Huss, Raul and Vinai get mad + Ozil gets vindictive

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Charles Watts spent some time inspecting the faces of the Arsenal exec team. Pen and pad in his hand this is what he saw.

Fahmy shook his head over and over again, Vekatesham slumped in his chair while an ashen-faced Sanllehi soon headed for the exit. This was not the result anyone had been expecting.

The vision that has been set out from the top brass has been clear. Champions League football is a must and winning the Europa League is arguably Arsenal’s best route back into Europe’s elite competition.

I mean, they’re not exactly going to be doing cartwheels and I’m not sure how much we can read into this, but it’s mildly interesting to know that the Emery frustration goes deeper than just a few fans in the ground and on the internet. Can’t remember Ivan Gazidis giving away this much emotion in 10 years.

It’ll be very interesting to see what the club do in the summer. Emery wasn’t given any money in January, no one really knows why, but it’s clear we can’t be broke. Maybe the club wanted to see what Emery was going to do with the squad, after all, he not only promised improvements to the fans in press conferences, he had a legendary PowerPoint presentation that he’ll no doubt be held to.

I would hazard a guess, but I would imagine coaching featured quite high on the short term objectives. Remember how keen he was to invite the press to watch his sessions? The club made quite a fuss about the job title being Head Coach, not Manager.

This is why the people claiming that a lack of identity doesn’t matter don’t understand what they’re saying. If your team stands for nothing, it means there’s no belief system in place. It means the players have no north star. It means you have nothing to fall back on when things slip. It results in confusing bland football that is no doubt a bore to play. Think about it, what is Emery trying to achieve? Fluid possession-based football like City? Heavy metal? Electric counter-attacking? Or just finding Kola on the overlap?

The biggest worry I have is the fans asking for more time and money seem to forget that he moved to a club that was a title-winning operation with some of the most exquisite players in the world playing for it and he tanked the first season. He had to bring in Neymar and Mbappe whilst counting on the simultaneous destruction of Monaco in the transfer market to win the league in his second season. He tanked twice in the Champions League, he couldn’t foster a collective and then he was let go at the end of the season because the players didn’t respect him.

That brings me onto my next topic of conversation, Mesut Ozil.

Mesut Ozil making a huge power play, whipping his base into a frenzy of ‘OZIL WE LIVE 4 U, EMRY DIE’, with the above pearler.

Now, it’s clear that I’m not a huge fan of the German. It’s also clear that he doesn’t really have any love for Arsenal unless it’s the love a 22-year-old beauty queen has for her 72-year-old billionaire lover. This is straight up manipulation of the media and it’s caused a right old stink on the internet.

It was a cynical move. It is clearly designed to disrupt Emery’s season that is tanking. It is supposed to be seen by the players who are no doubt wondering why they’re being asked to struggle away without support from the start names.

I thought this comment from Sal neatly summed up the debacle.

Emery came in with a supposed dossier on each player having done the research, knowing full well his highest paid player was Mesut Ozil, his attributes, weakness’s and knowledge he’d have to utilize him in some manner.

That plan didn’t consist of freezing Ozil out of every competition hoping to shift him in the next transfer window, value having plummeted to rock bottom.

We all know Ozil’s limitations we’ve beat them dead on here since 2013, there many. But don’t tell me he would not of added something to the shit show on display in Belarus. Don’t tell me Lacazette wouldn’t of welcomed him into the side, arms open. Emery put Arsenal behind his Ozil agenda.

More bizarre with Ramsay not traveling.

Now have open ware fare on the social between Ozil’s team and Emery.
As funny as it is, thats a sad indictment of his handling of Mesut Ozil, total mismanagement.

Emery is the unpopular kid standing his ground by taking the ball home. It’s an inability to be empathetic. It’s a character flaw in the Emery machine. This piece from GFFN on Thomas Tuchel gets under the skin of the problem and spells out that what we are seeing is not a one-off, it’s part of broader pattern of damaging behaviour.

“There is no success without a real relationship with the players”. Right from the start, he has been making pain-staking efforts to create strong bonds with his players. For example, he went to meet Neymar before the Brazilian left for the World Cup. “That’s the great difference between him and Emery”, surmises Canal + pundit Eric Carrière. “The Spaniard saw players as “X”, like tools he could use to win. It is the opposite for Tuchel. For him players are human beings, with a name, a personality, a sensibility and proper characteristics”.

And to whom you must show affection through a little hug, a little text message or some extra holiday time. “His management relies on benevolence, which doesn’t exclude authority and discipline, just like Rabiot and Mbappé experienced after being late at the pre-Classique speech and therefore sent on the bench at the Vélodrome,” says Carrière. “The strength of this manager is his ability to unite. Today, if a player doesn’t feel the kindness or thinks it is fake, he won’t fight for you. And you can tell that it is not fake with Tuchel. It is way easier to win trophies with such a team… Emery was a good tactician but didn’t have this ability”.

This is football. You are only as good as the talent you have at your disposal. Currently, Arsenal is trying to chase Champions League through the Europa League back door and top 4. We are desperately struggling for creativity because our two outlets are AMN and Kola. Would any manager in the world not at least try and build bridges with one of the most sublime creative talents in the world, even if he is  lazy? Would you not try and work out a system that could protect against his weaknesses in some way? Could you not put your pride to one side to make some magic happen?

It’s even crazier that he can’t find a way to utilise Aaron Ramsey. The guy has his flaws, but effort and intensity has never been an issue. He can also score goals, run with the ball, open space and create. Yet we’re leaving him to rot on the bench? Make a mistake with one star player and I might be able to forgive, but to do it with two of them, when they’re both fit, as results and performances tank… well, it’s just negligent.

In allowing these problems to fester Emery has lost control of the media narrative. He’s allowed Mesut Ozil to play the victim with the fans, and no doubt his treatment in the face of a creative crisis will have the players asking questions. The worst part of all of this is the argument is affecting our ability to compete. We’ve struggled against Cardiff, Huddersfield and lost to BATE. We haven’t delivered a performance since Spurs in December. Things are in decline.

Emery needs a rethink. He needs to leave his ego at the Colney gates. He needs to show leadership.

See you in the comments.

357 Responses to “Huss, Raul and Vinai get mad + Ozil gets vindictive”

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  1. Batistuta

    Didn’t Ozil play in that atrocious home win against Cardiff some weeks back where he was barged off the ball continuously and contributed nothing at all or are we talking about another player

  2. Pierre

    Batistuta
    You must be talking about another player because he had a very tidy game considering the amount of playing time that emery allows him.
    Anyone who understands the game would know how difficult it is to play at your full potential without regular playing time.

    But of course , someone with your exceptional football knowledge would understand that ..

  3. Pierre

    Marc
    “Him being in the team has not only has very little positive impact but by having to carry a lazy player it actually hurts results and has a detrimental effect on the players who have to cover for him.”

    Unbeaten since August with Ozil starting.
    7 defeats in2 months without Ozil starting
    More goals conceded per game without Ozil .

    If anything , looking at those figures, it has a detrimental effect on the players when he isn’t playing.

