You know when people are like, ‘Christmas has started because the Pret Christmas Latte just dropped’ or something nauseatingly basic like that? The football equivalent is, ‘you know summer has started when Ornstein drops a bombshell that Arsenal will be shite in the transfer window.’
He’s only gone and done it AGAIN.
Top level: ‘It’s going to be a bit bland’
If we lose against Chelsea, £40m is our starting point.
We’re going project youth with a bit of experience (same as last summer).
We want a centre back, an Aaron replacement, and a winger type entity.
Additionally, if there is an extra special deal, we’ll chase a left back, right back and a striker.
ARSENAL WILL NOT BREACH FFP
Thank fuck for the last snippet, I know there’s been a lot of grumblings in the community of late about making sure we don’t EVER break a single rule, right now, I’m just letting off a massive sigh of THANK FUCK that we’re going to play it safe.
So what to make of this goss fest?
Well, don’t wet those panties you absolute man child. Also, why are you wearing panties? Grow up and step away from your mum’s lingerie drawer you 35-year-old freak. Get your 2001 Beano branded specials on and let’s dive into the mixer like peak Bobby P against Pompey.
If we are a Europa League club, blasting money away isn’t sensible. The MIGHTY Swiss Ramble has some analysis on how badly we’ve been rocked by the step-down.
So the benefits of qualifying for the Champions League over the Europa League are clear. As it stands, English CL clubs have earned well over twice as much as EL clubs – even though 2 have reached the final:#LFC €107m#THFC €102m#MUFC €93m#MCFC €93m#CFC €40m#AFC €36m pic.twitter.com/r82tADlaaN
— Swiss Ramble (@SwissRamble) May 13, 2019
We have a lot of expensive dross in the squad and I’d imagine Stan is asking Raul to realign the wage bill and move on the shite before we start going nuts again. £235m a year in wages is outrageous for the return.
Secondly, there’s some heated debate over whether the Ornstein budget figure is right. Some say we’re hiding our improved financial success, some say the number is what it is.
This is Gambon from the comments on where the new cash is coming from.
💰New club level seats £5m
💰Adidas £30m
💰Emirates 12m
💰Visit Rwanda £10m
💰New TV deal £10m
I’ve heard the lower number since November, and I’d say if we were looking at a £100m starting point, we’d have loosened the purse strings in January. Telling that we didn’t do that, isn’t it?
It’ll be interesting to see how hard we go at freeing up cash this summer. Mustafi and Xhaka should surely be heading for the exit door, there should be £70m incoming for those two alone. Auba is being linked to Madrid for £85m. Love him to bits, he’s helped shape our season, but he’s 29 so don’t be sentimental about this. The biggest travesty of the latter years of Arsene is his hoarding of players. We need to learn how to sell at peak, he’s hit peak, so we should absolutely take that cash if it’s on offer and invest like Liverpool did when they earned a big windfall. I’d take losing a 29-year-old versus having to lose a kid to find the next step.
Also, don’t moan at me and starting bleating on that he’s our best player… who did you vote for in the Arsenal Player of the Season Award?
What?
Speak up?
Thought so.
You hypocritical disgrace.
Drop transfer exits like I’ve laid out and you’re at £190m for spending power. You can buy many nice toys with cash like that. Then think of all the other players we could shift on… Elneny, Chambers, Mikhi, Jenks… there’s £30m in that mix.
Basically, don’t read into the £40m like that’s as far as the summer goes. It simply says to me that selling players is key to a hype summer execution.
Cut away all of the speculation, which could be spot on, or it could be really badly wrong (Ornstein had us with a £100m budget in January), the real story for me is that Edu only has an offer on the table, he hasn’t said yes.
Emery and Raul are at the wheel. We know they like sniffing around that bargain section. They’re the footballing equivalent of yellow sticker sandwich eaters. They don’t even like medium rare beef and Stilton… but if that sticker says 26p, it’s in the basket, no questions asked. Denis Suarez was a brown banana that was found under the fridge, the yellow sticker was just bants… but someone bought it, you know who? Yep. Yep.
So our summer is going to happen without the future architect of the club sailing the ship. Sven, love him or hate him, helped navigate us away from players like Banega, Nzonzi, Malcolm, and Denis Suarez. What is going to happen now? I like Cagigao, he sourced Santi, Bellerin and Cesc… but how much power will he be given?
