Eddie delivers.

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Unai Emery pulled a magic trick out of his hat. He used the powers of youth to completely disguise that Arsenal hadn’t added a single first-team player to the squad this season and we’re three games into preseason.

Quite amazing to be having a 2012 like conversation after all the backroom upheaval to address exactly this.

Before I push on into the game. I’m also finding the strategy for moving certain players on a touch baffling. If we’re serious about selling anyone, why are we starting them on this tour? Mustafi and Jenkinson should both be getting their marching orders, but we have them stinking out the tour instead? Seems a very odd way to go about things.

Anyway, the game didn’t really tell us much about the upcoming season, other than it looks like it’s going to feel very familiar unless something very aggressive happens in the next two weeks.

Our defence seems to have honed its ability to leak good chances. Fiorentina were very poor but found ways to get in behind us time and time again. It doesn’t seem to matter what system we play, we’re a disaster. It obviously doesn’t help when you have Mustafi in the starting 11, but look, it’s not me putting him there.

My major worry is this: Emery has zero pedigree with defences. He averaged 49 goals a season at Sevilla. He took PSG from 17 goals, to 27, to 29. He couldn’t better Wenger’s tally last year, dropping 51 goals despite adding a keeper, 2 defenders and 2 defensive-minded midfielders. Where does the progression come from? Nothing in history to suggest he can change things.

Moving forward we looked interesting. Eddie had a really good game. He finished very well twice. Those chances haven’t been going in when it comes to competition time. I’m of the mind that he should go out on loan this season and see if he can work on his decision making. He needs to get some teeth. I know as fans we always lose our minds with kids on preseason, but the reality for Eddie is that Emery is not going to give him many chances this season because he has Laca and Auba… so maybe he should take the move out and force his hand in the back half of the year.

I also enjoyed seeing Willock on the scoresheet again. He really does have to be ready this season, at 19, it’s a big ask, but he does look the most ready. He’s focused, he has the physicality and he can be decisive. Let’s hope Emery doesn’t bottle it.

I also thought Gabriel looked sharp… he has a lot of pace and power. That long run he made was very exciting. It’ll be interesting to see what the club does with him. Can he cut it in the first team? A huge ask if we’re honest, but you never know… I guess it’s dependent on how badly we fuck our big signings.

I was watching with my dad. He made the point that we might as well give the kids a shot, because if it’s mistakes the manager is worried about… he’d not keep playing Mustafi and Xhaka. Let’s hope he doesn’t get consumed by the panic of his job situation and move away from his youth focus.

In other news, there’s hot talk that United are in for Auba for £62m. Arsenal fans are furious at the thought of us moving him on. I love Auba, I think he’s a joy to watch at times, however, if there’s huge money on the table for a 30-year-old, we should take it and progress the squad. As things stand, we’re finishing no higher than 5th this season… if £80m gets us Zaha and Pepe, we’re in a more solid grounding next season… we might also be able to kick this Tierney deal over the line.

Holding onto your best 30-year-olds when you’re skint isn’t progression in my opinion. Especially when they only have two years left on their deal.

Right, dine out on that my friends.

What did YOU think? See you in hell (comments).

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  1. Valentin

    Receding,

    Have you ever been in a situation where you have to quickly give instructions to somebody not in your native language?
    Not everybody understand/learn the same way. Some people like bullet point instructions, some need more info.
    That’s not very complicated to understand.

    The idea that you delegate your instructions to the translator is ridiculous. Beyond a few weeks, misunderstanding will creep in. Why do you think clubs insists players and coaching staff learn the local language if it was unnecessary?

  2. Receding Hairline

    “China said obscure and clarified why he said so quite reasonably. But you had to leech onto a word used because that’s your nature when trying to debate a premise…..skip the premise and unpick minutiae.”

    Says a lot about you that the poster i am having the conversation with isn’t as worked up as you are, he used a word to describe a player which shouldn’t have been used and that was pointed out….end of.

    “Oddly enough your view of intelligence means little to me, you’re literally Shrek who hasn’t ventured outside his bog.”

    More nonsense

    “Yea man, mock Jack Wilshere only making 3 appearances when Suarez managed 90 mins plus a fee, there’s logic. You’ll have obviously dusted over the actual point made which was Cazorla shits on Suarez and even Jack would’ve offered more. Not hard to fathom given the discussion was how we are and have operated until now under the new lot.”

    Just like Jack offered more all those years he was on a fat contract and not playing, if he was renewed he will still be here barely playing while collecting a hefty salary, the Suarez you are obsessing on is long gone, no longer our problem but keep name dropping him every 10 minuets while defending the regime that signed players who are still here and proving hard to move on.

    As for Carzola captain hindsight, letting a 33 year old football who has not kicked a ball in two years leave at the expiration of his contract was smart and is still smart, ironic that the man championing an extension for him is the same man demanding a 33 year old defenders contract be torn up and he be allowed to walk on a free because he is “broken and finished” ……..you are really a piece of work

  3. Valentin

    Benny,

    There is delegation and there dumping work on a subaltern.
    Pep does talk to his players in training. Here we have a headcoach who does not talk to his players not just on the side of the pitch but at training.

    Shame you can’t spot the considerable difference.

    I am pretty sure that once Emery is gone, people will start talking. One of the stick most players will publicly beat him: communication was non-existent or difficult.

  4. HighburyLegend

    lol karima, “too late” for what exactly ??

    Fekir is often injured, he’s now the ghost of the player he once was, plus he have his brother with him in his luggages , so thanks but no thanks.

