EMERY BRUTALLY ENDS TWO PLAYERS

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The concept of the modern marathon was inspired by a Greek football fan that legged it from the site of Marathon to Athens to deliver a scoreline, the distance was 25 or so miles. The message was about an important game in which a Greek football team defeated a Persian one (they had good football back then). The messenger died, so to commemorate this heroic football nut, they have marathons around the world.

The point of my story is this… if Emery doesn’t achieve anything in his Arsenal career, but manages to shift on Elneny and Mustafi, I’ll name a special day after him. I’ll petition the club to give him a stand. I’ll get on the blower to the Pope and ask how you go about Sainthoods.

This is what Saint Unai said of the pair yesterday.

“They are very big players but for one circumstance or another they are going to have fewer chances to show their capacity or to be happy with us and the minutes they play in matches,” Emery said. “But they know the situation and really I am wishing the best for them. I think now the best for them is to be protagonists in another team and to get another challenge for themselves.”

“Last year with Mustafi and Mo, when they didn’t play they weren’t happy and I spoke with them a lot of times last year and this pre-season,”

“I think it is positive for them to leave and sign for another team where they can be protagonists and be happy and continue their careers.”

I firm up when I read vicious quotes like that. When did Wenger EVER talk that aggressively about his babies? Never.

I am also warmed to hear that the players like to play. Those two are too young to ride out a fat contract. By sitting on deals, they take themselves out of the shop window, their games get rusty and clubs around Europe frame them as a pair of Winston Bogarde’s. If you’re young, you should want to play football, even if that’s at a cost of a few grand a week.

To ride out a deal takes a special sort of person. Someone with a character big enough not to be impacted by the humiliation of being benched.

Both players have value. Mustafi has a lot of good going in his game. He’s played all around the world. He’s made of strong stuff. He just needs a really good defensive coach to beast him into not being so dim. Elneny is just at the wrong level of club. He needs to go to Italy or a middling club in Spain.

Both need to move off that wage bill.

In loan news, it was great to see Eddddddiiiiiieeeeeeee score his second goal at Leeds. I really think he could be a blistering talent if he’s given the chance. I love that he’s at Leeds learning under Bielsa. He’s going to learn to be more decisive, he’ll build confidence from the goals, he’ll get tougher under the brutal conditions of the Championship. It should be a very good year for him.

Hector Bellerin went OFF on the mighty Ceballos.

“I think Dani’s one of the best players I’ve seen in my career. I’ve played with him since we were like 18 or 19 years old. We’ve played in the under-21s, we get on really well off the pitch”

“He’s up for it & he’s a player who will go through thick & thin to do the best for his team. He’s got a great heart & he plays for everyone around him. I think he’s a great addition”

LOVE TO READ IT.

David Ornstein continues to drop beads of gold onto the newsfeed. Again, clarifying the authoritarian regime that Arsene Wenger ran.

Power really is a corrupting force. When you’re succeeding, the last thing you should do is build a team of yes men around you. That’s what Wenger did, then when things started to fail, he had no answers. He wanted to wear every hat. You do wonder what he could have achieved if he’d ripped out his back team and installed up and coming coaches. What would our trophy cabinet have looked like if he’d had a more powerful CEO next to him that insisted on owning the infrastructure?

Wenger could still be a player if he’d allowed other people to develop his ideas… but he didn’t, and now he’s watering the flowers in a very green garden in North London.

“The meetings used to be just between Kroenke and Wenger”@bbcsport_david on how changes in personnel at the top have made #Arsenal ‘more proactive in the transfer market’.

Right, that’s me done. Listen to this podcast before the Liverpool game tomorrow.

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  1. GillespieRoadNoMore

    Brutal but not before time, do wonder about making this so public. Conte was similarly brutal with Diego Costa and that had an adverse impact on his sell on value.

  2. Dream10

    Unless we are certain to have a defender come in January, no way we should we sell him. He’s past his best, but he covers three positions, LCB, LB & LWB. With Chelsea and Man Utd capable of messing up, there’s a solid chance at CL football.

  3. The Kreonkes

    @ pedro
    The point of my story is this… if Emery doesn’t achieve anything in his Arsenal career, but manages to shift on Elneny and Mustafi, I’ll name a special day after him. I’ll petition the club to give him a stand.

    Add ozil mkhi and xhaka to that list and we gonna write a petition to rename the arsenal stadium from emirates stadia to emeryte stadium…

  4. Globalgunner

    Mikhi and Ozil are not on the list because they are virtually impossible to sell or even give away. Xhaka will hopefully also be on the lame duck list by Xmas

  5. Nelson

    I think Klopp is going to put someone to shadow Ceballos. We need Guen to play along side him. Torr will be our DM. I like our midfield better than Pool’s midfield.

    Pool’s two FBs are way better than ours. It will be critical for our two wingers to push them back or at least keep them in check. We should send some long balls very early in the game for Auba and Pepe to run into. It would put some doubts in their FB’s mind. The game will be very interesting as long as we can keep the score tight. We shouldn’t panic even if we were behind. Pools will continue to attack even if they were ahead.