  4. bunga party

    Guendowzi, Xhaka, mustafi, kola, iwobi, suarez, kos, mkhi, leno, cech

    how have they been any better than Ozil to feature almost every match?

  5. Pedro

    I’m going to get the website fixed up nice.

    Can’t keep talking about the future and not upgrade the website in 10 years.

    Shameful lack of innovation on my part.

  6. TheLegendaryDB10

    Pedro

    The problem with this format is that we will have to scroll up and down to see who replied what and where. Can became messy. Certainly on a mobile phone.

  7. TheLegendaryDB10

    Something that has not been said re Ozil. All good if we play him, let’s say for the next 5-6 games to enable him to show his worth, or select him for the easy games. But what if he then decides to sulk on the pitch to try and get rid of UE. What next?

  8. Bamford10

    The best innovations would be:
    1. better internal search system (ability to find and navigate to previous posts and comments)
    2. ability to click on a poster’s name and go directly to an index of their previous comments
    3. ability to click on a poster’s name and see a basic profile, e.g., country of birth, country of residence, year of birth, favorite goal, favorite player

    This reply button with embedded comments is terrible. Terrible.

  9. Pierre

    Tee
    “who would support ostracising Ozil when those used in his stead are not doing any better.you can keep massaging your ego with repetitive comments on ozil’s weaknesses but the point knowledge able people are making is that there is no gain sidelining ozil when your team isn’t creating much attacking wise.”

    They are of the opinion that if they repeat their bullshit enough times that others will believe it’s true..

    What they can’t get into their heads is , if Arsenal we’re playing well and getting results then Emery would be justified in his treatment of Ozil but the performances are so dull, insipid , boring and lacking in creativity that if Emery continues with the marginalising of Ozil then he will be criticised .

    The person they should be showing their anger / hate ( or whatever) is Emery for making them look so foolish. .

    blaming Ozil is futile , there is nothing in the stats that say the team is performing better without Ozil ….the opposite in fact and the Ozil depressives are finding harder to accept as each week goes.by that Emery is making a complete cock up of the situation.

    Just imagine next Thursday 2nd leg v bate, no Ozil selected and we get eliminated …that will be adios amigo for Emery.

  10. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    “I like the nested formatting.”

    I don’t. I think it looks awful, not to mention it messes up the way in which discussions flow here. No way I’m using it.

  11. Nelson

    I still think that our major problem is the owner. He doesn’t care about our team. I am sure that if the owner wants to help the team, there is always ways. Imagine that if we can add a few good players to the team, Ozil will be no issue. Our fan base is too emotional and divided. The only way we could force the owner to act is to have an united fan base. I posted one time that the Pool’s fans were so united that they could force the owner to cancel the increase in ticket price. The Pool’s fan deserve all their success. It seems that Arsenal fans enjoy arguing among each other. Oh well, have fun then.

  12. TheLegendaryDB10

    Only you could come up with such ideas. Is it so that you can bring up previous comments from someone else later on?

    And for the last option who gives a fuck. Or is it your way of wanting to track everyone?

  13. Pierre

    Legeb10
    “that has not been said re Ozil. All good if we play him, let’s say for the next 5-6 games to enable him to show his worth, or select him for the easy games. But what if he then decides to sulk on the pitch to try and get rid of UE. What next?”

    Another stupid comment …Emery is digging his own grave , he doesn’t need help from anyone and Ozil is intelligent enough to know that .

  14. Marko

    Pedro see if you can do it in such a way where it might copy the posters name and time of comment that you’re replying to but still at the bottom like a normal comment. This new way has treads left right and centre

  15. Marko

    ability to click on a poster’s name and see a basic profile, e.g., country of birth, country of residence, year of birth, favorite goal, favorite player

    Fuck that

  16. TheLegendaryDB10

    Pedro

    This format is impossible on a mobile phone. One will be spending their time scrolling up and down to keep track if whst is being said.

    As Bamford said: this will lose the flow of a conversation real quick in no time.

  17. Bamford10

    Pierre

    “Emery is digging his own grave.”

    Whether Emery continues as manager will be down to what Sanllehi and Kroenke think, and what they think will be driven by where we finish in the league, where we finish in the Europa, and how we are playing at the end of the season. That a couple of supporters here or there aren’t big fans of the guy will be totally irrelevant.

  18. Graham62

    TheLegendaryDB10

    If Ozil plays next week and I genuinely hope he does, if he “decides to sulk on the pitch to try and get rid of UE” he should be crucified by the Emirates crowd.

    If he shows any negative body language, in any form, I’d take him off straight away. Christ, we were criticising Ozil years before Emery arrived and we’ll carry on criticising him as long as he continues playing for AFC.

    That’s the nature of the beast.

  19. TheLegendaryDB10

    Dissenter

    Lolz …. we do not need to that far. Have to say you made me chuckle on that one.

    Pedro

    If you want a nested format, check out how reddit does it. It’s one continuous page with sub sections where people can answer to someone’s comment.

    The one problem you will have is that comes the end of the page, one will not necessarily be wanting to go back a page to check if someone has replied to their comment.

  20. Bamford10

    DB10

    Exactly. The fact that you would have to scroll both up and down — rather than just down — to follow different discussions makes this nested reply system dumb. I am supposed to scroll back up the page to see if other people have commented on previous comments? No, that’s dumb. All subsequent comments should appear below, as they always have. That’s what makes the system here simple and genius. It’s funny, too, because I’ve often wanted to comment that one of the things that makes Le Grove so great is the simplicity of the comment system. Other sites that have gone to more complicated systems have ruined their systems; commenting in those places is not enjoyable.

  21. Charlie George

    Graham
    “”If he shows any negative body language, in any form, I’d take him off straight away. “”

    Does that apply just to Ozil or all the players?

    (The glove wearing Iwobi or the talented but slightly over histrionical Gendusi too?)

    How about the coach saying to Ozil – play further up the field- don’t worry to track back – we are playing Bate- they are garbage.
    ‘Create the goals we need ….
    Get us through to the next round.’

    How about some unseen rare positive management from Emery as opposed to his negative dogmatic , convoluted ways ?

    Just a thought.

  22. Charlie George

    Graham

    “”he should be crucified by the Emirates crowd.””

    What a vindictive and bitter comment to make.

  23. TheLegendaryDB10

    Bamford

    I’ll agree with you on that. Simplicity is man’s best friend. Start over complicating things and it will end up being messy.

  24. Graham62

    I can’t believe that some fans are siding with Ozil.

    Unsurprisingly, it seems to be those same fans that stood by cheering the lads on for all those years.

    That’s right, those that accepted steady regression( sorry CC, I mean “playing in neutral”) for nearly ten years.

    Nine months gone, only one point off 4th and they want to start a mutiny.

    All because it doesn’t look nice.

    Amazing!

  25. Champagne charlie

    Not sure why the need to include me, another that can’t do football chat without trying to stoke something on here?

    Explain how Ozil has/is any worse than what shit has been served up by Iwobi, Mkhi, Suarez etc since Christmas?

