Terrible decisions spoil Emery’s excellent tactical plan

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I don’t tend to attack officials, but in a game of paper-thin lines, every decision counts. Today, things did not fall in favour of Unai Emery’s Arsenal. Two penalty decisions ruined an almost flawless execution of a peak-Mourinho-Chelsea game plan.

The first decision came when Xhaka gifted Spurs a freekick in a dangerous area. The well-delivered cross flew dangerously close to Harry Kane 8 yards out, Mustafi identified the threat late and leaned in with a nudge the ref saw. The penalty was awarded, but on closer inspection, it was clear that our defence had held its line really well, with Harry Kane clearly offside. Even worse, the linesman was behind the play half a yard. The penalty was never in doubt.

The next penalty fell our way, Mikhi released Auba who was bundled over, the decision was no doubt dubious, but the award felt fair if you’re of the ‘it evens itself out’ mindset. Auba took the kick, taking a straight line run-up, Lloris guessed right and palmed the ball away, Vertonghen then ran back and blocked the second wave attack, clearing off the line. Again, on closer inspection, it was clear that Jan had encroached dramatically into the area. There aren’t many things you need to pay attention to on the penalty, so it’s baffling this was missed. You get the feeling there are important rules and those that are deemed not so important.

You have the two sides of the VAR coin on full display here. If the refs have assistants in the cloud, both penalties aren’t given. Sure, you lose some of the excitement, but ultimately, do you really care if the result is just? If the season finishes and Arsenal miss out on Champions League by 1 point, is it fair? I would always prioritise a fair result over excitement. Also, interested to see how VAR affects the dark arts of Spurs next season.

The shame of the bad decisions is it ruined a mostly excellent tactical execution. Emery started with Ramsey and Lacazette. He left LT on the bench. We opted to give Spurs possession so we could strike on the counter. The plan worked really well, Arsenal broke up play in their own box, Xhaka released a quick long ball to the halfway line, Spurs made a mess of the ball, Aaron was released, he powered through, took the ball past Lloris and narrowly squeezed the ball into the empty net. World class composure. I always think of Theo when players break on their own like that. Banter years PTSD.

We had some great chances to further our lead. Lacazette blazed a cut back shockingly wide. Iwobi got the better of Trippier, making space to curl a shot at the top corner, Lloris with a cat-like jump to deny him.

The subs at halftime made sense, Lucas was brought on to bring more solidity. Emery took Ramsey off fairly early for Ozil and Lacazette was switched out for the pace of Auba.

Our sharpshooter from Gabon didn’t have a great time of it, he fluffed his lines in front of goal and took a particularly shite penalty considering his quality, but it is what it is.

1 point is no disaster away to a very good Spurs side, but there’s a good chance that slip will cost us in the run for top four. Particularly if the result doesn’t go our way when we welcome United next week.

Overall though, we had a strong game. We accepted that going toe-to-toe with Spurs wasn’t going to bring home the bacon, we set traps for them all day and we defended like we actually cared about the clean sheet. Our players pressed like demons, they camped outside our box and all took personal accountability for doing their bit. Nacho was excellent, Kos used his experience well and Sokratis was a thorn in the side of Harry Kane all day. I really love the Greek, he’s a proper warrior, you’d never give him a parking ticket, would you?

Ultimately, it’s hard to account for players like Mustafi and to a lesser extent, Xhaka. You just know the German cannot resist making dim decisions. He’s always in there with an unsneaky nudge or a rash slide tackle. He simply cannot resist it, he started early yesterday, he makes the refs hyperaware what he’s up to and then decisions go against him. There’s also no obvious excuse, he doesn’t lack pace, he’s not young, he must have been told about this by coaches.

Xhaka is a slightly different beast because most of his poor expressions on the pitch are because he lacks pace. He’s constantly a yard behind the play and the only way he can counter that is with niggly fouls. The challenge you have with the Swiss is his ability to move play forward is unchallenged in the league, that long ball to the halfway line gave us an opening (even if it didn’t make its intended target directly). The club has to be looking at this as we head into the summer.

Next week is huge. I think it’s fair to say that Arsenal certainly do have a squad good enough to sustain a top 4 challenge. We’re right in the mix and it’s now March, it’s not in doubt. There can be no complaints we don’t have the squad. We are more than capable of beating United at home, I am even more certain of that after we nearly pulled off a masterclass against Spurs. If Southampton can get at them, we can.

The squad cannot feel sorry for themselves after being robbed today. We have to come back fighting and take the game to United. They have a fast frontline and two players that are expert at finding them on the break. We need to be smart and counter that threat. We also need a really fucking big performance from our two strikers to make up for today.

A few additional shoutouts. Bernd Leno is really starting to look like a good keeper. I don’t think the team has adapted to playing out the back, so it’s hard to judge his impact there. However, his double save was world class. We finally have a keeper that is capable of stopping the unexpected. That’s so valuable to the defence.

Additionally, let’s give Iwobi some props. He had a very good performance, he created chances, nearly scored, defended well and made a nuisance of himself. I also thought it was another superb game from Mikhi who is starting to look like value for money. He’s ambitious with his passing, he’s working hard for the team and he’s proving a far more decisive of late.

