Just a quick one from me today.
Tierney is the one for us, according to multiple reports.
We’re not on a level playing field when it comes to a transfer fee, with Celtic clearly wanting mega money, however, it seems like we’re the only club going hard for him.
The electric left-back certainly looks like he has the talent to move into the Premier League. If it works, you have yourself a £50m player. If it doesn’t, he’s young enough that you’d unlikely lose (unless you give him stupid money).
It seems that we’re going to offer him £70k a week, which is about what Matteo G is being offered. The new standard amount for young talent in the first team.
The worry with him is the injury record. It’s not great. He’s had hip problems, Achilles issues, the list goes on… the talent is clearly there, but it’s no good if it’s not on the field. I’m always interested to know how clubs make decisions on things like that because history usually is a very good indication of what you’re going to get with a player… especially if they’re moving from a pub league.
Bad news for Mesut Ozil. His boy lost Istanbul by quite a wide margin. How does this change the wedding photos is the big question on our lips right now.
The Lucas Torreira story won’t die… the Italian papers suggesting Gazidis wants to propose a two-year loan deal fee of 16m, with a cash buy at the end for 38m. This is like watching Arsenal go after deals. Why would any club sanction a deal like that for a player that’s doing well? Why would Arsenal do Ivan any favours? Unreal behaviour if there’s even a grain of truth about it.
The Carrasco stories are still bubbling hard. I’m amazed that the player can be kicking up such a fuss after less than 6 months. Why would you move to China for such a short amount of time? Why not just take a loan move? Money… one would assume. I really do wonder about going near a player with this sort of approach to his career. If he blows up, we’re going to be on the receiving end of this next summer. If he tanks, he’ll bunker in like Mesut Ozil.
Right, that’s all I have for you today! x
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Nice, succinct post by you PeDro and I, of course thank you for it
Will Ziyech and co better compliment Xhaka Marko??
Fuck Xhaka. They’d improve us inspite of Xhaka. Funny thing is I think Zaha is very much in line with the types of players that we’re linked with these days. Him and Fraser just disappointing names that would probably be just about enough for us. Nothing special no next level to be had or anything major in terms of resale value just the kind of signing you expect us to make but hope we’d do better
Oh yeah I of course, thank you for it too.
I’m always interested to know how clubs make decisions on things like
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The insurance premium must be very high too.
You know what I can’t stand about Arsenal in the transfer window? If Torreira played for anyone else and we were being linked with him, the stories in the papers would be that his club are demanding £90m, or something like that. It always happens. A good season, a young player, and when Arsenal are interested, they want mega bucks. But when it’s our player, we hear some ridiculous stuff going round. I’m not saying the rumours are true; they’re almost certainly not. Why the actual F would we even think about letting Torreira go (unless some truly outrageous offer… Read more »
Zaha is nothing like Fraser sorry
DM
Why the actual F
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It’s spelled FUCK.
Now repeat it. It’s always good to add colour to ones language.
The letter F is spelled FUCK? Who knew
Leftside
It’s ‘PedRo’, not ‘PeDro’.
DM
That’s much better. Kol Hakavod!
Danny you’re being a dafka-nik 😂
Tierney was the number 1 player I wanted us to go after this window, so I think it would be an excellent signing.
I think our FB positions have been by far our biggest weakness this past season.
I think theres probably truth in the Torreira wanting out rumours. From day one he struck me as another Reyes. Probably hasnt made any effort to learn English, doesnt seem overly confident, hasnt integrated at all.
Fact is, we have far too much to do to be selling him, so I think he may have to wait until next summer.
I meant in the sense that they’re both underwhelming and there’s not a lot of clubs interested in them
Tierney was the number 1 player I wanted us to go after this window, so I think it would be an excellent signing.
I personally would of had Chilwell before Tierney. But I guess he cost around the 30m mark.
So we now sign players based on who is interested in them not what they bring to the table
Alrighty then
How much have you watched Tierney gambon?
Little descrip would be nice, you can only get so much out of youtube clips.
DM
The reason is because a huge segment of the media are London based and support the Spud’s – it’s been like this for years.
Arsenal player wears gloves in the freezing cold – big fuss, another player does it not a peep.
Arsenal go a period without winning anything – it’s constantly quote, the Spud’s go even longer not a sound.
Arsenal have the most expensive season tickets in the league – £100 more than the Spud’s no one mentions you get 5 more matches on ours.
It goes on and on.
Zaha will turn 27 a couple of months into the season.
I agree with Marko here, he’s a very good player but how likely is he to jump up to another level at that age?
