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Well, Arsenal didn’t disgrace themselves in a fun game against the MIGHTY Real Madrid.
We more than held our own against Zidane’s team of champions, in fact, it’s hard to say that we didn’t dominate them at times.
Unai Emery looked like he really wanted it… the scariest PE teacher this side of the Atlantic last night. It looked like he really needed to show the world, the fans, and the press that he can cut it against big teams and he wants a seat at the big boys table.
Once again, we rolled with players that really shouldn’t be anywhere near the tour, but hey, Bale landed some game time, so I guess everyone is out here shop windowing players they want to move on.
I thought there were some real positives. Firstly, we went two goals up and dominated from the start. Arsenal looked like they’d adapted to the heat more so than Madrid. We pressed well, even Ozil was getting involved in the dirty work. It is true, blondes really do have more fun.
How about Carl Jenks smashing into Marcelo? Take that you ‘I’m too good to play with Carl’ mug.
The second half was more interesting for me because we brought Saka, Eddie and Reiss into the game. They were a real menace. The pace and athleticism they gave our forward line was transformative, the shame of it was that it was meshed in with youthful bad decision making. They were all fluffing their lines like shy teenagers attempting to ask the head cheerleader to the dance.
It was a touch embarrassing to see us take the ball to the corner last minute, but at least the players are taking the preseason seriously.
Madrid won on penalties, but who cares, really?
So what have we learned…?
Things are getting desperate now. We may or may not have signed Ceballos. We’re no nearer on a powerful winger. We seem further away on a left-back than ever before. Emery is trying to promote an exciting future on the pitch, but it’s with kids, not mature stars.
The four players he thought he was landing haven’t materialised, and we’re very close to the start of the season.
I mean, I’d rather that than attempt another season with a bunch of players that are unlikely to find the next level for us… at least it’ll be exciting and committed.
We’ll see though, plenty of time until the window shuts… sort of.
See you in the comments! x
I just watched our loss to Southampton last season again and i’m asking myself, what has changed in this arsenal team? I’ve watched enough of guendouzi to know he ain’t a player we should be playing. He offers nothing than headless runs and one out of twenty through pass, a flash in the pan. I’d really love to see his tackle statistics. Another useless player is iwobi. The rest are professional useless players. We were just running like sheeps without a shepherd. I’m really waiting for emery’s apologists this season to see what they’ll point to again. From emery didn’t… Read more »
WE
I’d guess it’ll come down to when it was signed off. It’s only a deal when it’s in writing!
That second sentence is also sent to Kos.
Valentin
Are you saying we should have accepted the £3 million?
Chris,
Again the lying snarky comment.
I have already explained what happen.
Aulas made the remark on TV during the Women World Cup when he was interviewed.
I gave the link because it was the first that I found in English. It has since been repeated by the every media.
If Indeed there was a bid for Kos why then is he forcing a free transfer Valentin??? Why not just hand in a transfer request and be done with it??
Marc
The people in charge at Barca must have a dangerously low collective IQ- if they had just waited until July 1st to open talks it would have been a smooth transfer.
Doesn’t surprise us in the slightest though with all of the stories coming out on what a shanty town La Masia has turned into in recent years hence nobody coming through and their questionable signings.
Marc,
I am saying that we should sit down and start negotiating.
We may be able to extract a CB on loan for a season.
Clearly Koscielny will leave at the end of the season. I would be delighted to be proven wrong, but I can’t see us make use of him in any meaningful game this season, then it is better to cut our loss.
Same thing that happen to WestHam with Arnautovitch. They accepted half his release clause amount because they wanted the issue resolve immediately.
So Ceballos isn’t a done deal.
That prat Ornstein jumping the gun yet again.
WE
Well I’d say it’s two things. It’s not low IQ it’s arrogance, secondly they’ve lost their contacts guy the one who can get deals done!
marc
I dont think FFP can ban us for going into loss for 1 season.And even if we sell mikhy,mustafi, elneny, jenks for combined 50-60 mil after august 8 that’ll still be a good win. We can then invest that money during the Winter window into a good CB or whatever the need of the squad and hopefully attain a CL spot for next season. With that money coming in we wont be in loss anymore while also clearing out the dross.