It’s all about United. This is essentially our #Top4 cup final. We have to come away with three points. Especially after United just beat Southampton with a very late United-ish winner.

Right, see you in the comments xxx

 

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  1. Marko

    I believe gambon is taking the Pochetino approach to looking at yesterday’s game as in if Xhaka is sent off early in the game everything else is changed. Depends on whether or not you actually think that challenge is an obvious red or not

  2. Dissenter

    The Xhaka challenge was a yellow card at best.
    It wouldn’t have changed anything because Xhaka is used to living on a yellow card.

  3. Paulinho

    I predicted on Friday we would win yesterday and if we didn’t I would be pissed off and that’s how it has turned. A missed opportunity.

    We are on an upward curve at the moment and need to make hay while the sun shines. I suspect we will have a collective dip again before the end of the season and get turned over at Watford or Everton.

    Top four is gone but I don’t think it will take much for to get us really in the mix for it next season. The average level of footballer is pony in Europe and even teams like Chelsea are struggling to find talent. We’re in a good position to identify the next batch coming through and pick them up at good prices.

  4. Bamford10

    Benny

    Maybe, maybe not. Read your Twitter feed: there are refs who think Kane’s pen was a pen, refs who think Auba’s pen wasn’t a pen, and refs who don’t think the encroachment was a big deal.

    Not to mention there are matches we’ve won or drawn on account of questionable calls that went our way. VAR would take those away.

    I will never understand people who spend their time talking about what might have been had this or that decision gone a different way. That’s the game. Them’s the breaks. Sometimes you benefit from bad calls, sometimes you don’t, but it all evens out in the end.

    The best teams win regardless of the calls made, and if you don’t win, you weren’t good enough. In the long run, everyone gets more or less the same number of bad calls for and against them. The teams on top are on top because they were better game in, game out, and over the long haul.

    Dwelling on and moaning about calls is both irrational and pointless, IMO.

    I get feeling a little hard done, but I don’t get the dwelling on this or that call. In the end, as I say, it all evens out.

  5. Marko

    In the second half they basically created feck all so yeah you could easily surmise that if the flag went up we most likely would have gone on to won

  6. bennydevito

    Marko,

    Robertson cost Liverpool £8m and he has definitely improved Liverpool’s defence.

    How much did Chillwell, Maguire and perrieira cost Leicester?

    Lascelles and Schar cost Newcastle?

    There absolutely are £10 – £25m bracket defenders out there that will improve us, we just need to scout better.

  7. gambon

    The point is, if Kanes penalty wasn’t given, the last 15 mins play out completely differently.

    In fact, every aspect of the game from the very first time VAR was used play out completely differently.

    We couldve won 4-0 or lost 3-2 or drawn 2-2.

  8. bennydevito

    Bamford,

    Yes I get your point but if all the correct decisions went everyone’s way the year Leicester won the league we would have actually won the league and that is massive.

  9. Bamford10

    Benny

    Yeah, I don’t accept that at all; Leicester City were better than us, and they won the league because they were the best team in the league that season.

  10. Dissenter

    It’s going to be interesting having FOUR teams vie for the 3rd and 4th spots. Sours will get sucked in as soon as they play their big games away against and City.
    United have an advantage because they are the only one in the group off four that won’t have European football soon.
    Besides that there’s a lot to play…lots of football to come.
    We may have a better picture by April 1st but it’s really too early with 9 games left to go.

  11. Bamford10

    QNA

    Not enough in what sense? In the sense that we should get more for those players? Or in the sense that we need to generate more cash than that?

  12. bennydevito

    gambon,

    Yes that’s a fair point too. Kind of like sliding doors (the movie) and parallel dimensions.

  13. bennydevito

    Bamford,

    Whether you accept that or not is irrelevant, and I don’t dispute Leicester weren’t the better team, but if all decisions had been called correctly we’d have had more points.

    Pierre,

    You’ve referred to this point; are there any links out there that can back this up?

    At the end of the day we can’t go back in time so it’s pointless anyway, I’m just glad VAR will be in next season to make sure the best teams win the prizes and not lose them because of bad decisions.

  14. Leftsidesanch

    The top 4 is a 4 team race, Spurs and Utd with the advantage. I do think Spurs and Chelsea have the trickier set of fixtures. It could end up completely different. All teams will drop points.

  15. qna

    At the end of the day we got a good point. A win would have been pointless anyway if we are unable to pick up away wins for the rest of the season. Get a win at United and this point really should be enough to get us top 4.

    As much as the refs fucked us over, they have been doing that for years. What’s new. We have ourselves to blame. Why has Auba been taking pens. I’m no football genius but it’s obvious to me he isn’t the man you want taking pens. Should have been Mkhi. Even he doesn’t instill me with confidence. I’d like to see how Torreira is at pens. He strikes me as the guy who we should be betting on.

    Our fault we didn’t get the 3 points. Just own it. At the same time, it was a great point. Take it and move on. Must, must, must take 3 points against United. I’m confident too.

