Raul goes DEEP on organisational structure and strategy (Long Read)

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‘Is he better than Mustafi?’

Arsenal dropped the second part of the double CEO Interview and THANK the bloody LORD Dennis Bergkamp, it was FAR more interesting.

The baton was passed over to Raul and the Spaniard started to talk about some of the details we’ve been lacking as fans. It was probably the most interesting interview I’ve ever seen come from Arsenal.com.

The new structure sits on an axis that Raul describes as the skeleton.

At the top, sits the first team coach… emphasis on the word ‘coach.’

At the bottom, sits the Academy Head, which is Per Mertesacker. This part of the business is important for obvious reasons, but I still liked hearing Raul talk about its role… namely, it creates an identity within the club, and also reduces the cost of transfers. He noted that Ajax, Bayern and Barca have all had legendary youth ranks.

Then he talked about the technical director role and if you’ve been following Le Grove for any length of time, I think you’ll be pleased we were in the right ballpark. They’ll be setting the tone and vision for the club. If you work in or around advertising, it’s basically a brand manager. A person that’s in charge of ensuring we do things the Arsenal way on the pitch from a technical perspective.

Then to the left, you have the Head of Football Operations. The person who is in charge of making sure every detail works from a budget perspective. They work on the player deals, they ensure contracts are buttoned up, they make sure the guy booking bus tickets isn’t holding the team haka.

The meat around the skeleton is the important thing that we’ve again been talking about at length. Burgess and Shad are growing in importance as we push hard to build out our High-Performance engine. Making sure players are fit, on the right programmes and that our injuries are low. We have a growing Data and Analytics team. That’s working out how we measure players, how we analyse a multitude of data points and how we find people that can extract meaningful insights out the back end. Remember, tools show you the data, elite humans make sense of it. They also had the ladies team in there, which seems to be a core growth point for the Arsenal as we’re so damn successful there (GO LADIES GO!).

They also spoke about player identification as an iterative process, which is great to hear. We’ve chatted about how big clubs build a profile of what they need over the course of a season so they’re not caught in a window shopping frenzy like Wenger used to be. Vinai pointed out they were talking about summer deals in October, which is assuring to hear.

It’s also clear that Emery and Raul are in the driving seat this summer. So we’ll have to see how that plays out. Regardless of how good that plan is, he was adamant there was a plan.

Another thing I really, really loved… Raul and Vinai doubled down on Arsenal being a great place to be for players (and managers by proxy). He’s absolutely correct. All the misery guts that make out we’re some sort of pariah club have always been wrong, but it was good to hear it from the top. History, facilities, fanbase, exposure, stadium… as Raul said, we have a lot of ammunition.

The Aaron Ramsey chat was a bit of a pigs ear. They spoke about wage rationalisation as the leading reason. You can buy into that as ‘we couldn’t afford him’, or you can look at how it went down which is, ‘we decided he wasn’t worth it.’

We didn’t think he was worth it. We offered him a big deal, which from what I heard was lower than what he eventually took at Juve (I also heard the Juve money being bandied around is not a clear cut as it seems), but it was big, then the manager and Raul decided to yank the deal in late September, likely because he wasn’t living up to the PowerPoint hype Emery had envisaged.

You know this is the deal because we took the worst of all PR routes.

Firstly, if we’d wanted to keep Aaron, we’d not have dropped him in September when we pulled the deal. There’s literally no reason to bench a play in September if they’re good. Players need to play, they want to play, and it is extremely rare to make a statement out of a person that early in a season. Also, we didn’t do it with Ozil or Sanchez.

Secondly, if the problem is greed, that’s a PR nugget to run with. You leave it to the player to reject a huge deal and send Aaron to Italy looking like a mercenary. If the problem is the player waiting out their deal, you leave the contract with them and let the player infuriate the fans.

We did neither, we yanked the deal and made a big fuss of it being our decision. Which would have been fine had we not needed to go crawling back in January. The club underestimated how good he was, I think it’s that simple. Wenger did the same with BIG John Hartson, gone too soon man, gone too soon.

If wage rationalisation were an issue, we’d not have Mikhi on £170k a week, we’d do something aggressive about Ozil, we’d not have Lacazette and Auba getting £250k a week (the number Ramsey was being pitched), and we’d not be doubling the money of Matteo.

