a bit. Holding-Luiz gives us much more ability on the ball as well if we play out from the back.

    Willock had a slight injury against pool (inflammation of the calf) That along with Torreira still not 100% matchfit gives me hope that Xhaka will get sidelined soon.

    Not long now until we have proper fullbacks again, hopefully at the end of the month.

    Lacazette wasn’t seriously injured thankfully, so should be back after the break too.

  83. Bojangles

    Arsenal squad. * Denotes home grown player

    Aubameyang, Pierre-Emerick
    Bellerin, Hector*
    Ceballos, Daniel Fernandez
    Chambers, Calum*
    Holding, Robert Samuel*
    Kolasinac, Sead
    Lacazette, Alexandre
    Leno, Bernd
    Macey, Matthew Ryan*
    Maitland-Niles, Ainsley*
    Martinez, Damian Emiliano*
    Mavropanos, Konstantinos
    Moreira Marinho, David Luiz
    Mustafi, Shkodran
    Ozil, Mesut
    Papastathopoulos, Sokratis
    Pepe, Nicolas
    Tierney, Kieran
    Torreira, Lucas
    Xhaka, Granit