Eddie delivers.

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Unai Emery pulled a magic trick out of his hat. He used the powers of youth to completely disguise that Arsenal hadn’t added a single first-team player to the squad this season and we’re three games into preseason.

Quite amazing to be having a 2012 like conversation after all the backroom upheaval to address exactly this.

Before I push on into the game. I’m also finding the strategy for moving certain players on a touch baffling. If we’re serious about selling anyone, why are we starting them on this tour? Mustafi and Jenkinson should both be getting their marching orders, but we have them stinking out the tour instead? Seems a very odd way to go about things.

Anyway, the game didn’t really tell us much about the upcoming season, other than it looks like it’s going to feel very familiar unless something very aggressive happens in the next two weeks.

Our defence seems to have honed its ability to leak good chances. Fiorentina were very poor but found ways to get in behind us time and time again. It doesn’t seem to matter what system we play, we’re a disaster. It obviously doesn’t help when you have Mustafi in the starting 11, but look, it’s not me putting him there.

My major worry is this: Emery has zero pedigree with defences. He averaged 49 goals a season at Sevilla. He took PSG from 17 goals, to 27, to 29. He couldn’t better Wenger’s tally last year, dropping 51 goals despite adding a keeper, 2 defenders and 2 defensive-minded midfielders. Where does the progression come from? Nothing in history to suggest he can change things.

Moving forward we looked interesting. Eddie had a really good game. He finished very well twice. Those chances haven’t been going in when it comes to competition time. I’m of the mind that he should go out on loan this season and see if he can work on his decision making. He needs to get some teeth. I know as fans we always lose our minds with kids on preseason, but the reality for Eddie is that Emery is not going to give him many chances this season because he has Laca and Auba… so maybe he should take the move out and force his hand in the back half of the year.

I also enjoyed seeing Willock on the scoresheet again. He really does have to be ready this season, at 19, it’s a big ask, but he does look the most ready. He’s focused, he has the physicality and he can be decisive. Let’s hope Emery doesn’t bottle it.

I also thought Gabriel looked sharp… he has a lot of pace and power. That long run he made was very exciting. It’ll be interesting to see what the club does with him. Can he cut it in the first team? A huge ask if we’re honest, but you never know… I guess it’s dependent on how badly we fuck our big signings.

I was watching with my dad. He made the point that we might as well give the kids a shot, because if it’s mistakes the manager is worried about… he’d not keep playing Mustafi and Xhaka. Let’s hope he doesn’t get consumed by the panic of his job situation and move away from his youth focus.

In other news, there’s hot talk that United are in for Auba for £62m. Arsenal fans are furious at the thought of us moving him on. I love Auba, I think he’s a joy to watch at times, however, if there’s huge money on the table for a 30-year-old, we should take it and progress the squad. As things stand, we’re finishing no higher than 5th this season… if £80m gets us Zaha and Pepe, we’re in a more solid grounding next season… we might also be able to kick this Tierney deal over the line.

Holding onto your best 30-year-olds when you’re skint isn’t progression in my opinion. Especially when they only have two years left on their deal.

Right, dine out on that my friends.

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  1. Nelson

    Selling Auba is a poor man’s thought. We should push the board to sign players and not sell one of our best player. Also, we should put pressure on Raul to do something and start selling some of our unused players. I would suggest to this united front #WecareDoyou to ask Josh to put a dead line to Raul to complete a certain number of deals within this TW or ELSE.

  2. Champagne charlie

    Unai living up to his name and dumping any and all responsibility on the previous regime. Standard.

    Hardly stellar names Ramsey aside? We’d have been better with Jack or Cazorla as an option last season. Only needed a point and we’d have CL. Jeff would fetch money we’re desperate for, Welbeck the same.

    Not everyone needs a Ronaldo price tag to be of significance. Here you are clamouring for money spent and dismissing 20 mil Welbeck, 10 mil Jeff like they’re nothing – not to mention Rambo.

  3. Unai

    CC, I keep the name for posterity and a certain amount of irony.

    How is Jack anyway? Didn’t see much of him last year… oh wait…

    Such a shame the current regime have closed the Diabi home for broken footballers.

  4. Graham62

    I honestly believe that some people on here are not fully aware of the shithole W & G left us in.

    Maybe the new regime have been “performing indistinguishable” but let’s put things into perspective.

    Twenty-two years of one system and, let’s be honest, from 2006-2018, a totally flawed system, meant whoever took over would have probably done no better.

    I believe Emery wasn’t the ideal fit but I’m not going to ridicule him just yet based on a very difficult 12 months at the helm.

    The next few weeks are critical. Will we get excited by new incomings? Will we be able to rid ourselves of some of the deadwood? Will our owners respond accordingly?

    Was it really going to be that simple?

    Did we expect too much?

    I once worked for an company that was run along similar lines for fifteen years and, I can tell you, it was fudging hell.

    For this reason Mr Emery, and the new structure, deserves some leeway.

  5. Champagne charlie

    Unai

    I’ve no particular affinity for Jack wilshere, but we spent 3 mil bringing a guy in for half a season to play 90 mins. Keeping Jack or Cazorla for a season more would’ve been a vastly superior decision, Cazorla especially.

    We needed one goal vs Brighton after all, so the margins really were that tight. No issue trimming the fat of a squad, but getting rid or letting go is only the first part of the equation.

    Utterly pointless to not replace, or be boxed into a desperate loan 6 months later. So spare me the tales of Jack being crocked again, I’d take Jack with his part-time footballer level over the lesbian Spaniard we drafted in.

  6. Cesc Appeal

    If rumours are to be believed then a deal for Zaha can be done.

    Looks as if it’s money, a player on loan (Nelson, Saka etc) and then a player as well like Jenkinson, Chambers etc.

    The hold up is apparently Palace wanting more guaranteed money (same as with Celtic) instead of a sum reliant on add ons.

    The fee being talked about that has been rejected is £55 Million (that is with add ons) so it’s likely it would be guaranteed £50-55 Million, plus ad ons if Arsenal get UCL football, plus Nelson on loan and then also Jenkinson.

  7. Uwot?

    Here here we’ll said graham 62.i concur completely.The impossible we might do.Miracles take a little longer…….

  8. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    “On the signing aspect, what’s the point then? If he does well and we can’t have him then why bother? It’s a lose lose situation. All he is is another poxy body. That’s it.”

