Ryan Fraser talk hots up – Wenger moves into tech

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Well, whaaadya know… Danny Welbeck is rumoured to be joining Everton this summer.

Good for him. That looks like a good move. The England forward has been a solid servant for Arsenal, but he never really managed to unlock the next level in his game. Namely, he wasn’t that great at scoring goals, 32 in 120 odd appearances. A useful squad player, but really, in the end, he was just an expensive battering ram that picked up far too many injuries.

… but, we’ll always have Old Trafford Danny, what a moment to find your scoring boots. Also, he was part of that nearly moment when he scored that perfect header against Leicester at home when we thought we might win the league in 15/16. I loved that.

He might yet have a part to play in Baku. He’s travelled with the squad, he apparently scored 3 goals in the warm-up game, he’ll probably make the bench.

There are super hot rumours that we’re in for the MIGHTY Ryan Fraser. Some of the numbers being danced around are mental. £30m is what Bournemouth are looking for. The guy has one year on his deal, so that would be insanity. He’s a handy player and dropped numbers that are just as interesting as Zaha this season… however, I do worry about the one season wonder part of it. 15 assists and 8 goals is a decent return for a season, but the numbers before were flaccid at best, we’ve seen plenty of players over the years that do this, move up and tank (Danny Drinkwater). If we can land him as squad filler and not have to pay him SCOTTISH premium, then fine… but I personally think we’d be getting better value from someone like Hakim Zayich. Ryan Fraser feels a little Europa League in ambition, and we’re really don’t need to be there. Also, he’s 5ft4.

I really hope that Unai Emery doesn’t have a reaction to the laziness of Ozil this summer and solve it with a bunch of players that’ll bump up our running stats but struggle to deliver the extra magic we’ve desperately lacked. We can hire in sublime talent with power and pace. We shouldn’t lower our standards… which is why I guess I’d be more excited about Zaha. Firstly, he looks really cool… great branding opps. Secondly, he’s Danny W levels of battering ram, but he’s also very skilful. I’d not want to drop £70m on him, but £45m would reflect decent value in this market.

Arsene Wenger is BACK in the news again. This time, he’s admitting that the BIG job he promised us he all had left in him was likely not going to happen in the dugout…

“I came to a conclusion I want to share what I learned in my life,”

“Because I think life is only useful if at some stage you share what you know. In what way will it be? Will it be just winning football games, or will it be in another way? That’s what I have to decide. That decision will come very quickly.”

I mean, come on people, did you really think he was going to land a job at Madrid? Of course you didn’t. If a blogger can spot declining talents, you can bet your bottom dollar the recruiters at the major clubs can.

Anyway, Wenger, a man who does not believe in the science of the game… is a huge believer in tech. When you’re a millionaire, what better way to pass away your free time than investing in a fancy Israeli tech entrepreneur? Wenger had this to say on Playmaker, a chip that analyses performance FROM THE BOOT.

“I believe it’s the best available solution at the moment to measure performances,”

“I invested in this company. I’m not sponsored, I put my money in it. It’s not so much because I think it will make a huge amount of money, it’s more because I think that it’s something interesting that can help sport and football.”

What I LOVE about this comment is Wenger was very poor with data at Arsenal, now he’s fueling the beast! This is the video from Wenger’s new thing.

It looks like a cheap way of getting basic in-game data from chips in the boot. The stats details lined up here read very basic. So to get something like the above working, you’d have to have the ball chipped and every player on both teams hooked up. So it kind of looks like the best use case for it would be training? Do clubs not already do this? Is Wenger investing in something that already exists? Like the time I gave a months wages to internet sensation CheekBook.com? We’ll see…

I’m still out here trying to get funding for the LapCap. It’s a cap, for your laptop. My genius is still an untapped reservoir of liquid gold, contact deets for investment at the top of the website.

What I love about the big PR spin here, is a little later in the article, Wenger’s true colours come out…

“Today science has taken over. Science wants to predict the next performance when you have to rest players. And I believe sometimes if the managers are not strong enough, the science has too much power inside clubs. Because they have certainties,” he says.

“Above that, you still have the knowledge and experience of the manager. The modern manager must collect interesting data and, after, make decisions with his knowledge. And he has to be strong enough to do what he thinks is right. The knowledge is still important.

“The manager has to make the right decision. Because if you take only the physical data, you never play Messi. But if we are managers tomorrow we all play Messi. That’s where the knowledge comes in.”

Nooooooo! Guy Aharon must have been fuming!

The above commentary is exactly why Wenger can’t work his way back into the dugout. Ralph Rangnick, a 60-year-old, literally said the other day he never thought there’d be a day where he was told what to do by the athletics coaches, Wenger is still living on gut intuition. Which is why he failed to adapt on the back 9 of his career. He’d play his boys through the red zone, he’d not listen to the experts, and he’d take grave offence to anything that looked like a power grab within the club.

A modern manager is a CEO, not a dictator. You will always need that person to make decisions, but if you constantly override good information, with gut feel, you’ll never evolve. That goes for a lot of things in the game now. A manager should want to empower staff to make the right choices. If you take decisions that run against your top people, they either leave, or they stop innovating… you move into communist society mindset where people just tip their hat to the dear leader who will make everything A-ok. People get lazy, nothing moves, then when things go wrong, no one has the energy to pull you out of the hole.

