Great coaching outshines talent as Klopp destroys Barca

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The folk bizarrely pushing the idea that coaching isn’t an effective tool for progress had to cancel all future opinions going live in public.

Liverpool crushed the MIGHTY Barcelona in a 4-0 drubbing for the ages.

Yes, Shaqiri, Wijnaldum, Origi, and Henderson all featured and starred in an absolute masterclass at Anfield, showing that a strong vision, a defined footballing philosophy, and good old fashioned coaching can trump individual talent… even when that talent is Lionel Messi.

As Tr7 said perfectly the comments, ‘It was heavy metal football that rattled Barca, not the quality of players Liverpool has.’ They still delivered without their best players. An incredible achievement, even if it does make me pig sick… our biggest mistake of the last ten years was passing on Klopp and Pep.

MORE MONEY

MORE PLAYERS

MORE MONEY

MORE PLAYERS

… really doesn’t rub when you see Jordan Henderson as a regular in their side. Origi proving pivotal at the highest level. Low budget signings like Robertson game changing all season. Trent Arnold breaking through from the youth team and playing like a superstar. They lost Salah and still manage to compete. Arsenal lose Ramsey and the whole thing falls apart. Unai picked up a squad in better shape than Klopp, spent more money in his first transfer window than the German did in 2 years and managed to make things worse.

There’s no real way to compare the two managers. As I pointed out yesterday, Klopp finished a lowly 8th in his first season, but he also picked up a dreck squad that was deflated and 10th. He had no preseason to work with, and in his final 13 games, his team scored 31 goals. His coaching had him finish stronger than he started, you could see what he was doing on the pitch, not in hopeful translated text on Marca.

Their stadium was absolutely rocking. You know why? Because the football courses through the veins. It’s electric. The energy on the pitch translates to the stands. If you think that has been standard at Liverpool over the last ten years, you have never met a season ticket holder there.

I am jealous of what they have, Klopp has been a sensation. He was my original managerial crush way back when, I had my doubts about his rebirth at Liverpool, oh how wrong I was. Elite of the elite. Can you believe we let him sit without a job while Wenger paraded deal after new deal?

Just read these words Klopp had after the game.

“It was overwhelming … I actually … I said to the boys before the game that it’s impossible, but because it’s you we have a chance. I have watched in my life so many football games, but to play the best team in the world … look, winning is already difficult, but to win with a clean sheet … It’s 10.10pm and the children are probably in bed so I’m sorry about the language but can I say these boys are fucking talented giants. It’s all about the players.”

Employing an inspiring coach that knows how to develop players is so important. If you don’t have that, why persist? Charisma, passion, energy… that’s what makes a club rock. But again, I can’t hammer home how utterly bat shit it is to excuse this season because our players aren’t coachable. Think about that statement and how weak it is.

Pep Guardiola, the chequebook manager everyone slates, took a journeyman central midfielder called Fabian Delph and turned him into a regular left-back in a team that will go down as one of the all times greats in Premier League history. World class managers make average players great. They make collections of them work as a unit. They organise, inspire and equip them with the tools they need to succeed.

How about we talk about a really shite team, like, say, Southampton? They were in a mess before they played us at Christmas. Ralph Hassenhutl, an interest of Le Grove a few years ago came in and reshaped them. Ryan Bertrand had this to say on what he’s done.

“The manager has came in and has given us an identity,”

“He has given us a clear style of play and leaves no stone unturned.

“It is a real pleasure to go on the field like that and not have people questioning each other.”

“If you asked 100 people what Southampton’s style of play was, you would get similar answers,” he added.

“It would be that we are a high pressing team, very competitive and play good football.

“That may have been adrift before.”

If you asked 100 people about Arsenal’s identity, what would you get?

“Catch Kola on the overlap’

We are still there a year on.

Better players give you better results, no doubt, but whether it’s the highest level or the lowest, the clearer the vision, the better the outcome. Look at Mourinho over the years, his Champions League win with Inter Milan was genius. That squad was a ragtag bunch of pros that he turned into a formidable unit. Look at how Jardim toppled the mighty PSG. Look at what Ajax are doing, win or lose tonight.

Arsenal has conceded 52 goals so far this season. Some flag that Holding and Bellerin would have made things better… reality is, we were on for conceding 50+ goals with them in the side. Poor organisation is always going to leave you exposed regardless of who is playing. The game is far too competitive now to be able to get away with good players simply bailing you out. Everyone is of a high technical standard now, you will be destroyed if you aren’t organised and that’s exactly what’s been going on.

Sam Allardyce has always known this. He goes into clubs on fire, organises them and makes them competitive. He takes shite defences, with shite defenders and he makes them better. That’s good coaching even if the football causes an eye infection.

Anyway, time to move on. I think we all know where I stand on our bland on toast manager.

Tonight, we are ALL Ajax fans. Finally, something we can agree on.

However, I do fear that Spurs power will be a big problem for them and we’ll have to suffer a Champions League final where we want neither side to win.

I’m just going to be thinking about Vermaelen, Bergkamp, Kanu and Overmars all day today… then I’m going to pray to the footballing gods.

Spurs making a final would be too much.

If they lose this evening… that’ll be the 20th game of the season. They’ll have limped into top 4. They won’t have won a trophy, AGAIN.

How funny would that be?

Very.

See you in the comments. x

 

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  1. Marc

    Dissenter

    “He wasn’t well treated in mu opinion, not after spending as much as 1.5 billion in the UK economy.”

    I assume you mean the withdrawal of his visa? Well you lie down with dogs you get fleas. As for spending £1.5 billion in the UK economy – you’re miles out there and I don’t mean the amount. He’s made some footballers many of them foreign very rich as well as some agents etc but how many people more do Cheslea now employ than they would anyway. The money Abramovich has spent has gone into a tiny number of pockets and a lot of it overseas.

  2. Marko

    Ah net spend. The most irrelevant of stats when discussing the job Klopp is doing. You do realize that we’ll probably even out a bit this summer. Or does it only count the first summer? It’s not really important at the end of the day Klopp has spent money and was given time to get Liverpool to where they’re at. You want to get rid of Emery fair enough but the next guy is going to need time and money as well. There’s no quick fix to our problems.

  3. Words on a Blog

    Pedro: “how much financial risk are the Liverpool owners taking?”

    According to Swiss Ramble, over the period 2008-2017, Liverpool’s owner financing (injections by Liverpool owners) was £257 million and cash flow from operations was £645m.

    In Arsenal, as we all know the net injections by the owners was zero.

    So yes, like most PL owners, Fenway has taken on direct financial risk.

  4. Marc

    You measure a club on net spend as it shows the financial health / strength of the business and a manager on gross spend, this shows what’s he’s had to work with.

  5. Words on a Blog

    As I have posted many, many times, using Swiss Ramble as reference, an overwhelming majority of PL owners are prepared to inject funds and take financial risk. In fact 42% of the cash generated by PL clubs over 2008/17 was sourced from the owners and not from the clubs’ net operating cashflows.

  6. Marko

    He didnt just sell £70m of players for the fun of it.