    We get someone in Cam that isn’t semi retired and hides in his shell in away games and then hopefully next year we can ship said semi retired player when he only has a year left on his contract and buy a replacement.
    More win-win in my book.

    Also not every player playing in Spain is exactly like Suarez, not sure where you got that idea from.

  9. Samesong

    “I am not one to chicken out. I have had it all over the years, being told I’m not good enough,” Iwobi

  10. Unai

    Vastly superior? 6 and 2×3’s if you ask me.

    Spare you the tales of jack being crocked? Not really a tail is it, more fact than anything.

    Look, I get it, you’ve got total disdain for the new guys, we all know why, but suggesting we carry in with project broken (Santi, Jack, Welbs et al) is frankly laughable.

    Like I said last night, Stockholm syndrome.

  11. Un na naai

    Ramsey £40-£50m
    Cech
    Welbeck £15-20m
    Wilshere £10
    Cazorla £5-10m
    Lichtsteiner
    Koscielney £5-10m
    Ospina £10m
    Jeff £20m now
    Bennacer £20-£30 now

    We are talking about over £100m worth of players allowed to walk for nothing since wenger left
    We are talking about a manager who claimed he had extensive knowledge on our squad then abaonded everything he declared he knew immedialty only to then abandon that and reinstate the abandoned players

    We are talking about a coach who was given 6 golden opportunities to claim that final CL spot and failed. Against inferieor teams with the most inept performances I’ve seen from arsenal since that 8-2 drubbing.

    We are talking about an elite management team who have only managed to secure Suarez and Martinelli since Sven left and Martinelli has edu written all over him.

    All this while the team gets weaker and weakerz while they let millions walk out of the door over and over again. You tell us this is wengers mess??
    Wake up fool. Wenger is gone

  12. Un na naai

    Unai

    In not suggesting we carry on with them suggesting we should have made money on them. They were worth millions

  13. Biggles

    I think selling Auba would be a massive mistake in all likelihood. If you sell him, you lose his goals. You aren’t going to get anywhere near as many from Zaha, probably 10-15 less across all compeitions. Losing Auba for ~£62m and having to spend all of that plus another £15-20m on Zaha leaves us worse off and out of pocket.

    Even swapping Auba out for Zaha and no money still leaves the team in no better shape, because we get more attacking threat and physicality on the wings at the cost of our best goalscorer. It’s just a repeat of Ozil-isn’t-gash-it’s-just-it’s-Giroud-on-the-end-of-the-passes-not-Ronaldo with new characters. We’ll still end up scoring 10-15 goals less across all competitions, just not have paid money for the privilege.

    On the other hand, if you get enough for Auba that you can buy Zaha and Tierney for the same money, then perhaps you’re better off because you’ll have improved the team more overall. Will Tierney reduce the goals conceded by the 10-15 that would be required to offset the loss of Auba in favour of Zaha? Probably not. He’d improve the defence a bit, but not that much, because you’ll still have Mustafi at centre back.

    When you stand back and look at football, it’s a weak link sport. That means the overall outcome is mostly decided by the weakest link of the team. This is because in a game with relatively few chances to score, mistakes by the weakest links have an appreciably bigger impact on the result. Basketball for instance is the opposite – loads of scoring opportunities and smaller teams means that LeBron can easily make up for the mistakes the weakest link on his team makes.

    Thing is, Auba isn’t our weak link. Hell, he’s probably our strongest link. His goals cover up a multitude of weak links. Take him out the team, and you’ll see even more clearly how bad Xhaka, Mustafi, Koscielny, Monreal and Ozil are. You have to swap out those players first and foremost before we start getting better.

  14. Un na naai

    Freddie

    Why? We already have a highky promisig attacking midfielder in our ranks and loaning Ceballos only impacted his development which only hampers us and aides Madrid

    It’s counter productive unless we can improve his form and then keep him if he turns out to be what we are looking for

  15. Champagne charlie

    Unai

    I never said a thing about keeping Welbeck, I was one of the only ones saying he and Rambo needed selling.

    How did Cazorla get on this season? They guy I actually championed to stay if fit?

    Tell me Cazorla at Arsenal wouldn’t have been vastly superior to Suarez. Wilshere was said to make a point of how poor that loan was, even Jack would’ve been better – which he would.

  16. karim

    I’d also say Fékir at that price is a no-brainer.

    He never failed his medical, Liverpool just tried to lower his price using the ACL thing but Aulas wasn’t born the day before and told them to spit the amount they had agreed on, which they didn’t, so Fékir stayed.

    He had an average season ( given his talent ) due to his disappointment after failing his transfer but he still scored at the Etihad, sent Lyon in the next CL round with his goal at Shaktar’s ground and also scored a magnificent free kick v PSG in the league… without any injury.

    Pep G said he was a world class talent, even Neymar said he liked him last week.

    As for now, he’s got an agreement with Betis but is hoping for a better club to call.

    Napoli are said to be very interested and L’Equipe says we’re still in touch as long as Ozil’s situation is not 100 % clear.

  17. Unai

    Un

    Lichtsteiner – cost nothing, worth nothing
    Koscielney £5-10m – still at the club and clearly up for sale in fact we wouldnt let him walk.
    Ospina £10m – sold

    Your getting all tangled up pal

  18. Champagne charlie

    Karim

    Any whisper about exactly what is wrong or waiting to go wrong with Fekir in terms of injury? Awfully fishy transfer pending at that price

  19. Unai

    Tell me Cazorla at Arsenal wouldn’t have been vastly superior to Suarez. 

    Yeah, I agree here, loved Santi, my only reservation would be that one more year in the prem might just have killed him off but we will never know.

  20. Guns of Hackney

    Jesus. I could find 10 players right now down the park who could do Auba’s job.

    Riddle me this, why did no other club in the world come in for this goal machine?

    He came to a small time outfit at a hefty price. If we can recoup his fee and some while buying a few more players, I’m happy with that.

    My prediction for next season: he won’t get 15 in all comps.

  21. karim

    Charlie

    He turned 26 a few days ago, it means his bad injury occurred when he was younger enough to recover, well, that’s what they usually say.

    Didn’t have any medical setback ever since the operation if I’m not mistaken.

    Lyon are desperate to keep him and are ready to offer another deal but it sounds as if he just wants to see if the grass is greener elsewhere, after most of the players he grew up with are gone.

