Lucas Vázquez over Wilfried Zaha?

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Arsenal kicked off preseason with an U23 draw against Boreham Wood. Top geezer, banter king and all round top boy John Jules saved the day with two goals. Lovely. Nice to see the kids can’t defend either.

Today we have to get into the bed with the cold hard reality that Lucas Vasquez might be a thing. Madrid want rid of a wide player who was a big part of the team in one of their worst years in the last decade.

His statistics look about as sexy as those of the pretty boy from Barcelona. Last season, the 28-year-old Spaniard dropped a whopping 5 goals and 4 assists in 47 appearances. His minutes clock up to 29.5 games. That’s a seriously pony return for someone playing for Madrid. The numbers are a little better if you go back a few seasons, he was making a contribution every 121 minutes the two season before, which is better than Iwobi, but still not exciting.

My concern with this rumour is two fold.

Firstly, it’s us giving up on Zaha. Which could be seen as a whatever moment. Zaha’s numbers aren’t that exciting, his average minutes per contribution are worse than that of Vasquez, sitting at 169 minutes per contribution over the past three years. Even his best year was 154 minutes. However, he’s playing for Crystal Palace, so that has to be considered. Anyway, Zaha is only one year younger, but he plays more minutes and knows the league.

Secondly, if we go down this route, it basically means we’ve given up on proper scouting and we’re well and truly burying our snouts in the bargain bins of Europe. The player picks up a fairly small wage for Madrid standards, but you’d imagine we’ll be giving him a massive bump, some places reporting £180k a week.

Still, if you’re Emery and you’re being allowed to sign these types of players, who would you blow your money on, £30m on Vasquez, who has 183 starts for Madrid… or a £80m Zaha?

It feels bland to me, but hey, anyone is better than the no one we have lined up at the moment.

If we’re looking to the more positive options we have on the table, you could think that Arsenal are going to invest in youth this season.

Reiss Nelson had a team contribution every 78 minutes. Sure, it’s in a weaker league, but that’s exciting to read. Worth noting he scored that off a very low amount of shots. He scored 5 from his first 6 shots during his loan, which means he’s either the most elite finisher to grace the game, or he found a lucky streak.

A player I think could be a big talent for us at some point is Bukayo Saka. He’s fast, has a fantastic left foot and looks like a very exciting prospect. Are we not due a breakout teenager at some point? Would Emery consider blooding either of the two above? It’d certainly be more popular than Iwobi clogging up the right week after week.

The we also have salt of the earth diamond gem, John Jules. 29 goals in 54 appearances last season, he’s very young, but hey, PSG and Juve are interested. At the very least he deserves to be on tour, at the very most, maybe he’s the greatest player to grace an Arsenal shirt since the MIGHTY Jack Jebb?

Whoever we sign wide right and left this summer, at least we know there are two kids coming through that could potentially impose themselves on the first team. I just hope they find the courage to make it happen, I love Eddie, he has it all, but he’s been desperately unlucky so far. We need him to find his feet next season for sure.

ESR is also back from a pretty bland loan move at Leipzig, I believe the German club wanted to sign him but we refused. Can he make an impact on Emery this year? His long rangy legs and bursting runs forward could be valuable, but there is so little time at the highest level to make an impact and stay there.

This is a big year for the kids. Emery is going to have to be more strategic with cups that don’t matter this season if we’re going to attempt to win the Europa league and qualify for the top 4 this year. The exec leadership talk a really big game when they big up the youth, so let’s see if they have the guts to follow it through. The league cup should be about youth, so should early stages FA Cup. If they aren’t good enough, let’s be faster about moving them out. If they make an impact, excellent, we have more depth than we did last season.

It appears Chelsea are trying to play the same game in bringing Frank Lampard back into the fold. They want to see more kids coming through and his close relationship with them looks very similar to the one Freddie has with the current batch.

… but we did hear this last season and the return wasn’t great with the homegrown crowd. AMN and Matteo landed lots of game time, but others weren’t so lucky. That has to change this season.

The biggest block is the anxiety Unai Emery will feel about his job. He has to succeed. That doesn’t bode well with giving kids a look in. So we’ll see.

Right, that’s me done, see you on the other side. x

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  1. Marko

    Also, there is a grim record of clubs that invested that little bit extra to make the elite and failed miserably.

    What’s the record on owners who have invested zero and don’t help out one iota? I bet that’s pretty grim too

  2. Kay

    Completely agree with you.

    Moving ozil is tough but no excuses really for not replacing Xhaka, Mikki and Mustafi.

    I mean it shouldn’t be that difficult to sell xhaka at 35mil and get Ndombele at 70mil.
    Or buy Fekir for 20mil + Mikki.
    Swap Mustafi for any one of the bottom half EpL team’s upcoming defender??

  3. Micheal

    Pedro: “Stan is not a fan. Never has been, never will be. He buys businesses and has consistently expected them to run properly. The strategy of investing his own money is like him trying to get out of a roulette hole by taking a loan out.”

    This is the essence of our predicament.

  4. Marc

    Why do I constantly get Liverpool’s and the Spud’s owners rammed down my throat as putting money in and yet the moment the idea that Kroenke puts £50 million in to lube our summer transfer business it’s a stupid fucking idea?

  5. Marc

    “How many times do you think Daniel Levey went begging to Joe Lewis last season?”

    How much did the Spud’s spend last summer?

  6. Dissenter

    The empty corporate boxes isn’t n industry wide issue.
    The financial services [and businesses allied with them] were the biggest clientele of these boxes. They are shifting away resources [money and staff] away from England.

  7. Pedro

    Marc,

    Spurs are one of the most frugal clubs in the EPL and Liverpool pulled themselves out of their hole buy wheeling and dealing. There was no cash injection. They spent what they earned. The net spend of Klopp was zero for two seasons. We’ve talked about this 100 times.

    It’s a stupid idea to think that Stan is going to hand over £50m after the transfer window being open for 6 weeks.

  8. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    Do you think it’s unbecoming or needy to request Stan help us ‘take a loss’ so to speak on some players earning good clobber?

    That way we can reorder matters moving forward and truly step in the right direction. I’m talking taking low ball fees for Ozil, Mkhi, Mustafi, to turnover previous errors.

    It’s less gimme money for our project and more, gimme some leeway to implement our project without the headaches.

  9. Marc

    Pedro

    I didn’t say I think Kroenke will – I said it would make business sense.

    Of course if it was going to happen it should’ve happened 5 minutes after the final whistle in the EL final.

  10. Pedro

    Also worth remembering… the club were leaking £40m transfer budget in November.

    This is not news to Raul or VV. It’s not a surprise, they’ve had a very long time to digest what that number means for their plans.

