Josh K making moves on your heart

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The good news just keeps on rolling, I am literally oiling myself in excitement this season.

Cannot wait to lose at the weekend and get back to a hateful perspective on life.

Freddie Ljungberg has kept us all guessing on the touchline this season.

Who is he?

Why is he there?

What is he thinking?

Does he still wear CK?

The big question for me is how the hell he managed to convince Bouldy to swap jobs… BUT, it happened and the bench is looking very exciting because it’s a touch different this year.

Then the main man Joe Willock drops this to the press:

“Every day I’m working with him & learning from him. He’s improved my whole overall game. If I’m being specific, getting in the pockets when I’m playing No 10 & attacking at No 8. He showed me a lot of different tactics to get space & turn to attack teams”

SHOOT IT UNDER MY TOE NAILS.

It gets better…

“Freddie is not only such a legend at the club. He’s an unbelievable manager & coach. He’s a mentor for me. He showed me a lot behind the scenes that people don’t really know about”

Like three g’s of fentanyl under my gums…

I love that Freddie is making an impact on the young players coming through. He’s relevant, he’s a winner and he seems extremely personable. That’s going to be a huge help for Emery this season. I can’t remember which young player said it, but I read that the Spaniard has outsourced comms to the Swede. In the world of power stratagems, that move feels risky, but at least someone is giving them clear instructions.

I would love to have the inside line on why that move happened… I like it regardless.

In other news, David Ornstein dropped an elbow on the internet, securing a superb exclusive with Josh K. The heir to many shares spoke about the club in an impressive manner for the second time in a month and the messages were clear.

My takeaways:

  • KSE is taking Arsenal seriously
  • Josh is invested in galvanising the fans and he wants to win our trust
  • He takes a personal interest in Arsenal because ‘football’ is his number one love
  • We are going to be proactive in January

The interview is here, take a read if you haven’t.

There has been some sneering online about him, but you have to take him on his actions, not his words.

Since he’s been more seriously involved, we’ve sacked Wenger, hired Emery, hired and fired a Chief Scout, brought in a Technical Director, blown at the very least £120m, and we’ve increased our wage bill by a chunk.

You cannot criticise that.

You can dig out decisions, sure, and I have done exactly that. But opinions are like personal choice in milk, everyone’s got one… and not everyone chooses the elite flavorings of oat.

The club seems to be moving in the right direction. There’s still a lot of work to do, there are going to be tears along the way, but we are buying expensive players, blooding youth, and spending some f*cking money.

It’s all you can ask for… until you reset expectations and lead a protest, naked, covered in the blood of a slain lamb.

Until that moment comes, let’s see if Josh can continue to drive the club forward.

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  1. raptora

    It was predicted by many including myself that Henry will fail as a manager. I don’t even hold my breath for him to succeed because he is egocentric and the moment he does a job half well he’ll be considered for taking our club which I wouldn’t want to happen. I’d rather watch Arteta (and that says a lot) than Titi tbh. Then we have PV4, Ljungberg, Sol and co. They have the human qualities to succeed. Now if they were to become fantastic in their jobs, I’d have all the time in the world for them.

  2. Marko

    Denying Pochettino’s class as a manager is pure flat earth tactics.

    Not wanting to wade into the shit you and Receding got going on on a daily basis but don’t you completely dismiss one manager despite winning 10 trophies and yet here you are proclaiming the class of another despite winning zero trophies. Both 47. What gives?

  3. jwl

    That was good interview with Josh K, I just hope his stories about playing football when young and he wakes up early to watch matches are true and not bullsh*t to soothe gooners.

  4. Receding Hairline

    “Not wanting to wade into the shit you and Receding got going on on a daily basis but don’t you completely dismiss one manager despite winning 10 trophies and yet here you are proclaiming the class of another despite winning zero trophies. Both 47. What gives?”

    Pochettino has proven he can take a team from point A to point B (or whatever the nonsense), Let’s ignore the fact Spurs qualified for the Champions league twice under Harry and reached the quarter finals. But hey Pochettino is doing it on “lunch money” but Emery was spending boat loads at Valencia to finish top three thrice in a row.

  5. Dream10

    raptora

    Spot on regarding Thierry. I don’t think he’s the type to coach/manage a top level side. He’s an intelligent guy and very driven, but he can’t oversee a group. He’d make a great specialist coach though. Lukaku and Hazard love him for Belgium. He’s helped them in aspects of forward play. Not the first elite player who has struggled as a manager. Platini, Maradona did as well.

  6. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Not wanting to wade in, but in you wade? How very Marko of you.

    I’d give you time of day if you managed to provide an accurate account of my views and had genuine questions on hand. But that’s not the case, so let me go ahead and let you continue to ‘not wade’, but with someone else willing to give you oxygen.

  7. jwl

    “Both 47. What gives?”

    The grass is always greener elsewhere for a lot of people, Marko.

    Poch is way overrated, he’s won nothing important in his managerial career while Emery has won lots but apparently he failure because his lack of charisma.

    Arsenal were eccentric assembled squad when Emery arrived and he still was able to keep us in top four contention right till end of season, his first season was a success.

  8. Receding Hairline

    Unai Emery took Lorca Deportivo to the second division for the first time in their history, they were relegated back once he left.

    He guided Almeria to La Liga for the first time in their history finishing eight in their debit season in La Liga

    Then in the midst of serious financial troubles at Valencia he led them to three successive third place finishes

    But Champagne Charlie insists he has never led a club to new grounds before nor over achieved so it must be gospel

  9. jwl

    Dream 10 – surely all Arsenal supporters are big fans of TH14.

    I like your idea of making Henry specialist coach, I could see him being good at that, but not everyone has temperament to manage a large group of failure. I was disaster at managing people at my workplace, didn’t last six months and I asked for my old job back.

  10. Danny

    his first season was a success.
    ——————–
    If you mean by taking the club from 6th to 5th!!
    A Spurs supporting mate of mine wrote on facebook about what an amazing season Spurs had. I told him that Man C had an amazing season, Spurs had an ok one.

  11. raptora

    Emery’s 3 Europa League titles in a row absolutely eclipses anything that Poch has done so far in his career. Sevilla is probably even a smaller team than spuds, having won La Liga once and the Spanish cup 5 times in their history.

    Emery’s PSG time proves to be more successful than that of the LeGrove sweetheart Tuchel.