So here would be my key takeaway. I fucking LOVE an operational lecture, I really do. It’s fascinating to hear how the club is organising bodies around a vision of the future. These sorts of things should always be iterative and they should always change… but organisational charts alone won’t move the club forward.

We need to have the very best talent in the system and we need to have someone leading in a very strong way to make sure it all ticks along properly. One bad apple can infect the rest of the business like a cancer. Who is there making sure there is no cancer in the system?

We have a sports psychologist in the mix that’s overseen epic tanks for years now, if you’re talking elite performance, how is that guy justifying his salary?

If you’re talking about performance over the course of a season, and you’re looking at data, what does success for the manager look like? Sarri put it perfectly when he said that Chelsea should sack him now if his season is dependent on one trophy. What are we judging Emery by? Just top level, if metrics get worse as a season goes on, and you invested in areas to make them better but didn’t manage it, how do you justify those things? It’s just a question, don’t burst a blood vessel answering.

I love Big Per Mertesacker and he talks incredibly well about the game, but growing talent across such a wide range of age groups is REALLY tough. If he gets it wrong, he could consign a generation of players to the bin. Was it sensible to give someone the keys to the academy like that? Time will tell, but it was a huge gamble to go that route for the lifeblood and identity of the club moving forward.

How did all of this process land us on the decision to sign Denis Suarez in January? It’s a serious question. Of all the problems our squad clearly had, how did months of talking about weaknesses in the squad land us on a player that lacked character, physicality and purpose for our setup?

Anyone can map problems out.

Anyone can build a paper organisation.

Anyone can design a model for the future.

The difficult part is driving through that change and holding people accountable for moving things forward. It’s uncomfortable, it’s hard and it takes a huge expenditure of energy.

Who has the energy to make it happen? What are Vinai and Raul accountable for? What is the timeframe for success?

Part one was such a letdown because we didn’t offer up clarity on the vision. If your vision is murky, the execution will be the same.

We have a lot of theory, but very little to judge it by. Making the fans proud is meek.

I also wanted to hear something a bit more detailed about the football.

That could be us waiting for a technical director, or that could be the self-preservation kicking in. If you’re not told to be ambitious, why would you put your neck on the line?

You wouldn’t. Textbook Ivan Gazidis. Talk around the notion of accountability, whinge on that it’s really hard to compete, and people will likely not notice. Remember all the morons that jumped on Arsene Wenger’s comments about buying loaves of bread? Dortmund have done a massive chunk of excellent transfer business and we’re not out of May. They have a clear vision and they execute against it like clockwork. I’m not sure what ours is after an hour-long interview with the top two guys.

Part 2 was very solid, but if I were being very critical, I’d say… What’s really new here? What are doing that no other club is doing? Does this not feel a little like table stakes? Are we celebrating moving forward, or are we still blasting party poppers about catching up on the basics?

Right, that was a good chat… well played Raul and Vinai, but still some way to go if we’re truly planning to make moves over the next 5 years.

See you in the comments!

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Leedsgunner

Mkhitaryan has said, despite assurance of his safety by Azerbaijani authorities, he decided not to travel and bring any distraction or safety fears not only to himself, but his team mates. He’s thinking of the team. This, will he play or won’t he play is proving to be a huge distraction. I understand he wants to sign off his career with a trophy… and that he is a consummate professional. However, if this was the case, he should have kept Chelsea at arms length, especially as it appeared more and more likely we would be facing them in the final… Read more »

Un na naai

Bamford10May 24, 2019 10:05:39 Un Na“I’m not sure emery is in that league.”No one here thinks he’s in that league, so … what exactly is your point? Bamford are you a bit stupid?? Did you not read the previous exchange between myself and Pierre over wether this manager should be set loose on the transfer market? If you had you wouldn’t have started flapping your fanny. It was an A-B conversation. It had nothing to do with the thoughts of any other poster and the fact that you seem to think it did only serves to demonstrate your unrestrained narcissistic… Read more »

Redtruth

Leedsgunner May 24, 2019 00:46:53
“Hard to call next week.Will we defend as a team and cut out our individual mistakes? If so, there’s every chance we can win.”

We’re playing Chelsea not Brazil lol

Elmo

Danialtos

People are against Sarabia because the thought of Emery bringing in stooges from Sevilla makes them feel nauseous about the prospect of Arsenal slowly drifting towards becoming a Sevilla-style Europa specialist, regardless of the individual merits of the player.