  5. Receding Hairline

    “Have you ever been in a situation where you have to quickly give instructions to somebody not in your native language?
    Not everybody understand/learn the same way. Some people like bullet point instructions, some need more info.
    That’s not very complicated to understand.”

    That you have taken a news report and translated it into Emery has never spoken to a certain player ever is funny and sad at the same time. is this the same Saka who made one league appearance, one FA cup and two Europa league appearances last season?? Wonder how he was told what to do on the pitch then.

  6. Chris

    Valentin

    As has been pointed out, Saka actually said Emery doesn’t have to speak to him, as Ljungberg is currently doing so. It doesn’t mean that there is actually zero communication. If Saka were to find himself a regular, you could be certain Emery would be speaking him daily.

    Sama then goes on to praise Emery in the same interview.

    Once again you can’t wait to beat Emery down, at the slightest opportunity. Despite your often elegant posts you are as easy to read as a Mr Man book.

  7. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    I’m worked up about it by pointing out you strolled in spoiling for an argument? Yea mate, sounds like it. Proper on edge I am over here. Positively foaming.

    I know you don’t like the mention of Dennis Suarez, but he’s indicative of the new regimes ability to strategise and lead a transfer window. He’s the most high profile transfer they’ve orchestrated to date.

    Captain hindsight? I was vocally against letting Cazorla leave if he was cleared by his surgeon. He was subsequently cleared, allowed to leave, not replaced, and we drafted in a shit player in Jan when Cazorla would’ve undeniably made more of a one year extension. In most cases it would be nitpicking, but in our case the margins were small for making CL.

    But you don’t know why Suarez gets mentioned. And I’m the one lacking intelligence you say?

  8. Unai

    Un

    Unai is a muppet

    At least I’m not a walking advert for chemical castration bud, your literally giving retards a bad name.

  9. Receding Hairline

    “Captain hindsight? I was vocally against letting Cazorla leave if he was cleared by his surgeon.”

    Getting cleared by a surgeon doesn’t mean ready to play especially in England, you seem to willfully ignore where he moved to for his comeback, slower league and dare i say different climate

    “In most cases it would be nitpicking, but in our case the margins were small for making CL.”

    It’s nitpicking because it was never Suarez or Cazorla, that you are desperate to paint it as such is irrelevant

  10. Unai

    Highbury, no association with Un-nu-nmpty, used the handle from the day Emery was appointed, posted under a different name a long time ago but not really posted since the RVP days.

    Cant lie, was excited when Emery came in but reality bites, hes not exactly pulling up trees and the squad situation is probably worse than I first thought.

  11. Up 4 grabs now

    Evening,

    Did I miss something?
    Some people want to sell auba for 60 million,after buying him for almost that amount. Two years ago.
    All because he has two years left on his deal. Offer him a new deal he’s got three good years left in him and we could probably then sell him on to China or America.

    Why sell him for a low amount, it’s not like utd are offering 100 million plus for him.
    If we sold him for 60 we then have to spend another 20 million on top to get zaha why?

    We can get Everton for 35 million or fekir for 22 million. Add them to laca and auba and that’s a front line.

    Hell we can outscore team’s 4-3 every game, if we persist with mustafi and xhaka in the team.

  12. Champagne charlie

    “Six months loan signing, no option to buy,can’t come more high profile than that.“

    I know you’re slow, but you’re making my point, and the point of many about the current setup. Dennis Suarez is their highest profile signing to date, so he’s going to be a source when unpacking what’s going on and the relative competency.

    “Getting cleared by a surgeon doesn’t mean ready to play especially in England, you seem to willfully ignore where he moved to for his comeback”

    What do you do for a living? I’d stay in your lane. He moved back home, but he’d have gladly continued here and I’m pretty sure he said as much.

    “It’s nitpicking because it was never Suarez or Cazorla, that you are desperate to paint it as such is irrelevant”

    This is where basic comprehension escapes you. Letting Cazorla, Jack, the tea lady leave is fine, so long as we’re equipped for the season ahead. The fact we desperately chased a loan signing within 6 months of letting Cazorla walk free is admission that we weren’t equipped….

    …so it very much becomes about Cazorla vs Suarez because if we had kept Cazorla then Suarez would’ve been an irrelevance. We maybe would’ve even targeted the defender we needed at the time eh.

  13. Unai

    Danny welbeck the £10m star yet to be offered a contract by…. no one.

    Jack Wiltshire, the £15m saviour who made an influential 8 game last season totaling 1 assist.

    Jeff Reine-Adelaide the £20m prodigy who plays for French giants Angers….

    Super qualidee

  14. China1

    Btw didn’t someone on a previous page call someone a racist and also a mong in the same post?

    Mong is short for mongoloid which was a derogatory term used for Mongolians So be careful lolz

  15. Receding Hairline

    “The fact we desperately chased a loan signing within 6 months of letting Cazorla walk free is admission that we weren’t equipped….”

    Suarez wasn’t even used when he first arrived here, was then used sparingly got injured and sent back. Nothing desperate about his signing.

    It was a signing we should not have made in hindsight, it was an ill-advised attempt to look busy. Raul should have stuck to his instincts, he never wanted any deals in that window for the simple reason we could not afford the players we wanted or they were not moving.

    But then again you have an agenda to push so good luck pushing it.

    Suarez ended up being an irrelevance all things considered, he is only relevant because you want him to be, you need him to be seen as a desperate signing (ignore the fact we walked away while he and Barca practically pushed for the deal)

    It was never Cazorla or Suarez

  16. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    “Suarez wasn’t even used when he first arrived here, was then used sparingly got injured and sent back

    Suarez played the last half hour against City literally days after joining. Then after that horror show there was reports of him being rank in training, with him going on to feature for 90 minutes for the club.