    People who claim that Poch and Tuchel with their nothing football but somehow they have a philosophy and Emery doesn’t. Mind you Poch’s style is a pain to watch. Pep is untouched at the top of the mountain but even Klopp managed to shape a decent football to spectate in just 3 years. Poch’s enforcers, heavily physical football is such a pain on the eye.

    Several people (looking at you Pierre and Valentin) keep banging on Emery not giving enough freedom to his creative players, and preferring workers to technicians. Well, he got Ceballos, Pepe and Luiz. Mind I say there is a lot of football in these three. He’s giving a chance to Willock and Nelson. Tell me how he prefers physical players again.

  12. Champagne charlie

    “But Champagne Charlie insists he has never led a club to new grounds before nor over achieved so it must be gospel“

    There it is, full Emery Pom Poms out after the digs at Poch in indirect defence of the man you love.

    Both great achievements, but neither provide any substance as to whether he’s capable of taking a club the size of Arsenal from 5th to title winners inside a modest period of time with a strategy he holds dear – which is actually the view I’ve stated time upon time. Not your bs version.

    So I’m clear, are we going to start revering managerial achievements in non-league football and talking that up as transferable to elite European football? Work at Almeria suggests Emery can do wonders at Arsenal? Seriously?

    Emery earned his berth at his next clubs for that work, nobody is arguing anything different. But up came the level and despite your waxing lyrical of his time at Valencia he finished no better than 3rd, and no closer than 19 or 21 points (I don’t recall) to the big two in Spain – Simeon’s did that inside 1 full season, and won the thing inside 3.

    Then at Sevilla he didn’t finish better than 5th, then at PSG he didn’t win the league which interrupted what? 6,7 on the bounce?

    So……based on that he’s limited to me, and won’t see us reach our ultimate goals of being PL champions.

  13. Marko

    Charles your ability to hold a train of thought or follow up on an opinion is quite something. It was a genuine question how come you’re totally dismissive of one 47 year old manager who’s won 10 trophies but at the same time out of the blue feel the need to talk up another 47 year old manager despite not winning anything. Can you explain that? It’s okay if you choose not to it wouldn’t surprise me if you avoided it

  14. jwl

    Danny – I think Emery first season was success because he improved on Wenger final season and things didn’t go tits up like they have at manure since Fergie retired. Final month of season was a disaster, I agree, and hopefully Emery has learned from experience.

  15. Champagne charlie

    “but at the same time out of the blue feel the need to talk up another 47 year old manager despite not winning anything. “

    Out the blue? Receding has talked about Poch all day and I make a comment stating Poch is class and I’m dropping his name out of the blue…

    Same as yesterday was it that I was obsessive about Emery despite simply quoting from a press conference Pedro had included in his daily piece?

    Champion you are. This is the reason you’re given no air, you’re a waste of it.

  16. Receding Hairline

    “Emery earned his berth at his next clubs for that work, nobody is arguing anything different. But up came the level and despite your waxing lyrical of his time at Valencia he finished no better than 3rd, and no closer than 19 or 21 points (I don’t recall) to the big two in Spain – Simeon’s did that inside 1 full season, and won the thing inside 3.”

    Have Valencia won the title since he left …No thought not. We are not discussing Simeone here, he is a level above Emery and two above Pochettino

    “Then at Sevilla he didn’t finish better than 5th, then at PSG he didn’t win the league which interrupted what? 6,7 on the bounce?”

    Have they finished higher than 5th before his arrival or after his departure?? Again NO….Glad the three successive European success is nothing compared to fourth place in the EPL

  17. Receding Hairline

    “Out the blue? Receding has talked about Poch all day and I make a comment stating Poch is class and I’m dropping his name out of the blue…”

    Topic today was Spurs and the praise they receive and the belief they are nailed on for third…not Pochettino

  18. HighburyLegend

    “This CG chap is the biggest bullshitter on this blog”

    Thanks a lot Archie, we didn’t know that fact.

  19. Leedsgunner

    Hopefully the Monaco experience will teach TH14 a measure of humility. It will make him not only a better coach but a better man.

    N’Golo Kante, should he wish to will become a top coach, you heard it here first! Apparently he is well loved by wherever he goes. During the WC 2018, despite being a key lynchpin of the winning side he shunned the limelight — giving credit to the team than drawing attention to himself.

    I love that.

    What a miss by Wenger. He is the player we should have signed rather than Xhaka for sure.

  20. Marko

    Out the blue? Receding has talked about Poch all day and I make a comment stating Poch is class and I’m dropping his name out of the blue…

    Yes out of the blue. He was in conversation with someone else you didn’t have to get involved but you did.

    Again another post made without any substance. Again it was a genuine question on my behalf either you’re incapable of answering said question or you’re such a weasel that you’d avoid answering any sort of question that makes you look like the agenda driven dickhead that you are… sorry I meant objective decent human being.

    It’s pretty simple why do you dismiss one trophy laden manager but rim the shithole of another who’s won nothing. Answer should be interesting probably something about oxygen

  21. Receding Hairline

    “Hairline,Got fired from your job, fella?”

    You seem to have an issue with poster posting on here, get a life!!

    Learn Italian and find a Juventus blog where the topic is Ramsey, stop shaming people for posting too much on an Arsenal blog. If you cannot construct more than a few sentences at a time others do not have that disability

  22. Champagne charlie

    “The kind of talk above we mocked Wenger for, but it’s Pochettino so it’s cool, he has sauce“

    Yea no mention of Poch at all by you, you were talking Spurs.

  23. chris

    Is the talk of philosophy in football management a bit too heavy and overboard for the most part? For example, could one say Rinus Michels had a philosophy, then Johann Cruyff and now Guardiola? These are ideas passed on through coach to player and so forth, tweaked as they go to suit modern times. Or is this what is known as a DNA in a football club?

    Perhaps too much emphasis is placed on this. I am happy to see Arsenal adapting and properly preparing for opponents under Emery, as this was not happening under Wenger. I would worry if Emery is still too focused on the basement boys of the league rather than our own play this season. If he is a tactical manager that wins us football matches and trophies I won’t worry so much if his ‘philosophy’ isn’t as easily identifiable.

  24. Receding Hairline

    ““The kind of talk above we mocked Wenger for, but it’s Pochettino so it’s cool, he has sauce“Yea no mention of Poch at all by you, you were talking Spurs.”

    Yea that one comment above took the whole day to write, it translates to talking about Pochettino the whole day..abeg shift

    So whenever the topic is Pochettino you jump in to extol his virtue, proper rim job.

