EMERY BRUTALLY ENDS TWO PLAYERS

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The concept of the modern marathon was inspired by a Greek football fan that legged it from the site of Marathon to Athens to deliver a scoreline, the distance was 25 or so miles. The message was about an important game in which a Greek football team defeated a Persian one (they had good football back then). The messenger died, so to commemorate this heroic football nut, they have marathons around the world.

The point of my story is this… if Emery doesn’t achieve anything in his Arsenal career, but manages to shift on Elneny and Mustafi, I’ll name a special day after him. I’ll petition the club to give him a stand. I’ll get on the blower to the Pope and ask how you go about Sainthoods.

This is what Saint Unai said of the pair yesterday.

“They are very big players but for one circumstance or another they are going to have fewer chances to show their capacity or to be happy with us and the minutes they play in matches,” Emery said. “But they know the situation and really I am wishing the best for them. I think now the best for them is to be protagonists in another team and to get another challenge for themselves.”

“Last year with Mustafi and Mo, when they didn’t play they weren’t happy and I spoke with them a lot of times last year and this pre-season,”

“I think it is positive for them to leave and sign for another team where they can be protagonists and be happy and continue their careers.”

I firm up when I read vicious quotes like that. When did Wenger EVER talk that aggressively about his babies? Never.

I am also warmed to hear that the players like to play. Those two are too young to ride out a fat contract. By sitting on deals, they take themselves out of the shop window, their games get rusty and clubs around Europe frame them as a pair of Winston Bogarde’s. If you’re young, you should want to play football, even if that’s at a cost of a few grand a week.

To ride out a deal takes a special sort of person. Someone with a character big enough not to be impacted by the humiliation of being benched.

Both players have value. Mustafi has a lot of good going in his game. He’s played all around the world. He’s made of strong stuff. He just needs a really good defensive coach to beast him into not being so dim. Elneny is just at the wrong level of club. He needs to go to Italy or a middling club in Spain.

Both need to move off that wage bill.

In loan news, it was great to see Eddddddiiiiiieeeeeeee score his second goal at Leeds. I really think he could be a blistering talent if he’s given the chance. I love that he’s at Leeds learning under Bielsa. He’s going to learn to be more decisive, he’ll build confidence from the goals, he’ll get tougher under the brutal conditions of the Championship. It should be a very good year for him.

Hector Bellerin went OFF on the mighty Ceballos.

“I think Dani’s one of the best players I’ve seen in my career. I’ve played with him since we were like 18 or 19 years old. We’ve played in the under-21s, we get on really well off the pitch”

“He’s up for it & he’s a player who will go through thick & thin to do the best for his team. He’s got a great heart & he plays for everyone around him. I think he’s a great addition”

LOVE TO READ IT.

David Ornstein continues to drop beads of gold onto the newsfeed. Again, clarifying the authoritarian regime that Arsene Wenger ran.

Power really is a corrupting force. When you’re succeeding, the last thing you should do is build a team of yes men around you. That’s what Wenger did, then when things started to fail, he had no answers. He wanted to wear every hat. You do wonder what he could have achieved if he’d ripped out his back team and installed up and coming coaches. What would our trophy cabinet have looked like if he’d had a more powerful CEO next to him that insisted on owning the infrastructure?

Wenger could still be a player if he’d allowed other people to develop his ideas… but he didn’t, and now he’s watering the flowers in a very green garden in North London.

“The meetings used to be just between Kroenke and Wenger”@bbcsport_david on how changes in personnel at the top have made #Arsenal ‘more proactive in the transfer market’.

Right, that’s me done. Listen to this podcast before the Liverpool game tomorrow.

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  1. PhD2020

    PhD2020August 25, 2019 01:11:13
    I’m becoming to notice this aspect of his game management more acutely.
    —-
    Correction*
    **I’ve started to notice this aspect of his game management more acutely.

  2. Caligooner

    Midfield got dominated.

    Laca should have come on at halftime.

    Having Tierney Bellerin and holding back should really help the team going forward.

    Need to steady the ship and play against spurs with the same intensity we brought last year.

  3. jwl

    What was Salah saying to Arsenal players after match ended? He was covered his mouth with hand, I assume so lip readers can’t read him, every time he talked to Arsenal player.

  4. PhD2020

    jwlAugust 25, 2019 04:20:29
    What was Salah saying to Arsenal players after match ended? He was covered his mouth with hand, I assume so lip readers can’t read him, every time he talked to Arsenal player.
    ——
    Your manager is tactically s**te.We knew your game plan and set up from the get-go.

    Second half was a breeze.Klopp told us to relax,hit balls over to me(Salah ) and game over.You guys lack balls and penetration.Impotent!!Hehehe…
    3 points-3-1. Thank the heavens-could have been 5-1,remember??!!!
    See you at the library-same again…Wooha,ha,ha..CL Champions!!!

  5. useroz

    Presumably we played counter in 1H. In that case, Guendouzi wasn’t doing very well in that he wasn’t able t stop/ block much of the crosses in at all. Not that Willcok /Dani managed to do so on our left. With that many crosses flying in only a matter of time and it came minutes before the HT. We can use slow mo to pinpoint the culprits but let’s be honest we have been shit with heaters for as long as Wenger was here ie his football should be played on the ground bs…. This part is on Wenger. Though, Emery must start (if not already) making these guys jump and head. Our aerial duels are embarrassing.

    In 2H, either Klopp changed tactics or Poo switched to plan B once 2 up. they didn’t cross much compared to 1H. It’s all slick passing and triangles (eg 3rd goals). Yet we were still unable t contain. Some on here asked what players did wrong eg Xhara. It’s not that it was ‘wrong’. Xhara was unable to or not in the right position to stop their passing (thus attack). Ditto Guendouzi, who looked like chasing shadows till subbed. Guendouz didn’t commit any( or 1?) fouls?? Should at least kicked Robertson couple of times on that right flank.

    A loss probably wasn’t unexpected but…

    * Emery’s tactics looked confusing or we common people couldn’t appreciate.

    * could have done better and gave a better fight and optics on TV with our personnel available.

    Whatever, this playing out from Emery’s rear end got to be sorted. Looks laughable on display… at a min, can’t the FBs pushed up to put some distance between Leno, with the CB moving away from the byline??? That’s borderline nonsense. If doing this because our MF and forwards can’t bloody win and direct headers worth a damn, then fucking train harder, and harder.

  6. Guns of SF

    The more the day has gone on, the more Im not happy with Emery
    we needed more attackers to score, and halftime would have been great to see the new subs come on.
    4-3-3
    Towards the end we did better but he needs to understand the opponent better.
    Playing all the time from the back is dangerous against Pool who press you incessantly. Need to long ball it sometimes.

    We had chances and if we scored in the first half, I think the game would have taken a different dimension. However, the lack of formation change and late subs was too little too late.

    Laca Pea and Pepe need to all start together against tougher teams.

  7. Guns of SF

    Emery’s tactics looked confusing or we common people couldn’t appreciate.

    Got a laugh from this…
    In reality this is true… only Emery knows what Emery wants and if it happened the way he wanted it.

    We need to have a much better plan against Spurs

  8. Tony

    ‘I’m still a bit cyncial(as you know),before I start hailing:’Hail Caesar’ to Raul,Josh,Vinay and Co.’

    Good post PhD amplifies my thoughts and feelings about our management.

    Emery seems to be picking up from where he left off last season with his team selections and team motivation .

    Early days but ………… we’ll know more by December whether Emery really has a clue outside cup competitions.

    Hope Freddie is polishing his head coach credentials ready to see the 2nd half of the season out, as I just can’t see Emery lasting the season.

  9. Receding Hairline

    I keep reading their full backs were allowed the ball yet they really didn’t do anything with it. Would you rather Mane and Sallah get the ball, Liverpool were clearly getting frustrated first half, it was aimless cross after aimless cross until they got the corner and Sokratis did his thing.

    One thing everyone can agree on and fully blame the coach is the late sub’s, it made no sense. But our first half tactics did not in anyway leave us open to attacks. Only save Leno made was the one from Mane after Ceballos messed up.