    “Suarez ended up being an irrelevance”

    His input was an irrelevance, the signing was not given we needed reinforcement. Given we turned away better in the summer it very much does become a comparison. You’re just too daft to process that and defer to “agenda”, despite doing about 4 backflips about Suarez’s signing in that one comment.

  17. Un na naai

    China said obscure and clarified why he said so quite reasonably. But you had to leech onto a word used because that’s your nature when trying to debate a premise…..skip the premise and unpick minutiae.

    Cc

    That is exactly what he does
    As does Freddie
    They always avoid the main point being argued with distractive comments like
    Nobody bid £40m, Welbeck isn’t worth £15m rather than the wider issue that the new regime have squandered chance after chance to improve our transfer budget

  18. Receding Hairline

    “His input was an irrelevance, the signing was not given we needed reinforcement.”

    And extending the contract of a player who has not kicked a ball in two years would have been reinforcement ?? That was how we ended up paying Diaby for years, the Jack Wilshere thing deserves no response because he was an irrelevance at West Ham.

    You do know we made loan bids for Perisic and Carrasco in the same window but couldn’t reach a deal ?? There was no budget for January, we just wanted an extra body. Where we needed reinforcements was in defense and last i checked Cazorla was not a defender

  19. Un na naai

    Anyway who gives a shit wether a bid came or not”If you are going to say money was rejected you have to prove money was offered

    Hair transplant

    That’s not the point. The point is that the new regime have squandered chance after chance to bank cash on transfers and squandered several chance to enter th champions league, bringing with it more millions.
    Maybe there was no bid. I run a company. I don’t remever every fucking minute detail about every potential transfer reported but I do remever the reports that Ramsey was wanted by Barca last summer and emery wanted to keep him at the club.

  20. Receding Hairline

    “They always avoid the main point being argued with distractive comments like
    Nobody bid £40m”

    Because nobody bid 40m, the truth is not a distraction. Same way Tierney is not an “obscure” player

  21. Unai

    ‘Welbeck isn’t worth £15m’

    Hes available for nothing and has no offers, talk is his agent is trying to get Newcastle to take him yet still nothing concrete. Hes literally worthless.

  22. Champagne charlie

    “And extending the contract of a player who has not kicked a ball in two years would have been reinforcement ??“

    Who would’ve offered us greater value, Cazorla or Suarez? It’s not a hard one.

    “There was no budget for January, we just wanted an extra body. Where we needed reinforcements was in defense and last i checked Cazorla was not a defender”

    Haha so now you’re clinging onto the word “reinforcements” and saying we needed an extra body, not reinforcements as that would’ve been a defender? Brilliant

    No budget for Jan, hmm I wonder if they’d have known that 5 months prior when they said no to a one year extension to….Cazorla. 🤡

  23. Freddie Ljungberg

    “but I do remever the reports that Ramsey was wanted by Barca last summer and emery wanted to keep him at the club.”

    And yet the best you could find was an article from 2015 that claimed Barca was thinking about making a bid for him the year after, because they had a transfer ban at the time.
    Guess they’re slow thinkers like you Don.

    There was no squandered chances because no one wanted to pay any actual money for any of them. Be it high wages, old age, broken bodies or just being shite the massive amounts you think we missed out on exists in your head alone.

  24. Un na naai

    Receding

    So you’re saying Raul and emery had no choice but to let Aaron Ramsey walk for free? Is that why you’re saying?
    Address the fucking point you chubby balding desk jockey and stop wriggling out of it

    Wether you think Ramsey was £10m or £50m he was allowed to walk for zero
    So was welbeck
    So was Adelaide
    So was Bennacer

    The fees being quoted for them are deflated too because at a bigger club they would command a higher fee
    Bennacer would go for £25m were he at arsenal now
    Were he here now though we wouldn’t need to sign another midfielder
    Same as if we had Adelaide who is starting for France u21 in a “golden era” for them. £1.6m he went for and is now being touted for £20m

    Wilshere and cazorla as Charlie is arguing were allowed to walk for free then emery realised what a cock up he’d made and tried to remedy with loans from Spain.

    Not once. But twice. When he had two great playmakers already here along with ozil and Ramsey who he dropped two games into the season

    What fucking planet are you cunts on?

  25. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    I’m not sure that Zaha is worth anything near that.. is he what we want…

    Meanwhile in pudding lane the defence is burning, an we go get another striker.

  26. Un na naai

    Freddy

    Look you Swedish cuck. Answer this simple question then. Did the club haveno choice but to let Ramsey walk for free?

    I know you’re busy handing your women over to half of Somalia but try to stay on track

  27. Henry Root

    Palace realise Saka is a much more exciting prospect than Nelson and according to Nigerian sources want him instead on loan. Sounds like a possible to me.
    £55 mill, Saka gets a season in the PL and we give them Jenkinson as part of the deal. That will still need tweaking but it’s getting there

  28. Champagne charlie

    “Wilshere and cazorla as Charlie is arguing were allowed to walk for free then emery realised what a cock up he’d made and tried to remedy with loans from Spain.“

    That’s it in a nutshell. Neither Jack nor Santo particularly, would be relevant if we didn’t wait until Jan to go sign their lesbian counterpart.

    Denis Suarez made the decision to not extend Cazorla for a season look amateur. If we’d have brought in a defender, or maybe played Ozil and Ramsey more, then Cazorla would be a total nothing mention.