  22. Guns of Hackney

    Also, if signing Zaha means we lose the gormless Iwobi, I’d pay palace £200m. Get it done Arsenal.

  23. Champagne charlie

    Karim

    Very strange price for a player of his talent, I’ve always loved watching him. If another club came calling ie us.. would Lyon suddenly up the quoted?

  24. S Asoa

    Selling Auba a 30 goal striker is fraught because AFC are incompetent to buy any replacement. If signing a Tierney has proved to be such an operata without end product to date , do not expect AFC to have the sauce or balls to get a decent striker replacement. Icardi snafu proved a point.

  25. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    Who is that promising attacking midfielder, Willock? He’s not ready to start regularly for us this season, even with Ceballos here he’ll get enough games as a sub/in cup games.
    He might be ready the season after though, hence we bring someone in that can do the job now and isn’t made of wet noodles.

  26. karim

    Charlie

    Not what has been transpiring so far.
    Don’t think we’re gonna go for him and am pretty sure that’s a big mistake.

    We’ll see.

  27. Un na naai

    Unai

    Ospina for £3m
    He’s Columbia’s first choice.

    Kos will go for peanuts.
    And hardly tangled up seeing as you can’t argue against anything other than Lichtsteiner

    The rest is over £100m allowed to walk
    Disputing the worth of Lichtsteiner and koscielney doesn’t change that fact

  28. Silverhawk

    Some posters on here needs to go back to Elementary school. Their understanding of English is so pathetic.
    Here is what Saka said

    “Unai does not have to speak to us directly, Freddie comes to us and tells us what we need to do.

    “It makes the transition from the academy to the first team much smoother.”

    The key line there is DOES NOT HAVE TO.
    Let me repeat it again DOES NOT HAVE TO. get it?
    That he speaks to them or not directly, Saka had this to say

    “The boss is doing a good job of managing all of us, helping us to progress every day and to learn.”

    Now, how do I help you to learn and progress daily if I don’t have direct communication with you?

    It’s either some posters here are just stupidity personified or they reek of agenda. On second thought, It can be both.

    Morons.

  29. Un na naai

    Freddie

    Why? Guendouzi was used over Ramsey, Torreira and Elneny for most of the season at 19 and willock has looked for more of an asset in his few brief appearances thus far

  30. Nelson

    Just read that Bellerin is posting with Rapinoe. Oh my God! He won’t be allowed to enter the States soon.

  31. Chris

    Re Fékir

    It seems a very good price if true.

    We took a chance on Overmars all those years ago after his serious injury and that worked out pretty well!

    Also don’t forget Kanu came to us after heart bypass surgery.

    It’s just a shame we can’t shift the useless Mesut to facilitate anything like that. It would be good to see Ceballos , who knows what agreement would be in place regarding the loan. If he were to enjoy it here and not get guarantees from Real Madrid the following year he and the club may want to sort out a permanent deal.

  32. Bob N16

    In the circumstances, I’m all for Ceballos.

    From what little I’ve seen of him, he looks extremely talented. With our limited budget and our need to improve half our starting 11, bringing a top quality young player on loan seems like sound sense. Obviously if he’s successful, RM will probably want him back but it would give us an inside track if we tried to buy him. He’s hardly going to play every game but I like his attitude in wanting to play 40 times this coming season.

    Get it done (plus Tiernay, Saliba + Winger and CB)!

  33. Words on a Blog

    Still no concrete news of a completed transfer – more rumours, more links more tittle-tattle.

    The only clear positive development has been the announcement that Camden Brewery will replace Carlsberg (“probably the blandest beer in the world”) as the Arsenal match day beer.

    For idiots/masochists like me who go to pretty much every home game, at least we can drown our sorrows in style…

  34. Un na naai

    Freddy

    You know full well our cmf starters will be xakha and Torreira. All Ceballos is for arsenal is cover for a season. Not sure what all the fuss is about. He will do nothing then head back to Spain with his tail between his legs. If we are going to spare the first team for cup games then it makes sense to use OUR youngsters there.
    Let willock and chambers and AMN and guendouzi play cmf for cup games. It will only improve arsenal. Either we have our own batch of central midfielders ready to step into the first team or we raise their game and put them inthe shop window if they are not quite the levelrequired
    Win win as opposed to another waste of time loan move for another over rated yet underwhelming Spaniard.

  35. Chris

    Silver hawk.

    Very much so. Some people here seem to think they know the inner workings and goings on of every single thing and then add 2 and 2 together and get 492.

  36. Freddie Ljungberg

    Ramsey £40-£50m yes we should have sold Ramsey with 1 year left, he was never a 40m player with 1 year left on his contract and high wages though.

    Cech retired ffs, you think we’re getting monry for that.

    Welbeck £15-20m had 1 year left of his contract last summer, we tried to sell but he wanted to see out his contract and leave on a free.

    Wilshere £10 was out of contract, no way we should have extended that and no one would have paid any money for a broken player if we did.
    Cazorla £5-10m again out of contract, coming back from a serious injury and close to retirement age, if we would have extended no one would have bought him and I doubt his legs would handle the PL now.

    Lichtsteiner had a 1 year contract that we understandably didn’t extend

    Koscielney £5-10m is still with us and that’s the figures we’re looking for, some people still think we should let him leave for free

    Ospina £10m, went for 4.5m because he’s a shortarse on high wages and not really that good.
    Jeff £20m now, no he isn’t.
    Bennacer £20-£30 now, is going for 15m and we’re getting 30% of that.

    We didn’t get fees for some of those players because the former management allowed them to get into the last year of their contracts, but sure, let’s blame the guys that isn’t your darling Wenger.

  37. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    you still don’t get what kind of player Ceballos is and I’m despairing that you ever will.

    he’s not a dm, could probably do a job as CM but if we bring him in it’s most likely as cover/replacement for Ozil at Cam, seeing as he can’t play away, or against any top opposition that’s a lot of games that needs cover in. Willock is not ready for that.

  38. Victorious

    Is it just me or We don’t seem to have a plan B to fall back to if we fail in pursuit of our main targets this season

    We’ve been on the Tierney case for weeks now with literally no other LB linked so far

    Apparently it’s Zaha or burst for us also,I mean 55M plus Nelson, Chambers and Jenk? Come on I like the lad BT no way he’s worth that.