Marko

Yes to Umtiti but not for ridiculous money. Yes to Konate especially

Redtruth

Umtiti is shitty lol

Left testicle
Marko

Still see Arsene is finding it hard to get a job. He always made it sound like he’d get one quick and that he was turning down offers left and right while Arsenal manager. Poor lad

BacaryisGod

I’ll put my head on the chopping block.

We need a left-side forward. How about Brahimi on a free transfer from Porto? Magical skills and I think would blend well with Auba and Laca.

Negatives: 29 years old, Possibly lightweight for Premier League
Positives: Creative excellence and no transfer fee. Scored 10 in 37 for Porto this season.

Words on a Blog

Valentin,

You make some important points, and your fears about Emery or indeed any head coach having a final say in transfers (in the absence of a technical director) are well founded.

Still, if we take Sanllehi’s comments at face value, Emery is only part of a committee process of decision making on transfers, and presumably the other decision makers include Sanllehi, Cagigao (as acting Chief Scout) and others. And as Sanllehi said, the process is also informed by data from the Analytics people at Arsenal.

Hopefully your fears are misplaced. And I guess we’ll find out in the summer.

Moray

Marko, I doubt Wenger’s short of a buck or two. One of his greatest weaknesses was the inability to learn or develop. It’s one big thing that set him aside from Fergie, but it’s also why most big teams would avoid him for a coaching role. I hope France gives him a shot; he would probably do quite well for them.

zimmie2652

Asking why Emery wasn’t successful in Russia is kinda like arguing about who the tallest midget is. Nobody actually cares about Russian futbol outside of Russia. Many coaches have done exactly what Emery is doing and learn the language on the job, it isn’t some new phenomenon. Hell, sauce drenched Poch hid behind a translator for a year and half at SoH before even uttering his first public English. I’m not going to sit here and make fun of or call for someone’s head for their efforts in learning a language and diabolically pick it apart. I’m so glad that… Read more »

gambon

“We need a left-side forward. How about Brahimi on a free transfer from Porto? ” No thanks. We have Auba (29), Lacazette (28), Mykhitaryan (30), Ozil (31), Iwobi (23) Think the next 2-3 attackers we buy should be 19-23. When you consider we also have Sokratis (30), Koscielny (33), Monreal (33) – we probably need all of our signings this summer to be younger. Not a huge fan of Brahimi either. Get young, upcoming wide players with potential. Ismaila Sarr, Sam Chukwueze, Mikel Oyarzabal, Nicolas Pepe if we can stretch the finances. If Bayern sign Sane, maybe try to get… Read more »

Moray

Bac, we need to think creatively, so why not? It works financially: so Long as we don’t go crazy with the salary, if he doesn’t work out we could get back the outlay on salary with a fee next summer and we will have squad spaces available. We can’t afford to be as laser focused as man city or Liverpool.

Samir

gambon

Doesn’t Sane play LW and Gnabry RW? Unlikely Bayern would ever let him leave.

That’s them sorting out both wings for many years. 2 top class German wingers.

Moray

The last thing we can afford to do is to bring in injury cases like Umtiti. We saw what damage losing Holding did to us this season and the Premiership is a much tougher ask than Spain.

gambon

Samir

OK, get Coman.

With what Bayern are spending this summer, there will be outgoings.

Theyre not Real Madrid, they tend to spend quite smartly.

That will be £175m spent so far.

Marko

Oyarzabal has been outstanding since breaking onto the scene

Marko

Be interesting to see what Bayern do. They’re usually a prudent enough team and right now they’re trying to sign Sane (who’ll cost big money) on top of already spending over 100 million on Pavard and Hernandez. Coman might be available. I wouldn’t touch him though his injury history isn’t great. Should use the opportunity to get Pepe. I’ll be honest I always had a feeling we’d end up with him

Samir

I think we should got hard for Rabiot. He’s a 50M CM. Heard a lot about him demanding a big signing on fee…Surely we can come to a deal?

Then get rid of Xhaka and bring in someone like Sarabia. He has an €18m release clause and directly contributed to 24 goals in 32 LaLiga appearances last season. No brainer?

Not keen on Fraser though. Would rather push hard for someone like Zaha/Pepe.

Globalgunner

How long did it take Poch to speak English. Still needed an interpreter when he first arrived at the Spuds. Kane barely speaks English too

Nelson

Just read that Shkodran Mustafi has confirmed he is an Arsenal player and has no intention of going anywhere this summer. Ozil also said that he likes Arsenal. That’s the problem of paying players with a high base salary.

