EMERY BRUTALLY ENDS TWO PLAYERS

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The concept of the modern marathon was inspired by a Greek football fan that legged it from the site of Marathon to Athens to deliver a scoreline, the distance was 25 or so miles. The message was about an important game in which a Greek football team defeated a Persian one (they had good football back then). The messenger died, so to commemorate this heroic football nut, they have marathons around the world.

The point of my story is this… if Emery doesn’t achieve anything in his Arsenal career, but manages to shift on Elneny and Mustafi, I’ll name a special day after him. I’ll petition the club to give him a stand. I’ll get on the blower to the Pope and ask how you go about Sainthoods.

This is what Saint Unai said of the pair yesterday.

“They are very big players but for one circumstance or another they are going to have fewer chances to show their capacity or to be happy with us and the minutes they play in matches,” Emery said. “But they know the situation and really I am wishing the best for them. I think now the best for them is to be protagonists in another team and to get another challenge for themselves.”

“Last year with Mustafi and Mo, when they didn’t play they weren’t happy and I spoke with them a lot of times last year and this pre-season,”

“I think it is positive for them to leave and sign for another team where they can be protagonists and be happy and continue their careers.”

I firm up when I read vicious quotes like that. When did Wenger EVER talk that aggressively about his babies? Never.

I am also warmed to hear that the players like to play. Those two are too young to ride out a fat contract. By sitting on deals, they take themselves out of the shop window, their games get rusty and clubs around Europe frame them as a pair of Winston Bogarde’s. If you’re young, you should want to play football, even if that’s at a cost of a few grand a week.

To ride out a deal takes a special sort of person. Someone with a character big enough not to be impacted by the humiliation of being benched.

Both players have value. Mustafi has a lot of good going in his game. He’s played all around the world. He’s made of strong stuff. He just needs a really good defensive coach to beast him into not being so dim. Elneny is just at the wrong level of club. He needs to go to Italy or a middling club in Spain.

Both need to move off that wage bill.

In loan news, it was great to see Eddddddiiiiiieeeeeeee score his second goal at Leeds. I really think he could be a blistering talent if he’s given the chance. I love that he’s at Leeds learning under Bielsa. He’s going to learn to be more decisive, he’ll build confidence from the goals, he’ll get tougher under the brutal conditions of the Championship. It should be a very good year for him.

Hector Bellerin went OFF on the mighty Ceballos.

“I think Dani’s one of the best players I’ve seen in my career. I’ve played with him since we were like 18 or 19 years old. We’ve played in the under-21s, we get on really well off the pitch”

“He’s up for it & he’s a player who will go through thick & thin to do the best for his team. He’s got a great heart & he plays for everyone around him. I think he’s a great addition”

LOVE TO READ IT.

David Ornstein continues to drop beads of gold onto the newsfeed. Again, clarifying the authoritarian regime that Arsene Wenger ran.

Power really is a corrupting force. When you’re succeeding, the last thing you should do is build a team of yes men around you. That’s what Wenger did, then when things started to fail, he had no answers. He wanted to wear every hat. You do wonder what he could have achieved if he’d ripped out his back team and installed up and coming coaches. What would our trophy cabinet have looked like if he’d had a more powerful CEO next to him that insisted on owning the infrastructure?

Wenger could still be a player if he’d allowed other people to develop his ideas… but he didn’t, and now he’s watering the flowers in a very green garden in North London.

“The meetings used to be just between Kroenke and Wenger”@bbcsport_david on how changes in personnel at the top have made #Arsenal ‘more proactive in the transfer market’.

Right, that’s me done. Listen to this podcast before the Liverpool game tomorrow.

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  1. Ustyno

    Emery should definitely concentrate on fighting for top4 not that nonsense he did last season because as far I can see we will still fall short when it matters most, anytime we meet a quality team am sorry but we are going to lose maybe it’s a mentality thing maybe it’s him over tinkering with his tactics.

    Ceballos was not up to scratch in this game,Pepe definitely is handful he will help the team,I think Willock played well too,Guendouzi is weak in the air but much better than Xhaka who doesn’t know what it means to wear armband,Luiz might turn out good but he seems like a liability especially today,Raul and co should get a better defender because the stop gap Luiz might not stop anything,.

    Lastly if Emery fail to get us into champion league next season please they should wait for anything,he should be shown the way out

  2. TR7

    Pierre

    I was referring to how he takes his shot in the attacking third. Opening his body up, pausing for a second and then trying to slot it home with left foot. In his YT highlight too, he seems to be scoring his goals the same way. As for dribbling he will do it fine but I felt at times he tried to overdo it and losing his balance in the process. Hopefully it’s just nerves.

  3. PhD2020

    Pepe looks good, a handful. Just needs time and some games behind him to acclimatise to the premiership.To be fair, I’ll give him another season,where hopefully, he will be up and running.

    My only concern, is when he opens up his body and shapes to shoot with his left.No doubt the opposition teams will have noticed this, and possibly instructed their defenders to move him to his right.I think here,he needs to mix it up a bit and be less predictable when in scoring positions.

    I reckon he will flourish at Arsenal.

    PS
    Defence still an issue for nigh on a decade..Sort it out!!

  4. G8

    Our midfield was so weak it’s a joke!
    didnt help either attacking or defending.
    Not happy with Auba’s lack of aggression he should learn one or two things from firmino of how to fight and defend from the front.
    Pepe showed a lot of promise in his first start..it could have been another Thomas up for grab had he scored that one on one chance .
    Emery’s tactics obviously wrong with the team he selected, we showed the dippers too much respect.
    Not good day for luiz obviously
    Monreal played like it’s his last game for arsenal..and not in a good way ..
    O well…
    Fuck off you Scousers!!

  5. Marko

    Guendouzi was our best midfielder today. He is improving. Would like to see him Torreira and Ceballos going forward

  6. Valentin

    Ishola,

    The other way around.
    Sokratis was man marking VVD. Only his idea of man marking is tugging on his shirt. His tugging was so blatant that had Matip not scored a penalty would have been given. His tugging on VVD shirt stopped Guendouzi from reaching Matip. Guendouzi was tasked to manmark Joel Matip.

