Exclusive: The spark that led to the Laurent Koscielny strike situation

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I did think Arsenal jumped the gun with that weird press release about Laurent K going on strike. Seemed a little defensive for something that should have been dealt with in-house like it would have under Arsene.

Anyway, the counter-attack is underway and I was told that there’s more to the story than Laurent bombing preseason because he’s a brat.

Apparently, when he signed his last deal with Arsenal, there was a final year clause that changed things up. Now, don’t hold me to contract details, but the gist was he was paid more than is reported up front, and now he’s in the final year, his salary has dropped to Jenks levels and it’s heavily performance related. I think this is a Huss evolution of doing deals.

He’s going to be 34 in September. He knows he won’t be played much. Holding will come back into the mix, Mustafi and Sokratis are ahead of him, Mavrapanos might come good and even if they’re all out, he’s massively injury prone these days. He thought there was a gentleman’s agreement that he could leave. He has a 3 year deal on the table to head to the south of France. He feels betrayed and is going to gun to get what he wants.

I don’t know why anyone believes in gentleman’s agreements or holds people to account for things they say in the corridor. I don’t know why he signed a deal that moved to performance related in his last year. I don’t know what’s going to happen. But… you can kind of understand why he’s gunning hard to exit here. He’s looking to max out retirement and he’s insecure about his body being able to last another year in the Premier League. He’s also been with us for 9 years and I’d imagine under Wenger, he’d be leaving the club without a fuss.

Again, I’m not sure why we’d hold onto him. He’s not really a big voice at Arsenal, he’s never been a leader and we shouldn’t be depending on someone with his injury record at his age. This isn’t us keeping John Terry behind. However, I guess Arsenal are looking at his as value for money if he’s on £45k a week.

It’s also an interesting contract evolution. Pay players more in the upfront, then make sure the final year isn’t pleasant. You either resign to get more money, or you give 100% focus and don’t mail it in so you make up the lost revenue. Clever on paper for sure.

I do worry about the culture at Arsenal and what all of this says about us.

We’re trying to move the club into a space where kids can learn their trade and grow into elite performers.

What are they learning at Arsenal? Who is guiding them?

You have 3-5 players who are here because they love their contracts.

Our captain is on strike.

The next in line for the armband is Xhaka, a player everyone knows isn’t good enough.

The biggest player at the club hates the manager, doesn’t turn up for big away days and is very publicly digging his heels in to stay.

Is any of this inspiring for young people? Does any of this look like good education? Are we creating the right environment to grow the best athletes?

In a game of paper-thin margins, these things matter.

Never mind that we’re a total shit show right now, the bigger concern for at the minute is how rotten our culture is and much hard work and future planning needs to be implemented to course correct us to a Champions League final in 5 years time.

Right, see you in the comments. x

 

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  1. Marc

    Pedro

    Interesting – if the contract loading is true and it’s something that we’re looking to apply to other players then that’s a really good move. Players heading into the last year of their contracts are going to be far more likely to make a move rather than wait to go on a free.

    The exact type of smart play we need to start being introduced at Arsenal.

  2. Rainman

    lol, this is Arsenal bruh, 1st ain’t the trophy, 4th is. So you would find that I actually got the trophy

  3. Guns of SF

    Kos is no leader as much as folks think he is…
    at a players only meeting during Wengers last year, didnt he break down and start crying? No leadership there for the veteran player.

    Sell for what we can get for him. His contract was done by Ivan and Wenger Im pretty sure- do we know when he signed the extension?

  4. Marko

    That doesn’t sound right does it. He signed a contract that had his final year wages dropped and became performance related? That doesn’t sound right. Reports suggest that they were trying to get him to sign a new deal that was for less and performance related and for 2 years which makes sense why he wants out cause there’s a French club offering him more money and 3 years. Basically it stinks of a player who thinks I’ve given you 9 years of service let me go for nothing so I can get this nice deal in France and the club deciding well we kinda wanted you for one more season but you can go if someone pays for you. That’s how it seems to me. I don’t feel like the have done anything wrong in this instance. Koscielny was wrong to do what he did he should have gone about things differently he shouldn’t have refused to go on tour and he should told Bordeaux look you’re going to have to bid something for me even if it ate into the new deal he was working on. But instead he went on strike to force the move. He’ll get his move eventually but it’s going to cost him it already is. Between this and the comments he made after the France world cup win the real Laurent Koscielny has come out and oh my is he a prick

  5. Marc

    Marko

    I have no idea if the contract details are true and heard the same as you about a new contract being performance weighted but it would be a great thing to bring in. You want to keep a player offer him a fat new deal, if he won’t sign he’s easier to sell. Imagine if Ozil’s contract had his wages dropping to £75 per week for the last year of the deal? He’d be looking for a transfer instead of just looking to see out the deal.