  16. Bamford10

    Benny

    Yeah, again, you are stating that like it’s an objective fact. It isn’t. Who did that analysis? Might different people have reached different decisions? Further, to gambon’s point, when you change a call in a match, every moment in that match that followed that moment would be different. Therefore you can never say how that match would’ve ended. All you can go with is who was the best team on balance, and on that there is no question: Leicester were the best team on balance that season. I mean no offense, but your claim is some Untold shit, IMO.

  17. James.wood

    Thelma Walcott (look how fast I can run mum substituted)
    What an abysmal player he is.?

    A player like so many others at Arsenal kept to long when all could see how bad they are.?

  18. Dissenter

    Benny
    Go easy on this referee conspiracy theories you’re throwing about.’
    The referees made mistakes…it’s not some vast conspiracy network .

  19. Dissenter

    I still think Jordan Pickford owes this game a howler

    There’s always a free gift he bears for these games.

  20. ddkingz

    James. wood
    discussing about player…. well, I couldn’t believe my eyes when Toulouse introduced one of wenger’s old pal into their match against Lyon….

    I’m still in shock…. f*ck**g yaya sanogo

  21. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Yea we get it, you don’t understand how any player that doesn’t cost 50 mil improves us. You just happen to be wildly out of touch, almost to the point it’s painful engaging on the subject.

    United don’t have one CB worth talking about, so that should tell you all you need to know about big money. Our most expensive CB is car crash at times.

    Again, you talk VVD but he cost 10 mil from Celtic, which is the point being made here. We need to accrue the talent earlier in the cycle.

  22. Marko

    United still play City and Chelsea and are away to Wolves and Everton like us. Chelsea also play Everton and Leicester away Wolves at home and Liverpool and United away to come. Spurs have Southampton Liverpool and City away and play Everton at home. We’re still in it

  23. Dissenter

    Klopp was an idiot for saying that Everton will play the merseyside derby “like a World Cup final”
    He was the one celebrating the last minute earlier fixture win like he won the Euro lottery.

  24. Marko

    Again, you talk VVD but he cost 10 mil from Celtic, which is the point being made here. We need to accrue the talent earlier in the cycle.

    Right. And how many years did it take for him to realize his potential? Say we do that now sign someone like Kamara at 19 from Marseille and he’s expected to what straight away? He might end up being a top class CB in the next few years but now to walk in and fix our defence? Because let’s be honest here you both want instant improvements but from players that have potential. I agree but you can’t have one without the other. You want the defence improved overnight with 10-25 million signings good luck with that. Maybe if you were a bit more patient you know

  25. Dissenter

    That’s why you p[lay the game
    there’s still 9 games left and some are already counting us out
    Liverpool had the league to lose and were 5-7 points ahead recently.
    Today they are second even though they haven’t done much wrong.

  26. Marc

    Dissenter

    Talk about giving the Everton players something extra to go for. That was almost as stupid as the Poch saying the Burnley match was a must win.

  27. Marko

    Still plenty of football to come but the form of Liverpool compared to that of City’s means they’ll likely lose out

  28. Marc

    Marko

    Salah doesn’t look right – last thing you need as you enter the final run in is for your top scorer to hit a poor patch.

  29. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    VVD was quality the moment he arrived, because Liverpool spent 75 mil on him last year doesn’t mean that was suddenly his level from then on. He would’ve come into our side and been first XI quality from the off, and he’s not the only one out there to follow that path.

    Again, you’re ignoring the realities for some juvenile xbox shite. Arsenal don’t have 50 mil to plugs gaps where you see fit all over the squad. Remember you’re the same guy that calls or 10/11 new players and now they’ve got to be 50 mil or what’s the point. Deluded

    If Arsenal sign two defenders at 15-20mil a piece, who are better than what we have, then we’ll improve in tandem with good coaching. It’s not that hard a concept. You’re only capable of computing mega signings as improvement.

  30. Marc

    Receding

    You wouldn’t be surprised if the Scousers had a mini collapse now. Interesting what they do going forward if they do fuck it up, Klopp will get next season of course but if they don’t win the PL next season either I think he’ll be gone.

  31. Marko

    Their midfield is way too negative. Them playing Fabinho and Henderson is like us playing Xhaka, Guendouzi and Torreira it’s too much. Gotta play Keita gotta show confidence in him.

  32. James.wood

    DD kingz
    17.41.20

    Can’t believe he is still plying his trade.
    But there
    Is a raft of Sanogo’s playing imagine
    all of them in the Same side it would make it a .

    “Sanogo area.”?
    .

  33. Marko

    VVD was quality the moment he arrived, because Liverpool spent 75 mil on him last year doesn’t mean that was suddenly his level from then on. He would’ve come into our side and been first XI quality from the off, and he’s not the only one out there to follow that path.