Anyway, good to see Wenger back on the scene. Also amusing to read all the weirdos out there talking about him like he’s their surrogate father. Grow up… Emery is your father now, he’s making the rules, you’re going to follow them or land an arse tanning from his leather slipper.

I didn’t touch on the rumours that Freddie Ljungberg is being touted as the assistant to Emery next season, with Steve Bould being moved on. I don’t really care either way here, I love both players and Bouldy doesn’t look like he’s enjoying himself. However, it’s a bit sloppy for a story like that to leak. Shouldn’t Emery be able to keep that under wraps?

Time to start getting excited as we build towards the Europa Final. The bookies has Chelsea down as the favourites. I have it close to 50/50… maybe 47/53 their way. Mainly because they have league winners in their side, and Eden Hazard is a one-man wrecking machine if he shows up. On the other hand, Unai is the Europa King, Sarri is unsettled and the Chelsea manager has NEVER won a trophy.

A massive coin toss…

Right, see you in the comments.

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  1. Marko

    From what I can tell Arsene’s great idea seems to be instead of using those vests with the chip in they put the chip in your boots instead. It’s genius really

  2. englandsbest

    I am trying to find a reason why Emery/Sanllehi allowed a player of Danny’s quality to run down his contract.

    Maybe he wanted to leave Arsenal. But I don’t believe that, unless it meant a hefty wage-cut to stay.

    Either way it’s about the ridiculous Arsenal wage bill.

    Danny is a very talented player who has not yet fulfilled his potential. He may turn out to be the footballer bargain of the year. Certainly the England manager appreciates him.

    Miss you, Danny.

  3. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    If we recruit Fraser he will be COMPETING with Nelson for a first team place for the Right Wing Position. I don’t think that he is likely to be a massive upgrade and frankly I would not be spending £30 million for such a player.

    What should be Arsenal’s priority is to source and line up a new top level Centre Back once our season is over. The player we seem to be focussing on is
    Umtiti. The major concern there is of course the number of games that he was
    out through injury this season. However, he does have pedigree as a regular
    member of the French World Cup winning team.

    Arsenal seem to be focussing on the rebuild of our central defence. I do hope that Arsenal do not extend the contract of Koscielny. Yes he has been a decent
    servant of the club, but he is at the end of his career and we need to start offloading some of the 32+ players in our squad. By all means keep him one
    more season, but not longer than that.

  4. Pedro

    Marko, keeping hiring/firing decisions secret an impossibility… you do go to some lengths to defend anything Emery shaped.

  5. Marc

    englandsbest

    I agree with you about Welbeck very useful squad player to have about. What I don’t understand is the constantly finger pointing at the current management setup for the contract situations with Ramsey / Welbeck. Both of these players should have been tied down to extensions 2 years ago or sold before either of them were at the club.

    It was a shit show that they inherited, now if we find ourselves repeating history with other players in the future I’ll be the first to ask what the fuck is going on – again.

  6. Marc

    Pedro

    Of course it’s always difficult to stop gossip I do however think when you’re talking about an internal promotion it should be easier.

  7. Bob N16

    Pedro beat me to it. Not sure what coat of arms Emery would have but Marko would be very happy to be his champion and dress up for him.

    ‘Sir Marko my faithful hound – come hither and let me tickle your tummy. What a good boy you are!’ ( Spoken with a strong Spanish accent)

  8. Guns of Hackney

    Nice.

    Welbeck under any circumstance was atrocious. Sure, nice guy etc etc…unlucky blah blah but it comes down to the bare bones that he was dreadful for what we paid him a lot to do.

    Fraser. Just no. Scottish? Jesus. Only Champagne Charlie, George Graham and McLintock are allowed to be Scottish at Arsenal. Also 5’4? We want footballers, not tiny lads that are good at ratting or climbing into small cupboards.

  9. Bob N16

    Welbeck , useful squad player when fit. Another who should have been sold with two years to go of his contract. Didn’t give value for money. Seems like a good guy, priceless!

  10. Jamie

    Danny Welbeck will be 29 years old before Christmas. Talk of ‘potential’ is laughable. He’s a 7 goal-a-season forward. Wank.

  11. Joe

    Wellbeck

    A waste of 16m. Think we passed on higuain for less than the 16m we paid for Wellbeck.

    Laughable. Rather have kept GIROUD than keep Wellbeck.

    A striker who can’t score. Sick of us buying Man U rejects. Hopefully mkhit is the next one to go this summer

  12. Elmo

    New kid on the block in Brazil is 17 year old Joao Pedro of Fluminense, who scored a hat-trick in the Copa Sudamericana (South America’s Ropey League) this week, and has 5 goals in 110 minutes of first team football.

    The big clubs are now sniffing, but who had already signed him before he had made a first team appearance? Watford. They really are doing something right with their scouting there. There’s a good chance this kid will fail to develop, but for the tiny price they paid, there’s the upside he could become a Richarlison or Gabriel Jesus.

    If Edu is coming, we need him to get us involved in these small risk, massive upside punts from Brazil.