  11. Marc

    “Liverpool pulled themselves out of their hole buy wheeling and dealing”

    But the concept of Sanllehi doing that is met with revulsion on here.

  12. Marko

    The strategy of investing his own money is like him trying to get out of a roulette hole by taking a loan out.

    Makes sense. What’s the equivalent of him not investing a penny into arsenal? Buying a lambo and keeping it in a dusty basement I suppose. Anyway I can see where this is goin but I wholeheartedly disagree. Given the current circumstances it shouldn’t be seen as incompetence to ask the owner of a football club to do more than nothing. What was the height of incompetence was an owner doing nothing while the club deteriorated to the point where we now have to ask him to do something anything to help. That’s what it’s all about really at the end of the day Stan helping versus Stan doing nothing

  13. Dissenter

    Marc
    If you were Kroenke, would you infuse £50 million into a business that has not shown it has changed?
    Pedro is right, businesses aren’t run in the way you re suggesting.

    Businesses adapt to negative environment by down sizing and cutting back.
    No business savvy person escalates spending when the business climate is less conducive.
    We haven’t cut the fat yet. Kroenke is well advices to not throw money at the problem.
    Your Arsenal emotions are plodding you on my friend.

  14. Marc

    Dissenter

    So you’ve never heard of someone buying a failing business and investing in it to turn it around?

    And I’m not suggesting that Arsenal are a failing business – we’ve been a badly run one.

  15. KAMP

    If the Zaha deal does come off, it leads me to wonder what we will do on the right wing. It makes no sense to splurge 60-70m on one side and have Iwobi on the other.

    5e hope is that sales and hidden funds will enable us to get Fekir in on the other flank. He’s know as a CAM, however Emery even played Ozil wide in a front three which tells me it is his preferred formation, as opposed to playing a N.10 centrally…

    Could we see a front three next season of:

    Zaha Auba Fekir
    With tierney and Bellerin at wingback the wide players would have license to cut in and shoot with their stronger foot, and certainly I could see Fekir with licence to roam a and create a la Salah/Hazard

    I’d let laca go to see that, though it would not be necessary if we can move the actual dead wood.

  16. Marc

    RSPC

    I thought the “Aussie” team did the player contracts Sanllehi is doing the deal with the clubs to buy the player.

    Of course they will be overlap with incoming transfers.

  17. Pedro

    Marc,

    People buy failing businesses and do what? Spend a shit ton more on wages?

    Of course they don’t. They obliterate anything perceived as excess, they restructure things properly, they ruthlessly chase efficiencies and they make level-headed business decisions.

    Marko,

    The equivalent is the rebirth at Dortmund who were nearly bankrupt in 2007ish.

    Or Atleti, Ajax, Spurs, Liverpool, Lyon, Lille… there are quite a lot of examples of well-run clubs that don’t need sugar daddy money.

  18. Dissenter

    Kroenke to Raul and Vinai … teleconferencing on Cisco Telepresence

    -Why are you signing 18 year olds for 30 million to loan back for one season when you don’t supposedly have enough money?
    -Why do you still have transferable players with funds generating potential providing back-up when there are cheaper alternatives from the academy ?
    -Why are you quick to increase the wages of one season wonders to 70k weekly when you don’t have enough money
    -Why haven’t you shifted out even one of the players that are poor value for money aka dross.?

  19. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    I doubt Kroenke is asking any questions.

    If he was someone who asked questions we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    Height of hilarity if they first time Kroenke actually runs the rule over the club is when someone asks for funds.

    If Kroenke’s entire premise is use what you have Arsenal are a Europa League team for the foreseeable and fans will need to adjust their expectations to that level.

    He deserves everything that’s coming to him if that’s the approach. He sat back and allowed Arsenal to get into this state and then sues the type of scrutiny he refused to apply in years gone by to avoid dipping into his pocket?

    Joke.

  20. Marko

    It’s a stupid idea to think that Stan is going to hand over £50m after the transfer window being open for 6 weeks.

    I agree. It’s also seemingly stupid to think that Stan might help out in any way possible with Arsenal

    Also it’s so totally pointless bringing up Dortmund or whoever in the early 2000’s cause it has absolutely no bearing on Arsenal in 2019. That Swiss ramble ramble could probably do with being posted again but no Stan certainly can’t help us out

  21. Dissenter

    Marc
    ‘So you’ve never heard of someone buying a failing business and investing in it to turn it around?And I’m not suggesting that Arsenal are a failing business – we’ve been a badly run one’

    You asked a flawed question and provided a brilliant riposte to your laughable question.
    Brilliant

    We’ve been badly run but the new management team have not yet shown thatn] they are capable of doing the dirty to move out dross players.
    They even increased Guendouzi’s wages to a whopping 70k weekly for one season of average football. That was shambolic management.
    Harry Winks had had two seasons of good football, plays for England and played 45 mins in the CL finals ———- Mr Levy does not pay Harry Winks 70 k weekly.

    Let’s face the truth, Raul is yet to show whatever he is made of. We continue to wait.

  22. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Harry Winks had had two seasons of good football, plays for England and played 45 mins in the CL finals ———- Mr Levy does not pay Harry Winks 70 k weekly.’

    Right has this Guendouzi contract happened?

    Because I see 1 or 2 always referring to it and I’ve seen nothing.

  23. Dissenter

    Arsenal FC still carries too much visceral fat and has too much cash in the bank to be asking for a bailout from the owner.
    Bailouts certainly didn’t help AC Milan, they still have to do it the proper way.

  24. Pedro

    CA,

    Matt Scott tweeted that Stan always asks questions and they are almost always geared around money.

    Dissenter,

    About right to me. There are so many things to fix in our control. It’s not smart to handover cash favors.

    Also… I just don’t think Raul and VV would think that a smart move. They’re just as much about preservation as Ivan and Wenger.

  25. Dissenter

    Cesc
    None of us has access to the players paychecks, that would be confidential info I think.
    Newspapers broadly covered the wage increment Guendouzi got. If true, It was Wengeresque and shows that not too much has changed.

  26. Marko

    No business savvy person escalates spending when the business climate is less conducive.

    Again this is the problem looking at it as a business and not a football club. Stan does nothing for the club and there will be a time again where we won’t need Stan’s help but right now we could do with some help if the reports of failing finances and meagre transfer budgets are to be believed.

    I also don’t agree with the business savvy person doesn’t spend in this climate nonsense. That’s actually been a massive problem with how we did things for years not spending money on players just sitting back and not culminating players and it’s cost us big time because when we needed to we haven’t had any major sellable assets. Liverpool took a chance on a player underperforming at Inter in Coutinho and it paid off for example. We got teenagers going for hundreds of millions and we should feel ashamed of asking Stan to invest in his football club?