  10. Receding Hairline

    I mean if we were ravaged by an attacking master class from both full backs I will understand but the plan worked, they had the ball but did not find their danger men. Working so hard to then giveaway a goal from a corner is just stupid.

    And the Xhaka criticisms is just ridiculous, he did nothing wrong yesterday

  11. Receding Hairline

    Compare Mo Sallah finish when he tricked luiz and was one on one with the keeper to Pepe, Pepe is doing a lot of good right now but panics with the finish. He really should have buried that chance.

  12. China1

    Couldn’t see the game but the score line was clearly not good

    I’ve seeb quite mixed comments that either we played ok but a couple of mistakes and Liverpool’s superiority was just too much and others who think we were shit and half the team and manager should be burnt at the stake

    How was tor when he came on?

    I think he should be started this game if he’s match fit…

  13. Bojangles

    So, according to le Grover’s, AMN shit, Papa shit, Luis shit, Monreal ok, Xhaka 75/25 shit, Guen 50/50 shit, Ceballos shit, Willock hardly a mention even though he went missing until he was subbed but we like him, Auba shit, Pepe got a pass, Emery – the response was very predictable once we were defeated- shit. I think we witnessed a minor miracle at Anfield today to only be beaten 3-1 with such a shit coach and team. In the post match ‘analysis’ (joke) one of the very few voices of reason came by way of LegendMaxAugust 25, 2019 00:24:24, the rest were agenda driven shite.

  14. vickingz

    @ china1, well you should be glad you missed that game, i’ve never seen a directionless arsenal side as the one I saw yesterday. How’s being defensive a tactic to be applauded when clearly you don’t have players who are well disciplined to be in the defense and you have a striker who just doesn’t take his chances upfront? Having more bodies inside your half against Liverpool ain’t a tactics to me, lampard didn’t do it, yet he played Liverpool hands down, way better with his players, Southampton got into Liverpool’s face, even Norwich played better.

    I really don’t get it. Was klopp being unpredictable yesterday? No, yet he won. Even a waitress at lounge could guess correctly how klopp was gonna set up his team, his players don’t get confused, they have a system and they are used to it, it doesn’t matter your so call tactics being deployed against Liverpool, Liverpool will still play Liverpool’s way. Emery should stop deceiving himself, thinking he’s deceiving his opponent by changing formation at will, he’s confusing his players. Just like a keyboardist who hasn’t successfully mastered playing on key C, yet jumping to other keys to try his luck.

  15. Graham62

    From my perch on top of the fence, I will make one prediction.

    If Unai Emery continues to show so much positivity in defeat( I know, it was Liverpool) he will not survive the season.

    Accepting the inevitable, because that’s how it comes across, is not acceptable to me.

    Maybe Freddie should start to dust of his suits.

  16. Thorough

    Before the game everywhere was awash with ‘Liverpool are imperious at corners and set pieces close to the opponents goal’. Yet one idiot felt the need to kick a ball from front of our box to the corner. How do you concede a corner from that position. I was screaming my lungs out at the moron that did that. As I’ve not had the chance to re-watch this ordeal someone pls tell me who conceded the corner for their first goal. My money is on Xhaka. That was the turning point. A heartbreaking goal before halftime. And it especially hurts because both Auba and Pepe should have scored.

  17. vickingz

    How was tor when he came on?

    Well, he got us the consolidation goal and to me, he’s being played not in his natural position. You can’t have zhaka, guen, torr and be expecting the midfield to work, how? Who’s driving the ball forward here amongst these 3? Who can? Yet emery sets his team up like this over and over again. He’s certainly more clueless than Wenger. Emery is wenger v2

  18. vickingz

    No way Freddie L would have set his team up like that. Just have a pattern and stick to it, play it week in week out, get used to it, set your pattern based on your players’ strengths. What did we play against Newcastle and Burnley? But since we won, whoever talked about the obvious flaws in our team is an enemy, papering over the cracks ain’t the best of dealing with the cracks.

  19. vickingz

    Murphy wrote in his column for the Daily Mail: ‘I am all for trying different things tactically but the problem here was that it didn’t look as if Arsenal players had worked on a system that I know from experience requires good understanding between team-mates and an awareness of the opposition strengths and weaknesses. ‘One of Liverpool’s greatest strengths most people would agree are their full-backs, Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson, who are arguably the best partnership in Europe. ‘And yet by lining up so narrow because of the diamond, Arsenal were playing right into their hands and allowing them to bomb up the pitch at will and rain in free crosses on the Arsenal goal.

    I thought I was the only who saw our players being confused and directionless

  20. Silverhawk

    If by game week 10 we still can’t see any positive, entertaining football from Emery, then he should go. And I’m tired of his reasoning that keeps putting one key player on the bench for tactics reason.

    Start with your best 11 ffs!. All teams in the world do that.

    If Tierney, holding, and Bellerin are fit and we keep seeing players like Xhaka, Mhiki, in the first team, then the coach is clueless.

    The formation should be 4 3 3. We now have the players for it.

    Leno
    Bellerin Holding Luiz Tierney
    Willock Torriera Ceballos
    Pepe Laca Aubameyang

    Anything other than this for most games then the coach is clueless.

    One thing that gives me hope for this season that the coach has no excuse anymore. Shape up or go. All my excuses for him last season has been attended to now.

    Now I’ll just sit back and watch. Hopefully he does the right thing.

  21. vickingz

    Liverpool was 3 goals up when emery switched to 4-3-3 formation and we got a goal within 10 minutes, could this be the the formation emery should work on? We suddenly came alive and could have scored 2 goals within minutes of laca’s introduction. It’s not that we had bad players out there yesterday,it was simply because we had a bad coach and before I get nailed with “coaches have their off days”, a player can have an off day but a coach with his crew having an off day?

    Onto Spurs we match

  22. Champagne charlie

    Valentin

    I totally agree about the needs of the team in a wide diamond (pure DM). Which makes it all the more odd of a decision to put Xhaka in there with that remit given the opposition and their tendencies.

    I don’t deride Xhaka as much as most, who are totally incapable of seeing what he brings to the side. Saying that I don’t recall who saw Liverpool away as a place to include him? Do you? For me that’s the 10% of games he’s not suited to and I’d sooner see us setup different.

    All said and done though he didn’t play badly and I’m pretty sure he led the team for passes and recoveries if Sky are to be believed.

    The fault from our POV was from the start of the 2nd half tactically and motivationally. It was a big mistake to keep as is, and less impressive to see us start in such laboured fashion. Klopp was surprised by the first half tactics, but 15 mins with his side he sussed us and they killed the game. That’s more than annoying.

  23. Jeff

    It was painful watching the game yesterday. Liverpool were camped in our half and we couldn’t play out for love nor money. And this went on for too long – a blistering prolongation of a set up that was clearly not working. By the time Liverpool scored their first goal late in the first half, they had 4 corners to us having none. I did see some encouraging signs from Pepe.

    At the end of the game I had an inward thought that I’m probably going to die of old age before we win anything big. Sad, but that is how it looks right at this moment.

  24. Silverhawk

    We lost to Liverpool away, we will very likely lose to City away, and reckon it’s 50-50 against both of them at home. But other 17 teams we will handle at home and most away. Call me crazy, but that’s where I’m at now.

  25. Pierre

    Danny Murphy’s comment on Emery’s tactics says it all.

    Futile for anyone to come on le grove to try and defend such naive tactics.

  26. Jeff

    With regard to Emery, I maintained from the beginning that all new managers should be given at least 2 seasons to bed in and get things going. I’m still of that opinion but I say that now with a proviso. If there is no discernible difference to our fortunes at the end of the second season, the likelihood goes down that it will improve in a third season.

    I agree with everyone on here who assert that our tactics yesterday were abhorrent but what was even worse was that we didn’t bother changing them till it was all but settled. Liverpool never really looked like they were going to concede given that our excursions into their half were few and far in between. The bottom line is that this one was – on balance and everything else considered – down to the manager. Breaks my heart.