    It was because they weren’t good enough I suppose. I’m not even going to bring up the juvenile comment about how he wasn’t able to get similar results from the likes of Skrtal or whoever.

    You know the funny thing about the whole net spend pointless argument you keep bringing up is even if the manager wasn’t Emery say it was someone you actually liked (if that manager exists) the spending would have been the same. The problem of selling the players who aren’t good enough for us would still exist. Basically our net spend would still run at 68 million.

  7. gambon

    Marko

    We’re not talking about the job Klopp is doing though are we, you seem to be having your own argument because you are so wrapped up in defending Emery at all costs. God knows why.

    We’re talking about owner financing.

    People saying Liverpool are SOOOO much better than Arsenal.

    That would be Liverpool that brought Klopp in and gave him £0 to spend in his first 2 transfer windows.

    Versus Stan, who gave Emery £65m to spend in his first window.

    Klopp earned his ability to spend huge money in 2018, by doing an excellent job in his first 2.5 years…..not because he has amazingly generous owners.

  8. Dissenter

    gambon
    “In Emerys first window, he was given a £65m budget
    In Klopps first window, he was given a £0 budget”

    Sometimes, you like trying cognitive jujitsu like you’re discussing with a bunch of kindergarten pupils
    You mean Klopp agreed to take the Liverpol job with a zero budget?
    Lets reverse it, shall we
    Had we sold Welbeck for 15 million, Ramsey for 50 million and Ospina for 3 million, would you be crediting Emery for net spend of zero?

    The failure to make these happen is not on Emery. It’s on the the chaos that Gazidis uncertainty was creating, the elevation of two newbies in Raul/Vinai along with the over-rated Sven.

  9. Words on a Blog

    Pedro,

    Liverpool, City, Bournemouth, Everton, Leicester – some of the clubs where the owners have put their hands in their pocket to fund their “visions”.

    You want special sauce?

    Where’s the fucking chilli?

  10. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    You’ve still not absorbed the idea that you don’t just get time, it’s earned through performance (which is reviewed annually in most careers).

    Klopp “got time” because after his initial warming to the league he showed promise, but he wasn’t handed a war chest, he was told to sell to buy. The next season he’d earned more leeway through his performance.

    What has Emery earned of the Arsenal board this season out of curiosity? What’s he going to say to the board?

    “Oh yea sorry fellas I know it went a bit Lisa Ann end of season there, but gimme mad cash and ill turn it round, promise. Just look at my….uhm command of the language…that’s progress right there”

  11. Dissenter

    “*Had we sold Welbeck for 18 million, Ramsey for 50 million and Ospina for 3 million, would you be crediting Emery for net spend of zero***

    We spent 68 million last summer, not 65 million

  12. Marc

    Words

    Any money put in by Fenway will be protected by guarantees on assets, for the risk to kick in the club would have to go into administration.

    They could recoup that money in an emergency by selling off some players.

  13. Dissenter

    They didn’t give him zero to spend
    They got his transfer targets and sold players that he didn’t want to fund it.

    That’s not the same as “giving him zero to spend”

  14. gambon

    “They got his transfer targets and sold players that he didn’t want to fund it.”

    Thats called a £0 budget.

  15. Receding Hairline

    “What has Emery earned of the Arsenal board this season out of curiosity? What’s he going to say to the board?”

    Maybe wait till Thursday before crowing eh…there is a possibility we will be Europa league finalists this season and maybe even winners..why not hold onto your horses a little bit

    As for what he has to show, he has a top four challenge to show for his season, i know the end of season collapse is giving you orgasms but the man did compete for a top four finish till the very end.

    Maybe, just maybe the people who pay him are okay with that. They do not see 70m spent as the end of the world.

  16. Words on a Blog

    Marc,

    Sure, the financial risk inherent in owners various forms of cash injections is usually protected in some way.

    But it is not totally protected.

    The larger point is that Fenway and other owners are prepared to take on that risk….KSE aren’t, despite having access to a much better underlying situation than most PL teams in terms of operating cashflows (match day revenues, commercial deals, TV Revenues etc.)

  17. Receding Hairline

    Okay with that in the sense that he has shown he can challenge, in his very first season, his team scored more goals than Spurs,Chelsea and Man United (i know gambon has been working overtime to tell us it’s all luck).

    I don’t know what about Klopp finishing eight his first season and sneaking into fourth by a second in his second season told you Liverpool were going to be a force, we are all smart after the fact.

  18. gambon

    Emerys end of season review

    Emery: “Good ebening. We are thinking that to be good things must have meaning and that there will be other improvement that they then can do with it, much like the looking for arrangements of what there is going to be happening”

    Raul: “Get the fuck out greaseball”

  19. Marc

    Words

    But they let the club spend a lot of money and look where it got them. If you take the supporter glasses off you can’t blame them for asking for the ship to be righted before going on another spending spree.

  20. Receding Hairline

    Or they can have their end of season review in Spanish, a language they both understand.

    Care to write it out in Spanish for us Gambon, or are you still thrilled that you as an Englishman can speak fluent English while the Spaniard can’t??

  21. Marko

    Gambon I’m not defending Emery persay I’m more arguing against the idea that sacking him will change much in all honesty. We get rid of him time and investment is still needed to fix things. I’m also arguing against this unrealistic expectation that seems to exist in the Arsenal fanbase at the moment. The business we done last summer and the squad we have right now and the expectation is what exactly? Objectively we’re more or less where we should be which is not very good. Also the whole argument of earning the right to more time that Charlie is talking about is stupid honestly. He was given a 3 year deal with the option to cancel it after two seasons which suggests that they’ve given him two seasons to earn the right to more time. Not one season.

  22. Receding Hairline

    “He was given a 3 year deal with the option to cancel it after two seasons which suggests that they’ve given him two seasons to earn the right to more time. Not one season.”

    Stop making sense. We are past that point on here

  23. Graham62

    jwl

    Barcelona had no answer to Liverpool’s intensity last night. Each and every player Klopp has playing for him is a fighter and understands the philosophy of “Never giving up”.

    We haven’t had this since the Invincibles.

    That’s the bottom line.

  24. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    I find the EL pretty immaterial in judging the landscape of the club, the FA cup has harder teams in it.

    Goes without saying it would serve as a massive shot in the arm if we are to win it, but it does nothing to convince me of the effect Emery will have on the club in our larger objectives.

    Much like Wenger winning some FA cups didn’t absolve his decline, the same will be said of Emery win or no win. The league is the bread and butter, Arsenal are not, and should not, aspire to be a fucking cup side like Sevilla.

  25. Marko

    “Oh yea sorry fellas I know it went a bit Lisa Ann end of season there, but gimme mad cash and ill turn it round, promise. Just look at my….uhm command of the language…that’s progress right there”

    The language jokes are hilarious by the way. Guy isn’t responsible for who gets bought or who gets sold by the way.

  26. Receding Hairline

    I wish i had Bamford’s patience to go through old posts and drag up certain comments

    At the start of the season it was “this is going to be a painful process” , “patience is needed”, “we can’t expect much until a proper clear out of the squad”

    Now it’s “our squad is great we only needed coaching”, “look at Klopp making his second champions league final in his fourth season”, “we have wasted a season” ..i wonder how a club who competed for a top four finish and are still one of only a handful of clubs competing in Europe wasted a season.