  6. Champagne Charlie

    Makes even less sense that we want 10 mil for him, also makes any sellable value that much less given his final year is worth fractions of the 5 mil his previous base salary would’ve meant.

    So again, we’re treating a 9 year exemplary pro with no class because we’ve botched things so bad we’re utterly desperate to keep 33 year old achilles of Lorient yore.

  7. Un na naai

    Cc

    There’s nobody to get bums off seats next season Maybe Nelson or another youth player can have a Michael Owen-esque effect. One can but dream. We need something to excite us. Just shows how spoiled we have been since 1996 though eh with the quality and skill we’ve been exposed to regularly at Highbury and the Emirates.

  8. Pedro

    CC, seems like an interesting contract evolution.

    Give players a little more in the upfront, then either ensure they sign a new deal in the last year… or they put their all into playing and don’t mail it in.

    It’s like the club are making the last year of a deal tough to live with. Which is par the course based on what Raul is talking about in the press.

  9. Nelson

    Thanks Pedro!

    That clarifies it. Kos wouldn’t do that if he didn’t feel betrayed?

    A poster attacked me for raising my question. He can get lost. I’ll continue to express my opinion. You’ll never find me caught up in meaningless arguments.

  10. Guns of SF

    why on earth is it taking so long to get any deals done…. I agree with Pedro…. the last week or so, has really made me scratch my head on what the heck is happening

    Either Arsenal are masters at the smokescreen- keeping everyone in the dark or they just flat out suck ass when it comes to transfers-

    Our so called specialist- Raul – what the fuck
    Vinai- what are you doing
    Edu- must be thinking what did i sign up for

  11. Guns of Hackney

    I’ve seen more culture in a dirty shower.

    The fact is, we are *cough* a professional outfit and this isn’t 1740 and gentleman’s agreements don’t exist in the real world. If I tell you I won’t sleep with your hot, up for it wife while you’re away on business, I’m lying. I absolutely will.

    Fuck Kos. Make an example of this hillbilly from ligue 2 and make it hard. Every man jack at this club will be thinking “mmmnnn…I’m trash, but if I chuck a wobbler, I’ll get a better deal or my dream move to Everton”.

    Where’s emery? What’s Edu doing?

    Arsenal are actively making themselves unlovable. What decent player would ever want to come here? Seriously. If you’re a kid, you won’t get coached. If your at 25 you aren’t throwing your prime years away at Banter FC.

    We’ve all said it but holy cow, we are absolutely screwed. With the start we have in the PL, I can see us really struggling to reach top 6/7 this year. Once the defeats start rolling in, this team will fold faster than superman on laundry day.

  12. Gentlebris

    Ok calm down Groovers.

    The three musketeers are apparently meeting the generous old man in the States any moment from now.
    Expect action after.

    I don’t care one bit about Saliba if we don’t get him to come here immediately, but for those who do, rest easy lads. Spuds buying him is more likely agent’s fire stoking than actual news.

    We will get some exciting incomings, you can bet your grandmother’s hat on that because Kroenke knows what happens otherwise would bite him big in the bottom. The only thing we will not get is exciting departures, and boy do we need that!

    Ozil, Xhaka, Mikki and Mustafi are here to fuck Arsenal up at least until January TW.

  13. Un na naai

    Pedro

    Someone mentioned before (and it was a good idea) about doing a weekly piece on past glories, performances and results from the vaults.

    Leeds 5-1
    Liverpool 4-2
    Chelsea 3-2

    A little positivity as there is nothing to cheer about in July 2019

  14. Un na naai

    I’ve seen more culture in a dirty shower.

    Guns

    Obviously been to Bangkok then? Or is that hackney?

  15. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    I’m all for the evolution on the administrative side, it protects the clubs interests ultimately and won’t see that fat cat Ozil situation frustrating all.

    However, as with anything there’s balance. I personally don’t like the idea a player gives us his best years and near a decade, for us to drag him through the mud because of our own desperate failures. We should be biting our lip and negotiating a departure for Kos out of good will. 9 year stays aren’t commonplace.

    Not a good look that the club wages a media war with its club captain, all the moreso when the relative value of his contract is considerably less than even the maximum 5 mil his previous terms suggest. But of course you have some thinking it’s dead cool to act tough or some other such nonsense. As I’ve said previously, this isn’t Torreira or Chambers, it’s a veteran but part player that’s given us 9 years. It’s daft.

  16. Un na naai

    Cc

    100% with you on kos.

    Pedro. What’s wrong with a gentleman’s agreement? I’m all for contracts and what have you but what is the world coming to if two men can’t reach an honorable verbal agreement?