    By now Emery should know that we do not have the players and height to man mark at corners. Continuing that experiment when it last season it cost us games and this season we got lucky against Burnley, but against Liverpool again we conceded using that aystem. Clearly reverting back to the system that saw us have the best defensive record on set pieces 2 years in row should be a priority.

  7. Samesong

    Looking at the highlights of the Luiz penalty neither Xhaka or AMN closed the space to Firminho before he turns that ball to Salah. Also Sok was not alert and could of also got tighter to Firminho

  8. Valentin

    Raptora,

    Lighten up. My comment was a joke. This afternoon there was a big debate about Ceballos being better than Fabregas and Cazorla that got quite heated.

  9. Samesong

    Hopefully it’s just nerves.

    You can feel the nerves from him in front of goal. Once he scores his confidence will flourish.

  10. Ishola70

    Valentin

    Sokratis was nearest to Matip when the ball hit the net and was actually standing bang in front of Matip. He could have put a challenge in.

    No idea why Guendouzi was in the mix anyway because as we saw against Burnley he is not good in the air at all.

    And you should know better than to judge individual players and write them off in a match like this. Arsenal are so clearly second best to Liverpool as a whole team that it is pointless to say such and such a player is useless in such a games as this. Whole Arsenal side is inferior to this Liverpool team.

  11. Danny M.O

    A tactic we could of used was spraying balls to auba and pepe. That is if laca was occupying van d and matip.

    on a 1 on 1 i would bet for pepe and auba to beast robertson and trent. This playing out the back lead to too many mistakes.

    Emery go it completely wrong. it was basocally pepe and auba vs a full back and cb.

  12. Receding Hairline

    No Sokratis was marking Matip, how is this even a debate. He did not attack the ball,didn’t even jump.

    Aubameyang really needs to work on his aggression and general body language in games like this.

    And I don’t know what praising Ceballos for a great game against Burnley has to do with his atrocious performance today, are fans supposed to postpone praise when a player does well??

  13. Champagne charlie

    Samesong

    Said that at the time, we gave Firmino acres of space. Not sure what the tactic was there, he’s such a threat on the half turn.

  14. Marko

    Pepe favouring his left is nothing new. You always hear about it being easier to defend against that sort of thing and how it’s supposedly easy to show him onto his right and yet players like him and Salah and Messi and Mahrez etc etc still find a way to be great players

  15. Samesong

    Ishola

    Matip wanted that header more. Sokratis was slow to jump with Matip. I think he took his eye off the ball for a slight second

  16. Ishola70

    Receding Hairline
    “No Sokratis was marking Matip, how is this even a debate. He did not attack the ball,didn’t even jump.”

    Thank you Receding.

  17. PhD2020

    Auba was not at the races today..More so,in the second half..Needed his wingman, Laca on earlier on in the second half,to shore up some confidence and belief,if not from the very start. Create more attacking options, to give the Liverpool backline something to ponder on.

    Just don’t understand that substitution-Laca on in the 80th minute when we are 3-0 down.

    Beggars belief??!!

    I don’t understand Emery’s thinking..It seems, nor does he by the looks of things..

    I’ll sit and watch and see how he does away -against the top six teams this season. Will be telling.

  18. Champagne charlie

    Ceballos way well go on to become heir to Fabregas, but what today served was a dose of reality after the hyperbole of last weekend.

    Worryingly for me today was how ineffective he was physically. One thing hassling relative dross in the Burnley midfield but his “bite” was nonexistent against Liverpool.

    That left us with the two kids and Xhaka having to put the boot in. Not ideal to say the least.

  19. Champagne charlie

    “Who was holding VVD when Matip scored?“

    Sokratis.

    If that header didn’t go in it was 100% a pen off of VAR

  20. peanuts&monkeys

    “The debate whether Emery is a master tactician or an over-thinker should definitely be in the box resolved: over-thinker.”

    Brilliant Valentin!! Nailed it.

    Its a game stupid. at least 50% has to be played on the pitch. He is probably asking for a setup where 90% of the game is being played in the dressing room and in the poor players’ minds.

  21. Samesong

    Agree PhD Emery thinking is strange at 3-0 what else do we have to lose.

    Klopp seemed very easy in his post match interview afterwards like it was an easy game for Liverpool. Which ended up that way in the second half.

  22. Ishola70

    Samesong

    “Matip wanted that header more. Sokratis was slow to jump with Matip. I think he took his eye off the ball for a slight second”

    Yeah a lot of the time the running incoming player has advantage over the defending player because of momentum in those circumstances but nevertheless Sokratis was a bit pathetic in that play.

  23. Bob N16

    Predictable that we’d lose against a settled team, unbeaten in 40 home matches who also happen to be European champions.

    Predictable that Emery would make a couple of unpredictable selections (no Laca or Torreira)

    Predictable that lots of people over react to a defeat that will have little effect on our season.

    We will get much better, new players will integrate, injured players will be available. We are going to have more enjoyment out of our team this season. Today was too early to see how our transition is progressing.

  24. raptora

    Papa Sok fked up for their goal. Was busy holding players instead of jumping. Ball was above his head. He does this literally all the time. VAR was looking at a red card offense plus penalty committed by Sokratis for a previous corner iirc. Guy doesn’t care where the ball is but to wrestle his opponents. Not the right approach imo. Dayot cannot join soon enough.

  25. Receding Hairline

    No Guendouzi was holding VVD not Sokratis

    Sokratis was in front of Matip, watched the ball all the way and did nothing about it.