  6. jwl

    Mitch Hedberg Joke Friday –

    My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the fuck’s really going on down there? Who is the real hero?

  7. jwl

    Wearing a turtleneck is like being strangled by a really weak guy, all day. Wearing a backpack and a turtleneck is like a weak midget trying to bring you down.

  8. Words on a Blog

    I like the approach:
    First, at the beginning of the window, tell them, privately, that they are gonna be lame ducks if they stay.

    Then, if they haven’t found themselves new clubs towards the end of the transfer window, tell the world that you’ve told them a long time ago that they are considered to be lame ducks and really need to find themselves some new clubs.

  9. Doomngloom

    Thorough,Upemencano would be first choice.way b4 likes of kia havertz where his club is already looking for telephone nos ,something we def can’t afford. & slim chance of picking up caballos.therefore first things first I say.

  10. The Kreonkes

    if emery plays 3 at the back and still feeds in xhaka and guendouzi in the same starting xi, i am going to be emery out from tomorrow till emery finally gets the axe, even if it takes another 22yrs ….. except he manages to beat city to the league trophy

  11. Nelson

    This year, Emery has enough players for selection. He should focus on building an identity for the team. If Emeryball is playing out from the back and high pressing, he should select the right player for this tactics. If he thinks Xhaka is better than the other midfield options to play this tactics, then I would like him to explain this decision to the fans.

  12. Guns of SF

    Morning all.
    Love hearing Emery coming out in the press with this.
    It was not all blood and guts…. I think his assesment was spot on. They need to further their careers elsewhere are there are limited minutes for them. How can they now stay at the club after the manager says this?

    Good for Emery to have some cojones

  13. jwl

    I wonder if Emery said this on his own initiative or was it collective decision with higher ups?

    Singling out players publicly like Emery did if bosses disagree with coach’s assessment is bad idea, I assume there is group agreement that those two players need to be shifted elsewhere.

  14. Receding Hairline

    “Brutal but not before time, do wonder about making this so public. Conte was similarly brutal with Diego Costa and that had an adverse impact on his sell on value.”

    Nothing wrong with making it public

    This was even more brutal

    Wanyama has not featured this season and could leave before the end of the European window.

    ‘Football is not about yesterday,’ Pochettino said when asked about the midfielder. ‘It’s about today and you need to show every day. Victor was injured and others stepped up.

    ‘We are not a charity, not in this case about Victor, but we have a lot of options to play different players and sometimes players are lucky, some are unlucky.”

    And Wanyama was a more productive player than Elneny or Mustafi for us.

  15. Receding Hairline

    “I think Klopp is going to put someone to shadow Ceballos”

    I pity whoever it is then, Ceballos was giving the entire Burnley midfield the runaround, he has enough about him to easily shake a man marking operation

  16. Gentlebris

    That’s not Emery. Raul has his fingerprints all over that move, Emery just carries the parcel.
    Emery too would get served if he failed top 4 target again.

    Raul is the man.

  17. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    Have to partially disagree with you on the accountability angle re:Wenger, I don’t understand how you talk of authoritarian regimes and leave that at the feet of the manager? The continuation of that, and the enabling of such a structure is the biggest indictment on Arsenal FC.

    Always comes down to a very clear rehashing of past events for me, Wenger was a devil for having yes men around him and wanting control across the board. Absolutely no nod to the fact it should’ve been slowly altered along the way toward what we see of modern clubs today. We took no lead from United post-Fergie, and the only time it was challenged was when we dropped outside the top 4 and the money started to hurt – sorry if i’m not swayed by bannergate.

    So while Wenger’s shortcomings are long discussed and apparent, there seems to always be a shrug of the shoulders at the complicit nature of the Kroenke ownership in that time. Very much took two to tango in that regard. If the Kroenke’s had been serious a decade ago, even 5 years ago, Wenger would’ve either been the beneficiary of a system that served to extract the best from him as a football manager, or he’d have been relieved of his position because he didn’t fit with the forward thinking model. This ‘if only Wenger did X’ is an incredibly one-sided a take, yes and no to it from me.

  18. Pedro

    Hey CC, I’d have hoped that someone as addicted to winning as Wenger could have policed himself.

    Kroenke was meek, no doubt. Also didn’t have a clue what he was doing.

  19. Receding Hairline

    Well Klopp already expects Xhaka to start, over to you Emery, disappoint him.

    Klopp: “Arsenal will make, I think, two changes? They will bring in Pepe, which will not make them weaker, and Xhaka. Good team, real pace, wow! But I look forward to these games.” #LFC

  20. Receding Hairline

    “Wenger would’ve either been the beneficiary of a system that served to extract the best from him as a football manager, ”

    You cannot benefit from a system you never wanted or believed is necessary.

  21. Receding Hairline

    “Kroenke was meek, no doubt. Also didn’t have a clue what he was doing.”

    Well Pedro if you purchased a club led by a god like figure i doubt you would want to get in his way.

    I like how everyone acts like they would have been cool with Kroenke diluting Wenger’s power, something tells me it would have been met with protests a few years back.

  22. Pedro

    RH, I think after 5 years, you’d probably gain enough knowledge of what’s going on to be dangerous.

