Snapchatting racist abuse: A new low. A new level of dimness.

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Man, things took a turn for the worse yesterday. I have never thrown up in public (sober at least). That shame befell me on the mean streets of Soho… made worse because I was wearing my finest drug-addict athleisure (sick comfort clothes), the fancy shoppers did not view my involuntary actions with much sympathy. Worst trip to the dry cleaners ever. It happened FOUR times in the space of 50 meters. Totally soiled my new shoes as well.

But, but, but… I can see the v’s in the mirror for the first time since I was 19. Peak Freddie over here if you can handle the fragrance.

ANYWAY, enough about my problems.

Let’s talk about Arsenal’s.

How about a Snapchatter calling Koubilaly an n-word in the ground… and broadcasting it to his fans (lol, his two mates)? What in the actual fuck? In North London? At Arsenal? Are you fucking kidding me?

It’s despicable behavior. Arsenal are on it.

“We utterly condemn use of this type of racist language and have launched an investigation to identify the culprit,”

“We operate a zero tolerance approach, and anyone behaving like this is not welcome at Arsenal and will be banned from matches.

“We have an extremely diverse community of fans who are all part of the Arsenal family and such incidents are rare at Emirates Stadium. We encourage supporters to report any incidents as they happen to stewards or via our matchday alert service.”

Amen. If you watch the video, the person in question whispers the bad word, because if you shouted that in the stands you’d likely find yourself getting whacked. It wasn’t so long ago that shouting #WengerOut before the game started was a punchable offence.

Still, disappointing an Arsenal fan would stoop to that sort of shit. It brings us all down. Ban that person.

In Sporting Director news, Sky Sports are making noises that Paul Mitchell of RB Leipzig talent spotting notoriety, is interesting Arsenal. He’d be a great signing for us, he’s proved himself at Spurs and with the Germans. The only thing that worries me there is that he might have an allegiance to his old employees.

Still, we can hope until we put a deal on the table and he goes somewhere smaller.

BIG rumours that Xhaka might move to Inter Milan this summer if they don’t get Kroos or Rakitic.

I mean, I’m a bit whatever about this… he’s a good player, but ultimately, I don’t think he’s ideal for the Premier League. He’s been far better of late, but that’s because he’s improved on making a major mistake every game. We’ll see though, sounds like he’s angling for a move or a bigger contract… maybe both.

We’re being linked with Ander Herrera for £200k a week. Tidy player, but surely there are better ways to spend that sort of money?

A bit frightening to think that the team who brought you Denis Suarez are currently overseeing the summer transfer plan without a proven talent scout at the wheel. Let’s see how that pans out.

Huge game for Arsenal on Monday. Watford are going to be a handful. We need to really up our away game mentality and deliver a really top performance. They’ll come flying out the traps and we know Troy Deeney will come to bully.

Let’s see what we have for them.

P.S. Check out the new Ian Wright collab Fokohaela have pulled together.

Ian Wright just being Ian Wright on that one on the bottom. A lovely piece of clobber! (one on the top is part of the range as well)

BUY BUY BUY

See you in the comments… x

367 Responses to “Snapchatting racist abuse: A new low. A new level of dimness.”

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  1. Charlie George

    Graham.

    Good Evening.

    (I hoped you took my advice and booked some therapy: re your Wenger issues.)

    I never mentioned Emery ( today)
    Weekend off- Emery bashing …. he will self destruct himself…

    I was specific on The Europa Cup
    It’s an artificial tournament set up for second rate tin pot clubs.

    We have 4 places to get a CL spot
    If we cant get in the Top 4- we have failed.

    And we try again the following season..

    I was making the suggestion- that if we are in this monstrosity Cup- we should play our youngsters.

    At least- The club would get more long term benefit.

  2. Dissenter

    Un na
    Anyone would have United playing better than Mourhino did. All they needed were just an arm around the shoulder.
    Emery is not on the same planet as OGS
    OGS is a speculative choice, Emery is an established manager with successes and failures.

    OGS has been deploying very negative tactics with fast counters. They peaked too soon and he’s showing his true colors.

  3. Dissenter

    Rashford needed a manager to put an arm around his shoulders after Mourhino.
    That was all he was waiting for after Mourhino repeatedly beat up on his self-confidence.

  4. Graham62

    CG

    Don’t worry about me, I’m fine thanks.

    At least you are being honest on something.

    We’ve become “a second rate tin pot” team these past few years.

    I wonder why?

  5. Bamford10

    We may have spent a short period of time in the top four, but this doesn’t mean we have one of the best four squads in the PL. We don’t. We have something like the sixth best squad in the PL.

    Yes, we are good enough to possibly finish in the top four, but to do so will require some overachieving on our part and some underachieving on others’ parts.

    Also, we are in the Europa League because of Arsene Wenger, not because of Unai Emery.

  6. TR7

    Pelligrini in my book is a top class manager, his City team was sublime and irresistible. Guardiola has a better squad at his disposal but Pelligrini got them to play better football. Classy guy as well. Given a choice I would have picked Pallegrini over Emery.

  7. Dissenter

    United are disjointed with NO discernible pattern of play

    They are just living off luck and if course De Gea

    Special sauce or tepid water?

  8. Dissenter

    Fleetwood Town boss Joey Barton prevented from leaving Oakwell by police after alleged assault which left Barnsley manager Daniel Stendel with ‘blood pouring from his face

    Can’t expect a thug to suddenly change his colors so easily.

  9. Siddharth14

    I think that is our top four hopes almost gone out the window. Have to say that this has been a cracking game so far. End to end stuff.

    United’s intensity has been really good. West ham gave them a tough game.

  10. Pedro

    Graham, he has stopped the rot.