    Way Better value elsewhere

  39. Chris

    Freddie

    Let’s face it we need cover in that position for all the games we will play.

    Never mind that Ozil barely has a presence on the pitch anymore but who knows when he will next phone in sick with a cold.

  40. Silverhawk

    Chris

    I mean anyone with half a brain would know that he was praising Freddie there and not attacking the coach. But agenda. Smh

  41. Unai

    I mean 55M plus Nelson, Chambers and Jenk? Come on I like the lad BT no way he’s worth that.

    If we land that with an installment plane weve literally mugged them off lol

  42. Graham62

    There are very few positives at Arsenal at present, so selling one of these positives in Auba, would be a bit of a downer.

    Ok, so we could get a good sum of dosh for him but if that’s what Josh Kroenke sees as being “exciting” transfer news, I think it would cause a wee bit of friction amongst an already divided fanbase.

    I’m hoping this is all a rumour and Auba stays and that the owners will be the ones to help stimulate the real excitement.

    Fingers crossed.

  43. Champagne charlie

    Vic

    Emery suggested we have a next line of targets that we’re hesitant to go to because we want the first choice.

    Question is how long do you go?

  44. Victorious

    Unai
    I mean 55M will get us the likes of Ziyech,Malcom, Everton, Chukwezie etc with change to spare to strengthen the CB position

    I like Zaha but he’s nowhere the bees knees

  45. Un na naai

    Bennacer is £16m from empoli

    From arsenal that’s a different matter. If he’s at arsenal after the tournament he’s just had we could get £20m minimum

    Ramsey. We Repeatedly had offered for Rambo of over £40m. Either way we should have had an agreement with him to extend his contract by a year and sell him for whatever we could get

    We didn’t. We listened to emery say he wanted to build a team around him and then drop him afater two games.

    Wilshere
    Same again. Extend contract.
    Keep him or sell for £10-15m

    Cazorla
    Extend contract keep on for a year as we have no creative players in team

    Jeff £20m
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymercato.com/amp/news/angers-fixe-le-prix-de-jeff-reine-adelaide-a-20-m

    Welbeck. Extend and sell for £15m
    If Ings is worth £20m then so is welbeck who is a shoe in to England squad when fit.

    Ospina no matter his wage is a £10m keeper.

    Why are you defending the club’s inability to sell properly Freddie you little anus licker?? What’s in it for you? You’re not even from London. Another Johnny come lately rent a personality.

  46. Thorough

    I know our defence may be hopeless and midfield porous, but if we manage to have an attack of Zaha, Laca and Auba then we’ll wreck some havoc. About time we start winning games 5-4 and 4-3.

  47. Victorious

    CC
    Question is how long do you go?

    Proper catch 22 situation we find ourselves then

    We play Newcastle in little over 2 weeks and we haven’t done any worthwhile transfer yet mainly because other clubs are taking the piss on us with our transfer targets

    Too risky a strategy you dont think?

  48. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don
    Ah there it is your lovely personality shining through as always. What an asshat.

    who is defending our inability to sell? There’s a Difference living in fantasy land and dealing with the realities that are facing us after years of mismanagement and neglect on the transfer and wages front.

    That whole post is wrong on so many counts I can’t even be bothered walking you though it again.

  49. Un na naai

    We didn’t get fees for some of those players because the former management allowed them to get into the last year of their contracts, but sure, let’s blame the guys that isn’t your darling Wenger.

    Freddie

    Yes. Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke let these players run down their contracts but it was emery, Raul and kroenke that let them leave for nothing. Not wenger.

    We are supposed to see a new era. A tightening of the ship and a utilisation of the assets and fundingwr have at our disposal. Instead we let over £100m walk out the door in players
    Failed to qualify fo CL from the most advanced position of our rivals
    And are now getting outspent by the majority of the teams in the league for the second summer in a row

    Have you actually been paying attention to how badly the club is being run since wenger and Gazidis left? It’s not been an improvement. It’s got worse

  50. HighburyLegend

    “Auba, Lacazette and Zaha.
    Wow!!
    Opponents will be scared shitless.”

    And at the other extremity of the pitch, you have Mustafi… lol

  51. Marc

    Un na

    Ramsey and Welbeck had both decided to leave on a free – Ramsey had a contract offer on the table for months and didn’t sign it, why not?

    Sanllehi made the right call by pulling the offer.

    At least Welbeck was honest enough to be up front about his intentions.

  52. Un na naai

    who is defending our inability to sell? There’s a Difference living in fantasy land and dealing with the realities that are facing us after years of mismanagement and neglect on the transfer and wages front.

    Freddy
    You’re deliberately missing the point aren’t you? These players could all have had their contracts extended by a year or two by emery then sold or kept depending on what he saw.
    Ramsey was over £40m himself
    We had offers from China for ozil which were turned down by the club only for emery to drop him completely.

    What are you not getting here?
    Every single one of these lads left once wenger left and they left for nothing.
    Emery and co had it within their hands to extend their contracts and make money on these players but they didn’t
    They let it go
    Emery personally caused the Ramsey issue. For what? Two loanings or spannish flash in the pans? To let Ramsey and Wilshere and Santi walk for free? Joker

  53. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    “Yes. Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke let these players run down their contracts but it was emery, Raul and kroenke that let them leave for nothing. Not wenger.”

    Ffs do you even think before you write?

    Extending a half dozen players in their last year of contract that are either too old or just broken, that no one wants to pay money for, on already high wages (they’d obviously would want a raise as well) just to flog them might work in the demented landscape of your twisted imaginations but it’s a bit more complicated in the real world, where we normal people live.

  54. Un na naai

    Marc

    Welbeck decided to leave on a free because the club were not going to renew his contract. We had offers for him last summer
    Same as Ramsey
    Same as ozil

    The club turned them down only to everyone run down their contracts

  55. Un na naai

    And no
    Ramsey has agreed a deal which was pulled by emery and Raul because emery didn’t want him. Emery dropped him after two games after claiming he was the main man.

  56. Freddie Ljungberg

    Please tell me more about this offer from China that the CLUB turned down? Pretty sure it was Ozil that didn’t want to leave for a country with firewalls preventing him from playing fortnite.

    Ramsey had a contract on the table for months that was already way better than he deserved, he could have signed that and stayed but he wanted even more, good riddance and should have been taken care of when he had 2 years left not in his last year when we had little bargaining power.