    The idea that Stan just had one true point of communication at Arsenal is quite a staggering indictment of his leadership.

  23. Chitom

    CC, before Pat Rice retired for health reasons as Wenger’s no 2 SAF had managed to go through five no 2’s at United in the same time.
    I doubt he did that because of pressure from the United board to keep himself fresh and open minded to modern takes on football.

  24. Receding Hairline

    “The idea that Stan just had one true point of communication at Arsenal is quite a staggering indictment of his leadership.”

    True

    Why was Gazidis exempted from those meetings Pedro, wasn’t he the CEO? That guy was stealing a living here in someways

  25. Receding Hairline

    “CC, before Pat Rice retired for health reasons as Wenger’s no 2 SAF had managed to go through five no 2’s at United in the same time.
    I doubt he did that because of pressure from the United board to keep himself fresh and open minded to modern takes on football.”

    Exactly, you have to want change to benefit from it

  26. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    I think expecting Wenger to police himself is a stretch, don’t recall too many scenarios in any walk of life where no accountability prospered. He was running the rule over all factions of Arsenal, guy was spread thin and the evidence of that is clear in his ‘2nd term’ if you will.

    Would’ve been great were he cognisant enough to do exactly that, but ultimately my overriding issue of that period was the manner in which we appeared to just coast as a football club. That’s a leadership failure, of which Wenger was complicit given his position as leader of most.

  27. China1

    The meetings just used to include wenger and kroenke fucking lol

    If I read this quote two or more years ago I’d be furious (tho unsurprised) tho with a new regime in tow and lots of positives in front of us, I hear stuff like that now and just think it’s funny

    What company does that? How many companies in the world don’t involve their CEO in half the meetings and just have a senior manager and major shareholder?

    Anyone who says that Ivan was ever trying is having a laugh. Any CEO worth a damn would never tolerate being sidelined so hard to their own subordinate. Ivan sat out of those meetings for 10 years before leaving.

    What an absolute dick head. Collecting those CEO millions and not doing a job

    As bad as wenger was, at least he was actually doing some work lol

  28. Dream10

    Leno

    Sokratis Luiz Monreal
    AMN Guendouzi Xhaka Kolasinac
    Mkhi/Ceballos Lacazette Aubameyang

    I think Mkhitaryan and Ceballos will be competing for one spot. Ceballos is the man in form. Mkhitaryan provides the effort and energy Emery likes. His quality is sporadic, but I think he’ll get the nod.

  29. Champagne charlie

    “You cannot benefit from a system you never wanted or believed is necessary.“

    That’s why I said “either”, because either Wenger would’ve benefitted or he would’ve been replaced by someone to be the beneficiary. Either way Arsenal FC prospers above all…..which is the point. What Wenger would’ve adhered to or not is irrelevant, he had superiors.

    Chitom
    Fergie was a ‘better’, more self-aware manager than Wenger, i’m not sure pointing that out makes any dent in what Arsenal could’ve done different of the last decade. Wenger isn’t being held on a pedestal, I’m simply pointing out from my pov that much of his failures could’ve been mitigated by better leadership. At the very least we would’ve arrived at the point we’re at now years earlier.

  30. chris

    Gazidis hid behind Wenger, as CEO he should have been driving change. As has been said, he stole a living and to this day I can’t think of anything positive he changed at the club.

    Wenger didn’t want to change, his insistence of holding control of all technical matters even just a few months before it totally unravelled for him was telling. His stubbornness was part of his undoing.

    Stan should have realised this game before he sent Josh in to investigate. So there is blame to be had all around. However, we are on the right track now and exciting times are ahead. Even as soon as tomorrow (I don’t think we will lose at least!)

  31. Jamie

    I’d bite your hand off for a point at Anfield.

    We need a constant press and no defensive brain farts. Then a moment or two of magic from our strikers.

  32. Freddie Ljungberg

    Dream10

    Let’s hope that Emery doesn’t put out that XI, ever, then he deserves the boot.

    No Pepe, Mikhi over Ceballos, Xhaka over Torreira, Monreal as CB in a back 5.

    That’s just horrible on so many levels.

  33. chris

    At least Emery didn’t tell Mustafi and Elneny to find new clubs via text message. Still can’t believe Conte did that with Diego Costa. Shocking !

  34. China1

    The most frustrating thing about wenger doing everything was that it meant nothing got done

    We literally couldn’t sign players for the vast part of any window because ‘we are focusing on preparing for the pre season friendly in 2 days’ or the next game in January etc, or he was on holiday or whatever. We had zero value from any of our infrastructure because they were all redundant. Same for bould who started a promising n2 and was quickly relegated to a sitting egg on the sidelines and not much else. Then when wenger did get round to taking over other tasks it meant he was not focusing on the stuff he should’ve been, like tactical preparation or whatever

  35. Receding Hairline

    Jamie i really liked the way we played against them at the Emirates in the first leg last season, it was one of our best performances last season. The energy was there, the purpose.

    Emery has had a whole weak to think about how he approaches this game, Liverpool have shown signs of weakness in all competitive games played this season

  36. chris

    I’d love for someone to tell me exactly what Gazidis did on a daily basis.