  17. Wallace

    Champagne Charlie

    “Disagree about Laca with his back to goal, he’s miles better than Auba in that regard and I wouldn’t offer Auba being a threat in behind as a counter balance because his threat as that goes hasn’t been prevalent at all since he’s got here.”

    baffling how little we’ve seen of Auba in behind the defence, especially with Ozil there

  18. Gentlebris

    ‘He’s also been with us for 9 years and I’d imagine under Wenger, he’d be leaving the club without a fuss.’

    Wenger’s father-son handling of stuffs is partly responsible for where Arsenal are today. That’s why some Turk is milking us for £350,000 a week while hardly making contributions that justify a fifth of that bread.

  19. Un na naai

    Wallace
    It’s down to emery’s tactics
    Aubameyang and lacazette were devastating off the shoulder vs Valencia

    It’s how we should be playing with those two but it doesn’t suit whatever philosophy it is he’s trying to implement clearly.

    Can’t wait til emery is gone. What a waste of time he’s been

  20. Pedro

    CC, I agree with you on that.

    I think we’re making too much of a fuss about a player that’ll offer us next to no value next season.

    Move him on.

  21. Un na naai

    That’s why some Turk is milking us for £350,000 a week while hardly making contributions that justify a fifth of that bre

    😳
    Oooooooo. You’re not allowed to say thing like that Bris. Especially when you’re preaching from your horse about such comments previously

  22. Pedro

    Un, there’s nothing wrong with those agreements… but they are open to interpretation.

    ‘If an acceptable offer comes in’

    … can be open to interpretation.

    But 10m for a 33 year old is absurd.

  23. Guns of Hackney

    At least the Kos debacle is deflecting attention away from the fact we still haven’t signed anyone. And no, that Brazilian kid doesn’t count…unless he’s Pele and he isn’t.

    Pete Doherty is more organised than we are.

  24. Gentlebris

    ‘However, as with anything there’s balance. I personally don’t like the idea a player gives us his best years and near a decade, for us to drag him through the mud because of our own desperate failures. We should be biting our lip and negotiating a departure for Kos out of good will. 9 year stays aren’t commonplace.’

    He picked millions everyone of those nine years.
    We were a big club, we signed him from a way smaller outfit, giving him a chance to make his name on our platform.
    Kos works for Arsenal the way every employee at Arsenal works for Arsenal, all being paid but Kos more than most.

    You don’t imagine the club should now put Kos’ interest above the club’s.

    And he should be his age and understand the club could give him a privilege in such circumstances, but it’s never his right to claim.
    Kos is doing a disservice in the open, making it clear he has no respect for his contract and you think the club should cave in so that other younger players see it as the way to go?

  25. Wallace

    Un na naai

    “Wallace
    It’s down to emery’s tactics
    Aubameyang and lacazette were devastating off the shoulder vs Valencia”

    yes, they were, but I’m not really a fan of playing two #9s together. if money is as tight as it seems to be I’d reluctantly sell Auba and buy Zaha for a better balanced side.

  26. Gentlebris

    ‘Oooooooo. You’re not allowed to say thing like that Bris. Especially when you’re preaching from your horse about such comments previously’

    Nothing I said reeks of racism like yours, my good friend. I only said ‘Turk’ same way I would say Brit, Aussie or Yankee.

    How have you been of late anyway?

  27. terraloon

    As I mentioned the other day I remember an interview with Kos a year or more ago where he talked about returning to France to play but not at the end of his current contract but with a year to run.
    Others are right a gentleman s agreement if there was one is worth nil but not honouring one is far from clever.

  28. Guns of SF

    lets put together a package deal for Kos to his buying team
    Add Mustafi etc. etc… perhaps they have some players we can use!
    But then again, that makes too much sense for Arsenal

  29. Patnevin

    Forget challenging the rest of the “top 6”. From here on in it’s a top 5 and arsenal have joined the next tier down. You can argue with that all you want but I’ll ask you this….at this moment in time do you think the team is ahead of Wolves’ and Everton’ line ups? Leicester have just paid £40m for Tielermans (butchered his name I know) and will fight tooth and nail to keep hold of Maguire. Add in Maddison, an improving Gray and Barnes and they also look set to fight arsenal for places. Tottenham, Liverpool and City will be the top 3 because they’re the best three clubs in the league in players, managers and structure. Utd have the funding to buy 4th and Chelsea have 5th written all over them even with Lampard in charge. Arsenal are fast becoming a shell of their former selves and it’s self inflicted. Things were going to be so much better once crusty old Wenger left and took his stupid talk of 4th being success.

  30. Champagne Charlie

    Wallace
    Hello mate, good to see you. I agree, we’ve not seen enough of that, but it’s not totally on Auba imo. Very stale approach last season, our best stuff came off the cuff.