  27. Valentin

    Technically Arsenal was playing a 4-4-2 with a diamond midfield.
    Guendouzi and Willock wide were supposed to be narrow but to go wide to deal with Liverpool fullbacks. Liverpool just kept switching play forcing both teenagers to burst a lung to catch up the fullback, leaving Xhaka and Ceballos facing three central midfielders.
    Pepe and Aubameyang were supposed to occupy the wide channel, but in effect that means that they were isolated. Any goal would have to be a counter-attacking goal with one of them beating their CB and the goalkeeper.
    Obviously that did not happen. However the flip side was that defensively they did not contribute.

    Against a hard working well oiled machine like Liverpool, you can’t carry two players who don’t defend from the front. Again wrong tactic, wrong instructions and wrong personnel. Lacazette is a scrapper who is much better at occupy a CB.

    Overall a bad tactic, that got lucky during the first half. Second half, Klopp instructed his players to ditch the aimless crosses for on the ground passes and that just opened us.

  28. Valentin

    Today changes were made too late and some did not make sense to me.

    Replacing Ceballos for Torreira when clearly the issue was the formation rather than the player itself. Until the change of formation to a 4-3-3, the game passed Torreira by as well.

    Putting Lacazette a scrapper who defends from the front with the score already 3-0.

    Mhkitaryan, WTF? Unless Guendouzi was knackered or at risk of injury, I cannot see what he could bring in the few minutes left.

  29. Ishola70

    Liverpool are streets ahead as a team so it is pretty futile to state what tactic should have been played as going more gung ho would have probably resulted in a tonking.

    Where there was improvement in comparison to more recent previous seasons were that Liverpool were restricted to one goal from open play. On other recent visits there Liverpool have scored plenty against Arsenal in open play. This time only one with open play the other two a setpiece and the Luiz stupidity for the penalty.

    It is what it is and that being that Liverpool are in the distance atm in comparison to Arsenal.

    If it makes people to feel better to see Arsenal have more of the ball and attack more but the end result is still a hiding then that is very empty reasoning.

    Emery went there to try to restrict and in terms of clear cut chances for Liverpool in open play they were restricted in comparison to other recent visits there even if they saw tonnes of the ball in the match.

  30. Ishola70

    Valentin

    We saw the high intensity pressing from Liverpool when Arsenal had the ball. And pressing from the front of their team.

    Arsenal are simply not capable of pressing like this as a team or from the front. They simply don’t have the players for it bar perhaps Guendouzi in midfield who is still learning.

    Man City also embarrass Arsenal in the pressing as a team stakes and pressing from the front.

    No surprise that these two teams who are so effective at pressing when not having the ball are the two teams streets ahead of the others in the league.

  31. vickingz

    If it makes people to feel better to see Arsenal have more of the ball and attack more but the end result is still a hiding then that is very empty reasoning. Emery went there to try to restrict and in terms of clear cut chances for Liverpool in open play they were restricted in comparison to other recent visits there even if they saw tonnes of the ball in the match.

    @ishola, I think what’s empty reasoning is playing tactics and still got beaten. This Liverpool side was there for the taking and if people now glorify in getting beaten by a predictable team, then i’m sure people will have excuse for being relegated.

  32. Ishola70

    Vickingz

    You need to wake up to reality.

    Seems you are still living in a Wenger wonder dream land.

    Liverpool are a way better team than Arsenal.

    Time to wake up from your Wenger coma.

  33. Champagne charlie

    “Liverpool are streets ahead as a team so it is pretty futile to state what tactic should have been played as going more gung ho would have probably resulted in a tonking”

    I find this sort of mentality and appraisal so defeatist and out of touch.

    Norwich managed 12 shots against Liverpool away, everyone who witnessed that game saw it as a a matter of good fortune that they weren’t a better side who would’ve punished Liverpool.

    Chelsea managed 20 shots in the supercup going into extra time after a draw.

    Southampton managed 15 shots and Liverpool were fortunate to leave that game with a one goal win. Ings missed an absolute sitter in the final minutes.

    Arsenal managed just 9 shots against them. I’ve no issue respecting the side as better than us currently, but this bend over bollocks is precisely that. Worse teams will go to Anfield and give them more of a game, and be more of a constant threat. We’re good enough to offer that to anyone in 90 mins. Liverpool had 15 shots against Southampton, 15 shots against Norwich, 25 against Arsenal – that’s poor from us.

  34. vickingz

    I think emery shouldn’t be so focused on winning in short-term but long term. You will always be scrutinized, challenged, criticized, abused and misunderstood when people ain’t seeing your results because we live in a society that cares more about the result than the processing. I will praise him if he continues playing the kids efficiently, inculcating his pattern of play without minding the opposition. It doesn’t mean we won’t lose but it would mean that in the event of losing, we are still learning, still mastering and that’s how you gain mastery. Changing formation every week doesn’t necessarily confuse the opponent, it confuses our players more because the opposition just need to play her game. We haven’t picked a thing from this formation because we may likely not use it again anytime soon making it useless to our formation as a club

  35. Ishola70

    Charlie

    Liverpool are a beast playing at Anfield.

    Their record speaks for itself.

    You have quoted me two matches where Liverpool were playing away from Anfield and another where they were playing at home and were 4-0 up by half time with the away team Norwich playing more adventurously, naively.

  36. Drey

    If I were Lacazette I would tell my agent to start looking at other clubs.
    The disrespect from Emery to this guy is getting ridiculous

  37. vickingz

    @ ishola, you are the one still living in the past. You can’t comment without bringing in wenger and whoever criticizes emery is to you akb, smh.

  38. vickingz

    @ Drey, just imagine that. I wouldn’t bother playing for the remaining 10 minutes. It took emery 80 minutes to know he needed laca, to do what exactly? Damage control mechanism?

  39. Drey

    Charlie
    I’ve no issue respecting the side as better than us currently, but this bend over bollocks is precisely that.

    This also annoys me.. if we had lost fair and square I doubt anyone would be here complaining.
    The most annoying part is we had the personnel to have a proper game but our manager strangely decided to keep them fresh for Tothenham, conceeding present as a loss.. this is unforgivable. We are not West Ham for crying out loud

  40. Ishola70

    Vickingz

    You are another bitter Wengerite on here.

    Quite plain.

    You have plenty of like minded fellows to confide in on here.

  41. Bob N16

    Complete agreement with Silverhawk’s posts. Not all doom and gloom. Maybe harsh on Emery but feel we are still playing with the hand brake on. We will be better as the season progresses and I think CL football is achievable. Progression will happen this season but it almost feels that one of upgrades next summer has to be the coach.

    Losing to Liverpool away wasn’t a surprise but I feel if this fixture was being played in a couple of months, we might have really given them a run for their money. We’re a transitional team, they’re a settled team.

  42. vickingz

    Arsenal managed just 9 shots against them. I’ve no issue respecting the side as better than us currently, but this bend over bollocks is precisely that. Worse teams will go to Anfield and give them more of a game, and be more of a constant threat. We’re good enough to offer that to anyone in 90 mins. Liverpool had 15 shots against Southampton, 15 shots against Norwich, 25 against Arsenal – that’s poor from us.

    This is the tactics they want us to praise emery to the high heavens for.

  43. Ishola70

    Bob N16
    “by criticising Emery it doesn’t automatically mean you’re a Wenger acolyte.”

    Bob I criticise Emery on here. Have done before and will continue to do so.

    Not like Receding Hairline who will post for hours defending him.

    But the bitter Wengerites on here are pretty easy to spot.

  44. vickingz

    @ ishola, please you can live your life without quoting me as an akb but if you can’t do that, then don’t bother quoting me. Thanks

  45. Graham62

    Personally, I would have started with Lacazette up top and Auba and Pepe out wide.

    Then again, who am I to suggest Emery got it wrong. It was Anfield and it was against the European Champions. What could we expect?

    Well I think we all expected a wee bit more, not just from the team but, more significantly, our manager.

    The most potent aspect of our team was nullified because Emery looked into things in far too much detail.

    From looking at zero tactics under Wenger, we have become consumed with tactical overkill, especially when it comes to taking risks, under Emery.

    Yep, ” Paralysis by analysis” may be Emery’s eventual downfall.