    Nor was it a nailed on pen for VVD, he and guendouzi had their hands all over each other, I think that particular incident distracted many from the atrocity Sokratis committed on that goal

  26. Marko

    Yeah Sokratis is a weird one. He’s a different kind of error prone idiot. So many of his are less embarrassing but more doing stupid things like wrestling a player to the ground and dragging players by the jersey. Can’t do that shit especially with VAR anymore

  27. Receding Hairline

    It was an easy second half for Liverpool, first half they were clearly getting frustrated before the goal, second half was a breeze. The sub’s came too late, and Willock and Ceballos were no match physically for the Liverpool midfield. Guendouzi was better than both and I can’t for the life of me see what Xhaka did wrong today to warrant some of the comments on here about him. Seems he is just an easy target

  28. Un na naai

    Oh here we go

    Onto the next game losers
    Was always going to be skanky teeth vampire hair to let the side down
    We’ve got the players
    But the coach is dog shit

    Fuck off emery you negative Mourinho lite spunk bucket
    At least Jose would have put up a match

    We do t want his sort round here do we? Rather emery who’s more boring and loses as much as he can

    Santi pisses all over Ceballos
    Kos is at the very least as good as Luiz but that just cost us an extra £8m

  29. Champagne charlie

    “No Guendouzi was holding VVD not Sokratis“

    No it wasn’t.

    Sokratis has his right arm over Guendouzi holding VVD’s shirt the whole time. It’s why VVD turned and stared a hole through the red.

  30. S Asoa

    Liverpool is dangerous playing their front 3 if Salah, Firmino, Mane. Definitely less potent with only 2. Play consistently so they gel like clockwork.
    Our Tinker tinkers non stop and leaves everyone confused a d fans irritated.

  31. TR7

    I have always said Holding is our best centre back. We need him to be back as soon as possible. Sokratis is an uncouth defender and Luiz is never far away from a big blunder.

  32. PhD2020

    TR7August 24, 2019 20:03:44
    PhD
    Good to see you back. How are you doing ?
    ———-
    How are you TR7?hope all is going well with your work?
    I’m cool.Just been busying myself with reports to submit,other than that I’m okay.

    You?

    Was a bit impressed towards the end of the transfer window with our transfer signings.Which was in stark contrast,to my pessimistic view of the organisation and machinations of the club from the end of the season -till end of the transfer window(for the EPL).

    I’m still a bit cyncial(as you know),before I start hailing:’Hail Caesar’ to Raul,Josh,Vinay and Co.

    I’ll take a more medium- long term, pragmatic approach and see where their ambitions, accountability, ruthlessness,strategy,etc-aligns with or goes towards where they want to drive the club forward (expectations) versus actual realisation, reconciles together or matches up with their pronounced ambitions of late, over a period of say-2-5 years from now.

  33. Elmo

    “Yeah Sokratis is a weird one. He’s a different kind of error prone idiot. So many of his are less embarrassing but more doing stupid things like wrestling a player to the ground and dragging players by the jersey. Can’t do that shit especially with VAR anymore”

    It’s an interesting point whether VAR is going to make certain players no longer viable at the level they played at before, particularly CBs who have always relied on grappling, impeding and the dark arts.

  34. Valentin

    Ishola, Receding,

    The fact that Sokratis was closest to Matip does not make him marking Matip.
    You can clearly see that Guendouzi is tangled between VVD and Sokratis. Sokratis is tugging on VVD shirt, because that is how Sokratis mark his player.
    Guendouzi tapped on Sokratis arm to get him to release his grip so he could move into position. He is even appealing to the referee that he has been pushed by VVD.

    Sokratis attempted block on VVD, in fact blocked Guendouzi from reaching Matip.

    Anyway I don’t like that system. And as I said before the beginning of the season with VAR used, it is a bad defensive system as a lot more penalty will now be given.

    Also we do not have the players to compete as only three of our players are good headers of the ball: Sokratis, Luiz and Monreal.

  35. vickingz

    We can blame the players for their individual errors but this game was more of a collective error and this is on the coach. Many times it has been said that emery complicates things instead of simplifying it. Right from the blow of the whistle, one could see we were mostly headless, no one was taking the ball to the Liverpool half, no player was charging forward, we suddenly found our lost useless sideway passes which was initially thought to be the “weathering the Liverpool’s storm” for a while but it later became obvious that Emery has shot himself in the leg again.

    I still can’t come to terms with why he started the second half with no sub already, our players suddenly looked so lost and lots of confusion and primary school ball moments exhibited by our players.

    You can make excuses for a coach’s tactics but still making excuses for his decision after his tactics went into flame? Emery isn’t taking us anywhere better than we were before he joined us.

  36. Marko

    I can’t for the life of me see what Xhaka did wrong today to warrant some of the comments on here about him

    I dunno about what was said but for me in a week where we were hearing about it being an acid test for Ceballos and there always seems to be some sort of criticism of Guendouzi and Torreira it was another game where he just did…nothing. Like I don’t get it with him for the most part I’ve yet to see what it is that he’s supposed to be good at. Today he literally did nothing of note. It’s not enough that he didn’t have a brain fart moment he actually has to contribute some

  37. The backpass

    Why is there VAR in Italy, watching fiorentina vs Napoli and it shows how stupid they really are in Italy.
    Bullshit pens all around

  38. TR7

    PhD

    ‘How are you TR7?hope all is going well with your work?’

    All good at my end. Tired of working in a corporate set up though, I wish like you I had gone for PhD in finance and made a career in teaching or research which I really like. Still doable but not sure I can study for another 5 years.

    ‘Just been busying myself with reports to submit,other than that I’m okay’

    I guess you must be pretty close to completing your PhD . Final submission ?

  39. Valentin

    I agree with Marko. Not making mistake is not good enough. Xhaka has to actually positively contribute.
    Bar one or two balls where he released Pepe and Aubameyang early, otherwise most of the time he slowed things down and played it safe.
    The fact that both 19 years old were working out and in to compensate his lack of mobility should be a clear sign that he is not suited for that kind of high pressure game.

  40. Receding Hairline

    I don’t get this headless chicken talk , first half I thought we did well and didn’t deserve to go in a goal down. Second half once the penalty was awarded and scored heads dropped.