    This is pretty similar to the point I was making a while back when I was criticizing Wenger for not signing him from Celtic and lo and behold you were arguing differently then. So when Wenger should have been making these types of potential high probability type signings and didn’t you had an excuse or argued and now it’s the types of signings that we should be making? I agree totally we should be doing them now and should have been doing it years ago. I mean could you imagine if he wasn’t so incompetent we could actually have someone like VVD or Vertonghan playing for us. Again my point still stands you want us to go down the potential and reasonably priced route that’s fine but you’ll need patience before you see improvements to the team. Simple as that. You want us to compete with the better teams in this league and in Europe with 10-25 million type defenders then good luck

  34. Receding Hairline

    Yea Marc…I see them bottling it big time, Klopp got his selections and sub’s all wrong today.

    I think I’m with Gambon on united.. They worry me a lot. We need to beat them to slow their momentum. People going on and on about the officials yesterday, they wrongly awarded a 90th minute penalty and Aubameyang bottled it, the referee isn’t the reason we left that game with a point

  35. TR7

    City will win the league, I thought they were the favorites even when they were 10 points behind. Liverpool attacking players lack poise with ball at their feet. Mane and Salah together make too many poor touches/bad decisions to enable Liverpool get over the line. In City, Bernardo, KDB, David Silva and Aguero are precise with their touches, make better decisions and loose the ball less frequently. Van Djik alone has kept Liverpool in the title race but it won’t be enough in the end.

  36. TR7

    Salah has not hit a bad patch, rather he scoring 40 goals last season was a fluke. He is a dangerous player with his dribbling and pace but never looked like he was going to be a prolific goalscorer season in season out.

  37. Marc

    Receding

    ManU are getting results but we don’t know if we’re looking at the old Fergie ManU – between them cheating, being lucky and ref’s cheating they’ll get top 4 or if they’ve had a bit of a post Mourinho boost plus a bit of luck. Outside of us they have Wolves and Everton away plus City and Chelsea at home. It will be close purely because the Spud’s are now drawn into it.

  38. Marko

    Again, you’re ignoring the realities for some juvenile xbox shite. Arsenal don’t have 50 mil to plugs gaps where you see fit all over the squad. Remember you’re the same guy that calls or 10/11 new players and now they’ve got to be 50 mil or what’s the point. Deluded

    I’d like to stress that I’m not arguing that only 50 million signings can improve the squad and that’s what we need to improve but I’m a realist and arguing for common sense. Common sense for me looking at signing young prospects and looking for gradual improvements for example not signing up a decent 10-25 million prospect and expecting instant improvement inside 6 months. Charles you criticizing the manager for not improving the defence inside a matter of months and then saying that he needs to improve the defence with 10-25 million signings is honestly real cuntish behavior. You never criticized once Wenger for not improving the defence with obvious reasonably priced good prospects and now you’re demanding his replacement to not only do it but improve upon it almost instantly. Nah mate nah. You want the defence improved and improved quickly it’s going to take significant investment. You want us to improve the defence with 10-25 million players then you’re going to need patience I’m afraid

  39. Dissenter

    Sanches [Spurs] has to be retrospectively banned for that stamp on Koscielny
    What a shitbag
    There was no need to do that.

  40. ddkingz

    if my our beloved arsenal could be a little more clinical in every department of the pitch…. we wouldn’t be arguing about making top 4….

    I’ve never openly criticized, but from now onwards till the end of the season…. he would be held accountable for how the season end up in May…..

    he(emery) needs everybody on his side,the fans and supporters, players and staffs, i see no reason leaving out Ozil from the squad anymore( not that he’s proven his critics wrong but for the fact that every single players is needed), even the spud fans on le-grove are needed to achieve our objectives for the season.

    after playing Man Utd come this weekend, we have the easiest of games compared to the other top6 rivlas… so game/man management, tactics,
    preparation are all needed to achieve top 4….

    and I believe we can.

  41. Champagne charlie

    “This is pretty similar to the point I was making a while back when I was criticizing Wenger for not signing him from Celtic and lo and behold you were arguing differently then“

    If in doubt, just pull a lie out your arse and serve it up as fact. I called for VVD and Wanyama when they were both playing in Scotland, my Dad is a Rangers fan and I’ve grown up watching the Old Firm. So you’re wrong, as usual.

    “Charles you criticizing the manager for not improving the defence inside a matter of months and then saying that he needs to improve the defence with 10-25 million signings is honestly real cuntish behavior”

    You’re so slow. Here it is one last time, because I’m bored repeating the same basic ideas that you rehash as something else.

    Arsenal don’t have the means to buy 50 mil players all over the show, we need to buy smarter. That comes in the form of 10-25mil players with a potentially huge upside. But let’s be clear, all of these signings will be better than what we currently have.

    By that measure it’s fucking normal to expect improvement when you bring in better players. Nobody said that the 15 mil defender needs to be some 18 year old with talent, it could just as easy be a name off the radar at 22/23 who will come in and explode because we’ve scouted the potential to do so. You’re so wedded to price tags that you’re utterly detached from reality.