Samir

gambon

I would take Coman on loan with an option to buy.

Samir

It really is a shame. So many quality players available this Summer and we have a stinking budget.

This team really needs 200M+ spending on it to compete again.

Pierre

Marko “Still see Arsene is finding it hard to get a job. He always made it sound like he’d get one quick and that he was turning down offers left and right while Arsenal manager. Poor lad” Is it possible that due to the fact he was paid the last year of his contract at Arsenal, he would have to forfeit his severance pay from Arsenal if he was to take up employment elsewhere. I’m sure no one else will pay him 12 million ( or whatever it is) he was earning at Arsenal so he could be waiting until… Read more »

Graham62

CG Your Jose poll had me both in stitches and shaking my head in disbelief and then you have the frigging audacity to question the intellect of other posters on here. 75% of the vote going to Jose over Emery shows that you have little or no concept of what being an Arsenal fan is all about. You are either 1. A complete nutter. 2. A Troll. 3. A Spuds fan or 4. just someone using an legends name as your personal moniker to hide behind your real identity. I can tell you now, most right minded Arsenal supporters( I… Read more »

Marko

Is it possible that due to the fact he was paid the last year of his contract at Arsenal, he would have to forfeit his severance pay from Arsenal if he was to take up employment elsewhere

That’s not how it works. They paid him to fuck off not to then not be able to seek employment anywhere.

Words on a Blog

Graham62,

As I’ve said to many, many posters on here: don’t take the CG bait.

CG is this blog’s Salvador Dali, here to provide amusing and surreal pearls of wisdom about that “looser” Emery and “wide-boy” Sanllehi, and to extol the virtues of has been like Wenger and Mourinho.

He is an urban legend.

As the Great Man says: “truth hurts!”

Marko

Arsene also wanted to open a university to rival Trump. Fair play lad

Words on a Blog

Marko,

He was gonna call it “The University of Mental Strength”

Marko

I think Arsene might have taken “Le Prof” too literally. It’s amazing that he’s coming out with this sort of stuff now considering that he’s so close to being diagnosed with something mentally one would expect. I think he might be worried about his legacy

Words on a Blog

Marko,

Don’t be so cruel about Arsene.

I think his university would be top, top quality.

azed

WOAB

“I think his university would be top, top quality.”

Are you sure the students and profs would be able to learn/teach with the handbrakes on?

Marko

How many goals would that college concede though

Jamie

” it really should be time to put your obsession to bed……quite sad and pathetic really.”

Pierre, does this also apply to your obsession with Ozil? If yes, it’s about time, but no need to be quite so hard on yourself.

Marko

Pierre’s got about 5 obsessions going on at the moment. Each one more pathetic than the last one

Joe

Wenger surely must be in line for the juve job? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I would love Patrick Vieria/Sol Campbell in charge and AW as Tech Director ideally.

You’ve got to be fucking kidding. You want the man who bought sanago, kallstrom, Gervinho instead of hazard , mustafi, xhaka, didn’t buy higuain because he cost 32m yet sold for 70m 2 years later to be out TD??

Hahahaha there in a nutshell is CG’s footballing intelligence. Or lack of.

Joe

Wenger wont return to dugout. No shit

He’s crap.

No one wants him as a manager. Maybe a team like Fulham. That’s about his level. Just.

Hilarious he is making it sound like it’s his choice ha

Alexanderhenry

Looks like the clear out is underway :

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal/everton-in-pole-position-to-sign-arsenal-striker-danny-welbeck-on-free-transfer-a4150601.html

I always liked Wellbeck but he was never fit for long enough.

Joe

Alex

Sorry but Wellbeck was a terrible signing. A waste of £16m. A Man U reject. 16m we should have used to purchase higuain.

Another on a long list of wenger garbage signings

Alexanderhenry

Joe

When he was fit he could be very effective.

It was a bad signing because he was injured most of the time.

Joe

Alex

He was a striker who couldn’t score.

Terrible signing.

Champagne Charlie

Alex

Wouldn’t exactly call that starting the clear out, Welbeck is 20 mil walking away for nothing.

Joe

And who let Wellbeck run his contact down into his last year and not sell him

Right. That would be wenger.