    I can imagine his old desk being full of notepads filled out with illustrations of murdered, decapitated women Patrick Bateman style.

  37. China1

    Ceballos’ most impressive quality is his balance

    He can carry the ball in a sprint, kill the ball dead, and reverse direction and accelerate up to a sprint in the reverse direction in the shortest time I’ve ever seen

    I’m not even sure how the initial forward momentum doesnt make it impossible lol. You don’t need to be blisteringly quick if you have the ability to drastically change directions in a split second without losing momentum. When you turn people like that your opposition get taken out of the game by their own momentum. It’s a rare and fabulous trait that very few players have

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Well, if I am as shit as Elneny and Mustafi, I would sit out my multi million pound contract that sets me up for life, then get a new club in a couple of years.

    Once again, the players are not obligated to leave.

    Good for Unai though. He’s showing leadership. He may be of some use this season.

  39. China1

    Lol Chris well I’d imagine a combination of that and making his boss arsene tea a couple of times a Day was about right

    Struggle to think of anything else

  40. Champagne charlie

    Ceballos has a lot to live up to, dancing about at home against Burnley isn’t the acid test.

    Our last win at Anfield? 2012 I think, when we won 2-0. Cazorla opening the scoring in his debut campaign. That’s the level.

  41. Champagne charlie

    Actually might’ve been Podolski in the purple kit that opened the scoring, Santi was just unplayable.

  42. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    Don’t really care much for where they finished, Anfield has been a graveyard for us for years and they’ve been up and down in terms of overall league position. Takes a special player to rise to a game there, period. Arshavin, Santi, Ceballos drops another performance like last week and he takes a massive step towards proving his level.

    Naturally that is lost on Mr.I don’t look for arguments.

  43. China1

    Guns they’re not obligated but they’ll look like total losers, waste a couple of years of their short careers and struggle to convince a team worth a damn that they’re worth taking a punt on for their next contract. It’s a false economy

    Imagine you’re 27 and earning 100k a week for example and you’re unwanted but have 2 years left on your deal.

    Another club comes in offering you a 4 year deal on 75k a week but you think I’m not obligated to leave so stay for two years on your 100k. That’s 50k extra for those two years compared with if you left. Okay.

    Now you’re 29 and no clubs that can or are willing to pay high wages will touch you because as well as being nothing special, you’re also considered a bit of a loser for taking the money over the football.

    So you sign a 3 year deal at a club that will take you on just 50k because no one else wants you or will pay what you want

    Meanwhile if you’d just taken the 75k at another club you’d have been playing, you might have done ok and you’d have likely earned another contract worth more than 50k over the remaining years of your career

    It’s a long winded example but it’s based on the point that just saying I want to stay for more money today doesn’t mean you do better financially – it means you do better financially for the next two years and bring far greater risk of doing worse after – unless you’re a player with great star name or appeal who can pull it off. Mustafi and el neny cannot

  44. Sid

    Dream10August 23, 2019 16:50:55
    LenoSokratis Luiz Monreal
    AMN Guendouzi Xhaka Kolasinac
    Mkhi/Ceballos Lacazette Aubameyang

    If he does this I will start taking tick tock seriously

  45. jwl

    Chris – I would love someone tell us what the supposedly workaholic Wenger did on a daily basis.

    Didn’t due tactics/strategy during training, didn’t plan ahead to decide which players to buy during summer to improve squad.

    I am mostly convinced Wenger spent last five or six seasons playing a lot of football manager on computer where his cockamamie ideas would still work.

  46. China1

    Also if mustafi ever had a hope of being a used player for Germany ever again he will likely have basically forced himself into international retirement if he sits out two years whilst the pipeline of younger better and hungrier players continues to work

    Bang goes your chance of World Cup and euros etc

    I don’t think it’s that hard to sell players on why they should leave, the benefits of leaving are clearly substantial

  47. Pierre

    Nice to see Ceballos have a couple of assists and put in a quality performance.

    Has to be said that the 2 “assists ” of Ceballos were exactly the type of assists that many on here never regarded as assists

    imagine if ozil had put a “meaningless” cross into the box for Lacazette to control the ball under pressure and slip the ball through the leepers legs….. or if he had accidently toe poked the ball to Aubalmayang 50 yards from goal whilst making a tackle , who then had to travel with the ball ,beat a defender and rifle a 20 yarder in into the corner of the net.

    Personally, I regard these as assists but its laughable how the perception has changed in what constitutes an assist compared to the last few years…

    And yes, I know Ozil only had a few assists last season .

  48. Words on a Blog

    GoH,

    I’m getting slightly disconcerted by the positive tone of your recent posts….hope everything is ok?

  49. Guns of Hackney

    China

    Honestly, I don’t think players have any scruples anymore. Cash is king and these players are multi millionaires many times over. I doubt they care about kicking a ball around in Burnley

  50. Gentlebris

    ‘Klopp: “Arsenal will make, I think, two changes? They will bring in Pepe, which will not make them weaker, and Xhaka. Good team, real pace, wow! But I look forward to these games.” #LFC’

    This is where Klopp says it all:
    ‘Pepe,(WHICH WILL NOT MAKE THEM WEAKER, and XHAKA(WHICH WILL MAKE THEM WEAKER?)