  42. ddkingz

    @mark 18:45:05
    You never criticized once Wenger for not improving the defence with obvious reasonably priced good prospects and now you’re demanding his replacement to not only do it but improve upon it almost instantly.

    lol…
    they never once criticized wenger for not buying a decent DM for more than half a decade after song went to barcelona…. but now, they want Emery to organize an athletic Madrid-like defence at arsenal……

    #mctheeeeeeewwww…. when you see a Spurs fan in an arsenal blog, you instantly recognise them.

  43. Dissenter

    ddkingz,
    Excellent contribution
    We should disembowel Emery and hang him on the halfway line with his small intestine.
    Pedro will soon give you a guest post
    Keep up the good work.

  44. Upstate Gooner

    Klopp – The wind didn’t help us. What a sore loser. The unwatered pitch, the refs, the mother nature – all are out to get him. Both teams played under the same conditions, you douche. You and your team didn’t get the job done. Still remember him complaining last season after a draw with West Brom how they needed points more. What does he expect teams to do, roll over and take it from behind?

  45. Receding Hairline

    Klopp just blamed the wind for dropped points

    Say what u like about Emery being bland and all but he isn’t one for making excuses.

    Pochettino believed they were better in all aspects of the game yesterday for instance

  46. Marc

    Upstate

    Clearly you aren’t aware of the standard scouse mind set – Always the victim, always someone else’s fault and they are never to blame or at fault.

  47. Dissenter

    I recall Jamie Carragher slandering Arsenal when Chelsea got thrashed by city. I’m disgusted by how these scouter pundits [who dominate English TV] can still clam to be objective when they are so openly partisan
    We wont get any rest for the next 1000 years should Liverpool win the league.

    At least with city, we can keep hating them for oil state money.
    With ‘pool, their league of pundits will beat our heads in

  48. Upstate Gooner

    Marc
    I can’t stand a thought of that lot winning the league. If City win it, so what. Another one for them, and a week later nobody’s cares/remembers. But if Pool somehow get their hands on the trophy, we’ll never hear the end of it. And fucking Klopp will be even more smiley and smug than he is now which is almost impossible because he’s already the most arrogant douche out there.

  49. Pierre

    Bennydevito
    As requested.

    By SAM MORGAN
    23rd May 2016, 7:20 am Updated: 27th May 2016, 1:36 pm
    ARSENAL fans took plenty of stick last week for their celebrations after
    overtaking rivals Spurs on the final weekend of the season.

    But the Gunners
    should have been applauded as CHAMPIONS if officials had done their
    jobs properly.

    SunSport’s panel of experts have looked at every game over the course of the
    campaign to bring you the Premier League table as it should have looked.

    We have analysed all 380 matches to determine the goals that should not have
    counted, the ones wrongly ruled out and the key penalty-box calls that went
    for and against teams.

    And while Leicester
    are in the Far East, basking in the glory of the greatest title triumph of
    all time, our panel can reveal the real winners deserved to be Arsene
    Wenger’s side.
    n a table that puts a lie to the frequent claim mistakes even themselves out
    over the course of a season, we can reveal things should have looked very
    different this term.

    Not only did Arsenal deserve to finish top of the pile, with Leicester
    actually worth only second place, but neither Manchester
    City nor Manchester
    United should have finished in the top five.

    Southampton, in fact, were robbed of third and Spurs should actually have been
    fourth. Newcastle were the biggest victims of all as they deserved to finish
    14th, not in the drop zone, while Sunderland should have gone down after
    all.

    The analysis found that mistakes were made in 96 games, around one in every
    four matches, with the final result being ‘wrong’ in 53 of them.

    It is also clear Claudio Ranieri’s Foxes got more than their fair share of big
    calls.

    In five games, adding up to a seventh of the season, massive mistakes aided
    Leicester, in total handing them 12 points more than they should have got —
    although they were robbed of a win at Southampton.

    Those included the narrow home wins over Crystal Palace and the Saints, where
    the visitors were on the wrong end of a series of shockers in the same game.

    Arsenal were only involved in three crucial decisions, costing them two points
    overall, which they lost in the first week of the season.

    That came when Aaron Ramsey’s effort was wrongly ruled out for offside in the
    goalless home draw with Liverpool — which would have taken them to the
    crown.

    Southampton ended up four points shy of the tally they were worth over the
    season, which would have been enough for them to leapfrog Tottenham over the
    final two weeks of the season to claim the last automatic Champions League
    slot.

    Louis van Gaal’s grumbling over his treatment by United would have had even
    less resonance had the Old Trafford side finished in their rightful position
    of sixth, behind Spurs and West Ham on goal difference.

    And more than a few City fans will wonder if Pep Guardiola would have been
    quite so keen to get to the Etihad had Manuel Pellegrini’s side only ended
    up in seventh, earning a slot in the Europa League rather than dining at
    Europe’s high table.

    SunSport is not sure the rebuilt table will be much consolation to the
    supporters in North London or the North East.

    The Prem hierarchy will not be ringing Thailand to ask the King Power bosses
    to hand back the trophy, or telling Toon’s Mike Ashley his side have stayed
    up after all.

    But it does demonstrate how every game can be vital.

  50. Un Battle Angel

    Scouter’s are vermin. I’d happily see them all killed.