  46. Un na naai

    I find it just incredible how emery is given a free pass for so many humiliations in little over a year

    Liverpool 5-1
    Chelsea 4-1
    Wolves 3-0
    Leicester 3-0
    Palace 3-2
    Rennes 3-1
    Liverpool 3-1

    This guy is a walking loss machine and his teams are fucking BOOOORING. Everyone thought David Luiz and Cabellos were going to be popping balls off all over the place now he had his wide men?
    3 games in and we are getting duller

  47. Receding Hairline

    Liverpool were severely restricted from open play especially in the first half….all this talk about Liverpool full backs having the ball, what did they do with it is the question not how many times they touched it. As for matching Liverpool stride for stride, we don’t have the physicality in our squad for that, the game plan was working until the corner, then it fell apart and the coach failed to react with suitable changes, he had enough on the bench to change things earlier

    And one of Willock or Guendouzi should not start next week

  48. Receding Hairline

    Ishola please leave me out of whatever that is you have with that fellow on here this morning or anyone else. I defend Emery when I read silly statements, like the one just dropped above that he is a “loss machine”.

    Played 61 and won 59% of his games as Arsenal boss, he hasn’t even lost 20 games here, loss machine indeed.

  49. Drey

    I would say Emery’s problems yesterday started when he wanted to play Xhaka by all means. If we are being honest Xhaka has no place in that team cos the only he offers (long pass) is already provided by Luiz..

    Any self-respecting manager would have played Guendozi and Torreira as a double DM to shield the defence, Ceballos as a CM to feed the front three, Auba and Pepe on the wings to keep their full backs occupied and Laca up top as a false 9 to keep Van Dyik occupied. Any lose balls from Pepe or Laca would fall on Auba, Pepe would cause panic from them through his dribbles..
    If he does this and still lost of course we would go up our hands and admit Liverpool are better than us.

    The fact that Chelsea lost 4 nil at United but the majority of the fans were still positive shows that Lamps had shown his blueprint from Day 1, something fans could identify with.

    I’m sorry I’m done with Unai Emery now, he has all the personnel to make top 4 now, no excuses, dude still makes selections like he coaches Sevilla FFS

  50. Moe

    Keep talking about the first half as if it was some masterclass…….what game did you guys watch? That was an atrocious half not withstanding Pepe’s chance.

    Ceballos and Guendouzi dont have the athleticism to be effective in that type of set up against the Pool mf and fullbacks.

  51. vickingz

    @ Drey, that’s just my point. Liverpool didn’t beat us to our strength and that’s what makes me angry. We changed formation in the last 10 minutes to 4-3-3 and we could have scored 2 goals, we came alive, it makes you wonder if we had started with the 4-3-3 formation using our players to their strengths, wouldn’t we have stood a chance? I was being so positive yesterday hoping we were gonna give Liverpool a run for their money with the players we have but immediately I saw the team sheet, I knew we were in for an abysmal failure. And you are still expected to just praise emery otherwise you are an akb, what a life.

  52. Ishola70

    Drey

    “The fact that Chelsea lost 4 nil at United but the majority of the fans were still positive shows that Lamps had shown his blueprint from Day 1, something fans could identify with.”

    That won’t last long though.

    If they continue to play expansive easy on the eye football but still couple this with conceding goals by the bucket load they will simply not be in the mix for top four by the end and it’s a results business not how pretty your football is.

  53. Receding Hairline

    Drey when he did coach Sevilla he beat Klopp 3-1. Just saying.

    @Moe

    The first half was OK, it should have ended 0-0. When you play against a team like Liverpool who panic when they haven’t scored on the half hour mark it is important to restrict them, and I believe that was achieved. It wasn’t pretty but restricting fluid teams never is.

    I don’t get this fascination with Lampard and Chelsea on here, they have conceded 7 goals already in the league this season, I thought defensive solidity and limiting xGA is very important on here

  54. vickingz

    A formation that made our players imbecilic and confused. If it were to be a local match in my country, I doubt if emery would have lasted the night alive peacefully cos it would be termed as selling the game and he’s gonna pay for his stupidity

  55. Moe

    Left Torreira on the bench because he needed Xhaka’s long passes. Once Xhaka failed to make any positive impact in that regard, he should have replaced both him and Ceballos at the break. Ceballos just shat his pants.

  56. Moe

    RH
    I’m actually on record or supporting the tactic of catching them on counters. What baffled me was letting their fullbacks roam at will all half and they kept bombarding us non stop. Was just a matter of time before they scored, I was convinced.

  57. Ishola70

    Liverpool midfield simply did a job on Ceballos. They ate him up.

    After Ceballos was substituted Wijnaldum came off as well not long after.

    Job done.

  58. vickingz

    That won’t last long though.If they continue to play expansive easy on the eye football but still couple this with conceding goals by the bucket load they will simply not be in the mix for top four by the end and it’s a results business not how pretty your football is.

    This is where the problem is, you’ve nailed it succinctly but you know the “conceding goals” aspect can become the next project for lampard next season if his expansive easy on the eye football is obvious and catches the attention of the fans and the club’s hierarchy. Isn’t that what Liverpool did with club? City with pep?

    You can’t build a lasting structure changing your foundation every now and then. This is my problem with emery

  59. Freddie Ljungberg

    Moe

    It’s hardly a secret that our midfield is not up to scratch, Guen and Ceballos may not have the athleticism to match pool but what other midfielder do we have that can? Xhaka, lol, Ozil, ha. Willock maybe but he lacks experience.

    We desperately need a Tall, mobile CM if we’re going to have any chance of matching the more physical teams in the PL.

    Like Receding said we conceded the flanks to their fullbacks to limit space for Salah, Firminho and Mane in the middle and it worked first half, they only scored on a corner when their defenders came up.
    Would we have had to use this tactic if we had our first choice full backs? I’m not too sure.

    The penalty was silly but very weak, Luiz let go almost right away, even before Salah felt that he had hold of his shirt at all. That yellow card then prevented Luiz from taking Salah out for his second goal. Was it great defending, no, but I don’t want to elevate Luiz to Mustafi levels of clownishness just yet.

    Positive signs from Pepe, he’s going to cause a lot of problems for defenders this season.

    Writing off the season, or the team, or the manager because we lost away to the reigning European champions that hasn’t lost at home in more than 2 years is as knee jerk as it comes.

  60. Ishola70

    Liverpool looked at that Arsenal midfield and thought well Ceballos you are going to be Arsenal’s outlet in the match are you? No you’re not. You’re not going anywhere.

  61. vickingz

    @ ishola, they didn’t eat him up, our formation helped them by 75%. Did any ball go through him? On few occasions that he had the ball, no outlet for him than back pass or side pass, that’s our formation right there

  62. Freddie Ljungberg

    Torreira didn’t start because he didn’t have a preseason with the team, needs to start against Spurs instead of Xhaka if we’re going to win that though. Xhaka is just a passenger in games like this, he’s too slow and the game just passes him by even when he doesn’t fuck up and gift the opposition a goal.

  63. Ishola70

    Vickingz

    The Liverpool midfield squeezed Ceballos. They squeezed him like an orange. Pips flying.

    As Freddie said Arsenal need a more all round athletic midfielder in there but we still get people on here defending a midfielder that is one dimensional and has on real skill set.

  64. Receding Hairline

    Moe the set up was absorb pressure, let them have the ball out wide with their full backs, defend the crosses and let Ceballos and Willock get the ball to the two fast strikers… And it almost worked.

    Again I ask what exactly did their full backs do with all the possession they had?? Some just watch games to moan.

    FYI we are not in the business of killing coaches in Nigeria, ignore that very stupid comment

  65. chris

    If Emery had set up to go to toe to toe with Liverpool and been on the end of a hammering he would have been slaughtered no doubt. Interesting that somebody mentioned about Norwich having 12 shots against them, but they still lost 4-1 also.

    LegendMax outlined the potential of what Emery went with better than I could. I did fear for us in the first ten minutes but after that we settled down. I was more disappointed at the soft nature of the first goal we conceded. Criticism can then follow for not changing things up when Liverpool out their foot down in the second half.