    I’ll wait for that seeing as nobody piling it on the German has come up with anything on that topic. Just a bunch of bitter guys wanting to marginalise a guy further then moan it’s his own fault. Weird bunch

  26. Marko

    Unsurprisingly, it seems to be those same fans that stood by cheering the lads on for all those years.

    Purely coincidental I’m sure

  27. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    Yea this system isn’t mobile-friendly as far as keeping abreast of comments. Too much up and down in hope than anything.

    Maybe different if the embedded convos could expand/minimise with a sort of signal that another comment has been added. But that sounds a bit bloated even saying it.

  28. MidwestGun

    Oh no… Pedro is quoting Sal, now . we are truly doomed…. It’s much worse then I thought.

    Plus you know it’s bad when Lego- hair from City is being bandied about. I suppose now its only a matter of time before the Mighty Gambon is given a guest blog appearance, again. Dark times, ahead. I want my Le-grove back, Pedro.. now your trying out this new thread thing.. Cats playing with dogs..

    End of times. I tell you.

  29. Charlie George

    The bitter vindictive ,ulcer inducing fans have their new hate figure in Ozil .
    Previously it was Wenger.

    Sad ,unintelligent people ( no names ) have to have a HATE figure in their lives.
    They crave it.
    They need it to assist in their weak arguments.

    Messrs Ozil , Wenger have more poise ,class and elegance than some people can clearly stomach.

    They are comfortable with people like Emery – because they themselves are limited too!

  30. Marko

    Again playing poorly declining stats and fakes injuries and illnesses and you want him selected. Pathetic stuff really. But but but Iwobi is shite also. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with playing Ozil

  31. TheLegendaryDB10

    CG

    Such class that they had one thing in common: being extremely greedy. Classy trait isn’t it?

    And to add one other common trait they both had: they have bith refused to move on with the times.

  32. Dissenter

    Charlie George
    It seems you’re advocating a policy of one rule for Ozil – one rule for the others
    He’s not a transcendent game winner in the form of Neymar, Ronaldo or Messi. he doesn’t get to pick what the rules are.
    Ozil needs to put on his big boy trousers and fight like everyone else.
    Emery’s history is replete with an approach of pushing players to the limit to get a reaction out of them.
    It’s not his fault that Ozil is a wuss.

  33. bennydevito

    Charlie GeorgeFebruary 16, 2019    21:04:34

    The bitter vindictive ,ulcer inducing fans have their new hate figure in Ozil .
    Previously it was Wenger.

    Sad ,unintelligent people ( no names ) have to have a HATE figure in their lives.
    They crave it.
    They need it to assist in their weak arguments.

    Messrs Ozil , Wenger have more poise ,class and elegance than some people can clearly stomach.

    They are comfortable with people like Emery – because they themselves are limited too!

    >>>>>>>>

    Charlie George,

    With your continuous unfounded hatred of Emery this has to be your most hilariously ironic comment ever!

    Don’t forget; Emery had won more as a manager than Wenger had at the start of their Arsenal careers.

    Did you call Wenger 3rd rate 7 months in back then?

    You really are comedy gold.

    “Sad ,unintelligent people ( no names ) have to have a HATE figure in their lives.
    They crave it.
    They need it to assist in their weak arguments.”

    I couldn’t think of any better sentence that describes you I really couldn’t, but thank you for doing it for me.

  34. Marko

    start complicating things and you’re another Uni Emery

    Pedro is the Sarri of Arsenal bloggers. Envious and known with little to show for it bar a fistful of butts. Been around too

  35. TheLegendaryDB10

    Pedro

    Thanks for changing it back. Nothing wrong with trying something different. But as always, when trying something new, it will be a trial and error exercise before getting it right.

  36. bennydevito

    Pedro,

    Not that my opinion matters much I’m sure, but that new reply feature is going to really break up the flow of the comments. People will be having to go back up to reply to potentially multiple conversations rather than just @ing people at the end and it following on more easily and everyone can pick it up and join it too rather than everyone going up and down essentially creating multiple threads that will be a nightmare to follow.

    I think one of the beauties of LG is the simple comment format we’re all used to and love.

    To quote a cliche “If it aint broken, don’t fix it”.

  37. Charlie George

    Bd

    As I have said before.
    I don’t hate Emery
    I just think he is totally clueless.
    Reading PedRos post – his superiors think that too.

  38. Champagne charlie

    “But but but Iwobi is shite also. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with playing Ozil“

    Iwobi playing shit has nothing to do with playing Ozil?

    You’d have a point if they weren’t both Arsenal players, but they are. Emery is leaving Ozil out the side and we’re losing and drawing games playing shit football.

    Are you really so backwards you can’t fathom what people are arguing here?

    On top form who is the best attacker out of Ozil, Ramsey, Iwobi, Mkhitaryan? Because if it’s Ozil or Ramsey then the manager is failing by giving both 1000 minutes of 2300 in the premier league alone so far this season.

    If Aubameyang wasn’t scoring anything would you at some stage replace him with a guy that maybe would? Absolutely no different here. Iwobi and Mkhi are offering zilch, Mesut could either offer the exact same, or drop some throwback sparkle.

    Where is the sense in keeping him out of a losing side?

  39. Pierre

    Charlie George
    It was predictable that the Ozil obsessives would take the place of the Wenger obsessives on Le grove .

    I made exactly that point back in August , they are so predictable.

  40. Marko

    You’d have a point if they weren’t both Arsenal players, but they are. Emery is leaving Ozil out the side and we’re losing and drawing games playing shit football.

    He has two assists in 17 games this season. We’ve been losing and drawing with him in the side

    Are you really so backwards you can’t fathom what people are arguing here?

    Are you so dense that you can’t see why a player who’s playing poorly has been declining two seasons now and who fakes injuries is being dropped? You can try and change it around to something else involving Iwobi now but the fact is that he’s declining, playing poorly and pulls sickies. For some reason you continue to ignore that and make it as black and white as playing Iwobi instead of him.

    Mesut could either offer the exact same, or drop some throwback sparkle.

    Ah yes fleeting moments of genius. Fuck the club fuck what it should stand for fuck doing the right thing instead we should play some cunt who’s playing shit and pretends to be sick when he might have to put in a shift cause he may or may not (mostly not) show some genius. Perfect Charles guy makes about 15/16 million a year and we get maybe a couple good games from him a season. Good one mate great cause you’re about these days.

  41. Marko

    Where is the sense in keeping him out of a losing side?

    It might force him into leaving in the summer. Disgusting thought isn’t it. May I ask where is the sense in playing someone who fakes illnesses? Keep in mind he’s playing poorly. I’d also argue what is the sense in YOU arguing for said player to play. Do you hate the manager that much? Or the club

  42. TheLegendaryDB10

    CC

    For me what has happened between UE and Ozil was with the Palace game. The previous game was vs Leicester where Ozil really shined. Most of us, including me, showered Ozil with praise for his stellar performance. And so did UE. UE then challenged Ozil to keep up the performance vs Palace. For what I recall, I was seriously dissapointed with Ozil’ s performance in that game. And I imagine so was UE.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. I know that we are seriously lacking creativity at the moment. The problem now is UE feels he can’t trust him anymore. And seemingly this has been transmitted to Raul who is supporting him in this matter purely on the basis that he sees this as an opportunuty at cutting down our wage bill.