    Fact is we binned him, then 5 months later got a shit version

  29. Un na naai

    RSPCA

    Then make him sign an extension and sell him
    Make money on him. He was literally going to take a wage reduction
    Put him on it and then see who wants him
    Even if we get £5-8m for him.

    He played the whole season no probs while Shad Forsyth was running fitness. In fact the whole team’s fitness level improved

  30. Freddie Ljungberg

    Freddy

    Look you Swedish cuck. Answer this simple question then. Did the club haveno choice but to let Ramsey walk for free?I know you’re busy handing your women over to half of Somalia but try to stay on track

    Ah what a cunt.
    Can’t hide that ugly “personality” for very long can you Don

    With 1 year left of his contract and no offers we could have signed him on for that overinflated contract he wanted and that he didn’t sign for months or we could let him walk for free, not sure what the other options were?

    I’m glad he’s gone, he had 1 good season for us and several average and injury ravaged ones, maybe now we can move on and eventually (probably not this window) get someone better, more consistent that can last a full season more than once.
    We’re also not saddled with another overpaid, overhyped player.

  31. Thorough

    I know Wenger was a numpty and a scumbag but Emery has shown serious deficiencies that make people rightly doubt him. I was screaming for him to play Saka more last year ending when we were dying for a winger. Gary Neville said he’s not seen a debut like his since the day Ronaldo had his for Manu. Read even Sven wanted him to play Saka more instead of getting Suarez on loan. Finally seems even Roy agrees. Watch Saka have a grand season in Palace’s colors next year. That boy is gonna be mustard.

  32. Un na naai

    Freddy you Swedish cuck

    Answer the fucking question

    Did emery and Raul have no choice but to let him leave on a free transfer to juventus who are Happy to pay him £400k pw

    Yes or No question.

    Yes

    Or

    No

  33. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don you absolute reta*d

    Was my answer to complex for you? Ask the nearest grown up or your caretaker to walk you through it slowly for you. You’ll get there eventually, maybe.

  34. China1

    In hindsight cazorla would’ve been a useful player last year and may have won us a couple of points to pop CL football

    HOWEVER

    there was no serious evidence to suggest that the guy had another real season of contributing at the highest level in him. An ageing guy with bad injurieswho hasn’t played for years and had ridiculous (seriously) surgery like a ducking Frankenstein just to get him back on his feet

    You can say with clarity now losing him was probably a mistake last summer but at the time it made sense. I’ll blame the club for the 1000 wrongs but I don’t consider that one of them. Cazorla has no more right to stay with us than diaby by the end. You can’t keep players on forever on a hope and a prayer their bodies can survive it when all the evidence consistently says they can’t

    It is what it is though. In hindsight cazorla alongside torreira for 15 games last season would’ve probably got us 3rd…

    You win some you lose some

  35. terraloon

    Love the debate about Arsenal transfer dealings.

    Compare value extracted from the market at Arsenal and say Chelsea.

    Since the turn of the century Chelsea have sold 79 players for over £1 million, Arsenal 63.

    In that time Chelsea have sold 6 players for more than the record fee ever paid to Arsenal. Chelsea have sold 10 players( 11 if you include Morata) for £25 million or more . Arsenal 4

    Have things changed following the exits of Gazidis and AW? All evidence suggests not.

  36. Ishola70

    “Have things changed following the exits of Gazidis and AW? All evidence suggests not.”

    Cause they’re all Gazidis appointments ain’t they.

  37. Freddie Ljungberg

    Vic

    I know you’re not the brightest but look through the comments and check out Dons comments for a spell and then get back to me about bringing the comments section down.

    seriously, some people.

  38. Freddie Ljungberg

    I mean, Anus licker, Swedish cuck, is just some of the pearls of wisdom from our friendly neighborhood racist today, think there was something about Somalians as well but who’s counting when it comes to Don and his finger diarrhea.

  39. Dissenter

    This new team need to get some deals over the line quickly.
    There’s a growing sense that everyone is beating them around.

    FFS, if Palace laugh off an offer 65 million and Nelson on loan … walk away and go to plan B [if i exists]

    Zaha is not worth 65 million plus Nelson [on loan]
    Is someone is going to laugh off an already over-inflated bid then walk away.

  40. Victorious

    Don’t care who comes in at this stage anymore

    Current management has absolutely botched this transfer window

    A summer were targets should have been brought in by now,said players taken aboard for pre-season training to ensure proper gelling with teammates to ease their way in around the squad and have us totally prepared for the season

    Here we’re at the tail end of the window without nothing to look forward to except a total carry-on from the the shitfest of last season. Absolutely unacceptable

    Going right on track to be arguably our Worse transfer window ever..slightly just battered by window we brought the broken dud,DSuarez

    Bantz FC

  41. Ishola70

    Going to take many years to rid this club of the negative affects of the later geriatric Wenger and Gazidis.

    Many years.

  42. Un na naai

    Freddie

    You’re avoiding the answer because you k ow they should have made a lot more money on the players we had to sell than we did
    There was value there
    Wether you rate Ramsey or Bennacer or whatever
    You know full well the club could and should have extracted far more value from the players we have allowed to walk

    It’s negligence to a serious degree

    Victorious
    Suck my balls ya little arse hole
    Freddie is a cuck and you’ll not be policing me.

  43. Un na naai

    Well Freddie you did pretty much admit to being the rim master of le grove

    Something along the lines of if my Mrs washed her arse then maybe I’d perform analingus more regularly
    🤢 🤢

  44. Mark lowman

    Freddie and Un na naai
    The answer to your problems is a Bidet. Often found in foreign hotels , suspiciously French and maybe a tad pretentious in your average semi. However it will help wash your anus’s without the need of your wives involvement .
    Just a thought. Now on with the football

  45. Un na naai

    Mark

    Cheers for that. I know full well what a bidet is but I don’t think it matters much to Freddy when he’s playing out his next bum hole.

