Emery’s numbers look very bad

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Day two and the pain is still pretty intense.

I find the defence of the manager quite baffling, especially considering how strong the evidence of his failings has been. Underlying and data and literally what you’ve been watching all season tells a clear story. So spare the detailed unpicking of his body language or the theorising over why he said nothing in the changing room after the game.

Granit Xhaka, a man who has been front and centre for most of the experience is even a touch deluded about it all.

“I think we had a good season, if you take off the five last games in the Premier League.”

Oh my Granit, oh my. That said, he refused to answer the question as to whether we improved this season under Unai Emery. Well Granit, I can answer you, simply, no we didn’t.

I’m stealing some of Gambon’s posts that explicitly lay this out with hard numbers.

By all accounts, the above is pretty shocking. You can say what you will about Arsene Wenger, but it was clear the problem with him in his last 2-3 seasons was his drifting further and further away from the basics. We mostly blamed poor tactics, a lack of preparation, a blindness to squad needs (which Sven went a way to fixing) and a loss of fire that once drove him to greatness.

When we hired in the new person, we hired in a ‘coach.’ The point of a coach is that they should have the ability to move the club forward without spending £400m. We even had the argument last year that we couldn’t hire in someone like Allegri because he’d want NOW money. Emery was the coach. Training would be high energy, he was a prep machine and he wouldn’t allow the players to be cowards.

So aside from it being clear that performance indicators have dipped, and it being obvious that the culture of the club hasn’t been shifted in an entire year, the other item people keep on comparing to is Liverpool.

Klopp came in, moved Liverpool from 10th to 8th. A poor return they say, that was rectified with time, money and patience. Yes, but remember, those three elements are a reward for tangible progress.

Again, we are in single data point territory. Football fans are utterly terrible with stats, so let me paint a picture using someone else’s.

Just to add to the above. As the season wore on, Klopp’s Liverpool side greatly improved. His team scored 52% of its entires PL seasons goals in the last 13 games. The fans were being electrified with rock and roll football. You could clearly see that without buying players, that Klopp was impacting the players, the culture and the energy around the club.

Additionally harping back to the goals conceded issue, I find it slightly worrying that we’re expecting a coach with limited defensive pedigree to fix our defence. At Sevilla, over his three seasons in which he finished 5th, 5th and 7th… he averagely shipped 49 goals a year. He look over a defence at PSG that had conceded 19 goals, when it was handed over, it clocked up to 27, then 29 in his final year.

‘BUT WHO WOULD COME TO ARSENAL FOR £6M A YEAR’

I have to tell you Arsenal fans, this is the most middle class ‘I live in a bubble’ comment I read.

Arsenal is a powerhouse club. You can bitch about it, you can say its dead, you can say we’re not attractive… but you’d be so fucking wrong. If Liverpool can attract Jurgen Klopp to live on Merseyside with a team that was sitting in 10th, with the promise of zero net spend for 2 full seasons, then Arsenal are not going to have a problem hiring in a top manager to take us forward.

Yes, the owner didn’t go to the game. But really, what are you bitching about there? Its YOUR sentimentality you’re whining about. Stan K isn’t in the day to day of any of his clubs, and why would you want him to be? Raul and Vinai run the show.

Stan can be called many things, but uninterested seems a bit of a meek jab. He invested as much of Arsenal’s self-generated money as he could have, we are the 3rd highest net spenders in the league over 5 years and we have spent more net than Madrid over 10 years. We have a £230m wage bill compared to Spurs at £140m. We fired Arsene Wenger and his team at a cost of £17m last year. Stan signed off on Ozil at £350k a week. We built a new structure at the club at great expense, and to be fair, the structure is modern and forward thinking. We paid £2m for a head of high performance. We brought in Sven for £2m a year. We revamped the training facilities at great expense. We are not lacking money and the myth that Stan is all about profit just doesn’t stack up against any sort of inspection.

‘he should write us a cheque for players!’

Look at what is happening to Manchester City with regards to flooding the club with cash injections that are allegedly not what they seem.

Anyway, my point being is this: It’s poor leadership to look at what Emery has done in his year, and think the right move is to carry on as is.

He was hired as a coach, his coaching has taken us backwards.

The easiest and most impactful thing we can do is change the manager. Rethink what we’ve lacked and make a bold decision. We will call it the Bruce Rioja moment.

We need a true leader. Someone who will bring some swagger back to the club. We need someone who the players want to fight for. Someone players desperately want to play under because they know they will improve. Someone in the mould of you know who down the road.

We also need someone with a distinct vision of how the game should be played. Emery’s chameleon approach is non-committal. How many teams have successfully been able to implement both possession football and counter-attacking at the same time? It’d be a monumental achievement to make that happen, and we certainly couldn’t do that on a budget.

My big worry is clearing out problematic players is all well and good, but if you are replacing into a blurred vision of football, you are actually further damaging the club. Emeryball is awful to watch. It’s not the next level. But we appear to be going hard at giving a failing manager the keys to our next 3 years. That is a terrifying prospect.

Is chameleon football part of The Arsenal DNA?

I had hoped not.

I was hoping that the good bits Wenger left would remain. I want Arsenal to play the most electric brand of football on the planet. I want Arsenal to embark on a transfer policy that prioritises the best young players that boast extreme technical capabilities, combined with outrageous power and pace. Give me what Ajax and Dortmund have, but bump it up two notches.

Instead, we’ll fall back on ‘class’, which is code for ‘lack of ambition’, and we’ll kick to tough decision can down the road for next season.

It’s a brutally miserable view, but the MD of the club apparently sent out an e-mail asking for people to get some perspective on yesterday. Someone ask Petr Cech whether that happens at CFC after an appalling showing at a final? Barcelona? Madrid?

The real perspective is we’re not built for success. We have a fancy structure, but as I keep on saying, if you do not fill that with the very best people, you are in trouble.

That said, the one HUGE positive I can give you is the noise around Edu is very positive. Firstly, there’s no kingmaker aspect to this hire. Raul is hiring him in because he’s good. You don’t do great things at Corinthians, then take a job with Brazil to be told by Raul you have to sign Ever Banega. Edu also has a lot of sauce about him, the guy looks money, and he knows the DNA of Arsenal and Brazil.

… but he has to be allowed to take an axe to the substandard people at Arsenal. He has to implement a vision, set aggressive targets and hold people accountable for delivering them. We cannot continue to skip along into the footballing abyss pretending our problems are going to be solved by throwing a boatload of cash at people that don’t know how to send it.

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments.

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  1. Un na naai

    Marko

    I’ll guarantee you that Willock will not be loaned
    Neither will Maitland NilesWishful thinking on your part
    We have £40m to spend. Emery failed to attain champions league status
    Have you not been watching us over the last 6 weeks? We are about as appealing as thrush thrush right now and the club have made clear to expect youth to be pushed forward next seasonIn short: don’t get your hopes up for shiny new toys, you’re going to be disappointed.
    Same shit different manager. The club have been talking the piss out of fans from the day we moved stadium and worse so since Kroenke got involved. I’d say we are going to lose Europa league status in the next 5-10 years unless something drastically changes in the way the board room operates. Small club mentality now from top down
    Get used to it. This is our level now

  2. Marko

    I’ll guarantee you that Willock will not be loaned
    Neither will Maitland Niles

    You love a good average player don’t you Don. AMN shouldn’t just be sold he should be shot out of a cannon from a speeding train over a nice meadow filled with thorn bushes.