    Both Wilshere and Santi were out of contract, one is broken and overhyped and one was broken and nearly on a beach somewhere. No one would have paid any fees for them, especially not with a pay raise that comes with a new contract, what is it you don’t get?

  57. Champagne charlie

    Vic

    Yea it’s a tough one without doubt. It changes per target based on the significance of you ask me, but to that end we shouldn’t be in late July pretending Martinelli might be the next whatever this coming season. That’s fantasy, the kids 18, let him be good for 20 mins every month and be impressed if he has much else to give.

    I’m a bit puzzled by the strategy we have this summer even if I’m a big fan of some of the targets.

    Zaha – he’s an attacking force, and potentially changes us in terms of actual levels imo. So that one I’m fine with dragging

    Tierney – good player, no reason we should still be flailing about over it though. None.

    Ceballos – I know little, but a loan with no option to buy should be getting done first day for me. Wtf are we negotiating there? He’s here for a season, why are we making the transition harder?

    Outside of these I question why we’re not aggressively recruiting a CB with Kos wanting out, and a general poor return last season. Same with CM, we’ve lost Rambo, losing Elneny, and have Xhaka, Torreira, and Guen who have any pedigree to play there. We should be bringing in a CB and CM just to replace imo. Radio silence on that front unless Ceballos is a performer to that end.

  58. Freddie Ljungberg

    “Welbeck decided to leave on a free because the club were not going to renew his contract. We had offers for him last summer”

    That’s not what Raul said in his interview a few months back but I’m sure the voices in your head has told you differently.
    You’re also wrong on Ramsey and Ozil but that’s to be expected from you honestly.

  59. Valentin

    Marc,

    Where did you read that Wellbeck had decided to leave on bosman and had informed Arsenal upfront?

    I am not saying that you are wrong, but I was under the impression that Wellbeck wanted to stay but that Raul decided to wait until Emery came in and assessed him before offering him a new contract. Once Emery had a look at Wellbeck, he decided against offering him a new contract. By the time the decision was taken it was the winter TW but Wellbeck was long term injured so unsaleable anyway.

    Has Wellbeck found a new club? because if he had not that would indicate that there was no underhand plan at work.

  60. China1

    This idea that because wenger and gazidis were terrible there’s almost nothing we can be doing better right now makes no sense at all

    No one is asking for miracles. Nobody expects that emery says screw you to our deadwood and 5 mins letter is presented with a fat Cheque for 100m in player sales to fund world class players.

    But this very mindset is the problem. We are reactive and instinctively defensive as an organization. We don’t have a plan for how to fix all the things that are wrong or how to make the best of a bad situation. We are instead a group of inept managers (no idea if edu is but I’ll give him a chance) who are all standing round hands on hips tutting about how unfortunate it is that they were left with a steaming pile of shit. Grab a shovel Arsenal ffs

    I don’t care if the club gets its hands dirty and still stinks for a bit, I care that we stop staring at the feces and actually do something about it.

    Arsenal are clueless

  61. Un na naai

    This Wengerite drivel on here today shouldn’t be allowed to stand.

    Ishola
    What would you rather? Machete dissenting voices Rwanda style?

  62. Ishola70

    Wengerite drivel that is rewriting history on here and plucking comments from their arse and stating nonsense and putting it up as facts.

  63. Guns of Hackney

    When you look at Tierney, you see a guy in a defence that wins the league by 30 points.

    What is this lads credentials?

    Why are we speculating on a £25/30m bloke from Scotland?

  64. China1

    This tierney transfer saga is an absolute embarrassment, it really is

    Don’t go telling me that because we had wenger for 22 years we are now required to make joke installment offers for players we can readily afford. The club is not even self aware. As someone else said, since Sven left Arsenal’s total transfer business has been Suarez LOL and martinelli.

    ‘Be patient’

    No thanks.

  65. Un na naai

    Wilshere wanted to sign a new contract
    So did welbeck.
    So did Ramsay

    He agreed the contract and it was pulled
    It’s not like Raul is going to lie now is it? No no. What would he have to gain right?
    The fact is that the club has been majorly mismanaged as badly or worse in the last 16/17 months since wenger got the bullet

    You cannot blame letting £100m worth of talent walk fof free on a man who isn’t here any more

    If welbeck and Ramsey were not signing new deals last summer then sell them. The spaniards chose not to. Not wenger. But the new regime.

  66. Ishola70

    Still going on about Aaron kin Ramsey.

    He left of his own accord.

    The contact was there for him to sign and extend for an age. He didn’t take the offer up. Shock horror.

    Where have fans been for the last 10 plus years?

    Players of note at Arsenal leave the club. And of their own making not others.

  67. Un na naai

    As someone else said, since Sven left Arsenal’s total transfer business has been Suarez LOL and martinelli.

    This…….

  68. Guns of Hackney

    The Suarez deal was just ace! I mean ace!

    Up there, but not quite, with the Kallstrom deal.

    Banter FC.

  69. China1

    It feels like that scene from Austin powers when the steamroller is driving towards him at 2mph and he’s just standing there screaming

    And we have people on the side saying be patient, I’m sure he’s gonna stop. He won’t hit you! Give him a chance!

    Fucking embarrassing

  70. Un na naai

    Ishola
    Then he should have been sold last summer
    No excuses. Wenger has left. New men In charge. They dithered. They fucked their chance to put down a marker. Just like they did with welbeck. Ospina. Jeff. Bennacer.

    Millions lost right there.

  71. Guns of Hackney

    Arsenal: how much?
    Team: £30m
    Arsenal: £5m over 10 years and the remainder in 2050?

    I bet you we would be waiting outside Pret at 18.00 for the unsold falafel sour dough that no bastard ever buys.

  72. Freddie Ljungberg

    “Wilshere wanted to sign a new contract
    So did welbeck.
    So did Ramsay”

    And we would have been saddled with 3 mediocre injury prone players. All of them were on 100k+ a week already, would have demanded more, in Ramseys case much more, would have been impossible to flog them after that.

    They’re only 100m assets in your feeble mind Don, no one would have paid anywhere near that for that bunch.

  73. Ishola70

    China1

    These adds ons that are reported in relation to CL football are an absolute joke.

    Not just Tierney deal but heard as well Zaha.