    Odd that he can change big game mentality, but struggles away from home.

    One for next season.

  11. Dissenter

    Pedro
    “Graham, he has stopped the rot.”

    Big of you to finally admit that.

    We need better personnel too, maybe you will admit that our squad isn’t top-4 quality too…some day 😊

  12. rollen

    Hope u r better Pedro.
    Sadly all kinds of disgusting posts appear on here not only not banned but those guys seems to be your new online buddies.So how about u do something about that first.

  13. Pedro

    Dissenter, within spitting distance of top 3 in April would suggest the squad has been top 4 all along… as I said.

    Can the manager unlock it, is the question we wait on.

  14. Pedro

    Rollen, if you don’t like a comment that you think is racist, e-mail me.

    I work. I don’t sit here policing the comments all day.

  15. Bamford10

    “Dissenter, within spitting distance of top 3 in April would suggest the squad has been top 4 all along …”

    No, it doesn’t. It suggests that we were playing well and getting good results given what we have personnel-wise and that others weren’t. Nothing else. You really do make some terrible arguments at times, Pedro. Just because a team finds itself in the top four at some point doesn’t mean they have a top four squad. There are other variables involved, and they could be in the top four on account of those other variables.

    United, Spurs and Chelsea all have better squads than we do. This is obvious.

  16. Un Battle Angel

    Rollen

    What happened at the Emirates NEVER happens here and you know it. Nobody ever used language like that.

    Dissenter
    Yes it’s tailed off and yes Jose has them playing badly but the turnaround was nonetheless Impressive.
    I think you’re displaying your own bias here. It all feeds back into wenger. Every position taken by some of you is calculated as a smear
    The man is gone
    Let your obsession go with him. You got what you wanted, you should be happy but you’re still marooned on an island with the man.

  17. Pedro

    ‘Just because a team finds itself in the top 4 in mid-April’ is not a good start to a nugget of insight about us not being good enough for top 4.

    It’s all about results, not your subjective amateur view of whose squad is better on paper.

  18. Guns of SF

    Pedro
    no need to get defensive. you have a large number of readers of your blog… some of us have been reading for years and there are some OG posters still on here. That says a lot.

    With that said, you open a forum to others that is also a place where the racists can come on here and spout whatever garbage. These so called keyboard warriors.

    My question is , if we email you about who they are what happens next?

    Some of us are perhaps more “appalled” than others about shit like that.
    Wish you would take a stronger stance regarding those the spout off that shit on here.

    I think you know who they are as well…..
    just my 3 cents bruh

  19. Pedro

    Guns, if I can’t see the comments, I can’t do anything about them. So e-mail me and I’ll deal with it.

  20. Radio Raheem

    Chelsea and United do not have a better squad than Arsenal’s? What are you smoking? Both squads are underperforming, that’s quite different.

  21. London gunner

    Man united are very fortunate they keep getting a touch of luck.

    West ham really threw a way point going kamikaze towards the end of the match.

    Don’t think united are good enough to get top 4. Think they will lose to city, draw vs Chelsea and lose against spurs.

    I think spurs are safe for top 3 even with a loss against city.

    I think its between us and Chelsea qe have to win against watford and they have to lose against Liverpool. As I expect us to draw in some of our away games.

  22. Un Battle Angel

    Radio

    I don’t agree
    I think koscielney and sokratis are as good as anything they have defensively.
    I think torriera is as good as anything they have defensively
    Our strikers our better than theirs
    Our gk is better than Chelsea’s
    Our attacking midfielders are better than United’s.
    We are not a one man team. We have different players popping up all the time to dominate games. Chelsea really too heavily on hazard. Kanye has been nullified by his own manager

    United have potential but not much more
    They rely too heavily on DDG and Pogba has not turned into the dominant force they’d hoped for. I actually think diaby had a higher ceiling than Pogba.

  23. Un Battle Angel

    Radio

    And you don’t think we are under performing? Ozil and aubameyang are barely there
    We have no Bellerin or holding who we’re playing key roles for us.
    Our saving grace this season has been our midfield and the efficiency at which it’s been operating. I don’t think we are maximising the potential of most of our players outside of midfield.
    I don’t think we are utilising our strikers as well as we can or they aren’t performing as well as they can and have done this season. We are too inconsistent. We are throwing away points on the road when we are beating better teams at home.

  24. Pedro

    Very much agree with Un there.

    If United are underperforming, it’s hard to fathom how people think we aren’t considering our shitty away record.

    Also, imagine how much better off we’d have been if we’d played Mesut and Ramsey more consistently this season.

  25. Words on a Blog

    Un,

    “Kanye has been nullified by his own agent.”

    I disagree.

    Kanye has been nullified by his own ego, and by Kim Kardashian.

  26. HillWood

    Unless there’s a remarkable turnaround in our away form I can’t see us picking up more than 4 points from our 3 away matches

  27. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    You’ve got to be kidding if you think the current arsenal squad is better than Chelsea’s, Spurs’ and man utd’ s.

    It really isn’t.

    If Emery manages to get us top four, that will be a massive achievement for a first season.

    Personally, I think we will fall short.
    If the club has any genuine ambition it will make a serious investment in players this summer.

    And I mean in players, not in a new head of fruit juice.

    If the club spins poverty and project youth we have finally and unquestionably become a second tier club.

  28. Un Battle Angel

    Words
    Haha. I knew someone was going to crack onto that. Any typos on here and the vultures swoop….

    Kanye has been nullified through being set up by Hollywood and drugged for his dangerous outlandish views. 😂😂

  29. Un Battle Angel

    Henry

    Who gets into our side and improves it from the Man U and chav squads then?
    It’s all well and good just decking you’re right and that’s the end of it but you aren’t even attempting to make a case to illustrate your point.