Emery isn’t good at spending money if you look at some of the players he’s been responsible for in the past, he likes old and slow… or just utterly Suarezy. Raul wouldn’t be hiring a TD if he knew how to build a squad. Seems like a recipe for expensive mistakes. It looks like we’re going to head into next season without a vision or direction again. It’s spend and hope. I hate that. It is never going to work when those above us are driving towards an exciting vision mapped to a plan (Not Chelsea, lolololol).
Hopefully, I’m wrong. Nkunku looks a player when I’ve watched him. Djené has a lot of hype around him and £13.5m seems a bargain. However, there’s a bad stench of Rabiot-to-Arsenal everywhere you read, the guy has a piss poor attitude and didn’t like Emery last time around. Then I worry we’ll rekindle bland dreams of the past, Perisic or Carrasco are weighing heavily on my mind. Players past their prime, or with Ozil like attitudes to the game.
I don’t want to fuck about with talent that has temperament issues. Just give me young prime meat that wants to explode onto the scene. £75k a week or less. No mega contracts that make them fat and lazy. Let’s operate on a lean model and make sure hunger is central to their MO… just like it is at Spurs. I read a Poch article the other week that said he loved the players who want to leave because they care about success, be wary of those who thrive in comfort. Who is begging to leave Arsenal? Says a lot… right? A few too many just in it for the cashed paycheque.
Anyway, a real mixed back. Needless to say, summer will be busy. x
P.S. Souness and Keane FURIOUS that once again, they are proved wrong by a foreigner with better ideas of how the game should be played (tackles number). Arteta helping to architect one of the smartest off the ball sides the Premier League has ever seen, I’m welling up everyone, someone pass me a tissue, so emosh.
“Cut the crap with the Arteta fellating Pedro fuckin hell.”
lol @Ole, careful of the ban…
I personally wouldn’t touch Griezmann for 108 million
Dissenter i didn’t even know you were in the naughty house although i began to suspect so yesterday
Welcome back.
“I personally wouldn’t touch Griezmann for 108 million”
Well the ones suspected of doing so did touch Coutinho and Dembele for a combined 200m+ so finding value isn’t really their forte
Charlie Emery’s time at Valencia and Sevilla demonstrates his ability to do two things: one, compete for top four on modest budgets; and two, win the Europa League. Given this is his remit at Arsenal — CL football via top four or via the EL (on modest budgets) — Emery was a sensible hire, whatever you or Pedro or others think of him. As for straw-man arguments, you asked the following the other day: “What has Emery done in his managerial career that tells you he can scale us from 6th to 1st over a period of time?” Not one… Read more »
Dissenter
I didn’t know. Welcome back.
Gambon We need to keep on the books some experienced players in age group 23-25, which is why I have included Chambers who can fulfil a dual role in midfield or defence if required. We are talking as I suggested about the 4th-5th option in DMF/CMF behind Torreira, Xhaka and Guendouzi. So realistically I would not want to spend “transfer fees” on this position. The priority is to invest on a Box to Box Midfielder who is going to replace Ramsey. That is going to cost a fair chunk of our transfer budget. I would offload Monreal, because both he… Read more »
Mario,
I personally wouldn’t touch Griezmann for 108 million
Barcelona’s transfers are a sorry mess.
Without Messi, they are like the pigeons on O’Connell street, Dublin, just hopping randomly.
Dissenter, you kind of quit after lambasting the entire comments section, but welcome back all the same.
Coming back on a donkey, now that’s good English.
The Griezmann to Barca deal is good for us though
Atletico have to replace him and who better than our Lacazette.
We can easily get 90 million for Laca in this market.
The bonus of driving TR7 bonkers with this deal makes it more appealing.
“Not one person here has argued that he’s the man to get us to first, nor is that his task. ”
I just don’t get why Charles struggles with this aspect
He champions Arteta or any other unknown in the hope, keyword being hope, they are the new best things since sliced bread and somehow gets us to the title. A football club cannot be built on hope.
Barca would be better off going for Lacazette or Jovic honestly. I just can’t see Griezmann spearheading Barcelona’s attack
Pedro
C’mon man.
You didn’t even give me the courtesy of letting me know that’s why you binned me!
It’s the Arteta thing that’s driving me crazy. I won’t be debating that subject ever again. Long may Arteta reign .
You took crack from a crackhead man, not good at all.
Ander Herrera is set to earn 300k at PSG
This sport will ruin itself someday
Atletico will come back for Laca
They have always wanted him.