  51. Un na naai

    Receding HairlineAugust 23, 2019 17:12:48
    Liverpool finished 7th in 2012/2013 on 61 points, not really the same animal we are up against tomorrow. Even Cazorla would not “dance around” them at Anfield in 2019.

    Rh

    Come off it!!! Santi was a quality player, more than capable of running rings around this Liverpool midfield in his prime. He did it against city. Why not Liverpool? They are hardly defensive masterminds. You been watching them lately? Their high line is causing them all sorts of grief

  52. China1

    I’d even hazard a guess that Ceballos completed as many meaningful defensive actions or more in his first match than ozil did in the entirety of his season last year up until Christmas

    It’s hard for ozil to get credit for ‘tackle assists’ if he doesn’t tackle. Even harder to get such credit if he doesn’t get any assists all season. Even HARDER to credit ozil for tackle assists when you can’t even see him on the pitch and impossible to credit him for them when you realize he’s pretending to be sick so he can play fortnight

    But there you go.

  53. Pierre

    China
    You seem quite intelligent so I imagine your comment of” how many tackles did ozil make last season” was you being deliberately stupid…

  54. Guns of Hackney

    “I think a lot of revising has been going on about Santi of late, that is all i will say on the subject”

    This

  55. Gentlebris

    ‘Ceballos has a lot to live up to, dancing about at home against Burnley isn’t the acid test.’

    Dancing about?

    If that was dancing then I wonder what footballing is.

  56. China1

    Receding likewise. I’ve raved about his entire performance from start to finish tho his tenacity for the second goal was great

    Actually Pierre I am quite curious. Is there an available stat on how many defensive actions ozil completed last year?

    Please don’t tell me he doesn’t have to do it because he doesn’t want to. If he doesn’t Ceballos doesn’t…yet Dani does it anyway… *x-files music plays*

  57. China1

    And Pierre your trolling is boring already, but you know full well that the reason why ozil doesn’t get a standing ovation for a simple pass to laca is that’s usually the bulk of what he’s actually contributed in the 90 minutes he’s played, whereas most players who get an assists also contribute an awful lot more over the course of 90 minutes

    But you know that and have already admitted you come here to troll people. As you were.

  58. Champagne charlie

    “I think a lot of revising has been going on about Santi of late, that is all i will say on the subject“

    Cazorla’s debut season for us in the PL alone he scored 12 and assisted 11, that was on top of the technical superiority people wax lyrical about now. Oh and our top goal scorer that year was Theo with 14, so he didn’t exactly have the talent we do now to support him.

    Apparently Ceballos has a different take on Cazorla too:
    “I think Santi Cazorla played some amazing football here and Cesc was the captain for a long time.” Ceballos added: “I think Cazorla is one of Spain’s best midfielders. I’d love to play with him one day – although that would be tricky because there’s a big age difference between us.”

    But some revising has been done of late has it?

  59. Words on a Blog

    Receding/GoH,

    Revisionism?

    Santi was one of the few true joys of the late Wenger era.

    Beautiful to watch, beautiful person.

  60. Receding Hairline

    “Dancing about?If that was dancing then I wonder what footballing is”

    Yes i actually found the dancing about bit weird too, like someone still isn’t pleased the kid had a good home debut, he was named in almost all teams of the week, didn’t know it was for dancing

    But you all know i don’t like to argue

  61. Gentlebris

    ‘China
    You seem quite intelligent so I imagine your comment of” how many tackles did ozil make last season” was you being deliberately stupid…’

    So asking to number Ozil’s tackles is stupid?

    So what would you call it if I asked you to number his headers?

    Can’t tackle, can’t contest for heading, pockets £18m a year playing football…..Like a top top pro driver who can’t reverse a car!

  62. Pierre

    China
    it’s very obvious what the point was that I was making …

    I will leave you to your tackle stats , though I’m sure I could quite easily show you that Ceballos has made one tackle per game in the 2 games hes been involved in.

    Really Not bothered about how many tackles he makes, if he makes one tackle per game for the rest of the season and puts in commanding performances like the weekend …that’ll do for me.

  63. Champagne charlie

    Jesus Christ, ‘dancing about’ is a reference to his play style and creative nature, have you never heard of a player dancing past a challenge?

    What I mean is pretty obvious, turning it on at home against Burnley isn’t the test.

  64. Gentlebris

    ‘I will leave you to your tackle stats , though I’m sure I could quite easily show you that Ceballos has made one tackle per game in the 2 games hes been involved in.’

    Ozil would be fine if he made one tackle in five games.

  65. Champagne charlie

    “Yes it has, i thought my post was clear“

    Clearly lacking any detail, just abstract bitchy comments against the usual names.

  66. Gentlebris

    ‘What I mean is pretty obvious, turning it on at home against Burnley isn’t the test.’

    You are a weak dick.

    Did you have to lie?

    Go check the context of your comment again and try to convince yourself that you were praising his dribbling skills again Burnley.

  67. Dream10

    Hope Ceballos can get to Özil’s peak level.
    We’ll have a player on our hands.