  25. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Everyone gets your deep and thoughtful take, both Poch and Emery are 47 so they’re like, the same and that.

    Just like two 21 year old footballers are the same, and definitely not two different players with different ceilings to their ability. No, that would be madness. They’re both 21, so they’re the same.

  26. raptora

    I mean talking about Emery’s teams playing drab football and bringing Pochettino’s name to the party… Come on. It’s been done a million times. His record transfer is Ndombele. Other players he got for a lot of money include Sissoko for mind blowing 32m pounds, Janssen, Wanyama, Llorente, Alli, Dier. He’s started games with Wanyama, Dier and Alli, or Dier, Sissoko, Alli. Guy has an idea in his mind. And it’s not a pretty one.

    Of course I prefer to win than to play pretty football and lose. So I don’t mind whoever playing whatever football. But Poch’s style is nothing pretty. Like far from pretty. Far. Far. Far from pretty.

  27. Leedsgunner

    Emery treaded water in his first season. Brought in because of his Europa Cup know how and pedigree he bungled his way to the final. Than he completely blew it.

    However, the truth is we should have had 4th place wrapped up before we even got there. On paper, we had the easiest run of games with 8 games to go in the League and Emery shot himself in the foot by pathetically underestimating the likes Crystal Palace and Brighton.

    He has been given a reprieve by the Kronkes. I just hope he has learnt from his mistakes and we see real progress.

    Goodness knows we’ve waited long enough.

  28. Rambo Ramsey

    Only being sympathetic, hairless.

    Anyone that finds time/joy to post on this toxic env all day, everyday has serious problems.

    Just take a look at you and Charlize involved in a dick measuring contest, only its Poch and Emery’s dicks you are swinging. Its just LOL

  29. Receding Hairline

    “Just like two 21 year old footballers are the same, and definitely not two different players with different ceilings to their ability. No, that would be madness. They’re both 21, so they’re the same.”

    One of the lamest analogies ever and that’s saying something

    Both 47 year old managers yet one has peaked after 10 trophies while the other still has a higher ceiling to go on and win things (not just with Spurs, their history forbids it)

    There are five years apart in their coaching careers, Emery started 2004 at a lower level, Pochettino started 2009 in La Liga. One has already been offered two big jobs in his career, the others biggest job so far is Spurs and he is prettified at the prospect of leaving them

  30. Pierre

    Bob N16
    “Agree Ishola, last season was one of Spurs’s greatest season’s EVER. Ok so they finished 2nd back in 80’s once. 1961….black and white and all that. They barely ever have a better season/team than Arsenal let alone other sides that win the league.”

    During my time supporting The Arsenal, the period from 1960 Up until 1989 there was little difference between Arsenal and Tottenham.

    They did the double as we did , they won a European trophy as we did , they won some domestic cups as we did , they had decent sides and some pretty average sides as we did.

    It is the last 30 years that Arsenal have shown their superiority over Tottenham.

    First George Graham and particularly Arsene Wenger changed the perception of how fans look at the 2 clubs.

    How many years did Arsene Wenger go unbeaten against them , we were so vastly superior during his time as manager that some fans may believe it was always like that … it wasn’t

    During “the great ” pochetinno years Tottenham have one runners up in the league and one runners up in Europe, whilst Arsenal , during this period , have won 3 trophies , had a league runners up, a runner up in europe and league cup.

    Tottenham were on an equal footing as Arsenal for many years …their fan base was always as big as Arsenal’s …the arrival of Arsene Wenger changed that completely, his style of football and the quality of players he brought to the club and the trophies he won brought a new breed of fan to the club , a breed of fan who think they are entitled and were spoilt by the success and superb football that enticed them into supporting The Arsenal .

    Success comes in cycles , liverpool, Tottenham and now United fans appear to accept this unlike the entitled Arsenal fans.

  31. Receding Hairline

    “Only being sympathetic, hairless.Anyone that finds time/joy to post on this toxic env all day, everyday has serious problems.Just take a look at you and Charlize involved in a dick measuring contest, only its Poch and Emery’s dicks you are swinging. Its just LOL”

    Three whole paragraphs, nice, mummy should give you a biscuit

  32. Receding Hairline

    Lovely post Pierre although i disagree on the success bit for Spurs. They have not had any success recently. Walker was part of the Spurs team, he has won five trophies in two years of leaving, he has had success not Spurs.

    Posters on this blog who abused and mocked Arsenal fans for celebrating three FA Cups in four seasons now bending over backwards to praise Spurs for top four finishes should not be tolerated

  33. Rambo Ramsey

    Hah! Pocchettini has ceiling same way as Walcott did.

    18- He’ll be a world better.
    21- Just you wait, you’ll see
    24- It’ll happen, it’ll happen
    Now- Oh Everton is his level, oops

  34. Rambo Ramsey

    “Three whole paragraphs, nice, mummy should give you a biscuit”

    Mummy should kick you out of the basement and stop paying your bills.

  35. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    What Valencia, Sevilla, and PSG have done since Emery is of little relevance. The facts worth chewing over are very much the fruits of his labour whilst at the respective clubs. But to answer you, Sevilla finished 4th the season after Emery departed and had finished 7th. Valencia have finished 4th the last two seasons in a La Liga era that includes Simeone’s Atletico, where previously it was a two horse race. Your point?

    Did he take any of them from outsiders for the league to champions? No.

    Did he develop an identity he’s revered for? No.

    Wonder what Arsenal’s aspirations are post-Wenger…

    …if it’s to develop a modern identity and develop a strategy for winning the league then maybe it’s not quite out of the realms of sense to suggest Emery might not be up to such a task? Have doubts even?

  36. jwl

    Rambo Ramsey – I think many of frequent posters do have a life, they just bored at work and leaving comments here is distraction from drudgery of office work. There are one or two cranks but for most part, I would be quite happy to have a pint or three after work hours with most people here.

  37. Receding Hairline

    “…if it’s to develop a modern identity and develop a strategy for winning the league then maybe it’s not quite out of the realms of sense to suggest Emery might not be up to such a task? Have doubts even?”

    Would Pochettino be up the task???

  38. Pierre

    RH
    I was making the point that Tottenham have had no success compared to Arsenal’s so called poor recent period.

    Though I do rate pochettino as a manager for the work he has done at Tottenham.

  39. Rambo Ramsey

    jwl,

    Good man.