    Emery tried to contain Liverpool and sucker punch them. Pepe and Aubameyang could have scored, and Liverpool were beginning to look frustrated before they opened the scoring. Overall it wasn’t executed to the best and we ended up losing away to a team that is 40 unbeaten at home, European Cup winners and quite frankly a force of nature when in full flow. We weren’t the first to look shaky there and certainly won’t be the last.

    Casting sweeping judgement of the coach, players and our season after this game is a bit daft. Arsenal is clearly a different animal now in terms of its structure. Emery will be gone if objective is not hit, so I for one will just relax and see where the season takes us, knowing that if we don’t hit target change will come and we can go again. This is no longer the never ending story of Wenger.

  66. vickingz

    @ Moe, no we couldn’t have played better than that. In fact, that’s the best way of playing against Liverpool only that we still ended up losing, ohhh, we didn’t lose playing emery’s tactics, we lost as a result of individual errors fostered by individual tactics

  67. Moe

    Freddie

    Agree we dont have an athletic enough mf, all the more reason why we should have played Torreira and Guen at the base, Ceballos ahead and pin their fullbacks with Auba and Pepe’s threats and pace. Emery just over tinkered it for me.

  68. vickingz

    We didn’t just leave the flanks open for Liverpool, we left everywhere open. Did we stop the midfield? No, so it was only a matter of time before Liverpool would score. What part of the field didn’t we leave open for Liverpool?

  69. Kamp

    Sitting around blaming Emery for losing away to the European champions, after going in at the break all square is to miss the point.
    It was a damage limitation approach to to toughest game we will have to play all season.

    Tougher than City away.

    There will be more games played with Pea Laca and Pepe up front together than not.
    Had we have been spanked with those three on the field, everyone would have said “away to Pool, why so gun-ho?”
    Emery knows what his first choice front three looks like and he knows what his defence will look like (Though Holding can have a say on that)
    It’s the midfield that is unsettled and unclear. Torreira has bulked up and will probably become first choice. Ceballos probably cannot wait to have another game after that horror show, to rectify things, and Willock is going to be pure class, reminds me of Rocastle.

    In the wenger era we had a manager who put out the same team and same tactics agains t every team “try to play like Barça” effectively.
    Emery tried something new to nullify a team that humiliated Barça on route to winning the CL. Chalk this one up to experience, gaining fitness and learning about our options.

  70. vickingz

    As Freddie said Arsenal need a more all round athletic midfielder in there but we still get people on here defending a midfielder that is one dimensional and has on real skill set.

    @ ishola, honestly i’m still on the fence about ceba. His first game, I noticed players of his legs ain’t always athletic and may not do well in epl but in Burnley game, I saw a side of him that made me think “oh, he could be a wow player in epl after all” and I think he showed he could be athletic in that game, this was accentuated by his attack with led to auba’s goal. But yesterday, I saw a different ceba and I was asking myself, which ceba did emery see and brought to arsenal? The Burnley ceba or the Newcastle cum Liverpool ceba? Let’s see how he progresses from here

  71. Moe

    RH

    You cant let Robertson and Trent camp in your half all half and keep bombarding you left and right. The fact they didn’t score earlier had nothing to do with the effectiveness of the plan. You could see the goal coming because panic was setting in from all those attacks.

  72. Moe

    Agree with Vickingz, we conceded too much. To think that Guen and Willock can keep up running between the fullbacks and mf for 45 mins………..seriously?

  73. Un na naai

    Kamp

    Yes. He tried something new. So new the players didn’t know what the hell was going on. As someone said earlier it looked like they hadn’t worked on it
    We left our main man on the bench in favour of Ceballos. Bad move. We had zero width against a team that thrives on width. We played into their hands utterly

    Again, as someone else pointed out he changed things after we had gone 3-0 down. The man is clutching hard and it is just a ticking clock at this point

    The humiliations are more regular now under him than they ever were. He’s only had a year and he’s racked up 9-10 shocking results/performances already

    Said it at the start. This man is our David moyes. He won’t be lasting much longer

  74. Ishola70

    Vickingz

    I’m not talking about Ceballos when it was stated that Arsenal need a more all round athletic mid in the team.

    Ceballos actually has more to his game than just on the ball. He contributes off it as well. It’s just that he bumped into an effective Liverpool midfield yesterday.

    People should know who I am on about when talking about posters still having the time of day for a one dimensional midfielder with one skill set. And it ain’t Ceballos. It’s the one who thinks he’s Glen Hoddle. Even drags his boots across the grass like Hoddle used to do.

  75. Drey

    Receding Hairline

    Drey when he did coach Sevilla he beat Klopp 3-1. Just saying.

    Even Arsene Wenger beat peak a Barcelona team that has Messi, Iniesta,Xavi, Eto, Villa etc with Arshavin, Bendthner, Song etc 2-1.
    Don’t try to be smart.
    Unai Emery lost this game, that’s on him.
    We all were prepared to accept a loss if it means we would get to see what this team is made of now that he has ok personnel. None of those happened, and we still lost scandalously.
    Forgive us for not trying to defend the indefensible

  76. vickingz

    @ RH, please I beg you in whatever name of whoever you respect, don’t cross my path. I’ve neither quoted you nor replied to any of your comment. Branding my comment stupid even it wasn’t addressed to you is one of your ways of dragging me to your level. And by the way, nothing I wrote there suggested we kill coaches, I wrote “I doubt if he would have lasted the night alive PEACEFULLY”. Please, mr basic intelligence, live your life without looking at my comment. Can you do this simple task for me? Thanks

  77. Un na naai

    The worst thing about emery’s arsenal is that when we lose, we lose on our arses. We don’t take the game to the opposition

    We go down with a whimper. Tame and meek

  78. Receding Hairline

    Lasted the night… Means he would not survive the night, then you add alive… You just type from your anus.

    I am Nigerian so I have a duty to point out we have not killed coaches here before let alone one that lost to a better team. Don’t drag the county into your silliness on here and I will not respond to your rantings.

    Anyone reading your diatribe will thing we were trashed by Sheffield

  79. Freddie Ljungberg

    How is losing 3-1 away to Liverpool an embarrassing result? Was it great. No, of course not, but it was expected at this stage. Hardly embarrassing.

    Better teams than us will lose at Anfield this season.

  80. Un na naai

    We were so so lucky to get away from that at just 3-1

    They dominated us for 90 mins and really it should have been a bigger defeat than the 5-1 last season.

  81. Chris

    Honestly if you read some of the comments since the end of the game not knowing the result you would be forgiven for thinking we had lost 8-2 again.

  82. Un na naai

    Freddie

    The performance and the cluelessness of the coach is what people are dismayed with. The result would have been better had we showed something. We didn’t. We bent over and took it hard. Typical inept emery performance.

    Get used to it. It’s got his signature all over it.

    Liverpool dominated us
    The tactics were worms
    The line up was wrong
    The subs and formation changes came once we were 3-0 down even though Liverpool were hammering us for 60 mins

    Aubameyang is useless without lacazette on the field
    We are toothless in attack without laca on the field
    Why does emery not see this?
    He should be managing watford or real betis or Malaga. That’s his level. He’s not up to this standard

  83. Bob N16

    Unai and others, judging a player new to PL football on three games can only be seen as first impressions. The idea that Ceballos is not suited to the league is incredibly judgemental. First match looked lost as a sub, next match looked like a world beater, game 3 away to the European Champions in a set up that was hardly ‘possession football’ based the game passed him by.

    I could name loads of Arsenal greats who didn’t impress immediately. Give him time!

  84. Un na naai

    Chris

    Don’t be a mug
    We were lucky not to concede 8 yesterday

    He sets us up like small team trying to avoid a drubbing
    A west brom performance.

  85. DigitalBob

    Un na naai – Ceballo’s didn’t have a good game l but he didn’t actively harm our chances for a win yesterday, Luiz did.

    If Dani learns from that performance, not to dwell on the ball and to play smarter against the leagues best teams, he’ll be an asset for us this season.

  86. Emiratesstroller

    Yesterday Arsenal played to LOSE. The idea that we can contain Liverpool on the blackfoot with our defensive frailties already exposed in previous games was naive.