    Benny d

    You gonna report that for hate speech? Or does it only count for lefty pet minorities?

  51. Marko

    If in doubt, just pull a lie out your arse and serve it up as fact

    It was true though. I was arguing why didn’t Wenger sign VVD when he was at Celtic and you came up with some shite about how everyone not just us missed out on his signing back then and something along the lines of how could we know how good he would become. Basically one of your classic examples of making an excuse for Wenger but then claiming that it’s not an excuse. So then what is it.

    You’re so slow. Here it is one last time, because I’m bored repeating the same basic ideas that you rehash as something else.

    Don’t bother honestly. All I can do is repeat things from my end about how if you’re expecting improvement from the manager fairly instantly with 10-25 million signings then you need to temper your expectations a little or learn to be patient a bit more. That’s it really. All this expecting him to improve the defence and challenge with 10-25 million signings is a bit hilarious really. And such expectations it’s a shame you never had any for the previous manager.

  52. Marc

    “You gonna report that for hate speech? Or does it only count for lefty pet minorities?”

    Doesn’t count if it’s true.

  53. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Unlike you to completely rehash a previous conversation as something different….

    The argument was against your claims that VVD was ‘obviously’ destined to be the player he is, which you did as a means of slating Wenger. I replied, as did others, saying that VVD clearly wasn’t that obvious if he was bought by Southampton and not a top 6 side.

    But I’m done for the day, you continue to be the biggest whopper on here and frankly idk why I waste the brain cells lowering the tone to your level.

  54. Dissenter

    Walcott, oh Walcott
    If you need proof how Wenger’s legacy in there second half of tenure at Arsenal, just take a look at Walcott.

  55. Marko

    The argument was against your claims that VVD was ‘obviously’ destined to be the player he is, which you did as a means of slating Wenger. I replied, as did others, saying that VVD clearly wasn’t that obvious if he was bought by Southampton and not a top 6 side

    But he was obvious cause people were scouting him at the time and you can see it now. And some of those teams at the time didn’t need to sign him they could have obviously waited for him to come good and afford to sign him then and we couldn’t. Which is the point you’re making in signing up these potentially talented players for next to nothing instead of waiting for them to become a 50 million or whatever player. Wenger didn’t do that with VVD he should have but he didn’t. And you didn’t make an excuse for him obviously. Also saying that other teams missed out on him as well isn’t really an excuse for Arsene missing out on him considering that we don’t shop in the same places as those other teams.

    idk why I waste the brain cells lowering the tone to your level.

    Dunno what you’re being so dumb about here mate or getting emotional about all I’m saying is that if you want instant improvements by the manager on the defence while bringing in players for 10-25 million that you’re going to need patience. That’s all. If you’re unwilling to do that then you’re probably a dickhead with an agenda. There’s not a manager in world football who could address our defence and have us challenging inside a matter of months with 10-25 million players. Just unrealistic

  56. Champagne charlie

    “There’s not a manager in world football who could address our defence and have us challenging inside a matter of months with 10-25 million players. Just unrealistic“

    Sums up exactly what I said (and others, Banford, Benny) to you at the very start of this.

    You have your dick hard for big price tags, end of. We improved with 4 players who all cost less than 25 mil this past summer, but somehow it’s unreasonable to expect improvement on the pitch given that fact.

    Instead that’s only reserved for when Emery buys 50 mil players. Never mind if we have another summer where we get another 4 better players for the same money. That’ll be 8 better players signed for less than 25 mil, but Marko won’t expect improvement because improvement only comes after the 50 mil barrier has been met. Brilliant

  57. Redtruth

    Pierre
    SunSport
    “Not only did Arsenal deserve to finish top of the pile, with Leicester
    actually worth only second place, but neither Manchester
    City nor Manchester
    United should have finished in the top five.”

    You have been a victim of a cruel April Fools Day hoax lol

  58. Marko

    That’ll be 8 better players signed for less than 25 mil, but Marko won’t expect improvement because improvement only comes after the 50 mil barrier has been met. Brilliant

    Is that what I’m saying? No at the core of what I’m arguing about is patience. If he was signing 50 million players to the defence like you I’d be demanding obvious improvements in that area after 6 months no excuses. A 34 year old free RB and a 17 million CB is what we got in that area and you are demanding improvement after 6 months you didn’t get it you are asking questions of the manager sure so you’re expecting us to compete in the short term with 10-25 million signings? Good luck with that especially considering what was inherited.

    We improved with 4 players who all cost less than 25 mil this past summer

    We did? But I thought you and others have said “zero improvement”? Hmmm

    I would say long term wise we can make the gap up with smart intelligent scouting and purchasing of good young potential players and that will take time. I think if you want something more drastic like obvious improvement inside 6 months then significant money is needed. So that’s drastic improvement inside 6 months significant investment needed. Smart scouting and reasonable investment will take time.

  59. Champagne charlie

    “We did? But I thought you and others have said “zero improvement”? Hmmm“

    Improved in terms of personnel, can you honestly not follow a conversation?