Pierre
Are you serious about us signing Nzonzi and Mings?
Valentin
Are you French?
Receding,
Because Arsenal quoted 10 millions and refuse to entertain any negotiation.
He think that the 3 millions is fair and that in view of his service they should let him go.
It is a shitty situation and nobody will win.
My take is it is unlikely that he will come back into the fold, so let’s be adult about it and sort it out as quickly as possible.
Having a sulking senior player stuck in the reserve is not good for either parties.
Villa signed Mings for 26 million pounds.
What a time to be alive.
“So Ceballos isn’t a done deal.”
Where are you getting that …all reports say it’s done
Wasi
Well that 50 – 60 million isn’t good if they’re valued at 100 million – it’d add a £40 million loss to our accounts. They can’t ban us for one season, I believe it’s looked at over a 3 year cycle but it’d still mean we’d have to show a £40 million profit to correct it.
Marc,
Yes, I am.
Lived in London for the last 25 years.
Is it not possible to buy out your contract? If that is the case then Koscielny could buy his up for say £5m. The idea of any transfer fee that is more than £5m is therefore not going to happen. Or am I missing something?
Wasi
I was but too late now…
Mings has gone to villa for 25 million and I have no doubt be will go from strength to strength under the wing of John Terry who I am sure knows a good centre back when he sees one.
Bob
Players over a certain age can buy out either the last year or 2 years of their contracts. It depends on their age and a few other things – it’s called the Webster clause – it’s a new version of a Bosman.
“Because Arsenal quoted 10 millions and refuse to entertain any negotiation.”
So the alternative is 3m or free?? Haven’t heard of such a transfer before. Maybe Arsenal quoted 10m in the knowledge club captain has already agreed a deal and wants to be let go on a free.
You seem to ignore precedence set if Kosielny gets everything his way. You are acting like the club has done him wrong, i disagree. If he has clubs that want him desperately he can hand in a transfer request, it cannot be 3m or free FFS
Receding
Asensio bolloxing up his ACL might convince Zidane to pull the plug on it. Would be amazed to see Bale still at the club in September and leaves them a little short for the two wide slots with Hazard, Isco (?,better as part of the midfield 3), Vasquez and the kids Vinicius and Rodrygo who are both 18/19.
Yes 40 mil loss might be reported only if we dont qualify for the CL next season. If we do i think it will even out and might even go into positive. And even if we dont we will still have one more season for the cycle to complete where we can cover the losses by reducing the transfer kitty/selling players.
Pinocchio swinging is dick all over the show today. Looking forward to the excuses this season should it go as it’s shaping up to
Bob N16, I thought as well that he could invoke the Webster clause, but two friends both lawyer disagree on that. One says that he has left it too late as he has not given enough time for Arsenal to find a suitable replacement of similar value. The other argue that as long as the transfer window is still open and he is in dispute with the club, the club is aware that he could invoke and as such he still can. As I am not a lawyer, I have no idea which one is right. Anyway the Webster clause… Read more »
Pierre
Nzonzi couldnt even cut it in the Serie A now. He is just a downgraded Xhaka now.
As for mings , i dont know what to say havent seen him but all i have read about is his poor injury record and low quality
And the most important point- These 2 players dont fit the dortmund+ model we are trying to implement.
July 24th now with one signing for next season and a loan yet to be finalised.
Everyone still cool as a cucumber that we’ll be hunky dory by August 10th?
Valentin OK I’m trying to understand your mind set. Are you siding with the player because he’s French? Are you scared of confrontation? I ask this because you comments are so flaky you really need to fucking man up. Firstly Arsenal is bigger than any one player and it’s about time we start showing some balls and that players can’t ride roughshod over the club any time they feel like it. Secondly – you can’t count. If Kos is desperate to go he can buy his contract out, that’d be £4.68 million according to you which is £1.68 million more… Read more »
Eagle Madrid based outlets say he is gone on loan. Asensio’s injury has nothing to do with him apparently they still have options. He is reported to have completed a medical,
WE
Not sweat mate – had some home made Gazpacho for lunch – every things under control.
