Huss, Raul and Vinai get mad + Ozil gets vindictive

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Charles Watts spent some time inspecting the faces of the Arsenal exec team. Pen and pad in his hand this is what he saw.

Fahmy shook his head over and over again, Vekatesham slumped in his chair while an ashen-faced Sanllehi soon headed for the exit. This was not the result anyone had been expecting.

The vision that has been set out from the top brass has been clear. Champions League football is a must and winning the Europa League is arguably Arsenal’s best route back into Europe’s elite competition.

I mean, they’re not exactly going to be doing cartwheels and I’m not sure how much we can read into this, but it’s mildly interesting to know that the Emery frustration goes deeper than just a few fans in the ground and on the internet. Can’t remember Ivan Gazidis giving away this much emotion in 10 years.

It’ll be very interesting to see what the club do in the summer. Emery wasn’t given any money in January, no one really knows why, but it’s clear we can’t be broke. Maybe the club wanted to see what Emery was going to do with the squad, after all, he not only promised improvements to the fans in press conferences, he had a legendary PowerPoint presentation that he’ll no doubt be held to.

I would hazard a guess, but I would imagine coaching featured quite high on the short term objectives. Remember how keen he was to invite the press to watch his sessions? The club made quite a fuss about the job title being Head Coach, not Manager.

This is why the people claiming that a lack of identity doesn’t matter don’t understand what they’re saying. If your team stands for nothing, it means there’s no belief system in place. It means the players have no north star. It means you have nothing to fall back on when things slip. It results in confusing bland football that is no doubt a bore to play. Think about it, what is Emery trying to achieve? Fluid possession-based football like City? Heavy metal? Electric counter-attacking? Or just finding Kola on the overlap?

The biggest worry I have is the fans asking for more time and money seem to forget that he moved to a club that was a title-winning operation with some of the most exquisite players in the world playing for it and he tanked the first season. He had to bring in Neymar and Mbappe whilst counting on the simultaneous destruction of Monaco in the transfer market to win the league in his second season. He tanked twice in the Champions League, he couldn’t foster a collective and then he was let go at the end of the season because the players didn’t respect him.

That brings me onto my next topic of conversation, Mesut Ozil.

Mesut Ozil making a huge power play, whipping his base into a frenzy of ‘OZIL WE LIVE 4 U, EMRY DIE’, with the above pearler.

Now, it’s clear that I’m not a huge fan of the German. It’s also clear that he doesn’t really have any love for Arsenal unless it’s the love a 22-year-old beauty queen has for her 72-year-old billionaire lover. This is straight up manipulation of the media and it’s caused a right old stink on the internet.

It was a cynical move. It is clearly designed to disrupt Emery’s season that is tanking. It is supposed to be seen by the players who are no doubt wondering why they’re being asked to struggle away without support from the start names.

I thought this comment from Sal neatly summed up the debacle.

Emery came in with a supposed dossier on each player having done the research, knowing full well his highest paid player was Mesut Ozil, his attributes, weakness’s and knowledge he’d have to utilize him in some manner.

That plan didn’t consist of freezing Ozil out of every competition hoping to shift him in the next transfer window, value having plummeted to rock bottom.

We all know Ozil’s limitations we’ve beat them dead on here since 2013, there many. But don’t tell me he would not of added something to the shit show on display in Belarus. Don’t tell me Lacazette wouldn’t of welcomed him into the side, arms open. Emery put Arsenal behind his Ozil agenda.

More bizarre with Ramsay not traveling.

Now have open ware fare on the social between Ozil’s team and Emery.
As funny as it is, thats a sad indictment of his handling of Mesut Ozil, total mismanagement.

Emery is the unpopular kid standing his ground by taking the ball home. It’s an inability to be empathetic. It’s a character flaw in the Emery machine. This piece from GFFN on Thomas Tuchel gets under the skin of the problem and spells out that what we are seeing is not a one-off, it’s part of broader pattern of damaging behaviour.

“There is no success without a real relationship with the players”. Right from the start, he has been making pain-staking efforts to create strong bonds with his players. For example, he went to meet Neymar before the Brazilian left for the World Cup. “That’s the great difference between him and Emery”, surmises Canal + pundit Eric Carrière. “The Spaniard saw players as “X”, like tools he could use to win. It is the opposite for Tuchel. For him players are human beings, with a name, a personality, a sensibility and proper characteristics”.

And to whom you must show affection through a little hug, a little text message or some extra holiday time. “His management relies on benevolence, which doesn’t exclude authority and discipline, just like Rabiot and Mbappé experienced after being late at the pre-Classique speech and therefore sent on the bench at the Vélodrome,” says Carrière. “The strength of this manager is his ability to unite. Today, if a player doesn’t feel the kindness or thinks it is fake, he won’t fight for you. And you can tell that it is not fake with Tuchel. It is way easier to win trophies with such a team… Emery was a good tactician but didn’t have this ability”.