    The crux is dead simple and exposes your ridiculous logic for all to see. You think Emery requires patience because he signed 4 players less than 25 mil, when “If he was signing 50 million players to the defence like you I’d be demanding obvious improvements in that area”.

    So your argument disregards the fact the four players are better than what we had, and instead focuses on their value and how that apparently correlates to the time they give Emery to implement a change. Weird…..really weird.

    They’re fucking better, that’s the ONLY relevant detail. How much they cost doesn’t matter at all, it’s whether they’re better than what we had (which they are). Christ you live in a strange void.

  60. Dissenter

    Un na aka battle angel

    Haven’t you heard that this is a blog of love?
    Behave your self and fall in line.

  61. Tony

    Going to be an interesting game by game scrap to the finish line:

    3 – Spuds 61 points
    4 -Manure 58 points
    5 – Arsenal 57 points
    6 – Chelsea 56 points

    Our football might not be exciting or pretty and have little vision, but Emery is keeping us in the mix.

    I’d say barring the Wenger apologists, AKBs or whatever they call themselves, the rest of the fans would have been very happy if they were told we’d be in this position with 9 games to go and still in the EL cup back in August.

    Those knocking Emery should at least give him the remaining 9 PL games and EL Cup games before pillorying him and demanding his head on a pike.

    After all those same people gave Wenger 14 years without a PL trophy.

    I’ve always said I’ll wait until the season is over regarding Emery, and wait until the end of the TW to see what Raul/management and Kroenke is really about.

    I’m not saying Emery hasn’t made some monumentally poor decisions with his selections and game/training tactics, but he’s muddled through somehow with a squad often decimated by injuries to key players, Ozil’s toys constantly being thrown out his pram – sickies & injuries notwithstanding, and pretty much man for man a squad that is less talented than the the other top 6 teams barring possibly Lace, Auba and LT.

    Nothing less than a draw will do against Manure not just for the point but psychologically as well.

    Revenge for the home cup loss would be a goods start.

    Ozil needs to step up, especially in the remaining away games.

    Mikhi needs to continue with his newly rejuvenated pre United Dortmund form.

    The back four/three needs to continue with repeat performances of the NLD.

    Mustafi needs to be relegated to the bench and only used in emergency and even then sparingly.

    No more injuries to key players.

    Emery to continue with the right game plans and selections ALA NLD.

    Pierre to keep his tin foil hat on to ward off the ref conspiracies.

    Finally Chelsea, Manure and Spuds all need to drop points in their remaining fixtures.

    Then we might stand a chance of Top 4.

    I still don’t see us winning the EL Cup!

  62. Tony

    Dissenter
    Ease off on the blog moderator police thing.

    Poor Un has a rare form of Tourettes type affliction where he actually speaks words rather than sounds and twitches and where he has no social skills’ filters or speech etiquette when uttering words.

  63. Tony

    Dissenter
    I think subtlety is lost on UN.

    Probably need to up the ante to penetrate Un’s rhinocirous thick hide.

    Your initial comment made me chuckle though.

  64. bennydevito

    Un Battle AngelMarch 3, 2019    19:42:08

    Scouter’s are vermin. I’d happily see them all killed.

    Benny d

    You gonna report that for hate speech? Or does it only count for lefty pet minorities?

    >>>>>>>

    Report it to who? Might do, what’s it to you?

  65. Takin the Mhik

    Pierre

    “wanyama arm/elbow in the face of Lacazette..no action taken.
    Sanchez kicked Kosielny whilst he was on the floor.no action taken.
    Danny Rose studs in Leno’s chest …no red given .
    Danny Rose blatant diving ..no action taken
    Lorente elbow in the face of Kosielny ..no red given.”

    Spot on. Not to mention Pochetino somehow got out of a touchline ban for getting in Deans face the week before.

    Kane also headvutted Azpilacueta, he should have also been banned for the Arsenal game.

    And then of course the Kane offside for the penalty and Vertonghan was miles in the box when Aubameyang took the penalty, meaning he could get back in time for the block.

    Ridiculous. So was Torrerias red.

  66. Dark Hei

    Pierre

    I think I have stated on this blog before, I don’t think there is a conspiracy against Arsenal per se; rather the EPL is in a way scripted.

    That’s why, season to season, we seem to get strange runs of good or bad luck with referee decisions.

    And yes, they NEVER even out.

    It is just such an un-mathematical thing to say. How the hell can a small sample of 36 events, even themselves out naturally?

  67. gonsterous

    I wouldn’t mind getting in another player like sokrates, someone with experience who is a bit older, and cheaper but who can replace the very old kos. At the same time get in younger CBs with potential like holding and play them as back up or in the cup games. They can learn for a season or two and then slot into the main CB role when the current CBs get too old and then bring in more young CBs with potential and the cycle continues.

  68. Un Battle Angel

    Dissenter
    Ease off on the blog moderator police thing.Poor Un has a rare form of Tourettes type affliction where he actually speaks words rather than sounds and twitches and where he has no social skills’ filters or speech etiquette when uttering words.

    Tony
    Come now
    This is the internet. Saying that with such an allegedly severe disability then I’ve nay done too badly for myself in navigating the world.