  30. Bamford10

    Pedro

    “an insight about us not being good enough for top four”

    Except I am not arguing that we’re not good enough to finish top four. Having one of the four best squads in the league and being capable of finishing top four are two entirely different things. Why do you keep trying to conflate the two?

  31. Words on a Blog

    Un,

    Yeah, I operate a Zero Tolerance approach to typos…..excluding my own, of course. always give those ones the benefit of the doubt.
    .

  32. Pedro

    Alex, fine margins however you cut it.

    The table doesn’t lie.

    Our fans have underestimated our squad, and we’re competing at the tail end of the season. So it doesn’t matter what your subjective view is on the squad, the reality is that it’s good enough.

    Sure, we need investments. No doubt. But we have enough to make top 4. We really shouldn’t be blowing it with our run in.

  33. SpainishDave

    It always amazes me that we speak about the clubs finances when one of the worlds riches men owns the club.
    Unlike the other rich owners he doesn’t invest his money in the club.
    We will never climb higher until he puts cash in.
    We simply cannot catch up.

  34. Pedro

    Bamford, because you’re talking subjectively.

    I’m talking about reality. It doesn’t matter what your opinion on the squad is. The reality is it’s always been good enough and the table show that my view on that is correct.

    Big win on Monday and we’re well on our way.

  35. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    I disagree.
    Man utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Man city and Liverpool have stronger squads than us.

    We’ll just agree to disagree then.

  36. Marc

    “If the club spins poverty and project youth we have finally and unquestionably become a second tier club.”

    3rd highest net spenders the last 5 seasons and with the Spud’s putting 12 first team squad players up for sale to pay off this years stadium debt interest, Chelsea about to get hit by a transfer ban and an owner who isn’t’ allowed into the country on business – I think we might be OK.

    Fuck off with your anti Kroenke spin until they’ve done something other than being hands off or extending Wenger’s contract.

  37. Un Battle Angel

    Bamford
    The two aren’t entirely different things. They are closely associated. Normally the best 4 squads hit top 4. To buck the trend is anomalous.
    It’s funny because I’m the summer many on here we’re saying just that and that our squad was the 6th best and that the table doesn’t lie and Yada Yada Yada

    So why the sudden 180 in rhetoric now?

  38. Words on a Blog

    Pedro,

    The truth is, ranking squads is a hyper subjective exercise, and the Chelsea, ManU, Spurs and Arsenal squads all have deficiencies and gaps in different areas.

    At how we look formidable.

    Away, generally insipid.

    All four teams competing for 3rd and 4th place will drop points.

    If Emery sorts out the away game conundrum, he’ll have my support for next year.

    Will he have yours?

  39. vickingz

    I think arsenal should go after west ham’s antonio. A powerful striker and not the light weighted auba

  40. Marc

    vickingz

    “I think arsenal should go after west ham’s antonio. A powerful striker and not the light weighted auba”

    You are either a child, a moron or a child moron.

    Auba (appearances 31, subs 6) – 17 league goals
    Antonio (appearances 29, 10 subs) – 4 league goals

    Of course it is possible that Antonio could score 14 goals if he made 2 more starts but I think that’s unlikely.

  41. Bamford10

    Pedro

    “you’re talking subjectively”

    No, actually, I’m not. The quality of this or that squad is an objective fact, even if you and I happen to have different (subjective) opinions on the quality of this or that squad.

    You are, again, conflating two entirely different things.

    Our squad is not as good as Chelsea’s, United’s or Spurs’, and anyone who says it is is saying so either because he is biased towards Arsenal or because he has an agenda.

    And again, admitting that we are not as good as our rivals is not the same thing as saying we have no chance of finishing top four. We most definitely have a chance of finishing top four. However, if we do so, we will have over-achieved, and some of our rivals will have under-achieved.

  42. rollen

    Pedro i don’t have time to police blogs just last week was big drama on here and cutter advising ppl how to force u to police ur own blog through your LinkedIn lol. nvm i don’t really care but its weird for me.

  43. Un Battle Angel

    Bamford
    Why don’t you try to back up your assertion then? Just because you’re saying it is doesn’t mean it is. What evidence do you have that this squad is worse? We have beaten those teams and currently sit above them while under performing ourselves

  44. Marc

    Pedro

    That’s strange because I only drink stuff that is heavy on the carbon footprint, has seen a few dozen’s cries of agony tear down creation and then butchered several vegans along the way.

    Peroni do make a gluten free version now – would that do?

  45. Champagne Charlie

    “The quality of this or that squad is an objective fact, even if you and I happen to have different (subjective) opinions on the quality of this or that squad.“

    What metrics are used to measure squad quality exactly? It’s a subjective argument because the footballing nuance is abundant.

  46. Alexanderhenry

    Marc

    ‘Fuck off with your anti Kroenke spin until they’ve done something other than being hands off or extending Wenger’s contract.’

    ‘They’ have done nothing positive at Arsenal since they got involved back in 2007.
    We’ve gone from top two to top six in 10 years.

    Maybe you should fuck off with your hopelessly deluded belief that ‘we might be ok’.

  47. London gunner

    Bamford

    Pedro has an agenda against emery. He wants to claim that united chelsea and spurs dont have better teams (they clearly do) because if Arsenal don’t hit a top spot he can then go and claim Emery underachieved.

    The anti Emery lot are incredibly obvious.

  48. Marc

    “We’ve gone from top two to top six in 10 years. ”

    No we haven’t we’ve finished in the top 2 once since 04-05 when Leicester won the league.

    The only thing the Kroenke’s have done wrong is let Wenger continue for so long.

    I’ve never said they are great owner’s but all of our issues have nothing to do with them not allowing us to spend what we have. Something that you continue to perpetuate.