  27. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    No they didn’t, it was all speculative rumour. I’ve seen nothing about a bumper pay rise actually happening. Usually you get a press release about a contract signing.

  28. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Matt Scott tweeted that Stan always asks questions and they are almost always geared around money.’

    The extent of his questioning must have been the exchange rate from pounds to dollars because it can’t have been anything of substance seeing as he presided over an absolute economic mess.

    Fans predicted it for years, a billionaire businessmen supposedly asking questions of the club didn’t?

    Two possible reasons for that. Not sure which is worse.

  29. Guns of SF

    Dissenter / Pedro
    A sports franchise is a little different than a business business.
    If you are not in the mood for winning and staying competitive, then no need to be an owner. You end up being hated and then selling your team for less than its worth when it constantly loses value.

    If you want to make it grow in value, you need to invest. Of course, you must manage the team better- cut deadwood, contracts etc.

    Why isnt that also part of Stans responsibility?
    If he really cares, Jr would be back, and working with the team to make sure we have set dates for selling and buying what we need.

    Nothing has happened. SO either Stan doesnt know, doesnt care, or has too much trust in his lame team- as he has had for years.

    All of this points to him. He is the sole owner and he need to take ACTION. Doing nothing seems to be another way for fans to blame the team running the show for failures.

    Stan is accountable. Plain and simple.
    He will sell Arsenal one day… and if he wants to make some $ he needs to make sure its run the best way, and also, inject into his business to keep it running well in down times.

  30. Marko

    You asked a flawed question and provided a brilliant riposte to your laughable question.

    Nice. And then goes on to say “They even increased Guendouzi’s wages to a whopping 70k weekly for one season of average football”. I mean they haven’t that was just a rumour (much like the Chilwell stuff) but don’t let a silly little thing like a fact or truth get in the way of a good point

  31. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    A big problem is the owners and string pullers are not really football people.

    Old gambling proverb you have to speculate to accumulate.

    Or is Stan hesitant now cos Wenger robbed him.

    So once bitten twice shy.

    If the fans moan all it does is affect the players if they care.

    Only thing certain is that this mess will take at least 5 years to clean out the stains

  32. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Marko

    That thing with Matty could have been in contract. Play a certain amount of games gets a bump up…

  33. Dissenter

    I’ve seen impromptu interviews given by Kroenke in odd places like a construction site or airport tarmac when he shows that he knows a lot about his sporting businesss stateside.
    He knows the players drafted by his organizations, especially the quarterbacks.
    I still don’t understand why Kroenke was so unquestioning of the shoddy decisions Gazidis and Wenger made from 2016-2018

    Why is why he may not be so pliable with the new managers at Arsenal.

  34. Dissenter

    Marko
    Can you direct your pettiness elsewhere.
    Marc asked a flawed question and retracted it back in the same breath.
    Guendouzi’s wage increase was widely reported .
    It was extensively discussed here and some posters like gambon thought it was justified based on his starting role and CIES football observatory rating.

    When you have your own business, escalate spending when there is a business downturn.

  35. Micheal

    “Stan is accountable. Plain and simple.”

    Guns:

    Sadly, Stan is accountable only to himself. He owns us 100% and is answerable to no one.

  36. Marko

    Guendouzi’s wage increase was widely reported

    Yeah but it wasn’t true though was it so you trying to pass it off as true to strengthen a point you’re making makes it fair game.

    When you have your own business, escalate spending when there is a business downturn.

    Okay. And when I own a football club when they’re struggling I’ll actually help as well

  37. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Okay. And when I own a football club when they’re struggling I’ll actually help as well’

    Or step in when the warning signs of oncoming turmoil appear and stop the struggle from even happening.

  38. Dissenter

    Cesc
    I’m sure you knife we have always declared large cash-in-hand balances in every financial statement.
    Why dies the owner need to bail out a club that still has huge [by any standard] cash balances?

  39. Dissenter

    Marko
    Most of what we discuss here are based on what is reported in the tabloids. No one here [as fas as I’m aware] has access to confidential personnel information from Arsenal FC
    How many times have you written about player wages including Ozil 350k weekly wage even though these aren’t incontrovertible facts?
    Do I hold you to the same standard?

  40. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    Your attitude regarding kroenke is odd.

    Whether you’re of the opinion that he should spend or not spend, the main issue is that he doesn’t care.
    He is not focused on arsenal.

    A club of arsenal’s stature needs committed and competent leadership.

    Stan is negligent.

    Fans who cough up for tickets have a right to expect and demand more.

  41. Marko

    Do I hold you to the same standard?

    Yeah but you’re trying to pass off something as a fact instead of a rumour. I’ll give you an example they increased Guendouzi’s salary to a whopping 70k as opposed to I believe or I think or they may have increased Guendouzi’s salary to a whopping 70k. You see the difference? Look nevermind.

  42. Dissenter

    ‘A club of arsenal’s stature needs committed and competent leadership. Stan is negligent.”

    Yes…from a failure of proper oversight of his hired managers. Its not because he didn’t spend money or approve the odd 50 million of his money.

  43. Graham62

    Stan Kroenke’s net worth is approximately $9billion.

    Based on his inept leadership and financial negligence over the past few years at AFC, in allowing W & G to run slipshod over things, I reckon he should sit down with his financial advisors and go through the books.

    He may find he could have been worth a few billion more.

    Negligence to the extreme.

  44. Dissenter

    Marko
    You may have missed where I write “if true” about the reports
    “None of us has access to the players paychecks, that would be confidential info I think.
    Newspapers broadly covered the wage increment Guendouzi got. If true, It was Wengeresque and shows that not too much has changed.”

    If true
    If true
    if true

    Just in case you missed it earlier

  45. Dissenter

    Grahamn 62,
    ” He may find he could have been worth a few billion more.”

    Lol…Now you’re worrying about the financial value of Kroenke?
    That’s a new line of attack.
    How many billions have you made to qualify you to give financial advice to a billionaire who has doubled his money invested in Arsenal without spending a penny.?

  46. Cesc Appeal

    I think it has to be Guendouzi is still on whatever he was last season until we hear otherwise, mid-May some tabloids ran with the story he was ‘in line’ for a new deal and then nothing at all since. No ITKs saying he’s signed a new deal, no ‘Arsenal are delighted to announce’ no nothing.

    If it happens it’s daft, but right now Guendouzi is on what he was as far as I’m concerned.

  47. Dissenter

    Cesc
    I sure do hope you are right in that assertion.
    We discussed it here at the time and Gambon was fully supportive of the increase to 70k weekly based in the lad’s starting role in the team and CIES football observatory rating.