  46. Guns of Hackney

    Lolz. Le Grove implodes again.

    Human nature, live!

    Some hate Wenger, some love Wenger, some sit in fence.

    Some hate emery, some love emery, some sit on fence.

    There is no one solution that works here.

  47. Champagne charlie

    “Going to take many years to rid this club of the negative affects of the later geriatric Wenger and Gazidis.“

    Good lord.

  48. Un na naai

    Ishola

    How many years? How many players need to go? How much do we need to spend? How many managers will we need? How many new technical director/CEO’s/DOF’s??
    Look into your crystal ball ishola

  49. Ishola70

    Well Gazidis has his paws all over the appointments of Emery, Raul and Vinnai.

    This is even before we get to the later geriatric Wenger years and why Arsenal currently find themselves in the second tier competition as well as players we all know signed under Wenger current players that aren’t good enough.

    A good few years to flush it all away.

  50. Ishola70

    Self-sufficiency is also hindrance.

    The problem with self-sufficiency is that you have to cut your cloth to what level you are at. Good old Josh has already alluded to this in stating players on CL money playing EL in his recent interview.

    Only hopes for the club to get back quicker and by that meaning get back properly is for a special sauce manager to come along which is difficult to find or change of ownership.

  51. Batistuta

    Blog of lube on here indeed today gents.

    Raul and his contact book proving as clueless as predicted . July 22nd, 3 pre-season games in and yet no signing. We should be patient though as it’s gonna take the new team a while to rid us of the Wenger and Gazidis stench…. Bunch of amateurs running this football club i tell ya

  52. Batistuta

    I mean you’d think Wenger and Dick Law were the ones in charge if you’ve been in a coma for a while and have just woken up

  53. Ishola70

    Bats doesn’t see the link between Gazidis and Raul.

    They are buddies and Raul’s appointment was a job for the boys one.

    Any link still with Gazidis is not a good sign.

  54. Victorious

    Ishola you’re placing too much emphasis on the numerous ills of the previous regime(which is well documented btw)and is ultimately clouding your judgement on the current offerings by the new sheriffs in town

    The current buffoons running the club have been totally woeful from day 1 and haven’t gotten a single decision right from the off IMO

    A totally objective observer will agree as much

  55. Silverhawk

    Is there a way I can mute some posters?

    The fake Charlie
    CG (the only one who cracks me up on this squad)
    The clueless, agenda driven Valentin,
    And the Victorious loser.

  56. NW9 gooner

    Various sources now saying we our looking for alternatives to Tierney- we can’t even get a player from the sh’t league . Nothing has changed

  57. Graham62

    Victorious

    “A totally objective observer” would be thinking how the fcuk can you balance out one season of drastic change, against twenty-two years of autocratic leadership and, in particular, 13 years of neglect and gross mismanagement.

    Works for me.

  58. WengerEagle

    Celtic hanging us out to dry publicly re how incredibly stingy we are.

    Pretty embarrassing saga as a whole, if we’re not going to stump up the 25m for him just move on to other options ffs, not like there isn’t at least half a dozen young talented LB’s out there.

  59. Dissenter

    All the best to Celtic.
    They can keep their boy, that way he can win a few more plastic trophies in Scotland.
    We are seeking to break the transfer record and all we get is derision. The comment Lennon made to compare him with to Wan-Bissaka was ridiculous. Maybe they can keep him for United next summer.

    Time to move unto other targets.

  60. WengerEagle

    Wouldn’t be so sure NW9, Palace aren’t in a position where they have to sell and they know that we’re pretty desperate. They won’t accept anything under 60m for Zaha and I doubt that we’ll go much past 40m.

    I’d rather Everton Soares for 30m tbh than Zaha for 60m anyway. That extra 30 odd million gets us a quality centre half which we critically need.

  61. WengerEagle

    Carts, how are you keeping fella? What do you make of this sorry summer as of now. Looks like we’ll be bringing in 4 players max and have largely the same spine as last season, grim stuff.

  62. Carts

    Zaha for £60m is banter

    In hindsight we should’ve moved for Zaha way earlier before Utd got bent over for AWB

  63. Cesc Appeal

    ‘I’d rather Everton Soares for 30m tbh’

    I don’t think you do get him for £30 Million.

    Gremio apparently want £37 Million and they own 50% of the player.

  64. Carts

    WE

    All good, bruv. I’m lurking if not commenting.

    Summer I had been shite, to tell the truth. This poverty act we’re doing is embarrassing to say and hard viewing.

    We still need to shift either/both of Ozil and Mhk. I suspect if we miraculously pull of Zaha, Everton, Tierney and Cebellos, we’ll see some definite departures.

  65. Cesc Appeal

    NW9

    That’s not bad if that’s the case, but I will believe that when I see it.

    I’ve read that 3 parties own rights to Everton Soares and that Gremio want the £37 Million for themselves.

  66. Cesc Appeal

    Suffice to say if we manage to do okay in the market the owner has done absolutely nothing to help us despite our obvious struggles.

  67. WengerEagle

    CA

    So 74m including payment to the third party? Well he’s stuck in Brazil so if that’s the case.

    Find that hard to believe, Brazilian clubs can’t afford to hold onto their talent and always sell to Europe. Milan bought Lucas Paqueta for 30m in January from Flamengo, Real Madrid bought Vinicius and Rodrygo for 40m a piece and they are potential Neymar level talents compared to Everton who while looks a quality player is 23, not 18.