  49. Marc

    David

    I have no issue debating things the Kroenke’s should’ve done or have done wrong, Alexanderhenry has run the same line for ages now that they stop us spending any money when that is a lie.

  50. Graham62

    “We’ve gone from top two to top six in ten years” and that’s the reality of the situation.

    Whatever way some would like to spin things, that’s called regression where I come from.

    Win at Watford and we’re still in the mix for top 4. Lose and it’s going to be tough to qualify.

    It could be worse, we could be twelve points adrift and drifting aimlessly along.

    Believe me folks, that would have been the reality.

  51. ddkingz

    I can’t see arsenal getting above a point against Watford…. it just can’t happen, I don’t even have any enthusiasm about that match… I just have this feeling that Everton loss would hunt emery in in his dreams….

    why the hell did he put such a miserable line-up against, when we had four days to rest against Napoli…

    started lacazette against everton, when he knew lacazettes away goal drought is as bad as arsenal away form….

    now we are making 2 travel’s in the space of 4 days… would have been better to beat Everton and fight for a draw against Watford, or risk playing the elnenys of this world against them…

    # resting players against a Napoli side who could not even beat Genoa in Naples even when Genoa played over 60mins of the match with a red card.

    what a shame.

  52. Marc

    ddkingz

    Your comment is either misguided or wrong on many levels.

    “I just have this feeling that Everton loss would hunt emery in in his dreams….”

    The guy is a professional he might not be happy about it but he’ll get over it.

    “why the hell did he put such a miserable line-up against, when we had four days to rest against Napoli… ”

    You need to be more specific – we had injuries and suspensions.

    “started lacazette against everton, when he knew lacazettes away goal drought is as bad as arsenal away form….”

    Who would you have started instead?

    “# resting players against a Napoli side who could not even beat Genoa in Naples even when Genoa played over 60mins of the match with a red card.”

    You are contradicting yourself – we either can handle away matches or we can’t.

  53. Graham62

    Actually if you look at the bigger picture, we’ve gone from being #2 in Europe in 2006, to # ? in 2018.

    What do you think?

  54. Marc

    Graham

    I think we built a new stadium that put a huge drain on resources and then let a manager who was past it spend money really badly after us not having any for years.

  55. Alexanderhenry

    Marc

    Yes, I have been running the same line.

    Arsenal have deteriorated under kroenke and will continue to do so.

    .. And Xhaka has a good shot.

  56. TR7

    I think we have the fourth best squad in the league. Spurs have a smaller squad than us but they have a quality starting 11, Pool and City have both better squads and starting 11s.

    Our midfield options are better than that of Chelsea and United. Ozil, Ramsey and Torreira are good players. Xhaka has done well this season. Guendouzi has regressed a bit in last few weeks but he has the tools to become a quality player. United are heavily reliant on Pogba and even he is very inconsistent. Others are rank average. If we talk about Chelsea, Kovacic and Jorginho are average players, Kante is the only quality midfielder they have in their team.

    If we talk about forward players, we are ahead by some distance of vis a vis Chelsea. Laca, PEA, Mikhi are all good players albeit inconsistent. Chelsea have to rely on a past his sell by date Higuain. United with Martial, Rashford and Lukaku are at par with us.

    In defense, Bellerin and Monreal > Young and Valencia.

    Holding, Sokratis, Kosscielney are not worse than any center back than those in United and Chelsea. Koss when fully fit is a top class center back.

    Leno is better than Ariabalaga . He is not a great shot stopper like De Gea but his ability with the ball and his distribution quality is superb.

    So all in all, I don’t buy the theory that we will be overachieving if we finish top 4. We should be finishing top 4 with the squad we have at our disposal.

  57. Un Battle Angel

    Tr7

    Perfectly summed up us usual. Nobody who refutes it seems capable of mustering a comparative summary of the 3-4 squads.

  58. Marc

    Alexander

    “.. And Xhaka has a good shot.”

    I’ll tell you what – I don’t agree but if you are right and he starts using it to score goals I’ll buy you a beer.

    If he truly has a good shot he’ll score double figures in the league this season and I’ll buy you 2.

    Of course you could just admit he can hit the ball hard and fuck knows where it’s going to end up.

  59. London gunner

    Tr7

    No one buys your shtick mate ypu have got a rabid anto emery agenda, you aren’t rational or logical but blinded by bias.

    Chelsea have a beastly squad sarri just can’t get the best out of him.

  60. London gunner

    Tr7

    No one buys your shtick mate ypu have got a rabid anto emery agenda, you aren’t rational or logical but blinded by bias.

    Chelsea have a beastly squad sarri just can’t get the best out of them.

  61. London gunner

    Chelsea have Hazard, WC striker higuain, Willian, Kante, jorginho is epic Sarri just can’t play him well. They even have amazing fullbacks.

  62. Pedro

    Amen TR7, how anyone can talk up Chelsea’s squad when they haven’t had a striker all season is beyond me.

    They finished 5th last year and have looked that good this year.

  63. Marko

    Arsenal have deteriorated under kroenke and will continue to do so… And Xhaka has a good shot.

    Gotta give Alex credit he sticks to his guns no matter what.

    As for the squad stuff I can only assume that Arsenal fans are idiots at this stage. We’ve by far the worst squad of the top 6. Totally unbalanced starting 11, poor defenders, midfield that still needs work and literally no wingers in the squad. We have zero speed merchants who can dribble past players and consistently score that’s zero while Chelsea have Hazard and Willian and now Hudson Odoi United have Lingaard Martial and Rashford City have 4/5 worldies and Spurs have Son and Moura. We’ve got shit number 10’s out our ass. The only area that we’re strong in is CF and that’s it

  64. TR7

    LG, no I don’t have any agenda against Emery, I merely have a subjective opinion of him like anyone else on here. Similarly, I have an opinion on the quality of our squad like you do.