    Why on earth should the selling club give a flying fuck whether the player they sell goes on and plays in the CL to the team he is sold to.

    You buy the player for what his worth is now and what the selling club deem he is worth.

    And as if Tierney himself is going to propel Arsenal on his own to CL football.

  74. Freddie Ljungberg

    Ishola

    We’re hardly the first or last club inserting clauses into a fee, pretty much standard practice.

    If we have a smallish budget and many positions to fill this is what happens. Drawn out negotiations and haggling to make our money stretch as far as possible. Not really that ground breaking stuff is it.

  75. China1

    When I was a student I worked in a coop and at 10:45pm, 15 mins before closing, we would reduce all the stuff about to go out of date (and get binned) to either 9p or 19p.

    Every day without fail this really well dressed and well spoken guy who looked just like Paul McCartney would come in at 10:45 on the dot, pick up some reduced items and proceed to try and haggle the prices even lower. We refused every single time without fail and on occasions he’d even put one or two items back like an absolute bell end.

    This is arsenal

  76. Gbat

    ‘Then he should have been sold last summer’.

    It’s not as simple as that. You can agree £100m fee with another club. The player still needs to agree to the move.

  77. Jani

    Agreed with the comments above, 55 mil plus 2/3 players (or the straight 80 million) is way too much for Zaha. Good (but not great) player, in an area we need to strengthen but not sure if that’s good value for money.

    Instead of spending 80 mil (cash or cash + players) on Zaha, We can use that money to get a good winger for 35-40, keep promising young players like Nelson/Saka, and have money left over to add a defender or two.

    Along with the names mentioned like Everton, Malcolm etc… I think Leon Bailey would be a coup for half the price of Zaha, imo more gifted and higher ceiling and only 21. No issues with adapting (language, culture etc.) either like some of the potential Zaha alternatives mentioned.

  78. Un na naai

    No no china

    We are signing Ceballos. Dont you worry about a thing. So great he’s being hawked around Europe on loan and end up at a desperate Europa league club

    This lad is quality don’t you know. So great that Zidane with a midfield over 30 is desperate to sell him.

    Then, if he performs against all odds we have to hand him back. Brilliant arsenal. Just brilliant. This one could be even better than the Suarez deal.

  79. Samesong

    I bet you we would be waiting outside Pret at 18.00 for the unsold falafel sour dough that no bastard ever buys.

    LOL

  80. China1

    Also if you are Celtic our palace and you see arsenal behaving in such a brazenly poverty stricken manner (despite having the biggest cash reserves in world football) I don’t think you’d have any confidence that arsenal know how to get top 4 next season

    The strategy is as limp off the field as it is on it

  81. Graham62

    Get Zaha!!

    Offload Jenkinson, Elneny( can’t see Palace taking them)

    Put Mustafi up for auction.

    Give Mavropanos a run in the team along with Chambers.

    Mikki- get what we can for him. I do sense though that if Ozil wasn’t around we’d see a completley different Mkhitaryan.

    Ozil – pray that aliens arrive so that they can abduct him and hopefully experiment on him.

    Draft in some of the youngsters.

    Bob’s your uncle.

  82. Ishola70

    Freddie Ljungberg
    “We’re hardly the first or last club inserting clauses into a fee, pretty much standard practice.”

    There are different kind of clauses.

    These adds ons relating to CL football are rubbish.

    As said as if the selling club cares whether the player they sell goes on to play CL football.

  83. Un na naai

    Gbat

    But according to Freddie both others were desperate to leave? Ramsey was highky I demand last summer. It was being reported that all the top clubs wanted him. Barca, juventus, Manchester untied, chelsea, Real, PSG, inter

    You think he’d have said no to all of those clubs had we made it clear he was for sale at £40m??

    Wake up.

  84. China1

    When was the last time a top English club struggled to afford an obscure Scottish left back most people had never heard of before?

  85. Un na naai

    They’re only 100m assets in your feeble mind Don, no one would have paid anywhere near that for that bunch.

    Freddie you tool

    Ings went for £20m
    Welbeck is worth more than Ings. Is regular international

    Wilshere is £10-15m easily.

    Ramsey is a £40m midfielder
    Easily

    This is not even debatable.

    The Spaniards let premium british talent walk out of the club for free.

    No matter how you dress it up it won’t change that fact.
    If Ings is worth £20m in this market and zaha is £80m then this lot are worth that

    Same as Bennacer and Jeff are now worth £40m plus and we let them walk for nothing.
    There is no defending this.

  86. HighburyLegend

    “Wilshere wanted to sign a new contract
    So did welbeck.
    So did Ramsay”

    So did Ozil!!
    (too soon ?)

  87. Gbat

    Un na naai

    I don’t remember reading of bids for Ramsey.

    Maybe there were bids. Or more likely, Ramsey had big offers that he knew he’d only get if he was out of contract.

  88. Ishola70

    Add ons can work when signing a younger player or a player that is not certain of being a starter in the first XI. Add ons relating to the individual player rather than relating to the team he is sold to. Even a striker of any age can have add ons in relation to number of goals he scores.

    But Arsenal going for CL add ons is just desperation mode and is because they can’t think of anything else that would lower the price at purchase.

  89. Batistuta

    Absolutely embarrassing our negotiations this summer. Almost like an Intern is the one in charge and we’re just going throwing stones and hoping something sticks.

    July 22nd and yet some advocate some kind of patience, which is something earned and so far this summer, it’s been an absolute drag

  90. Receding Hairline

    “When was the last time a top English club struggled to afford an obscure Scottish left back most people had never heard of before?”

    Obscure Scottish Leftback?? He plays for the biggest club in Scotland, has picked up nine Trophies since his debut and made 41 appearances in Europe most of it in the Champions league. Celtic do not have many assets they can sell better than Tierney.

    You can criticize the nature of the dealing without going overboard

  91. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don you racist mong

    Yeah sure. We should have extended Welbeck a crocked player that was aready on 100k a week and sat back and waited for someone to offer us 20m. Could have taken a while….

    Wilshere is broken and was on 120k a week, no one was going to pay any money for him.

    We should have sold Ramsey. I’m not arguing that, he was never going for 40m though, then we would have sold in a flash.

  92. Ishola70

    Gbat
    “I don’t remember reading of bids for Ramsey.Maybe there were bids. Or more likely, Ramsey had big offers that he knew he’d only get if he was out of contract.”