  13. Craigy

    Don’t know about the rest of you but I’m very excited about the prospect of Ryan Fraser coming to us, the guy is a very talented footballer, he’s quick, skillfull, good dribbler, short yes but his low center of gravity causes a lot of problems for defenders, he reminds me of arshavin, Fraser is good in front of goal, is right footed but is just as comfortable on his left, got an eye for a pass, and crosses the ball with both feet better than our entire squad, he’s been playing for a smaller team and his stats are up their and better thse of the best in the league, he also created more clear cut chances than anyone, people are underestimating this guy because he’s coming from bourmouth and doesn’t have a 60-70m price tag, I hope we get him

  14. Marko

    Marko, keeping hiring/firing decisions secret an impossibility

    It’s pretty hard given the scrutiny and media spotlight that exists on football in general. I love how I point out a petty dig and it turns into I’m defending Emery. Leaks/speculation happen in football it’s completely rampant to the point where you hear of potential signings/potential firings/transfer budgets/new contracts etc etc before they even get confirmed. And yet in your mind Emery should be able to keep it under wraps? Well he’d be one of the first to do it in football. Here Sarri should be doing better to keep the Hazard speculation under wraps too. Pep should have kept that UEFA investigation under wraps too.

  15. Marko

    Plus you gotta factor in it could be speculation right now and you’re suggesting that Emery could do something about that. No one could

  16. Marc

    So I’ve got the playoff match on in the background, no interest in either team etc. They then announce that Mike Dean is a huge Tranmere fan – guess who I’m supporting now?

  17. Marko

    Bob you’d be taken seriously if it wasn’t for the fact that you get obviously upset whenever you see people criticise Wenger around here.

  18. Marc

    Marko

    The amount of times you get people losing their shit on here over players we’re linked to is crazy. Have an opinion on it, hope it happens, hope it doesn’t but to start passing judgement on the club over something that will probably never happen is a sure sign you are in desperate need of a chill pill.

  19. Joe

    Bob

    You’re right. Wenger should have sold him 2 years ago.

    Another in a long list of wenger fuck ups that have hamstrung the club

  20. Marko

    This about Fraser? I personally wouldn’t mind him for 10-15 million as a squad player but not at someone else’s expense. Some people who are so against his signing should realize that he’s actually outperformed Ozil for assists the last couple seasons and is on par for chances created. Basically Pierre would love Ryan Fraser signed

  21. Joe

    Marc

    Yes. Sanchez. Ozil. All 4 contracts terribly managed. Cost Arsenal millions on millions and emery has to deal with the consequences

  22. Bob N16

    Marko, what are you on? What has Wenger got to do with it?

    I do agree that it appears that some people who were loyal to Wenger to a fault who now overcompensate and set impossible expectations on Emery. There are also some people who poured vitriol on Wenger like he was the antichrist who now also appear to have overcompensated and defend Emery as though he is without any blame or responsibility for last season- ring any bells Marko?

    Sorry I’m not one of the extremists. I wanted Wenger gone around 5 years before he did but that doesn’t stop me from reacting when a poster says that Wenger only had 3 good seasons. I find it hard not to respond to that sort of revisionist nonsense.

    Emery has not been awful but it’s hard to be inspired by him and see him as anything but a stop gap.

  23. Joe

    Could have had 70-80m for Sanchez in the summer but we got mkhit 😂😂. Because wenger had to try to save face about the absolute shambles he created and still fucked it up beyond belief

  24. Bob N16

    Joe, Gazidis was complicit with the running down for the contracts. As Chief Executive he had to be in agreement with Wenger’s views on players and contracts. For that matter Kroenke as owner should have been more involved.

    Far too simplistic to blame Wenger for everything.

  25. Joe

    Bob

    He did only have 3 good seasons out of 22.

    He also went 3 years without a trophy after the first double. 99 – 01. In a 2 team league. Man U and us.

    His last dozen or more years were garbage. A laughing stock. We would have won 3 leagues at least with another manager in that period.

    He absolutely ballsed it up with the breaking up of the invincibles.

  26. Joe

    Bob

    As has been said a million times and by wenger himself, he had full control.

    If you want to change what has been said by many including wenger show us proof please

  27. Joe

    Wenger thought he was greater than the sum of the players he had.

    Ha boy was he shown to be fucking wrong

    The players made wenger.

  28. Bob N16

    Your view Joe but when we were having to fund a new stadium and barely spent any money net for around 5 years we were stayed in the top four and were respected for playing a great brand of football.

    Not sure if you’re being objective Joe.

  29. Marko

    Wenger like he was the antichrist who now also appear to have overcompensated and defend Emery as though he is without any blame or responsibility for last season- ring any bells Marko?

    Exactly my point. At pains to defend Wenger and you take jabs at someone deflecting from Emery. For the record I’ve criticized him enough and I wasn’t even defending him up top I was merely commenting on the obsession with Emery to blame him for everything. I mean to blame him on leaks when the president and the government of the United States can’t do a fucking thing about them when billion dollar companies have shown in the past not to be able to stop them is a bit ridiculous. Frankly leaks come with the territory of being in the entertainment business and the public eye and any one individual can’t stop it

  30. Bob N16

    You can’t have it both ways Joe. Other than the players who he inherited(particularly the defenders had the upmost praise for Wenger for extending their top level careers), all powerful Wenger brought in all the players who you say deserve all the praise.

    Wenger deserves some credit for the acquisitions, no?

  31. Joe

    Bob

    I’d lay that more on DD than wenger.