    If you really think we have the 6th best squad in the league after adding 5 new players in the summer,then I guess you believe Wenger did reasonably well last season finishing 6th without these 5 additions and perhaps over achieved finishing 5th the season before that. In that case the only problem with Wenger would be betting on wrong players rather than tactics, squad management, mental strength or lack of it, defensive preparedness and plethora of other deficiencies that have been discussed on numerous occasions, right LG ?

  65. Un Battle Angel

    If it weren’t for de gea they’d be in trouble.

    Same with Chelsea and hazard
    There is no one single player who would have such a catastrophic effect if we’d lose him through injury. I’d say koscielney is the player we would miss the most

  66. TR7

    ‘World class’ Higuain is on record saying he has found it difficult to adapt to the EPL. Don’t get me started on Jorginho. Nobody is going to give him the luxury of zero pressing and acres of space to make exquisite passes. Epl defenders and midfielders figured out his weakness within a month.

  67. Marko

    If you really think we have the 6th best squad in the league after adding 5 new players in the summer,then I guess you believe Wenger did reasonably well last season finishing 6th without these 5 additions and perhaps over achieved finishing 5th the season before that.

    I know in your mind that probably made sense but honestly it sounds ridiculous. First off just adding 5 players doesn’t exactly improve you no matter what. You’re talking about a squad that needed significant work and I mean serious work because the previous manager went years without addressing key areas such as keeper DM defence and wing options. New management comes in and gets a new keeper a DM and a 15 million CB and 34 year old back up RB that is only barely addressing an imperfect squad. By all means if you think that now gives us one of the best squads in the league that is your opinion and you’re entitled to it but just know that your wrong. You know how I know that your wrong? Because we still struggle defensively, we still have issues in midfield we never seem to be totally in control and give up chances easily and dispite our goal tally there is a problem still in our attack. Outside of two players we’ve not enough creativity and goals from our other attackers

  68. Charlie George

    Marko.

    I have come to the conclusion- you have not got the foggiest what you are talking about.

    What you have just posted is bunkum and sheer balderdash…

    DD kingz – is correct ( not for the first time- in recent weeks)
    We have moved from 3rd to 6th in a space of a week- because Unai – selected the wrong team.- we should have gone all out and attacked Everton.
    Instead Unai as always- tried to over complicate matters.

    That’s all.
    Keep it simple. It’s only football!

  69. TR7

    Marko

    ‘First off just adding 5 players doesn’t exactly improve you no matter what’

    How can a team which buys 5 new players and then 4 of them go on to cement their places in the starting 11 not improve ?

    ‘Because we still struggle defensively, we still have issues in midfield we never seem to be totally in control and give up chances easily and dispite our goal tally there is a problem still in our attack. ‘

    Again I am.not saying we have addressed our squad issues totally. One has to be deluded to believe we don’t have more work to do. The question is whether our squad is better than that of United and Chelsea. On paper we definitely look better. De Gea and Hazard have been saviors of United and Chelsea respectively, otherwise we would have been at least 10 points ahead of them. Of course better team selection and tactics from Emery would have helped but let’s keep that aside for the moment.

  70. Charlie George

    Another bizarre stat.
    Chelsea shipped in 10 goals in 2 successive away fixtures and yet they still have let 6 less goals than us..

    Emery is certainly no George Graham in the defensive coaching stakes…that’s for sure….

  71. Redtruth

    The team.needs a major overhaul as most of our players individually are poor.
    Emery needs in the region of 5 major signings to maximize his management skills.

  72. Charlie George

    As if 5 major players aspire to play for him???

    Top players are not attracted by Emerys’coaching ability.

    Emery is petrified of top players!!!
    Ramsey
    Ozil
    Neymar
    Alves.

    He prefers workmanlike plodders.
    His history shows us that.

  73. Marko

    How can a team which buys 5 new players and then 4 of them go on to cement their places in the starting 11 not improve ?

    Cement? Way I see it Guendouzi is a squad player and we’ve seen Torreira in and out of the starting 11 quite a bit. I’d argue 3. Again just adding players doesn’t necessarily improve the team and certainly it isn’t enough to all of a sudden have a better squad than some of your rivals. We’ve basically only recently mind you replaced Mustafi for example with Sokratis. That’s hardly vastly improving such a problem area.

    The question is whether our squad is better than that of United and Chelsea. On paper we definitely look better.

    On paper it’s subjective and frankly that’s a no

    Of course better team selection and tactics from Emery would have helped but let’s keep that aside for the moment

    Sure. I mean there’s only so much you can do with a poor squad though. But again this is lost on someone who thinks that it is in fact a top 3/4 squad that we have. We don’t

  74. Un Battle Angel

    Marko

    all you’ve done is just name a couple of problems with our squad
    But guess what? Chelsea and untied have them too, far worse ones than us. Yes we need this and we need that. Everyone needs to improve their squad. Chelsea are dog shit and United would be in a world of troubles without ddg. Other than him they are poor.

  75. Marc

    “Emery is petrified of top players!!! Ramsey Ozil Neymar Alves.”

    Do me a favour, Ramsey good player never proved himself to be anything more, Ozil top player then why did Madrid sell him?, Neymar major pain in the arse, Alves err was 34 and on a pay check.

    This commentary on Emery is ridiculous.