    Gentlebris
    Have to disagree, where he came from and his wages are irrelevant. He delivered for Arsenal (subjective notions aside) and became club captain. He’s been paid the going rate in his profession, that’s like dismissing a desk clerk giving a place 20 years because they were paid 35k per annum.

    The intangible element is what the club should “reward” in good faith, because it says to others that you give us your best of your career and we will appreciate you for it. Not this unnecessary pantomime of shite because we’re utterly swirling the toilet in our recruitment strategy.

  31. Dream10

    Wallace

    Welcome back. Hope you’re well.
    Don’t understand why the club hired Emery if the club planned to keep two 50m pound #9s. He is a 4-2-3-1. They had CL qualification in their eyes and saw a regular Europa League winner as the solution. The decision makers at the club are below average.

  32. Rambo Ramsey

    Arsenal have utterly embarrassed themselves in this episode.

    The only ones who disagree are unemployed chumps like Marko who can’t see things from a employee pov.

  33. Guns of Hackney

    Dream

    Emery was a guy who wouldn’t make waves and tie the line. He was humiliated at PSG and Arsenal found an easy, no hassle mark to fill the gap.

    Uninspired signing.

  34. CG

    PedRo closes the week with a cracking little Exclusive .

    You dont get this debate, this drama ,these details anywhere other than the majestic Le Grove.

    And I off course thank him for it…

    I dont do Exclusives
    But I do Hunches.

    My hunch is Kos has been in touch with AW.

    As someone who regularly tackled and blocked with his testicles by fault or mishap. I think Kos has more balls than Raul and Co. might have estimated

    My hunch is….. Kos will make their life as difficult as possible.

    After all- He is in The Right. He has just done a stretch of 9! He deserves his Parole!

    And They are in The Wrong.

    Will we look back in time – and observe that it was Captain Kos actions that ultimately got the previous manager back in the club in some capacity?

    Now, would not that be Real Black Arts?

    Surely The Kroenkes will note- it was better ( far from perfect -granted ) when Wenger was our figurehead!?

    He most certainly would have had this Saliba in The Bag .

    Ticking Tocking.

  35. Dream10

    Guns

    Uninspired signing by big Ivan Gazidis.
    He’s a great match for this uninspiring club. We’re a shit show.

  36. englandsbest

    The Kos stand-off reminds me of the RVP situation – except Robin was exceptional, and everyone loved him, whereas nobody gives much of a damn if Kos goes or stays. So a broken romance versus a wave of goodbye.

    A storm in a tea-cup, you might say.

    But just as Robin’s departure was a clear signal that Arsenal no longer competed with the best, the Kos stand-off seems to me to be a sign that we no longer compete with the near-best. It’s the behaviour of a club that belongs somewhere in the middle of the table. Small-minded.

  37. Marko

    So again, we’re treating a 9 year exemplary pro with no class

    You’ll have to reevaluate what an exemplary pro is honestly

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Dream

    An earlier post I said we would be lucky to get 6/7 this season but I think it could be worse. Our club is in mutiny. The board don’t care, the manager is no where to be seen, the players want out, the players want to stay (for obvious non football reasons) and the fans don’t have a clue.

    I’m trying to think of a situation like this that’s happened before…where a sporting club has literally gone from hero to zero without the loss of a team, say to an accident or something.

    Someone needs to turn the lights out at Arsenal.

  39. Elmo

    “why on earth is it taking so long to get any deals done….”

    We were told the club were waiting for the Adidas deal to commence to announce the new signings. Then we were told the club were holding back for Edu’s arrival to reveal the new arrivals. Is the truth of the matter that 29th July, Stan Kroenke’s birthday, is the big day the club have been holding back all the goodies until?

    Or is the truth that, at present, we have less money than 80% of PL clubs earmarked for transfers, and so we have to wait for the bigger fish to feed and then see what scraps we can get hold of at the end?

  40. Marc

    “The Kos stand-off reminds me of the RVP situation – except Robin was exceptional, and everyone loved him”

    People have got fucking short memories on here. RVP was with the club for 8 seasons 7 of which he was regularly injured. Low and behold he then manages a fully fit season with a year left on his deal and forces a move. First season at ManU fit – Fergie leaves and he’s injured again.

  41. Champagne Charlie

    “How much of the blame for the atmosphere among the players, do you put down to Emery ?“

    Impossible to quantify, if at all. But one thing I’d be very confident of, and that’s he’s no help in galvanising the group.

    I poke fun at Brenda for being average, but even he seems more attuned to EQ in modern management – which is a painful admission.

  42. CG

    I actually think Edu will be In touch with AW too- once his jet lagged feet get under the table.

    In fact – he would not be doing his job properly – if he didn’t pick his ex Boss brains , wisdom and experience.

    After all – if you were Edu – who would you want to garner advice from?