    Everybody on the planet knows by now that Arsenal cannot defend whether the ball is in the air or on the ground. That is why I have argued for a very long time that Arsenal need a complete rebuild recruiting players who understand the art of proper defending.

    Our midfield also looked equally frail when peddling backwards. It was only when Torreira came onto the pitch that Arsenal began to look slightly better
    in that department.

    I accept that Xhaka is pedestrian and on occasions plum stupid, but it is the brittleness of Guendouzi that concerns me every time I watch him play. His
    energy does not compensate for the ease that he can be dispossessed.

    Arsenal’s current strengths are its attack and possibly midfield creativity when given space in that department. We are never going to excel in this team when playing on the blackfoot.

    Let’s be clear Arsenal where outplayed in this game by a more balanced, well
    organised and hard working Liverpool team who are currently streets ahead
    of us. Fortunately only Man City offer the same threat.

    Spurs are a difficult team to beat, but lack the same class as Man City and Liverpool and both Chelsea and Man Utd are fairly mediocre teams and beatable.

    Personally I would play a different team against Spurs than the one we turned out yesterday. There is little that we can do about our defence apart from perhaps replace Luiz with Chambers.

    However, I would certainly replace Guendouzi with Torreira in midfield and
    play Aubameyang, Lacazette and Pepe up front. We need to play aggressively
    against Spurs and not allow them to dictate the game.

  87. Un na naai

    Bob

    It’s nit that he’s not suited to the league at all but that like Ozil he may be a flat track bully who turns it on when the pressure is off at nice sunny home games in London.

    Luiz is just Luiz
    Didn’t want him from the start and two goals yesterday can be attributed directly to him and his lack of awareness. The cunt never looks around himself.

  88. vickingz

    “Lasted the night” means not surviving the night? Really?? Good lawd… Mr Basic intelligence ain’t only not basic but silly now.

    You come on here just to vet whatever I write and pride yourself attacking me? Does my presence really makes you so embittered?

    My diatribe? Lolzz, well i’m the only one who’s voiced his opinion about yesterday’s game hence your attack on me.

    I stand to be corrected, I never suggested we kill coaches in Nigeria by what I wrote, maybe you need to cool off for a while and read again.

  89. Un na naai

    “Beyond that though, I’m not sold on the idea that this was a game we should take too many positives from. Was it better than last season? Yes. But then improving on a 5-1 scoreline is a low bar, and there were times in the second half when I felt the margin of defeat could be just as bad, if not worse. Liverpool were just so dominant, for almost the entire game, and I think we have to look at our game plan as the root cause of that.”

    Arseblog

  90. Chris

    Un

    I just feel some of the criticism is way OTT. There is constructive and then there is hyperbolic.

    Some people here wanted him sacked after the game it seems.

  91. DigitalBob

    Un – Yes true he could be similar to Ozil in that sense, time will tell but he does like to get stuck in so I’d wager we’ll see more Burnley performances from him than yesterdays mess.

    The narrow diamond bullshit Emery decided to play didn’t help him.

  92. PhD2020

    Receding HairlineAugust 25, 2019 06:48:44
    Compare Mo Sallah finish when he tricked luiz and was one on one with the keeper to Pepe, Pepe is doing a lot of good right now but panics with the finish. He really should have buried that chance.
    ———-
    Give Pepe a bleeding break..His first full game,slowly acclimatising to the EPL. Bought late towards the latter end of the transfer window, with no time to adapt and train with his team mates, let alone become accustomed to the EPL?!!

    What are you expecting-spectacular “CR7/Messi type clinical finishing fireworks,” in his first full 90 minutes at Anfield??

    Geez…
    If you are going to admonish him for his lack of burying that one-on-one facing down the keeper, then at least acknowledge his overall contribution for the duration of the game-which was quite good for his full debut.

    Geez x2

    PS
    Why don’t you admonish Emery -for his in-game tactics and substitutions…Like bringing on Laca on the 80th min, when we were 3-0 down for starters..

  93. DigitalBob

    Chris – True it is a bit OTT, but he’s not helping when he continues to make obvious bad decisions, in terms of tactics and team selection.

  94. vickingz

    People shouldn’t be result conscious, had 5-1 last season and 3-1 this season and y’all think we’ve improved? Performance wise? Most fans are angry not even at the result but knowing we played with our hands cuffed by the coach, that’s the problem. Yesterday’s show hasn’t clearly told us that we have improved even though the score line was less toxic than what we got served at anfield last season

  95. Ishola70

    Arseblog is correct there weren’t many positives from the match and Arsenal were basically dominated.

    But there does need to a reality check in regards to the level of this present Arsenal team even with the couple of new signings and this will become more apparent as the season progresses and also as we all know Man City and Liverpool are way ahead of the rest at this point.

    Always been more impressed with Arseblog’s sense of humour rather than his football knowledge acumen. He’s just an every day fan who happened to have an eye in how to make a name for himself in the blogosphere.

  96. Emiratesstroller

    Let’s be realistic Arsenal do not know how to defend. It is only a question about
    how many goals we concede. Playing on blackfoot as we did yesterday exposes
    us.

    Arsenal need to play attacking football with the fire power that we have got and create problems for the opposition. For me it is ludicrous keeping Lacazette on the bench.

    The attack is the one area of the team where we can match the top teams and
    we have also got some creativity in midfield with players like Ceballos, Ozil
    and even Willock who can unlock most teams.

  97. Un na naai

    Arseblog again

    My sentiments exactly!!!

    I have to say I was surprised that we didn’t change something at half-time given the pressure we were under in the first 45 minutes. I’m also surprised that as soon as it went 2-0 Emery didn’t really react. I reckon we could have given Liverpool something more to think about from an attacking point of view, because Pepe and Aubameyang felt very isolated and disconnected from the rest of the team. I realise it was by design, but the introduction of Lacazette earlier might well have forced the opposition back, and given us something far more cohesive to work with. Especially with Liverpool having an Almunia level keeper who demonstrated his flakiness earlier on. We barely troubled him after that first half error which saw Aubameyang almost score.

    Ultimately, while I understand being cautious and wary of a team like Liverpool, we went into this one with a gameplan based on solid defence, which is a huge gamble when you’re a team with no great track record of that, while fielding a back four which has only played together once before. Then we wanted to nick a goal on the break if we could – and maybe we should have – but to me it was the kind of thing you see when a small team goes to play a big team, and personally that rankles with me. I don’t mean to say we should have gone there and been open and expansive, but there’s a balance and for me it tipped too far the wrong way.

  98. Un na naai

    Ishola

    We’ve spent £200m in two seasons and boroughs in 11 new players plus two from the youth team.

    Only xakha, monreal and maybe Aubameyang (arguably) can be considered Wenger players
    This is emery’s team. His lineup. His tactics. His formation. His game plan. He and David Luiz cost us anything from this game
    Pepe looked positive. Had we gone with a 433 and played laca we’d have at least got at Liverpool and held them back some. Their fullbacks were given cart Blanche by emery and this silly diamond and the small team mentality he carries

    He’s a Newcastle level coach.

  99. Ishola70

    And he quotes Arseblog again lol.

    The football oracle that is Arseblog.

    Arseblog needs a reality check as well.

  100. vickingz

    Even at 2-0, I still felf we could draw the game and I was expecting emery to react but the camera showed his face and I saw a lost man then I knew we truly have lost the game. You can out of blind loyalty excuse emery for neither subbing at half time nor change the formation but also for doing nothing even immediately after Liverpool went 2 nil up? All on emery, all on him. I hope he never makes us this shocking again

  101. Un na naai

    Chris

    Not at all. We offered nothing and were totally dominated due entirely to the game plan. It invited a Liverpool side who’s defence was tested far more by lesser sides already this season
    They’ve looked shaky as hell until emery rocked up and made them look dominant. Even still Pepe opened them up. Aubameyang. Don’t even get me started. He’s nothing without others doing the hard work for him and creating space for him. He can’t beat a man. His movement is rubbish without others making runs for him. Offers little else.

  102. Chris

    Un

    I agree with your last paragraph there. I think however you set out against Liverpool presents risks, on the basis they are such a formidable team, especially at Anfield. There is little shame trying to nullify them and as Ishola pointed out, we are far from the finished article and we need to be conscious of that.