This is football. You are only as good as the talent you have at your disposal. Currently, Arsenal is trying to chase Champions League through the Europa League back door and top 4. We are desperately struggling for creativity because our two outlets are AMN and Kola. Would any manager in the world not at least try and build bridges with one of the most sublime creative talents in the world, even if he is  lazy? Would you not try and work out a system that could protect against his weaknesses in some way? Could you not put your pride to one side to make some magic happen?

It’s even crazier that he can’t find a way to utilise Aaron Ramsey. The guy has his flaws, but effort and intensity has never been an issue. He can also score goals, run with the ball, open space and create. Yet we’re leaving him to rot on the bench? Make a mistake with one star player and I might be able to forgive, but to do it with two of them, when they’re both fit, as results and performances tank… well, it’s just negligent.

In allowing these problems to fester Emery has lost control of the media narrative. He’s allowed Mesut Ozil to play the victim with the fans, and no doubt his treatment in the face of a creative crisis will have the players asking questions. The worst part of all of this is the argument is affecting our ability to compete. We’ve struggled against Cardiff, Huddersfield and lost to BATE. We haven’t delivered a performance since Spurs in December. Things are in decline.

Emery needs a rethink. He needs to leave his ego at the Colney gates. He needs to show leadership.

See you in the comments.

357 Responses to “Huss, Raul and Vinai get mad + Ozil gets vindictive”

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  1. Nelson

    We are used to Wenger’s interviews. He is an expert in communication and treated us fans like fools. On the contrary, Emery is more a straight arrow. Sometimes, it is difficult to understand what he wants to say. That fucking board and owner aren’t saying anything. There is no communication. A lot of things we are just guesting. A lot of fans are making their own judgements.

    The owner and the board need to come out and clear up everything. I have a feeling that they are happy to see the fan base is again divided. They won’t be forced to do anything.

  2. Marko

    The power play from Ozil is no power play. The manager will outlive him and it really doesn’t matter who the manager is anyway truly because he’s declined so much and has become such a hindrance to the club that we could be managed by anyone and his time would still be up at the club. Massive wages declining stats inconsistencies in performances and calling in sick so much have taken their toll. Whether you like Emery or not Ozil is finished

  3. Marko

    I’d like to point out that back in December that argument with regards to Ozil while acknowledged was a difficult one it was still made whatever is decided with regards to him you stick with it. Don’t back down. Make it clear you’re not wanted and that’s that. As gambon said in the past stick him training with the under 15’s

  4. rollen

    Ramsey and Ozil are done as top footballers. Sure there will be flashes of brilliance or some Hollywood plays, but overall its slow game over. They will just milk it till the end.

    Arsenal in big crisis. Summer will be new beginning or the end.

  5. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    Spot on. This Ozil farce can be dressed up in whatever manner it wants to be. The club gave him a stupid contract with no clause for an “out” and now we’re unhappy he doesn’t want to leave the second we say so. It’s our famed leadership underlining their stupidity again just in case anyone had an idea they were competent

    Emery isn’t doing himself any favours at all either on the matter, he’s showing how incapable he is at “managing” personalities. Some players need a hug, a punch, their back scrubbed in the shower etc to play their best. You can watch all the tactical analysis you like but it won’t help in cultivating a bond between different human beings – precisely what a football team is comprised of.

    Ozil and Ramsey have been kicked to the curb because we have a petulant management staff running the gig and they’ve no clue how to watch Aaron walk away, and Ozil rake it in, without lashing out like it’s the early 70’s.

    I’ve read comments about taking legal action against Ozil, uhm what? The guy is frozen out the side despite training daily, you can’t take legal action against a player because they won’t bend to your will of walking away in January or the summer now you’ve decided their contract is inconvenient. Shambles of an operation.

    Ozil doesn’t justify his wage, but he’s been here 6 years and suddenly the club have had a reshuffle where he’s now being told to get out by guys with mere months under their belts? I’d be telling them to fuck off just the same.

  6. Marc

    “It is clearly designed to disrupt Emery’s season that is tanking”

    Pedro sorry but you need to keep some perspective – Arsenal are not performing as well I want and there are issues to be sorted but your constant narrative is so tied up with an anti Emery agenda you’re not seeing the wood for the trees. As a demonstration of this it is very likely that when the final whistle blows after our next league match we’ll be in 4th, clear of Utd by possibly 1 point probably 2.

    To claim a season is tanking after what will be 27 matches is crazy – what were your expectations for this season? Where did you think we’d be finishing in the PL?

  7. Marc

    Pedro

    I know you want that, just as I know that you know that I want that as well but do you not see my point?

    As it stands the match against Utd is going to have a huge bearing on where our season ends up.

  8. Words on a Blog

    Pedro, in terms of points/league position it’s a better Arsenal.