    I hope you’re right.

  48. Marko

    We’ve been badly run but the new management team have not yet shown thatn] they are capable of doing the dirty to move out dross players.
    They even increased Guendouzi’s wages to a whopping 70k weekly for one season of average football. That was shambolic management.

    This is what you said. No if true just you trying to pass it off as fact. You also started off the last paragraph with “The truth is…” Which is all kinds of lol

  49. Receding Hairline

    Deals being announced daily. Yet no one wants our world class players. I mean a squad many on here consider the fourth best in the country should have players many clubs want. Even our world class youths aren’t being poached.

    Ming’s will going Bournemouth for 20m, means there is truth to the rumour Ake is on the move.

    I confess I expected a bit more once we entered July but it’s getting worse the silence. I apologize to posters who were complaining earlier, no way we do what’s required this window.

  50. Nelson

    Stans knows very well about the loss. That’s why he sent out the Christmas message demanding very departments to cut back. If he really want to put money in, he could have done it during the Jan. TW. I still remembered seeing how disappointed Emery was when he told the media that there is no money to sign player.
    This time, Raul wants to meet with Stan. I think he doesn’t want to take full responsibility in case it went terrible wrong and he could lose his job. He knows full well that Stan won’t change this ss model. He’ll probably present different options and try to get Stan’s backing.

  51. Guns of SF

    Stan is an absent owner plain and simple. Anyone who feels that he is “doing something” might be smoking something..

    All the top clubs in EPL are owned by ambitious owners who buy and sell all the time, and looking to strengthen their teams.

    We just sit and keep on and on…

    The team needed a strong kick in the ass this summer. What did we get?
    A lot of smoke and mirrors BS

    There is a reason he is know as silent stan…
    But he bought the team and needs to be accountable to the fans. He must.

    And where is Stan Jr in this mess?

  52. Guns of SF

    IF we still can pull
    Tierney
    Zaha/ZIyech/Fraser
    Saliba

    I think we might be ok.. But also as important is getting rid of the deadwood.
    That needs to happen as well.

  53. bunga party

    Honestly Stan doesn’t need to do anything.

    The board, they can certainly do better.
    The Manager, he can certainly do better.
    The Coaches, they can do better.
    The Players, they can do better.
    The tactics/systems/styles, they can all do better.

  54. TR7

    Sorry I am being rude here but really embarrassing commentary from Pedro and Dissenter suggesting it is a bad thing for Kroenke to invest money in to Arsenal. If Kroenke doesn’t step in, Arsenal are precariously close to becoming an eternal mid table club. And yes Stan won’t be doing the club a favor if he injects some cash in to the club, rather he will be preserving the value of his investment. If you guys follow business and finance even a little bit, you would know it’s pretty common for owners to inject funds in to their businesess either through equity or debt. Even governments step in and fund banks many a times to inject liquidity. There are examples galore. Really LOL at Dissenter suggesting Stan needing to ask tough questions to our management regarding use of funds. In football you make some good transfers and some bad ones. What do you expect our management to do ? Give an affidavit to Stan that his money will always be used for making successful transfers ?

  55. Gentlebris

    You may discuss Kroenke till your cheeks turn purple, if the discussion doesn’t include how Kroenke gets some heat from us then it’s just some more evening gossip.

    That being said.

    Why do I see Odoi and Nelson on the same level? Sheer sentiments? And why do I think Willock, given proper chance, would outshine Odoi?
    Yet Frank L was on and on about Odoi with statements laced with blatant pleading and Emery does not even seem aware of Willock.

    It’s no big deal that Bayern are on Odoi’s case. That doesn’t make him better than Willock. We all thought Gnabry was shit until he’s being voted player of the season at Bayern.

    And let’s face it, if players like Willock now want out, do we blame them? Do we say they have not been patient enough?

    Guys were on and on here about how shit Bielik is but are more than happy to spend £30m on Saliba just to loan him back.
    The question is how are you sure If you give Bielik the chance you are begging Saliba with that he wouldn’t outperform Saliba?

    And Saka is being neglected for a Scottish league £25m player who may eventually turn out to be Saka’s inferior.

    If you have to go project youth, you don’t have to buy project youth.

    Buy good established players with the money and give our young guns a chance.

  56. bunga party

    Let’s just accept it….Arsenal are a mid-table club.

    Unless of course, the house of saud is the new owner.

  57. Dissenter

    TR7
    “Sorry I am being rude here but really embarrassing commentary from Pedro and Dissenter suggesting it is a bad thing for Kroenke to invest money in to Arsenal. ”

    So says you, the same poster that thinks cash-in-nagd means everything but cash in hand.
    Why would be give money to a business that declared cash in hand of 89 million as at the last financial statement?

  58. Up 4 grabs now

    Evening,

    A Few points, stans a tight wad, that won’t waste money.
    But has approved a huge wage increase for guendouzi who has three years left on his contract.
    Why hasn’t arsenal announced it in the press or on arsenal.com if it’s true?

    Emery didn’t attend the boreham wood game this year.
    Last year he did. This was the squad

    Petr Cech (c) 45′
    2 Hector Bellerin 45′
    5 Sokratis Papastathopoulos 45′
    27 Konstantinos Mavropanos 45′
    34 Jordi Osei-Tutu 45′
    15 Ainsley Maitland-Niles 45′
    30 Joe Willock 45′
    35 Emile Smith-Rowe 45′
    19 Reiss Nelson 35′ 45′
    9 Alexandre Lacazette 40′ 45′
    14 Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang 7′ 9′ 17′ 45′
    Subs
    7 Henrikh Mkhitaryan 45′ 80′
    8 Aaron Ramsey 45′
    16 Rob Holding 45′
    20 Shkodran Mustafi 45′
    21 Calum Chambers 45′
    22 Jeff Reine-Adelaide 45′ 71′ 77′
    25 Carl Jenkinson 45′
    26 Emiliano Martinez 45′
    28 Lucas Pérez 45′
    29 Matteo Guendouzi 77′
    31 Sead Kolasinac 45′
    32 Chuba Akpom
    24 Edward Nketiah 45′ 53′

    Pretty strong and we won 8-0

    This year the squad was made up of under 18’s and a select few under 23’s

    Emery was with the first team squad And under 23’s who will probably be stepping up to the first team this year.
    He was there for the first day of pre season training.

    But hater’s gotta hate right?

  59. James.wood

    Agents and players have absolutely figged the game.
    The greed from Stan and his Ilk is virtually the norm.
    Even youth players are demanding what they expect
    in wages.
    Players like Ozil / Pogba are an example of the arrogance shown by these
    prim donnas of the modern game.
    Pogba slightly gifted but goes missing is demanding £500k a week
    Let’s be honest if it was not for a few flashes of brilliance he would probably be
    repairing the roof of the Norte Dame.