  3. Marko

    We’ve all heard the gambon stuff before it’s not new or shocking Pedro. What is shocking is the expectant improvement inside a season at Arsenal. Agree or disagree I think more and more people are realising that it’s not a quick fix to sort out Arsenal after the latter part of the Arsene Wenger era. It also doesn’t help that we have an owner totally uninterested in the goings on at Arsenal

  4. Un na naai

    Marko

    Am I wrong? Did Willock out perform the rest of our midfield?
    Will he be loaned next season? How do you know he’s average? I’m sure you thought Milner and Henderson were average until klopp has them dominating Barca fucking lona

    Willock could very well turn out to be a great midfielder for us. You won’t kniw if you don’t give him the chance
    He’s certainly not fazed by the big occasion as evidenced in the final.

  5. Receding Hairline

    As an aside i think Emery was trying to pass a message when he said the below in that interview with El Mundo or something

    “I want to ensure that the defeats hurt more, because it is a step to improve competitively. I want the mourning of defeat to be greater than two hours.”

    Peter Cech also touched on it

    Seems our players reaction to defeat leaves a lot to be desired, they just accept it and move on.

  6. Thank you and goodnight.

    Ive stuck up for Emery all season as in all honesty we’ve been poor squad wise for years. But I did expect some improvements and unfortunately he has failed to deliver. Not just the last 5 games but the Europa League final was an absolute disgrace against an average Chelsea team. If he can’t improve the squad with 70 million then what the fuck will he improve with basically same team plus 40 million to spend. Truth is his times up at Arsenal and it would be unfair to him as well to prolong his stay any longer.

  7. Un na naai

    Marko

    Yes we expect an improvement with a “better coach” and £70m spent on defensive players
    Not regression
    Otherwise why bother hiring emery at all

  8. Mark S

    This summer I’m more interested in who we can sell, instead of who we can bring into the club. I remember 2000-2012 when we would head into the summer worried we would lose a big name from the club. With this current team, is there anyone that you feel the same way about? Lacazette…maybe?

  9. Siddharth14

    A cracking post. Like I said earlier in the comments, it is difficult to even come up with one reason why we should persist with Emery.

    Attributing the failure and collapse entirely on the players and the management is selective myopia.

    I seriously hope the silence from Arsenal is towards Josh and the Management giving a serious thought to the Emery experiment.

  10. Un na naai

    Marko

    On AMN

    I disagree. He’s not a right back and he’s done well there. Better than jenkison and Lichtensteiner who’ve both played right back at top league level and champions league for years
    If you’re expecting the boy to immediately turn into Cafu then you’ve set your expectations too high

    Funny because you’ve set the bar so low for emery, I wonder how you ever had a gripe with wenger at all. Emery can’t put coach his weakest season in 22. Sad but true

  11. Champagne Charlie

    “Exclusive interview with Liverpool owner John W Henry on all Sky Sports News platforms now. Says winning Champions League won’t make up for missing out on the title. Liverpool will go again and invest this summer to make sure they win Premier League next season”

    Dissenter, there’s what I’m talking about regarding mentality and approach.

    Compare these utterances with Vinai’s INTERNAL message of ‘stick together guys, we’re mint’.

  12. Bunga Party

    “What is shocking is the expectant improvement inside a season at Arsenal.”

    Are you serious? Fans can’t expect even a small improvement in 50 odd games.

    Get your head out of your ass!

  13. Champagne Charlie

    “We’ve all heard the gambon stuff before it’s not new or shocking Pedro. What is shocking is the expectant improvement inside a season at Arsenal“

    Heard it all before but you don’t seem to wrap your head around what’s being argued.

    Look at the trajectory of improvement with the respective managers. Then answer why Emery wasn’t able to deliver a positive curve but Klopp was – with less games, no signings, and no pre-season?

    It’s such a glaring point at this stage, it’s not speculative, it’s not deluded, we haven’t improved.

  14. Marko

    I refuse to get into a debate with anyone with regards to AMN anymore. He’s so blatantly bang average it’s unreal. Either they don’t see it or they can’t see it. Either way it’s a waste of my time to discuss such an obvious poor player.

  15. Receding Hairline

    “Attributing the failure and collapse entirely on the players and the management is selective myopia.”

    You witnessed something you have witnessed again and again, what’s the common denominator here? Yes the players …there is a reason some of us have it in for the players while ignoring the manager who has been here a year and has probably just a year more to go if he does not deliver

  16. Un na naai

    Marko

    As it is with anyone who refuses to see what a catastrophic failure Unai Emery has been as manager of arsenal.

  17. Bunga Party

    “We have good players, we need a new manager to get us the results.”

    “Oh, it’s the players!”

  18. Receding Hairline

    “It’s such a glaring point at this stage, it’s not speculative, it’s not deluded, we haven’t improved.”

    Yea probably because your key players have hit their ceiling and have no room for improvement

    I mean if every player can be improved why do most coaches do a squad overhaul

    Pochettino has brought in 23 players at Spurs for example

    If 5 players at 70m is the magic number for improvement why the need for 18 more

  19. Un na naai

    Rh

    Every single player in our squad bar Cech and jenkinson can be improved by klopp or pep or klopp.

  20. Receding Hairline

    “We have good players, we need a new manager to get us the results.”

    No one here has ever said we have a good squad, yes some think the U23 are mint or we should have kept “super jack” but most of the anger towards Wenger was his poor squad building and waste of money of average to poor players

  21. Receding Hairline

    “Every single player in our squad bar Cech and jenkinson can be improved by klopp or pep or klopp.”

    Whatever makes it easier for you to sleep at night

    Yet Pep has spent 600m at City who had a better squad than ours when he joined

  22. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    “Yea probably because your key players have hit their ceiling and have no room for improvement”

    I’m struggling to understand your point.

    Are you suggesting all our players played at their maximum this season?

    Gambon just highlighted we performed better last season, so immediately that suggestion is untrue. I think you’re stretching the truth to epic lengths if you’re suggesting our players maxed out their inputs this season and couldn’t have been improved by alternative coaching – or any coaching may be more accurate.

  23. Receding Hairline

    ” Edu also has a lot of sauce about him, the guy looks money, and he knows the DNA of Arsenal and Brazil.”

    Looks seem to mean a lot to you Pedro, this is football not Mr Macho or Mr Universe. I don’t care how ugly you look as long as you deliver on your KPI’s

  24. izzo

    Honestly there was no improvement. Improvement would’ve been finishing 3rd like we should’ve with the last 5 games but the players and Emery failed so they should both be axed. Why reward such a pathetic way in which the failures transpired with another year of lets face it, the same shit. We can start over. Other clubs sack their failing coaches + players so why not us? I don’t see what the fuss is about. Axe them and move on. Sheesh! Peace out!

  25. Marko

    Then answer why Emery wasn’t able to deliver a positive curve but Klopp was – with less games, no signings, and no pre-season?