    Also it helped quite a bit that wenger was French during their golden generation and being able to offer more money than other leagues were.

    Funny how it all dried up for wenger once GG left

    Wenger was left buying the sanago’s, Gervinho’s , kallstroms

  32. Bob N16

    ‘At pains to defend Wenger’ er, no! Just trying to be reasonable.
    Searching for the middle way Marko!

  33. Bob N16

    Joe, you’re anti Wenger filter is working tremendously well,.
    Any success can be attributed to someone else, any failure, down to him.
    It’s all so crystal clear!

  34. Joe

    Bob

    The proof is there. Wenger went downhill after DD left and he started selling off the invincibles.

    If he was so great the last 14 years should have been somewhat as successful as supposedly his first 9 were

  35. Pedro

    DD wasn’t the reason Wenger failed.

    Wenger didn’t innovate his thinking. DD wasn’t going to save that decline.

  36. CG

    PedRo

    “””Ryan Fraser feels a little Europa League in ambition”””

    A summer Saturday Sizzler by the Ralf Ragnick loving PedRo.

    And I off course – I thank him for it.

    In the week- when The Potatoes will probably win the CL – it’s very dispiriting that we are apparently being linked with this little tub of lard .

    If we sign Ryan Fraser- there is a good chance we will be go the same way as The House of Fraser. ( Broken and on its knees.)

    He is garbage.
    He is small and tubby.
    He looks like Torrieras Twin .
    He ain’t Zaha.

    We should be nowhere near him.

    ZAHA/PEA/LACA.

    Every game.
    75- 90 goals next season there alone.

    Keep it simple.
    It’s only football

  37. Words on a Blog

    I’m in two minds about Fraser.

    Other than his goals and his assists, his stats for Expected Assists, Key Passes/90 minutes, and key passes into final third would place him top or second amongst Arsenal players. But his dribbling (successful dribble/90 minutes) are pretty average. And he has next to no defensive contribution.

    Is he worth £30 million with a year left on his contract? Doubt it, but he may be worth a punt at around £20m

    Stats attached:

    https://arseblog.news/2019/05/ryan-fraser-by-the-numbers/

  38. Vintage Gun

    “I am trying to find a reason why Emery/Sanllehi allowed a player of Danny’s quality to run down his contract.”

    Arsenal accepted an offer for him last summer but he opted to run down the final year so we kept him for squad depth.

    Good lad but goal shy and injury prone. Factor in our up and coming young wide players im cool with him leaving.

  39. Gonsterous

    Watching the road to final video. It’s clear the team’s are all shite in the EL. Didn’t recognise any team we played till we faced rennes (not a strong outfit though ) and then Napoli and Valencia.

  40. Vintage Gun

    I personally like frazer and he’s a busy productive little player with good pace and crosses, Wonder if he can play left wing back?

    I’d have him to replace Welbs but with one year left on his contract i’d pay £15m Or £15m plus £5m in variable addons

  41. Pierre

    Ryan Fraser

    Forget about goals and assists ….

    I was just wondering if he tracked back or not 😇

    And yes Marko I know his stats this season put Ozil to shame…..

    then again, one could say that Fraser is reaping the benefit of having a manager who knows how to get the best out of him.

  42. Dissenter

    Pedro
    I have always wanted to ask you this question
    How do you stir yourself to write these posts?
    Do you sink into a jacuzzi with 12 virgins waiting on you or do you just get high.
    As usual, good post with your witty brand of banter.

  43. Receding Hairline

    Pedro the leak can come from anywhere, Bould could tell his wife who tells someone who tells someone, same applies to Freddie, same applies to literally everyone who works day to day at the club, saying Emery should be able to “stop leaks” is a bit nit picky

  44. Pierre

    The problem is, if Fraser signed for us , no doubt that Emery would have him marking Peter Crouch at set pieces as it appears to a more recent tactic of his in putting our smallest player against the opponents tallest and physically strongest player.

  45. Bob N16

    Joe, Wenger clearly went downhill. DD just cashed in his chips, financially sorted his next three generations or so out.

    As Pedro mentioned, he wasn’t able to innovate or to be willing to listen to fresher minds. He was given too much power and wasn’t replaced soon enough. Negligence both at board level and by the owners not to step in.

    Shouldn’t forget that there were some golden years, playing the best football in my lifetime(my memory goes back to 1972) I will always appreciate those memories.

    I’m not having a go at people who are 30 or under but their personal perspective only covers Wenger onwards. This goes from the best football we’ve had in 50 years to 6th in the league. I feel the personal disappointment of Wenger’s later years is more acute than for us older gits who can remember some properly turgid football!

  46. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Ryan Fraser would be an ok 10m squad player..

    I think had Danny chip not hit the post against city in his home debut he would have been a world champ…

    Sliding doors really

  47. Words on a Blog

    Receding,

    Other than the fact that he plays for a second order team – I’m interested in the basis for your view re Fraser that he’s second rate.

  48. Bob N16

    Joe he deserved praise, now he’s completely passed it. Your logic that he would get a top job now is if he’d been any good in the past, is clearly specious.

    His best years are obviously long gone which prospective employers are fully aware of, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t an outstanding manager in his day.