So we now sign players based on who is interested in them not what they bring to the table
If you bring less to the table than other players then less teams are going to be interested. Keep up.
Fraser and Zaha contemporaries?
Do me a favour.
“I agree with Marko here, he’s a very good player but how likely is he to jump up to another level at that age?“
I disagree with the idea he needs to step up a level. He’s double marked at Palace and creating chances and havoc for relative shite players to make use of.
Deploy him wide for Arsenal and if teams double up against him he instantly frees a Laca or Auba, or he destroys a player and creates for a Laca or Auba…..not a Benteke.
Auba wouldn’t smash 25 league goals at Palace for the very same reason.
Ziyech will turn 27 by March next year Eagle
Humans age , no one escapes it
I miss Wenger!!!!!
“Manchester United have restarted talks with Crystal Palace over the potential signing of Aaron Wan-Bissaka but have not made an improved bid yet.
Sky Sports News understands United’s last bid was £35m rising to £50m – but that Palace want a guaranteed £50m up front.”
United embarrassing themselves , don’t they know they are supposed to just pay the 50m??
WengerEagle I havent watched a huge amount, more a combination of watching him at EL and international level, reading a lot of opinion of him going back to when he was younger. He has always been considered the bigger talent than Andy Robertson, and I think he will probably have decided to leave Celtic because Robertson has overtaken him internationally due to where he plays. Amazing engine, really is a two way player. Compared to Kolasinac, he will be able to provide just as much going forward, without leaving huge holes at the back. Only doubt is that he is… Read more »
Fraser and Zaha contemporaries?
In that they’re both being linked with unexciting moves to Arsenal yes
He’s a turnover machine Charlie, lost the ball over 4 times a match on average during the season. I like him but this was his first ever season cracking double figures [just about too with 10 goals]. Doesn’t help our predicament too much in that department given we have no goalscorers outside of Lacazette and Aubameyang who playing together often look clunky and disjointed vs the PL top 6. He’s a couple of notches down from Mane, Sane, Sterling, Lucas/Son which is the calibre of player that you’d expect from a signing of his cost [doubtful to be under 60-70… Read more »
Gambon. I can definitely agree with you.Not saying that i wanted Arsenal to after tierney as their no.1 but because i wanted a good LB as our top priority. Having excellent full-backs is extremely important in the modern game and in kola and Monreal we have 2 players who are not quite at that level.If you could make a hybrid of monreal and kola that would be the ideal modern day fullback. Consistent at the back, intelligent and good in the attack. I dont really know about tierney much.Just the YouTube clips. But he looks like a proper modern day… Read more »
Ziyech has just put up a worldie season for Ajax though including top level CL knockout football.
And he’s been dominating the Dutch League for years, best player there by a country mile going off of Whoscored.
A little different to a guy putting up okish numbers at Palace.
I thought that Palace had rejected a 50m bid already?
Weagle
Oh I know he loses the ball mate, but he’s forever probing and you could argue he loses the ball so much because he’s always trying to piggy back Palace where he wouldn’t need to at Arsenal.
He’s not world class, but nothing about Sterling is either yet he’s a world class operator. I think Zaha is capable of that sort of impact for a team like us. Not in outright goals, but pure ability to unsettle and disorganise. For the fee talked about though? No, laughable valuation.
I think Zaha will almost certainly jump to a new level if he moves to a big club. He is signle handedly carrying Palace as an attacking force. Think he would do well, and is certainly much much much better than having Iwobi on the wing, or moving Auba away from CF nonsensically to accommodate a lesser CF in Lacazette. Ultimately, he isnt worth £70m and I think Palace will be holding out for silly money. Look at how much they want for AWB, a £25m player at best. Good players need to stop signing long term contracts at these… Read more »
That’s exactly it WE. How the fudge are people getting so excited about someone who just broke 10 goals for the first time at Crystal Palace and he’s being priced ridiculously high. Its mind boggling. You can get so much better for less elsewhere on the continent.
gambon His role at Celtic has been impressive given his age, as shit a league as it is he’s been a starter for them since he was 18. Sounds great and really we’re crying out for a two way wideman, ironically Kolasinac was considered a defensive rock for Schalke before we signed him and we found out soon enough that he was a steaming pile of shit on the defensive end. Clunky fucker can barely run as well without blowing out of his arse. Re the step up, VVD is obviously who you would look at and hope that Tierney… Read more »
Wenger eagle
Re; “Doesn’t move the needle and get us that much closer to our rivals imo.”
Have to say I agree with you. I find some of the Zaha-mania going on to be ridiculous. I don’t think Zaha moves the needle much too.