    A slippery Spiv or one of the all time great managers.??
    No Brainer, ain’t it Walt?

  43. Marc

    Pedro

    I agree we shouldn’t have sold to ManU but doesn’t change the history of the players actions though does it?

    What part of my comment was incorrect?

  44. Dream10

    Elmo

    For Tierney, personal terms have been agreed, it’s just that Celtic want more money. Dangerous game to play with Utd possibly in the market for one with Shaw injury prone and Young the only other alternative.

  45. Marc

    I’ve just realised what’s going on.

    Can’t believe someone didn’t spot it earlier to be honest.

    CG is Tony Attwood – Le Grove’s being trolled by another site getting revenge for slagging Wenger off for all those years and the only one who doesn’t think he should be banned is Pedro.

    Irony doesn’t come close.

  46. Marko

    I kinda wish we did bring back Wenger honestly. I feel like we deserve it or some people deserve it more than others

  47. salparadisenyc

    Nobody wants Wenger back, time has marched on Tony do the same.

    Koz being untenable definitely throws a wrench it seems they were trying to milk another season from him then bring Saliba in. Add salt with Spurs trying to hijack deal really puts everything on hold until thats sorted for better or worse.

    Now looks a cert that Mustafi will stay and perhaps Chambers as well with Koz out the door.

    Raul is looking very Trump / Art of the no deal as things stand.

  48. Marc

    Marko

    Outside of the club we desperately need 2 things to happen.

    1) Wenger to get another job and fail miserably – I’m talking sacked after 4 matches with a record of 4 losses scored 1 conceded 23.

    2) Arteta to take a job and be really average at least then Pedro will re focus.

  49. CG

    Wengers time should have been up had we chose the right man to replace him.
    Eg
    Arteta/Ancelotti/Vieria/Rafa

    We didn’t.
    The Spiv chose a Clown. It was the worst decision the club has ever made in its history
    And it will have consequences

    WHO are KSE are going to turn to when they know Ivan’s Chum ain’t up to the task of Running The Arsenal?

    They only know Wenger!

    Think Rumble in The Jungle
    ’74…Zaire
    Mohammed Ali…. that’s Arsene Wenger!…

  50. Marc

    Marko

    Well I think Wenger’s actually decided it’s time to call it a day. He had no offers and I think he’s decided do I need the hassle.

    Now Arteta’s a different story at some point he’s got to take the stabilisers (training wheels to our American friends) off. If he doesn’t it says a great deal about the confidence he has in his own ability.

  51. Chitom

    CGJuly 13, 2019 16:16:37
    PedRo closes the week with a cracking little Exclusive .You dont get this debate, this drama ,these details anywhere other than the majestic Le Grove.And I off course thank him for

    Dude, you really need to take it down a notch.
    Think how very uncomfortable must it be for Pedro to walk around with your head stuck so far up his backside.

  52. Marko

    Well I think Wenger’s actually decided it’s time to call it a day. He had no offers and I think he’s decided do I need the hassle.

    Nah he got the memo everyone decided they were never going to hire him.

  53. TOLI83

    Marc – love that.

    My fear is to cap off our summer, Edu’s first move is to rehire Wenger as head of recruitment!!!

  54. Akan

    If there was a verbal agreement between the two parties that he could leave in the final year of his contract, he has every right to expect the club to honor that obligation to him. A verbal agreement is a contract and can be established in law. The only contracts that have to be in writing are those involving real property. So he is most likely in the right to hold them to their commitment

  55. Micheal

    Step back from the hysterics over Koscienly and see that whole episode is a perfect example of how badly managed we have become.
    Bottom line is that Arsenal cannot even offload a man who has given decent service for 9 years and has been lining up to leave for at least two years.
    We couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse.

  56. Gentlebris

    ‘The only ones who disagree are unemployed chumps like Marko who can’t see things from a employee pov.’

    Or the ones who run their own outfits and understand that an organization’s interest should be placed far above the interest of even the best of employees

  57. Micheal

    “A verbal agreement is a contract and can be established in law. ”

    To quote Sam Goldwyn many years ago, a verbal contract ain’t worth the paper it’s written on.

  58. Marc

    Akan

    The problem there is it gets down to semantics – Arsenal say we said he could leave if a reasonable offer came in ie one that matched our valuation. A courts not going to see Kos as being in some sort of forced labour when he’s pulling in millions per year.

  59. Dissenter

    Batistuta
    What’s up man
    Cheer up. It’s not like we are battling for relegation😀😀😀

    I wonder why we didn’t try to get Delph. He’s going to be another steady reliable. no-frills player, like Milner had been for Liverpool

  60. Elmo

    The image that has always sprung to mind when I see CG, the Cape Town codger’s writing, is of the bellicose Saffa OAP giving it the big’un in a golf clubhouse, before being punched through a window by another OAP he accused.