  68. WengerEagle

    Carts

    Yeah pretty much my exact sentiments too.

    For all the talk of this brave new Arsenal with cutting-edge futuristic planning and recruitment strategy we’re painfully unimaginative and myopic.

    We should have told Palace to fist themselves weeks ago when they quoted us 80m and moved onto other targets of which there is so many abroad. It looks like we have no alternative past Zaha though so are just stalking him all summer with the hope that Palace will eventually relent and plummet their asking price. Same for Tierney albeit on a lesser scale.

    Does Emery not have more than one name for each position on the list he gives Raul, etc? Guy is supposedly even more obsessed with watching football than Pep is and after a year in the gig the fruit of his labours when cultivating his transfer wishlist are… Zaha and Tierney…

  69. Paulinho

    Been obvious for a while the Tierney deal wasn’t going to happen -despite the “I expect us to wrap this up by the end of the week” crowd assuming token negotiations would lead to quick resolution . Celtic are under zero pressure to sell and Ornstein winding them up with his silly tweets just riled them up further. Also think the £25 million valuation is bull and they are holding out for at least £5 million more.

    Interesting that Emery said he doesn’t want us to move to second line targets just yet. Clever move on his part. Distancing himself from the clowns above and their back up targets, players that he will get stick for when they bomb.

  70. WengerEagle

    Well he’s going to get stick either way Paulinho with the alternative being going into the season with Kolasinac as the first choice LB and a geriatric Monreal as back up.

    Don;t see what’s wrong with going for a player that isn’t your no.1 target, even Klopp wanted Brandt over Salah if you are to believe the stories.

  71. Paulinho

    WE – It’s a problem because, as we’ve seen last Jan, Emery wanted Perisic and had to settle for lightweight crock Suarez.

    With our finances and pull at the mo, our first choices are just about acceptable and then the quality levels fall of a cliff if those approaches are rebuffed.

    Throwing in Nelson with the Zaha bid is a joke. Nelson is tripe and would be lucky to make their bench.

  72. Cesc Appeal

    WE

    I guess we will have to see on that. I wouldn’t want to pay anything over £40 Million for him. Closer to £30 Million really.

    I’m really getting pissed off that we’ve landed no full backs or starting wingers. Such a huge issue for us offensively and also defensively. City and Liverpool became different teams when they upgraded their full back areas.

    Ceballos and Saliba are great, but we need to upgrade the flanks.

  73. WengerEagle

    Paulinho

    See why does the quality have to fall off a cliff though? You don’t think that there are other LB’s in Europe available for 20-25m? Dortmund signed Schulz for 17m and Milan signed Theo Hernandez for 20m. Both very good players.

    Fair enough if he has his heart set on Tierney but just pay the 25-30m they are asking for then, stop with the 17m plus add-ons contingent on us qualifying for the CL which is far from a given, as you say with CL football they are in no real dire need to sell him.

    There are literally better players out there that we could buy for cheaper than Zaha, it’s lazy scouting on our part.

  74. Cesc Appeal

    Interesting Edu was signing autographs and someone asked about him Everton and he replied ‘Let’s see, let’s see’.

    Unrelated to the comments but I really like Edu, I think we’ve made a smart hire there.

  75. Paulinho

    “Fair enough if he has his heart set on Tierney but just pay the 25-30m they are asking for then”

    I don’t really think Emery has any say in whether or not we pay that extra 5 or 10 million.

    Not sure about there being players better than Zaha in terms of his attributes and how badly they are needed. I see a lot of final third speedsters like Fraser and Soares, with quick feet, but I don’t see players that can drop deep and run the ball through congestion like Zaha can.

  76. WengerEagle

    CA

    Yeah they are but we’ll only have one of the two playing for us this season and next. Ceballos has no intention of pulling a Kovacic and making this permanent, Real Madrid prefer him as well and want to hang onto him hence choosing the loan with us over selling him to Spurs.

    We’re less than 3 weeks away from the season and we’ve signed no players while losing our best CM in Ramsey and a serviceable squaddie in Welbeck. Pretty much everyone agreed that we are in dire need of a LB, CB, CB, CM, LM and arguably a RB given Bellerin’s injury.

  77. Vintage Gun

    Im still hopeful on the tierney deal but im cool with us walking away at this point.

    Its all getting a little silly and the media/pundits constantly telling Celtic not to get “robbed” by us have put batteries in their boards back.

  78. WengerEagle

    Paulinho

    Yeah I’m not blaming Emery for the standstill but he must be wondering about a plan B if Celtic don’t budge at this stage. Kolasinac as the starting LB is enough to make any supporter nauseous.

    Zaha is far from the finished article himself, he’s flawed in that his end product is unremarkable and he’s a turnover machine not far removed from Alexis back in the day. A better athlete and dribbler but Alexis had far better end product and was more decisive.

    For 60m+ you really can find better.

  79. WengerEagle

    Paulinho

    Don’t know a lot about him, from the little I’ve seen he looks a good player. Technically sound, good eye for a pass, makes the right decision more often than not and he’s a busy little presser, a player that Emery will love. Will definitely add a bit of dynamism to our lethargic midfield. Poor end product for a player playing so advanced mind, Ramsey he is not.

    He plays pretty high up the pitch though so it still leaves us with massive gaps to plug further back and will require Toreirra to be more conservative which is a shame as I liked him marauding forward when he was playing well before the turn of the year. Also means we’ll likely have to put up with Xhaka for another season.

  80. Paulinho

    WE – Crazy thing is we can’t afford to lose Kola as it stands. His aggression in terms of getting in behind off the ball is one of our few attacking threats. His final ball is beyond terrible though.