We can tell them; give us Thomas Partey and 40 million.
I am not often in agreement with Marko, but he is right in that the way we manage our squad wage is amateurish. Why renegotiate now with players when they are already paid more than what they could negotiate nearly everywhere else? Unless you are not a bosman, none of the league pay as much as the EPL. Auba will be 30 within a month. Which club is willing to give him a 3 years contract on £250k/w? None. Outside of huge stars such as Ronaldo, Even Real Madrid does not pay that kind of money. Remember when Viera was… Read more »
“It’s the Arteta thing that’s driving me crazy”
Welcome to the club.
Receding
Andre Herrera for 300k weekly!
Besides having a state’s money to spend, PSG are a shabbily run club.
Wait till the rest of their summer transfer budget to get De Gea for an obsene amount and pay him like Messi.
Good thing is that they will have to sell to offset their madness.
CC, a lot of retrofitting of strategy has gone into this Emery viewpoint. A reminder. He wasn’t in the mixer, he threw his hat in late in the game, Ivan G panicked and made a snap judgement when he got the jitters over Arteta. Emery’s backroom team weren’t interviewed, they didn’t do their due diligence, they just went for him out of sheer panic. He could barely speak English (still can’t). ‘But we just wanted an ok manager to stabilize things’ is such a nonsense. Liverpool didn’t hire a stabilizer, they went for the real deal when they were 10th.… Read more »
I think 4th-6th is the best outcome for this squad.
Why not break it up now?
I know it’s crazy talk but I would sell every major playing asset now bar Leno, Torriera and one of Auba or Laca.
Everyone else has to be on the chopping block.
I wouldn’t pay Guendouzi any more than he is already on
He’s not a long term keep, just a calf that’s being fattened to be sold off next summer.
“Good thing is that they will have to sell to offset their madness.”
Don’t think i want anyone off them honestly, not even the kid Nkunku . the clubs smells of a bad attitude from top to bottom, i don’t want that here.
Dissenter, you said goodbye… you binned yourself!
Sun is out in NYC today after the coldest May in 9 years. God bless the sun gods.
Wolves installing barrier seating.
https://twitter.com/Wolves/status/1128376072377118720
Great news.
Sarri isn’t winning the league for Chelsea, not in this lifetime. It was a poor hire and finishing third didn’t hide that. Chelsea have more right talking of a league challenge than we do.
“There’s too much money associated with this mental vision of hiring in a bland manager with a low ceiling.”
All this ceiling talk, who determines where the ceilings at? A lot of managers you thought had high ceilings have failed miserably over the past two years, have you ever put up your hands to admit that??
Bamford
I totally agree with you on the comment of Emery being a coach that can get you top.
Surprised Pedro, is still pissed with it, after he supported Brighton sacking Hugton. When Emery stabilizes the team in top 4, we can say thank you and then get a coach that can target the league for us. Brighton brought in Houghton to get them to the premiere and stabilize them, then they said thank you.
We can work with that model
LNot one person here has argued that he’s the man to get us to first, nor is that his task.“ Several have argued that its possible if given time and resources. The argument of alternative managers is often shot down with the idea that Emery has done well and needs time to build. Asking what his career to date tells us about his ability to grow is more than fair. And it’s the answer that very few seem willing to go near because of the clearly average nature that ensues. Btw, to assert there’s a “top 4” remit comparable outside… Read more »
I just can’t get into another discussion about Arteta and Emery and all that. I just can’t the weather’s too nice and I don’t want an ulcer. The only thing I’ll say is common sense and reality will win out in the end over nonsense and wishful thinking
RH,
Doesn’t matter what you think on that matter, he went toe to toe with Juve, which is a little like the job Jardim did with Monaco. If his football is built to its finest, it’s more than capable of something special like a league win.
Chelsea bought a vision and a style, they didn’t by ‘a slightly better league position’
Sarri might not ever see that come to light because of the ban, but he wasn’t hired for top 4 or as a transition.
Nor was Emery, because that’s a poor way to invest in the future.
Pedro,
Could it be that Ivan G didn’t panic when he plumped for Emery, but rather that he had an inkling that he was likely to be out of the club shortly and didn’t want to leave an intelligent but inexperienced guy like Arteta to fend for himself without CEO support in an unstable club?