  60. Dissenter

    “Really LOL at Dissenter suggesting Stan needing to ask tough questions to our management regarding use of funds.”

    Like asking why Alexis Sanchez wasn’t sold in the summer of 2017
    Like asking why Ramsey wasn’t sold last summer
    Like asking why we didn’t sell Welbeck last summer
    Like asking why we gave Ozil that deal

    You don’t think the owner should ask questions because “in football you make some good transfers and some bad ones”
    That’s embarrassing commentary there for you.

  61. Up 4 grabs now

    We all know arsenal have been mismanaged the last few years due to Ivan and Arsene.
    Stan let them get on with until he had enough and Arsene got bounced.
    Now it’s going to take time to recover.

    Stan won’t invest,he wants us self sustaining, increase revenues through sponsors or getting back to champions league football, is the only way as far as he’s concerned.

    Would be surprised if players don’t start to come and go this week coming.
    Won’t be enough but will see if a few kids can step up to help,out?

  62. Dissenter

    People just want sugar daddies, that’s all. I wonder why they hated on Chelsea when Abramovich was doing his thing.

  63. Gentlebris

    ‘What has Odoi got to do with Willock?’

    R.H,

    They are two young footballers from two London clubs competing for same honours.
    One is being celebrated(because of his contract situations of course) and the other being neglected.

  64. TR7

    Dissenter

    ‘So says you, the same poster that thinks cash-in-nagd means everything but cash in hand.Why would be give money to a business that declared cash in hand of 89 million as at the last financial statement?’

    Not my problem if you don’t understand the dynamics of our club vis-a-vis Liverpool. We have to maintain a debt reserve fund of £23M unlike Liveroool. We have to provision for not finishing top 4 next season too unlike Liverpool. We have no other option but to keep some cash in reserve for we know Stan won’t help us unlike John Henry who is always there to.help Liverpool financially. That you always compare our cash in hand figure with Pool’s to make a point is quite silly. So yes when I say we can’t spend all of our cash it is not wrong and seems like the Arsenal management know this too if our transfer action so far is anything to go by.

    As for.your ’89 M’ cash in hand argument, it is not worth replying to. We had £231M cash in hand in FY 2017-2018 audited financial and to my knowledge no financial has been released there after. Seems.like you have pulled out the number from thin air.

  65. Marko

    People just want sugar daddies, that’s all

    Yeah that’s it sugar daddies and not even the slightest bit of investment while we’re struggling to get deals done. You’ve got it all sussed out. If it were true…

  66. Chris

    Stan is going nowhere.

    He sees the future, the million pound spinning closed shop (somewhat) of the inevitable European Super League. If tv money is huge now, wait until that gets started. Guaranteed millions upon millions every year just to be there.

    However, he should be keeping a closer eye on his club and making tougher decisions to ensure they are in the discussion for the super league when it comes around.

    Before the half way point of this century there will be many more lower league clubs going bust. Game will have changed completely I reckon. And already loads of hipsters found at non league games

  67. Dissenter

    The US has carried female football forever.
    80% of the stadium and the fans outside are American fans. You will think Holland being a train-trip or car ride away would bring in more dutch fans.

  68. Receding Hairline

    No Gentlebris

    One is being celebrated because the champions of Germany are willing to drop 30m pounds for his signature.

    The others isn’t known by anyone besides Arsenal fans who think their youth players are all world class.

  69. Marko

    One is being celebrated(because of his contract situations of course) and the other being neglected.

    One has also shown incredible potential compared to the other who’s shown…eh…

  70. Dissenter

    Marko
    You think throwing money at the problems solves it.
    The new team are yet to prove their competence. Why would Kroenke just give them 50 million for the fun of it?

    Did you miss out the point about the cash-in-hand were are carrying?

  71. TR7

    No people don’t want sugar daddies, you are.just fabricating stuff at this stage. 89M and now this sugar daddy thing. There is a HUGE difference between being a sugar daddy and injecting.some cash at a time the club is in very precarious situation.

  72. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Could Stan not ‘write off’ in some sense the hindrances from the previous regime to allow the new one to implement their strategy better?

    Say, footing a loss in fee for Ozil, Mkhi, Mustafi to allow transfers out and give us a better footing in terms of wage bill?

    Not the same as ‘here’s a 100 mil, go nuts’.

  73. Dissenter

    TR7
    Fabricating what?
    The AST summary of the last financial statement says 89 million cash in hand.
    What are you talking about?
    Where are you getting your information from..I bet it’s the same AST statement.

  74. Dissenter

    CC
    You make a good pit about a write off but shouldn’t he be certain that the hired hands know what they are doing first?
    There’s a due diligence that needs to be done. Lets see what Raul, Vinai and Emery are made of first.

  75. TR7

    Dissenter

    No, I refer to financial statements uploaded on Arsenal.com. I don’t know much about AST. You mean to say they have access to FY 2018-2019 number even though the club has not released any financial statement till date ?

  76. Marko

    You think throwing money at the problems solves it.

    Is that the argument being made? How about doing more than nothing? How about some investment that addresses a short term problem. I mean he could do minor investment over a one to three year period and that could be enough to set us up for the next 10 years. Instead nothing. It’s quite extraordinary given the summer that we’re having that there’s fans like you out there talking absolute gash. Throwing money at the moment literally will solve many problems. We’re clearly struggling to get deals over the line and we’re unable to get high earners out of the club but sure investment couldn’t help.

    The new team are yet to prove their competence

    Not sure this is accurate either. In Torreira and Guendouzi for example we have players who we could make a profit on even after a year. Given the chance they could do the same with Tierney or Saliba or Martinelli etc etc. We’ll never know what they’re truly capable of because at Arsenal there’s fuck all investment from the owner and we never do enough. But maybe if Stan done more than nothing

  77. Cesc Appeal

    ‘There’s a due diligence that needs to be done. Lets see what Raul, Vinai and Emery are made of first.’

    How are we adjudging them given the financial realities at the club?

    What happens when Kroenke decides ‘okay I will actually spend something for once’ and the chance created by Chelsea’s situation, United’s situation and 5th place potentially giving you UCL football is gone?

    He’s actually more spending for the sake of it then than anything else, and forget £50-80 Million, in a situation where Chelsea are spending again, United have their shit sorted out and 5th no longer gets you anything you’re looking at £150-200 Million.

    Not to mention due diligence? The fuck ups of the new regime (Lictsteiner and Suarez) didn’t cost us that much and they’ve added Leno for £20 Million who is a £60 Million GK in this market, Torreira for £26 Million who Arsenal value at around £40 Million (really could be more) and Guendouzi who regardless of outlandish valuations is likely a £20-25 Million youngster with a conservative estimate.