    On Zaha, Emery spoke several times last season about importance of athleticism and how we need to improve in that respect. Zaha’s is pretty average in terms of productivity but he brings stellar thrust and power in the deeper areas in the pitch. With Auba and Laca up front good for nothing apart from scoring goals, his strengths compensate for their flaws and their strengths offset his weaknesses.

  81. Paulinho

    “Poor end product for a player playing so advanced mind, Ramsey he is not”

    Yeah, I can see it now. Will be billed as a huge upgrade on Ramsey due to technical ability, and yet his inability to breach the box will be completely ignored.

  82. WengerEagle

    Yeah Kola has presence about him I’ll give him that. Ironic that he was renowned for being a solid defender in Germany and he literally can’t defend for toffee over here, going forward are his only redeeming features and as you say he struggles to fins the grass with his end product, never mind a player in the box.

    If we could somehow acquire Bale would you do it? Fantasy stuff I know because he’s allegedly on 600k a week but imagine if Zidane just wanted shot of him that badly that they were prepared to pay half the wages.

  83. WengerEagle

    Ramsey really was an outstanding PL player. Don’t see him being as effective in Italy with Juventus, won’t be as much space to run into as they defend so much deeper and conservatively over there.

    Will be interesting to see if he even starts. How do you fit Pjanic, Matuidi, Bentancur, Emre Can, Rabiot, Ramsey, Khedira into three midfield slots? Have to assume that one of Matuidi/Khedira will be sold, Pjanic and Rabiot are locks for starting spots imo so will be between Ramsey, Bentancur and Can for the third spot.

  84. Paulinho

    WE – Hard to say no to that kind of elite ability but I’ve found as the years have gone on he he’s too passive in general play and waits on the periphery, similar to Ronaldo in some respects. I loved the Bale in his earlier Spurs years that would seek out the ball more. Might be due to injuries though.

  85. Champagne charlie

    “despite the “I expect us to wrap this up by the end of the week” crowd assuming token negotiations would lead to quick resolution”

    Think you’re confusing the expectation that we are competent enough to secure a deal for a player who wants to come to us, and who plays for an inferior side.

    I still think we’ll do a deal for Tierney, I think it’s dependent on the Zaha transfer and how that might get structured. Then based on that we can nod to how Celtic want the fee paid.

  86. Paulinho

    WE – I would go with Pjanic deep, flanked with Rabiot and Ramsey as dual advanced mids, with Rabiot circulating the ball deeper and Ramsey making the runs off the ball. Rabiot is smooth as silk but worth noting he’s another that flatters to deceive once he gets in and around the box.

    Khedira is past it,and Matuidi getting on a bit as well. I think if he stays fit he strolls into their side.

  87. Paulinho

    CC – I think a lot of our fans arrogantly thought Celtic were putting up a front for their fans and media, and behind the scenes they were telling us something different, hence all the bullshit about Boli’s signing as a cue for Tierney’s imminent arrival etc etc.

  88. Champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    Maybe, but I think there should be a level of expectation that we can negotiate the transfer of a player from Celtic, arrogant or not.

    I’ve no issue with Celtic playing hardball and wanting better terms than we’re offering, I think it’s a bigger slight against us frankly. Shows us to be pretty desperate.

    If anyone thought we were going to cherry pick the leagues best player for a fiver up front and staggered payments then they’re kidding themselves. But I still see us closing, because I assume the arsenal leadership is aware of how they’ll be viewed should they chase a guy all summer and not land him in these circumstances. It’s not Zaha, it’s Kieran Tierney ffs.

  89. Valentin

    Having an opinion is now being agenda driven.
    Some are so far Emery/Raul is the best thing since sliced bread and Wenger is the devil incarnate that they’ve lost all sense of proportion.

    It should be clear to everybody by now that Raul is a poor planner/organiser and an even poorer negotiator. One basic skill of any good negotiator is to be able to establish especially the other party objectives and blockers.

    As repeated by their president numerous times, Saint Etienne number one demand was for Saliba to spend an extra year with them. Yet we kept offering more money to convince them when we should have kept our original offer and started to negotiate the payment schedule.

    Celtic as a question of pride will not let Tierney leave for less than guaranteed 25 millions. 15 millions with 10 millions worth of add-ons and clauses unlikely to be met will not fly. After weeks suddenly somebody (Maybe Edu?) ask the right question. Is Tierney worth 25 millions? Seems that people have realised that better left backs have moved this transfer window for less.

    I can understand why after waiting for so long Emery does not want us to switch to our second choices. Especially if there is a big drop in quality between 1st and 2nd choice. However we have planned so badly our plan of action that even if we were to turn to our second choice now, there is no guarantee that we could get them on time ready for the start of the season. Moreover the other clubs will know that we are desperate and will have us over a barrel.

  90. Valentin

    Gareth Bale has been injured a lot playing in a slower league. I can’t see him having a full EPL season. So half his alleged wage of 600kpw for 2/3 of the season is as bad a deal than we currently have with Özil.

  91. Valentin

    Ceballos is hoping that he will be able to take over from Modric when he finally leave Real Madrid next summer.
    He will have to do an exceptional season to convince Zidane who wanted him sold, but Perez wanted to keep him.
    Hopefully that would play in our favour, but it could also backfires. If he is not straight away in the starting eleven, that may lead to some internal conflict.

  92. Nelson

    I can imagine that if we have a left winger, Monreal or Kola will stay back more often. They may focus on defending and will get better.