    Yes the above is pure conjecture but seems plausible considering what we are witnessing at the moment.

  43. TheLegendaryDB10

    Pierre

    Ozil obsessives? You like cornering people in such a simplistic manner that it has not even occurred to you that some of us dislike Ozil as well as UE.

    Now how does this fit into your simplistic categorizing of people when you are yourself a critic of UE?

  44. Marko

    Though I would have factored in the amount of injuries and illnesses that Ozil “has” probably is a major factor in the deteriorating relationship he has with the club. Yes club

  45. bennydevito

    PierreFebruary 16, 2019    21:47:11

    Charlie George
    It was predictable that the Ozil obsessives would take the place of the Wenger obsessives on Le grove .

    I made exactly that point back in August , they are so predictable.

    >>>>>>

    Oh my god, oh my god! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Pierre, are you in competition with CG for mist ironic comment ever on LG?

    You were a Wenger obsessive and now you’re the biggest Ozil obsessive on here!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    But then to compound your irony further you have the audacity to call others on here who are rebutting your Ozil codswallop as Ozil obsessives!!

    OH THE IRONY PIERRE!!! 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣

    Absolutely priceless!

  46. Charlie George

    If Emery was a ruthless with Iwobi or xhaka as he has been with Ozil – we might have a different narrative here.
    After all.

    Ozil unlike Iwobi has put a spellbinding performance in this season v ( Leicester city)

    It really is Quite simple.
    Ozil is too big a name for Emery to handle.
    And Ramsey, too.
    (Cech ,perhaps too.)
    He is just happier to work with lesser lights (Suarez, anybody)
    Emery would happier at Watford. In his element there.

    Thats why he got rumbled at PSG- and why he is on the ropes now.

    By the sounds of it
    The powers be – now know this too.

  47. Champagne charlie

    “He has two assists in 17 games this season. We’ve been losing and drawing with him in the side“

    He’s played 1000 minutes, that’s not 17 games is it. It’s 11 games worth. You’re trying to skew it more unfavourably to bolster your POV and it doesn’t wash.

    Ozil hasn’t played well, I’m not about to say he has. But you keep dodging the most pertinent questions because I’m fairly certain you know the answer and don’t want to say it.

    Who is keeping him out the side? And on what merit? Answer it instead of continually deflecting.

    I’ve no issue with Ozil being sold, I e already said he’s not giving us value for money, but you’re speculating and calling it fact when you suggest keeping him out the team will help move him on. It could just as easy make him resent the guys doing that and have him dig his heels in. It’s not an argument you can make because you haven’t a clue.

    What isn’t in question is our form and our desperate need for someone who can muster come quality. Can Ozil? Fucking obviously, will he? Who knows, certainly won’t do worse than dropping fuck all like Iwobi and Mkhi game after game.

  48. TheLegendaryDB10

    CG

    I see it more of a case that UE has learnt his lesson with Neymar when at PSG with his way of dealing with Ozil.

    The fact is that Ozil was given a chance by UE to step up in the first 1/3rd of the season yet has failed to do so in all of his appearances bar the Leicester game.

    May I remind you that Ozil was already like this under AW. Who remembers when Ozil needed resting/ was ill and then we all saw the pictures posted on his twitter feed of him in Turkey on his yacht having a good rest.

    Ozil ever since he has been at Arsenal has just increasingly saw it fit to think he could do what he liked on and off the pitch.

    In my eyes this kind of attitude is not very professional.

  49. TheLegendaryDB10

    CC

    Who is keeping him out the side? 

    If you read my post @ 21:55:05 it looks like it may have been a decision initiated by UE and followed up by Raul.

    As I said in my post this may all be conjecture but sounds very plausible in my opinion.

  50. salparadisenyc

    Its all gone very Pete Tong Middy.
    Imagine a database of former LeGrove comments attainable by the click of a button on the users name.

    Internet police would have a field day.

  51. Charlie George

    If Emery is being told who he can or can’t play – he is being wretchedly weak and spineless.

    I ‘ll even give him- the benefit of the doubt on this one. And say he would not allow this interference from Raul.

  52. TheLegendaryDB10

    CG

    Re-read my comment. UE froze him out as he did not feel he could pick up his game. Raul is now being pragmatic in wanting to reduce the wage bill. UE did not originally freeze him out on Raul’s orders.

  53. Champagne charlie

    DB10

    Sorry mate I missed your input previously. When I ask who is keeping Ozil out the side I’m challenging Marko’s idea Ozil isn’t playing through form.

    I know there’s some noise behind the scenes that it’s a power play to force him out, but that aside (as who knows) I’m asking on what grounds Marko can say Ozil shouldn’t be playing when we’re watching rubbish football, and losing games with guys starting ahead of him.

  54. Dream10

    Charlie Nicholas: “The players the manager has brought in are average. The goalkeeper [Leno] has got a chance but plays behind a really bad defence. Torreira & Guendouzi have done ok. Lichtsteiner? Not good enough, dont need him. Sokratis? The same, not been good enough”

    Charlie Nicholas: “Three have been poor & three have been ok. That’s a reflection of where we are going. He brings in Suarez & doesn’t accommodate a defender. I can’t accept that he’s going down the right direction right now. It’s reality. We are bog standard average”

    Nicholas: “This controlled leadership, we have an owner who is interested but doesn’t want to be hands on. Gazidis turned around & said it was time for revolution, be prepared for change in everything. He leaves 4 months later. Its a mess. There is no leadership, no guidance”

  55. Marko

    Ozil hasn’t played well, I’m not about to say he has. But you keep dodging the most pertinent questions because I’m fairly certain you know the answer and don’t want to say it. Who is keeping him out the side? And on what merit? Answer it instead of continually deflecting.

    Emery is keeping him out of the side. The merit? What merit is there to play him. You do realize that he’s missed a lot of games due to “illness” and “injury”.

    What isn’t in question is our form and our desperate need for someone who can muster come quality. Can Ozil? Fucking obviously

    Is it obvious though. He’s been given opportunities this season and outside of one game he’s been poor.

    So I’ve answered your questions now I have some questions let’s see if you can answer them instead of dodging em.

    Would you agree that he’s (and his numbers) are declining these last two seasons?

    Would you agree that his form is poor this season? After all it’s not like Emery is dropping someone who’s playing well.

    And most importantly how do feel about his “injuries” and “illnesses”? Does it not bother you his lack of professionalism. I await your responses but I’ve a feeling that you’ll duck out.

  56. Marko

    He’s played 1000 minutes, that’s not 17 games is it.

    He would play more if he played well and made himself available

  57. TheLegendaryDB10

    CC

    Fair’s fair.

    To be honest I understand where you are coming from. We have been very poor in creating anything of substance. This has now become a catch 21 situation for the club and Ozil.

  58. Marko

    I’m challenging Marko’s idea Ozil isn’t playing through form.