    ION, gotta laugh at Alexis. Shocking plummet he’s taken. Imagine having a worse output than lazy Ozy.

  40. chris

    Perfectly reasonable to have doubts over Emery, also totally fine to want to see how this season plays out. I do believe we will see improvement in performance and points.

    If not, I highly doubt he would receive a contract extension, given the apparent change of ambition and attitude in the club stemming from Josh Kroenke.

  41. Receding Hairline

    “Did he take any of them from outsiders for the league to champions? No.”

    Did Poch do this at any of his jobs??? NO

    “Did he develop an identity he’s revered for? No.”

    What identity is Pochettino revered for??

    The only thing Emery is revered for, one of the few men to win three European trophies in a row, you have done your very best to downplay. It’s apparently not good enough for Arsenal, Arsenal’s last European trophy?? 1994 (Cup winners Cup Abolished). Wenger’s last European trophy?? None

  42. Champagne charlie

    “Would Pochettino be up the task???“

    Pochettino has offered more at Spurs than Emery did at Valencia or Sevilla. On that basis he’d be a better option.

    In your world that’s “rimming” him. In normal people’s view it’s stating the fucking obvious. Were Emery and Poch out of work tomorrow I know who’d most likely land the big job.

    But of course you know better there too, what with you knowing Poch intimately enough to gauge that he’s “petrified of leaving them”.

  43. Receding Hairline

    “I think he would.”

    Based on what Pierre??? Tottenham have had the rub of the green, media love them, officials love them.

    IF he could not ride on that to lead them to a league triumph, what makes it possible he could do that for Arsenal??

  44. jwl

    Rambo Ramsey – I’ve been wondering what happened to Sanchez since he left for manure, he fell off a cliff performance wise. Sanchez was one of best players in England when at Arsenal but he been disaster since leaving. Sanchez worse than Ozil and manure is paying him more, it is cosmic justice.

  45. Receding Hairline

    “In your world that’s “rimming” him. In normal people’s view it’s stating the fucking obvious. Were Emery and Poch out of work tomorrow I know who’d most likely land the big job.”

    Emery has landed two big jobs back to back, what you know or think you know is irrelevant

  46. Champagne charlie

    “The only thing Emery is revered for, one of the few men to win three European trophies in a row, you have done your very best to downplay. It’s apparently not good enough for Arsenal, Arsenal’s last European trophy?“

    Another boring avenue you’re desperate to go down.

    Emery has had his kudos for that ‘achievement’. He’s also been met with some unavoidable questions about that particular hat trick. See if you can clear them up for all, namely:

    – If Sevilla were “thrice European champions level good”, why didn’t they finish better than 5th under Emery?

    – Why were they eliminated for the CL group stage each season to subsequently have a chance of defending their EL trophy?

    The EL itself has been talked to death on here and again, the sensible voices all seem to note one unwavering thing. It’s such a good trophy we never want Arsenal to compete for it again…

  47. jwl

    Poch is not top tier manager because he still at Spuds, underperforming. Top managers have record like Emery, improve team, get them punching above their weight, and then move on to bigger and better club. Poch, on other hand, is happy to stagnate at Spuds because that likely best squad he will ever manage.

  48. Receding Hairline

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7379145/Vincent-Kompany-overseen-Anderlechts-worst-start-21-years-Belgians-faith-him.html

    “Kompany’s philosophy has been heavily criticised by pundits, who believe he is too wedded to Guardiola’s vision”

    This was one of my concerns with Arteta, trying to implement another man’s idea does not always come off. Pep will always be Pep.

    I am watching Liepzig closely this season, Naglesmann is one i would love

    Funny enough i do not mind Pierre’s fascination with Daniel Farke, love what he has done at Norwich so far

  49. Luteo Guenreira

    Nice to see we’ve moved on from discussing footballing philosophy, glad we’re onto something much less aeriform in footballing identity.

    I rate Pochettino higher than Emery just based off what I have seen in the PL. But if it was a blind hire based off their entire CVs then you can’t really argue that anyone would hire Pochettino over Emery.

  50. Receding Hairline

    “– If Sevilla were “thrice European champions level good”, why didn’t they finish better than 5th under Emery?”

    I am sure Sevlla fans will sacrifice their three successive triumphs for one “top four” finish

    “– Why were they eliminated for the CL group stage each season to subsequently have a chance of defending their EL trophy?”

    Because they finished third in their group i would guess,

  51. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    Precisely. No substantial offerings to answer those questions, just Pom Pom waving ignorance about the three trophies. Peak superficial analysis you offer on here.

    Emery did a worldie to win three EL titles in a row, but we’ll all go really quiet when genuine questions are asked of domestic and European progression during that time. Good lad, bite down firmly on that tongue.

  52. Receding Hairline

    Luteo I have only one issue with Pochettino, he is being placed in the same bracket with managers he simply does not belong in

    Nor do i necessarily believe he is better than Emery, one of them has at least shown an appetite for risk and self improvement and that is not Pochettino

  53. Receding Hairline

    Champagne everything about you and your “offerings” lack substance

    86, 77, 71..those are not lottery numbers, that is Spurs points tally for the last three seasons, where is the progression in that?? You do realize this Emery who lacks everything needed in a coach was just a win away from finishing above progressive Pochettino is his very first season in a new league and took four points off him.

  54. karim

    Don’t know about Josh’s sincerity levels, all I know is that there’s still a reasonable job to do to unite Arsenal fans lol

    Good ebening ladies

  55. Gentlebris

    ‘What a miss by Wenger. He is the player we should have signed rather than Xhaka for sure.’

    Everytime Kante plays I don’t see Kante, it’s Wenger I see laughing at me.

  56. MGooner

    So Josh needs fans to continue paying for their tickets and buying merchandise.

    He spent some money so he could safeguard his future cash flows.

    Having said that, we bought Pepe on EMI… What was the net spend really?

  57. Pierre

    Winning trophies is sometimes about being in the right place at the right time .

    Pochettino I’m afraid is in the wrong place at the wrong time .

    He probably missed the boat the year Leicester won the league, he is now competing against city with pep and liverpool with Klopp who have had bundles of money to spend in comparison to poch and have built superb football teams..
    Pochettino may well have bagged a couple of titles if he had been around 30 years prior .

    I sometimes think it’s important to look at circumstances as to why a manager achieves success or not.

    Take Wenger for instance , he was in the right place at the right time, he arrived in 1996/7, a year after Bergkamp had got used to the prem .
    Wenger recognised that the defence and keeper could still do a job and brought in a couple of top quality players.