    We still have a very important game on Thursday yet the mood here was the season is over.

  27. CG

    Alex James

    “””””Benitez is the man we should have gone all out for. He would have made something of this sack of rubbish we currently have”””””””””

    not my personal choice to take over – but anyone comparing Rafa Benitez to our joker Emery- also do not know what they are talking about.

    2 league titles with Valencia
    Champions League Winners with Liverpool
    Champions League Finalists with some real footballing dross( Pennant etc)

    The man is a CLASS act in every aspect ( hugely popular everywhere- except Chelsea and has a wealth of experience that is probably unmatched in World Soccer. ( post Fergie/Wenger)

    If Arsenal are to continue to pursue a Spanish policy – absolutely crazy not to get him at the end of the season.
    He could be our Ranieri @ Leicester for a season or so- and lift us out of this gloom.( an experienced hand -whilst we regroup)

    I will be amazed – if he is not the Arsenal manager at some stage in his career,
    I am buying more ‘Rafa’

  28. Words on a Blog

    Marc,

    In some ways I don’t blame them. As absentee landlords they gave the keys and the chequebook to Arsene, and we are where we are now.

    My gut feel is that they are in a tight spot financially , partly because of late era Wenger mid-spending, but also partly because they’ve just shelled out a lot money (I.e. taken on,extra financial risk – taking out debt and putting in equity) to buy out Usmanovs share….

    ….so they now need to cut back significantly on the clubs spending, particularly wages, and we won’t have much of anything in terms of transfer net spend, with or without CL.

    A period of austerity is very likely.

  29. Graham62

    We have had too many i robots. Cloned with the same mentalities and physical capabilities.

    Lacazette is our only natural aggressor.

    All the others are just a bit too wishy washy.

  30. gambon

    Marko

    Well hopefully the club see sense and decide Emery doesnt know what hes doing.

    He’s had a season, and theres been no improvement.

    We should certainly expect the season to have ended better than it started. Hasnt happened, we are worse now than 12 months ago.

    I keep hearing “He needs his players”

    What for? He doesnt have a philosophy, doesnt have a style of play, doesnt have a system, cant even pick the same formation 2 games in a row.

    From what we hear in the press (may not be true) he cant seem to see beyond shit former players – Banega, NZonzi, Suarez, NKunku

  31. Marko

    Can I say that when you have to resort to a lame attempt at humour or comments on a person’s appearance or whatever then you’ve lost the argument. If the discussion is Arsenal what we need going forward and how we’re going to improve ourselves when you bring up Emery’s teeth or his shit English you are in fact not making a good point. Also if the language is a problem which it seems to be for some then you might as well discount Allegri and Jardim for example. I don’t think their English will be much better. Nagelsmann too.

  32. Receding Hairline

    “I find the EL pretty immaterial in judging the landscape of the club, the FA cup has harder teams in it.”

    Yet the FA cup qualifies you for the EL. We won two of our FA cups by beating relegated Hull and Aston Villa..brilliant Charles

    “The league is the bread and butter, Arsenal are not, and should not, aspire to be a fucking cup side like Sevilla.”

    We dropped out of all the cups bar the one which qualifies us for the champions league, we actually competed for top four finish in the league, i know you like to pretend we did not, but we had a chance to finish third up until last weekend the penultimate weekend of the season. I don’t get the Cup team reference.

  33. Marko

    Well hopefully the club see sense and decide Emery doesnt know what hes doing.

    Say they do that what do you think changes? Way I see it whoever comes next will still need major investment a squad overhaul and more than a single season.

  34. Pierre

    I think that Emery is not as stupid as he looks ( or sounds) …..or is he?

    His ramblings at post match press conferences and TV interviews is a deliberate ploy to evade the question ….gibberish I called it back in September and gibberish is still what it is.

    I believe that after 8 months of tuition his speech would be more coherent.

  35. Guns of Hackney

    Oh lighten up. Emery looks like Count Dracula. It’s not malicious, just a character observation.

    I just happen to look like gods gift the the female species and have the physical attributes of a granite superman.

    Que sera

  36. Marko

    I believe that after 8 months of tuition his speech would be more coherent.

    That’s funny considering Ozil is here nearly 6 years and still does interviews in German.

  37. Guns of Hackney

    At least five managers would have done a better job.

    Emery is a middle of the road guy.

    No pizazz.

  38. gambon

    Yes, whoever needs to come in will need to spend money, and buy good players.

    They will also need to improve the squad.

    We have just picked up 4 points from Everton, Watford, Palace, Wolves, Leicester & Brighton.

    Clearly, the quality of our players is far from the only issue.

  39. OleGunner

    I’m with Benny,

    Get a new guy in, keep the current squad with no additions and we are top 3 next season and in 2020/2021 we win the league at a canter.

    Xhaka, Mustafi, Elneny, Mikhi, Torreira, Lacazette, Auba, Guendouzi, Leno, Monreal et al have it in them to win the league with no extra help besides saucy coaching.

    Come to think of it, why should honestly spend a dime? This team has all the attributes to conquer Europe and the club world cup.

  40. salpardisenyc

    Really can’t argue with work the Fenway group has done, stellar record.

    Since taking over Red Sox in 2002 they have turned a club of perennial almosts into a winning powerhouse. The club hadn’t won a title in over 80 years, now won it 4 times since takeover. Always contending along the way.

    Same ethic and good instinct with investment has been unleashed at Liverpool, Klopp showed mettle and was rewarded very similar.

    Henry has found his Terry Francona for Liverpool in Klopp. Two clubs shadowing each other, the ruthlessness they showed Rodgers was given to Francona’s predeccsor after bottling previous season in dramatic fashion against Yankees.

    Afraid this Liverpool side helmed by Klopp are going to be around for quite a while.

    All we can hope for is Kroenke’s takes on a side we’ve not see with Arsenal and shows a ruthlessness towards current manager who will never have us competing in league. It will always be a battle for top four with the option of cup victory’s, the same dream we’ve been living for over a decade.

  41. Jamie

    Poch hid behind a translator for a year and a half at Southampton. Enough of bashing Emery for not speaking a 3rd or 4th language fluently within 8 months of arriving in a foreign country.

  42. Words on a Blog

    Having just taken a financial hit to pay Monsieur Wenger to terminate his contract and leave early and ultimately employ Senor Emery, will the cheapskate club take another hit to persuade Senor Emery and pay him to leave early as he has “underperformed” according to the good posters of Le Grove?

    How much funds will that leave Herr Special Sauce to buy new players?

    Then again, maybe he doesn’t need any money, as he’ll have prepared a dazzling and totally convincing presentation to the Board on how he’ll improve Mustafi and Xhaka and Mikki.
    Fat chance

  43. Champagne Charlie

    When does the leadership “get tough” with Emery for poor performance exactly Marko?

    You talk about time, yet Klopp took over 9 games into a league campaign. If you were a Liverpool fan you’d likely be the sort to say ‘give Brenda until the end of the season, we were a slip away..’.