    Exactly.

    Ramsey running down his contract was a win not only for him but for the buying club. Ramsey gets big move, big signing on fee and buying club only has wages to worry about.

    Juventus probably had feelers out to Ramsey for a long enough period before his contract expired.

    Ramsey can shed a tear for the cameras last game of the season but he went and left the club of his own accord.

    If people are still peeved about the Ramsey departure go and burn one of his old Arsenal shirts in the back garden.

  93. China1

    So receding if you cast a poll here of who had heard of tierney before this summer I think you’d struggle to find more than a few people. It’s not overboard to call him obscure, he’s not exactly a major name in world football is he? He’s so well known and high profile that for 25m we seem to be the only club showing any interest whatsoever

    I don’t doubt he’s a good player and I’ll be happy to have him if so, but he’s an obscure Scottish player. Ain’t no telling me otherwise

  94. Gbat

    Ishola70

    Raul said in his interview that Ramsey had unbelievable offers that Arsenal just couldn’t match. And so he decided to see out his contract.

    Arsenal offered Welbeck a contract and he also decided to leave on a free.

    But you get some on here saying we didn’t want to sell our are too incompetent. I’m pretty sure the club would have liked a transfer fee for both.

  95. China1

    Also biggest club in Scotland, sure but that’s a sales pitch right there because Scotland is a pub league. Celtic are entirely irrelevant to major European football

  96. China1

    Bellerin is not even a particularly good footballer and still gets talked of as a 30-50m RB, so if Tierney wasn’t obscure he’d surely be fetching a lot more money than 25

  97. China1

    Also you can’t count trophies at a club like Celtic lol.

    That’s like winning with psg Bayern or juve. You can show your face and smiley and pick up at least two trophies a year.

    Tierney ceases to be an obscure player when he’s a household name and has lots of major clubs fishing around him each year

    Us and a meh Napoli isn’t there yet

  98. Receding Hairline

    “I don’t doubt he’s a good player and I’ll be happy to have him if so, but he’s an obscure Scottish player. Ain’t no telling me otherwise”

    His quality isn’t what we are debating either

    The use of the word obscure is

    Obscure: not discovered or known about

    Just a few days ago someone on here said targeting Tierney was no great scouting as everyone knew about him, today he is obscure.

  99. Receding Hairline

    “Bellerin is not even a particularly good footballer and still gets talked of as a 30-50m RB, so if Tierney wasn’t obscure he’d surely be fetching a lot more money than 25”

    Maybe because Bellerin is a Spanish international and plays in the premier league??

    You are struggling with the word obscure

    And yes Celtic are the biggest club in Scotland, the quality of their league has nothing to do with that statement.

  100. Receding Hairline

    “Tierney ceases to be an obscure player when he’s a household name and has lots of major clubs fishing around him each year”

    This is not worth a response because it does not deserve a polite one.

  101. China1

    Haha well it wasn’t me saying that because I doubt 95% of football fans south of the wall knew who he was until arsenal started getting linked to him

    If he’s well known and a top talent, 25m seems below the market rate and there should be more interest in him, don’t you think?

  102. Receding Hairline

    25m below market rate???

    How many players has Arsenal football club sold for 25m in the past 5 years?? or are we loaded with obscure players as well??

    You are still struggling with the meaning of the word obscure.

  103. Champagne charlie

    Receding entering the fray with his trademark argumentative manner.

    That stuff out the tap, still wet.

  104. Samesong

    I think China your being a tad disrepectful to scottish football tbh

    didnt Van Bronkhurst sign for us ffrom Ranger way back.

    There are definetly little talented players in the scottish league. Just because they haven’t played in the premier doesn’t make them a shite player.

  105. Ishola70

    25m is more than enough for him though.

    More than enough.

    Seems Celtic aren’t skint.

    Or perhaps they are just posturing and will sell nearer to deadline for lower plus the silly add ons. Celtic can be like that.

  106. Receding Hairline

    Someone spends the better part of the morning arguing with other posters (and rewriting history while at it), i pick up on the wrong use of a word and it’s a “trademark argumentative manner”.

    I am not in the mood for nonsense

  107. Receding Hairline

    Nothing in that article even supports your claim a 50m pound bid was made by Barcelona ..nothing at all.

    More an article about Ramsey and his progress and injuries than a transfer story

  108. Champagne charlie

    Where has history been rewritten?

    You came in with a quip about Jack wilshere, then moved onto someone denouncing the pursuit of Tierney that’s dragged on.

    Defensive stance as ever, disciple of paella.

  109. Receding Hairline

    “You came in with a quip about Jack wilshere, then moved onto someone denouncing the pursuit of Tierney that’s dragged on.”

    You mean super Jack Wilshere?? Yes by all means offer him a contract so he can add three appearances and more time with the medics to his CV (that you even found a way to drag Suarez into a discussion on Wilshere underlines your desperation) as for the Tierney talk were you not the poster who said just a few days ago that going after him was no great scouting?? So surely the use of the word obscure renders your line of argument silly doesn’t it??

    You used to be able to pass as a guy of average intelligence on here Charles, how the mighty have fallen

  110. Receding Hairline

    I actually made it quite clear that China was well within his rights to criticize the nature of the Tierney dealing but calling him obscure was not accurate but who cares for what was written when you can spin it to involve paella or whatever

  111. China1

    As far as I’m aware Celtic are in no urgent need to sell and they’re negotiating with a cash rich top 6 English club so can inflate to a rate not much lower than an English club could

    Weak leagues doesn’t have to mean cheap prices if the player is well known and rated. The point is weak leagues tend to have good players before they’re well known world beaters, so they usually don’t command crazy fees.

  112. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    Great find that article, almost as good as the voices in your head.

    It says he was linked with a 50m move to Barca after his 1 great season for us 6 years ago, nowhere was there a mention of an actual bid, and again that was 6 years ago, before all the injury ravaged seasons he had after that, and there was quite a lot of those wasn’t there.

    Wow that really proved your point…

  113. China1

    Haha you’re damn straight I’m disrespectful to Scottish football!

    The fact that you had to go all the way back to van bronkhorst the best part of 2 decades ago should tell you something mate haha

    They hard henrik larsson who was a top quality player and exceptionally few others. The Scottish league is laden with Scottish players. Their national team should be the best of the lot but have been ranked somewhere between awful and crap for decades. I honestly doubt most people could name 11 players currently in the entire Scottish league.