Honest!
“Pinocchio swinging is dick all over the show today. Looking forward to the excuses this season should it go as it’s shaping up to”
Yet i am the one always looking for an argument and also lacks self awareness.
This guy
Receding
You’re Shrek, back to your swamp lad the world doesn’t revolve around you. Off you go
Weagle
You could guess the list of those who are just peachy with things.
Receding, Again you deliberately twisted what I said. The club will not budge from the 10 millions. Transfer is not going to happen at that price. So the choice is between 1) sell a player at a reasonable price which looks like being 3 millions or even extract a player maybe on loan from the buying club. 2) keep an unhappy, unmotivated senior player while still paying his wage. Knowing that in January he will be able to negotiate a pre-contract. I doubt that he will be as professional as Ramsey. 3) keep the player who suddenly come back into… Read more »
Nope, we’ve been utterly pathetic this window and if the season goes as we expect, Emery can take that permanently stupid look on his face and fuck off.
That fat cunt Raul can too.
That Gazpacho will be decorating your walls come mid August if you’re putting your trust in us to doing what needs done by then chap!
Valentin
As Marc says, you are willing to take a football chairmen on his word, and the gossip column from a disreputable newspaper stating his comments as fact, and that was then recycled throughout other questionable websites.
So forgive me if I seem ‘snarky’ but you often present your opinion as fact based on really shoddy evidence.
“You’re Shrek, back to your swamp lad the world doesn’t revolve around you. Off you go”
Guess you are looking in a mirror princess, only one here who thinks he is the center of attraction is you.
I’ve mentally prepared myself for the fact that if we are adding at CB for this season, then Cahill’s going to rock up on a short term contract also.
RH
Read something today that said Emery was quoted on not knowing whether the injury would affect the loan tho?
Valentin
There is a 4th option.
Make the player sweat until mid August so that he either buys out his contract or issues an apology to the club that ties in with a deal done before the window closes in France.
You really come across as completely lacking in any balls.
Leftside
I wouldn’t be surprised. I think the original plan was for Kos to be cover for a season with Saliba joining next.
Receding
Yea that’s why I put effort after effort into lying about what folk say so I can act the big lad. Obviously conquered your cul-de-sac, venture out into the word a bit more you fanny instead of acting the giver of truth on here.
Marc,
My position has nothing to do with being French as Koscielny.
It is just a rational, accounting view of the situation.
Like I said WestHam were exactly in the same situation than us with Arnautovitch. They went the grown up route and accepted a lower fee.
My view is that if Koscielny stay with us but does not play and we sell him in January, he would have cost us 30 weeks of salary or 2.7million.
Between the 3 million offer and the 2.7 million saved we should be able to get somebody on loan for a year.
Valentin Koscielny’s salary was paid the many months he was injured, if the club believe they can pay his salary ( heavily dependent on performance and appearances as Pedro posted earlier) just to avoid setting an unwelcome precedence of a player demanding to be freed of his contract and getting his way so be it. You are assuming he will be made to start matches, i don’t buy that assumption. He might not even feature and then quietly leave the club in January, but the message has been passed You are siding with Koscielny on this and i cannot for… Read more »
WE
You should have seen the mess I made making it!
Kos as cover implies that the plan was for Sokratis-Holding to be the starting CB pairing for the season in which case Emery has to take full responsibility when we concede close to or even crack 50 PL goals once again.
Valentin
You really are hard work.
What if we sell him for £4 million on the 31st August?
I’m certainly not an apologist for Emery but I feel that the way the club is now set up, he’s far from the transfer negotiations.
Should we not assume that Raúl has to be seen as the man responsible for the financial side of the transfers? I appreciate there is a Dick Law replacement, some ex Sky man, but Raúl, within the limitations of the budget has be the main man.
Marc, yes indeed I understand the thinking although I don’t agree with it. Not enough has been done to rectify a defence that has conceded 51 goals two years running.
Marc,
Let’s assume that we make Koscielny sweat until September, we have to pay his salary for an extra 5 weeks. That also reduce his Webster clause by that same amount. So in the end he got his wishes and fly back to France.
However the English transfer window is now closed, we can’t get a replacement.