Pedro It’s as I predicted. Despite the new management structure, Kroenke is looking to replicate what wenger delivered for most of his reign: CL football on a budget. Most arsenal fans must be starting to accept that a genuine title challenge is a very long way off and are now desperate for top four which, you’ve got to admit, is deeply ironic. Can arsenal bring the 4th place trophy back home with a combination of project 2.0 and shrewd, cheap buys? Maybe, but we’ve been here before haven’t we? In won’t be easy anyway. English football has become a lot… Read more »
Pedro
So you binned me for showing good manners by saying good bye,as in catch up later?
That was my way of saying sayonara, arrivederci, adios etc.
Anyways, it’s good to be back.
Obum, very much doubt Brighton planned like that. They gave CH a chance, he scrapped by, now they are investing in better.
If Emery doesn’t make it this season, will we do the same by that logic?
Plus I can also see that Griezmann deal fucking us up big time this summer. Atletico are about to get 100 million on top of the 80 million for Hernandez. All you need is one person moving for 100 million and the next thing you know the whole market just inflats overnight. Not to mention Atletico now can easily go out and buy Pepe or Grimaldo or whoever
On the other hand, not only was Emery more experienced in football management terms, but he was also experienced in working in a dysfunctional albeit much less financially constrained environment at PSG…
Alex,
‘Stan operates Arsenal like a business’ is a weird thing to come at me with.
What is your expectation?
… and will you ever find a new talking point?
As long as we only have 1 or 2 players that would get into Pools or City’s matchday squads we’re not challenging for any league titles no matter who the manager is.
Talking about any managers ceiling or what they have achieved in the past without taking into account the players or clubs they’ve managed is just silly talk.
Dissenter, I apologise… but it was like a friend had left calling me a whopper and slammed the door, all I did was apply the bolt.
now desperate for top four which, you’ve got to admit, is deeply ironic.
It’s not ironic we’re desperate for it because we’re so close to being a permanent Europa League team thanks to Arsene that we’re desperate for it. It shouldn’t be our be all though but it’ll have to be until the club starts acting like an ambitious club again. I personally don’t think Arsenal have shown any sort of real ambition since before the stadium move
Words, he was sacked from that environment, not sure he really thrived in it.
“Chelsea bought a vision and a style, they didn’t by ‘a slightly better league position’” And that vision was duly abandoned during the course of the season for a fourth place finish Sarriball never saw the new year, Chelsea players started playing the way they know best and he just went along with it. Unless the vision was giving the ball to Jorginho and he gives it back to you. Anyways that’s all i have to say on that subject for now, it has been talked to death. The club made a hire you do not agree with and you… Read more »
Pedro
I know, it truly baffles. The mental gymnastics required to determine him a good hire are there for all to see. He’s being drawn up as a fresh face to kick the can down the road, that in itself is a picture to behold.
Had enough of the top 4 with Wenger, got so disillusioned with what being elite was all about, so the fix is to bring a guy in that can reinstall what perennially average looks like? The joys..
There was an article on Telegraph that explained that Brighton failure are more due to them having a crap recruitment team than Chris Houghton.
They did not say he was blameless but that having no striker of Premiership quality except Glenn Murray despite having spend a fair amount is an indictment of the scouting department.
I’m not sure saying that “Stan operates Arsenal like a business” is necessarily correct.
No business owner seats idly away while the business is being run into the ground.
No business owner stays away while average employees are being overly compensated.
We haven’t been run like a business in along while.
We are like a ship drifting close to icebergs because the captain is having siesta and can not be bothered to get the engineer to fix the broken engines.
Had enough of the top 4 with Wenger, got so disillusioned with what being elite was all about
We were elite? Huh…
Stan is supposed to get actively involved in this technical director search.
It’s an abominable act of negligence that this search has taken so long.
Pedro ” ‘We just wanted an ok manager to stabilize things’ is such nonsense. Liverpool didn’t hire a stabilizer, they went for the real deal when they were 10th.” Right, but no one is saying the first thing. What is being said is that he was hired because they believed he could get us CL football on relatively modest budgets, and CL football was their first priority. You might disagree with this approach, but it’s not an unreasonable approach, and Emery is not an unreasonable hire if this is your approach. As for Liverpool, sure, they took a different approach… Read more »
Marko
Yes, and under Wenger we acted as such earl on, then became disillusioned by it all and no longer acted in that way…
Then finally we replaced him, but apparently with someone who can bring back the mediocrity we got so exasperated by. That’s the logic being unpacked here.
“We were elite? Huh…”
Apparently we were elite
He even scoffed when i mentioned AC Milan, believing we were somehow better than Milan, one of the biggest European clubs ever.