    At what stage do you decide you should’ve seen improvement? End of a season isn’t right apparently, so is it two seasons? Next Jan? 9 games in like Liverpool did?

  44. CG

    Gambon
    “”””I keep hearing “He needs his players”””””

    No-coach the bloody ones you have got !
    You are a professional soccer coach. Its the basic premise of you job.

    Coach, coach , coach , coach.
    Improve , Improve. Improve, Improve.

    If you can not make our players play better against Brighton, Wolves, Leicester, Palace, saints, – we should get someone who can.

    there are lots of professional coaches out there:

    Vieria
    Howe
    Benitez
    Conte
    Campbell
    Lehmann
    Freddie L
    Dyche
    Wenger
    Simeone
    Ancelloti
    Arteta
    Lampard
    gerrard
    Sheff Utd manager.
    Even Mourinhio is out of work!

    keep it simple
    its only football!

  45. Marko

    Clearly, the quality of our players is far from the only issue.

    Pretty important one which coincides with another important issue which is investment. Far from important is the manager’s English. I personally would say that that turnover of squad and investment is the single most important issue because those things can kind of help or mask over issues with regards to the manager. You want improvement there’s your improvement. You think a Jardim or whoever comes in and improves things without investment and time? Nah. But we’ve been over it and over it. Whatever they decide to do with the manager in the summer it changes nothing we still need squad turnover and investment

  46. Words on a Blog

    Champagne,

    “Leadership” at Arsenal to cal Emery to account?

    I suspect there ain’t any.

    More seriously, given that he has a two Year extendible contract, I suspect that Judgement Day against milestones/key performance indicators will be at the end of next season

  47. GoonGoonerGone

    Klopp playing heavy metal. Our manager playing country western without figuring out the chords.

  48. gambon

    “Far from important is the manager’s English”

    You dont remember Iwobi being subbed on a few months back and having no idea where he was supposed to be playing?

    There is poor english, and then there is utter nonsense.

    I dont think anyone can make head nor tail of what Emery is saying.

  49. Champagne Charlie

    Woab

    Which is an indictment on the leadership at the club and not reflective of it being a fair or sensible approach to hiring/firing a manager.

    This talk of new players is so backwards, let’s being in a bunch of new players and then sack Emery a year later. That’ll leave the new guy with a bunch of Emery-type players and we go again.

    The idea of worrying about the manager is to get that bit in place and follow up with the rest of the cracks

  50. Receding Hairline

    “When does the leadership “get tough” with Emery for poor performance exactly Marko?”

    I know this question wasn’t directed at me but reading your post one might come to the conclusion we just came off the back of a season where we were thoroughly useless and didn’t compete for anything

    I personal feel it is important to not let you get away with this,

    You gave a manager of 20 years leeway and even made his excuses for him, but the man who replaced him and competed for a top four finish should be “treated with toughness” for poor performances…..fuck being polite, get the fuck out of here with that you hypocrite

  51. Dissenter

    Emery’s English is actually quite good for a man who barely spoke in English one year ago. His English is now as good as Pochettino’s.
    It’s always amusing when English men criticize others for their language skills.
    I mean, another way to describe a one-language speaker is to call them British.

    Does gambon and CG speak other languages?

  52. gambon

    I think there will certainly be some tough questions for Emery at the end of the season. He will probably try to lie his way out, much like he did to get the job.

    He’ll probably have a presentation ready to explain why we scored less, conceded more, less shots on goal, more shots against, lower xG, higher xGA

    Then he’ll pull out a slightly modified version of last years presentation, saying we will be protagonists, pressing, improved defence.

    Then, as Bacaryisgod said, he will be sacked 10-15 games into next season.

    Emery knows this. Hes just trying to string it out as long as possible.

    We’ve all worked with people that were out of their depth, and just said the right things to the right people for as long as possible to keep their job.

  53. Words on a Blog

    Champagne,

    I get the idea behind the manager first/players later sequencing, makes sense.

    But I worry about Raul and Josh being the ones to make the decision on any new manager, and in the short term given the lack of money around, I worry that big name managers will be put off by the absence of sizeable transfer funds, whilst up-and-comers will be worried about the lack of structures etc to buy young players.

  54. Receding Hairline

    “We’ve all worked with people that were out of their depth, and just said the right things to the right people for as long as possible to keep their job.”

    Many mangers are out of their depth if Unai Emery is out of his depth.

    I get you do not like the man but at least respect what he has achieved since becoming a manager when his coach was sacked midway through the season and he became coach leading his team to promotion.

    I suggest you go through the European managers of the year awards list, you won’t find many out of their depth there.

    If you are so sure he will be sacked 15-20 games into next season why the need for character assassination and lies??

  55. Marko

    You talk about time, yet Klopp took over 9 games into a league campaign. If you were a Liverpool fan you’d likely be the sort to say ‘give Brenda until the end of the season, we were a slip away..’.

    Ah Charles I thought you were smarter than that. If you can’t see the difference between Rodgers and what 3 seasons and Emery given one then I can’t help you. If anything that sounds more like you how many years were you judging Wenger in may and then when it came to be judged it never happened. You specifically I can’t take seriously when it comes to these types of conversations because there’s a level of dishonesty and hypocrisy. You want Arsene Wenger’s replacement judged after one season really sacked after one season but you weren’t like that under the great man.

    As for the judging of Emery again his contract is for 3 years with an option to cancel after two so that’s when you judge him and move on. In all honesty and I’m being truthful here there wasn’t a single appointment outside of Arteta doing woefully bad that I’d consider the manager after one single season. I mean who are we to give a manager any manager one single season to sort us out. We’ve been non-existent for a decade we’re past officially being shit. If we start binning managers after a single season we’re not going to improve one iota. We’ll be like Chelsea without the decent squad and serious investment

  56. CG

    In many ways Jose Mourinhio would be the perfect manger for us.
    Absentee Landlord- so no one to clash with or infighting.

    Stan lets him get on with it,
    And We see what unravels.

    It certainly wont be dull.
    could go either way,?

    maybe – that whats we need after this failed Emery Experiment??

  57. Receding Hairline

    “gambon Is there any chance of you ever getting behind a manager? If so who would that be out of interest?”

    He keeps talking about Klopp like he would have had the patience if he was a liverpool fan to see his work come to fruition. Brendan did compete for the title with Liverpool before his sacking, Klopp is only competing in his fourth season but i am led to believe he would have had patience

  58. Dissenter

    If you’re being subbed in and you still don’t know your role then it’s partly on you.
    Iwobi should have had the manager or his assistant repeat the instructions.
    That’s Iwobi stupidity for you.

    Otto Rehhagel, the German manager that famously coached the Greek team to the 2004 Euros trophy didn’t speak Greek. He had to use interpreters for the most part for media briefings, even though most of the Greek players spoke German.
    Bobby Robson didn’t speak Portuguese or Spanish when he coached on the European mainland. That’s how Mourinho came about.

    Iwobi should have asked for clarifications. Stop using that to beat up the manager.

  59. Pedro

    Benny, that take was… an interesting defence.

    Dissenter, investing in a stand isn’t really risk, is it?