    It’s a combination of poor form and faking injuries. He’s missed quite a number of games through being unavailable and he’s gotten taken off or been on the bench because he’s been poor this season. I would also say I think people are taken into account recent performances and their dislike for the manager when discussing Ozil. To me their completely separate. He IS playing poorly. HE is pulling sickies

  59. Charlie George

    Leg 10 DB

    “”Raul is now being pragmatic in wanting to reduce the wage bill””

    Hardly pragmatic to extend Iwobi,xhaka, lichsteiner and ELNENY And now Suarez’ contracts.

    That’s not reducing but increasing the wage bill.
    As Charlie Nich says. The whole thing is a mess.

  60. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I don’t think any player can cover themselves in glory the last two season, we finished 6th and are on course for similar. Ozil isn’t exempt from that so yea, he’s been crap.

    What it doesn’t change is the potential and ability the lad has for being a positive force in a football match, a force that is levels better than anything we’ve seen this season (or any other season) from the guys playing ahead of him. I think it’s a real simple one, we’re playing shit and nobody in the starting XI could argue if they were subbed for another.

    Your Ozil bias is clear to see with this “injuries” situation. You’re aware there’s serious talk of the club freezing him out yes? I’ll assume so. So on that basis would you not claim injury as reason for his absence to downplay it as a media story? Conversely, do you not think the club (who want him gone) would use every opportunity to smear Ozil and gat fans on their side? Ie if he’s pulling sickies as you suggest, why haven’t the club came out and fined him and pained that picture?

    I’m pretty certain there’s been games where Ozil has actually argued the opposite. He’s took to Instagram all week claiming sharpness and readiness only to be out the squad. Emery too has answered questions about his involvement and claimed “tactical reasons”. So you jumping on Ozils back about illness and injury is total bias.

    For the record I haven’t a clue what’s real and what isn’t, but I survey what we do know and that’s the team is playing wank and our most talented player is sitting at home watching it weeke after week. Never mind our new manager who said he’d get more out the squad getting the best from Ozil. It’s a farce.

  61. TheLegendaryDB10

    CG

    All players contracts you mentioned bar Suarez were renewed at the start of the season.

    The reasoning behind it was to give them some “value” once they are finally sold (except Lich who will be out of contract any way at the end of the season).

    As for Suarez, the thinking behind was to finally get a winger in our team. For now, hard to say whether he will be effective or not. The only positive is that, comes the end of the season, if he proves to be crap, we have no obligation to buy him.

  62. Charlie George

    Leg 10 db
    “”The reasoning behind it was to give them some “value” once they are finally sold (except Lich who will be out of contract any way at the end of the season).””

    So why not apply that logic to Ramsey
    Get him signed – and then sold- in 18 months …

    Who on earth is going to sign Elneny?
    Iwobi? Suarez???
    Please enlighten me.

    It’s just incompetence.
    Fans assume these administrators know what they are doing.
    We have clear evidence – they are just winging it. And have no plan, and indeed no way out of this mess…

    If we are not careful. We will go the same way as Aston Villa.

  63. Marko

    Your Ozil bias is clear to see with this “injuries” situation. You’re aware there’s serious talk of the club freezing him out yes? I’ll assume so. So on that basis would you not claim injury as reason for his absence to downplay it as a media story?
    …So you jumping on Ozils back about illness and injury is total bias.

    About as close as you’re ever going to get to criticizing him faking injuries. You are utterly and I can’t stress this enough utterly shameless and it speaks volumes of the type of person you are. Here you have a player who’s played poorly for two seasons and you respond with yeah but so has everyone. Here’s a player who has faked injuries and illnesses and you throw up a bunch of bullshit as an excuse it’s fucking horrible honestly. The injuries and illnesses aren’t anything new so the idea that it now has anything to do with the club freezing him out is ridiculous. Bias alright listen in future don’t talk to me because you clearly can’t be taken seriously you’re agenda means you cannot have a serious conversation or debate with you. I would have thought a player in poor form faking injuries in a most obvious way would have been ridiculed by a fellow fan but clearly no.

  64. MidwestGun

    “It’s all gone Pete.. tong”

    Should be the new name of the blog to be fair.. if we are changing things. Although I am glad Pete… put the thread organization upgrade in the circular file. Not gonna lie.

  65. salparadisenyc

    Question for the hard core that includes you Mudwest… i loved it when Revin Kevin called you that.

    Does Mesut out last Unai?

  66. Marko

    No way sal. How could he? 30 declining unlikely to improve or even get back to anything remotely decent and a questionable attitude and the people running the club want rid. Gone in the summer

  67. rollen

    Pedro is at the point of Wenger first 10 glorious years. Nothing wrong with blog format. Hopefully next 10 is great too. Follow Red Nose not Wenga example.

  68. TheLegendaryDB10

    CG

    I do not know if you do it on purpose to act ignorant but you are surely aware that we had a contract on Ramsey’s desk yet he refused to sign it for a good 2-3 months. It was obvious he was angling for big money like Ozil. Ramsey believed he could swindle us because he knew of the laxist culture that had gripped our club.

    We finally ended pulling out once the new management realised that if we ever agreed a contract with a pay rise similar to Ozil’s our wage bill would have been even more bloated. They opted for the option to let him go now to avoid that escalating situation.

    Where I will agree with you is that our club has been run incompetently for so long. It unfortunately starts off with having given AW to much power once Dein was pushed out.

    This was then not helped out by some Gooners who were totally blinded by the first amazing years that AW had and then allowed him (aided and abetted by Gazidis and the BoD) to lead us in this current downward spiral that you are now witnessing.

  69. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Shameless for point out the fact Mesut Ozil isn’t special in being utterly crap the past two seasons? That doesn’t absolve him, I said he was crap, I simply gave a broader picture than your ridiculous fixations allows.

    And again with the injuries/illnesses, you know for sure he’s faking them do you? You buy into it because you dislike the guy, that doesn’t make it true.

    I said I haven’t a clue if it’s true, but if it was I’m amazed a club trying to hound him out hasn’t jumped on it and used it against him right away to turn fans on him. His workplace has a literal medical team and you think he could get away with texting the gaffer that he’s got the sniffles? He’s either ill, or he’s not ill and the club are lying to save face. If you think Ozil can pull a sickie the same way you can down the Post Office then that’s absolutely hilarious how detached you are.

    You’re just a lost cause with any sort of rationality or objectivity on the matter, it’s Ozil so ‘fuck the bug-eyed wet noodle’ (one of your faves for describing him). I’ll let someone else with more patience have a go explaining to you.

  70. MidwestGun

    Does Mesut out last Unai?
    _______________

    Hmmm fair question.. Which if I was a betting man.. I’d say it’s even money..

    My gut feeling is that Ozil is off this summer to free up wages.. Ozil has some pride based on his telling the German National team to F off.. And he did not like being subbed off virtually every Real Madrid match I ever saw.. So I’d wager, his agent is weighing up options.

    However, If things go completely tits up … the rest of the season ..I would say Emery won’t last this summer either. They won’t want to waste transfer money on a completely busted flush. So I know it’s a copout to say it’s a pick’em.

    Soooooo…. I would say Emery lasts longer but it is only by a whisker on his nostril.

  71. Receding Hairline

    A serious football club who considers themselves elite being held to Ransome by Ozil in 2019 while the fans go to war for him like prime Messi.