    Both are not comparable. I honestly don’t know why people always did it. What Klopp inherited and was able to do at Liverpool isn’t the same as what was at Arsenal. Plus they’re different managers. Klopp is a better manager. The comparison was always pointless I thought. A better comparison would have been Emery to the other candidates last summer but that’d be hypothetical. I’ll say one thing though if Emery inherited some hard workers like Henderson and Milner some characters with some fight and some great academy prospects like Trent Alexander things might have been a bit different. Slightly I’d say. Question does anyone see Klopp doing what he done at Liverpool with the current Arsenal squad? I have significant doubts an awful lot of players here couldn’t do what Klopp would demand. But anyway all irrelevant at the end of the day

  26. Bunga Party

    “Other clubs sack their failing coaches ”

    Other clubs sack their winning coaches. I thought after Wenger we are entering this new territory for us.

    Looks like all we want to do is reward failures.

  27. Receding Hairline

    “But we appear to be going hard at giving a failing manager the keys to our next 3 years. That is a terrifying prospect.”

    Nothing terrifying here

    He has one year left on his deal and an option for a third which i reckon is based on performance. If Raul sticks to his words and Edu is as good as you think his performances will be well evaluated

    There was always a chance we would not qualify for the champions league this season, i don’t buy into the pretense we all thought it was nailed on, it wasn’t.

  28. Bunga Party

    4 points in 18 points available.
    Not a single so called top club.

    That should be enough regardless of the europa result.

  29. Receding Hairline

    “Gambon just highlighted we performed better last season, so immediately that suggestion is untrue.”

    Did we now? Well that’s news to me

    Last season was the worst i have ever seen Arsenal, but you are of course allowed to draw your own conclusions or in this case follow gambon’s

  30. Moe

    We are not built for success, says Pedro. Then he goes on to berate Emery and absolve the owner. The irony is glaring.

    Emery’s coaching has taken us backwards, says Pedro. May very be true, but pales in comaparison to how aloof Kroenke’s ownership has stagnated us for a decade.

    Perspective please, Senor Pedro. Emery may be crap, but Stan is a crappier. And yes, he’s in it for the bottom line only. He pretty much said so a few years back in an interview when he didn’t agree that winning trophies was the ultimate measure of success.

    Mediocrity has been accepted at Arsenal for a long while now. Look no further than ownership for allowing that to fester. I bet you if his net worth starts to dwindle, you will see dramatic changes.

  31. Marko

    Gambon just highlighted we performed better last season

    … you do realize that we have some players that have been declining year on year right? Ozil 9 then 8 then 3 assists. Monreal and Koscielny obviously steadily declining. That certain aspects of this team is worse from last year isn’t a surprise because you have the same declining players. I’ll make a bet with you if you see Mustafi and Kolasinac and Monreal and Koscielny and Ozil in Arsenal’s team next season you will not see an improvement.

  32. Receding Hairline

    Peter Cech reckons a lot of good work has gone into this season and we will reap the rewards going forward

    Sokratis thinks the same

    Two experienced heads who have been around and played under some very good coaches

    Forgive me if listen to what they have to say more than i listen to you Charles

    And all this Klopp nonsense has to end, he is on a different level to Emery

    Emery is on a different planet to Arteta the man he beat for the job

  33. Marko

    Anyway this whole thing is pointless he’s not being sacked this summer. Maybe next but not this. It would set some precedent to prospective future managers improve us and have us playing good football inside one season or else. And us a Europa league team with Europa League players. Poor old Paddy Vieira or Nagelsmann are destined for failure

  34. Biggles

    You ever heard of Goodhart’s Law?

    In it’s truest form it’s “Any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes.” but the lay version is “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.”

    This is relevant, because you hold up goals scored, goals conceded, chances, xG etc as why we didn’t make progress. Yes, you want to improve on these metrics, but you can’t make them targets because then you start peppering shots from the half-way line, or playing a flat back five to stop other teams scoring and neither of these things are measures of success. The measures of success are league place, points total, trophies won. Liverpool played a blinder in the league this season… but history will forget this, regardless of their metrics.

    Looking back at Bruce Rioch and Wenger… there was definitely low hanging fruit to be had back then. “Tony, try not to be still drunk when you play”. But it wasn’t just that, it was replacing folk like Steve Morrow with people like Patrick Vieira and swapping out Paul Dickov for Nicolas Anelka that made the difference.

    Nowadays, the low hanging fruit is all gone. Wenger put pepper sauce all over that fruit and made chow. Everybody and their dog has nutritionists and athletics coaches. Video analysis is par for the course, not something special. That particular special sauce from 23 years ago is now in the supermarkets and Emery has it just as much as Guardiola does. It isn’t special any more.

    That isn’t to say that another coach won’t do better. There will be some that can. But the big wins are all about changing players, not coaches. Not even his highness Arteta is going to get Ozil to put in a shift.

    Focus on the squad is by far the most important part of the summer.

  35. gambon

    Marko

    I find it hilarious that you are so backed into a corner on Emery that you just refuse to even accept you may be wrong.

    This constant deferring of improvement until further down the line.

    You seem to think that a team should be no better after 11 months, £70m, 50 games and 200 training sessions?

    So how long does it take? 16 years? 120years?

    Should we expect to concede 48 goals in the year 2214?

  36. Pedro

    Biggles,

    No one targets xG.

    It’s a supporting metric to get under the skin of true performance.

    Sometimes you can beat it, but generally, xG gets corrected over a season.

    Emery and OGS found this out.

    I wrote about it at the time… my take was we’re either going to come out the back end of all this xG luck and get better as Emery’s ideas settle, or we’re going to get a massive correction.

    We landed the correction.

  37. S Asoa

    Receding

    Take what players in a team are saying about the Club with a pinch of salt.
    It is a dictatorship at football Clubs and a manager decides factoring how much he likes you. So players usually are buttering up.

  38. Words on a Blog

    Like everyone, Pedro is entitled to his own view, and that view is that the principal problem at Arsenal is not the squad but Emery. That’s fine, he’s a well-informed and opiniated blogger with a substantial following.

    My fear is that his views are aligned with a faction of managers within the club. I’m not sure that they’re the decision-makers, but they would certainly have an input into the decision making process.

    And because it’s cheaper to hire and fire a manager than it is to radically re-shape a squad, that faction is likely to attract the ear of Stan and Josh, and they just might be tempted to sack Emery and economise and compromise on the squad rebuilding. after all, it’s their “self-sustaining model”.

    So we end up with a special sauce manager and a crappy squad, the team struggles again (in actual or “expected statistical” terms) and the cycle is repeated.

    Pedro discovers that Herr Special Sauce is not so special after all, and decides to campaign against him.

    And we go again, ad infinitum.

  39. Pedro

    Champagne, that John Henry comment is for the players, the staff and the fans.

    We mean business.

    That’s winning mentality. Shoot for the stars.

  40. azed

    “Sometimes you can beat it, but generally, xG gets corrected over a season.”

    Pochettino has beat xG through out his tenure at Spurs……

    I’d like hear your explanation on that.