Wenger, the guy who some posters want as TD who oversaw the Ramsey, ozil, Sanchez debacles. And sold RVP to united and knew they would win the league once he did.

😂😂😂😂

Marko

Welbeck was hard working and a good professional but nothing more than a squad player who was constantly injured. Glad we didn’t offer him a new deal

Alexanderhenry

CC

Yes, but he’s on a £100 grand a week.

Getting the wage bill down is important.
It’ll mean some players that should have been sold previously– like Özil – will have to go for very little.

It’s necessary.

I don’t like it but I accept the fact that arsenal won’t spend big.

At the very least, we need a significant clear out though.
We’ve employed a lot of new faces behind the scenes and there’s been a lot of talk about arsenal’s desire to acquire young talent.
Let’s see what they come up with.

OleGunner

Christ, that Mustafi quote with him digging his heels in to 2021 is fuckin depressing.

CG

There might be a reason – Mr. Wenger has not got employment. He might be waiting for the right opportunity Or He just wants Arsenal. Wenger ( I predict) is gambling that when this ludicrous Raul experiment ends in total chaos ( Nov 2019.) …. he will be asked by Josh K to realign us and put in a place a proper footballing structure. Something like Him as DoF PV as manager Sol C as assistant manager Freddie L as Reserve Team Coach Jens Lehman as goalkeeping Coach Etc etc There is no way Raul and Vinai can appoint the… Read more »

Champagne Charlie

Alex

Lol yea that’s still not a clear out mate, he’s walking because of our negligence. His spot needs filling by someone, and they’re going to have wages.

The clear-out begins when start actually selling folk, and generating funds to reinvest in smarter ways.

….Idk if you’re familiar too, but Welbeck is a key player at Arsenal. He’s one reason why we didn’t make top 4 this season. No, really..

Champagne Charlie

CG

I love the humour, especially the odd touches like “tragic”, at the end of your post….to give a quick summary of what’s being read.

CG

“”””Wenger, the guy who some posters want as TD who oversaw the Ramsey, ozil, Sanchez debacles. And sold RVP “”

And who brought in that talent Josephine?

I personally- enjoyed watching all these fabulous players ..

Marko

There might be a reason – Mr. Wenger has not got employment.

Yeah the jig is up. He’s been found out and now no one wants him. His level is conning a living out of the idiots at Arsenal. No more thankfully. It’s weird all the jobs that come and go and Arsene and you know who continue to get passed over.

Joe

CG

Wenger is never coming back to arsenal. And thank fucking god.

Marko

His spot needs filling by someone

I’m not sure we’re going to be spending money on filling the 3rd choice ST/2nd string LF position. We can probably fill that from within.

CG

Joe

You are probably right
But I certainly would not discount it…….

As an Arsenal veteran.
Next season will not be pretty.

The Black Swan theory is in play……

Everything is up in the air….
Expect the unexpected…

Howard Kendall managed Everton 3 times
Steve Coppell managed Palace 4 times…

Joe

Brought in all that talent and then he went out and made us worse every year.

And that’s why he can’t find a job

Because he’s a shite manager.

All the players he brought in and most couldn’t wait to leave the loser because they knew they weren’t winning anything with wenger in charge

Champagne Charlie

Marko

Yea, that’s us exponentially better replacing Welbeck with Nketiah.

Joe

Lol yea that’s still not a clear out mate, he’s walking because of our negligence. His spot needs filling by someone, and they’re going to have wages. The clear-out begins when start actually selling folk, and generating funds to reinvest in smarter ways. ….Idk if you’re familiar too, but Welbeck is a key player at Arsenal. He’s one reason why we didn’t make top 4 this season. No, really..

Wellbeck a key players? Hahahah fuck me

vickingz

Why are we not looking at sam chukwueze? I strongly believe he’s way within our reach and not all these names being mentioned. We need players like him to light up epl with pace, dribbles and goals. By the way, expect auba to be the reason why we are gonna lose to Chelsea next week

vickingz

@joe, thank goodness for your successful operation, wish u speedy recovery

Marko

Yea, that’s us exponentially better replacing Welbeck with Nketiah

I thought you types want the likes of Nketiah and Saka and Reiss Nelson to get more opportunities? Maybe not. The most goals he’s gotten for us…10 over a whole season a mere 5 league goals. How will we replace that level of input.

Joe

CG

Next year will be great as an arsenal supporter.