I can’t see the benefit of teaching Koscielny a lesson if it is to the detriment of Arsenal.
Marc
You not get that Gino blokes’ Italian cuisine DVD?
One that ate the Kangaroo bollocks on Celebrity few years back.
“Like I said WestHam were exactly in the same situation than us with Arnautovitch. They went the grown up route and accepted a lower fee.” No there were not, Marko A never asked to be let go for free, they was a bid on the table for him Valentin. As of today we don’t have a bid on the table we are rejecting, what we have is a player demanding to be freed of his contract. Do you know who were in the same exact situation?? Real Madrid Ramos pulled the set me free card, Madrid declined, Ramos is on… Read more »
Do we actually know that someone has bid for Kozz?
Whole discussion is a bit pointless otherwise.
Bob
Emery has some input on targets and which members of the squad he wants to keep / dispose of and that’s it.
Cesc
On yeah some newspaper said it!
I think Valentin is the origin of the Simpson’s joke.
“Read something today that said Emery was quoted on not knowing whether the injury would affect the loan tho?”
That was immediately after the match this morning (or last night depending). Of course at that point he wouldn’t know what Asensio injuries will mean for the deal.
“Do we actually know that someone has bid for Kozz?Whole discussion is a bit pointless otherwise.”
Exactly ..he is making it look like we are rejecting a bid when the official line is player wants to be set free from his contract.
I get it Valentin is a massive Sting fan.
“If you love somebody set them free”
Marko Arnautovitch had a 40 million release clause that he agreed to in January.
However the Chinese club were only willing to offer 20 millions. Arnautovitch threaten to go on strike If he was not let go. WestHam relented and he left for half his release clause.
The amount may be different, but pretty much the same situation. A player wants to leave. Club wants X amount. Buyer club offer Y amount that is less than X. Player threaten to go on strike. Lawyer gets involved. In the end club relent and player is sold for a negotiated fee Y’.
“The amount may be different, but pretty much the same situation. ”
Again i point out Kos asked to leave on a free
Marc RH
The whole argument is just silly then. If Arsenal rejected a reasonable offer that is one thing but getting incredibly defensive over a Daily Star rumour or something is just daft.
Kozz has been very unprofessional, he’s behaving like a bitch, the club are trying him like one. This smacks of greedy player wants big wages and the only way he gets them is if the club release him or let him go for free.
Fuck him.
Valentin
Twisting the truth there a little – he didn’t agree a buy out clause in the Jan he signed a contract extension.
Tell me if I threatened you now would you give me a load of cash?
Marc,
I just can’t see the financial benefit of keeping an unhappy, unmotivated player and paying for it.
The shoes is on the other foot with Özil. I would love if he were to accept a severance package for half his value.
I am just arguing for a resolution that make financial sense for Arsenal andb that is likely to be accepted by the other party.
And yes, I am an old Sting fan, even if I have a preference for old blues.
Enjoy yourself with Valentinnosebest guys, have a good evening…
Difference is that Ozil is on a ridiculous contract.
Our defence is fucking shite and even though he’s well over the hill, Kos isn’t on outrageous money and he’s still our 3rd best CB. Makes no sense to lose him for nothing and look spineless while doing it.
Valentin
What if we’re only paying an extra months wages and in the process saving the club hundreds of millions in future by showing don’t fuck with us?
With Ozil are you suggesting we pay half his wages to get him to move?
Marc,
Koscielny did not agree sign any deal in January. His last contract is three years ago, hence he can invoke the Webster clause.
On the other hand Arnautovitch did sign a new contract (even if it is worded as an extension) that included a 40 million release clause. It is worded an extension because it extend the length of the contract, but legally it is just a new contract that supercede the old one.
https://www.skysports.com/app/transfer/news/11685/11758581/west-ham-complete-sale-of-marko-arnautovic-to-shanghai-sipg
Clyne out with an ACL.
Was apparently going to join Palace.
Say hello to Jenkinson.
That nerd still at the club CA?Longest make a wish case the PL has seen.
Even Ali Dia got hooked after an appearance.
Valentin
You’ve just told me what I posted.