    We’re not talking £35 Million Mustafi, £35 Million Xhaka, £19 Million Perez, £350 000 a week to Ozil etc.

  78. Dissenter

    TR7
    You’re really full of it.
    You accused me of fabrication when the financial statements you refer to clearly has higher numbers that the conservative estimate the AST put out.
    I’m to believe your summary and disregard the AST’s

  79. Marko

    shouldn’t he be certain that the hired hands know what they are doing first?

    This seems to be a recurring point from you. How do they prove competency exactly? By doing a good job in awful circumstances? How about sorting out a football with zero investment from the owner. It’s honestly a stupid point you’re making if he has worries about the hires then he should step in and do something other than nothing. Sack them if he doesn’t trust them with his zero investment in Arsenal football club

  80. Dissenter

    If one of the first acts of Vinai and Raul is to ask for more money then they need to be sacked promptly.

    Cesc,
    Hope can you justify us asking fore more money from Stan when we are pursuing sizable deals like Saliba [based on tabloid reports] that won’t even impact this season,?
    There goes the argument for an imminent or acute need if one of the main things we are doing is securing 2020-2021 season.

  81. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    I think that’s where some frustration lies with folk toward Stan, this lot should’ve been hired with ungodly due diligence done and Stan should be convinced by them already. To the point of helping them succeed in implementing a new way for the club even if that means taking a minor personal hit to pave a new direction. A 40-50 mil write off would give us tremendous breathing room, and go a long way to showing Stan’s commitment to acknowledging previous flaws and wanting a change of outcome (CL football and beyond).

    We can sit and do little, or he can give them some space to breathe and that can potentially yield the cost of the write off threefold within one fiscal year. This is what bugs me, we don’t speculate well at all – nvm accountability in previous seasons.

  82. Marko

    Let’s see what Raul and Vinai and Emery and Edu do with 45 million before Stan decides to do more than nothing. Unbelievable how someone comes up with such commentary.

  83. TR7

    Dissenter

    I quote you

    ‘The AST summary of the last financial statement says 89 million cash in hand.’

    As per the last audited financial, we have £231M cash in hand. Cash in hand is a specific line item in balance sheet. There is no scope for conjecture or analysis. It’s explicitly mentioned in our financials. So what did AST actually ‘analyse’ and how come it managed to reduce it down to 89M. In all likelihood they must be ‘projecting/estimating’ our current cash in hand figure. There is no analysis of any financial statement for the one released has the exact number explicitly mentioned.

  84. Dissenter

    Marko
    “This seems to be a recurring point from you. How do they prove competency exactly? By doing a good job in awful circumstances? ”

    By cutting fat as much as possible.
    I’ve defended Raul more than most here but there is NO evidence that they have moved on the players that are bad value for money. They are all still firmly placed at Arsenal.
    I want to wait and see how they fare. I’m not champing at the bits for Kroenke’s money to cover up bad management.

  85. Marko

    Not to mention due diligence? The fuck ups of the new regime (Lictsteiner and Suarez) didn’t cost us that much and they’ve added Leno for £20 Million who is a £60 Million GK in this market, Torreira for £26 Million who Arsenal value at around £40 Million (really could be more) and Guendouzi who regardless of outlandish valuations is likely a £20-25 Million youngster with a conservative estimate.

    Can’t argue with that. Could you imagine if they were properly backed.

  86. Marko

    If one of the first acts of Vinai and Raul is to ask for more money then they need to be sacked promptly.

    An imbecilic comment if ever I seen one. Eroding financials and a squad that needs addressing all on a meagre budget? Yes how dare they ask for help from their owner.

    but there is NO evidence that they have moved on the players that are bad value for money

    You kind of answer your own question there. Anyway you’re on a role today

  87. Marko

    I want to wait and see how they fare. I’m not champing at the bits for Kroenke’s money to cover up bad management.

    Oh so you want Stan to do more once the new guys have shown that they can get rid of players like Özil and co? Makes sense

  88. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    This is simple math in my book. He presided over failure, those failures are hampering recovery massively, there’s a golden opportunity this season and this season only that those failures are stopping us from having the best chance of achieving.

    If Kroenke sits on his hands and ignores all that I join the people vociferously calling for him to go.

    I’ve never been one to bash Kroenke but if you’re saying he should suddenly start looking at the club with a microscope to avoid handing over money when he couldn’t be less interested in doing that for the last 6 years he can go fuck himself.

    Funny how he would become a hands on owner (very briefly) when asked for his own money.

  89. Dissenter

    Marko
    Raul is too savvy to even ask a billionaire owner for more money.
    Pedro gotmit right when he said that Raul’s instinct for self-preservation will never let him do that.
    They can ask for a loosening of how much is released for spending this window.
    If that’;s what you’re trying to say then I support you. They can loosen the budget so we can spend more this summer not to ask for a hand-out from kroenke.

  90. TR7

    ‘If one of the first acts of Vinai and Raul is to ask for more money then they need to be sacked promptly.’

    Please stop it man ! It’s getting more and more embarrassing.

  91. Rambo Ramsey

    Pedro sucking on old Kroenke’s balls… But then this is the same guy that believed Gazidis was a gladiator and believes Arteta is genius

    Hold up that Queer banner proud

  92. Dissenter

    I can see I have Marko all riled up seething from an imaginary slight.
    Thats how you roll.
    So far you’ve used “imbecilic” and other derogatory hits on me when all I’m making are points that aren’t that far out.

  93. Dissenter

    TR7
    Yes.. by all means write a hand-out for your employees when they come asking for the easiest fix for a problem.
    Raul and Vinai are not as freaking naive as you. I bet you they won’t ask for money.

  94. Rambo Ramsey

    Dissenter is in the right.

    Raul and Vinaigrette should be sacked. They failed to magic shit to gold.

  95. TR7

    Dissenter

    If there’s anyone whose naivety is coming to the fore, it’s you. You still haven’t replied how come AST arrived at the figure of £89M when it’s £231 M in audited financial. And you always talk about ‘money’ as an easy fix. Tell me how do football clubs solve their problem the hard way ? Liverpool bought VVD and Allison to solve their defense and GK.issue. Did John Henry sack Klopp for taking the ‘easy’ route of spending money ?

  96. Guns of SF

    We dont need a sugar daddy ala Chelsea, City etc

    What we need is a owner that realizes the dire straights we are in, and supplements the team to make us competitive. Winning makes more money and in order to win, you need to invest at times.

    That time is now and even the last window. We pull in 2 solid players back in Jan, we might have gotten top 4. Thus, CL money.