    Liverpool players did make errors too,we just didn’t punish them because we aren’t sharp enough in games like this. Aubameyang is all pace no power, Pepe is what you mean when you say pace and power.

    Most of you expected to lose and lost…. Big deal.

  41. vickingz

    It doesn’t matter the resources at your disposal, if you can’t harness them together for a common goal, if you don’t know how to use it, it will never be enough. Last season, we said if only he had better players and not kos and mustafi, well neither of these two played today, we even got a “for now ok” winger and to be honest, we weren’t loaded with 5 goals, that’s a pass for Emery. His goons are already saying if only bellerin and Tierney were available, jeezzz.

  42. PhD2020

    TR7August 24, 2019 20:25:20
    I have always said Holding is our best centre back. We need him to be back as soon as possible. Sokratis is an uncouth defender and Luiz is never far away from a big blunder.
    —–
    This..

    Always had high hopes for Holding.Just hope injuries does not become his nemesis,in terms of fulfilling his true potential.

    That said,we work with the current hands we are dealt with.Luiz, was his normal self, but I’m sure that will be counterbalanced somewhat with some of his superlative offensive plays in the near future against lesser opposition I suspect.

    The net effect, would probably amount to zero.But he’s a stop-gap.

    Sokaritis,is one of the defenders that you have as a mountain to confront the opposition.Not the most subtle, intelligent,or sophisticated of defenders.but what other choices do we have currently.

    Emery should be able to extract the optimum out of this squad this season.

    Anything less than a top four finish,a Europa trophy(which I believe he is aiming for), should be Muchos Gracias and Adios Amigo!!

  43. kamp

    Auba. laca. pepe

    Guen. Ceballos. Torriera

    Tierney Holding Luiz. bellerin
    Leno

    I think that is where we need to get to, and fast. That side should be taking 4th spot and the europa

  44. Globalgunner

    Xhaka offers nothing, No physicality, no ball play no defensive nous. he just occupies a space where a quality player should be. We need to get rid as he will get harder to shift with each new season and he peaks in crapness.

    AMN is just someone who won a lottery to play football and has no idea what he is doing. why do we have to have the fear of God put in each and everyone of us when we go to Anfield or OT or wherever.

  45. Pierre

    Today showed why liverpool are champions of Europe and why either they or city will win the European cup and the premier league this season.

    Who said willock needs a rest because he’s tired.
    He’s played 3 games in 3 weeks , do me a favour ..

    He probably look tired today because he was chasing shadows for most of the game.

  46. Marko

    The fact that both 19 years old were working out and in to compensate his lack of mobility should be a clear sign that he is not suited for that kind of high pressure game.

    This true. I think we can all agree that Ceballos was the worst midfielder on show today the game just passed him by but the game passed Xhaka by as well. At least the two younger players in there showed tremendous hustle all day. Xhaka just did nothing all game

  47. peanuts&monkeys

    Arsenal could be sending back Ceballos to Real at least 15 pounds heavier. He should be put on a diet and some weights immediately. He is good enough to invest all these. But fast.

  48. Guns of SF

    Bad decisions by Emery.
    4-3-3
    Laca should always play in tough away games from the start.
    He and Torr have more tenacity in their game.

    ive been holding off judgement on Emery but today he really fucked it up….
    Late subs and bad starting lineup

  49. vickingz

    Laca isn’t an out and out striker, that’s the kinda personel you deploy in game like this. He came in and we suddenly had options in d final third. He should have at least came in at the start of the second half. Liverpool was there for the taking, i’m pissed not because arsenal got beaten by that we didn’t turn up and made it look like Liverpool played against a metallul resita fc from Romania

  50. Danny M.O

    The fact is auba and pepe were marked out the game by the fullbacks and centre backs. Ceballos was nowhere near them to make a difference or trouble the centre backs. this allowed vvd and matip to provide the fullbacks cover when dealing with our two forwards.

    Once we have tierney and bellerin we can overload the wings and apply pressure. At the moment monreal and amn do not do that because your xhakas dont have the legs to cover.

  51. Redtruth

    TitsMcGee August 27, 2017 17:59:58
    “You mean we actually don’t look any better than last season? This cannot be . I was assured by Charlie, Wallace, Pierre, UglyGunner that this season would be better because we signed Lacazette. You mean his presence hasn’t solved all of our issues? 🙂” Liverpool 4 Arsenal 0

    Pierre

    Were Liverpool European Champions when they thrashed us 4-0 in 2017. …lol

  52. PieAFC

    Away from home Emery will baffle.

    At home he knows he’ll have to play the front 3 of auba, Laca and Pepe otherwise fans will get on his back very quickly trying to be too smart all the time.

  53. Receding Hairline

    Pierre Willock was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him. Should have been pulled off earlier, nothing to do with tiredness, those guys eat better players than him for breakfast. We are not yet equipped to do damage to this Liverpool team at Anfield, nor do I think their full backs were so influential, they had a lot of the ball and didn’t do much with it. Sadio had a quiet game. It was really just one of those matches.

    The poster who sighted Spurs drawing at City must be having a laugh, they were battered, the scoreline didn’t tell the story of that game. With the right selection they will lose to us next week, I feel that’s where Emery will struggle this season, selection.

  54. Un na naai

    Marko
    Working his arse off to make the loss xakha’s fault

    Keep trying plonker
    Manky gnashers fucked up again

    8 goals conceded at anfield in two games an mongo is looming at xakha!!!

  55. G8

    Guendouzi is the future..
    I like his energy and fighting sprit
    With a bit of experience and physical strength he will be the mustard imo
    Willock is also getting better..hopefully they both stay healthy and injury free.
    and in case of willock, stay out of trouble!
    Agree xhaka did nothing of note..And he was the captain!

  56. Un na naai

    Marko

    Can we have play by plays of your personal highlights who xakha cost us the game?

    This should be hilarious

  57. Radio Raheem

    Arsenal’s Liverpool woe – the stats

    Since Jurgen Klopp took over in October 2015, Liverpool have scored 26 goals in eight Premier League games against Arsenal – the most one side has netted against another in the competition in that period.