    Ceballos has a good energy off the ball.
    He might look like a headless chicken at times. Having young CMs behind in Willock and Guendouzi will expose mistakes that he makes. Wonder if Emery will revert to Xhaka and Torreira in certain matches.

    Seems it’s Xhaka/Guendouzi/Torreira/Joe
    for two CM slots.

  68. Gentlebris

    ‘I’d even hazard a guess that Ceballos completed as many meaningful defensive actions or more in his first match than ozil did in the entirety of his season last year up until Christmas’

    What’s sad is that I don’t see any exaggeration in that.
    Sad.

  69. Dream10

    Arsenal still looking for over 20m for Mustafi. Going have to lower that valuation. Roma going cold on their interest in Rugani. Mustafi loan with an option to buy to the Italian capital. Should be doable.

  70. Graham62

    D10

    “Ozil’s peak level”

    When was that exactly?

    Oh yeh, almost forgot, Leicester at home last season.

    Silly me.

  71. Gentlebris

    ‘Hope Ceballos can get to Özil’s peak level.
    We’ll have a player on our hands.Ceballos has a good energy off the ball.
    He might look like a headless chicken at times. Having young CMs behind in Willock and Guendouzi will expose mistakes that he makes. Wonder if Emery will revert to Xhaka and Torreira in certain matches. Seems it’s Xhaka/Guendouzi/Torreira/Joe
    for two CM slots.’

    Ozil was never a dribbler or an off the ball worker so I think it’s safer to gauge Ceballos alongside Santi.

    Torreira and Willock should be the prem pair this season, Guen backing them; Xhaka earning his millions in cup games.

  72. Dream10

    Holding and future superstars Saka, Smiff Rowe and Balogun starting for the Under 23s.

    Ornstein on the BBC did say that the club have big hopes for Holding. Don’t see him as a bonafide starting CB for a consistently solid 85+ points team. Good interviews by the Oracle this week. However, Josh Kroenke is lelling the fans what they want to hear.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Gentlecuck

    “Ceballos has a lot to live up to, dancing about at home against Burnley isn’t the acid test. Our last win at Anfield? 2012 I think, when we won 2-0. Cazorla opening the scoring in his debut campaign. That’s the level.”

    And a whole 7 minutes later for more context….

    “Takes a special player to rise to a game there, period. Arshavin, Santi, Ceballos drops another performance like last week and he takes a massive step towards proving his level.”

    Let’s just go crazy and assume I know what I mean more than you eh…

  74. Graham62

    Ceballos doesn’t need to aspire to the modern day levels of Mesut Ozil.

    Having seen him over the past couple of weeks, his levels are far higher.

  75. Dream10

    Gentlebris

    Big call for Emery tmrw. Xhaka (if healthy) is a certainty to start. Two of Guendouzi, Willock, Ceballos will be on the bench imo.
    Think he’ll keep Torreira on the bench

  76. Ghana

    Mustafi and Elneny are clowns. Mustafi would leave but Elneny will stay and wait until he is released.

    Elneny is a nothing player.

  77. Gentlebris

    Dream,

    Emery will eventually lose his job if continues to play Xhaka.
    I can’t even understand why Mustafi gets the treatment and Xhaka is spared. They both contribute to the defensive failures of the team in equal measures.

    CC,

    Twist it much as you like, you lied and you know it, but that is fun to you obviously.

    When you say a footballer is dancing around it means you think he moves around aimlessly and have neither purpose nor achievement resulting from his dribbling and game, and that needs no genius interpretation as it’s an expression that’s been used millions of times by the football public.
    However ‘dancing past them’ is another expression that means you are praising the ‘dancer’.
    Or maybe you are stupid and don’t know the difference.

  78. Champagne charlie

    Gentlecuck

    That’s it, double down on your ignorant take despite the post above showing you up for your ridiculous bias.

    According to you I disregarded Ceballos’ performance, and then said moments later if he repeats that same performance against Liverpool he’ll have taken a massive step to proving his level.

    This from a guy that calls me stupid. Drink that in.

  79. Gentlebris

    Then maybe you need some head shrinking CC as their might be a riot going on up there, as I can’t see how you bring those two comments under same umbrella.

  80. Valentin

    When was Tierney supposed to be available for the first team ? Did he has a setback, because I thought that the initial diagnostic was 6~8 weeks of unavailability.
    Some journalists on twitter are now reporting that Tierney will start full training in October at the earliest so assuming two weeks to be ready that mid to end of October before Tierney is ready for first team regular action.

  81. Champagne charlie

    Gentlecuck

    Really easy, the subject was Anfield being a test of a player more than Burnley at home. Both comments allude to exactly that, it’s just you and dickhead have latched onto meaningless terms and tried to paint it as something else entirely.

    Now, instead of owning the fact your initial assertion was wrong, you’ve doubled down and called me a liar, a dick, stupid et al. Quite the big boy you are.

  82. Valentin

    Gentlebris,

    Maybe I am wrong, but I think you misunderstood CC initial comment.

    “Ceballos has a lot to live up to, dancing about at home against Burnley isn’t the acid test. Our last win at Anfield? 2012 I think, when we won 2-0. Cazorla opening the scoring in his debut campaign. That’s the level.”