    Even in his prime Ozil wasn’t a match winner

    By the way Overmars talking about Sanchez returning rules him out for the post of technical director. He is almost as bad as the super Jacky fans

  72. Marko

    And again with the injuries/illnesses, you know for sure he’s faking them do you? You buy into it because you dislike the guy, that doesn’t make it true.

    And you don’t buy it because you dislike the manager. Look if you can’t see the forest for the trees that’s on you but I see a guy missing a game through illness and then go to turkey with the Mrs that to me shows he’s not ill. I see a guy who gets dropped to the bench away to Bournemouth and then responds by making himself unavailable the next game against Spurs and I think it’s shameful. There’s more examples but what’s the point in mentioning them because you’ve already made up your mind and I don’t care to change it. But sure you’re looking at his situation objectively

    If you think Ozil can pull a sickie the same way you can down the Post Office then that’s absolutely hilarious how detached you are.

    Then explain them? Explain how he’s ill but goes to turkey…Ahead of the encounter, Arsene Wenger claimed Ozil was sick – although Ozil later posted an Instagram snap in Turkey.

    He was, according to Wenger, meant to be in bed suffering with illness.

  73. Valentin

    I am not sure if there was some mistake during the translation, but Marc Overmars is suggesting that Alexis Sanchez go back to Arsenal.
    If this is true and he becomes the next Director of Football, we are doomed. Alexis Sanchez is finished as a top striker in the premiership.
    His all action act does not work anymore if the rest of the team is not setup for him. Especially Compensate for him losing an inordinate amount of time the ball.

  74. MidwestGun

    Also I might add my personal opinion is Emery should be allowed to finish out his contract. We can’t be buying out managerial contracts every year and chopping and changing all the time in that regard either with the caveat we do not want to continue on the path we are currently on right now either. Which is knocked out of every competition and finishing 5th or 6th. So Emery definitely better have a Come to Jesus meeting.. if wants to save his job.

  75. Pierre

    where’s Karl Pilkington( bullshit man ) when you need him to come flying in , point the finger at Marko , shout ” bullshit” and fly out again…

  76. TheLegendaryDB10

    Sal

    Does Mesut out last Unai?

    There is a possibility that Ozil is hoping to do exactly this. His DB10 quote on twitter seems to show this.

    Hence my question to Pierre earlier. What happens if he does get played but decides to do fuck all in the hope to bring down UE? Would it be an attempt from him to outlast UE?

  77. Marko

    The funny thing is that if Aubameyang pulled the kind of things Ozil pulled Charlie would be one of the first to criticize him for it. But Ozil clearly not pulling his weight and faking injuries and he’s got the excuses lined up. Don’t know why I bother. Made all the more ridiculous he thinks he’s objective. Fucking hell

  78. bennydevito

    This summer we will be on full on banter mode with our transfers, I’m talking Silvestre, Kallstrom & Sanogo level bantz:

    We need 2 attacking wide players who can also play in the centre…

    I give you Messrs Alexi Sanchez and Juan Mata.

    You read it here first.

  79. Marko

    By the way Overmars talking about Sanchez returning rules him out for the post of technical director. He is almost as bad as the super Jacky fans

    It absolutely should. But then I see a clickbait link to De Ligt and I think maybe

  80. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I made no excuses and in fact said I’ve no idea if it’s true or not. I just question your position of “knowing” and wonder why a club keen to get rid isn’t bringing that front and centre.

    You’re a hysterical teenager when talking about Ozil, anyone can grasp that from scanning your last few comments. Meanwhile you’re trying to put words in my mouth and claim I’m defending positions I’ve never held. I’m sure one or two dimwits will nod along but the words are there for anyone to read.

    Suggest you give it up for a spell, or go back to the insults about his appearance and the like – preferably before you pull up the likes of Pedro for “personal attacks” on Emery. Always fun when you try and fit the most irony possible into a paragraph. Vintage Marko. Over to you Pierre, best of luck.

  81. bennydevito

    Lol!

    CC putting irony and Pierre in one sentence – first CG, then Pierre and now CC all playing the most ironic comment on LG game!

    🤣🤣🤣

  82. MidwestGun

    I give you Messrs Alexi Sanchez and Juan Mata.
    You read it here first.
    ___________

    If the bring back Sanchez. they might as well bring back Olly G.. and go full on banter.

    I hear Diaby is healthy and running up a hill somewhere in the South of France even as we speak.

  83. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    What are you on about? I never mentioned irony and Pierre at all, I was talking about Marko then handing any and all Ozil discussion over to Pierre..

    Bit over eager on the emojis mate, reel it in a touch

  84. bennydevito

    Emery has to play Ozil now, he has to. It’s the only way he shows the board, the fans, the pundits/press and Ozil himself that he (Emery) is right.

    Ozil is a big game bottler, can’t string 2 match winning performances together and spends more time with back ache, knee ache, fortnite ache, speedboat ache and Bergkamp ache than he does playing football matches, so if he does start more than 2 matches in a row the whole world is going to see what a shower he really is.

    If in the snowball’s chance in hell that he suddenly plays amazing then great – we will have solved our creativity problem.

    Win win.

  85. bennydevito

    “Always fun when you try and fit the most irony possible into a paragraph. Vintage Marko. Over to you Pierre, best of luck.”

    You mentioned Irony and Pierre in the above comment, that’s what I was referring to which was a reference to a previous comment of Pierre and Ozil obsessives being the epitome of irony.
    🤣
    Just 1 emoji there, hope that’s alright by you.

  86. bennydevito

    Yes it does CC, and the fact you don’t understand it is the ultimate irony because you never seem to understand Mario’s simple arguments either.

    You just don’t get it CC, never mind.

    I won’t hold it against you.

  87. TheLegendaryDB10

    I think today we’ve had the best debate about Ozil. It has literally lasted the whole day.

    The hilarious part is that we are nowhere near the end of this until either Ozil or UE (or both for that matter) are out of the club. Happy days ahead!

  88. salparadisenyc

    If Emery continues south its not beyond the pale to see him go this summer, very unlikely but…. who knows. I’m firmly in the camp that does not want to give him the money to spend on his transfer taste, nor am I into his stubborn footballing vision.

    After a decade of salivating for a new manager to land Emery who failed to live up to it as PSG seemed a very mediocre move, potentially bottling it.

    His financials are nowhere near Wenger’s managerial team, so moving him on isn’t the same consequence. Emery also has a clause in contract that sees him shit canned after two seasons without club having to pay final year if he makes it that far.

    Ozil outlasting Emery seems very possible but we need Raul to pull some Dein ruthlessness this summer and give the manager hire another whirl and match that with a new Sven. Rioch style.

    Lets just skip the Van Gaal and Mou phase and find our man, Vieira currently ticking all the boxes, he can then come in and deal with Mesut’s wage debacle.

  89. TheLegendaryDB10

    Sal

    I wouldn’t say no to PV4. At least he would unite us and we would all (I hope) be backing him.