He accuses people of mental gymnastics yet he is a coach in the field
Sarri would have been sacked had it not been for the transfer ban
He’s a lucky man. I just hope he doesn’t win his first trophy at the expense of Arsenal FC.
AC Milan’s last league title 2011
AC Milan’s last UCL title 2007
Arsenal’s last league title 2004
Arsenal’s last UCL title never
But Charles scoffed when i said something about us being about as elite as AC Milan right now ..saying we were better than Milan
Receding
Why don’t you fuck off with the condescending bollocks? It’s been a fine place to be the last few days but you’re doing your level best to shit talk and stir the pot. Give it a rest.
Arsenal are elite, and more importantly capable of being such in the immediate future. AC Milan are not. I didn’t think it warranted a breakdown, but apparently so. Their prestige and history in the game wasn’t being questioned, their current status among elites was. Clear difference.
CC, you end up going down a rabbit hole with certain people… but reality is, no one will hire Emery to an elite job after Arsenal. He’s back to Sevilla or Villareal. He’s Juande Ramos or Bruce Rioch. Let’s just hope he has some Europa spark for us.
This is a good read with regards to Project Youth 3.0
https://www.economist.com/game-theory/2019/05/12/how-manchester-city-came-to-rule-english-football
Long time since we were elite Charlie. The candidates we were talking to weren’t so obviously capable of bridging that gap between mediocre and elite. Anyway time and investment maybe we’ll get back to the promise land
CC It was strange seeing you argue yesterday that we are elite. AC Milan won’t be considered elite these days even though they have won; 18 Serie A Championships. … 7 Time Champions Cup/League Winner. … 5 European Super Cups. … 3 Intercontinental Cups. … 1 Club World Cup. … 2 Cup Winners Cup. … 5 Coppa Italias. … 5 Italian Super Cups They have not been relevant enough to still be considered elite. Same as Ajax until this recent resurgence. Just having a London postal doesn’t confer eliteness You’re the one lamenting about our lack of identity. Returning back… Read more »
no one will hire Emery to an elite job after Arsenal. He’s back to Sevilla or Villareal
Sounds about our level
“Then finally we replaced him, but apparently with someone who can bring back the mediocrity we got so exasperated by.”
No we are trying to get back to a place were we thought we could build from before Wenger proved incapable of building on it.
No one called competing in the champions league mediocre, what was mediocre was getting thrashed 10-2 on aggregate, failing to build on being a champions league team by building a squad capable of challenging for a league title.
Arsenal is an elite club and we have far more pull than Milan.
Dissenter, Milan is also elite.
But the star of Serie A has faded dramatically.
“Arsenal is an elite club and we have far more pull than Milan”
Yea something to do with London i guess not actual football pedigree.
History shows Sevilla only winning one La Liga title back in 1945-46 season .
Emery put Sevilla on the map!.
Alexander
BTW, my quip a week back about “I guess you can think clearly” was nothing more than friendly banter. In no way was I trying to be a dick. My tone there was totally misconstrued, and I asked Benny to communicate this to you — as Pedro silenced me immediately after that remark — but I don’t think he ever got around to it.
Regardless, despite our many battles re Kroenke and my strong disagreement with your POV on that question, I wasn’t trying to be a dick, even if it came off that way. Cheers.
Which is why it’s also disheartening to read people disrespect the EL
That’s out current level- embrace it
I would have preferred to have us drop out of the CL to win the EL those seasons where Bayern we delivering a whooping on us.
Better an identity of winning the lesser cup that been sodomized publicly by the truly big clubs in a completion that was too good for us to be in.
“Arsenal are elite, and more importantly capable of being such in the immediate future.”
Because we have money to spend? No we don’t
Why are we capable of getting back to being elite in the immediate future and AC Milan aren’t?
By the way get a hold of your temper, only person allowed to tell people to fcuk off here is Pedro not you. Here has also been pleasant today, debate the points you are making and stop appealing for sympathy
RH, for fucks sake… AC Milan is in… MILAN. One of the most elite places to live on the planet.
Arsenal is elite because of so many thing.
Training facilities, stadium, wages, attendances, global reach, brand, platform… we will always be elite, the question is whether we’ll be relevant (same for United)
Bamford
Have you been locked away at bloggers anonymous for a total rehab job.
Geez, you’re apologizing too much to everyone.