You really have an issue don’t you. I couldn’t give a fuck what West Ham did, Kos acted like a cunt and is being punished appropriately. He’ll be sold before the window closes on the continent.
Cesc
Well if Palace can pay X for Clyne – Jenko is clearly worth X plus.
Marc,
Do you honestly that playing tough with Koscielny will stop any of our players from agitating for a move in the future ?
If tomorrow Barcelona make a low ball bid for Xhaka, do you think that he will play nice with Raul because of what he did to Koscielny?
On the other hand, it is kind of hypocritical from Arsenal. After all we got Wiltord, Aubameyang after they messed with their club. We are also inciting Zaha to push for a move.
Anyone else find the whole De Gea situation odd?
Was fed up of battling for a EL spot and living in a cold-weathered shithole filled with Mancs and was on the verge of a move back to his sunny homeland before Real’s fax machine decided to intervene.
Fast forward a year (?) with a 6th place finish fresh under their belt and he’s extending his contract and being made Captain. Some turnaround that.
PSG are screaming out for a decent Keeper as well.
Valentin
You are a fucking girls blouse.
If Barca make an offer for Xhaka I’ll have to fight off thousands of season ticket holders to drive him to the airport.
And yeah showing that throwing a tantrum because we won’t tear up your contract won’t get you what you want will have an impact.
I reckon a mugger could steal your wallet armed with a water pistol after spraying you with water.
‘On the other hand, it is kind of hypocritical from Arsenal. After all we got Wiltord, Aubameyang after they messed with their club. We are also inciting Zaha to push for a move.’
We offered or are offering reasonable fees.
We’ve been offered nothing for Kozz.
Massive difference and end of argument really.
WE
He still hasn’t signed a new contract even though it keeps being reported he’s about to.
He’ll either get a silly money deal, ManU will panic and be forced to sell or go on a free.
I know he should scweam and scweam till he’s sick and ManU will let him go on a free – just ask Valentin.
Marc,
So you are arguing that we should sell Koscielny for 4 millions just before the end of the French transfer window.
That is exactly my position.
The difference is that you think we should not enter negotiation until the last moment to make him sweat, my view is that approach could backfire on us.
What happen if all three interested parties purchase players because they think that we will not budge? We are then stuck with an unhappy, unmotivated player whose wage Arsenal still has to pay until at least January.
Quick question or two for those with more faith in Emery, Raul and the lads:
How many players would you be happy with coming through the door before the deadline? And how many do you think that the club will get over the line?
Where do you project that we’ll finish with these signings? If outside the top 4 then it’s been a shit window hasn’t it?
Cesc,
We offered or are offering reasonable fees.We’ve been offered nothing for Kozz.
I would say that both Celtic and Crystal Palace disagree with the first part of that statement.
Regarding the second part.
Clubs (Bordeaux and Lyon) were willing to pay up to 3 millions, but we turned them down and refused to negotiate.
Marc
Could be playing the long con in theory couldn’t he? Make it look like he’s signing on and stall until the end of the window only to turn around and opt out of signing, giving him a hefty list of interested clubs in getting him for free next summer.
United will find a panic sell in January much harder than this summer. Requires DDG to be a malignant cunt this scenario mind.
Where are you getting the info on those bids for Kos though Valentin?
‘If outside the top 4 then it’s been a shit window hasn’t it?’ I don’t know, when you apply context I don’t think you can say that. We’re the 6th worst team in the top 6 and we’ve got a £45 Million budget. I mean, it’s a pretty pathetic scenario that the owner could and should have helped with. As I see things right now City, Liverpool and Spurs are levels above us. But there are question marks over how Chelsea will do with Lampard and no signings and how United do with Ole who I’m not convinced by. If… Read more »
If you are De Gea there is only three clubs you would want to join in Spain: Real Madrid, Athletico Madrid and Barcelona. No other clubs have a chance to win la Liga or the Champion’s League.
All three are currently well stoke in the goalkeeper department. His choice of resigning for ManUtd may well be a choice by default.
PSG was just a red herring.
At least he has successfully extracted a lot more money from ManUtd than he could have realistically hope from any of the Spanish clubs.