  61. Dissenter

    Let Koscielny go for £2-3 million or let him buy back the last year of his contract which is worth £4-5 million.
    Bring an end to this silly standoff. Everyone knows he’s leaving this summer, whichever way it ends

  62. Marko

    Yeah best to get any kind of agreements written down and signed cause you know the thing about verbal agreements it’s basically your word against theirs

  63. Moray

    If Koz didn’t plan to honour the contract then he shouldn’t have signed it. Had we qualified for CL then maybe we could have afforded to replace him this year and he could have been let go. As club captain he must take his fair share of the blame for our failure last season.

    With 40m and 4-5 first team positions desperately needing filled, we probably just can’t afford his replacement this year, though perhaps Saliba is earmarked for that job next season. I suspect Emery is planning to get 20 games out of him next year.

  64. Moray

    When Kos leaves, I wonder if the club will choose someone else entirely unsuitable for the job or whether they will put it out for public vote? Or maybe Emery will just leave it to the five leaders on the pitch, all of whom we tried to get rid of this summer.

  65. Marko

    Between that and the oat milk stuff I feel like we’ve turned a corner Pedro. So much so that if I come across a watermelon IPA I’ll give it a go. 10 watermelons I’ll say

  66. KAY Boss

    In all this brouhaha, why didn’t we go for Fabian Delph? Mobile and responsible on his duties. Delph and Torreira would have giving us a good midfield. Financially, he can be had. no one should give me the age excuse. We are operating within our said budget.

  67. Gentlebris

    I can’t believe guys here are this confused. How many players have Chelsea, Liverpool, United, Madrid, Bayern let off without fulfilling their contracts?
    How is Arsenal’s behavior bad in all of this?

    You wanted our club to be properly run, you wanted some ruthless decisions, you wanted to see some hard line statements. And now the first move by the club to announce that we will no longer be pushed around comes across as bad to people here? People here and not people on Untold. Here of all places?

    You have to sit me down and lecture me hard on why we have to waive a potential £5m income just to satisfy a guy who works here for 9 years when we need every penny we can raise to bring the squad back to some decent level.

    Arsenal don’t say Kos can’t go and grab money wherever he wants, but we are saying we need money too and people should pay if they want a player we have under contract.

  68. Chika

    Marc

    It’s already been talked about to death. You’re only spoiling for an argument because it doesn’t suit your line of thought.

  69. Chika

    Gentlebris

    “Arsenal don’t say Kos can’t go and grab money wherever he wants, but we are saying we need money too and people should pay if they want a player we have under contract.”

    Have the new regime been behaving like a club that’s prudent with money? How much did the pointless signing of the unfit Denis Suarez cost us?

  70. Marc

    Pedro

    I’ve just had the same comment not show up twice – there was no offensive language etc.

    Why do some comments seem to randomly get blocked sometimes?

  71. Marc

    “Have the new regime been behaving like a club that’s prudent with money? How much did the pointless signing of the unfit Denis Suarez cost us?”

    Doesn’t mean we should throw good money after bad.

  72. salparadisenyc

    As long as long as club are operating under premise Koz is gone were good, whatever they get which surely won’t be much after clubs public statement then take it.

    Or cancel his deal if saga drags and becomes distraction.

    I caned those Montauk Watermelon IPAs in the summer sun last weekend, dangerous stuff.

  73. Gentlebris

    ‘Have the new regime been behaving like a club that’s prudent with money? How much did the pointless signing of the unfit Denis Suarez cost us?’

    So we made a wrong decision and we must make another wrong decision to justify the first one?

  74. Chika

    Marc

    “No I disagree with you but I was curious as to your train of thought.”

    OK let’s keep paying the wages of an injury ridden unmotivated 34year old veteran because he “refused” us earning a hefty £2-3M from his sale. Let’s show him who’s the boss.

  75. Marc

    Chika

    It’s not about showing Kos who’s boss – it’s about demonstrating to the other players there’s a way to behave at the club.

  76. Chika

    “So we made a wrong decision and we must make another wrong decision to justify the first one?”

    This is another wrong decision! We have more pressing needs.

  77. jwl

    It sounds like Kos thought he had gentleman agreement with people who no longer work for Arsenal and new crew are playing hardball.

    Is the watermelon IPA delicious? I don’t normally like fruity beers but for some reason watermelon ipa sounds awesome and I will look for them in beer store.

  78. Gentlebris

    ‘WHO are KSE are going to turn to when they know Ivan’s Chum ain’t up to the task of Running The Arsenal?They only know Wenger’

    The nurses over there are not doing their jobs, and someone should have them queried. They shouldn’t let this person go near a computer.

    Hope C.G can’t access any sharp object anyway.
    He is clearly a danger to others.