    Only Everton at Arsenal (64) have conceded more away goals against a single opponent in the Premier League than Arsenal at Liverpool (62).

    Arsenal have now failed to win any of their past 23 away league games against fellow ‘Big six’ sides (D8 L15) – during this run they have conceded 53 goals while keeping just one clean sheet.

    Since the start of last season, Arsenal have given away eight Premier League penalties – only Brighton (10) have faced more.

    Liverpool have scored 22 headed goals in the Premier League since the start of last season; seven more than any other side. The Reds have scored three in this campaign already, while no other side has scored more than one.

    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has faced Arsenal eight times without defeat in the Premier League (W5 D3).

    Mohamed Salah has been directly involved in more Premier League goals against Arsenal than against any other side (eight; six goals and two assists). He has scored in all four of his home games against them.

    Trent Alexander-Arnold has assisted nine goals in his past 10 appearances at Anfield for Liverpool in all competitions, including assisting once in each of his past five competitive home games.

    Nicolas Pepe has become the first player to successfully dribble past Virgil van Dijk in the Dutch defender’s past 50 appearances in the Premier League, since Mikel Merino in March 2018 for Newcastle.

  58. PieAFC

    “With the right selection they will lose to us next week, I feel that’s where Emery will struggle this season, selection“

    RH, well said there mate.

    Emery will never know what system or how and who to play.

  59. Un na naai

    Willock was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him. Should have been pulled off earlier,

    Bahahahahahaah
    Hairline
    Try Ceballos. Was utterly lost

    Home games v Burnley he’s sound
    At least he’s cheaper than ozil I guess
    What was all that bluster about aiming higher than Santi Cazorla? Mmmmmm
    All a bit hollow now

  60. Receding Hairline

    Yea Lacazette has featured in the last two battering at Anfield hasn’t he?? On the strength of his overall performance against Burnley I would not have started him but I would have brought him on sooner.

    Anyways nothing new was learnt today, I am off.

    Moan away guys

  61. PhD2020

    TR7August 24, 2019 20:36:38
    PhD‘How are you TR7?hope all is going well with your work?’

    All good at my end. Tired of working in a corporate set up though, I wish like you I had gone for PhD in finance and made a career in teaching or research which I really like. Still doable but not sure I can study for another 5 years.‘Just been busying myself with reports to submit,other than that I’m okay’I guess you must be pretty close to completing your PhD . Final submission ?
    —–
    I understand the corporate set up..Been there myself, was a leap of faith for me.

    That said,never too late to fulfill your ambitions, especially if you are set,or have/had designs on doing a PhD in Finance.
    If that is your calling,go for it. PhD is usually 3-5 years.Not sure of the programme duration in your country.

    I assume you are in Accountancy &Finance?

    Trust me,if you plan it right, and have set targets when undergoing a PhD, it can be just as rewarding, if not more than the current position you are in. Yes,for sure sacrifices have to be made, but it’s more so how much you want it, believe in yourself and in what research topic you are taking on.

    To be fair,it’s your supervisors that shape your whole experience,or at the bare minimum contribute to whether what you take on board as a topic,is a worthwhile journey or investment.

    It’s all in the planning and identifying a research area of interest -that also has the potential to grow in the long term and is somewhat sustainable..

    I could talk more about this later on,or on a different platform.Let me know,either way.

    Not yet submitted,a bit of a distance (subjective)to go.But not far off!! 🙂

  62. vickingz

    It obviously seem I watched a different match, I honestly need to watch this match again going by praises being showered on Guen with respect to this match. He did fuck all, couldn’t close down space, how many forward passes did he make? He was busy using his energy to do what exactly? I stand to be corrected though

  63. Receding Hairline

    No Un na nai , he should aim higher than Cazorla. He is 21 and already earned a move to Madrid. He was put up for a loan and only the best of teams were interested. Again I don’t even see what he has to do with Cazorla, that conversation has become boring.

    He had an outstanding home debut and was praised for it, he was ineffective today and has been criticised for it. End of.

  64. Marko

    Can we have play by plays of your personal highlights who xakha cost us the game?This should be hilarious

    That sentence is hilarious

  65. PhD2020

    SamesongAugust 24, 2019 20:11:44
    Agree PhD Emery thinking is strange at 3-0 what else do we have to lose.Klopp seemed very easy in his post match interview afterwards like it was an easy game for Liverpool. Which ended up that way in the second half.
    ——–

    I just don’t get it..Really bizarre tactical thinking and set-up,amongst other issues one can point out in that game.A defeatist attitude,despite an improved squad.

    I’m beginning to think he is out of his depth.The weight of expectations,is too much for him to shoulder-Top 4 finish??!!

  66. vickingz

    Can’t believe a whole week was used to prepare for this shit show and some people are still making silly excuses, how about accountability for once? Life is indeed difficult for the blind

  67. Receding Hairline

    We didn’t concede four goals today, just saying.

    Nor do I necessarily think today was a 3-1 loss performance. We have a Liverpool block as a team, don’t act like we have been whipping them regularly.

    Nothing is being swept under the carpet nor should we go on and on about a team who are 40 unbeaten at Home beating us.

  68. TR7

    PhD

    Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I am pondering over the idea of doing a PhD from a reputed US uni if I get a chance. Not sure I can work for next 20-25 years in a corporate set up but again can’t do a PhD just to escape from job. I need to be fully wedded to the idea of doing a PhD. Anyway will discuss with you again if I finally decide something.

  69. vickingz

    When Emery said he doesn’t wanna play Liverpool, we were told it was a joke and we were overflogging it but it wasn’t a joke after all. Emery was being honest, he just showed us all tonight

  70. Redtruth

    Receding Hairline

    The last time we beat Liverpool was at the Emirates in 2015. The last time we beat Liverpool at Anfield was in 2012.
    So this Liverpool 40 unbeaten at home is bullshit.