Charlie Well that would be a different argument then if the fee was closer to the 30-40m range. I’d still be hesitant in paying it as I think you could find a better player on the continent for that price [look at Brandt going for 25m]. I hear you, he has a far greater workload at Palace than he would here and has to put on a 1 man show at times resulting in more dispossessions, worry about his combination play and technique though because he’s only ever really cracked on with a lower level PL team. No exposure to… Read more »
We are also being linked with Thauvin whats your thoughts on him?
‘Good players need to stop signing long term contracts at these smaller PL clubs. They need to demand buy out clauses as well. The likes of Wan Bissaka, Zaha, Chilwell, Maguire, Maddison would all be at big clubs next season if they had been smarter when they signed their current contracts.’ Spot on, lower table PL clubs are in the unique position of being able to put up transfer fees and wages comparable to top 4-6 clubs [outside of the elite] elsewhere in Europe so they’re not in a position where they have to sell up if the big boys… Read more »
Isn’t Maguire still being linked to United though?
Dissenter there is no Zaha mania
The issue here is calling him a flop and saying so so and so are better players because they happen to play in the Eredivisie or play for a shit Fiorentina side that narrowly avoided relegation.
Or because they are younger and have resale value (false with regards to Ziyech who is just months younger)
Give the man his due, he has carried Palace to safety for a few seasons now and will indeed improve a team with zero natural wide players
City I meant.
‘The issue here is calling him a flop’
Pretty sure that nobody is calling him a flop in fact.
Or because they are younger and have resale value (false with regards to Ziyech who is just months younger)
I said Neres has significant resale value and Ziyech had far superior technical ability and could play in other positions as well. He also was a flop at United and assuming that his price is upwards of 30ish million there are better and younger players elsewhere. You’re really having a hard time with it all Receding.
‘Leftside
It’s ‘PedRo’, not ‘PeDro’.’
It’s idiot, spelt idiot in regards to the guilty party
Maybe we can give Iwobi to Palace + some cash for Zaha, now that would be a great deal!
PedRo “””””it seems like we’re the only club going hard for him.”””””” Which tells us – everything we need to know. Other clubs have scouted him- and have their doubts…Big Doubts… His injury record is horrendous for such a young player…. That will never change It never does… We don’t want our own Scottish Jack Wilshere….. We need to buy bulletproof players with unblemished injury records. He can be as talented as the great Kevin Beattie – but if the body is crock- it’s all futile. Let’s not kids ourselves here- the huge jump in class from the SPL are… Read more »
loooooool at the Squillaci picture!!
(such a great resume of what’s wrong at the club since a decade)
Tick Tock…
Re Zaha, the issue is more about the fee that Palace would hold out for rather than being a knock on his ability.
Having said that, he’s done little in my book to be worth spending over 40m on. If he was putting up these numbers at 22, very different story.
Marko
I did not watch Ajax regularly last season. Do you see Neres as the real deal, a player with end product, or a player with speed who is more of a chaos agent on the wing?
Receding
Even the people who are reserved about Zaha will agree that he’s a a great talent that’s wasting away at Palace.
They have a crazy transfer fee quoted because I think they will get relegated without Zaha. They don’t want to sell him because they know no one will pay that fee. They will probably raise his wages when the window closes.
Dream he’s a brilliantly fast tireless worker with goals and assists to his game. He can suffer from making the right decision sometimes but there’s absolutely no doubting his quality. Considering some of the fees paid out for some of the recently bought Brazilians (from the Brazilian league) at Real and Barca I think Neres would be a steal in hindsight
Re; Torriera
I’ve been saying from the get-go that I don’t want any lily-livered dwarf whose puny feelings are hurt by the typical British grey skies or downpours.
Someone should have told him before he signed that the best thing about British summers are that the rain is just warmer.
The moment anyone makes a good offer, sell and replace.
The lad is not that special, enough with the whining. Wenger starved us of defensive mids for so long that the first typical one we signed looked like gold.
Since joining Ajax he’s scored 32 goals and 33 assists
Re; Torriera
I think Beilik can do that job with aplomb. I’m a late convert.
The lad is one of the stand-outs of the U-21 Euros
Marko
Looks like he lost his placein the Brazil XI.
Everton Soares has done well in his place with a couple of goals. Willian making a couple of substitute appearances as well. Neres is probably the third choice option on the left.
Bielik, Smith Rove, Martinelly .. already my expectations are rising
I like this no nonsense- truth telling new Dissenter…
(Absolutely concur.)
He should thank his lucky stars he is playing for The Arsenal.