    Clearly if dancing about was an intended as an insult, then it can’t be an acid test.
    I understood that sentence as dropping a great performance at home against Burnley is not the acid test. Dropping one that help Arsenal winning at Anfield is the real proof of a good player.

  83. Marko

    Personally, I regard these as assists but its laughable how the perception has changed in what constitutes an assist compared to the last few years…

    An assist is an assist you imbecile it’s that simple. I think you might be confusing yourself with those chances created that you always brought up

  84. Receding Hairline

    Valentin a footballer dancing about on the pitch has never been a compliment.

    Gentle knows what he is saying.

    He is now called Gentlecuck by the guy whose currency is name calling and twisting himself in circles after getting caught out

  85. Valentin

    It is supposed to be the blog of love.
    It would be nice for a change if people could disagree without immediately insulting somebody as dickhead, imbecile and others.

    The tag line of Pedro was about having an opinion not being spoon fed one, so people should be able to accept diverging opinion without the need to attack any dissenting voice.

  86. Un na naai

    When you say a footballer is dancing around it means you think he moves around aimlessly and have neither purpose nor achievement resulting from his dribbling and game, and that needs no genius interpretation as it’s an expression that’s been used millions of times by the football public.

    Gentle Bris

    No it doesn’t. Maybe is brisso. Not here. Here it means dancing on the ball or past tackles with grace and poise. Like Henry and Ronaldo used to in their heyday.

  87. Valentin

    Receding,

    Context is everything. In that sentence , clearly dancing was not intended as an insult. The rest of the comment made that clear as well.

    It is like people are focusing on a minute details of what was written to start an argument without looking at the entirety of what was said.

    In a previous comment, somebody said Ceballos did pirouettes. Dancing and pirouettes are pretty similar. Are you arguing that he intended to downplay Ceballos play, because as far as I understood the comment it was intended as a compliment.

  88. Marko

    I agree Valentin names like imbecile and cuck have no place on this blog. Pierre I apologise for calling you an imbecile. Did you hear that you little prick I’m sorry.

    I still reserve the right to call a liar a liar though

  89. Champagne charlie

    “He is now called Gentlecuck by the guy whose currency is name calling and twisting himself in circles after getting caught out“

    He’s called such after calling me a dick for explaining what I meant after initially questioning it. Act a prick and get called one, that’s why you’re dickhead.

    You and Gentlecuck are a right pair of wizards.

    I apparently belittled Ceballos’ performance and in my next comment claimed if he dropped the same performance against Liverpool that he’d be on his way to cementing his perceived level. Yea, that makes all kinds of sense.

  90. Nelson

    I like the swagger that Ceballos has shown when he has the ball. During last game at one time he carried the ball inside the box surrounded by three defenders, he stopped and put his foot on top of the ball as if he was challenging everyone who dared to tackle him.

  91. Champagne charlie

    “No it doesn’t. Maybe is brisso. Not here. Here it means dancing on the ball or past tackles with grace and poise. Like Henry and Ronaldo used to in their heyday.“

    Apparently there’s a huge difference between “dancing about” and “dancing past”, which is news to me. Here I thought it just appears a paper thin excuse to claim offence, or opportunity to sling mud.

    Literally just made the point that the acid test is Anfield, and if Ceballos wants to be among the Arshavins and Cazorla’s then we need to see the same performance against those sides, at their place.

    The fact its being spun into anything else is mind numbing. Them agenda’s ehh…

  92. Marko

    To be fair I do actually agree with the initial Cazorla comment. Great player that he was for us but he should have been gone after that 2015 season. The writing was on the wall he was on the wane and his fitness and dependability was gone. But under Arsene we were a bit of a country club for the ill and the broken there for a good few years

  93. Valentin

    To me assists are bad stats indicator.

    For most the assist is the last pass before the goal, but that does not indicate whether the pass was key to the movement. It does not even indicate whether it was a good pass. In some case an aimless clearance can become an assist.

    Remember Michael Owen goal against Argentina, I don’t think that anybody should be able to claim an assist on that goal.
    Same thing with some of Henry solo goals.

    For example sometimes the pass arrives at a striker who score when in fact the dummy made the difference.

    Personally I would appreciate if they introduced the key action leading to goal as a stat. They do it in some leagues.

    People laughed at Wenger when he mentioned that Hleb had a lot of pre-assists. But I remember a game that Hleb had bossed. He had made 3 splitting passes that released a player who was then able to cross for somebody else to tap in. None of his good work could be validated with the existing metrics.

  94. Graham62

    I think we can all agree that when the Arshavins and Cazorlas strutted their stuff, Liverpool were not quite the side they are now.

    Just saying.

  95. Champagne charlie

    Valentin

    Agreed. The assist tally, same with goals, can not always tell the whole story. But it gives a good indication.

    I’ve always argued the fluidity of assists when you consider that to get an assist you’re reliant on a teammate finishing, ergo a creative player could make 5 fantastic passes/moves creating a good chance but none get finished. Or just as easy a player could make one OK chance and their striker score.

    Who is the better creator on those grounds? I guess that’s where the subcategories come into it, chances, big chances, god knows what else.