    Let’s not forget that in the 97/98 double season we were struggling after losing at home to Blackburn 3-1 , bookies had already paid out on United as title winners , that’s how far we were behind.

    So what happened , United took their foot off the gas , Wright was injured and Anelka came in and Overmars hit a purple patch ..little or no injuries and we stormed to the title ….it could easily have been so different

    circumstances.

    Move forward , and Wenger was in the wrong place at the wrong time. After the invicibles we looked like we would dominate and probably would have done if abramovic hadn’t come onto the scene and then of course City with their billions.

    Circumstances .

    Losing to Barcalona in the Champions league final in the last ten minutes , their first goal being offside ….it wouldn’t happen now with VAR would it .

    Circumstances.

    I feel it’s important to look at reasons why a manager has been a success( trophy wise) or not .

  58. Edd

    Receding, only a let minute Auba penalty miss denied the shit Coach taking six points off Poch and finishing above him last season.

  59. Bob N16

    Pierre, You have a point re.1960 to 89 but our ‘71 double shouldn’t be forgotten.

    If you really want to go back what about 1930s where Arsenal were the dominant team. How about the fact that Arsenal have been 100 years in the top flight, how do Spurs compare?

    2 league titles compared to our 13, 8 FA cups to our 13…..etc et

  60. Distant legrover

    Not trying to sound like Nostradamus here but I always thought it was weird that fans thought the Kroenkes didnt care much about Arsenal. It’s like buying a Lamborghini and never bothering to give it a wash.

  61. Valentin

    Kante said himself, Arsenal approached him first, but once Chelsea came in their offer blew Arsenal out of the water.
    In 2016, £150,000 per week basic was a big deal and that’s what he has been earning since he left Leicester.
    His newly negotiated contract (I am not sure whether he has finally signed it) was rumoured to be worth £350,000 per week (same than Özil). I love Kante and he deserved it more than Özil, but that’s crazy money.

  62. Pierre

    Raptora
    “Several people (looking at you Pierre and Valentin) keep banging on Emery not giving enough freedom to his creative players, and preferring workers to technicians. Well, he got Ceballos, Pepe and Luiz. Mind I say there is a lot of football in these three. ”

    I’m happy to be proved wrong.

    Let’s wait and see what happens if we have a couple of bad results.
    Last season we had a couple of draws v palace and wolves towards the end of our unbeaten run and , I think it’s fair to say , Emery panicked a little and changed systems and personnel.

    A manager earns his corn when things are not going quite so smoothly , that will be the time to judge Emery this season.

    Maybe , despite a couple of defeats, he will continue with youth in willock , Nelson and Guendouzi and the more creative players like Ceballos and Pepe.

  63. Northbanker

    Distant
    It was the complete lack of engagement as well as living in US with Stan that was the issue. No one knew if he cared or not

    Now that Josh is finding his businesss feet it finally is starting to look a different proposition

    Stan still doesn’t engage but it seems that Josh has complete authority to act for him

    Shame he doesn’t move to UK though

  64. Pierre

    Bob
    The fairs cup and 71 double season , I was there every step of the way …never forgotten ….embedded in my memory ..happy days.

  65. Distant legrover

    Is UEFA going to do something about this ridiculous idea of putting enormous transfer prizes on average/unproven players ? Still can’t believe Maguire had a €
    £80 million transfer clause. At this rate someone like Guendozi will be worth £300 million in 5 years.

  66. raptora

    Pierre:”he (Poch) is now competing against city with pep and liverpool with Klopp who have had bundles of money to spend in comparison to poch and have built superb football teams..”

    In the last 4 Transfer Windows Net money spend:

    Liverpool – £75m
    Spuds – £114m

    Going further back doesn’t make it much better.
    Spuds invested a ton of money this summer while pool spent £1.70m for some unknown guy…
    Things could massively change if they sell Ericksen and Alderweireld in the next couple of weeks. But as things stand…

  67. Distant legrover

    Northbanker

    I definitely think them being American has a lot to do with that thinking. I personally don’t find them living in the U.S an issue. It’s not like we live the 40s where travelling continental is quite difficult. My guess is they have a house somewhere in London where Josh and the rest stays when they visit. And I would imagine they visit quite often.
    The Glazers are American too right ? And even the Liverpool guys but that doesn’t stop them from spending money and being very involved with the club.

  68. Gentlebris

    ‘His newly negotiated contract (I am not sure whether he has finally signed it) was rumoured to be worth £350,000 per week (same than Özil). I love Kante and he deserved it more than Özil, but that’s crazy money.’

    I would pay Kante £350,000 p/w for his football and another £350,000 p/w for his personality.

  69. chris

    Pierre

    Nice memories of the 97-98 season. To add to what you said I think we benefitted from Roy Keane missing almost the whole season through injury. When United had their slump after February that year he may have been able to inspire and influence them out of it.

  70. Distant legrover

    The issue with Pocchettimo is that he’s not an innovator like the guys he’s been recently compared with. Guardiola, Klopp, Wenger are all football innovators which is why they all have these aura and legendary status.

    Poch is an adjuster and a follower, someone who waits for others to invent and create the ideas. Then he jumps on the idea and make it his own. That’s the difference between them and him. It’s also the issue I have with Emery. I feel he’s an adjuster too.

  71. Pierre

    Raptora
    Fair enough on liverpool net spend though the point I was making is that the competition is at its toughest to win the title whether it be poch, klopp or Emery.

    All 4 teams in the 2 European finals is confirmation of that.

  72. Bob N16

    As a 7yr old Pierre, my Grandad came over after the ‘72 Cup Final and said ‘wasn’t that a great game.’ With utter incredulity I responded ‘How can you say that was a great game, Arsenal lost!’

  73. Receding Hairline

    Pierre if Pochettino were to be at Arsenal now he would still be competing against Pep and Klopp, so I don’t get how you believe he can lead us to a premier league title. He has never led anyone to any title of any sorts.

  74. Valentin

    Raptora,

    Several people (looking at you Pierre and Valentin) keep banging on Emery not giving enough freedom to his creative players, and preferring workers to technicians.

    You seem to amalgamate people who have reservations on Emery together to make a point.
    I never mentioned creative players and Emery in the same sentence.
    We only had two creative players last season: Özil and Mhkitaryan. Mhkitaryan has been absolutely abysmal since his arrival. I have never advocated to play him.
    Regarding Özil, I have always stated that Özil can play under specific circumstances. But that if he can’t adapt then he should not start. However expecting Özil to suddenly completely change was irrealistic from Emery and he should take into consideration what he can bring to the team as well. Asking Özil to man mark Jorginho was a stupid move by Emery.