  49. Words on a Blog

    For what it’s worth, I think that with the decline of Ozil and the reduction in the amount of overall chances created we had last season, it does make sense to have a player like Fraser come into the team/squad

  50. Marko

    then again, one could say that Fraser is reaping the benefit of having a manager who knows how to get the best out of him.

    Nah he’s just not declining like Mesut. He’d be our new chances created king

  51. Words on a Blog

    Marko,

    Of course the moment Emery asks him to track back every so often, his offensive contribution will be destroyed….

  52. Joe

    then again, one could say that Fraser is reaping the benefit of having a manager who knows how to get the best out of him.

    Maybe the pl just isn’t the league to get the best out of ozil

    Pierre.

    We had a striker who won golden boot. Emery obviously knows how to get the best out of a player.

    But like xhaka, mustafi and Mkhitaryan, maybe ozil has found his level in the pl.

    And it’s not good enough

  53. Marko

    no doubt that Emery would have him marking Peter Crouch at set pieces

    It’s cute that you think that’s by design and not the opposition being clever. Shows your understanding of football

  54. Joe

    Pierre doesn’t want ozil to track back but then criticizes emery for the defensive shape of the team

    You couldn’t make it up

  55. Joe

    Ozil will go to turkey and light it up and Pierre will say “ see I told you, emery is shit.ozil just needed a proper manager to get his best out of him”

    😂😂😂😂

  56. Receding Hairline

    WOAB mainly his dribbling stats …leaves a lot to be desired. Chances created tends to go up if you are the set piece taker.

    If we want a player from the cherries I would prefer Brooks but then I don’t think he is better than Smith Rowe.

    In summary I don’t want anyone from Bournemouth.. Lol

  57. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Ok

    Nelson
    Amachei
    Wilcox
    Medley
    John jules
    Smith Rowe
    Nikethah

    There are loads of yo7ngsters who think they are ready…

    Fuck it

    Blood them .

    Why not
    One ma5 be worth 100m this time next season…

    Go the fuck for it.

  58. Pierre

    Bob
    To put it into perspective, fans look back at the Liam Brady era with affection as though it was a successful period in Arsenal’s history , but in fact we only managed to win one FA cup , losing 3 finals against the mighty West Ham ( 2nd division) ,Ipswich ( who totally outplayed us in the final) and Valencia(pens))…

    Whereas the new breed of fans regard winning 4 trophies( if we win Wednesday) in 5/ 6 years as failure . .

  59. Pierre

    Marko
    “It’s cute that you think that’s by design and not the opposition being clever. Shows your understanding of football”

    Let’s get this right …..are you saying that it is the 6ft 6in attacker who puts himself on Torreira.

    If that is the case then who don’t every team put their biggest player on Messi when they play Barca if it is that simple/clever.

    Or Danny rose / hazard/ David silva….

  60. Joe

    Actually Pierre. Emery winning the Europa in his first season is considered a huge success

    Nice try though

    3 FA Cups in 14 years is a failure

  61. Bob N16

    True Pierre but FA Cup was a much more prestigious trophy in those days. Always love an FA cup win though!
    Personally I look back on Brady as my boyhood hero. – the team was average! Would have been a success in any generation.

  62. Pierre

    In the old days the smallest players would take the posts at corners but now no one stands on the post so they don’t know what to do with em .

  63. Joe

    Especially for Arsenal’s supposed best manager of all time. 😂😂😂😂😂

    And let’s talk about bham, Blackburn, Forest, Bradford.

    Embarrassing for our most successful manager 😂😂😂😂

  64. Pierre

    Bob, yeah I had some great times travelling the country and Europe watching Brady ..one of the all time Arsenal greats imo….those epic semi finals v liverpool were relentless.

  65. Valentin

    Ryan Frazer stats are not very good.
    If you take away the goal scored from his corners and set pieces, his number of assists fromopen play is poor.
    Also most of his open-play assists are crosses headed in, when neither of our strikers are good in the air. Lacazette and Aubameyang are not Calum Wilson on that front. Remember the Brighton game where Iwobi were clearly under instructions to cross the ball and both the opposition CBs were having a field day.

    The other disadvantage that Frazer would bring is his lack of height. Arsenal is already a size on the small size. We should be adding players with more height and power.

  66. Joe

    The conversation I just had with my scouse supporting mate just settled it

    I want Tottenham to win it

    Liverpool fans really are the worst bunch

  67. Joe

    And it pains me so much to say that

    I couldn’t think of a worse final with two of my most hated clubs

  68. Marko

    are you saying that it is the 6ft 6in attacker who puts himself on Torreira.

    That’s exactly it dumbass. That’s why you see movement in the box the players are trying to gain an advantage. You don’t actually think the manager goes out of his way to put the smallest Arsenal player onto the biggest and best header from the opposition? Tell me you’re not that thick.

    If that is the case then who don’t every team put their biggest player on Messi when they play Barca if it is that simple/clever.

    I think you’ll find Messi doesn’t defend set pieces.

    I think you probably saw one maybe two instances of Torreira on a much bigger opponent on a set play and just decided to run with it. I believe our goals conceded from set plays was actually way down from normal this season

  69. Marko

    Steve Bould is wank by the way. All those years and not so much as an improvement in the defence. Questions of how much input he has is irrelevant. He’s either that bad at his job or a big pussy. Either way get rid

  70. Jamie

    Having to choose between Liverpool and Spurs winning is like being asked if you’d rather be pissed on or shat on. Fuck Liverpool, but Spurs winning the CL before us and we would literally never hear the end of it. It would be their ‘invincibles’ card, and they’d play it until the end of time. I’d rather Liverpool won it.