  41. Wasi

    Emery should first try to find his own style instead of copying and mixing other managers’s styles.That wont Ever work.If we can get Allegri then we should definitely axe emery(highly unlikely though).Yes klopp had improved liverpool but they still finished 8th ,8th!.Emery bottled it towards the tail end of the season but that was also the result of injuries to key players and fatigue.Emery’s training and indoor work was too much for the players and didnt he know that theres no winter break in the Prem(thats a mistake on his part which he will definitely correct the coming season.).Anyways whatever we speak on this blog emery will definitely be here next season so lets hope he does actually improve the team.
    The meunier links have me utterly confused.If we do sign him that means emery has no plan ir vision whatsoever.Why to sign a RB when we already have Bellerin there.We shouldnt even be thinking about a RB unless we offload AMN for 30 mil.So a direct swap is possible.
    We definitely need an upgrade on kolasinac,only if he had gotten thise simple crosses right,i still think we wouldve won the game if we took the lead in the first half(btw kola was poor last 5 months,and he actually cannot defend,the face he makes when he makes mistakes has me banging my head ugh)
    Lastly we need to get a leader in like Mourinho did when he got Zlatan.Manu actually managed to finish 2nd.The dressing room was quiet aftet a final loss,no characters in the team.Dani alves is not signing a contract act we need a Lichtsteiner replacement,we need a leader give him a contract for 2 years incentive based.And oh he has constantly stated he wants to play in the Prem .He is a leader,winner and still an excellent rb who can fill in at rw and midfield.
    lastly,im a big fanboy but if wr can offload him ,mkhi and other deadwood for someone like Brunk Fernandes im all in.
    About AMN,and willock definitely loan out willock so that he can get a full season at a top tier club in germamy or elsewhere .Amn i really dont know ,we dont even know his best position.Keep 1 more season.

  42. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    Come off it you are being ridiculous in your analysis of Emery’s track record
    this season.

    Okay we had a disappointing end of season and a particularly bad performance in Wednesday’s game.

    However, the idea that we were worse than last season as implied by the so-called stats of Gambon is nonsense.

    We won more games and lost fewer than last season + more points and we
    beat Chelsea, Spurs and Man Utd this season. Also we reached the Final of
    Europa Cup which we did not manage to do last season.

    What is true is that there are serious shortcomings in the team. Our defence
    has been a problem a situation not helped by the long term injuries to both
    Bellerin and Holding but more importantly the ongoing decline of both Monreal and Koscielny.

    Also we know that there were poor decisions made over contract with Ozil,
    recruitment of Mkhitaryan and the decision not to renew contract of Ramsey
    and play him. The first two decisions had absolutely nothing to do with Emery
    and the Ramsey decision may also have been a senior management decision as well.

    I accept some of the criticisms of Emery specifically team selections and how
    we played against Crystal Palace, but that does not mean that he was to blame
    for everything else is ridiculous.

    When it comes to the game in Bacu who would you have selected in your starting lineup which is different?Mkhitaryan refused to go and Ramsey was
    unfit. Mustafi was not selected and that was a decision that most posters on Le
    Grove agreed with.

    So we selected on paper our best team with the resources which were available considering unavailability through injuries.

    I don’t think that Emery is a brilliant manager and I would personally have recruited Arteta as you also did, but I can see the point that Emery was recruited as a safe pair of hands and considering his interview is unlikely to
    be at club more than three years whilst we are transitioning from the last
    decade of Wenger.

  43. Pedro

    Words, I’m not saying there is one problem to fix at Arsenal. I’m saying the manager is the easiest to fix short term… and that trying to fix the other problems with a bad manager isn’t a plan.

  44. Marko

    You seem to think that a team should be no better after 11 months, £70m, 50 games and 200 training sessions?

    No I’ve never said that you shouldn’t expect improvement my argument has always been we haven’t improved with certain players still at the club I’m not surprised at all. That people expect improvement with a core group of poor players some of whom are undoubtedly declining is a bit of a stretch. I’d be making the same argument whoever the manager was. It would have been great if Emery was able to improve many aspects of our play inside the first season it’d be pretty great if he did but it’s not a surprise that he didn’t. More needed to be done last summer when it wasn’t you could kind of see where we were heading at the end of it.

    Should we expect to concede 48 goals in the year 2214?

    If Emery is managing a defence with AMN, Sokratis, Koscielny, Monreal and Kolasinac in it I’d probably say yes. Also gambon I’m not backed into a corner sack him tomorrow for all I care it won’t change a thing his replacement will still need to replace half the squad and bring in better players on a Europa League budget.

  45. Receding Hairline

    RH, you don’t seem to care about KPIs when it comes to Emery?

    I do

    We started the season quite well, yes the numbers weren’t adding up but there was a change in general attitude and application, that disappeared the minute we lost at Southampton. These group of players love an excuse to perform at the very minimum, they fell back to their usual selves.

    We brought him on to compete for a top four finish, a club like Arsenal do not need a special sauce manager to beat Brighton and Palace at home, players doing their jobs should see to that. You Pedro blame him for rotating against Palace( Even though it was more forced than intentional) but if we cannot play squad players at home against Palace when can we play them and why are they still on our books??

    You are fixated on the manager, fair enough

    I am fixated on the players, when i see the right players with the right attitudes and attributes at this club and the coach is failing to get the best out of them, then that coach can also fcuk off whoever he is. At this moment we need at least 8 players to fcuk off more than we need the coach to.

  46. Words on a Blog

    Replacing the manager is secondary to, and a distraction from, the urgent and primary task of applying a scalpel, nah scrap that, a bone-saw to this squad, removing the decaying tissue and replacing it with vigorous fresh tissue.

  47. Paulinho

    “there is a reason some of us have it in for the players while ignoring the manager who has been here a year and has probably just a year more to go if he does not deliver”

    Yep, and there is a reason all of us who wanted Wenger out, and were content with Emery, still predicted us to finish 5th/6th this year.

    We have two limited strikers whose sole purpose or talent is converting chances and not much else. Absolute poverty midfield. Of course we are going to out-perform XG or straddle the line. There are no Hleb and Rosickys in our squad constantly calling for the ball and attacking defences and opening teams up.

  48. Marko

    Emery is destined to fail anyway there’s already a percentage of the fanbase turned on him so it really is a matter of time before he’s ditched. Next summer though not this. The question will then become will his replacement have a season to show he is up to the job?

  49. Biggles

    Pedro, seeing overall results correlate with a metric that was an outlier when averaged over a shorter time isn’t the same thing as saying Emery missed any kind of KPI. That’s basically my whole point, which you’ve more or less just gone and said the same thing.

    Which brings it back to “it’s the squad”.

    A place higher in the league, more points, making a European final instead of a semi-final… that’s all progress in KPI terms.

    Marko’s point about the decline year on year of certain players like Monreal is true. We can all see it on the pitch. Ozil is managing to be ever more anonymous. To improve your KPIs in the face of that isn’t failing.

    To be clear, I’d love to replace Emery with a superstar coach that is a frequent big winner. But Emery isn’t the weak link here. Would we go and replace Sokratis right now? No, because he’s not the weak link in the team. You’d replace Mustafi first. So why would you waste money firing Emery and his staff now, to spend more money to keep Mustafi and Ozil in the team?