Show us some of that passionate fire, will you? 😀😀😀
Arsenal are not an elite club the sooner you realize this the better. It’ll help with those unrealistic expectations you have. 3 league titles in 20+ years none back to back since the 1930’s from what I can tell and a total irrelevance in European competition. We don’t really ever compete for big players in the transfer market.
Better lift a trophy than nothing. And an European trophy.
And if it can put us into the next CL, even better.
“History shows Sevilla only winning one La Liga title back in 1945-46 season .
Emery put Sevilla on the map!.”
In a nutshell
Sevilla’s three straight European cup wins made them a team everyone in football knows. But Emery did not advance them i am told because he did not win the league with them.
Dissenter, that sort of thinking, though it clearly has no effect on anything, is the sort of thinking I’d hate to be around Arsenal.
Fans have zero ambition is one thing, but my worry is we have a group of Marko’s and Dissenter’s inside the club just happy to roll with the notion that the best we can do is where we are.
That’d be very sad… but shit, Dave Priestly still has a job managing our mental strength.
Milan ’s budget has been shrinking like a detumescent prick since they stopped being elite. They spent a modest sum to rebuild last season and still violated FFP.
Guess which London club has its budget shrinking away too?
Marko, stop bringing us down with your abusive partner like behaviour.
We are elite… an unreal club, we just have people like Emery driving us towards irrelevance.
Show some love.
Training facilities and stadium…ah sure if that’s the case there’s plenty of elite clubs out there. I thought you meant elite by footballing and successful/competing standards
Pedro Arsenal’s present standing in the football world has nothing to do with the fans but all to do with the way we have been run for a decade and more now. You preached that and i accepted it. You were one of those telling us we will be left behind and we have. Changing your tone now to make us believe we are one saucy appointment away from glory is a bit hard to take. I notice you haven’t told us where Arteta will get his 600m pounds from, that was the first ingredient needed to build a world… Read more »
“By the way get a hold of your temper, only person allowed to tell people to fcuk off here is Pedro not you. Here has also been pleasant today, debate the points you are making and stop appealing for sympathy“
There’s no appeal for sympathy, there’s telling you to talk in a manner that isn’t full of snark and condescension. My temper is just fine thanks, it’s simply an aversion to the bs tone you’re offering when it’s not called for. Be a bit more introspective instead of dishing out the pep talks.
“We are elite… an unreal club, we just have people like Emery driving us towards irrelevance.”
Nah he arrived here when we were irrelevant
Now we face the prospect of our first European title in decades and our very first Super cup appearance
I’ve been massively impressed by Pochettino
He is using his leverage to get Spuds to invest in players. He’s threatening to walk away and it’s spinning wheels at the club.
Wenger had that same leverage soon after we moved to the Emirates.
Instead of using it for the clubs benefit, he acquiesced with the BoD and took the political capital to make himself unsackable. He decided to pursue his own social experiments instead.
That stadium isn’t going to limit Spuds spending the way we used the Emirates as an excuse.
Can’t wait until we win the EL back to back to back. Going to be unreal times as an Arsenal fan, bet that’ll rattle the rest of the league.
Fuck actually going for a domestic title, or mixing it at the latter stages of THE European table. Let’s collect all the wooden spoons and just agree amongst ourselves it’s fucking spectacular
Talking of irrelevance and then hyping the possibility of a super cup appearance.
The banter.
CC
You still don’t Wenger is partly accountable for our lack of identity?
Any manager who dismisses and excuses a 10-2 shellacking has to be a major culprit in an identity confusion crisis.
RH,
Being an elite football club has little to do with you position in the table… hence Klopp going to Liverpool
You’re way off key…
Again, Liverpool went from 10th to 2nd. Sauciest managerial apt in the league. Poch has overseen a stadium move and a CL final, a saucy apt.
You can keep pretending the hire of a visionary talent won’t move us along, but all around us are examples of teams doing better on less.
When was the last time we were in a discussion for the domestic title??
When was the last time we actually mixed it at the latter stages of the champions league??
How long has Emery been here…12 months …
We are elite… an unreal club, we just have people like Emery driving us towards irrelevance. Pedro please don’t ban me for not agreeing with you that we’re an elite club and that’s it’s the current manager that’s holding us back from true elite-ness. It just sounds like total garbage to me. We have not been successful enough over a 15 year period to even be remotely considered elite. The whole thing is silly. Elite clubs don’t have a squad full of wank players and 40 million budgets. They compete for major honours they sign the best and most attractive… Read more »
Super Cup was a special comment.