    My issue with Emery have mostly been with:
    + His stubborn decision to play a midfield of two central players one physically weak (Torreira) and another who panic under pressure (Xhaka) against 3 dominant central midfielders (Wolves, Watford, Everton, Leicester, Crystal Palace, Brighton, …). The fact that he suddenly switched to a more fluid 4-3-3 for the first two games has shown that he is learning.

    + The time he took him to overcome his blind spot toward some senior players. After a few games, it was obvious that Lichsteiner could not handle the pace and physicality of the premiership. Yet, it took until the middle of the season before he was permanently benched.

    + Emery continue refusal to make use of eager youngsters when clearly the senior players were not up to task anyway (Lichsteiner, Elneny, Mhkitaryan). I think that Willock performance so far have validated my point that he should have seen more game time last season. The fact Emery was overruled this season on Nkethia season loan also prove that management has decided that cancelling his loan to Augburg at the last moment was a mistake.

    + For somebody tactically astute and feverishly preparing tactic with video analysis he got his initial setup quite often wrong. The only game in which we lead at half time was Southampton, and we lost that one in the end. Also when initially his changes were moving things in the right direction, they became more and more erratic to the point where toward the tail end of the season they were detrimental to the team.

    + His disastrous decision to switch to man marking at corners toward the end of the aeason, when the only thing good defensive legacy from the Wenger era was the zonal marking at set pieces. Contrarily to popular belief, the previous 2 years Arsenal lead in the least amount of goals conceded at set pieces.

  75. Gentlebris

    Pogba Twitter mocking is gathering dust. ManU aim to find the guys involved and deal them one, but how do you find a guy who uses Twitter from Namibia even with the help of Twitter?

  76. Samesong

    but how do you find a guy who uses Twitter from Namibia even with the help of Twitter?

    IP address

    There’s some bad arse technology out there.

  77. Graham62

    After the 1972 Cup Final, I didn’t talk to my best friend for a week. We were both ten years old.

    He was a Leeds supporter.

    Omg! only 47 years ago.

  78. Pierre

    Bob
    Not one of the best was it , my record at watching Arsenal at Wembley was dire.

    Leeds 0-1 league cup
    Swindon 1-3 league cup
    Leeds 0-1 FA cup
    Ipswich 0-1 FA cup
    West Ham 0-1 FA cup.
    Luton 2-3. League cup.

    All losses..and people moan about the fact it was only Hull and Villa we beat in the final recently .

    Have seen us win there a few times though, strangely enough its normally against the better teams .
    Liverpool 71
    United ..79
    Newcastle. 98

  79. Unai's Dentist

    Had to check I was still reading an arsenal forum for a moment….. fcuk spuds.

    Ironically, Potch and Emerys seasons took very similar tragedies last season, both too their eyes off the league for the cups and both came up short. Difference was Emery was working at a slightly lower level.

    If we finish above Spuds this year, is Emery the better manager recent history considered?

  80. Bob N16

    Pierre, I’ve seen many wins but I’ve also seen Arsenal lose live the Fa Cup, League Cup, Cup Winners Cup, UEFA Cup, CL final. I didn’t go to Baku but I was in Madrid to see Arsenal lose the semi against Atletico. Ying/ yang

  81. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Hello gringos …
    Fulham are running riot…

    Spurs have signed the wrong sessogon …

    W3 should go for Steve sessagon

    Good player

  82. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Saw a sad paper article about jack…

    Don’t think he will play much .. West Ham will release him

    He’s lost it

  83. Leedsgunner

    Well done to Mr. Nketiah again.

    A Leedsgunner indeed, if there ever was one!!

    He scores when he wants…
    He scores when he wants…
    Eddie Nketiah,
    he scores when he wants…

  84. bennydevito

    Ebening Grovers,

    Great post Pedro, I’m very enthused by Josh’s words and hope we’ll be in for Upamecano in January. He’s putting the Kroenke’s necks on the block though that’s for sure and it gives me confidence we’re not too far away from challenging for the title again.

    Sad about Jack, but to think some on here were criticising Emery for letting Jack go.

    As for Poch he will end up leaving Spurs without a trophy and Emery will win one with Arsenal in the same amount of time Poch’s been at Spurs.

    Also, Emery will still be here in January 2020 but CG will not stick to his word and will still be here annoying us all.

    I’ll listen to the podcast later when everyone’s gone to sleep.

  85. Nelson

    Eddie must have learnt something from Auba. The way he always arrives at the right place to do those tap in are so Auba like.

  86. Gentlebris

    ‘IP address There’s some bad arse technology out there.’

    I know and that’s why I said Namibia, where a dude could throw his computer away if things turned hot and relocate to another village far removed from internet connectivity. Would IP still solve the problem? I’m not a tech person but it looks difficult.

  87. KAY Boss

    So today’s argument is about who stand as a better coach? Emery or Poch. Emery over Poch all day. Leave aside the biases. Emery has achieved what Poch only dreams of. Poch is good coach not great. Emery is a better coach neither great.
    Also I will prefer a coach who’s an adjuster than a philosophy person. Philosophy is often predictable and easily to outwitted.

  88. Valentin

    I doubt that most people sending racist Tweets are hiding behind a VPN. More likely to be on the phone which is eminently traceable.

    Moreover even if you hide behind specific country wide VPN, most of the time the Mac address of the relay router is a dead give away of the country of origin. Every police, security agency, cyber security companies have a table of Relay router Mac addresses and their country. That’s how people know that specific traffic comes from China, Iran, North Korea despite the best attempt at hiding it.

    Anyway if Twitter wanted, they could easily banned those people but they won’t. Twitter loves controversy as more controversy means more outraged tweets. More tweets means more advertising revenue. The moment they start banning common people for racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic and other bigoted tweets, then it is the end of their business model.

  89. RockyRoe

    Everyone gets your deep and thoughtful take, both Poch and Emery are 47 so they’re like, the same and that. Just like two 21 year old footballers are the same, and definitely not two different players with different ceilings to their ability. No, that would be madness. They’re both 21, so they’re the same.

    That’s just dumb.

    Using age to gauge achievement happens in every field as it is indicative of time.