Back into the CL after we beat Chelsea next week. Even if you want us to lose.

Another year away from wenger’s mess. Cleaning out more of his dross he signed.

Joe

The only thing Wellbeck was key in for Arsenal was wasting £16m we should have invested somewhere else.

He was key in our “ wasted goal scoring opportunity” stat as well.

Words on a Blog

Thinking aloud about transfer fees and transfer kitties. Feel free to skip if it’s too boring or technical. Transfer fees are amortised over the life of a player’s contract. If a player like Mustafi is bought on a five year contract for £35m, one-fifth of that amount (I.e. £7m) is charged every year in Arsenal’s profit and loss statement. So, after 3 years of being with us, at present, on our books, Mustafi is worth (£35m-£21m) or £14m If we sell him for more than £14m, we make a profit (gain on player trading in our profit and loss accounts).… Read more »

Champagne Charlie

Marko

That’s you in a nutshell, “you types”. Always on hand to prove and re-prove just how dense you are. Have at it, not interested entertaining your dribbly input.

Tobs

CG is making my eyes bleed. Wenger as TD (gotta be trolling), the man that mangled transfer window after transfer window. Left behind one of the most unbalanced teams in the history of football. He would wilfully ignore gaps for years, buy players beyond their prime, buy players and not know where their best position is, let players run down their contracts. The list goes on.

Monaco have changed coaches twice, same as Real, Marseille coach just resigned, inter is in the hunt for a coach, same as Juve, how many of these clubs called Wenger?

Marko

That’s usually how you types respond too. Tell us again how tough it’ll be to replace Welbeck again. Another essential player

Words on a Blog

Strictly speaking, when a player like Ramsey or Welbeck leaves on a free at the end of contract, there is no hit to the profit and loss account, as his cost will have been fully amortised. The players salary will, of course, also disappear as a cost from future profit and loss accounts. But of course there is an opportunity foregone to make gains on player trading. The best time to sell will, for Arsenal or any selling club, always be two years before the end of any contract because a good proportion of the players’ transfer fee will have… Read more »

Micheal

“CG is making my eyes bleed.”

Why does anyone bother to respond to his manic ravings – it’s not compulsory. Ignore him.

Marko

Charlie it might be a surprise for you but you are a “type” of poster around here. Outrageous I know

Champagne Charlie

No Marko, your stupidity doesn’t surprise me

Words on a Blog

Marko/CC,

It’s a shame that this is an Internet forum and not a pub.

If it were a pub I’d ask you two guys to take it outside.

Marko

Words I respond in kind with regards to him. He usually is quick to insult because he makes shit observations on football and talks nonsense. Still hasn’t explained how tough it’s going to be to replace Welbeck. I personally feel that if Nketiah or the likes aren’t capable of getting 5-10 goals then over say 25-35 appearences for us then they’re probably not worth a fuck.

Gonsterous

The same people who praise shite like giroud after he has left, are the same people thinking Wenger will save the day. Arsenal fans hate everyone in the club and wank over everyone else not associated with the club.

CG

Michael and Tobs

I am actually very consistent with my views.

In simply Wanting Elite people in charge of Arsenal ( in all areas)

If you think Emery /Raul and Vinai are in any way Elite…..

I think it’s you guys – that have the problem…

Words and The G have more acumen,nous and intelligence than these wallies.

Let’s see their summer work..
My guess it all blows up Nov 2019..

Tick Tock…( for CC)

Joe

Words

Charlie isn’t the type to take it outside. He’s more of the keyboard warrior type.

Tough guy behind the screen

Joe

Let’s see their summer work..
My guess it all blows up Nov 2019

And if it doesn’t.

Will you be the first to
Admit you were wrong?

For some reason I doubt it

Valentin

I understand that some hate Wenger did to the club, but for some it reaches pathological level. Most of those never supported Arsenal before him. Showing respect never hurts. It’s like the people who scream we want our Arsenal back. Which one? The one with Bruce Rioch or the one with George Graham and a football that even Stoke supporters don’t want anymore. I remember Highbury and Bruce Rioch’s football and it was dire save for the occasional brilliance of DB10. Wenger has turned down numerous jobs: Lyon, Fulham, in Germany, China, United Arab Emirates, … . Like he said,… Read more »