  71. PhD2020

    TR7August 24, 2019 21:17:57
    PhDThanks for the heads up. Yeah, I am pondering over the idea of doing a PhD from a reputed US uni if I get a chance. Not sure I can work for next 20-25 years in a corporate set up but again can’t do a PhD just to escape from job. I need to be fully wedded to the idea of doing a PhD. Anyway will discuss with you again if I finally decide something

    ——
    For sure, but you find an area that you are passionate about. From there it flows and trust me, with the right contacts,a reputable institution, and supervisors, you can go very far.As I said, it’s all in the planning and identifying the right people to supervise your area of interest(or passion of interest 🙂 ).

    All the best in your decision making.If you need to hit me up, feel free-more than happy to talk on a different platform,as and when.

  72. Un na naai

    Rh

    We’ve conceded 8 goals in two games at anfield
    4 on average
    Wenger averages far less. Just saying….

  73. Nelson

    A good player can look bad if the coach set you up for failure. Today’s game plan was defending deep and long ball to Pepe or Auba. We played four midfielders. We had Xhaka as DM, Guen and Willock defending left and right side. Ceballos’s position is redundant. We either play long ball or play out from the back. Ceballos hardly received a pass. The game passed him by.
    Next time if we want to use this tactics again, don’t waste a player in Ceballos position. We should add either another big defender like Holding or another attacker like Laca. Three midfielders are enough.

  74. vickingz

    @ un na naai

    Why are you bringing wenger into this? We might truly be beaten with these same players if it was wenger coaching them today but no way would we have put up that show emery dished out.

  75. The backpass

    Vikingz

    Lol,you mean absolutely shit the bed as we normally do with wenger in charge.

    Emery really isn’t the answer though

  76. JJ

    Sure there were some poor performances but the team was set up to fail with Emery’s tactics:

    1. Diamond midfield gives LIV wingbacks space to cross.
    2, Obsession with playing out of the back putting undue pressure on ourselves.
    3. Reluctance to go long and use our attackers strengths.

    This loss is all Emery.

  77. The backpass

    Vikingz

    The ref in the napoli game is very very very shit …two absolute stupid penalty and ribery should have had a pen in the last minutes.

  78. Redtruth

    Wenger’s 22 year reign of terror cannot be extinguished in just one season. This will take diligent prayer and fasting before the demon is finally expunged

  79. Cork City Gooner

    Poor result ,cant knock the lads though especially guendouzi ,pepe should have put us 1 up ,if that chance fell to Auba its a different game,i still believe in Emery and this team ,no more xhaka though please ,,that fraud has had more than enough chances

  80. PhD2020

    RedtruthAugust 24, 2019 21:35:25
    The Club needs to be delivered from Wenger’s evil spirit.
    —-
    I would not go far as to say the club needs to be delivered from”Wenger’s evil spirit,” but you are right.

    The stench of Arsene still envelopes the team like a permanent polluted dark cloud, even though this is Emery’s team now.

    I don’t see any sense of urgency on the pitch,a laissez-faire approach, defensive weakness, tactical naivety and a WTF is our philosophy.

    That said, surprised Lampard pulled off a result against the Canaries..Had that down as a draw. A goal chalked off for Norwich, would have painted an entirely different picture. Still the fact remains-7 goals conceded in 3 matches for Lamps..

    Interesting times ahead in the premiership season, what with Manure losing 2-1 to C.Palace at home,along with Rashford missing a penalty.

  81. Champagne charlie

    Valentin

    You’re usually much more reasoned than your Xhaka take earlier. Guen and Willock knackered because they were running about covering him?

    We were playing a narrow diamond in midfield, Guen and Willock had to play CM and support the fullbacks. Nothing to do with Xhaka, there’s enough to bemoan about without the phantom stuff to boot.

    I’ve my own issues with CM, but this Xhaka fetish irrespective of his performance is boring as it comes.

  82. PhD2020

    Champagne charlieAugust 24, 2019 21:56:14

    Don’t you think that Xhaka is a weak link in our team set up overall?

  83. Champagne charlie

    PhD

    Not particularly, he’s an asset in 90% of the games we face despite all his positive attributes constantly being dismissed and belittled.

    Our CM options are:

    Ceballos, Torreira, Willock, Guendouzi, Elneny.

    That’s poor. Elneny is a nothing player, Willock and Guen are kids, so that’s Ceballos, Xhaka, and Torreira as senior players – with Ceballos having just landed.

    I wanted a Doucoure added, someone with mobility, an engine, physicality, and knew the league. I’ve no issue replacing Xhaka, but of the current lot I don’t think there’s much between them so you could make the case for any.

  84. Nelson

    Today’s tactics has not been well thought out. We planned to play defense and long ball to Pepe and Auba. Why did we also try the slow build up from the back? A few time Leon got the ball. Instead of kicking the ball quickly to Pepe or Auba, he moved back, looked and rolled the ball to one of the CB.

    Today’s killer are the first two goals. The third goal was a result of us opening up the defense.I find that the first goal was because Guen was physically too weak for high ball. The second goal was Xhaka ball watching as DM. And our defenders are too old to play against Salah. Luiz will never be able to match Salah’s speed. Hopefully, when Tierney and Bellerin are ready, we’ll have fast defenders taking care of Salah.

  85. vickingz

    @ phd, haven’t we ever played with a sense of urgency under emery? I bet it wasn’t wenger’s stench clouding up these players then but on a day like today that we were so poor, it’s wenger’s stench still enveloping the players.