    The conversation was about 2 managers and their respective achievements and hence ability over a period of time just like two 21 years old could be gauged if one was a first team starter and the other a U23 player.

    Sure when you are 21 you could improve rapidly, but that judgement could only be made once the improvement happens.

    In a nutshell you are talking outta your ass.

  90. Tony

    Neketiah wins game for Leeds coming on as a sub.

    I really like all the kids playing or waiting in the wings as Saka is.

    Obviously some are more ready than others (Willock), but all need game time in the 1st squad this season to prove themselves or add value to their potential sale values.

  91. Danialtos

    A spine of former golden boot winner Kane,vertonghen,lloris,alderweireild and eriksen and this so called world class manager has won f*ck all in a time which even f*cking Leicester have won the league lol 😂.We can all claim that pochettino is working under a ‘budget’ but thats a very strong side that should even be in league contention let alone a cup.Man,I didn’t have time for prime banter Wenger,but even he delivered some facups with the likes of sanogo and podolski in the team ffs.Why does this WC manager have nothing to show for it,and as I said last season,by the end of this season,will not have anything to show for it?

  92. Danialtos

    “Just like two 21 year old footballers are the same, and definitely not two different players with different ceilings to their ability. No, that would be madness. They’re both 21, so they’re the same.”

    Oh dear

  93. Danialtos

    …if it’s to develop a modern identity and develop a strategy for winning the league then maybe it’s not quite out of the realms of sense to suggest Emery might not be up to such a task? Have doubts even?

    Of course world class pochettino has this,no?

  94. Danialtos

    PierreAugust 21, 2019 18:35:59
    Winning trophies is sometimes about being in the right place at the right time .

    Pierre it’s good you are talking about circumstances as we’re it not for auba missing his penalty,the shit Emery would have taken 6 points off world class poch and maybe things end differemtly

  95. Bojangles

    Danialtos

    Agreed. Last season positioning for us can be boiled down to a single penalty, providing the rest of the games play out as they did. He scores we possibly finish 3rd, definitely 4th. He missed we finished 5th.

    Tony

    They are only in contention, as are every other Arsenal player.

  96. China1

    Good ebening doesn’t refer to any particular time of day and can be used universally

    Good ebening is probably the only thing that all arsenal fans can unite around regardless of race, gender, age, political affiliation and number of ozil posters etc.

    Good ebening is not a greeting. It’s a spiritual movement. It transcends life itself.

    Emery may have started good ebening but it will remain long after all of us have departed from this lonely Little Rock we call planet Earth…

  97. Graham62

    Pierre yesterday was on about “circumstances”.

    You do realise that circumstances can change based on outcomes of games.

    Who’s to say IF Arsenal has beaten Brighton they wouldn’t have beaten Burnley.

    Burnley would probably have been up for the game instead of being flat or on the beach somewhere.

    On top of this, who’s to say Spuds wouldn’t have beaten Everton in their final game instead of drawing 2-2.

    Players react differently to circumstances put infront of them.

    If only doesn’t work with me, although, I would like to point out, if Mr Wenger had left a few years earlier, we would probably be in a much better place by now.

    Forget it.

  98. Bojangles

    Graham

    Not sure if you comments were directed at me. If they were… I did state “providing the rest of the games play out as they did.”

  99. Graham62

    If only DB10 had scored that penalty in 99. No treble for MU and they’d have probably lost to BM.

    If only Henry had scored early on against Barca or added a second when clean through. We would have been Champions of Europe and Messi and Ronaldo would have found us more appealing.

    If only, if only, if only.

  100. Pierre

    Graham
    “You do realise that circumstances can change based on outcomes of games.”

    You conveniently missed my point, which was circumstances can determine whether a manager can be deemed a success or not and being in the right place/club at the right time.

    You are deliberately acting the idiot now (nothing new there)

    Was nothing to do with ,as you said

    “circumstances can change based on outcomes of games. Who’s to say IF Arsenal has beaten Brighton they wouldn’t have beaten Burnley.”

    Of course circumstances can change based on the outcome of games.
    any idiot knows that.( or should know that)

    My comment was more to do with Wenger and Pochettino arriving at their respective clubs and the players they had at their disposal, the level of competition faced at that particular time .

    Taking this into consideration , the possibility of success when they arrived at their clubs would be greater under Wenger than Pochettino.

    You could say the same with klopp, in any other period liverpool would be league champions with the team he has put together, will he be deemed a failure for not winning the league due to City’s dominance.

  101. peanuts&monkeys

    “If you play Sok/Luiz/Monreal and AMN as a back 4 against the CL finalists- don’t expect anything than utter carnage.”

    Can’t wish away what CG is saying. But what’s best we can do in this situ? Monreal is the weakest link. Do we replace him with Kolasinac? Won’t work.

    3 + 4 + 1 + 2 would be best. Start with our best 4 MFs : Torreira, Ceballos, Willock and Chambers (Fulham role).

  102. Chitom

    It’s absolutely hilarious seeing posters tying themselves in knots trying to explain the “world class” Poch in his fifth season with a squad valued at about £200m ( transfermarkt)more ,finishing one point higher than the “loser” Emery in his first season in charge of a bunch of Wenger misfits.

    One badly taken pen away from sweeping league points from the genius Poch too.

    If City had done to Arsenal what they did to Spurs over the weekend
    ( absolutely destroyed them on the balance of play), Emery would’ve been crucified.

    Spurs and Poch have been lucky with ref decisions more than most ( Arsenal five yellow cards in two games to Spurs one) and the league, media and even an Arsenal blog’s love-in would be too funny if it weren’t so fcuking nauseating.

    A line from Ricky Gervais’ special comes to mind to describe some of the posters reasoning on here.
    “ remove the ‘don’t drink’ label from bleach bottles for two years , and then have the Poch is a world class manager debate again” – to paraphrase his take on Brexit vote.

  103. China1

    Lol I’ve no respect for all this fuss being made about Sudanese this summer

    He’s being made out a massive victim of incredibly difficult circumstances because the club failed to sign Pogba

    Get a fucking grip. They’ve already got a really strong team and have pumped in another 200m of top class players he wanted. This is the most first world drama in football ever I swear

    I have huge respect for the unbelievable achievements he made in the CL a couple of years back. Well time to put your elite coaching hat on again and get this squad to perform like an elite team… which it is…

    Seriously what a joke. Ask any other manager in the world if they could accept managing a squad that strong and I am not sure anyone apart from perhaps pep could say no.