    It’s not personal, as I have two Scottish great grandmas. But they suck at football, the league is ass and they don’t have players who are widely well known abroad outside because why would people outside Scotland be watching that league regularly?

  114. Receding Hairline

    “Weak leagues doesn’t have to mean cheap prices if the player is well known and rated. ”

    If i am not mistaken 25m will represent a Scottish transfer record so again don’t get why you are calling it cheap. They are not selling a 70 goal a season striker but a 22 year old left-back.

  115. China1

    I bet without google you lot could name as many players in the absolutely dismal chinese super league as you could in the Scottish premiership

  116. Receding Hairline

    “The fact that you had to go all the way back to van bronkhorst the best part of 2 decades ago should tell you something mate haha”

    No you don’t

    Virgil Van Dijk was playing in Scotland in 2015, Andy Robertson in 2014, Moussa Dembele in 2018.

    Edify yourself Sir

  117. China1

    Receding 2 years ago bellerin was being talked of as a 40+m player and he’s done nothing and is probably not as good as tierney

  118. Receding Hairline

    “Receding 2 years ago bellerin was being talked of as a 40+m player and he’s done nothing and is probably not as good as tierney”

    I don’t really care for valuations until someone actually pays it. I don’t know if Bellerin is as good as Tierney or not, Bellerin has certainly plays at a higher level week in week out

  119. China1

    We’re up to 5 quality players across a whole league spread over the last 2 decades so far. Can we hit 11 for a full team?

    I think boruc used to be at Celtic so I’ll give you a 6th for free 😛

  120. China1

    You’ll have to forgive my disrespect for the Scottish league

    There’s just no convincing me I’m afraid

    It’s like when I see when the Chinese super league clubs buy a couple of big names of huge money and people suggest maybe the league will actually get quite competitive in time and I’m like no.

    I’ve attended too many Chinese matches to believe there is any hope for this league with or without a couple of good players

  121. bennydevito

    ValentinJuly 22, 2019    10:50:19

    Saka’s interview confirmed that Freddie is helping the transition from academy players into first team players.
    Funny how those who rubbished the idea are very quiet on that front.
    The most damning part of the interview is the fact that Emery does not talk to them directly. The role of the head coach implies to know his players. A easiest way is to talk to them. How will he be able to communicate with them effectively during the season if he does not know them. Unless this is a PR exercise mandated by the management and as soon as the season starts they will be kicked to the kerb.

    >>>>>>

    It’s called delegation, Pep does it extensively and is bummed virtually for it.

    ValentinJuly 22, 2019    11:05:54

    Unai,

    Imagine, Iwobi is injured and Saka is called upon to replace him. At the same time, you want to change tactics. You need to quickly communicate to him all the instructions. How do you explain the subtle change of tactics you want him to follow?
    Because you have never talked to him directly before, you don’t know how to talk to him. Do you use complex words, write down on a piece of paper tactic notes, point to him?
    That’s why communication is so important. You need to be able to transmit the information quickly and be sure that the information has been understood.

    >>>>>>

    This is ridiculous Emery hating agenda nonsense of the highest order.

    I ask directions of people in London all the time that I don’t know and I am able to ask them questions and they are able to give me answers. We do not need to know each other to be able to speak to each other.

  122. JAMES WOOD

    Tipping youngsters up for future value.
    Well you must think of the Brooks boy at
    Bournemouth.
    Just 20 years old a wonderful talent.
    These are the type of players we should be linked with.?

  123. karim

    Too late..

    A video of Fékir arriving at Betis is doing the rounds.
    They apparently got him for a little more than € 20 million + 10 in bonus and Lyon gets 20 % of his future sale.

    Bargain.

  124. Receding Hairline

    “Imagine, Iwobi is injured and Saka is called upon to replace him. At the same time, you want to change tactics. You need to quickly communicate to him all the instructions. How do you explain the subtle change of tactics you want him to follow?
    Because you have never talked to him directly before, you don’t know how to talk to him. Do you use complex words, write down on a piece of paper tactic notes, point to him?
    That’s why communication is so important. You need to be able to transmit the information quickly and be sure that the information has been understood.>>>>>>This is ridiculous Emery hating agenda nonsense of the highest order.”

    Benny that’s just standard Valentin

    “Because you have never talked to him directly before, you don’t know how to talk to him. Do you use complex words, write down on a piece of paper tactic notes, point to him?”

    If he wasn’t laughing while typing this i am worried for him. Maybe Emery needs to have talked to Saka right from his birth before being able to pass “complex tactics” to him.

  125. Freddie Ljungberg

    Karim

    Big miss. And here we are wasting time on Zaha, an inferior player that will cost 3-4 times as much, depressing.

  126. Un na naai

    Anyway who gives a shit wether a bid came or not
    Ramsey is a £40m midfielder easily in today’s market and emery and Raul let him go
    Stop trying to wife track the debate
    Whatever your valuation of welbeck Wilshere Ramsey Bennacer Ospina Jeff and all

    We let an absolute fortune leave for free after wenger left
    We’ve signed Martinelli and Suarez since Sven left and we are fucking up a crucial transfer window yet again

  127. China1

    Hey I never judged the quality of the individual player, that’s a different story

    For the record VVD is one of my favourite non arsenal players of the last 10 years.

    We should’ve been throwing our pennies and IOUs at Celtic for him a few years back

  128. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    China said obscure and clarified why he said so quite reasonably. But you had to leech onto a word used because that’s your nature when trying to debate a premise…..skip the premise and unpick minutiae.

    “You used to be able to pass as a guy of average intelligence on here Charles, how the mighty have fallen”

    Oddly enough your view of intelligence means little to me, you’re literally Shrek who hasn’t ventured outside his bog.

    Yea man, mock Jack Wilshere only making 3 appearances when Suarez managed 90 mins plus a fee, there’s logic. You’ll have obviously dusted over the actual point made which was Cazorla shits on Suarez and even Jack would’ve offered more. Not hard to fathom given the discussion was how we are and have operated until now under the new lot.

  129. Gbat

    Ramsey wanted to leave on a free. We managed to sell Ox who had a year left for good money. Why? Because Liverpool were willing to pay the fee and the player wanted to go.