    I feel that UE, hindsight and all, was the wrong move. He is a one trick manager. It’s his system or nothing. It works with a mid-table club but not for us. We are not there yet. So we should focus on some one who has an understanding of the PL as it is the only way to steady the ship. Having a solid defence is crucial for top 4 survival.

  90. bennydevito

    “When Mourinho hasn’t spent 3 nights out on the meth”

    Lol! Has anyone listened to the latest podcast yet?

    Great work Pedro and Dan Ahern, some really funny stuff in there too!

  91. gonsterous

    pedro

    Just want to say, why is it that in your posts, you always bring up PSG to bash UE, but never bring up his past successes in the other clubs that he’s been at ? It just stinks of a certain narrative. Just because a 35 year old past it henry can’t perform for Barcelona, does that mean he was a shit player his whole life ? No, you have to see the bigger picture, no focus on one failure.

  92. gonsterous

    pedro

    Just want to say, why is it that in your posts, you always bring up PSG to bash UE, but never bring up his past successes in the other clubs that he’s been at ? It just stinks of a certain narrative. Just because a 35 year old past it henry can’t perform for Barcelona, does that mean he was a shit player his whole life ? No, you have to see the bigger picture, not focus on one failure.

  93. bennydevito

    Pedro,

    I like your podcasts a lot. You get a much better feel for your personality than you do on here and I think a lot of your critics would think differently of you if they gave your pods a listen to.

    You’re little funny remarks are great also.

    Regarding Ozil. You’re absolutely right that it makes no sense on Raul’s part to order Emery to freeze Ozil out.

    If we’re worried about the cost of his wages then making him unsaleable by not playing him is fucking stupid, and if we’re worried about needing to get into the top 4 (to make more money) then not playing him thus strangling our creativity and subsequently our ability to win matches is equally fucking stupid.

    The only way Emery is winning this is by playing Ozil. He plays bad and Emery is justified. He plays good then hopefully we get top 4 and Emery is seen as a man who can rebuild bridges and put the needs of the team above his ego.

    As it happens I think Emery’s gone in the summer I really do. Maybe even before then if this Ozil business gets out of hand and our results plummet.

    Emery out by April and Steve Bould sails the ship into the summer sunset.

  94. bennydevito

    Champagne charlieFebruary 17, 2019    00:48:06

    Benny

    You’re right, you operate on another level entirely. Different spectrum even.. best of luck to you

    >>>>

    Amazing. Just like with Marko you attempt to finish the a point you’re losing by resorting to an attempted insult, which is yet more irony as that is what you do to Marko and accuse him of.

    Outstanding.

  95. gonsterous

    CG

    How about the coach saying to Ozil – play further up the field- don’t worry to track back – we are playing Bate- they are garbage.
    ‘Create the goals we need ….
    Get us through to the next round.’

    wow, something we finally agree on. We don’t need the same intensity against every team, big and small. The front players should press a bit or chase the opposition for about 5 yards before losing them. The tracking back isn’t necessarily needed against the weaker teams.

  96. Leedsgunner

    The Mesut debacle is like the Arshavin affair on steroids. We simply cannot continue misusing our star players like this.

    Have we learnt nothing?

    Emery is making this more about him than the club, except he doesn’t have the years of goodwill that Wenger had in the bank.

    Who is going to put the club first rather than themselves?

  97. gonsterous

    as good as mesut is on the ball, he is a pansy with it as well. A push over basically, someone comes and shoulder barges him and he’s gone off to row Z. As much as I disliked wenger, his team could keep possession of a ball, pass their way out of tricky situations.
    I’m basically torn because I want arsenal to do well but at the same time, I want to give emery time to mould his own team.
    When he goes though, I don’t see arteta the coward as the future.

  98. azed

    If Klopp or Pep were the manager, would any of you be making excuses for Ozil not pressing?

    Pep dropped Aguero for not doing enough off the ball and played Jesus and what did Aguero do, put in the efforts.

    Even Messi wasn’t exempted from pressing yet some so called ‘fans’ believe a player should be bigger than the club? Seriously?

    Ozil should work for the team and not the team working for Ozil.

  99. azed

    If Ozil is exempted from doing his share of defensive work, why should Aubameyang, Lacazette, Mhkitaryan or Ramsey do any defensive work?

  100. qna

    So MBS is going to buy United from the Glazers. That would be a disaster. If we are not already fully fledged in the Dortmund mode of buy teenagers, develop and sell them, then we need to get on board that train fast. Because even the market for teenagers will inflate ridiculously.

    Who said money would never ruin football hey? Actually, I dont think anyone said that 🙂

  101. Valentin

    ManUtd had minimum results clause in their managers’ contract. If the minima were not met, they can sack the manager for minimum cost.
    Their clause was qualify for the Champion’s league. The moment that was not achievable, Moyes was shown the door. VanGal was sacked minutes after the FA Cup final for the same reason.

    Why did Arsenal not inserted such clause for the manager and his staff?
    Arsène Wenger was on two year contract, did not qualify for the Champion’s league, got sacked and Arsenal had to pay his full second year salary., Same for his staff.
    I am willing to bet that this is the same for Emery. No minimum result clause or clause so low ‘do not get relegated’ as to be never be likely. That is another failure of Gazidis.

  102. gonsterous

    valentin

    arsenal can’t insert such a clause because they don’t give a manager a blank cheque to work the team.

  103. Thorough

    The number 1 reason I’m angry with Emery is the way he’s treated our youth players – story for another day.
    The number 2 reason is his treatment of Ozil. Ffs he should stop acting like a weakling and make his mind up already. I was 100% okay he dropped him. Then the idiat brings Ozil out of the blues once and then again to play Cardiff where he was so shite he lasted all of 45 minutes. If he’d permanently frozen him out and prolly sent him to train with the U-20s Ozil would be on his way out now. And let’s not kid ourselves Ozil is hampering the club as it stands. Not just by not contributing enough but by seating on a hefty salary. 350,000 a week is enough salary for Kai Havertz, Ismaila Sarr, Nkunkun and Ferreira if we play our hands right. Do anything within your power to make it impossible for Ozil to stay past the summer, that should be our charge to Emery.

  104. qna

    Valentin. Most of the managers we talked to weren’t interested. By the time the process was complete, it was down to Vieria and Arteta according to the Telegraph. Allegri didn’t leave Juve. Tuchel took the job at PSG. Nagelsmann turned us down. Not sure what happened with Conte and Ancelotti, but they turned us down. Towards the end of the process we added Emery to the list. When your options are limited, what you can and can’t put into a contract becomes limited.

    People are massively over-estimating the appeal of taking over from Wenger, with the squad that Wenger left us and with the available funds that were going to be invested.

  105. Confidentgoner

    I read all the comments and I think the answers lie in between.

    On Emery

    I think he still cannot organise a defense. I wonder if hiring Martin Keown to help him with defense can be of any help?

    He has failed to utilize the younger players. We have a proper defender like Mavro and he still cannot get into the team! Wtf? He is our best defensive talent by far! If in doubt watch our United game last season.

    Saka is another player that coukd have helped us on the wing, but he has been under utilized. He is faster than Iwobi, can dribbble and take on defenders. He needed to have a plan for playing these young talents to get them ready to start, but does not trust them.