    Perhaps we should have looked at how Bayern contained them a few months ago when they came away with a 0-0. If I recall correctly they set up with a double pivot in midfield and tried to sucker punch. Emery didn’t get the balance perfect but I can see what he was trying to do.

  103. Emiratesstroller

    PhD2020

    This was the first start for Pepe and in the first 45 minutes he looked dangerous albeit not clinical.

    We have got 3 forwards who could be collectively as good as any team in Europe but they need to play as a collective.

    Frankly I don’t think that it matters whether we play 3 or 4 players in midfield.
    Liverpool played with 3 yesterday and still outclassed our four. What I do know is that Torreira is better than Guendouzi and probably Xhaka in midfield
    and should be playing and not sitting on the bench. Ceballos did not have a
    good game yesterday, but I still think that he will develop into a good player with the right support and gameplan.

  104. Bob N16

    Unai, again too early to judge with all the incomings. I have doubts about Emery but don’t starting counting incomings and money spent three games into a season, that’s ridiculous.

    If by November it’s still looking confused from Emery, sure get the knives out but three games in…..

  105. PhD2020

    Rocked up to Anfield with a defeatist attitude. Pure and simple.

    Now, that the dust has settled..I’m slowly dismounting from my high horse on Emery…Still give it to Dec 2019, before I go all in..
    But pretty peeved off with yesterday’s show and his masterclass tactics and substitutions.

    The Europa Final…The final collapse for top 4 finish last season.And now last night…

    Same pedestrian crap, with defensive flaws/gaps and no discernible pattern of play, aligned with making necessary & unnecessary changes at the wrong time.

    Sounds pretty familiar.

    Now,I’m beginning to understand why Pedro,has a full-blown hard on for Emery…

  106. Un na naai

    Ishola

    I quote them because they are right. Every single football writer has come out and criticized our tactics yesterday because they deserve criticism. Emery handed Liverpool the initiative when lesser sides with poorer attacking players got at their defenders and made them look suspect
    Liverpool have ride their luck every time they’ve played this season until they come to us.

    The modern day version of Allerdyce’s Bolton without the muscle.

  107. Ishola70

    Don

    Man City and Liverpool are way ahead of the pack.

    Liverpool at Anfield are nigh on unbeatable.

    You are going to have much more chance to slate Emery as the season goes on in games that are not already decided before the ball is kicked.

    I know you are eager to eat Emery up because he is not in your hero’s light Arsene Lupin Wenger but relax just a little there will be more opportunities for you to get your teeth around Emery’s throat before the season is out and against teams that are of a lesser level than this current Liverpool side.

  108. Tony

    ‘Was just a matter of time before they scored, I was convinced’

    That was my take during the 1st half Moe, especially as the half progressed.

  109. Un na naai

    PhD

    Glad you’re finally seeing it. It was a poor choice to hire him from the off
    All the good work in the summer will be undone by his fumbling, bumbling and incoherent post match mumbling

  110. Bob N16

    ES, echo your thoughts completely. Torreira should have started even if he wasn’t going to last more than 60 mins, he’s by far our best defensive midfielder.

    Liverpool’s way of playing means that they fade somewhat in the last 20 mins or so, at that point Torreira could have been replaced with fresh legs.

    Xhaka is looking more and more statuesque, completely unfit for purpose against the work rate of Liverpool’s midfield. Ceballos should be an excellent addition to our midfield options. Just wish Emery didn’t tinker so much.

  111. Un na naai

    Ishola

    Do me a favour……
    This isn’t about the difference in quality but the abject level of performance. The poor game plan. The fact that Norwich gave them a game and we couldn’t
    The fact that Chelsea out played them and we couldn’t for even a spell during the entire 90.

    Liverpool have been lucky this season and looked suspect but emery gave them the easiest win they have had this season

    Emery gave them that. His diamond. His decision to leave Lacazette out.

    His refusal to change anything when we were clearly on our way to imploding under the relentless pressure

  112. vickingz

    Aubameyang. Don’t even get me started. He’s nothing without others doing the hard work for him and creating space for him. He can’t beat a man. His movement is rubbish without others making runs for him. Offers little else.

    @ un na naii, Auba is an elite striker, just wait till they show you his conversion rate. He’s just a kicker to me though, not a striker. Do people even know what “strike” means? He really struck well yesterday, didn’t he?

  113. Nelson

    This game again showed me how good Klopp is as a coach. In the first half, Emery defended narrow and let Pool’s two FBs having all the time and space to cross the ball into the box. The defense was successful. Let’s see how Klopp did to solve this. Since Emery still gave Trent Alexander-Arnold all the space and time with the ball, instead of another cross into the box, he passed to Firmino just outside the box who passed to Salah for the 2nd goal. I am sure that if we try the same defensive tactics against the Pool again, we’ll be killed merciless.

  114. Bob N16

    Tony, I agree. Emery was playing rope-a-dope against the European Champions, taking the hits(conceding possession/flanks) hoping to catch the opposition out with the occasional swinging punch(counter attack). People can talk about the chances we didn’t take but with our defence was this realistic.

    I know Emery was joking when he didn’t want to play Liverpool but I’m not sure he was convinced that we could beat them. I think this view is telling!

    Ireland were undercooked but England were a joy to watch. They’ll be a real threat in the World Cup. We have enough players pushing world class status. Youngs needs to sort himself out though.

  115. Champagne charlie

    “You have quoted me two matches where Liverpool were playing away from Anfield and another where they were playing at home and were 4-0 up by half time with the away team Norwich playing more adventurously, naively.“

    I’ve quoted you Liverpool’s games this season.

    You lambast Norwich for playing naively but Liverpool managed less shots against Norwich than they did against us…..by 10. Norwich also gave them more of a threat. They’re a promoted side you plank.

    The bit you’re missing here, that anyone who saw that game commented, is that a better side would’ve damaged Liverpool big time.

    Liverpool hadn’t started in the league yet on a performance basis, not until we rolled up and let them strut their stuff. Tell me it’s because we’ve not got players like Southampton and Norwich. Our plan and execution was meek. Stop offering nonsense about Liverpool being on another level.

  116. vickingz

    The Europa Final…The final collapse for top 4 finish last season.And now last night…Same pedestrian crap, with defensive flaws/gaps and no discernible pattern of play, aligned with making necessary & unnecessary changes at the wrong time. Sounds pretty familiar.Now,I’m beginning to understand why Pedro,has a full-blown hard on for Emery…

    @phd, you know what’s constant in all these losses? Aside emery, it’s formation. Not even personnel or resources now, those are variables but only emery, his selection and formations are the constants in these losses you highlighted. Give emery the man city players yesterday, he would have still played his useless diamond formation

  117. Chika

    It was clear Emery went to Anfield FULLY expecting to lose. No matter how much his defenders try to paint it, such approach is totally unacceptable. We’re not Fulham FFS!

  118. Ivan

    Freddie – tbh result is not a stick most posters took to beat Emery with, but formation is. That mf diamond is pure bs.

    Put 4 mf-s just for the sake of it. 2 strikers up top doing nothing and setting rest of their team to endless defence.

    Ffs if we had 3 up top Leno could hit few balls now and then up top instead of trying to pass it to cbs under pressure while Lpool parked most of their players in to our half.

    Hope we wont see that formation again.

  119. Bob N16

    Vick, PEA is an elite goal scorer. His all round game has limitations but he will always score lots of goals. The fact that he didn’t score yesterday is not a very convincing argument to suggest otherwise.

    Not sure what your blood pressure’s like but it might be worth monitoring!

  120. Dream10

    “Arsenal were dispossessed in their own defensive third eight times in the first half. That’s the most by any team this season and the most by Arsenal this decade.”