  50. Receding Hairline

    And what even makes Emery a bad manager ??? I don’ get the persistent bad manager jibes

    This man has paid his dues as far as football management is concerned, i don’t get the blatant disrespect. Yes Pedro you don’t fancy him but at least stop making it seem like we hired a fraud who has never achieved anything of note in football management

    It muddles up all the good points you are making

  51. Champagne Charlie

    LThe comparison was always pointless I thought. A better comparison would have been Emery to the other candidates last summer but that’d be hypothetical.“

    Speaks volumes. So instead of benchmarking a strategy against another club with similar infrastructure and means. You’d rather argue hypothetically. Elite stuff

  52. azed

    ” I’m saying the manager is the easiest to fix short term… and that trying to fix the other problems with a bad manager isn’t a plan.”

    You don’t win the Europa league 3 times if you are a bad manager.

    Koscielny is 33
    Monreal is 33
    Sokratis is 30.

    Ozil, Mkhitaryan and Elneny are useless.

    We still run a self sustaining model. If you think the best use of limited funds is to sack a manager and take a gamble on another without getting in quality players, then I have nothing to say.

    By the way, check Liverpool’s xGa before and after VVD and see what quality players can do to xG.

  53. Receding Hairline

    “There are no Hleb and Rosickys in our squad constantly calling for the ball and attacking defences and opening teams up.”

    A player like Hleb will be like an injection of a performance enhancement drug to this team. a player that can take two to three opponents out the game with an outrageous bit of skill

    Yet somehow Pep bought him and failed to get the best out of him..riddle me that , going to great lengths to convince a player and not using him

  54. gambon

    “By the way, check Liverpool’s xGa before and after VVD and see what quality players can do to xG.”

    Or just check what Jurgen Klopp was able to do with 30 games, no pre-season, and no money.

  55. englandsbest

    Pedro

    There is a disconnect between the problems you identify and your solutions, In fact, a gaping hole. It reads like a bit of PR, exciting but empty.

    For example, who hired Emery? Stan, the man you absolve of all blame. Who approved him? Raul, the man whose appointment you celebrated. What make you certain that their replacement for Emery will be any better?

    The problems at Arsenal when Raul/Emery arrived seem to me to be (and still are) far worse than those faced by Klopp at Liverpool. He inherited Coutinho, nobody earned £350 K per week.

    Utter ruthlessness is required this summer. A brutality perhaps beyond Raul and Emery. In which case, both should be fired. Along with the CEO. Getting rid of Emery alone is asking for more of the same.

    If Stan is sensible he will hire the finest CEO around, a soccer fan who knows the game, and let him do the picking and choosing. The way it used to be with DD.

  56. Marko

    I wonder though if going forward the next managers target will be to improve our xG and all that as opposed to points or league position.

  57. Receding Hairline

    “Or just check what Jurgen Klopp was able to do with 30 games, no pre-season, and no money.”

    With an identical squad??

    With fullbacks who aren’t fullbacks??

    A midfield who can’t get out of a press??

    Two creative players who are semi retired??

  58. S Asoa

    Emery glaring failure is setting up a tight defence. Pedro’s analysis of his past record clearly shows his warts.
    Bould was retained for continuity as well as for for defensive acumen. Emery apparently is no less a manipulator than Wenger and somehow infiltrated his old defensive shit coaches intoArsenal and the results are obvious and Bould is pushed into insignificance.
    Perhaps, until a DF came in Kroenke Jr. at whose behest Bould was retained should have interjected to set things right. That’s the advantage of having passionate owners instead of dry sponges.

  59. jwl

    More points than last season, further in Europe, is a successful first season with this listless squad. I don’t care either way about Emery but I think it really stupid to fire coach now because we are going to bring in another coach new to England and then we have another wasted year while new guy gets up to speed on what it like in premier league.

    No one would be complaining about Emery if we won one more game this season and qualified for Champs League. The end of season was horrendous but that was due to lackadaisical players who can’t motivate themselves. Emery went without loss for twenty two game, he knows how to manage, it is the awful players we collected under Wenger and Gazidas that are number one problem.

  60. azed

    We scored similar goals to last season even though we took fewer shots. According to data, we beat our XG but to anyone who is more interested in why that happened(that is people that don’t have an agenda), we upgraded in the striking department.

    If Giroud and Aubameyang take the same number of shots, its almost certain Aubameyang will score more…

    Would you say Aubameyang is beating XG or would you just accept that he is a better striker than Giroud?

  61. gambon

    You cant improve a team without improving the xG vs xGA differential.

    You dont seem to understand this Marko, thats the problem.

    Youre effectively a flat-earther when it comes to this stuff.

  62. Marko

    Speaks volumes. So instead of benchmarking a strategy against another club with similar infrastructure and means. You’d rather argue hypothetically

    I’d rather not argue at all. I’d also rather not make a comparison to a great manager who has done a remarkable job in 4 years with a good manager who’s not done great in one. The scenarios are completely different I don’t know why people are going to compare the two

  63. Paulinho

    Klopp had players at Liverpool that were very much in his image. The likes of Henderson, Milner, Firmino Can…gave him an athletic base to build from. It’s not as is he’s bought a load of flair players since that are wildly different from them. Wijnaldum is another worker in their mould.

  64. azed

    “Or just check what Jurgen Klopp was able to do with 30 games, no pre-season, and no money.

    I thought we were talking about xGa’s and xG?

  65. gambon

    Azed

    Auba & Laca didnt exceed their xG at all.

    They scored exactly the number of goals that their shots and shot locations deserved.

    So that doesnt explain it.

  66. jwl

    And if Emery is poor coach, what about Poch and Sarri who barely finished above Arsenal with considerably better squads?

  67. gambon

    Azed

    We are.

    Klopp slightly improved Liverpools average xGA and massively improved their xG in his first 30 games, with no pre-season, and no transfers.

    Arsenals xG and xGA is worse now than it was at the start of the season.

  68. Biggles

    Of 38 players listed as on Liverpool’s books when Klopp took over, 16 of them are still there. A few of them are out on loan. Of those that have left, some were on frees (Can), some were sold for huge money (Coutinho), some have retired (Toure).

    Looking at our squad right now, how many would you still expect to be here in 4 years time? Leno, Torreira, Lacazette, Bellerin. Maybe a couple of youngsters who might still be on the books and out on loan having never made it.

    The Liverpool squad that Klopp took over was better than the Arsenal squad that Emery took over.

  69. Receding Hairline

    “And if Emery is poor coach, what about Poch and Sarri who barely finished above Arsenal with considerably better squads?”

    Come off it

    Are you suggesting we only missed out a third place finish by three points??

    Are you saying we scored more league goals than Chelsea and Spurs??

    Are you saying we finished higher than Spurs and Chelsea in the top six mini league??

    Are you saying all this happened with a manager in his first year of English football managing long term injuries in defense?

    Surely that can’t be right

  70. Champagne Charlie

    “Last season was the worst i have ever seen Arsenal, but you are of course allowed to draw your own conclusions or in this case follow gambon’s“

    There’s no following of anything, I’ve my own view on it but it’s been buttressed empirically by Gambons analysis.