  71. Pierre

    Sorry Marko but I have to return to your comment about Torreira marking 6ft+ opponents at corners.

    ““It’s cute that you think that’s by design and not the opposition being clever. Shows your understanding of football”

    Do you want to enlarge on this because to me , it surely is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read on here.

    If Torreira had in fact been instructed to mark Scott Dann and Glenn Murray at corners against palace and Brighton as it obviously looked like, would you still be defending this dubious tactic.

  72. Joe

    Jamie

    If you just had this conversation I had with my mate, you’d want Tottenham to win 10 nil.

    Liverpool fans are the cuntiest of the bunch

  73. Joe

    Lets us big boys (tottenham and Liverpool) battle it out for the most prized trophy in world football. You know the one that Pep, Neymar, Messi all want

    But you dont really count the FA cup do you? Unless youre Wigan or small club

    Thats your level, 6th in thr league and a good cup run. Haha

    We didnt win, but at least we tried and had something to play for until the last day of the season. You’re season was finished before Xmas

    Ususally it works if you actually do something better. Not finish 6th and 30 points behind. Then its just pathetic. Sounds like a jealous small club

    Imagine finishing 37 points behind Liverpool. Haha

    That’s just some of it

  74. Valentin

    Yeah,

    This is obviously how man marking works on set pieces. The defending team has no say, and must let the attacking side decide who will mark them. The rule is that the tallest player must match with the smallest: 6’6″ striker with the smallest man on the pitch.

  75. Joe

    Only Pierre and Valentin are the ones who know we shouldn’t have our shortest guy mark their tallest.

    Blows me away that they aren’t managing Madrid or Barca with fat Sam as their assistant manager.

  76. Jamie

    Joe –

    No doubt plenty of Liverpool supporters are cunts, but still. Spurs winning would be too much for me. In any event, it’ll probably be the first CL final I’m not interested in watching in as long as I can remember.

  77. Pierre

    Marko
    “That’s exactly it dumbass. That’s why you see movement in the box the players are trying to gain an advantage. You don’t actually think the manager goes out of his way to put the smallest Arsenal player onto the biggest and best header from the opposition? Tell me you’re not that thick.”

    Can you explain as to why this has only occurred over the last few weeks of the season , when Emery changed from the successful zonal system (Steve Bould) to the present system ( not Steve bould)…

    Surely teams, if they are that clever and the tactic was so simple, would have been using the tactic of targeting Torreira all season ..

    Up until our change in system we did in fact have the best defensive record from corners./set pieces…why change it.

  78. Joe

    Jamie

    Ajax destroyed me when that goal
    Went it. Would have been
    Magical watching Ajax beat spuds then Liverpool.

    This final if anyone asked me at the beginning of any season, what would be your worst nightmare of. A final this would be it

  79. Marc

    My general position is that Scouser’s are vermin and should all be eradicated however I will be temporarily putting this to one side for a couple of hours next week and cheering Liverpool all of the way. Anyone not wanting Liverpool to win the CL (out of the current teams in the final) is not an Arsenal fan.

  80. Pierre

    So ,to clarify Marko .

    The opposition have a corner
    They put their tallest ,strongest player on Torreira .
    They cross the ball to where Torreira is standing .
    They score a goal or have a clear header at goal .

    Brilliant concept ..

    Why don’t we try the same thing g Chelsea next week .

    Put Sokratis on Kante of Hazard
    Cross the ball to where kante/hazard is standing
    Goal …how easy is that.

  81. Marko

    If Torreira had in fact been instructed to mark Scott Dann and Glenn Murray at corners against palace and Brighton as it obviously looked like, would you still be defending this dubious tactic.

    It’s clearly not a case of him (likely the smallest man on the pitch) being asked to mark one of the biggest and best headers of the ball from the opposition. That’s simply too stupid. That’s spin that you’re attributing to. Again I’m not sure what the issue is because we’ve been better at defending set pieces this season.

    when Emery changed from the successful zonal system (Steve Bould) to the present system ( not Steve bould)

    I doubt you could even prove this.

  82. Marko

    The opposition have a corner
    They put their tallest ,strongest player on Torreira

    That’s generally what happens or they try to yeah. That’s how they gain an advantage. Another one is putting an opposing player in or around the keeper to put him off/stop him from coming to claim a corner. It’s quite common. It’s actually one of the criticisms of the zonal marking that you have players covering a zone and not following the man. It can be tough sometimes with all that movement and bodies in the way. Thankfully we improved upon it this season slightly. But no if you’re suggesting that we purposefully put our smallest player on one of their biggest I’m going to have to say that’s stupid and unrealistic.

  83. CG

    Vintage Gun

    “”””I personally like frazer and he’s a busy productive little player with good pace “”””

    He is 5ft 4!
    (He makes Torreia look tall!)

    He may take a good set piece- but I seriously doubt he has pace. Zaha has good pace..

    To favour dross( Fraser)*over the likes of Nelson,ESR – once again show- The New Regime are are on one way mission – to turn Arsenal in a total laughing stock.