Dissenter
Wenger is accountable for plenty, a lack of identity isn’t one of those by a long way. Being incapable of realising it? Sure.
Actually having one and wanting Arsenal to aspire to one? No, and that’s well documented.
Marko, I’m banning you for lacking ambition.
Receding
What has the time Emery’s been here got to do with a domestic title and mixing it in the CL latter stages?
Are you saying these will come under Emery with time?
there’s telling you to talk in a manner that isn’t full of snark and condescension…Can’t wait until we win the EL back to back to back. Going to be unreal times as an Arsenal fan, bet that’ll rattle the rest of the league. Fuck actually going for a domestic title, or mixing it at the latter stages of THE European table. Let’s collect all the wooden spoons and just agree amongst ourselves it’s fucking spectacular And everyone was getting along so well. Also I don’t think anyone is going overboard with the Europa League I think that’s just some spin… Read more »
No one ever has said an appointment doesn’t matter What you have done Pedro is try to tell the future and doubled down on it You have said the man will fail with better players You have said he will be bland and uninspiring You have said a lot of unkind things about the present coach of Arsenal FC which would have been understandable if you were championing someone unarguably better …..you aren’t. You are asking us to accept without question that our former uninspiring captain who showed zero leadership during his time here and became Mourinho like during his… Read more »
Champagne charlie
You heaped praise on Wenger for collecting the wooden spoon top 4 trophy year on year….you muppet.
Wenger always had a vision… Project Youth, British Core… and SPEND BADLY.
Don’t miss him, but he can’t be knocked for giving it a go.
Right, tapping out…
“Super Cup was a special comment.”
yep it’s a game i have always enjoyed watching
A better curtain raiser than the charity shield by some distance
RH, I’ve had Emery clocked since October.
‘Jugde him in May’ it’s May and I was correct.
Pony hire. If he wins Europa, it’ll be us kicking the problem down the road for another season.
Marko, I’m banning you for lacking ambition.
Pedro I’m going to start a blog and perma ban you for not having enough patience. I’ve got ambition it’s just my club that doesn’t. For Arsenal to show ambition you’re talking about putting in the time and investment into sorting out the mess. Once that’s done then you realize your ambition
“‘Jugde him in May’ it’s May and I was correct.”
No you weren’t
Pedro,
“We are elite….we are an unreal club, we just have people like Emery driving us towards irrelevance.”
Unreal Trumpistani rhetoric that fails to engage with reality.
If the only problem is Emery, and the only barrier to Arsenal regaining its rightful elite status is Emery, the solution is simple: get rid of Emery and hire Herr/Senor Special Sauce and all will be well.
The level of self-delusion is unreal – this from someone who rightly and consistently accused Arsene and his apologists of self-delusion….
Being an elite football club has little to do with you position in the table… hence Klopp going to Liverpool
Liverpool are an elite club. Far more league titles and actual worthy success in Europe. And most importantly in the last few years have acted like an elite club. They make a cup final they push on and spend 160 million to bridge that gap and to compete. That’s ambition that’s elite. We make a cup final and we’re absolutely shitting ourselves that we’ll only have 40 million this summer. That’s not elite
If the only problem is Emery, and the only barrier to Arsenal regaining its rightful elite status is Emery, the solution is simple: get rid of Emery and hire Herr/Senor Special Sauce and all will be well.
If it’s that simple why not just do it.
Arsenal have been Europa league level for at least a decade.
Mixing it in the Champions league was a fantasy.
Pedro There is no point persisting with your opinion about Emery, because the reality is that he is not going to leave this summer. He has done better than a lot of people thought he would do and Arsenal have always given their managers an opportunity to prove themselves. On a quite different matter Arsenal are an ” elite club”, because of the history, support base but above all their revenue stream. Adidas are shelling out £60 million sponsorship, which very few other clubs will achieve. Liverpool had decades of mismanagement and lack of success, but they have always been… Read more »
Elite club is an intangible thing. It is a combination of current status, historic relevance, league and club attractivity. ManCity has no historical relevance on the European stage, but because they have money and just titles in England today it is an elite club. Celtic has more history, more fans around the world won more titles in the last ten years but is not an Elite club. Nobody cares about the SPL, and their result in Europe are poor. Apart from Juventus, none of the Italian league clubs are viewed as Elite. They may have the history, but they are… Read more »