  60. Dissenter

    I credit Emery for one thing though.
    He’s rekindled gambon’s interest in Arsenal. He’s made him return from his self-imposed exile.

    He cannot be that bad if that feat was achieved.

  61. Pedro

    Dissenter, Bobby Robson had Jose and Pep G running the show.

    … most of the greeks spoke German.

    If subs don’t understand instructions, that’s the managers fault. He has to mitigate that.

  62. CG

    Marko

    “”when you bring up Emery’s teeth or his shit English””

    Well either improve both aspects or don’t become The Arsenal Coach.

    I am sure he can afford a cosmetic dentist
    I am sure he can afford the best Language tutors.

    We are an Elite institution – not Billy Smart Circus!
    Off course- its important, man!

  63. Marko

    Then, as Bacaryisgod said, he will be sacked 10-15 games into next season.

    I dunno man I see a decision being made on Emery the end of next season. I doubt he’ll be sacked in the summer or midway through next season because I see there being work done on the squad which will help no ends. You mention all that xG stuff and I’m telling you right now you replace Xhaka, Mustafi and a couple others in the squad and without getting into specific players to replace him those things will improve. The only way he gets sacked midseason is if we’re doing woefully bad. That’s not going to happen if we can turnover the squad

  64. jwl

    gambon is little englander – sure Emery might have won multiple domestic and European trophies but what about his accent and teeth?

  65. azed

    “I think there will certainly be some tough questions for Emery at the end of the season. ”

    Gambon

    If we go by Guillem earlier podcast with Arseblog, Emery is far ahead of were the hierarchy expects the team to be. In that podcast, we were not expected to compete for top 4 this year.

  66. Champagne Charlie

    Oh look, the predictable ‘defer to wenger’ line of deflection. I did want a new manager, but don’t let that get in the way of a good lie.

    There’s also a difference in living in hope that a guy reproduces something he’s done previous, and for a guy to produce something for the first time in his career.

    Liverpool had more reason to keep Brenda after their stellar season they came 2nd, than anything Emery has offered. So the comparison is just, it’s about ruthlessness.

    When do Arsenal show some? Pretty widely accepted that faith in the previous manager was a poor choice come the end of his tenure, your lot now want to play that game with Emery and give it the ‘but you did with wenger’ rubbish? No hypocrisy there your end…

  67. Marko

    Gambon what happens if in the summer we turnover the squad and bring in some decent players and there’s a marketable improvement in the squad next season under Emery what then?

  68. jwl

    Graham62 – I agree about Arsenal lacking proper players since invincibles. I never understood why Wenger refused to buy athletic, physical players after we sold Vieira.

  69. GoonGoonerGone

    Ozil captain; Xhaka captain – tells you a lot about the manager’s ability.
    As an aside: Relegated Fulham have asked Wenger to manage them next season which he has turned down.
    And there I was thinking that Wenger would take this opportunity to get them, in his words, “to the next level”.
    Old git is probably praying for a recall as Arsenal manager.

  70. Dissenter

    The last quarter collapse leaves a lot of explaining for Emery to do. It;s hard to defend how we collapsed. He has to explain that to the top brass.
    My guess is that Raul knows that we have too much chaff mixed with the grain.

    How do you plan for Mustafi not to do the inexplicable mistake he made against Palace?
    I mean what defender does that? Even Senderos wouldn’t have done that,

  71. gambon

    Marko

    If we start improving Im happy with Emery.

    Im happy until the improvement stops, then its time for a new manager.

    Im not talking about finishing 5th vs finishing 6th due to a bit of luck.

    Im talking about xG rising, xGA falling, leading to more goals scored, less goals conceded, more clean sheets.

    I would still love to ask Emery why we stood still for a year.

  72. Marko

    I did want a new manager, but don’t let that get in the way of a good lie.

    Ah yes but you also made a case for keeping him on with someone else doing the transfers and seeing if that could work. We all know how vocal you were under Wenger. I’m kidding you weren’t.

    There’s also a difference in living in hope that a guy reproduces something he’s done previous, and for a guy to produce something for the first time in his career.

    Which is? This is what I’m talking about realistic expectations in the Arsenal fanbase. Whoever replaced old ballbag after the previous two seasons inside one season the expectation was something along the lines of getting back into the Champions League you’re talking about sacking someone after one season because he’s not showing that he can win the league or compete for the league?

  73. Receding Hairline

    “There’s also a difference in living in hope that a guy reproduces something he’s done previous, and for a guy to produce something for the first time in his career.”

    Which is what exactly for the first time in his career??

    Top three finish?? done three times in a row with Valenica

    League titles?? Has one with PSG ( PSG appoint managers based on ability, managers just don’t take turns from across Europe)

    He is a well decorated manager, the only one in history with three consecutive Europa/Uefa titles.

    What exactly do you want him to reproduce that is above him Charlie??

    Stop writing your arguments like we appointed some bum from the streets, we appointed a manager highly respected among his peers. He is age mates with Pochettino yet has done so much, both the highs and the lows.

  74. salpardisenyc

    John Henry a different animal to Kroenke whom seems happy to content with being top four, Emery is going to have sink out of Europa league for a stretch before they’ll take action i’d imagine.

    Its a bottom line game.

  75. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Your inability to follow a thread of a debate is your own downfall, not anyone else’s. I didn’t advocate Wenger and a change of recruitment policy as a genuine consideration, I did so to address the absurdity of your claim that it didn’t matter what manager came in to work with the players we have.

    Read slow…..

    If it didn’t matter who the manager was because the players are trash, we’d have been better off saving the severance money, spending that on players, then replacing Wenger at the end of the season.

    Get it?
    No?
    Nvm.

  76. bennydevito

    Fuck Liverpool and Fuck klopp, this is an Arsenal blog.

    We can all suck Klopp’s cock all night long but there’s no getting away from the fact that that Barcelona side Messi including is a shadow of their former self.

    Origi, Milner, Henderson may not be the Hollywood stars that Salah and Mane are but they’re no Iwobi, Xhaka or Mustafis either.

    And let’s not forget the cost of Alison and Van Dyke who were also key last night. Van Dyke alone was more than our whole budget this summer.

    A few posts ago many of the Emery critics were dismissing the notion that our squad is substandard and were all saying it is easily a top 4 squad saying it’s the 4th best in the league. You were all saying that any number of sexy sauce managers would get us in top 4 with no squad overhaul and it’s all on Emery that we’ve under achieved.

    Now the same posters are saying the squad does need an overhaul, does need the dross shipping out.

    Well which is it? Emery? Or the players?

    Whereas I have been saying it’s both; that Emery isn’t capable of taking us to where we want to be but that any new manager will need to seriously overhaul the squad before we can challenge at the top once more.

    Emery needs to go but all I’m hearing is we haven’t got much money to spend so it’s going to take years to get our squad competitive again but we need to make a start by improving on the basics.

    I’ve been watching a lot of Man City this season and I haven’t seen anyone notice what I’ve noticed and I noticed it in their match against Leicester again, just like in some of their other matches.

    When igneachio could have scored Pep went ballistic at Arteta absolutely berating him for the lack of defensive tactics. He did the same at Burnley and when they conceded from a free kick recently.