  79. Dissenter

    Villa are spending money like Fulham did last summer but they are investing more on a back line.
    Next season will be interesting, just seeing the impact of the crazy money smaller clubs have these days.

  80. KAMP

    I think that is is shaping up I be a make or break summer for us. Saliba is a bell weather moment, should he choose the spuds over us AFTER a contact was agreed it will be a major embarrassment to the new executive.

    Similarly if these fairly ambitious transfer targets fail to materialise (Zaha, Ceballos, Tierney) and the centre half issue – which has just had a can of gasoline tipped over it by our wantaway captain – will further point to a disorganised rudderless club in termoil.

    You will note I’ve not mentioned the manager here, he gets a raw deal here at le grove, but I’m certainly one who gets behind his manager. The players cost us top four last season with a shocking collapse.

    This summer would have been markedly difference if we were able to offer CL football.

    Still let’s hope big conversations are being had this weekend in the states and Monday morning we come out guns blazing and confirm a slew of deal from those we’ve involved with.

  81. Dissenter

    Arsenal have to make a stand at some point. The fever had to break. I’m glad they stood up to Kos.
    You pick your battles and make an example of this one player then everyone else will know they are in a for a fight when they decide to use bullying tactics.

    This had to be Edu putting his mark on very early.

  82. Chika

    Marc

    “It’s not about showing Kos who’s boss – it’s about demonstrating to the other players there’s a way to behave at the club.”

    Exactly! The players would learn not to trust “gentleman’s agreements” with the club.

  83. Gentlebris

    ‘Villa are spending money like Fulham did last summer but they are investing more on a back line.’

    Smart I would say.

    Focusing on making yourself hard to beat is more sensible than focusing on how to beat others, especially in this league, and it’s cheaper and easier to achieve.

  84. Dissenter

    KAMP
    Saliba won’t be the first player to pick Spurs over is us.
    Rafael van der Vaart and Vertonghen are two players that easily come to mind.

    Personally, I think Arsenal should walk away. If they decide to go behind our back to talk to our hated rivals after extensive negotiations and a draft agreement …then we ought to walk away.

    Who’s Saliba again?
    An 18 year old potential prospect. There’s no embarrassment there.
    There are other fishes left in the pond.

  85. Dissenter

    Any player who trusts an agreement not written on paper isn’t the smartest bulb in the room.
    Have an agreement over a formal dinner, grab the napkin or your pocket squares and write a quick basic contract for both parties to sign.
    Verbal agreement? Doesn’t Kos have an agent who has access to an attorney?

    The verbal agreement stuff is just BS. Which player does them in this age and time?

  86. Wallace

    Dream10

    “Don’t understand why the club hired Emery if the club planned to keep two 50m pound #9s. He is a 4-2-3-1.”

    yeah, and it’s why I have some sympathy for him. hopefully we can bring in Tierney, Zaha/Malcom & a good CB and he can play in his prefered formation.

  87. Dissenter

    I think it’s time for Serena to call it quits.
    It’s obvious she’s past our time. She won’t have any problems making a transitions after retirement.

  88. Dissenter

    The new crew haven’t shown enough imagination nor taken any risks this window.
    It’s like they are trying to squeeze every juice from an old racing horse before she is sold off f=to Chinese butchers .

  89. Dream10

    Dissenter

    This Koscielny saga is 100% Raul. The man told Abidal he was free to go a few weeks after a liver transplant.

  90. Dissenter

    Wallace
    Was it dark when Vertoghen chose Spuds over us?
    The darkness is that they are operating at a higher level than is and playing in a bigger stage at the moment.
    Me thinks you guys over too focused on the symptoms.

    Spurs have Foyth who is proving to be an astute signing. I’m not sure why they need to bust the bank on Saliba unless it’s just to mess with us.

    Had this been a proven player then it would hurt. Saliba was a risk we wanted to take. We can still follow mahatma model and get other players.

  91. Marc

    Chitka

    “Exactly! The players would learn not to trust “gentleman’s agreements” with the club.”

    Yeah we should encourage players to trust verbal agreements over written contracts.

  92. WengerEagle

    Dissenter

    Where are the fresh new signings you promised us weeks back?

    Told me and Batistuta that we were being hysterical little girls, well the PL literally kicks off in 4 weeks now.

  93. Marc

    Once again Chelsea’s transfer ban is a blessing because it’ll force them to use some youth players.

    Why doesn’t the Kos situation mean the same to Arsenal if we don’t sign another CB? We have Chambers and Mavropanos.