He is so Bang Average…..
And a teary Mummys Boy to Boot.
What a horrible concoction….
We need Men not Mice…
If we had Cloughie in charge- he would have locked him in the Kit man laundry basket over the summer….
Get Shot!
You got to be careful with Eredivisie players.
Jahanbakhsh scored 21 goals and got 12 assists for AZ Alkmaar, joined Brighton and in 19 apps he has 0 goals and 0 assists.
I think Beilik can do that job with aplomb. I’m a late convert.
Good one. So you’re convinced we should sell Torreira and Mavropanos after such a short period of time and at the same time convinced that Bielik can do a job based on his exploits at an under 21 tournament. Fair play
“Having said that, he’s done little in my book to be worth spending over 40m on. If he was putting up these numbers at 22, very different story.“ I know where you’re coming from but I disagree in as much as there’s more paths a successful player can take. Some burst on the scene and only get better, some enter the convo mid twenties like a train, some flop early and recover to lofty levels. Point for me is this: Zaha absolutely shits on everything we have, and is as nailed on as it gets compared to any of the… Read more »
CA on the money mate, Ziyech and Neres looked pretty tasty in the CL though.
Some of you clearly never saw my comment previously about Tierney. Guy has clocked up 179 (inc 12 international) appearances in 4 years. Averages more than 44 a year.
Wilshere is at 279 in just under 11 years. Averages 25 a year.
It’s not even close.
Dream
That Everton Soares looks quality doesn’t he?
Been the star of the Copa so far for me. Absolute whippet that skins defenders for breakfast 1 vs 1.
Don’t get a Bernard vibe off of him either, lad looks very confident and able to deal with the pressure of the nutter Brazil supporters.
Looks like he lost his placein the Brazil XI.
Never really had a place to begin with. Plus I wouldn’t really read too much into Brazil under Tite. Dani Alves still plays for them and the amount of times he played Gabriel over the clearly more inform Firmino last summer. Over looks Fabinho too
WE I have slight concerns about Neres having watched him play, I can see someone going for him and him just not taking to the EPL. Ziyech on the other hand I would be far more comfortable with, he put himself about against Spurs who are a seriously physical team and seems to have the engine and tenacity which will help him in the EPL. I always worry about imports from Eredivise though. I remember when some Arsenal fans were going on and on about Janssen years back because he was cheap and would be better than Giroud. Banging them… Read more »
‘Point for me is this: Zaha absolutely shits on everything we have’
I’m with you Charlie and look, were we to sign Zaha I’d embrace him with open arms.
I just think that there are better players out there that we could have for less is all.
Zaha would be a significant upgrade over Iwobi.
Zaha and Aube-bludclart-yang in the same team is the kind of pace and action I would happily want to see.
Zaha loves taking players on as well. Love that in footie when a fullback gets nutmegged 🤤🤤
True you’ve got to be careful about players from eredivisie though I’d argue the exploits in the Champions League prove otherwise. You could also argue something similar to having doubts over a nearly 27 year old who’s just coming off his best season of 10 goals and 10 assists
Biggles
I did.
And excellent research.
Fact is.
The huge jump in class.
Will clearly mean More injuries Not Less.
Buying Scottish players from SPL for 20 millions is insane..
Q) How we know this.?
A) its never happened before….
“Bielik, Smith Rove, Martinelly .. already my expectations are rising”
Ah ah ah!!
“Get Shot!”
Tick Tock!!
Wenger Eagle
Yep, he looks interesting. He made mince meat of Advincula (who is a tremendous athlete). Milan want to sign him. He seems to be a good counterbalance to Willian on the opposite side who provides better collective play.
I know Firmino provides more team play, but I would like to see Gabriel Jesus as the #9. Play Firmino as the #10 and Coutinho on the left if necessary. Good to have a CF who is eager to run in behind
CA
I’ve actually been very vocal on here in recent times of being wary of buying from Holland so you’re on the money in my book. This list of flops far outweighs the successful exports.
Having said that, this Ajax side are different. That CL run was seriously the most impressive one I’ve seen from a side outside of the top Euro leagues. Shame that they bottled it vs the Spuds and Lucas’ left boot was possessed that night.
Arsenal are in imminent danger of becoming a second tier Club. I mean in the EPL, in Europe we already are second tier. For me that means a Club which generally ends the premier league season somewhere in the middle, somewhere between seventh and fourteenth. The way things are, with the current personnel, we don’t stand a chance of making the top 4. We all know which Clubs they are likely to be, no need to name them. It’s possible that Man U might break in, but under OGS I think that unlikely. That leaves us, and Clubs like Everton,… Read more »
10 goals and 5 assists actually.