  93. Sid

    Un na nasi

    “We let an absolute fortune leave for free after wenger left
    We’ve signed Martinelli and Suarez since Sven left and we are fucking up a crucial transfer window yet again”

    Didn’t Wenger himself say in an interview that players going to their last year of contract and moving for free will become more and more common when asked about players like Ramsey?

    So Wenger and co fuck up, let people go to last year of their contract and it’s Emery’s fault that the club suddenly has no leverage? They either renew on higher wages these already overpaid underperforming players or they walk for free and get a big payday.

    Lemme rephrase that in a way you would understand, your vocabulary being what it is

    You have Wenger’s cock so far up you ass it’s haemorrhaging your brain.

  94. Leedsgunner

    Apparently Bale is moving to China despite being on a wage higher than Özil. I wonder whether it was a condition that Real Madrid pay for a part of Bale’s wages.

  95. Leedsgunner

    Time to move on from Tierney.

    We’ve met their evaluation and they are not taking the proverbial.

    Ricardo Rodriguez would be an excellent alternative.

    Rennes being reported by several outlets of having agreed a deal with Koscielny… they have several young left backs… are they any good? Worth considering a straight swap?

  96. Dark Hei

    Ok, so far we have gotten a guy on loan and another we can’t play next season. We also will not be going after our first choice LB.

    Great.

    Expectations.

    Just kill Bambi and play the teenagers.

  97. China1

    Leeds realistically wages in China might be doable for them. It’s the transfer fee that I’d be curious about

    Tevez was on 400k a year as far back as 2 years ago here, so there is precedent for monstrous wages for past it players

    But with a 100% tax on foreign players and a government push against ‘overspending’ on transfer fees it seems more likely than not the transfer fee would have to be very small by relative standards.

    Or if it’s a loan that makes a lot of sense in light of the above

  98. Leedsgunner

    Tottenham is trying to sign Sessegnon to replace Rose. The price tag is £25m.

    Like I said forget Tierney, sign Sessegnon either for the money or in exchange for Chambers and be done with it. The player is younger and he wants to stay in London…

  99. Carts

    WE

    “Does Emery not have more than one name for each position on the list he gives Raul, etc? Guy is supposedly even more obsessed with watching football than Pep is and after a year in the gig the fruit of his labours when cultivating his transfer wishlist are… Zaha and Tierney…”

    Think seems so out of sync at Arsenal, from the players right through to upper management.

    I think Emery has very little idea if I’m to be totally honest. Those wincing facial expressions he loves to pull, told me all I need to know.

    Slightly surprised we haven’t prioritised getting rid of Mhk and/or Ozil. I’m not talking a little one liner on Goal.com…I’m talking full Zidane-fuck off – mode

  100. Un na naai

    Sid

    Yes. 100% weneger must take his share of the blame for not securing a contract for these players. I’m not disputing that.
    However, emery said he wanted to build his team around Ramsey and then dropped him after two games. This shows me that he really didn’t know what he was getting.
    The club and manager would have been aware of the contract situation and if the manager wasn’t sure on the player then we should have sold for whatever we could get.

    Even £25-30m for Ramsey would have been something. Even £20m is better than nothing. We ended up with nothing because the new regime continued the indecisive approach of the last

    They also failed to notice the value in Adelaide and Bennacer who are now worth £35m between them minimum. Had theybbeen at arsenal those valautaion would be higher considering what Ings and Solanke just went for.

  101. Receding Hairline

    “Arsenal are also struggling to complete a deal to sign Kieran Tierney, Sky Sports News understands.

    Celtic believe Arsenal’s second offer of £18m plus £7m in add-ons is unrealistic because the additional payments are linked to Champions League qualification.

    Celtic believe Arsenal should move on to other targets if they cannot afford Tierney.”

    If indeed the nonsense above was leaked by Celtic then i believe this transfer cannot be concluded in good faith. Celtic took a contemptuous stand from the off with several details of the deal which should be private leaked to the press. We finished two points off third place last season and lost the Europa league final so do not know how champions league qualification can be considered “unrealistic”.

    Even if they feel it is they should keep that to themselves, and the last bit about “moving on to other targets if they cannot afford Tierney” is disrespectful. Competent left-backs are not that hard to find.

  102. Uwot?

    I’m with Leeds idea.At last a sensible alternative.sessignon for £25 million.no add ons.no f*** ng about.just go in & do it quickly.a double snub.to those piss taking jocks & levy & his spuds.what could be better?

  103. Un na naai

    As much as I like sessegnon
    He’s no more a ready made defensive left back than kolasinac is. Is he really what we are after?

  104. Receding Hairline

    “As much as I like sessegnon
    He’s no more a ready made defensive left back than kolasinac is. Is he really what we are after?”

    NO

    We will still be a joke defensively with him in the team. Kid plays like a winger and not a very good one

  105. Samesong

    We will still be a joke defensively with him in the team. Kid plays like a winger and not a very good one

    I actually thought he was a winger RH he plas so far forward.

  106. Receding Hairline

    “I actually thought he was a winger RH he plas so far forward.”

    Yes, so far forward Pierre might actually have a heart attack watching him. And when he is even back defending he isn’t very good at it.

  107. Un na naai

    Yeah we don’t need to be looking at sessegnon as our new left back for the summer. We’d be better off with kolasinac

  108. Un na naai

    So we’re at a stage where we have had bids totalling £85m turned down for two new players

    Something tells me this grand master plan of Raul’s and Emery’s was rather ill conceived

  109. Un na naai

    The Everton news has died a death

    And all we have to show so far is an 18 year old winger and a loan midfielder.
    Hardly scintillating stuff from the dynamic new transfer gang.