  94. Billp79

    HERE”S HOW IT IS;
    Sign Tierney and Sabeilla….4 years down the road it will be a bargain .
    They know it… we know it…pay a little over the odds… their young and obviously teachable.
    Buy out clause around 3 times the over all contract terms…reduced at the discretion of the Arsenal year by year…
    Don’t get engages with prema donnas anymore…..anyone who doesn’t tow the company line…put on the block.
    3 losses for Emery by Sept. and hand the reigns over to Freddie.
    If Ozil doesn’t contribute…whats the point of keeping his salary…freeze him out and trade pennies on the dollar
    everyone should be on 5 year deal and Arsenal should be looking to first team them adfter 2…or move on after 3
    Pi

  95. Wallace

    Dissenter

    “Wallace, Was it dark when Vertoghen chose Spuds over us?”

    they’ve been extracting more from their players for a while now, and if they’re also offering more for players than we are, then yeah, that’s new, and depressing as f*ck

  96. Dissenter

    Dream
    100% Raul
    How so?
    The player wants a cushy exit … the club says no that we deserve to get something for you. What am I missing in this picture?

    Same thing happened to Sergio Ramos, captain of Madrid who’s won everything for them in his 14 long years there.
    He wanted to transfer to Chinese club on a free transfer as a reward and Florentino Pérez refused saying that the club has to get something from him. He didn’t go on striker and will probably leave in January.

    ‘That information about Abidal is false
    ‘”He is pleased Barca are keen to negotiate an extension. (Director of football) Raul Sanllehi and (sporting director) Andoni Zubizarreta have been exceptional.”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/european/8403178/Barcelonas-Eric-Abidal-on-road-to-recovery-after-surgery-to-remove-tumour.html

    Raul was the one who mentored Eric Abidal and Carols Puyol for managemen after they retired. I don’t know what your really getting at.

  97. Billp79

    Zaha is his agents smoke screen…never could cut it in PL regardless of his attitude….weve got better at the club right now

  98. Billp79

    I remind you that we would have taken 3rd place had it not been for our own failings….Tots are shit

  99. Dissenter

    Wenger eagle
    We signed the great Martinelli, the new Ronaldo
    The Glasgow boy may be on the way
    What’s not to like. Besides you typically fret in the summer window like a post menopausal head mistress, it’s Batistuta who whines like a prepubertal girl 😜

  100. KAMP

    Dissenter

    Fail points. If he turns out to be Van Dyke 2.0 it will be costly loss though.
    Just keen that we do make some statements signings particularly in defence.

    I’d take Umtiti for 50m

  101. WengerEagle

    Anyone else spooked by that cheesy smile plane photo of Xhaka and Mustafi on the tour?

    We’re not getting rid of the fuckers are we? May even have to swallow Xhaka as skipper lol.

  102. Dissenter

    Marc
    I see you’re tying to milk a stone there. There’s no conversation to be had there. Better to move on.

  103. WengerEagle

    Dissenter

    Yeah Bati needs to up his period game for sure.

    In all seriousness it’s starting to look like we lack a clue wouldn’t you have to agree at this stage?

  104. Dream10

    Dissenter

    Thanks for correcting me on the Abidal information. I think Raul is the one who is in charge with the Kroenkes away. He’s the one who is responsible for the Official Statement regarding Koscielny.

  105. Dissenter

    Wenger Eagle
    I think these players know what the fans think of them and they just enjoy trolling is.
    We want them out but can’t do a damn thing about it not unless we want to pay them to leave.
    It’s the power of contracts man.

  106. Marc

    WE

    As I said the other day you can’t let the press run that Arsenal have a tiny transfer budget of £40 – £45 million for months and then fail to spend it.

    It would be beyond stupid and would certainly lead to his position being close to untenable.

    I’ll be honest I have no idea what the fuck is going on – if Sanllehi is playing hardball that’s fine so long as he pulls it off. If the fans don’t see at least 3 first team players come in I think the club will be close to fans boycotting matches as early as late September. The reception in the early home games won’t be great either and with the window closing before the season starts there won’t be an opportunity to do a late dash to paper over the cracks if early results don’t go to plan.

  107. Marc

    Dissenter

    Assume you were referring to my comment on youth players?

    I’m not suggesting it’s the perfect solution more a case of so many on here have double standards that basically amount to: everything Arsenal do = rubbish – everything everyone else does = amazing.

  108. salparadisenyc

    Steady now.

    Dissenter took a pot shot at me yesterday for asking a few question of Raul and Co then fled.

  109. Dissenter

    Wenger Eagle
    I said it earlier on
    The new team haven’t shown any I,agunation, are lacking inventivenes and aren’t willing to take risks.
    The only fight they’ve picked is with the quiet past it player who refused to stay an extra year.
    Asking Kos to stay an extra year is daft to begin with because he’s finished at this level. They also kept Monreal who will easily get a role on the walking dead set without practice,

    I think we will find our way eventually, maybe by accident.
    I am just too realistic to be disappointed. Wenger and Gazidis left a mess for them.