    But you’re not sniping on here, def not.

  71. azed

    Gambon

    Buying better players would automatically improve you xG and xGa.

    Having prime John Terry instead of Mustafi would instantly improve our defence without coaching.

    Emery never plays with a back 3 but due to the nature of our players, he was forced to change his system. XG and XGA don’t take that into consideration.

    Do you think Klopp would be able to play his heavy metal football with a midfield of Xhaka and Ozil?

  72. Words on a Blog

    “Or just check out what Klopp was able to do – no preseason and no money”

    Actual goals against 2014/15: 48 (before Klopp)
    Actual goals against 2015/16: 50 (Klopp’s first season – no preseason)

    But no doubt you’re happy to ignore the actual metrics and focus on the Expected metrics.

  73. Marko

    You dont seem to understand this Marko, thats the problem.

    I could swear we’ve had a better points total and better points against the other top 6 side. Anyway forget it no improvement whatsoever. Time for Godzilla

  74. gambon

    azed

    Your points are completely irrelevant

    Klopp managed to improve performance significantly WITHOUT buying a single player.

    Emery has made no improvements despite a pre-season, £70m spent, and 5 new players.

  75. Receding Hairline

    “But you’re not sniping on here, def not.”

    Oh come on man

    Man up and make your points, enough with the sniping nonsense

    Is this a cry for attention from Pedro??

    It will be a pity if you genuinely believe Arsenal were a better team last season than this season ..a real pity

  76. Un na naai

    Marko

    Then why bother changing managers at all? What’s the point if we have the 5/6th best squad? Why did we waste our time with emery?
    All we needed was a new squad.

    Look. Emery has been hired to improve these players. All we had to do was win 1/6 games v mid table teams. Had the stall been set out correctly we’d have achieved champions league football. The final would have been a nasty end to the season but we’d have achieved our goal. The man failed. He had an easy run in with players who have been dismantling spurs chavs united Valencia and Napoli.

    These players can beat palace
    The players can beat Brighton. The fact that they didn’t perform on those particular days has to fall on the coach. He is responsible for the team’s performance.

    Mthey faield to perform against mid table teams.

  77. Marko

    Gambon quick question what happens if after another summer of purchases our xG and all that improves next season what then?

  78. Receding Hairline

    So we beat Spurs, Chelsea,Napoli,Valencia because we have good players and we lost to Brighton and Palace because we have a bad coach

    Solid argument …you win today Un na nai

  79. Words on a Blog

    The only hard statistics are goals for, goals against, points total, and league position.

    Everything else is either a derived number (e.g. expected goals) or illustrative (“shots faced”) and therefore only indicative and secondary

  80. Marko

    Then why bother changing managers at all?

    Cause Wenger was a cunt and he had us declining. Contrary to what his xG was we were declining

  81. gambon

    “Gambon quick question what happens if after another summer of purchases our xG and all that improves next season what then?”

    Erm, i dont really understand this.

  82. Receding Hairline

    Maybe i should start telling people what my expected income is against my actual income

    That should improve my credit rating

    Pity at the end of the day i still wouldn’t have enough to offset my debts

  83. Words on a Blog

    By using the terms “indicative” and “secondary” I don’t mean to dismiss those stats, but to put them into context.

    They are useful for coaches to indicate areas of performance strength and weakness. They are not necessarily foolproof in saying whether manager x is “shit” or “special sauce”

  84. gambon

    Receding

    So we lost to Palace, Southampton, Leicester, Wolves because we dont have good enough players….

    ….but beat UTD, Chelsea, Spurs, Valencia and Napoli because of our awesome manager.

    Thanks for clarifying

  85. Un na naai

    it Are you suggesting we only missed out a third place finish by three points?? Are you saying we scored more league goals than Chelsea and Spurs?? Are you saying we finished higher than Spurs and Chelsea in the top six mini league?? Are you saying all this happened with a manager in his first year of English football managing long term injuries in defense? Surely that can’t be right

    Hairline

    Wow!! You mock Wenger for constantly finishing in the top four then brag about emery finishing higher than Chelsea or spurs in the top 6 mini league??

    Hahahahahaha
    That is priceless.
    I’ll not forget that one in a hurry.

    Don’t worry about it lads
    We came 4/6 in the mini league. Job for life. What a go getter you must be.

    (With nazley voice)
    Hello darling, I just finished 44 out of 60 in the company employee of the month competition. I’m going to march into the office and demand a promotion tomorrow

    Hahahaha

  86. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    We’re the same side as last season, that’s my issue. Everyone (well…) knows there’s multiple nuances and factors at play that lead to fluctuations season on season.

    But the crux here is that there’s no performance data that indicates improvement.

    You offer up points total and claim that’s indicative, but it’s flawed. If we broke the season down into one game and analysed it in that way I’d be banging my head against the fact we had no control over possession, looked clueless in attack, embarrassing in defence, and without any impetus of personality. You’d turn around and go yea but we won the game 1-0, despite doing so from a Lacazette screamer and Leno being Spider-Man. Misses the point entirely.

  87. Words on a Blog

    Receding,

    Bought a lottery ticket today.

    My expected income is £25 million.

    The probability of my expectation coming to pass is just above zero.

  88. Paulinho

    One could argue new manager bounce is more pronounced when a manager takes over during a season, and the impact is lessened when a manager has a full pre-season.

    Did Klopp and Liverpool keep improving in the league or did they stall and hit a bit of wall, only to improve again to an appreciable level once Klopp shelled out £160 on VVD and Allison?

  89. gambon

    “Bought a lottery ticket today.

    My expected income is £25 million.”

    OK, so this shows words really doesnt understand this.

    Low IQ people dont get this kind of thing.

  90. Un na naai

    Marko

    And how is emery any better?
    No trophy. No champions league. No money. No pretty football. No exciting players. No style of play. Plenty of capitulation but not just to the Chelsea’s and Liverpool’s. No no. Emery’s arsenal folds to wolves, palace, Brighton and Leicester.

  91. azed

    Gambon

    You are the one ignoring reality.

    There’s no improvement that can be gotten out of Monreal and Koscienly because they are at the tail end of their careers. Before Holding’s injury, we all accepted that he had improved.

    You can take the data as a whole or you can look at the individual elements that make up the data.

  92. Micheal

    I simply cannot accept that Kroenke is blamless. Our decline in recent years coincided with his emergence as first the controlling shareholoder and then outright owner. He allowed Wenger to stay too long and signed off brillilant pieces of business such as Ozil’s 350k a week.
    He does not even bother to show up for a Cup Final which ranks as our most significant game in years. His absence speaks volumes because it tells us all about his poriorities.
    No amount of Pedro’s PR-marketing world-play can obscure the simple fact that leadership in any business – marketing and PR included – comes from the top down. If the owner does not give a fuck, why should anyone else ? Kroenke sets the tone at Arsenal and it stinks !
    Arsenal will never be a top club again while Kroenke owns us.

  93. OleGunner

    Interesting post.
    I would also like to see Pedro cast a critical eye on management and ownership (Which he seems to absolve of any wrong doing).