    Thank goodness you mentioned lampard’s Chelsea and the fact that they have conceded 7 goals in 3 matches yet what lampard is doing with the players at his disposal is so apparent and he took over in how many years ago? Please, what’s apparent about emery? Y’all can’t just stop blaming wenger, we all blamed him but he’s gone now. Focus on emery

  86. PhD2020

    Champagne charlieAugust 24, 2019 22:12:55
    PhDNot particularly, he’s an asset in 90% of the games we face despite all his positive attributes constantly being dismissed and belittled.Our CM options are:Ceballos, Torreira, Willock, Guendouzi, Elneny.That’s poor. Elneny is a nothing player, Willock and Guen are kids, so that’s Ceballos, Xhaka, and Torreira as senior players – with Ceballos having just landed.
    —–

    I’m probably in the out-of-field type of supporter of Elneny.But,one think I like about him,is that he his tidy with the ball and ticks things over.Might not do the spectacular things you require,but his mistakes are minimal as compared to Xhaka.That said,in replace of him……

    My preferred starting line up today against Liverpool would have been

    Leno
    -AMN(need a replacement asap)-Sok-Luiz-Monreal-

    -Guen-Torr-

    -Ozil/Cebellos-
    -Pepe -Laca- Aub-

  87. raptora

    At least I realized that this vikingz dude is the guy thats been banned multiple times using different nicknames. Why did I even troubled myself to offend him?!

    Anyhow, super early days. I’ll start judging Emeryball from October and onwards. We will have a better idea of how good can we be by then when he’ll hopefully have all of our ideal starting 11 at his disposal.

  88. vickingz

    @ raptora, nahh, i’ve never used a different nickname on legrove and if I gets banned, I ain’t opening another account. And honestly, you haven’t offended me and if I have come across otherwise, i’m sorry

  89. Champagne charlie

    PhD

    Can’t agree there about Elneny, he’s no standout traits and he’s a level below imo.

    Xhaka and Torreira don’t seem particularly suited to the PL but their positive characteristics shine through generally speaking – one a tenacious and busy player, the other very good in possession.

    I just think we overlooked CM this past summer. Would’ve personally looked to capitalise on Chambers season last time out and used his funds to bring a capable and ready CM into the mix. Perhaps we can sell Mustafi and Elneny and bring someone in come Jan? Idk.

  90. vickingz

    You will not always have your first 11 as a coach, what makes you worthy of being a good coach is your ability to make do with the players you have, your ability to draw them punching at their weight or above it. Most of our players won’t be happy after this game cos they know they ain’t as bad as emery’s tactics made them to be

  91. MidwestGun

    I’m 100% ok with manager’s trying new things and being unpredictable.. So was ok with the setup first half.. It just about worked… Howeverm It was very dangerous as it allowed Pool to have possession on the flanks and pump in crosses… but we pretty much dealt with it and should have scored on the counter attack.. really.

    However, once we conceded a goal right before half it was painfully obvious we needed to make a change … Ceballos and Auba were having little to no impact on the game and we needed to chase a goal.. and additionally you know Klopp covered what we were doing at halftime and how to counter it… so it’s beyond baffling Emery did nothing at half and no surprise we capitulated within 10 mins. Same thing happened in the Europa League final by the way… So I’m finding it very hard.. to see how that improves.. Emery doesn’t need until October and Tierney and Bellerin.. Just do better and stop relying on players that don’t offer anything.. yes Xhaka. Never been a fan of Luiz because of his wtf moments.. either but I realize we have not much choice right now and he does offer a long outlet pass that Leno seems unwilling to do.

    On the positive side.. I was very impressed by Pepe and Willock … I thought they were our two best starting players. We have to have a better setup against Spurs though… and no that does not mean Ozil or Miki.. just no..

  92. MidwestGun

    For me.. I would try this..

    Auba or Nelson….. Laca……. Pepe

    Willock…… Lucas T……… Ceballos or Matty G.

    Monreal… Luiz…. Papa… Amn

    …… Leno

    Not crazy about our back 4 but not many choices right now.. I wouldn’t be upset to see Chambers get a start though.. but not at fullback. Also.. I would have Martinelli on the bench for when we need to chase goals.

    Anyhow. At least United lost as well.. it did take the edge off the day.

  93. Pierre

    If one was to ask a 100 people who know anything about football ” how would you set up a football team to play Liverpool at anfield”, I doubt if any of them would say “allow the Liverpool fullbacks to have as much space and time on the ball as they want “.

    If anyone did recommend that was the ideal way to play Liverpool , they would be ridiculed for having no idea about the game..

    Yet our manger devised this master plan, maybe it was a tactic to try to physicologically confuse the opposition.

    Klopp appeared confused when he spoke about Arsenal’s diamond formation after the Game.

  94. Valentin

    CC,

    I think that Emery’s tactic were wrong, but I also think that was exacerbated by Xhaka lack of mobility. Liverpool constantly switches play and then went through the middle.

    There is two types of diamond formation a narrow one and a wide one.
    In the narrow one the player at the bottom of the diamond is a Pirlo type of player. Both side act as defensive shield with a deep laying midfield general.
    In the wide one the player at the bottom of the diamond is a pure defensive midfield player. A very mobile player that plugs any gap.

    Today we had a wide diamond formation with Xhaka at the bottom a not very mobile player. Both Willock and Guendouzi were overworked, Ceballos dropping too deep to put pressure on their midfield. Xhaka did not make any obvious mistake, but Liverpool exploited that lack of mobility.

  95. LegendMax

    On today’s game
    I’d say emery’s tactics wasn’t the problem, at least not in the 1st half. The plan was to choke up the middle and deny liv space, forcing them to go down the flanks and send crosses in. Emery knew our defenders could handle their crosses cos Firmino, Mane n salah arent big aerial threats and we dealt with most of their crosses well.
    It was important to choke up the middle to make it difficult for liv’s midfielders to make late runs into the box and connect with crosses or rebounds. I think this is a good tactic to apply against liverpool. More so cos we played pacy attackers upfront to hit them on the counter, knowing they were playing a high line. Problem is you have to get it right and take your chances when they come, which pepe and auba failed to do.
    They started getting frustrated until poor marking from the corner gave them a goal.

    I understand why emery was reluctant to change things at the start of the 2nd half. The tactic had worked well in the 1st half. we had just failed to take our chances.
    It was likely we would get more chances and bury them when they came. Until david luiz happened.
    At 2-0, i would have brought on Lacazette for ceballos. Waiting till the 3rd goal went in is where i think he faulted. By then, the game was out of reach.