  96. Champagne charlie

    Graham

    Just say that all you wish, Anfield has never been a good place for Arsenal irrespective of where Liverpool have finished in the league. It’s our bogey ground, to put it mildly.

  97. Gentlebris

    ‘No it doesn’t. Maybe is brisso. Not here. Here it means dancing on the ball or past tackles with grace and poise. Like Henry and Ronaldo used to in their heyday.’

    ‘Dancing around’ is what the fella said, like you tell your staff: fetch me the file and stop dancing around.
    He didn’t say dancing on the ball , which could easily have meant dancing past players, which as I said earlier means praising a dribbler. Then check his context again and you will see the stupido was actually being heavy on the guy.

    And what’s all this nonsense about brisso? I don’t remember stating my nationality here.

  98. Un na naai

    If we had more Cazorlas and less ozils and Mkhitaryans we’d have been a lot better off
    Santi was a lot more effective than both

  99. Valentin

    Dream10,

    You are right.
    A lot of the goals scored on cut back from Kolasinac or Monreal were due to whoever made the passes to release the left fullback, left wingback into space. Quite often it was Iwobi.
    In most cases, the cutback was not the key action, but still it got Kola and Monreal assists.

  100. Guns of Hackney

    Stop with the mutual winkle sucking on Ceballos. He is not our player and will likely, remain so. If this piece of shit does well for us, Real won’t sell and if they do, he might cost us £80+m.

    Calm down. He’ll probably get injured against Liverpool along with Pepe jeans.

    We will beat the scouse kants…but we will lose two players. Mystic GOH has predicted.

  101. Marko

    If you’re a striker goals are all that matters. A number 10 it’s assists. A CB and a keeper it’s clean sheets. Sure there’s other factors to be considered when evaluating the player as a whole but without those key factors he’s just not that effective and if you’re ineffective as a footballer then you’re just Ozil.

  102. Gentlebris

    Valentin;

    Do you remember the last time CC said anything positive about anything or anyone?
    That alone brings his statement to negative light.

    And I still insist, you don’t compliment a footballer by saying he dances around.

  103. Dream10

    Santi had great stats in his first season. 12 goals and 11 assists I believe. However, in February or March of his first season, we went to White Hart Line. He and the Wilsh were overrun by the Spuds. We lost and were ten points behind the Spuds for the last CL spot. iirc Wenger then started an Arteta and Ramsey double pivot and then we went on a great run to get a CL spot. Next season in 13-14 we had Ramsey and Arteta at the base with Özil at the #10. Cazorla was sharing wide duties with Podolski. We were top of the league until Ramsey was injured at Christmas.

  104. Champagne charlie

    “Ceballos has a lot to live up to, dancing about at home against Burnley isn’t the acid test. Our last win at Anfield? 2012 I think, when we won 2-0. Cazorla opening the scoring in his debut campaign. That’s the level.”

    Reaffirming what I mean in relation to Anfield (where we fucking play next)…

    “Anfield has been a graveyard for us for years and they’ve been up and down in terms of overall league position. Takes a special player to rise to a game there, period. Arshavin, Santi, Ceballos drops another performance like last week and he takes a massive step towards proving his level.”

    Explaining when quizzed on “dancing about”…

    “Jesus Christ, ‘dancing about’ is a reference to his play style and creative nature, have you never heard of a player dancing past a challenge? What I mean is pretty obvious, turning it on at home against Burnley isn’t the test.”

    But Gentlecuck has his own view on what I ‘really meant’ so he’s going to run with that and ignore everything else. That’s what happens when you’ve absolutely no shame and refuse to acknowledge half-baked assertions.

    Could’ve just as easily asked what I meant by “dancing about” if he was unsure, but nah, he’ll tell me what meant and deny anything else. Another legend of the internet is born.

  105. Champagne charlie

    “Do you remember the last time CC said anything positive about anything or anyone?
    That alone brings his statement to negative light.”

    Bingo, personal bias rises to the top. We got there in the end, case closed.

  106. Gentlebris

    ‘I apparently belittled Ceballos’ performance and in my next comment claimed if he dropped the same performance against Liverpool that he’d be on his way to cementing his perceived level. Yea, that makes all kinds of sense.’

    Maybe it came to you soon as you dropped the first comment that you were being stupid, and on came another comment to take it all back.
    You do it all the time here you know, twisting shits you have said or finding dirty methods to take it back.

  107. Champagne charlie

    “If we had more Cazorlas and less ozils and Mkhitaryans we’d have been a lot better off. Santi was a lot more effective than both”

    I love peak Ozil, but buying him after Santi’s debut season pulling the strings was unbearably short-sighted. We needed Benzema or even Di Maria, we had the Santi dancing about behind the strikers to great effect yet he got shoved wide/deep for Mesut *sigh*.

  108. Marko

    Tomorrow isn’t the “acid test” for Ceballos don’t be absurd. He wouldn’t be the only away player to go there and possibly struggle. The fact that you could only name two players says it all.

    Also Arshavin wasn’t even great that game it was so fucking one sided and we somehow managed to score 4 goals and come away with a point. Total fluke game