  76. Marko

    Ask yourself realistically are there any Arsenal players who’d make the Chelsea or United starting 11’s (forget the other 3 it’s a non starter). Back 4? Maybe Monreal and that’s it even though it’s worth noting that he’s very much on the downward slide these days. Midfield I personally think that recent performances by Ramsey and a slight improvement by Xhaka this season doesn’t make one forget the previous two seasons performances and compared to the likes of Kante and Pogba and Matic I wouldn’t think so but maybe Torreira depending on the formation. For example would Kante and Matic and Pogba start for us? Absolutely. The attack is no question I think one of Aubameyang or Lacazette would start for Chelsea or United but that’s it. Ozil, Mhiki, Iwobi and Suarez wouldn’t get a sniff at United or Chelsea

  77. Pedro

    Ramsey, Ozil, Leno, Bellerin, LT, Auba / Laca would all be making it into United / CFC.

    Not every game, but all top players that would be playing lots of games for those two clubs.

    Giroud is playing for CFC ffs

  78. Marc

    Can someone tell who these 4 new signings are who have made themselves “cement”.

    I would like to emphasize that cement means being first choice when everyone else is fit against the hardest opponents you could face.

  79. Jamie

    “How can a team which buys 5 new players and then 4 of them go on to cement their places in the starting 11 not improve [us]?”

    Is this a joke, friend? It depends on the players, right?

    2011 trolley-dash next level is the next level signings

    Gervinho
    Artetasauce
    Per
    Santos
    Ox
    Park
    Joel Campbell
    Jenko

    The first 4 ‘cemented’ their place in the starting 11 until even Wenger realised they were garbage. None of them improved us. Just adding players doesn’t necessarily improve a squad.

    Chelsea have plenty of talent on the books who could replace any one of our starting 11 in their respective positions. Hazard, Willian, Kante, Jorginho, Alonso, Azpilicuerta. And their 2nd string has enough to unseat some of ours too. A better head coach and they’re easy top 3. They need a striker, though, no doubt.

    It’s a toss-up between us and Utd on who has the worse squad, in my view. Hard to argue many players from either squad would improve the other. De Gea, Martial and Rashford in one direction, Auba, Kos, Papa in the other direction?

  80. Charlie George

    Marc
    Fair observation.

    I used the wrong word.
    Replace ‘ top ‘ with high profile.

    Emery is not comfortable being surrounded with high profile players.

    That’s just his personality.

    He lacks an aura- which really successful invariably have.
    Eg.
    George Graham
    Wenger
    Klopp
    Pep
    Fergie
    Mourinho
    Obama
    Bill clinton
    Nelson Mandela
    have.

  81. Marko

    Chelsea and untied have them too, far worse ones than us.

    Way I see it Chelsea need a striker in attack compared to us needing at least 2-3 widemen or CAM’s. They could probably do with a fullback and I’m sure they’ll piss away big money on a CB. I actually don’t know why I’m even talking about it it’s unquestionable the squad work that needed to be done since Wenger and the way I see it we’ve only properly addressed the keeper situation and finally added a ball winner to midfield

  82. Pedro

    Jamie, are you really arguing that the 5 players we signed have not improved us… or are the people running off on a semantics drive to prove that you can sign 5 players and get worse?

  83. Un Battle Angel

    Marko

    Earlier this season you were arguing the total opposite point
    That the table doesn’t lie. Those were your words.

    Now you’re arguing the opposite to aid you in your pursuit of what? To prove how great emery is? How shit Wenger is?
    What a spin merchant

  84. Marko

    LT, MG, LENO, SOKRATIS… all massively impressive this season.

    Torreira has had consistency issues (to be expected) Guendouzi is a squad player and nothing more, Sokratis is by no means great it’s not enough to be slightly better than Mustafi but I’ll admit that Leno has been a success so far. None of that is remotely enough. Even with those players added you’re still talking about a squad that is in dire need of better CB’s some fullbacks a replacement for Elneny and Ramsey leaving and a couple of wingers.

  85. Marc

    Pedro

    Come on mate.

    I really like Leno and think he’s been a good signing but De Gea is the best keeper in the league. Chelsea spent £70 odd million on a keeper so if Leno is better then the senior management deserve some credit.

    If Bellerin is so good then Emery deserves a bit of leeway because he lost him in early Jan.

    If Ramsey is that good then why weren’t Utd and Chelsea in for him?

    The others are good players but Chelsea and ManU have mega money – haven’t you been told so then why didn’t they buy them?

    “Not every game, but all top players that would be playing lots of games for those two clubs.”

    = squad players.

  86. Pedro

    Marko, they improved us.

    Doesn’t matter if you think MG is a squad player, he’s been a brilliant addition and he’s improved us.

    The only dud has been the right back, but he was never meant to be a first teamer. He was there for experience and grit.

    5 signings made us better. TR7 was right. It’s not a debate.

  87. ddkingz

    fact::: — in my lifetime till now, I’ve come to realized arsenal fans are the most foolish of all sporting fanbase on planet earth…

    how the hell does 5 players improve a dead team left by dead Wenger….

    toreira… just came from another league, and wasn’t a world beater until he arrived at arsenal… who could swear on here, that he knew torreira before arsenal started bidding for him.

    Leno… definitely an upgrade to our previous past 3 first choice gk.

    Socrates… a good defender but not elite by any stretch.

    guendozi… it’s a shame a teenager from ligue 2 in france came to AFC and instantly got integrated into the first 11 unchallenged.

    litch… I don’t want to even talk about this signing, because I’m already fed up.

    stats/fact::: it’s only arsenal that has a complete squad without a winger in the EPL.

  88. Pedro

    Marc, De Gea isn’t the best in the league. He has moments of greatness, but he’s made a lot of errors this season.

  89. Jamie

    Pete –

    Words matter so, in part, yes I’m arguing semantics. A blanket statement made about how 5 players improve a squad needs to be qualified, no? That’s what I feel I did after the quote.