    Emery isn’t gonna sack himself, so if you want change maybe you should direct a fair bit of anger there as well as the manager? Just a thought.

  94. gambon

    “Did Klopp and Liverpool keep improving in the league or did they stall and hit a bit of wall,”

    Not at all

    Its been 144 games of improvement so far.

  95. OleGunner

    I will add I have no problem with sacking Emery this very Friday, if we had a damn good alternative lined up.

    At the same time I have no problem giving him another 10 months to see whether he sinks or swims on a 40m budget (I think this would be hard for anyone to deal with when approaching this broken squad)

  96. Biggles

    @Un na naai

    Wenger had dropped us out of top 4. We were clearly getting worse. There was no planning of any kind going on because Wenger was The Man. He had pretty much final say in everything, right down to how much somebody should be paid per week. He’d had ten years and couldn’t win us the league.

    If on the other hand Wenger had kept us in the top 4, he’d probably have had another year.

  97. gambon

    And by the way, no one has ever said buying better players isnt the key to improvement.

    However, Emery has already bought 5 players for £70m, and couldnt deliver any improvement.

    So lets say he spends £70m this summer….

    Whats 0 x 2?

    Lets say he spends £70m next summer, so that a total of £210m spent

    Whats 0 x 3?

  98. Un na naai

    Cc

    this season we have two strikers who’ve settled at the club and are performing better than anything we had last season

    We have £70m worth of defencive reinforcements added

    And a coach who tailors his team and performances to the opposition
    We should have massively outperformed last season.

  99. tayo

    You guys are jokers.
    When Emery started with a run of 16 games unbeaten, y’all were happy.
    Pedro was giving praises of electric passing then the team started to do the Wenger style of last season, boring plays.
    Now klopp has spent so much money not to even win a trophy yet but improve the squad.
    We’re so impatient at this club.
    We know we have average players signed by arsene and it would take us at least 3 seasons to send a bunch of them packing. The exact time Klopp used to keep only milner out of the team he inherited.
    Let emery do 2 more seasons then you can judge him.
    Let him have his players and good money.
    I’ve never been a fan of him but to be fair to him, give him time and money.
    Our players have the Wenger mentality that Cech talked about last time on his interview …”if we lose, we win ; if we win, we win” mentality.
    Exactly what you saw in the final. No character.
    Emery has his faults. Rotating captains per game. But it should be better next season.
    Time and money is needed

  100. Receding Hairline

    I reiterate the outgoings matter as much as the incoming’s this season

    Kos and Monreal should not be first choice anything next season, left to me they wouldn’t still be at the club

    AMN either plays in midfield or not at all

    Kolasinac should be sold, he is at the two year left mark, an extension makes no sense

    We need a new central midfielder

    We need at least one new winger

    Ozil and Mkhi have to leave or at least one of them has to

    You can make whoever you like manager

  101. Un na naai

    Dont worry everyone. We were holding arsenal up to the wrong standard
    Receding has it down.
    It’s the top six mini league that determines the success of our season. Not top four.

  102. Paulinho

    Gambon – They finished with 76 points in Klopp’s first full season, and finished with a point less at 75 in his second full season.

    Seems like that initial surge of improvement and heavy metal football was hitting the buffers in the league and they were in danger of plateauing if not for major, major investment.

  103. Receding Hairline

    “It’s the top six mini league that determines the success of our season. Not top four.”

    At least it’s a much more tangible metric than expected goals

    How do you measure your success in life Un na nai..your expected achievements or actual achievements??

    By the way i never mocked Wenger for top four, i said he was past his best because he spent money badly and assembled a disjointed squad, nor would i say that is mockery just facts

  104. Un na naai

    Tayo

    erm Milner, Henderson, Moreno, Clyne, Sturridge, Lallana, Firminho, Origi all from original squad.

  105. Paulinho

    Point is next season could be another drab season, and then when we finally remove the toxic elements of the squad and bring in another set of players, we could really push on in the 2020/21 season and improve exponentially once the pieces are in place.

  106. Un na naai

    How do you measure your success in life Un na nai..your expected achievements or actual achievements??

    RH

    By how many condoms are in my waste bin at the end of the week

  107. Words on a Blog

    You cannot simply use either expected or actual stats as a hard and fast indicator of a manager’s ability.

    In 2013/14, Brendan Rodgers’ Liverpool scored 101 goals.
    The following year they scored 52.

    Did Rodgers suddenly morph from a God-like offensive coach to a troglodyte Pulis?

    No, Suarez left to Barcelona, and was replaced by Ricky La,Bert (ha), Balotelli (ha ha) and Origi

  108. Zoran

    Against the trend on todays postings, I am very satisfied with Emery’s work.
    Inheriting the team from Wenger, getting new signings , probably that he never wanted, except maybe Torreira and Guendouzi, on extreme low budget compared to Wenger’s , we finished one place better than Wenger the previous year. And with 1 point difference to the 4th place, where we where miles away last year.
    And we where runners up in European League.
    And we filled Emirates to the last place in almost every home game. Don’t have to remember you how it looked like in Wenger’S last years.
    Just to remind, Klopp was on much higher budget when he came to Pool, finished 8th his first year, Pochetino finished 6th in his first year in charge, and Guardiola didn’t even made better than runner up in his first year. And all of those guys with funds that poor Emery can only dream about.
    And, now Emery is scram and Klopp is super hero.
    Instead of giving the chance to Emery for 3 or 4 windows, already some are calling for his head. Instead of complainng about the yankee cunt, who has a snake in his pocket, some think that we should qualify for Champions League. With 40 milions transfer budget??

  109. Un na naai

    RH

    To answer your question seriously though, I am measuring the performance of emery shading the performance of our rivals and against that of our last manager. We should have seen a significant improvement with the new additions this summer.
    We haven’t
    We both know you’re fully aware of this. Why dont you just admit it?

  110. Micheal

    One simple priority for me is a defensive coach. We badly need someone who can organise, motivate and discipline the defensive areas of the team.
    It starts with a strong, disciplined defensive midfielder and includes two mobile, strong CBs. Others can do it – why not us ?

  111. Un na naai

    Woab

    Yes but emery has a better squad than wenger had last season. He has a fully settled pair of strikers and 5 new defensive recruits
    Add to that his coaching and tactical prowess and surely we’d see a marked improvement right? We had champions league football there on a plate 6-7 times in the last 6 weeks and he let it slip through his grasp every single wknd

    We’d have been better off losing to Napoli. At least then he’d have had no choice but to throw it all it the mid table sides we were facing

  112. Eric Welch

    Whoever made that graph should be punched …that is worse than a 3rd graders finger painting (yeah I’m from the US, we don’t teach our children :p) …no legend, horrible axis and you used the dumb black background for the graph from MS excel …i can’t even enjoy this post because it is so horrible …you can’t make a point with a graph that doesn’t tell you anything …what is blue, what is orange?? why is there a trendline when they both obviously follow those trends (sorry for the rant, but as a scientist that just gutted me :/)

  113. Nelson

    Pedro
    ” it being obvious that the culture of the club hasn’t been shifted in an entire year,”

    That really hit my nerve when I read that. Who was responsible to poison the club with this socialist culture. The players are too comfortable. They are paid a salary way exceeding their capability. Take Jenkinson for example. He was offered to other clubs but he refused to leave. That fucking Mustafi also told “Kicker” that he is an Arsenal player and has no intention to leave. Stan let Ivan and Wenger created this whole mess. No manager can clean that up unless he was provided MC type of funding. Instead, Emery was told that the club has no money for players in January after we just lost Bellerin for the season. Criticizing Emery on the culture problem is really not fair.