    We have The Ronnie Corbett doppelganger in Raul.

    We could have 2 more Ronnie Corbett-eque figures playing in our midfield next season.( Torreira and Fraser)

    Do these comedians in charge actually know we play in the fierce Premier League battleground?

    This ain’t subuteo!

    Nov 2019 – I predict carnage…

    Tick Tock.

  84. Elmo

    Marc
    “Anyone not wanting Liverpool to win the CL (out of the current teams in the final) is not an Arsenal fan.”

    There are ‘Arsenal fans’ here who are hoping for both an Arsenal loss and a Spurs win in the European finals this week! Who woulda thunk it?

  85. Valentin

    It’s actually one of the criticisms of the zonal marking that you have players covering a zone and not following the man.

    In a zonal system, players do not follow other players they stay in their zone and defend it. Anything ball coming into their zone and they are supposed to head or kick it away.

    Thankfully we improved upon it this season slightly.

    Except that we had the best record at corners and set pieces last season. This season we were on track to also be the best at that exercise until the collapse during the last few weeks. Crystal Palace, Wolves… For information defending at set pieces and attacking set pieces were the only bit of first team coaching that Wenger let Steve Bould fully in charge.

    The reason of the drop is that Arsenal switched from zonal system to man marking at corners. That happened at the same time of the rumours of a major fallout with Steve Bould who was subsequently sidelined. And now it has emerged that Steve Bould will be forced out and likely to be replaced by Freddie as first team coach.

  86. Chris

    Just returning to the goalkeeping debate for who starts on Wednesday, I am more than happy to see Cech start the game but wouldn’t be unhappy to see Leno instead.

    Leno obviously the better keeper at this stage but for a European final we really would have someone who has seen and won it all in that arena if Cech plays and he will want to finish his playing career by lifting that trophy despite it being against his soon to be employers.

    In other words, relax because it’s not going to be the biggest concern of the team selection!

  87. bennydevito

    CGMay 25, 2019    16:59:13

    PedRo

    “””Ryan Fraser feels a little Europa League in ambition”””

    A summer Saturday Sizzler by the Ralf Ragnick loving PedRo.

    And I off course – I thank him for it.

    In the week- when The Potatoes will probably win the CL – it’s very dispiriting that we are apparently being linked with this little tub of lard .

    If we sign Ryan Fraser- there is a good chance we will be go the same way as The House of Fraser. ( Broken and on its knees.)

    He is garbage.
    He is small and tubby.
    He looks like Torrieras Twin .
    He ain’t Zaha.

    We should be nowhere near him.

    ZAHA/PEA/LACA.

    Every game.
    75- 90 goals next season there alone.

    Keep it simple.
    It’s only football

    >>>>>>

    CG are you having a laugh??

    You were the first on here to suggest Fraser a while ago because he’s British.

    I was saying we should sign a few of Lascelles or Maguire, Chillwell, Brooks, Maddison and Zaha and you suggested Fraser instead of Brooks.

    I was one of the first if not the first to say we should sign Zaha and got widely laughed at, glad to see everyone else now catching up but he’s not worth £70m.

    It was around January when we were discussing good British players to sign and you were definitely the one to say Fraser, but now we might actually sign him but Pedro doesn’t rate him you’re niw changing your tune.

    Not at all surprising.

  88. Chris

    German pokal final is a hard watch with both teams in red and white. Thought Bayern had a blue navy kit?

  89. Marc

    Signing Zaha would clearly be a disaster. If we need any guide on who we should or shouldn’t sign there’s a simple new rule – do the opposite to whatever CG thinks.

  90. Marc

    Receding

    You’d think with De Gea desperate to get out and the managerial shambles that’s been going on recently ManU would be on a stay away list for any top players at the moment.

  91. bennydevito

    Charlie George with his flip flops on moon walking back down the track he just came from championing signing Fraser because he’s British and knows the Premier league.

    But Pedro comes out and disses him as a EL level player.

    Out comes the flip flop wearing moonwalk from CG.

    Fucking joke.

  92. Marc

    benny

    I particularly love his “hatred” of the Spanish contingent at Arsenal and then champion Arteta as who we should have in charge.

  93. Valentin

    Barcelona finances are shot.
    They have been taken to the cleaners by players (Messi, Neymar, …), Agents and unscrupulous staff members.

    They can’t afford the salary of most if the top players. Most of the top players who joined them had to take a pay cut in order to do so.
    They were interested in Lacazette, learned how much he was already on at Arsenal and immediately backed off.

    Until now they were using their prestige to still attract top young players, but the new European generation of players have agents like Mina Raiola. They tell their clients forget the club prestige, think in term of personal prestige and financial reward.

  94. Marc

    Marko

    No doubt he’s a good player I just can’t understand why any top player would look at ManU at the moment if Barca etc are showing interest. OGS will be struggling come Christmas, possibly out the door. Until they can show a couple of seasons of stability I’d be weary of joining them.

  95. bennydevito

    Marc,

    Yes. Hates the invading Spanish spivs building ivory towers but wants Arteta.

    Go figure.

    Pedro likes him though.

    Figured.