    I also agree that some of our signings have improved us. Hard to argue that Papa, Leno, and Torr haven’t improved us. Lich has been a bust, and the jury is still out on Guendouzi for me.

  90. London gunner

    Pedro/TR7/UN

    You are good lads, but incredibly biased and bipartisan so you refuse to aknowledge reality.

    Let’s be honest we have the 5th best squad with some major defencies.

    Pretty shite cb for most of the season, no wingers and no decent or consistent CAM’s.

    If Emery finishes 4th this season that’s an A star job especially as this is first season in the most competitive season in decades in the most competitive major league.

  91. TR7

    Marko

    The way I see it Leno is the 3rd best GK in the league behind Ederson and DDG. If he improves his ability to handle crosses in to the box (the only glaring weakness in his game), he will be a real elite GK.

    Torreira has made more of an impression in his first season than much heralded Keita. Not saying he is necessarily better but despite him being in and out of the side, he has made an impact.

    Mustafi is so fucking bad that he makes an average Sokratis look like a worldie in comparison. So again Sokratis is not the quality of defender we should aspire to have in our team but he has been useful.

    Guendouzi squad player ? We will see but he again has had a few very good games and a few good to average. I mean overall 6.5 out of 10 at the very least. Licht was a waste of a signing.

    Not to mention, Ramsey has had a great season so far. I am not his fan but he has been superb off late. Xhaka was.wank.last season but he has been decent this season. Holding was great until he suffered an injury. Bellerin too. So we have improved not only by acquiring new players but some of the existing players have also improved from last season. So yes top 4 should be secured considering all.the factors. United had a lot of instability too, sacking of a manager mid season.

  92. Pedro

    Jamie, in both the 2011 example you gave and this season, additional players have improved us. It is very rare in elite football that hiring in new talent impacts a club adversely.

    Licht might have been a bust on the pitch, but you don’t know what his impact was behind the scenes… maybe he’s given us more belief in the bigger games.

  93. Charlie George

    Marc

    If you come with the words beseeching:

    ” Come on Mate”

    apart from being reprimanded for being a prize Wally.

    You have lost The Debate

    Pedro &Un 1 Marc 0

  94. Jamie

    “… and that example you used.We finished with more points that season and one place higher in 3rd”

    Wait a minute.. Are you suggesting that those players improved us because we finished 3rd that season? Say it ain’t so! That season was about as embarrassing as it got under Wenger.

  95. London gunner

    Of course our squad has improved with signings.

    But so did liverpool, chelsea. As for spurs they have such an amazing first 11 so that even with our additions and the lack of theirs they still have a superior squad.

  96. Marc

    CG

    I need to break your comment into 2 pieces

    “Emery is not comfortable being surrounded with high profile players.” I think Emery has an issue with ego’s and wants players who will fight for the cause hence the Ozil situation.

    People who are successful? OK some of your list are but the following?

    “Obama
    Bill Clinton”

    What does Bill Clinton get? An award for services to dry cleaning? Fully responsible for the financial crash.
    Obama? Really thought he was going to be my / our generations Kennedy – what a damp squib. Was so bad he managed to be the major factor in Trump getting elected.

  97. TR7

    Jamie

    ‘The first 4 ‘cemented’ their place in the starting 11 until even Wenger realised they were garbage. None of them improved us. Just adding players doesn’t necessarily improve a squad.’

    We lost Cesc and Nasri , two top players in that summer and that’s why we didn’t improve despite adding 6-7 players. This season we added 5 players without losing any quality player.

  98. Jamie

    I’ve had too many IPAs. Forgive me, Peter. This one seems like a bit or a reach:

    “maybe he’s given us more belief in the bigger games.” re: Lich.

    At 80k a week, seems expensive for maybes.

  99. Un Battle Angel

    LG

    I agree we need to sign a dominant centre half. A leader. Someone Campbell-esque. I do think holding was brilliant in the first 3rd if our season and koscielney has held it together for us. Sokratis has improved and so has Leno.
    I’m not blind though. I know we need additions. I just don’t think we are behind Chelsea and United
    Only de gea, kante and hazard get into our team without question from those two squads.

    De gea, keppa or leno?

    Bellerin, Cesar or Valencia?

    Our centre halves are just as good as theirs, better than united’s
    Our left wing hack has more assists than any defence in the league this season
    Our midfield is superior
    Our att king midfield is superior to united’s
    Our strikers are better than both.

    We have the best squad.

  100. Marc

    CG

    “You have lost The Debate ”

    I lose the debate when someone makes a point that undoes my argument, you didn’t.

    Being polite to Pedro does not do that. He’s man enough to tell me when he’s not happy with my comments.

  101. Marko

    That the table doesn’t lie. Those were your words. Now you’re arguing the opposite to aid you in your pursuit of what?

    Right you see us we’re currently 6th now. We’re not 3rd or 4th we’re 6th battling for 3rd/4th. If we finish 6th that would be reasonable giving the previous two seasons. If we finshed 3rd or 4th that would be considered a brilliant season we’d be overachieving it wouldn’t be expected.

  102. Charlie George

    Marc

    “Come on mate”

    I was focusing on aura.
    Or charisma.

    I know you didn’t rate Wenger. And quite rightly you wanted him to leave seasons ago.
    But you are defending the indefendable in backing Emery.

    He is not good enough. ( For Arsenal)
    Not now
    Not tomorrow
    Not next season
    Never.

    Face reality…

  103. Marko

    5 signings made us better. TR7 was right. It’s not a debate.

    I believe the debate is that it’s made us better to the point that we’ve got the 3/4 best squad and it’s clearly better than United and Chelsea and that’s an emphatic no from me. If you’re someone who thinks Leno Torreira and Sokratis makes us better than United and Chelsea then you are wrong

  104. Marc

    Wow for the first time in ages we have an interesting conversation going on.