    Basically whenever City concede or nearly concede because of bad defending or players out of position Pep absolutely lets rip at Arteta which tells me that Arteta must have a much bigger role in the set up and success at City other than putting the cones out.

    It seems to me that Pep has entrusted Arteta with defensive tactics, free kicks and corners etc which is why I’ve seen him lose his shit at Arteta several times this season when it’s gone wrong.

    Before Emery was announced I wanted our defence to be sorted out first and foremost, and regardless of money it can be improved with better drilling and coaching. You can’t polish a turd granted, but you can face it in a different direction.

    Emery has done fuck all with our defence and I don’t think the players are responding at all to anything Emery is trying to instill.

    Arteta however clearly has a big role in the defensive setup at City so I for one would like to see him come in and take over from Emery and make a start at turning our defence into a much better unit especially if we’re not going to have the money to buy the VVD’s and Alisons of this world.

    I saw enough at Wolves and in our end of season capitulation to see that the players don’t respect Emery and that his coaching methods are clearly not working.

    Why persist with it?

  77. Marko

    I would still love to ask Emery why we stood still for a year.

    Well if we improve next season after a turnover in squad and investment wouldn’t it be pretty obvious why the first season went the way it did? Basically it sounds like even if he does improve you’d question the first season and basically would be waiting for the first sign of a problem and be back at it. That sounds very stressful. So basically when signs of improvement stops at Arsenal you want the manager gone. Considering the club you support expect to go through a lot of managers

  78. gambon

    benny

    The last few weeks you seem to be arguing that you dont like Emery, but also hate everyone that doesnt like Emery.

  79. Receding Hairline

    “Arteta however clearly has a big role in the defensive setup at City so I for one would like to see him come in and take over from Emery and make a start at turning our defence into a much better unit especially if we’re not going to have the money to buy the VVD’s and Alisons of this world.”

    Same City that has spent 230m pounds on their defense? What was Arteta’s role ..money transfer??

  80. gambon

    “So basically when signs of improvement stops at Arsenal you want the manager gone.”

    So whats the alternative? Settle for 6th place in perpetuity?

  81. Marko

    I did so to address the absurdity of your claim that it didn’t matter what manager came in to work with the players we have.

    I’m not talking about anything recently you’ve said you have said prior to Arsene leaving that you thought he was still capable of challenging for major honours and that maybe a change in structure and taking away transfers from him might be a way to keep him. You’ve said something along those lines a few times before. Also how is what I said absurd? There’s no way Klopp, Pep Simeone whoever comes in and improves this lot. No fucking way the only way they’d improve us is turnover of squad and replacing a core group of wank players

  82. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    Top 3 with Valencia? Is that supposed to be comparable with top 4 in the prem?

    Emery didn’t get near the top two in Spain in all his seasons there, took Simeone a season to better the best points gap Emery ever managed there, then he won the league the season after.

    Emery winning the EL three times is impressive, but doesn’t relate to an Arsenal team needing to reassert themselves domestically. He’s never shown the capability to do this, his domestic record is bang average and he has never scaled a league to the summit.

  83. Marc

    benny

    Pep having a go at Arteta because of a defensive mistake does not mean Arteta is responsible for the defensive coaching.

    It’s no difference to me turning to the guy sat next to me and shouting “what the fuck was Mustafi doing there?”

    Something that has happened on a few occasions.

  84. Marko

    So whats the alternative? Settle for 6th place in perpetuity?

    That’s one extreme. 3rd 4th would you still be sacking the manager? Are you only content with winning or does challenging count? I think in order for Arsenal football club to get to the point where you are happy or content with them that it’s going to take time and serious investment pal. That’s just a fact

  85. bennydevito

    Champagne CharlieMay 8, 2019    10:39:35

    Dissenter

    You’re full of bitchiness lately, do you have an actual point or are you just here to refutes others?

    >>>>>

    Coming from you CC this is golden.

    You spend your entire time on here arguing the toss with anyone who posts a different opinion to you.

    Pedro banned Bamford for being rude and annoying yet leaves you on here and you’re the rudest, most condescending and patronising poster of the lot. Like a dog with a bone and flies on shit you twist and spin and contradict yourself at every turn and when it gets too much for you, you start name calling and trying to be clever.

    And yes; if Benitez was as good as you say he is and Emery as bad then Newcastle and Arsenal would be in opposite places.

    Fact.

  86. Marc

    I’m actually coming round to the idea of giving Arteta the job, at least then when he doesn’t show improvement in 6 months we can sack him and never hear his name again.

  87. gambon

    Marko

    I couldnt care less about winning right now.

    As i keep saying, I care about improvement.

    Constant improvement will result in winning the PL, but for now I would be happy just to see the level of perfrmance improve.

    It hasnt, which is very worrying.

    If you cant improve a team with £65m and 1 year, can you improve a team with £130m and 2 years, or £300m and 3 years?

    Im not sure you can.

  88. Champagne Charlie

    Benny

    Keep reasserting that hot take, I’m sure there’s no loads that agree with your managerial summary there.

    Give Burnley Pep, and City Dyche and no doubt Burnley finish above City.

    I’ve no argument against that Benny. As you say, it’s “fact”.

  89. Receding Hairline

    Liverpool 1- Palace 2

    Newcastle 2- Liverpool 0

    Watford 3- Liverpool 0

    West Ham 2- Liverpool 0

    Southampton 3- Liverpool 2

    Swansea 3- Liverpool 1

    Those are some select results in Klopps first season, where he finished 8th. pretty sure Gambon would have sacked him as Liverpool actually went backwards.

  90. bennydevito

    Marc,

    Sorry but no. Go back and have a look if you can but Pep is clearly directing it at Arteta who then in turn starts shouting out at the players, I’ve seen it a few times now.

    What do you think Arteta does? Just sit there holding the clip board? He clearly had a major input, he is the assistant manager after all.

  91. Marko

    I’m not sure how someone can suggest that Arteta is responsible for Man City’s defence. They’ll have to show some evidence other than saying clearly. Like honestly he was a RM then a CAM and never anything more than average sitting at the base of a midfield protecting a defence. There’s basically nothing to suggest that he can be responsible for an improved defence. I think Man City targeting very competent and very expensive top quality Defenders goes someway to making them good defensively

  92. Marko

    If you cant improve a team with £65m and 1 year, can you improve a team with £130m and 2 years, or £300m and 3 years?Im not sure you can.

    Of course you fucking can my god. Mate if we spend 300 million in the next 3 years we’ll be flying. Irrespective of who the manager is. I say this because I assume that Edu and others won’t be abject failures.

  93. Pedro

    Marko, what position did Arsene play? At what level? Would it suggest he could ever know about attack?

    What about Jose? Did his playing career influence his managerial one?

    Shoddy logic.

  94. Pierre

    Marko
    “That’s funny considering Ozil is here nearly 6 years and still does interviews in German.”

    you need to move away from your Ozil obsession….

  95. bennydevito

    Champagne CharlieMay 8, 2019    16:07:57

    Benny

    Keep reasserting that hot take, I’m sure there’s no loads that agree with your managerial summary there.

    Give Burnley Pep, and City Dyche and no doubt Burnley finish above City.