Guns of SF

Happy Friday ALL

Joe

Valentin You didn’t like arsenal under GG? Didn’t like winning the league and only losing 1 match? Didn’t love going to Anfield on the last day of the season and winning the league I hate wenger and I was watching arsenal long before he ever showed up Wenger never showed respect for the fans , so like fuck I’ll show him respect He had 3 good seasons out of 21. Made us a laughing stock. Embarrassed us in Europe and has set us back a decade. He turned down Fulham? Who cares. That’s his level. The championship. He’s a washed… Read more »

Chris

Valentin I think what you described regarding Wenger being afraid of retirement, you are right he is now enjoying life it appears which to be fair is what most level headed people saw to be one of a few reasons he should have left Arsenal before he did. It was easy to see how the job was taking its toll on his life and health. I feel he is perfect where he is right now, staying in the game but in a much less busy and prominent role (consultant or investor ata. Football tech company I read) for his own… Read more »

Joe

So May has stepped down. What does that mean for Brexit?

General election and another referendum?

Marko

From what I can tell he’s turned down Fulham and that’s it. Amazing how a simple comment on the man cause you know he’s in the news mouthing off again and it gets the expectant response from the usual “types”. Like moths to a very dull and jobless flame.

Bob N16

3 seasons out of 22, wow!

Valentin

Joe, To say that Wenger never shown respect to the fact but that George Graham did is absolutely non-sensical. Here is a man who took bung money. In short George Graham stole from the club, but according to you he showed respect to the fans! Talk about reverse sense of value! Having your manager caught with his hands in the cookie jar and then having him turning up at your biggest rival is not embarrassing! Have you ever attended an Arsenal home game? Have you ever attended an Arsenal game at Highbury? Where you there when George Graham was in… Read more »

Joe

We’ve got our arsenal back was that we got our arsenal back from the hands of a tyrant who controlled every aspect of the club. Now it may take a couple more years to Reap the rewards of wenger being told to fuck off. But the energy has been different all season. I for one am excited to watch the arsenal again. I love the feeling not having to watch the clueless on the sidelines have no idea what to do next as we blow it again. So yes we have our arsenal back. It’s ours, not wenger’s as he… Read more »

Joe

Have you ever attended an Arsenal home game?
Have you ever attended an Arsenal game at Highbury?
Where you there when George Graham was in charge?

Yes. Yes. Didn’t see a live match with GG but watched on TV. My first live match was 98. The first time I travelled to Europe.

And valentin, the football under wenger for the last bunch of years was worse than anything GG dished up

Valentin

Have you attended home games this season or just watched them on an illegal feed?

Past the initial excitement of a new season and the unknown, it fell flat. Even during the overhyped undefeated run, people were complaining about the quality of football.

Half the games have been pure dirge. People barely turning up. Booing when Lacazette is substituted.

I don’t remember the joy and happiness after defeat against Crystal Palace and draw against Brighton. Ask away fans who attended Wolves game how they felt.

Valentin

Your first live game is in 1998.
So basically you have never actually seen a George Graham games, but here you are pontificating about something you have never seen.

Joe

Illegal feed? Hahaha.

You’re a wanker

You know that we get PL
Matches shown on our sports channels here

Valentin. Sorry. So obvious you see arsenal through wenger tinted glasses. No point in talking to you.

Wenger is a loser. Get over it. He ruined arsenal because of his own greed. It’ll take years for us to clean up the mess he left

He should have been replaced when we moved to the Emirates. We would be in such an amazing place right now. We’d actually be at the Bayern level and not just talking about it

Marko

He said he watched them on TV. Keep up

Joe

Valentin

Are you ret*arded. I wrote above I never saw GG’s arsenal live

And we had it on tv you moron

Joe

Valentin

Running around in circles chasing your tail.

Valentin

Joe,

You just made my point.
Insulting people because you have no argument.
Respect is not something you seem to understand.

@Marko,

You really can’t help yourself…
The site was so much friendlier and entertaining the few days you were gone.

Joe

There is no argument Valentin

I already said I didn’t see GGs Arsenal live

Not my problem you can’t read.

Guns of SF

anyone know what channel in the US for the EL final?

Joe

Oh I understand it

And wenger has none of mine.

Joe

Guns

Just watch it on illegal feed like Valentin thinks all supporters that don’t go to live matches watch their matches.

CG

“Guns of sf

“””” anyone know what channel in the US for the EL final?”””

Horror Channel 003

Joe

Guns

Probably fox sports