    Adam Bate @ghostgoal

  121. PhD2020

    EmiratesstrollerAugust 25, 2019 10:21:33
    PhD2020This was the first start for Pepe and in the first 45 minutes he looked dangerous albeit not clinical.We have got 3 forwards who could be collectively as good as any team in Europe but they need to play as a collective.Frankly I don’t think that it matters whether we play 3 or 4 players in midfield.
    Liverpool played with 3 yesterday and still outclassed our four. What I do know is that Torreira is better than Guendouzi and probably Xhaka in midfield
    and should be playing and not sitting on the bench. Ceballos did not have a
    good game yesterday, but I still think that he will develop into a good player with the right support and gameplan.
    ——
    I agree on all your points.

    But let’s be fair, though Liverpool are a class above us(several classes I might add),they were organised ,smart and have/had a system in place.

    Do we have that?

    We seem so disjointed overall, and rely on our attacking force to bail us out, in times of dire straits.

    We conceded 18 shots to Burnley ( a lower-tier opposition) at home last week, despite having over 65% possession.

    We conceded 25 shots to Liverpool yesterday,given we had almost 43% possession.But what was the reality-2nd half,they hit us down the flanks,and then started toying with us through the center.

    What was Emery’s response?

    70 min sub Torr-almost 3-0 down and Laca 80 min sub.

    Damage limitation exercise?

    What is he doing to address the defence?

    We have a potent attacking force.What about addressing our defence,and doing away with playing from the back,when 3-0 down for crying out loud.
    This man,is certifiably mad..It starting to feel like a deja vu feeling.

  122. Un na naai

    Bobn16

    His performance yesterday shows me he needs Lacazette

    He doesn’t make space for himself so relies on his colleagues to make runs to create space for him
    His touch and awareness were sloppy yesterday when through on goal, bearing down on a relatively flappy keeper
    He didn’t test the guy all game. Pepe managed well yesterday because he can create. He can turn. He can run.

    Aubameyang relies on others to bring his limited game to the fore. Otherwise he’s a £54m waste of space. Emile heskey has more to his game.

  123. Kamp

    Dream’s stat is by far the most alarming of the day.
    The playing out from the back against the world’s elite pressing side simply defied belief. It was so so dangerous. We could have been 2 or 3 down in the first 10 mins down to that tactic alone.
    I understand we have to have a footballing identity and it has been decided we will play our way out, but yesterday it felt stubborn and petulant.
    Tactics is about exploiting your opponents weakness, not gallantly playing to their strengths.

    When we went long, Pepe not Auba competed aerially for the ball. Still we’re better off surrendering it in their final third than our own. We need a plan B for distribution, but we (still) don’t have that option in our squad at the moment.

  124. Ivan

    Chika – playing from the back is no nonsense if you do it right.

    Problem is when you set up your team that playing from the back is your only option the you set yourself to fail. If we had proper winger and cf Leno can choose what to do depending on Lpool players pressing high or not.

    The moment he scrapped wingers for 1 more body in mf and put Auba and Pepe as strickers we were devoid of option to boot the ball out and practicaly invited Lpool to pres us in our own box.

  125. Gentlebris

    I’m sure that Raul and Edu are comparing notes now, agreeing that Emery is not a good idea going forward.
    Watford is Emery’s level.

    We need a talented coach, a coach who can make decisions during games and get results.

    I knew before the game that Emery wouldn’t keep it simple, he sees himself as a tactician who must twist things, but then he’s not a brilliant one. Should have kept things simple; play your best forward line and your best players generally. And play a straight game, I’m fed up to my mouth about this silly passing from the back nonsense.

    This is a great group, get a coach who can over achieve and even City would be threatened by our lot.

  126. PhD2020

    Auba,needed help..Wasn’t at the races.
    What did Emery do?Bring on his wingman in the 80th min-3-0 down..

    Smh…

    This is up there, with Arsene’s substitution of Oxlade-Chambrlain, when he was running Manure ragged. And Arsene subbed him off-with RVP literally saying WTF!!Along with the Arsenal fans in the stadium in unison saying WTF!!!

  127. Mark

    I was 100% for Wenger out and still feel it was the right decision. Emery I was pretty neutral on but have to call it that Peak Emery imo is not up to his top 4 rivals and sadly it looks self inflicted. More limited teams will go to Anfield and play a better tactical game and not roll over. One of these teams might even end up drawing.
    If Hodgson can win at Old Trafford a technically accomplished team as us should be thinking of how we can secure a point at Anfield.
    The good news is the structure is in place to replace if necessary.

  128. Chika

    Ivan

    “Chika – playing from the back is no nonsense if you do it right.”

    IF you do it right, but we ain’t doing it right. Is Emery too blind to notice we don’t have the players to receive the ball under pressure especially against a super pressing side like Liverpool? Yet he persists, that obsession is nonsensical to say the least.

  129. Gentlebris

    If you watched Leno closely you could see he was aching to play a long ball. But he had instructions. Liverpool knew he had instructions. Surprise elements completely taken out.
    Shit coach.

  130. vickingz

    Vick, PEA is an elite goal scorer. His all round game has limitations but he will always score lots of goals. The fact that he didn’t score yesterday is not a very convincing argument to suggest otherwise. Not sure what your blood pressure’s like but it might be worth monitoring!

    @ Bob, I won’t disagree with you, what you are expecting from an elite striker seems different from my expectations. An elite striker would have at least scored a goal or terrorize Liverpool’s defense better yesterday but no problem. And as for my BP, thanks but no thanks.

  131. Gentlebris

    How could you put your defence under close and constant pressure for long periods and hope they survive it? They must snap at some point. Luiz did.

    Shit coach.

  132. Jamie

    This place is so demoralising after a loss, even after one at Anfield.

    Arsenal Positives:

    – Pepe looks like he’s going to be dangerous when he settles in.

    – Willock looks a decent prospect, as do Guen and Torr

    – Our starting fullbacks and at least 1 CB will be back in the squad in 6 weeks

    – Emery and his staff will be replaced with no fuss if he doesn’t (or it looks like he won’t) achieve a top 4 finish this season

    – Things were worse under Wenger

    – I’m starting on the sauce nice and early today. Epic sunshine.

  133. Un na naai

    MarkAugust 25, 2019 10:53:29
    I was 100% for Wenger out and still feel it was the right decision. Emery I was pretty neutral on but have to call it that Peak Emery imo is not up to his top 4 rivals and sadly it looks self inflicted. More limited teams will go to Anfield and play a better tactical game and not roll over. One of these teams might even end up drawing.
    If Hodgson can win at Old Trafford a technically accomplished team as us should be thinking of how we can secure a point at Anfield.
    The good news is the structure is in place to replace if necessary.

    Baaaaahahahahahaha

    Marko was neutral on emery he reckons. 😂😂😂😂😱😱😱😱

  134. vickingz

    I knew before the game that Emery wouldn’t keep it simple, he sees himself as a tactician who must twist things, but then he’s not a brilliant one. Should have kept things simple; play your best forward line and your best players generally. And play a straight game, I’m fed up to my mouth about this silly passing from the back nonsense.

    @ Gentlebris, lemme compliment your write up in one of our languages in Nigeria by saying “Yauwa na gode” Couldn’t have said it any better. Emery is a confusionist.

  135. Ishola70

    Charlie

    I haven’t forgotten that you were underplaying Liverpool at the start of last season as well before they went on and put on that big points haul in the league and it looks like you are yet again underplaying them.

    Talk to me again regarding Liverpool and their “vulnerability” near the end of this season and let’s see how vulnerable they are in relation to their points haul.

    I understand you have a loathing of Liverpool but no need to talk rot about them.

    Besides I was talking about how powerful a team they are at home at Anfield something which you again ignore. This match wasn’t played at Emirates, it wasn’t played on a neural venue, it was played at Anfield if you hadn’t noticed where they are virtually unbeatable.

    Under-rate them all you like Charlie just like you did at the start of last season.

  136. Un na naai

    Luiz out and chambers in.
    Honestly. He showed exactly why he was an awful signing for us yesterday and he will continue to drop bombs like that all season for us. It will be worth it for the odd Hollywood pass though I guess.

  137. Ishola70

    lol Don is comparing Liverpool to Man United now.

    A team that finished 31 points ahead of the other season just gone.

  138. Un na naai

    Ishola

    Here’s an idea. Maybe get yourself down your local biology lab and see if they can grow you a brain cell.

    Guess again numb nuts