    We sat and signed some shit with no money.
    Embarrassing.

    If we asked for $ last Jan ( I have a feeling we did) and were told, no money, or use what you have- then it says it all to me about Stan. This asshole clearly does not understand Football and how things work. Its not too hard to understand either.

    So yes, Raul and VV need to ask again. Some way or another, the truth will come out.

    As someone mentioned, if we become the new Everton- mired in 6-10th place, then what will Stan do?

    Perhaps that needs to happen so he sells the team. He simply is not the best owner and hopefully we get owners that truly care about winning

  97. Gentlebris

    R.H, Marko

    Your points are exactly my concern. Would we have paid more attention to Gnabry if Bayern had come to us directly with £30m?

    Marko are you saying Willock is not showing good potentials as well?

    Everytime we give this lad a brief chance, he does good things.
    Watch out for him in the preseason games, because that may be all the chance he gets again while the likes of Mikki and Ozil start games.

    Gnabry left us and it wouldn’t surprise me if Willock leaves as well and becomes a super star somewhere better than Arsenal.

  98. Dissenter

    Rambo
    That’s funny because I clearly stated that they deserve to be sacked if one their first acts is too ask for more money.
    Easy to disagree with me on the merits, not of the turning shot to gold crap.

    I’ve defended them more that most people here but if their magic is from asking for Kroenke’s handouts then they need to go.
    Why is waiting so hard for you?
    Why is spending someone else’s money so appealing to you?

  99. Valentin

    During one of his few interview, Raul stated that if the coach wants a player with specific characteristics, he has the information at hand on his laptop and Arsenal can pursue the player. Gazidis’s reason to hire Raul was his extensive contacts and fine negotiation skills.

    Pre-season training is starting, nobody has left and we have only signed an 18 years old Brazilian on Edu’s advice. We are stuck chasing Mislintat’s targets but can’t conclude deals quickly. Saliba is not expected to join us until next season anyway.

    If nothing dramatic happens between now and the end of the TW, we may start the season with a weaker squad than last year. We have lost Ramsey, Wellbeck, Bellerin is injured until October. At least we let Lichsteiner go.

    If Emery fails, a lot of criticism should be directed to Raul.

  100. Leedsgunner

    If the choice is strictly between Vazquez or Zaha there is no choice, it’s Zaha all the way.

    However that is not choice. In reality the choice is improve our defence or spend £70m to £80m unbalancing our already unbalanced team even more.

    We need to fix our defence. If we can then bring in another attacker with the proceeds of all our deadwood is one thing but to waste all our time and effort in chasing a marquee attacker when we have such obvious deficiencies in our team is sheer stupidity.

  101. Gentlebris

    ‘We pull in 2 solid players back in Jan, we might have gotten top 4. Thus, CL money.’

    We did some decent goal scoring winger that time we got top 3 certainly.

  102. Elmo

    All this wishful thinking about Kroenke ‘helping’ us.

    He’s a pure financial investor who makes investment decisions based on risk and reward.

    With the mess we’re in, and with the team below us having far more financial firepower and desperate to break back into the CL, he’ll regard any personal injection of cash into the playing side of Arsenal as a bad investment: the likelihood of receiving a return on a £50m injection is low, because we’ll probably miss out on CL anyway, and we show no ability to flip players for profit.

    For Kroenke, the costs of making a big push at the top 4 are not worth the risks. Top 6 on a 6th place budget, with the back-door chance of CL qualification via EL, is enough to maintain or slowly grow the value of the club, and we’re currently seeing our cost base rationalised to break even at that level.

  103. Guns of SF

    at this point we should just sell
    Miki Ozil Mustafi El Neny Jenks Kos Xhaka for whatever we can get for them.
    Keeping them is not only going to make us weaker on the field but financially also.
    There is no other way….
    Bring in the youth we have- fine but get rid of these players

    Get rid of stan the absent owner

  104. Cesc Appeal

    ‘For Kroenke, the costs of making a big push at the top 4 are not worth the risks. Top 6 on a 6th place budget, with the back-door chance of CL qualification via EL, is enough to maintain or slowly grow the value of the club, and we’re currently seeing our cost base rationalised to break even at that level.’

    I think you’re absolutely right.

    I think he also sees the contract cycle, people like Mustafi, Mkhitaryan, Ozil etc whose contracts will be finished in 2 years and there will be another £40-50 Million in cash floating around.

    He will try to adjust the club to be a Europa League team with a chance of UCL football through that competition.

    What is interesting is how that will sit with the fans. Not sure what they can do to shift him, but given that Kroenke Out has started in our first ‘game’ if we arrive in August with a minimal spend and the same old faces with Liverpool and Spurs in our first 4 games the fans could turn nastily very quickly.

  105. Guns of SF

    Elmo,

    Then Stan is a gambling man with that theory … banking on winning the EL-
    As we know that is not an easy route – we have gone deep the last 2 years and not been able to pull it out.

    The Suarez deal was complete shambles. We needed defenders and perhaps one attacker. We spend a little more, we could have brought in more help- I am fairly convinced we could have made it into top 4.

    Because we came so close with utter shit, I can see how Stan would sit on his hands again. But he is not smart. He does not understand that every year, players get older, break down, and there is no guarantee of winning the EL to get CL

    Investment when needed is the way…… the only way.
    IF we cannot move these players on… the deadwood then that is all it should say to STAN. we have shit players thus a shit team

  106. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Guns

    Agreed

    Can we not just cut the contract ?

    Players have run down an got the busman…

    What can clubs do.

  107. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Players to go list is so long

    Michi
    Ozil
    Kolasinac
    Xhara
    Jenks
    Elnenny
    Mustafi
    If we could get 30m job lot … be lovely

  108. Elmo

    Guns SF

    Kroenke isn’t gambling on winning the EL. For him, it would be a nice bonus if it happens, but the default business model is now finish top 6 while breaking even financially.

    I’m sure what’s terrified him most in his entire tenure at the club has been seeing huge operating losses at the club for the last two years (a state of affairs that I’m sure scares the living daylights out of any US major sports franchise owner, who are used to rigidly structured oligopolies with salary caps that guarantee all franchises are profitable). The main motivation for Kroenke right now is getting the club breaking even and on a stable financial footing, rather than battling United in the transfer window to fight for 4th.

  109. Guns of SF

    Ozil should not be anywhere the near the first team next season.
    Let him run his contract down..
    We can use others… but we need to be ruthless. Sell at a loss but get rid of the shit… no other way… if that is how we are supposed to raise funds.. then we are waiting too long in the window- so we wait and sell a few towards the end and pull another bid for Lemar situation in the last hour, leaving the selling team no options to replace the player. This scenario has also played out time and again with the entire “wait for deals until the end of the window”- ala Wenger

  110. Marko

    I can see I have Marko all riled up seething from an imaginary slight.
    Thats how you roll.