    But hypocritical when Marc is making worse comments about a group of people though right?

    Check the below comment

    MarcMarch 3, 2019 19:31:33
    Scouter’s are vermin. I’d happily see them all killed.

    Ok. Now let’s conduct a little experiment shall we? Let’s swap out the word scouser for anything else. Any minority.

    Black, African, Muslim, Iraqi, Mexican, Jamaican, Pakistani, Algerian even marshian.

    Syrians are vermin I’d happily see them all killed. Two different groups of people. One will he protected. One isn’t. Because of their ethnicity.

    Let’s see how long this comment lasts

    Marc’s has been up since last night. This is how the modern leftists are destroying the west. It’s one to call for violence against westerners. But everyone else is off the table.

  69. Un Battle Angel

    For the record

    I don’t condone violence against anyone
    I’m strictly anti war.

    Just an experimental exercise

  70. Receding Hairline

    “Tottenham are a better team than Arsenal, and Chelsea, right now. Yet they have lost to both this season — plus Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Wolves, Watford — every team in the top eight.

    Arsenal haven’t. They have lost to the majority of the biggest teams — Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea — but not the Europa League contenders. And they are back in the scrap for Champions League places, a point behind fourth-placed Manchester United who visit the Emirates next Sunday.

    United are in better form — and were comprehensive winners in an FA Cup tie between the teams in January — but Arsenal have improved under Emery. He also delivered a memorable speech at half-time on Saturday, telling his players he didn’t want them to approach the second half as if defending a lead, but to go out, control the game, and win again. They nearly did, too.
    The best chances all went to Arsenal — Alexandre Lacazette as culpable from open play as Aubameyang was from the spot — and Tottenham’s first shot came in the 39th minute, the longest they had waited in a Premier League home game since the visit of Stoke on December 22, 2012.

    Arsenal play Rennes in the Europa League — the Champions League backstop, as it should be called — on Thursday and then prepare for United. This remains a club in transition and yet, here they are in March, contemplating the overhaul of Manchester United, and closing in on local rivals that thought they had left them behind.”

    Martin Samuel’s take on the NLD and both teams is interesting

    You can read the full details here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6766839/Tottenham-working-against-ticking-clock-step-win-trophy.html

  71. Un Battle Angel

    Tony

    I know mate. Nothing you say is taken in anything but grace by me. Even the Jack Russel comments m.

  72. Un Battle Angel

    Receding

    Yes I’ve always enjoyed reading Martin Samuel. It’s all for nothing though if we don’t turn the screw
    It’s another two points dropped against a rival this weekend just like we did against Liverpool 1-1
    Chelsea 3-2
    And the draw against untied before Xmas

    We need to be more ruthless in front of goal against our rivals.
    Taking off lacazette and Ramsey is early was a bad move for me. They were our best goal scoring threats.

  73. Pierre

    RH
    “t Arsenal have improved under Emery. He also delivered a memorable speech at half-time on Saturday”

    Unless I’m mistaken , the article implies that pochettino not Emery gave a “memorable” speech at half time .

  74. Receding Hairline

    “Unless I’m mistaken , the article implies that pochettino not Emery gave a “memorable” speech at half time .”

    You are mistaken
    “telling his players he didn’t want them to approach the second half as if defending a lead, ”

    We were the ones with the lead so it could not have been Pochettino

  75. Silverhawk

    Pierre

    They both did.
    Read the article fully.

    Emery may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but he’s capable with regards to our current level in the footballing world.

    I’m personally waiting for summer to see the type of players we recruit. It’ll go a long way in revealing his plans for us.

    One thing I give him tho is that on his day, he sure knows how to drill a defense.

  76. Receding Hairline

    “We need to be more ruthless in front of goal against our rivals.
    Taking off lacazette and Ramsey is early was a bad move for me. They were our best goal scoring threats.”

    Well Lacazette did spurn two good chances and Aubameyang scored a brace when we played Spurs in the reverse fixture, as for Ramsey he was not holding on to the ball long enough and Ozil was supposed to bring more composure in possession ..the changes both had merits, the players let themselves down

  77. Ishola70

    Martin Samuel is a Spurs fan and deluded when he talks about them taking the next step “the great leap forward”.

    They are what they are.

    And when they talk about ten year waits they are not talking about FA Cups or League Cups. They mean the real top end prizes.

    Big talk from them that will not be met.

  78. Ishola70

    What manager is going to say it will take 5-10 years to win an English FA Cup?

    Don’t get muddled here.

    Spurs are talking the big talk when they go on about 5-10 year waits.

  79. Valentin

    @Ishola70,

    Martin Samuels is a WestHam fan.
    Have you read the article?
    The article is not about how great Spurs is. Quite the contrary, it is about how all of what Spurs has built could be swept away if they don’t win a trophy soon. Missing Champion’s league football would be catastrophic to them.
    Loss of revenue, but also loss of attractiveness to new players. And that even before having to deal with trying to keep manager and players happy at the club when they know that they could get better deal (financially and sportively) at bigger club who actually wants them.