    Un’s talking about player X vs. Y etc this is what we should see more of.

    Un – Not sure I’d say we have the better squad but to many on here spend so much time writing off our players and overrating other teams, I’d much rather talk about who we all rate and don’t.

  105. Un Battle Angel

    Marko

    With a game in hand. But fine let’s just go along with that argument. We are 6th
    But if we finish fourth or third does the table lie?
    Either way it doesn’t really matter. If we finish top four I’ll be happy whatever yours or anyone else’s assessment of our squad is
    Sometimes it’s just arguing for the sake of it here.
    Chelsea and United have poor midfield
    Poor attack
    Poor defence
    We are superior in those departments at a minimum

  106. Marko

    I will admit Emery doesn’t have the Aura of Mandela or Obama. But if you logically think about that with even the slightest bit of thought you’ll realize that’s stupid and irrelevant

  107. Marc

    CG

    “I know you didn’t rate Wenger. ”

    I think Wenger was a legend for us who stayed on too long. I’ve said repeatedly that whilst most split Wenger’s reign into 2 periods I think that’s not fair – it should be 3. There was the first successful period, the stadium transition period where he did a great job and then the aftermath where he lost the plot.

    Emery is about righting a sinking ship. I’d love to know who you think can take us from drowning to winning the PL in a single season?

  108. Marko

    But if we finish fourth or third does the table lie?

    Right so considering that it is a team that by and large has finished 5th and 6th the last two seasons if it were to finish 5/6th again it would be expected if we finish 3/4th it will be overachieving. You see the difference. Unless you think that the previous two seasons were flukes

  109. TR7

    Marko

    How many Chelsea players walk in to our starting 11 ? Hazard, Kante, Cesar for sure and Willian if you really stretch it. How many of our players walk in to Chelsea starting 11 ? Leno, Kosscielney, Torreira, Lacazzete and PEA for sure, Monreal too probably.

    United ? Martial, Pogba and may be DDG (Leno suits our style better). Except these 3 players, our players are either as good or better than what United have. You seem to.over rate Matic.

  110. Un Battle Angel

    If you told me we were swapping
    Aubameyang lacazette ozil Ramsey and Mkhitaryan for Giroud higuain hazard Willian or lukaku Rashford martial Sanchez I’d say no

    Only city and Liverpool (barley) have more goals than us. We have beaten all of our rivals and should have taken victory over Liverpool as opposed to a 1-1 draw. You can’t be that consistent against the top teams in your league if your squad is not at the very least equal in quality

  111. Charlie George

    Marko
    “I will admit Emery doesn’t have the Aura of Mandela or Obama. But if you logically think about that with even the slightest bit of thought you’ll realize that’s stupid and irrelevant”

    I was right earlier.
    You do not know what you are talking about.

    We are Arsenal not Watford
    Off course it matters.
    You can argue -It matters more than even the results.

    You obviously- have no idea- the history of the club

    I suggest you go to bed.

  112. ddkingz

    Pedro…. sorry to say, but are you this deluded, or naive or just biased….

    Pedro… just a question for you to answer…. is arsenal going to make it to the semi’s of the UCL with this kind of squad???

    with a 19yr in mildfield, winger an out and out winger, with mustafi as a backup defender…

    take a good look at fucking arsenal…

    Leno.. not a consistent representative at the national level…

    koscielny… no.longer rep. his country.

    Monreal…. I could probably count on one hand how many caps he had with spain, if he had any.

    belerin… hmmm, I can’t even talk about this guy, he can’t even get a call up from 3 successive Spain coaches… what a shame.

    Socrates… reps Greece… is Greece a competitive country??? a country with below average footballers.

    Ramsey… good international career.

    xhaka… a brain farting pig, with a good international career.

    mkhi… a total waste if space… I don’t even know if he’s a 10 or a winger anymore.

    laca…. can’t even get a call up by France, even in a friendly international game.

    auba… auba, auba, auba… I don’t know anything to write about this one..

    guendouzi….. no internal cap. but a regular first team player at great AFC.

  113. Jamie

    CG –

    “Off course it [aura] matters. You can argue -It matters more than even the results.”

    Please argue this in a few short sentences.

  114. Marko

    Can I just say these discussions are a prime example of what’s the matter with Arsenal fans. That some people think that a club who hasn’t challenged for a major title in 15 years that has been on a steady decline for years with a particularly piss poor squad the last two seasons has a squad that’s 3rd or 4th in the league is ludicrous to me. Some of you fuckers aren’t of this reality I swear

  115. Pedro

    Marko, you didn’t land that point.

    You think it’s ludicrous that people think we should challenge for top four… even though we are?

  116. Bamford10

    Aside from 3-4 guys on Le Grove — all with agendas — no one in all of world football thinks Arsenal’s squad is as good as that of United, Chelsea or Spurs.

    Anyone know what odds oddsmakers have given us (throughout the season) of winning the title? I bet on average said odds were nearly always lower than what they gave the three clubs above (except for in United’s lowest Jose-is-killing-us moments). This because the oddsmakers have good sense and are not biased.

  117. Un Battle Angel

    Marc

    Yeah I’d agree with that. Too many do write off our players. It’s to do with their bias. And their love of shiny new toys. Everyone loves a fantasy signing but the best work is done on the training ground
    Look what was done with rvp and cesc as opposed to just throwing money at problem positions. Look what was done with our famous back 5 and Ashley Cole.
    Look at the improvement in Ramsey and xakha under emery:

  118. Jamie

    CG –

    Cool, so you could argue the point you suggested was arguable, but you don’t have to argue it because you know the history of the club. Got it. You’re really great at this.