  96. Marko

    You don’t buy the hype? 19 already has over 100 appearences for Ajax has already captained the side and played in the Europa League final at 17. Also he’s an ever present in the dutch national team keeping De Vrij out of the team. He’s outstanding

  97. Marko

    Marc I don’t know why he’d go to United outside of the money. I’d be surprised if he ends up there honestly

  98. englandsbest

    Just to set the record straight, DD was a fan, I mean a REAL fan. And like us, what he wanted above all was to keep Arsenal at the top, and winning.

    As far as he was concerned there was never a need for austerity. His idea of a Rights Issue was rejected by his fellow shareholders. They threw him off the BoD. and from that day on, it was downhill all the way.

    Sure he sold his shares. So would any of us, under the circumstances.

    He played a guiding role in all the good things that happened at the beginning of Wenger’s reign. It was DD who moved swiftly and decisively, not Wenger the ditherer.

  99. Marc

    Marko

    It’s got to be the money but I still don’t get it. We’re not talking about a “normal” person looking at 2 jobs one at £30k and one at £40k. You get to a point of how much money do you need and it’s not as if he wouldn’t earn great money elsewhere. You’d like to hope at some point FIFA would bring in a code of ethics for agents but of course they’d first have to learn what ethics are.

  100. Pedro

    With Marko. De Ligt is a sensational player.

    Not to mention some of his towering international performances

  101. Pedro

    Benny, you flip flopped on CG. You rallied to have him banned, then complained you missed him when he went.

  102. Receding Hairline

    Just something about him doesn’t sit right with me Marko…

    I am more interested is seeing if anyone goes all out for Wan Bissaka…the kid is going to the top. Hope he doesn’t somehow join spurs

  103. Pedro

    EnglandsBest, he sold us down the river twice without doing due diligence.

    He also tried to move us to Wembley.

    He’s a great guy, but he was a yes man for Wenger if you read the Modern Superclub book.

  104. Marko

    It’s not even about stats with regards to him and De Jong I could throw stats at you all day but you only have to see them play to see they’re extraordinary players. They both play with such maturity already for someone so young.

  105. Marc

    englandsbest

    Wow have you some facts about Dein wrong there. Dein didn’t want us to build the Emirates – he thought we’d never be able to afford it and it would cripple us financially. He favoured going to Wembley. The reason he was sacked was because he was caught arranging a take over of the club by other share holders.

    No doubt we missed his input and we should have replaced him but you can’t paint him as some kind of hero screwed over by the club. It was Dein who introduced both Kroenke and Usmanov to the club.

  106. Joe

    England’s best

    Agree 100%

    DD was the architect.

    It’s not until wenger got control that we went went downhill. Fast.

  107. Marc

    Pedro

    “Benny, you flip flopped on CG. You rallied to have him banned, then complained you missed him when he went.”

    You’ve been in the US to long mate – you’ve forgotten what sarcasm is.

  108. Marko

    I really want us to sign Wan Bissaka. Perfect signing for us. An actual fullback who’s good at defending? Pretty please. To be fair there’s some seriously talented RB’s knocking about in France on the cheap

  109. Marc

    Pedro

    This used to be a football blog and you’ve turned it into a fucking dating site?

    If so why the fuck haven’t you sorted Ana de Armas out for me?

  110. englandsbest

    ivan was a PR man. all talk and no substance, as shallow as a kiddies play-pool. His title, Chief Executive Officer, was a hollow joke, he was hopelessly emasculated by Wenger.

    Most of his effort was spent staying away from the Club. You’d find him attending any international meeting or conference or symposium that had the vaguest connection with football, provided Wenger wasn’t there.

    He showed up at the Club twice a year, the AGM and the AST meeting. Only a totally inept guy would have okayed the contract situation, the nutty transfers. He and Wenger made a prize pair. Throw in Stan (Kroenke, not Laurel), and you have the Three Stooges.

  111. Marc

    Gazidis did negotiate one of the biggest kit deals in world football for us. He was by no means perfect but there were plenty of other issues at the club that he did not have control over.

  112. Negation

    Really weird how some fans can get stick for sticking up for the manager…then someone will come in with “how come you didn’t support Wenger like that?” Wenger, who was Arsenal for how many years VS Emery’s 1st year.

    I have no problems with Fraser or anyone else Emery wants to get. I hear Ziyech’s name everyday – great, maybe he’ll be good, but he’s been in the dutch league for a while and noone has picked him up, but now its “Ziyech! Ziyech!” like noone’s heard of Depay. Meanwhile, Iwobi is 23 and it’s apparently curtains for him – he cannot improve anymore. (Ziyech is 26).

    I’d be super happy if the whole “Arsenal way” BS gets ripped into. Arsenal way my foot. Arsene way more like. Barcelona team B way maybe.

  113. Bob N16

    Joe,
    ‘It was Wenger who wanted Kroenke over Usmanov.’ Do you know that for a fact or is that an educated guess?

  114. bennydevito

    Pedro,

    Fair enough. That tells me.

    I hardly complained though, just explained it was more like a weird Stockholm syndrome type thing but it was more in jest than anything.

    I was actually thinking more of the blog and the quiet comments section but hey ho.

  115. Receding Hairline

    I think Sarri will leave Chelsea for Juve

    That semi fraud Tancredi whatever is reporting it as a done deal.

    It has always been an uneasy relationship for him there and most of the fans haven’t taken to him or his football