    I’ve no argument against that Benny. As you say, it’s “fact”.

    >>>>>>

    But that’s what you’re saying CC and that’s what you’ve been saying, that we have a top 4 side and it’s because of Emery we’re underachieving. You say Benitez is a better manager than Emery but where are Newcastle in the league? We’ve also beaten Newcastle home and away this season yet Benitez is the better manager?

    And if you can’t see that I’m being just a little sarcastic and using your own logic against you then I don’t know what else to say.

  96. Marc

    So winning isn’t important, increased points tally isn’t improvement what we need is improvement, constant improvement.

    Can’t make my mind up if I’d want someone setting me KPI’s like that. On one hand it’s intangible on the other you can’t prove you’ve achieved anything.

  97. Receding Hairline

    “Emery didn’t get near the top two in Spain in all his seasons there, took Simeone a season to better the best points gap Emery ever managed there, then he won the league the season after.”

    Did Valencia under Emery have the same caliber of players as Athletico?? Valencia sold players every year as they were in deep financial mess when Emery was there, he keeping them in the top three places was seen as a minor miracle, i would say context is needed here.

    And i do not know what exactly you think is going on at Arsenal but mounting a league challenge isn’t one of our objectives, and Emery has a two year contract with an option for a third, i do not understand your raging sack him now stance towards the man, it’s irrational and silly sorry to say

  98. gambon

    Marko

    So if £300m will see us “flying” – why hasnt £65m seen is starting to take off?

    It seems Emerys fans are more than happy to keep deferring improvement into the future.

  99. HighburyLegend

    Pedro’s using liverpool’s exploit for argumenting his own point of view….
    What a surprise!! (lol)

  100. Champagne Charlie

    “Mate if we spend 300 million in the next 3 years we’ll be flying. Irrespective of who the manager is“

    Yea man, irrespective. Just ask United

  101. Receding Hairline

    “It seems Emerys fans are more than happy to keep deferring improvement into the future.”

    Because that’s how improvements tend to happen, sometimes you change one thing and everything falls into place.

    You are the one who keeps saying we need to get rid of players who playing them means we change formations endlessly to accommodate their weakness, you are the same poster saying the players do not matter, sometimes i feel i am in an ogogoro joint when i post here

  102. gambon

    Marc

    The points tally is ireelevant if it isnt backed up by performance.

    Have you not been watching Arsenal and Man Utd over the last few weeks?

    Do you even watch football?

    We are on 67 points due to the best conversion rate in PL history.

    In other words, our best performer this year has been luck.

  103. Marko

    Shoddy logic.

    Ah nice try Pedro. There’s managerial experience and evidence with regards to Jose and Arsene that shows whether or not they were influential defensively or attacking wise or anything really. When people say Mikel Arteta is responsible for the defensive performances at Man City there’s nothing no evidence nothing to show for it. Literally the only thing that you can do is look at him as a player and try to make sense of it. Hey if someone wants to provide evidence of the influence of Mikel Arteta then by all means do it

  104. Pierre

    “bennyThe last few weeks you seem to be arguing that you dont like Emery, but also hate everyone that doesnt like Emery.”

    I’ve noticed joe going down the same road …they must be a little confused bless em.

  105. Receding Hairline

    “In other words, our best performer this year has been luck.”

    Thought it had something to do with having the wonderful Auba for one full season (another 8 yard sitter missed on Sunday), so everything good we achieved was down to luck and everything bad down to the manager

    Top logic

  106. Micheal

    “Marko, what position did Arsene play? At what level? Would it suggest he could ever know about attack?”

    Since when did a manager’s position as a player have anything to do with his coaching ability ? For example, George Graham – the most defensively minded coach in Arsneal’s history was a gifted, graceful attacking midfielder-striker.

    The logic defies belief.

  107. Marko

    So if £300m will see us “flying” – why hasnt £65m seen is starting to take off?It seems Emerys fans are more than happy to keep deferring improvement into the future.

    Because it’s not just investment it’s investment and time. Common sense would say time and investment will improve us. Not little investment and no time. Again I’d be saying the same thing whoever the manager was.

  108. salpardisenyc

    “Mate if we spend 300 million in the next 3 years we’ll be flying. Irrespective of who the manager is. I say this because I assume that Edu and others won’t be abject failures.”

    This ones going into the Le Grove treasure trove alongside a few other gems.

  109. Hoksilato

    Hodgson, Brenda, Nuno, Silva, Hughton, Hasenhuttl have all done better than Rafa vs. Emery this year

  110. Marc

    gambon

    You’re so caught up in “Emery’s not good enough” that you can’t see anything else.

    Quite simply with you it’s everyone else good – Arsenal bad.

    If the Spud’s or Liverpool had our conversation rate you’d be signing about it from the roof tops.

  111. Words on a Blog

    Everyone here is busying themselves comparing Klopp to Emery.

    How about comparing Fenway to KSE?

    Nice quote from 7am Kickoff:

    “In the 9 years Fenway Sports Group took over at Liverpool, they built a team that got to the Champion’s League final by beating Barcelona 4-0. 8 years since Kroenke took over Arsenal have dropped out of the top four and are now hoping to win the Europa League to get back into the Champions League.”

  112. jwl

    “The points tally is ireelevant …”

    Only thing that matters is points and no one gives a flying fcuk about xG, gambon.

  113. Champagne Charlie

    Benny
    You’re not using my own logic against me, you’re not in fact using anyone’s logic. I’m not about to unpack why that is, your entire premise is utterly ridiculous.

    Receding
    If you want to debate it delve into the squad’s and tell me so. Emery had two bites at two different clubs. His Sevilla team won the EL thrice consecutively, how come he couldn’t muster at least a fanny flutter toward La Liga?

    Simeone took over Atletico in December 23rd and finished the season 5th. The year prior they were 7th, the year before that 9th. In his first full season he finished 3rd, the next season he won the league. That’s a pedigree showing a manager capable of upscaling a side.

  114. Marko

    Yea man, irrespective. Just ask United

    Charles I’m not sure I can keep talking to you honestly you seem more interested in being a contrarian smartass than actually adding anything to the debate. United have gone backwards because the had poor managers AND invested poorly. I’m assuming that Edu and others aren’t going to fail in that regard. If United actually signed well over the years thus masking over some poor managerial appointments they would be better off right now. That’s what they’ll be hoping for with regards to Ole that they sign up good enough players to paper over the fact that he’s not a great manager. A good squad can do that

  115. bennydevito

    gambonMay 8, 2019    15:56:52

    benny

    The last few weeks you seem to be arguing that you dont like Emery, but also hate everyone that doesnt like Emery.

    >>>>>

    gambon,

    Kind of in a way. Let me explain.

    I didn’t want Emery and was disappointed as I wanted Allegri and would have settled for Ancelotti.

    However I was prepared to give Emery the whole season and use the AKB defacto rule of judge him in may.

    I felt the criticism was very premature, unfair and hypocritical especially considering a large number of Emery outers, not you or Pedro, were AKBs who made excuses for Wenger for years and fail to acknowledge that Wenger had left our squad and our finances in a very poor state that even Jurgen Guardiola would struggle with.