    Most our problematic players have two years left. Take Ozil for example. After next year, his remaining salary will be 18 m. I expect that there will be teams in Turkey picking him up by then. I trust Raul will implement a modern salary structure. And the culture of the team can then be shifted.

  114. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    After giving Stan a free pass – yet again- you write this:

    ‘The real perspective is we’re not built for success. We have a fancy structure, but as I keep on saying, if you do not fill that with the very best people, you are in trouble.’

    .. Which is correct but a contradiction.
    It’s Stan’s responsibility to fill those positions.
    The buck always stops with him in the end.

    Also, of course it matters he didn’t pitch up. It’s a cup final for fucks sake.

  115. Biggles

    @gambon

    “However, Emery has already bought 5 players for £70m, and couldnt deliver any improvement.”

    A place higher in the league. 7 points better off. 11 points closer to Champion’s League qualification. A step further in European competition.

    These are all measurable improvements. Might not fit with the idea that performance metrics haven’t substantially improved, but the KPIs have.

    Anybody know what Arsenal’s xG was back in 1989? Oh wait, no, nobody cares because all that matters is that we won the league.

  116. Receding Hairline

    “We should have seen a significant improvement with the new additions this summer.
    We haven’t
    We both know you’re fully aware of this. Why dont you just admit it?”

    Why should we see a significant improvement in a year??

    Significant you say

    You keep harping on about 5 players.

    Lichteiner should not be counted, he added nothing at all to our season

    Torriera tailed off by January

    Guendouzi did not add in defense nor did he add in attack, he only showed promise, promise does not improve a team significantly

    Leno was immense as certain stages of the season but let’s not pretend some of you were not already calling him a failed transfer before December

    Then we had the usual suspects doing the usual things they do to cost us points and the usual suspect going missing when needed the most, our highest earner at that

    Add the decline of Kos and Monreal, the unavailability of Bellerin (reason why we play the diabolical three at the back) and Holding

    I really wonder at where this expectation of significant improvement comes from

  117. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    I do genuinely wonder what you expect of a manager/head coach at a football club. Seems almost all accountability is washed away with some player-led excuse, be it integration of new ones, withering ones, injured ones.

    Does a man on 6-mil a year not have to contribute a bit more than ‘off you go fellas and win’?

    Really curious. It’s like nobody can critique Emery’s ability until he has a fully loaded squad, no major injuries, everyone is off the OJ.. etc

  118. Receding Hairline

    Carles i have never stopped you from critiquing anyone’s ability

    I must not share the same views with you must i?

    You think the problem at Arsenal is Emery and his” limited abilities”….

    I think the problem is a culture of mediocrity, players with attributes not suited to the league, players with limited abilities ..in summary players with which a distinct style of play is impossible ..you argue otherwise

    Emery knows what his responsibilities are …you do not amass 70 points in your first season in the premier league with all the challenges on ground by being an idiot.

    That you fail to acknowledge these challenges (yet you go on and on about players you will like sold and brought in when you are not Emery bashing which is ironic) is your problem not mine

    Stop trying to tell me what to think.

  119. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Pedro

    Just seen Ur ozil tweet
    Calling dick a fucking pussy…

    Insurbordanation surely a sackable offence

  120. Biggles

    It’s nothing to do with lack of accountability. Every one of us is hacked off that we didn’t make top 4 since we threw it a way in the final few games.

    But it’s just that we look at the team and think “how the hell would anybody, even Arteta, manage to make Xhaka NOT gift goals?”.

  121. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    I’m not thing you what to think, but good of you to tell me what I think is wrong with the club…

    I’m questioning why you offer up a myriad of reasons for our lack of performance but can’t offer up anything but a defence of Emery. I find that strange.

    I even asked a basic question of what you expect from a manager/head coach. So I’m not telling you a thing if you’d care to read.

  122. Receding Hairline

    Frank de Boer is what happens when you try to implement a style of play without having the tools for it …that man failed to adapt to the realities on ground at Palace. He came in determined to play a certain type of football and we all know how that ended…11 defeats or thereabouts in 12 matches

    That you think we should have a distinct style of play with all the limitations littering the squad is what i myself genuinely wonder at

    What style of play do you think we are suited to with the current personnel??

    Possession based ? Players that shot their pants at the first press or midfielders and fullbacks that misplace basic passes

    Counter attack? Well you will need the opposition to come onto you first, that’s our job in 70% of the games we play.

    Anyways like i said Charles, stop trying to convince me your views are right and mine is wrong….that’s never gonna happen in a million years.

    When the time for a managerial change becomes our most pressing need it will be obvious to all just like it was when Wenger was shown the door

  123. Champagne Charlie

    “But it’s just that we look at the team and think “how the hell would anybody, even Arteta, manage to make Xhaka NOT gift goals?”

    Did you think that last season under Wenger?

    I don’t remember you leading the charge for a squad overhaul to help poor Arsene then. But this season it was the squad and not the manager it seems. What a difference a year makes

  124. Champagne Charlie

    “Anyways like i said Charles, stop trying to convince me your views are right and mine is wrong….that’s never gonna happen in a million years.“

    So that’s you confirming you don’t come here to debate a thing, here to dish up your take and snipe at others it is.

  125. Receding Hairline

    You ask what i think is the work of a head coach Charles??

    Well getting the best you can out of a group of players, realizing those you can work with and those you cannot and replacing the latter effectively. Generally doing your best to the best of your abilities

    That you are all rewriting Klopps first two seasons and declaring them unprecedented success is your problem not mine…….

    I have no issues with Emery, he tinkers with the squad because we have to, it’s littered with weaknesses from top to bottom

    Now where i will have an issue with him is if said weaknesses are not moved on and effectively replaced ….

    You think the job of a head coach is to turn water into wine and chase xG stats…

  126. Goldinho

    Pedro,I think your letting that cunt kroenke off very lightly.since he has taken over we have seen a steady decline in the clubs ambitions,staff hiring ,style of football and league position.
    I do t think emery is a good enough manager by a long shot. But look at all of kroenkes hirings,all yes men who are in it to keep the boat from rocking.
    My fear is that kroenke looks for such a minimal return from his businesses that we could drop to 10th and that wouldn’t affect him.
    Emery was hired cause he’s relatively cheap and doesn’t have a pair of bollox on him.
    I would rather see Viera be given a chance.
    I know he hasn’t set the French league on fire,but with him as manager I don’t think we will have to put up with this couldn’t care less attitude.
    But that won’t happen with kroenke in charge,cause viera is very much likely to rock the boat.
    And as much as I like Klopp as a manager,he took Liverpool from 10th to 8th,a bit different from trying to go from 5th to 4 th.
    But let’s not talk about fitting the data to your own views eh .