‘I would say that both Celtic and Crystal Palace disagree with the first part of that statement.’ First off, you gave examples of players Arsenal unsettled. We paid £13 Million for Wiltord, £60 Million for Aubameyang and offered £55 Million for Zaha. Try to stay on your own points. Secondly, £19 Million rising to £25 Million and £55 Million plus a player…versus nothing for Kozz. Not even comparable and objectively reasonable offers. ‘Regarding the second part. Clubs (Bordeaux and Lyon) were willing to pay up to 3 millions, but we turned them down and refused to negotiate.’ Source? We know… Read more »
WE,
L’ÉQUIPE is the most renowned French daily sport newspaper.
Their opinion piece are sometimes controversial and misguided (Calling for the head of Aime Jacquet a few months before he won the World Cup in 1998) , but in term of info they tend to be reliable.
It’s not who we have got in it’s the fact we have
had plenty of time to work out who needed to go.?
Basic child like mismanagement at every level.
Marc July 24, 2019 17:29:22 Wasi Well that 50 – 60 million isn’t good if they’re valued at 100 million – it’d add a £40 million loss to our accounts. They can’t ban us for one season, I believe it’s looked at over a 3 year cycle but it’d still mean we’d have to show a £40 million profit to correct it. The players are shown in the accounts at the transfer fee paid for them (plus any associated costs in their registration) which is then amortised over the length of their contracts. I would say £50-£60m for the players… Read more »
Kroenke spent $40 million yesterday on an E-Sports team.
Cebi
“Real Betis relegated Getafe on the final day of the season and Betis Dani Ceballos told Getafe centre-back Cala: “I hope you go rot in the second division and the club disappears.”
Cesc, First off, you gave examples of players Arsenal unsettled. We paid £13 Million for Wiltord, £60 Million for Aubameyang and offered £55 Million for Zaha. Bordeaux wanted 20 millions for Wiltord at the time when 10 millions was a lot of money. We paid £56 millions for Aubameyang when they had an offer of 62 millions from China. Dortmund wanted 70 millions. We offered 55 millions in instalments and with part player exchange for Zaha when Crystal Palace wants 80 millions. Is Koscielny worth the same amount than Zaha, so of course the amount will not be in the… Read more »
He’s gonna be fun in the NLD is Cebi.
The more we learn about Ceballos, the less likeable he appears to be.
Hopefully that was just youthful exuberance and arrogance.
Look forward to see how he and Delle Ali will seize each other.
Cesc I agree with your outlook. We are working with a limited budget therefore are never going to look efficient in the market. The only way to get deals done early in the window is to offer what the clubs are looking for but we cannot afford to therefore the only tactic we have is to lowball and hope players agitate for a move. It appears we are still working on our first targets, I am sure if we cannot secure them then we have back ups in mind or perhaps we will just wait. I don’t see the rush… Read more »
.CA
“Otherwise you’ve made a load of noise tonight over nothing.”
Something you do nearly every night of the week ..
Who are we going to sign today ?
Valentin
It will serve you well to use phrases like “it is alleged” or “it is reported” when you’re discussing these issues.
Not doing so makes you come across as ITK
Otherwise you make good points every once in a while like everyone else here.
Valentin
So you’ve got nothing.
End of really.
What a storm for a few hours over absolute twaddle.
Anybody knows how much Barcelona had to pay Rabiot to compensate for cancelling their pre-agreement?
Between that and the possibility of not being able to register Griezman they seem to be managed by 🤡!
Skinnywill
” Cesc I agree with your outlook. We are working with a limited budget therefore are never going to look efficient in the market. ”
So nothing’s changed over the last 12 years then.
Cesc,
What are your source?
I stated mine, l’Equipe and a video interview of Aulas for the 10 millions.
Skinnywill Agreed. Everything points to trying to get the players we would like to bring in on side and making reasonable offers which will make teams think about selling as the window gets closer to shutting. I think the big issue for us is the amount of money we can offer them this summer. It seems as if everything has to fit together just right for us to get our targets. Said it before but if Celtic are pushing for £5 Million or more up front this window than we would like to offer that could end our ability to… Read more »