    You’re right. It’s just stupid people saying stupid things gets to me sometimes. I mean imagine fans expecting an owner to do more to help them get out of a slump. Incredible right

  111. Marko

    West Ham offering to pay the release clause of Maxi Gomez. That’s nearly 45 million up front. We’d never be able to do anything like that under Kroenke. But of course there’s nothing he could do more

  112. Dissenter

    It seems some are asking the Wong questions and getting enraged at the answer that’s coming back at them.

    One of the pressing questions that needs asking is; why is our transfer budget set so low when we have more revenue coming in from commercial revenue
    It could be that the tabloids have been so off the mark but there’s no reason we shouldn’t be spending 80-100 million every season.

  113. Guns of SF

    Dissenter

    Good question… but with financial figures all over the place who knows what is really going on. I have felt the club leaked the 40M to plead poverty to other teams and to the fans, so when we fail to bring on needed players, one can blame “we only had 40M”

    But if the 40 we used for Zaha is real, then the 40M budget is bogus to me.

    I swear dealing with Arsenal in negotiations is a nightmare. The nickel and diming and shadiness is too much.

  114. Dissenter

    Guns of SF
    “I swear dealing with Arsenal in negotiations is a nightmare. The nickel and diming and shadiness is too much.”

    Not a bad reputation to have.
    I think we are going to have a good window when it’s all said and done.

  115. þorkell einarsson

    Emile Smith and Zaka are exciting players for sure .. with reiss nelson
    on board we should have some attacking force at our disposal, then
    we only need one world class defender

  116. Marc

    “Players to go list is so long

    Michi
    Ozil
    Kolasinac
    Xhara
    Jenks
    Elnenny
    Mustafi
    If we could get 30m job lot … be lovely”

    And would see us so deep in FFP shit as to be untrue. You can’t sell off an asset that’s down on your book as £25 million for £5 million and not show a £20 million paper loss on the accounts.

    As FFP is based on the accounts do you get it now?

  117. Marc

    “Can we not just cut the contract ?

    Players have run down an got the busman…

    What can clubs do.”

    Nothing unless the player were to do something that would constitute breach of contract ie get caught snorting half of Bolivia’s GDP. Being lazy and a bit shit won’t do it. The only thing a club can do is make it uncomfortable enough for a player to want to leave.

  118. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    C

    That’s total bollocks …

    We are lumbered

    Wenger knew what he was doing,

    That fuck has ruined the club through his own personal greed.

    Put the club in postition they we would look bad when he went.

    He knew they wanted him out…

    Blame Stan but also blame wenger.

  119. Marc

    RSPC

    You have to wonder if Fergie recommended Moyes to make him look better. Fact that Moyes has been the best manager ManU have had since is something the Glazer’s should really be looking at!

  120. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Marc

    Indeed
    All about ego an self preservation .

    I admire emery that he is only going to stay for a few years, can’t be caught out by a twat like that again .?

  121. Valentin

    Gazidis is a worse culprit than Wenger.

    He was in charge and he is the one who signed on Özil’s and Mhikitarian’s contract.
    He is the one who negotiated those stupid contracts with Aubameyang and Lacazette with bonus related to their individual performance (goals, …) rather than the team overall position such as qualifications to the Champion’s League.

    Gazidis was supposed to bring more professionalism to the club. All he did was hiring mediocre Yes men. There is a say:
    A’s hire A’s, when B’s hire C’s.

    Gazidis was a C (Con men) who just happen to hire Y(Yes men).

    The more we learn about his deals and his legacy, the more inept at business he is showing to be.

  122. Marc

    RSPC

    Well as the value of the players will be written off over the course of their contracts in theory over the next couple of years Mustafi, Ozil, Xhaka etc can go on a free without destroying the accounts. Of course letting players leave on a free isn’t what we want to be doing but if you’re a player who can get a big signing on fee by moving for free what would you do?

  123. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Nothing unless the player were to do something that would constitute breach of contract ie get caught snorting half of Bolivia’s GDP. Being lazy and a bit shit won’t do it. The only thing a club can do is make it uncomfortable enough for a player to want to leave.

    Unsalable …

    Lumbered

  124. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    All wenger an gazidis fault

    Can’t blame Stan for poor signing, can’t blame him for not putting hand in pocket..

    I don’t think it’s stains fault .. per say.

  125. Cesc Appeal

    Kroenke can’t wash his hands of the fuck ups of Wenger and Gazidis.

    If average football fans could predict the collapse we’ve seen now years ago, aside from the deluded pro-Wenger rabble, then how on earth could he not?

    I refuse to believe we on here and in the wider fan base are smarter, more business and sports savvy than a billionaire businessmen. How could he not see it because this isn’t hindsight, fans called this for at least the last 4 years of Wenger’s reign.

  126. KAY Boss

    Why this whole thesis about Kroenke and what not to spend?
    Honestly I careless what goes on financially in the club. All a football fan is about is his team doing well on the pitch. The off pitch matters is for those in suits. My opinion though.

  127. KAY Boss

    And if u don’t understand finance like me, how do I get to UNDERSTAND the financial dealings of the club.?
    Since it’s Kroenke’s day, enjoy your debate and I’ll enjoy watching the AFCON.

  128. Cesc Appeal

    Marc

    It’s just utter stupidity though and what is worring is that shows someone who did no ‘due diligence’ (as it’s the word of the day) on football in Europe and the direction of Arsenal in comparison to our rivals.

    If I was Kroenke with a limited knowledge of ‘soccer’ I would have had my own guys, an expert in football more in the DoF/TD type role and someone more in Venkatesham’s mould of CFO/Commercial Operations go in the club as my men when the club never kicked on and fan unrest started to boil, not beholden to Wenger or Gazidis, full access etc and then report back to me.

    What he would have learnt from that would have been staggering to him when they compared Arsenal structure, wage bill, value to wages, value of squad, depreciating value of players, aged tactical approach and bottleneck decision making with the rest of Europe’s elite clubs.

    Instead he basically saw UCL football and cash in the bank and thought ‘fuck these guys are good’. Only when UCL revenue went away his arse twitched and he put Kroenke Jr in…way too late.

  129. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Honestly I careless what goes on financially in the club. All a football fan is about is his team doing well on the pitch. ‘

    The former relates directly to the latter and the latter to the former.

  130. Marc

    Kay

    It’s only because we should be in a position to buy some better players and get back in the CL but because of piss poor management we’re some what fucked.

    Not completely – just marginally!