So is 30 mil good value if he totally underwhelms vs say a negotiated 50 mil for Zaha? Is this even a serious question? First off there’s absolutely no guarantee whatsoever with Zaha let’s get that out of the way. This notion that because he plays in the premier league and therefore the potential to be a flop is significantly less so than compared to (imo a better) player from a poor league isn’t worth the extra 20 million. Zaha has serious question marks over him. His failure at United his numbers and his recent comments about whether or not… Read more »
Dream Yeah and I like Advincula too, thought he was great at the WC last summer. Yeah perhaps needs to work on his combination play a bit but looks to have end product as well as pretty amazing 1 vs 1 skills. Leonardo still is with Milan isn’t he? They brought Paqueta in so you’d imagine that he’ll secure Everton too. Would love if Edu has in fact signed up and put up a fight here haha. I think that Jesus is playing very well, lad has done everything but score. Just needs to break that duck as it’s become… Read more »
“Arsenal are in imminent danger of becoming a second tier Club. I mean in the EPL”
I don’t want to ruin the mood, but it’s already the case since a few seasons.
“Arsenal are in imminent danger of becoming a second tier Club. I mean in the EPL”
I don’t want to ruin the mood, but it’s already the case since a few seasons.
Looooool was thinking the same thing 😂
We keep talking about being smarter in the transfer market well 50 million for Zaha isn’t smart. Especially given there’s better and cheaper elsewhere
Leonardo is at PSG now
I too don’t think that’s it’s dead certain that Zaha will do that well at Arsenal
His role at Palace is to use his dribbling skills to get penalties and free-kicks that they can profit from. He’s a ball-hugging player who has to be the center of the team to make it work.
Do we really wan’t to build a counter attacking that depends on free-kicks and 50-50 penalty calls around Wilfred Zaha?
Id rather we play Nelson than splurge 50 mil on Zaha. Definitely smarter moved out there for half that price.
Zaha has serious question marks over him. Zaha made only two Premier League appearances as a substitute before being allowed to join Cardiff on loan in January 2014. “Obviously, getting to United isn’t easy, so not being given a chance is hard to take. I don’t regret anything because it made me stronger. I feel as though I can deal with anything now,” he said. “I went through so much with United, with England. There were rumours that the reason I wasn’t playing for United was because I slept with David Moyes’s daughter, and no one attempted to clear that… Read more »
Question marks only over his price tag.
Experiences can do a lot to a player. People say stupid shit all the time. I wouldn’t hold Zaha to that.
Everton could be a decent pick up. I’ve only seen him linked with United though
Wenger Eagle
Yeah just the final touch for Gabriel Jesus is missing. You’re right that he never looked like scoring the penalty. A shortage of confidence. It’s happened to better player than him. Not an issue. 18 months ago, he could do no wrong. Socring for fun and looked a superstar. Remember that iconic celebration with Coutinho and Neymar pretending they were on the phone?
Nah, Leonardo returned to PSG. Believe Gazidis pushed him out.
Put it this way, Jadon Sancho at 18/19 is already a better player than Zaha at 26/27.
I also wouldn’t have Zaha in the same conversation as Sterling.
Dream Yeah he quietly put up quite respectable numbers for Citeh this season, 23 goals in 46 apps but many as a sub. For the national side, he has been very short of confidence ever since the World Cup where he was crushed back home for failing to score a goal, hardly helped by Firmino being bang in form for Liverpool at the time. The pressure from NT fans worldwide pales in comparison to that of Brazilians. Which is magnified dramatically when it comes to the World Cup, the only competition that they seem to care about. He’s still a… Read more »
Tierney, Zaha.
Fine.
But….who is going to be the creative force (#10). OZil is our only current option
englandsbest
Regrettably,Arsenal became “a second tier club” once they allowed Wenger and Gazidis to play their silly games.
I can hear some of you saying “here we go again, blame Wenger for everything”……..but it’s true.
Apathy tends to have this impact on any environment, but at Arsenal FC because of a complete lack of self awareness, the consequences were always going to be catastrophic.
Of course, you all knew that.
Marko
Zaha is as close to banker as you get when looking for someone to come into the side and play to their level and beyond.
Look no further than last seasons crush Keita, absolute tripe this season which highlights the very clear adaptation there is to consider when recruiting platers. Zaha has none of that, same with Doucoure. Both would walk into the side and perform week after week. There’s a premium for that too.
Le massive Coq .
Absolutely no good having the guns.
But no bullets.