    Fast forward to now and I have seen enough for me personally to warrant the calling of Emery’s departure but I still caveat that with the fact our squad is diabolical and the criticism used of Emery by some is incredibly unfair and ott.

    The derogatory xenophobic Spanish rhetoric completely unnecessary.

    To call him the worst Arsenal manager of all time completely ridiculous.

    I think he’s a good coach with a good CV and track record who had a better CV than Wenger when he took over, but unfortunately I have come to the realisation that regardless of money and the state of our squad, which a lot of the AKB hypocrites fail to admit, Emery should go this summer and we start again.

  116. Receding Hairline

    “Hodgson, Brenda, Nuno, Silva, Hughton, Hasenhuttl have all done better than Rafa vs. Emery this year”

    Will Hodgson, Brenda, Silva, Hughton and Hassenhuttl have us in the top four in the EPL this year? If Yes what makes you so sure??

    You can’t just list off managers that avoided relegation and say they have done better than another manager that avoided relegation lol

  117. Marko

    Excellent input as always Sal. You don’t think 300 million invested into this piece of shit squad would drastically improve us? No I suppose not. It’s only a manager that can do that

  118. CG

    Jose Mourinho for Arsenal..
    Jose to get the best out of Ozil for the next 2 seasons.( like Real Madrid)
    Holding, Genduzi,Bellerin, Lacazette would all learn from him

    Big improvements from Xhaka ,Sead and Mustafi… guaranteed
    Fans awaken from their slumbers.
    We would instantly become Londons biggest club again.

    Could be an inspired call…

    We need to take risks.

    Playing safe- is no longer an option….

  119. Freddie Ljungberg

    How is the 68m spend still a thing? I mean that’s how much we spent but it’s chump change ffs.

    Fulham spent more, Wolves and West Ham spent more, Brighton, Bournemouth and Everton almost spent as much, only a couple of million less.

    Chelsea and Liverpool spent almost twice as much as us each and the only reason Man U and City didn’t spend more than us net is because they have accumulated players they can actually get money for, they both outspent us and have for a long time.

    We’re never going to close the gap to the top spending like a midtable club, if this keeps up it’s top 6 we’ll be scrapping for soon, regardless of who the manager is.

  120. Receding Hairline

    “That’s a pedigree showing a manager capable of upscaling a side.”

    Like Benitez recently upscaled Napoli, Inter and Real Madrid?? I mention Benitez because you say he was your choice. Are you judging his upscaling capabilities with things he last did a decade ago?

    As for Simeone, he did a wonderful job and is rightly revered for it, what’s your point we should have got him? fair enough

  121. salpardisenyc

    Marko

    It was a pretty brash take you threw out there, flipping conversation to suit agenda and dismissing manger completely.

  122. gambon

    jwl

    Funny, because people who understand xG knew that Arsenal were struggling this season, and look what happened……we have picked up 4 points from 6 games against lower opposition.

    People who understand xG knew that OGS was struggling massively at UTD despite them winning every game, look what happened….theyre 6th.

    People who understand xG knew City were outperforming Liverpool even when they were 7 points behind them…..look what happened.

    People who understand xG knew UTD had massively over performed last season when they finished 2nd…..look what happened.

  123. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    You’ve just made a mug of yourself, i’d reel it in a touch. Literally everything I’ve written has been circumventing a pov about what/where/how Arsenal should be.

    Oh very good, United have been poor thanks to duff Managers and poor recruitment?

    So in each case would they have been better or worse off having severed ties after one season?

  124. bennydevito

    MarkoMay 8, 2019    16:30:37

    Yea man, irrespective. Just ask United

    Charles I’m not sure I can keep talking to you honestly you seem more interested in being a contrarian smartass than actually adding anything to the debate. United have gone backwards because the had poor managers AND invested poorly. I’m assuming that Edu and others aren’t going to fail in that regard. If United actually signed well over the years thus masking over some poor managerial appointments they would be better off right now. That’s what they’ll be hoping for with regards to Ole that they sign up good enough players to paper over the fact that he’s not a great manager. A good squad can do that

    >>>>>>

    Yep 100%.

    CC brings no value to this comment section other than being argument and trying to be right.

    My Man utd mate is giving up his season ticket next season as he says they’re in a right state. Wasted hundreds of millions on terrible signings, haven’t got a competent TD and the one who comes in still won’t have any say on the transfers and Woodward will still have all the power.

    The Glazer’s are still taking £100m out a season and the stadium is falling apart and they won’t even give it a lick of paint.

    They’ve got no football men running things and as long as Woodward is in charge of transfers it’s not going to get better.

    He sees both our clubs in the same position but says at least Kronke isn’t taking out £100m a season and does let us spend all of our own money.

  125. Marko

    It’s all agenda’s and the like with you Sal. I’ve not got an agenda at all my opinion on the state of Arsenal has never changed since the day Arsene announced he was leaving. I always maintained there’s no quick fix we’d be in a transitional phase and that time and investment was needed to rid the club of the stench of Arsene Wenger. He fucked us up so bad that it was going to take a while to steady the ship. And even longer if we have any ambitions of challenging for the league title.

  126. Hoksilato

    RH
    Think you misunderstood me. I was just responding to the opinion that Rafa would have undoubtedly been a better appointment than Emery. The Rafa (of 2018/19) has not shown me anything to substantiate that, even when head to head against the ‘tactically inept’ Emery.

  127. Champagne Charlie

    “Like Benitez recently upscaled Napoli, Inter and Real Madrid?? I mention Benitez because you say he was your choice“

    Did I say that? Or are you leaving out the context you were clamouring for just a couple of posts back:

    “Emery was there, he keeping them in the top three places was seen as a minor miracle, i would say context is needed here.”

    If you want to debate something, do so. I’m not interested in your snide remarks and boring put downs because you disagree.

  128. Marko

    i’d reel it in a touch.

    Classic Charlie.

    So in each case would they have been better or worse off having severed ties after one season?

    Maybe or they would have been better off signing better players. They’ve gone through enough managers so I’m not sure if going through even more in quicker succession would have been better. I mean I don’t think that they’re thinking of getting rid of Ole already instead the argument seems to be to back him in the transfer market

  129. Dissenter

    Only gambon believe that Liverpool gave Klopp no money to spend in his first season because his net spend was zero
    That’s some twisted logic there.

  130. Champagne Charlie

    Benny

    I’d worry about your own attempts at input on here before claiming any ground to judge others.

    Few absolute zingers from you as you’ve put the pom poms down for 20 mins.

  131. gambon

    Lol Dissenter

    Youre the moron that earlier said

    “Liverpool gave Klopp £70m….its just that they sold £70m of players to fund it”

    Fucking hilarious.

  132. bennydevito

    PierreMay 8, 2019    16:21:33

    “bennyThe last few weeks you seem to be arguing that you dont like Emery, but also hate everyone that doesnt like Emery.”

    I’ve noticed joe going down the same road …they must be a little confused bless em.

    >>>>>

    I’m not confused Pierre, I Just happen to have an objective opinion not steeped in agenda, hypocrisy or prejudice.

    Big difference.