    In essence, the tactic was good enough to contain liverpool, not match them. Frankly not many teams can match liverpool at home. Ask barca….they got hammered and they’re a better team than us. Their unbeaten home record speaks for itself. Asking arsenal to go there and match them is a bit unrealistic. They’re too good. What we could do and did try to do, was contain them…but individual errors let us down today, not the coach’s tactics.

  96. PhD2020

    Champagne charlieAugust 24, 2019 23:07:35
    PhD
    Can’t agree there about Elneny, he’s no standout traits and he’s a level below imo.Xhaka and Torreira don’t seem particularly suited to the PL but their positive characteristics shine through generally speaking – one a tenacious and busy player, the other very good in possession.I just think we overlooked CM this past summer. Would’ve personally looked to capitalise on Chambers season last time out and used his funds to bring a capable and ready CM into the mix. Perhaps we can sell Mustafi and Elneny and bring someone in come Jan? Idk.
    ———
    Fair enough about Elneny.We agree to disagree on that front.

    Even if we bring in a ready made CM.Emery needs to sort the defence out.It’s ridiculous.I’m slowly losing patience with this guy and his tactics.Given,that I’m know for being patient.

    I’m starting to wonder,what is the difference between him and Arsene,especially in our play and set up.

    We conceded 25 shots to Liverpool against our 9 shots-with Liverpool having 53% of possession.Compared to Burnley where we conceded 18 shots(a lower tier opposition) vs 15 shots given we had 68% possession and were at home.

    Just those stats as a stand alone-are dire and are ringing some alarm bells.

  97. PhD2020

    NorthbankerAugust 24, 2019 23:57:50
    PhDYeah let’s field 12 players – that should work
    —–
    Where,have I listed 12 players?Do point out the error?I’m all eyes!!

  98. MidwestGun

    What we could do and did try to do, was contain them…but individual errors let us down today, not the coach’s tactics.
    ________
    Hmmm I don’t know.. Think more like it is a combination of tactics and individual errors that let us down.. Emery certainly didn’t make Pepe miss or Auba or Luiz be a dumbass… But as substitutions and their timing is a part of tactics and knowing when to change things… I would say that played a big role as well.. Otherwise what is Emery doing there in the box yelling.. The thing I’ve noticed about Emery is he seems to do nothing when we should change and change when we should do nothing.. hahaha it’s like his timing is just off or something and you have to assume the opposing manager will make adjustments at halftime. Regardless as you pointed out.. Pool is a beast Club at the moment especially at home. Just felt like we kind of let one slip away as we had our chances and Emery didn’t really help the cause today, in my opinion of course. Still not a fan of the 4 horseman of the apocalypse Miki, Ozil, Mustafi and Xhaka though so when I see any of them in the lineup I already am in doubting mode to start off.. not gonna lie.

  99. Nelson

    It looks more and more likely that Monreal will be traded. We’ll probably have to play Kola with a 3 CBs formation. How about we keep Mustafi until Jan. May be he can play with Luiz. Luiz is a very vocal defender. He can guide Mustafi along. One thing is for sure. Mustafi can head the ball much better than Guen.

  100. PhD2020

    MidwestGunAugust 25, 2019 00:54:06
    But as substitutions and their timing is a part of tactics and knowing when to change things… I would say that played a big role as well.. Otherwise what is Emery doing there in the box yelling..

    The thing I’ve noticed about Emery is he seems to do nothing when we should change and change when we should do nothing.. hahaha it’s like his timing is just off or something
    ——-
    This …

    I’m becoming to notice this aspect of his game management more acutely.
    Timing is off completely. Similar in some vein to Arsene.

    Doesn’t have that instinct to enforce a change when it is required. And then goes a bit kamikaze, when the game is beyond him or even working in his favour.

    Just can’t get my head around the 80th min sub in of Laca-when we are 3-0 down? Really beggars belief!!!

    If, not a starter, then an early substitution in the second half. More so, when we concede a penalty and are 2-0 down. Not on the 80th minute, as one notable example. Prior to that bringing Torr on in the 63rd min…

    Just a bit weird.

    Tactically-Klopp had Unai in his pocket.

    The difference in levels of management.

  101. Nelson

    Mid

    Definitely, there is something wrong with the tactics. I have no problem with the defensive tactics except replacing Xhaka with Torr. But offensively, that was so confusing. If we want to play long ball to Pepe and Auba, why do we played this slow build up from the back. Each time when Leon caught the ball, he didn’t kick it to Pepe or Auba. Instead, he walked back, then rolled the ball to once of the CB.

  102. MidwestGun

    I don’t think Emery is sh.it by any means.. just find it hard to get behind and fully support. Not about sauce for me… just results and decision making. Although clearly on the charisma scale he isn’t near the top either

  103. Nelson

    I was hoping that Emery would focus on establishing an identity of the team and improving the chemistry of the team based on this identity. Instead, he tinkered with the formation. It could create confusion among the players.

  104. PhD2020

    Personally,don’t think the players are buying into his philosophy or strategy.If,anything they seem confused,more so with the passing smog of Arsene lingering around the Emirates.

    I think there is an identity crisis amongst the players,let alone within the hierarchy.

    Sure, questions are being asked amongst themselves.

    Are we playing tippy -tappy?Playing out from the back when 3-0 down?Doing cut backs? Counter-attacking?Or possession football?

    Who knows?

    Roll on Dec 2019…

  105. PhD2020

    One other point…
    Don’t get why Ozil (a WC winner, former RM player) was dropped out of the squad for a big game against Liverpool this evening (CL Winners & 2nd Paced EPL team 2018/19), but is in contention for the match squad against Spurs?

    Isn’t this, the type of games(against Liverpool -CL Holders),you wish to play in-forget about trying to justify your wages?

    It doesn’t add up…???

    I love the guy, despite his flaws. But seriously, does not make any sense.

    What we roll him out for specific non-combative/non-physical home games, where the opposition go easy on him? Or is it related to weather conditions, location/region, and type of opposition?