    On Ozil

    Lest we forget, Emery gave all senior players enough chances from the get go and they all put up below par performances, especially Ozil. We were all calling for him to drop Ozil and excited he had the guts to sub him off early. Now with the team playing so poorly, it is time to bring him to the mix. However, we must try to move him on in the summer to free up our wage bill.

    Iwobi

    Iwobi does nit have the lungs and acceleration for wing play. He is not a winger. He is a creator, a good Ozil understudy. Play him in his proper position before assessing him.

    AMN

    Again, his best position is as a CM, nit a wing back. We have a player that can do wing back much better than him in the absence of Bellerin but he is nit trusted by Emery. I would play him as a CM and give Guendouzi time on the bench as we are overplaying him already.

    Other talents

    Chambers is doing quite well as a DM for Fulham. Worth an assessment for next season. I think Lucas tends to play further forward and does not shield our defenders enough. Poor defending is related to poor midfield as well, not just defenders.

  106. qna

    De Ligt would be a great signing. De Ligt, Holding and Mav could potentially be the foundations for us for 10 years. Sokratis and Kos supporting the transition. If we can somehow get a buyer willing to give us what we paid for Mustafi, I don’t see De Ligt as being out of the question. But its been so long I cant remember a time where so many big clubs were interested in a players signature where we have come out on top.

  107. Leedsgunner

    It’s obvious that stick approach is not working with Özil. It’s become a war of attrition now and Emery is in danger of losing the dressing room (if he’s not already done so).

    Having retired from international duty with two great strikers in front of him Lacazette Aubameyang and Özil should be killing this league. Emery is suffering from tunnel vision as much as Wenger was… and is completely wasting the club’s most valuable asset because he doesn’t want the repeat of Neymargate.

    Sad really that Emery’s incompetence is causing all of us who care about Arsenal grief.

  108. qna

    Confidentgoner, good post. I haven’t seen Chambers this season. I certainly don’t want to see him back at the club as a CB. If he can play CM and double up as a backup RB then its worth considering. Must also note that AMN and Chambers would essentially have exactly the same role in the squad.

    Personally, I dont see either AMN or Chambers ever having the required technical abilities to play CM as a first choice. However, with the PL rules, we need to find 8 HG players that can do a job if and when called upon. At the end of this season, not including very fringe kids, we have Bellerin, Holding, Iwobi and AMN. I don’t think we can afford to spend our limited funds in this area of the squad so potentially bringing back Chambers makes sense provided that he can do a job if called upon. Frankly the bar isn’t very high. Elneny is awful. Licht has had it.

    But the problem is I don’t think Iwobi, AMN or Chambers are good enough. If Arsenal does manage to strengthen the squad at some point then these three players aren’t going to be playing except for Europa and small cup ties. If they are happy to stay under these conditions then that would be great. But I suspect they will want to leave and play. So we may be better off selling them at their peak, rather than directly after only playing a handful of games in the space 12 months.

  109. Leedsgunner

    We need to start Özil to get his value up and tempt a buyer at the very least. Just burying him and pretending he doesn’t exist is silly especially when we’re lacking exactly his skill set.

    Emery overplayed the “I’ll show you who’s the boss“ trick. Having stamped his authority he needed to bring the best out of Özil rather than to try to kick him into submission.

    Özil can afford to wait (in every sense of the word) Emery can’t.

    If he misses out on UCL he’s out. If he loses in the Europa League he’s out.

    Effectively Emery has driven himself into a corner where he has alienated his best player and given him the initiative.

    If Özil suddenly decides to turn it on from now to rest of the season, Emery will extremely foolish for freezing him out and Özil can basically say one way or the other I want him out or I’m gone… he’s liked enough in the dressing room that his opinion will unsettle our best players to back him…

    Emery has handled this situation very very badly.

  110. qna

    Leeds: Sad really that Emery’s incompetence is causing all of us who care about Arsenal grief.

    It is sad, but how long have you had that grief. For me its only been the last few weeks. I have lost 90% of my confidence in Emery, but up until around the time we lost Bellerin I thought that Emery was doing about as good as anyone could possibly do with the squad he has. Not so much anymore. But since Bellerin went down we had to play Licht and that small period was a complete disaster. Sokratis has also been out. In that shocking period where we looked a rabble, in particular down that side where Licht was playing, we have not recovered.

    Emery hasn’t been able to turn things around. Seems to have run out of ideas. That is unacceptable and I think it shows enough that he is not the man to take us forward. If he qualifies us for CL, I’d still give him a final season, but if not I’d pay him out a year early.

    But you can’t throw all of the circumstances out the window. Poor squad. Lack of investment. Injuries.

    Ozil deserved to be dropped in the first place. I dont think Emery is being vindictive or proud about Ozil here. I think he thinks the only way he can get us top 4 is without Ozil. I am not saying he is right, but I think that is what he must believe. Because the alternative doesnt make sense. He could easily just play Ozil. If Ozil plays well and we get into the CL then Emery can claim to be the hero. He was the hard man with a player that nobody could doubt was coasting, lacklustre etc, and he turned around Ozil with his man management style. Likewise if Ozil fails, he can say, see I told you so, the bloke isnt very good.

    Really, what does he gain from not playing Ozil now. I dont think Emery is keeping out Ozil for any other reason that he believes it gives him the best chance of winning and making top 4. Personally, I think he is wrong and he needs Ozil now. He was right to drop Ozil, but the players that should have stepped up like Mkhi have been just as bad. There is no creativity in the final third. Let Ozil prove him right – either way.

  111. Guns of Hackney

    There is no way Ramsay is risking losing his £800m wage at Juventus for Arsenal.

    Arsenal has no choice but to part ways with Unai and start again. That’s it.

  112. qna

    GOH: There is no way Ramsay is risking losing his £800m wage at Juventus for Arsenal.

    Ramsey isnt guaranteed the contract? I thought he signed it, meaning even if he does an ACL now, he would still get his contract. Is that not right?

  113. Pierre

    Confident goner
    “Lest we forget, Emery gave all senior players enough chances from the get go and they all put up below par performances, especially Ozil”

    Lest we forget that we went 22 games unbeaten with Ozil in the side for the majority of those league games .

    It was Emery who decided to change the formation and personnel , not Ozil.

  114. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    I really don’t think the club didn’t spend in January because of concerns over Emery’s management.

    Also, I think it’s more likely that Emery will quit than get fired.

    Face it, the Arsenal job is problematic. You’re expected to finish top four with limited resources.
    I have no idea what Emery was told when he took the job but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was lied to.
    He’s probably fed up with the job already.

  115. Leedsgunner

    At least with Rioch, he left us after a season after signing Bergkamp who went onto become an Arsenal legend.

    If he misses on UCL either via the league or through winning the Europa League I’m certain he’s gone, what will Emery’s legacy will be?

  116. Receding Hairline

    Ozil joined us when no big player wanted and so we should be grateful for that, that’s the predominant view on twitter.

    Let’s just ignore the fact he demanded a champions league salary from a Europa league club while also wanting to choose the away games he turns out for and the ones to watch from the laps of Miss Turkey.