    Get a grip…

  104. China1

    Poch is a very good manager but what is a joke is that he is awesome and emery is terrible according to some on here

    Emery has achieved much more than Poch…

    How about Poch win some actual trophies? Emery has how many to his name? As for it being easy to win with PSG, maybe. But PSG didn’t come knocking for Poch did they? They went for a manager who had won 3 ELs in a row with an unremarkable squad.

    Poch’s Recent achievements are the same shit wenger got rightly crucified for years back. Coming top 4 is not a trophy. Neither is making it to a CL final (though it is a very impressive one off achievement). And you can say arse am are a much bigger club than spurs – sure – but poch’s Recent squads have been comparable and in some cases better than some of the top 4 trophy squads wenger was crucified for under achieving with. At least we qualified for the CL and won some FA cups in recent years. Spurs can’t even do that with a better squad than we had a few years back

    But anyway, Poch is a good manager but his reputation will forever be overblown until he starts to deliver some silverware. You can’t thibk Poch is fabulous and emery sucks when we almost finished above them over 38 games with a much worse squad last year

  105. China1

    Poch’s Teams share the same flaw as many of wengers old teams did. They’re bottlers when it counts

    We literally handed them top 4 last season otherwise we should’ve finished above them (blame emery fairly for that). But every other season they’ve come close to winning anything they’ve bottled it at the end. Even some of wengers shittest arsenal teams finished above them because of the annual spurs bottle job (like when Leicester won the league)

    No excuses

  106. Receding Hairline

    “But anyway, Poch is a good manager but his reputation will forever be overblown until he starts to deliver some silverware. You can’t thibk Poch is fabulous and emery sucks when we almost finished above them over 38 games with a much worse squad last year”

    China they were concentrating on the champions league you see, losing 13 league games was just part of a grand master plan to lose the champions league final and solidify his reputation as top three manager in the world

  107. CG

    BD

    “”””Also, Emery will still be here in January 2020 but CG will not stick to his word and will still be here annoying us all””””””

    (I will. )

    Carnage hours away. Buy them oppo goals!
    Double Digits looming.

    1.LIVERPOOL
    2.SPURS
    3.WATFORD

    followed by Villa and Man Utd.

    The Clown wont and can not survive this barrage of fixtures and the inevitable consequences.

    (Burnley x 18 attempts on goals)
    Our defence is non existent.

    #Torn To Shreds#

    Well played Eddie N

    Propelling Leeds Utd all the way to the Prem.

    Who in their right mind sanctioned this loan and left us with only x 2 Center Forwards for a 10 month season?

    (Dont we want young Eddie learning from the master PEA at Colney?
    Why cant he score from the bench for us?
    Why are we allowing Leeds to gain the benefits?)

    The Clown?
    The Spiv?
    The Teck Deck?

    Incompetence.
    Useless.

  108. Up 4 grabs now

    Good morning.

    Not getting the great love in for Pinocchio.
    put your medals on the table, you’ve had 6 years and not won a bean.
    not even a tin pot kangaroo league cup or whatever its called these days.

    he inherited a team off Arry Redknapp who had finished in the top four,qualified for the champions league and had played in a quarterfinal.
    the only thing he did was flukely manage to get them slightly further to the final.

    Even Wenger in his senile declining years managed 3 fa cup wins.

    will give Klopp his dues at least after 5 years hes won the European cup and under normal circumstances would have smashed the league last term if it wasn’t for city.

    Emery gets one season, doesn’t get backed in the transfer window in his first year like he did in the one just gone.
    and still only finishes 1 point of the almighty poch and 2 points off third.

    Emery can hold his hands up for the leicester game where he set the team up wrong but the rest of the running wasnt down to him.

    Auba missed the penalty against the spuds ( and if we had var last year it would have been retaken at least for encroachment)

    we had xhaka and mustafi costing us goals and penalties
    (yes its his fault for playing them but since he wasnt backed in the transfer window he had no one else to play after losing three players with acl injuries.)

    its not his fault Ozil went missing for 35 of the 38 league games over the season.

    we should get top four this season, if we dont theres no excuses,
    Emery can be moved on.

    lets see what the great poch wins this year though my guess, seven years and counting?

  109. raptora

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGS4vJVmE8M

    Rooney sent off for an elbow in the face. Once a madafaka, always a madafaka. I can remember at least 3 incidents when he has done that same thing to us. With him being English and Ferguson having the refs in his pocket for whatever reason, he was always spared. Manure would have had probably 3 titles less if VAR was around 20 years ago. Rooney though. Diver, dirty, dirty player. So grateful he went to manure. It was a nice fit.

  110. Pierre

    CG
    “Who in their right mind sanctioned this loan and left us with only x 2 Center Forwards for a 10 month season?(Dont we want young Eddie learning from the master PEA at Colney?
    Why cant he score from the bench for us?”

    This decision could come back to haunt us as we are only one injury away from being down to playing one striker in all our games .

    Can Pepe play up top ..debatable
    Will we promote another academy player ..possibly .
    Nelson ..doubtful
    Martinelli could be the best option..

    Is there anyone else ?

  111. Receding Hairline

    “Is there anyone else ?”

    Tyreece John Jules
    Martinelli
    Pepe can go through the middle

    Man City only have Aguero and Jesus as out and out strikers

    United only have Rashford and some kids

    No other club lives in perpetual fear of injury to a striker like the posters on Le Grove

  112. HighburyLegend

    “This decision could come back to haunt us”

    lol I thought lil’ P. was talking about the departure of Ozil next summer.

  113. CG

    Pierre

    We are the only ones who can count around here,

    The idiots in charge have left us with:

    x 1 Exp. Keeper
    x3 Center Backs ( if mustafi departs)
    x1 Auxillary Back
    x2 Center Forwards,

    for a 10 month slog,

    they are useless,

    and we will finish 8-10th because of it,
    We don’t have the numbers.
    Unless the Clown jettisons the Loosers Cup.

    But he wont- its ‘his baby’.
    he loves the darned thing,

    Like a pig in shit- The Clown and the Loosers Cup

    Fail to Prepare
    Prepare to Fail

    #torn to shreds#

  114. Up 4 grabs now

    Raptora,

    Despite the naysayers, VAR will be fantastic for us.

    the likes of Mike Dean will be hesitant to deny us decisions that go our way if he knows hes going to be made an idiot by the var guys.

    he was still a tosser against burnley but all the big decisions, he couldnt go against.