    In terms of style of play, sadly, it’s Spanish Stoke.

  9. Champagne charlie

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2019/02/16/mutiny-arsenal-stars-respond-mesut-ozils-post-axed-unai-emery-8645200/amp/

    Really doubt there’s a divide quite like is being touted, but the importance of handling high profile players in the right way can’t be understated.

    ‘Let him rot in the reserves’ and the like just don’t cut it in 2019. Suggest a few move with the times, players like Ozil have as big a following as the whole fucking club for christ sake. We could make a right pigs ear of this if not careful.

  10. Marc

    Nelson

    The mid week performance was shocking but to be honest I’m writing it off down to crap pitch we didn’t adapt / couldn’t adapt to, freezing cold and the players didn’t look like they wanted to be there.

    Now the above is piss poor reasons for a piss poor performance and should not be accepted but if we can’t pick up 6 points from our next 2 home matches we might as well pack it in now.

  11. Marko

    Emery isn’t doing himself any favours at all either on the matter, he’s showing how incapable he is at “managing” personalities.

    So what should he be doing differently with regards to Ozil. I somewhat agree with you on Ramsey even though it’s difficult to play someone who doesn’t want to stay at the club and it seems like a generic response to it even though from now on I’d play him constantly. But regards to Ozil what should he be doing differently? Honest question. Seems to me he’s doing all that he can really. For years one of the main criticisms aimed at Wenger was how he continued to pick and play individuals even when they were in poor form or contributing nothing in a match. Like he was rewarding average performances. That’s what we’re getting with Ozil and we should what continue to play him? Also another thing that people seem to be forgetting is that he didn’t play against Bate because he called in sick for the Huddersfield game. And we should then just throw him back into the team when he wants to play? Nah

  12. Marko

    We could make a right pigs ear of this if not careful.

    Which is? Worst case scenario for Arsenal football club he refuses to leave… which is what apparently he’s doing. So play him he refuses to leave or don’t play him he refuses to leave. A right pigs ear was already made when we signed him for 42 million and then gave him a new deal

    As for the mutiny stuff outside of a handful of players they can all fuck off. And nothing like a good signing to get people back on board. You think Lacazette would mourn the loss of Ozil in the summer if we got Pepe or Fekir? Yeah me neither

  13. Pedro

    Marko, as a manager, sometimes you just have to suck it up and make things work. The players are the most important asset at the club.

    Plenty of incidents over the years where managers have had to make a statement, but then forgive. Drogba when he went to the dentist in Italy, only to be caught out by Jose. Wenger has his back and forths with Thierry. Ferguson and Cantona. Even Messi and Enrique.

    Also, I’d understand ditching him if it was clear that what we were trying lent into some sort of elite vision for the future of our club. But it doesn’t. We’re ditching him for Kola and AMN creating.

  14. Dissenter

    Ramsey has one leg out the door
    Ramsey has every incentive to protect his legs, I would be doing the same if I were him’
    That much is obvious to everyone but agenda-Pedro who will whip up anything to attack Emery with..

    Why not use Ramsey more?

    lol

  15. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    We’re not winning games, not playing well, not creating chances, and you’re wondering how to change the situation of freezing Ozil out?

    It’s called management, he’s an arsenal player, Ramsey is an arsenal player, and neither is getting a kick whilst we drop games away at pubs sides registering 3 shots on target.

    I’ve no issue freezing someone out, but you can only do it and offer up obvious change and winning football which will lead to a “we don’t need him moving forward”. What we’re doing is playing shit, benchin Ozil and getting fans and pundits going “why the fuck isn’t he in this team, they need something”.

  16. Pedro

    Dissenter, he was close to signing a new deal with Arsenal and we kicked him out the door. Have you seen anything about his game that suggests he’s going to play like that?

    My guess is he wants game time so he’s match fit when moved to Juve.

  17. Dissenter

    Pedro
    You’re not even trying to put up the pretense of rational skepticism any more.
    You’re pretty much an Emery-outer at this stage.
    Emery certainly gave you ammunition on Thursday so by all means run with it.

  18. Dissenter

    Ramsey will be daft to put his career on the line with 100% effort
    Why go into 50-50 tackles?
    Why give that extra burst that could wreck your hammies?
    Why go for that dangerous block?

    The human instinct of self-preservation has kicked in and rightly so.
    It’s even unfair to be asking too much of Ramsey at this stage. This is his last hurrah and major pay day.

  19. Pedro

    Dissenter, that’s nonsense. It’s not in his interest to not play football for the next 4 months. He’s an athlete, he will want to compete.

  20. Dissenter

    Emery needs to play Ozil pronto
    Play him every game and let him prove him right or wrong. The cameras will be on him and we all know how he gets lost so easily.
    We are not better off with him offensively, not this season anyway.
    We aren’t better without him defensively
    Enough of the nonsense, play Mesut Ozil

  21. Dream10

    Let’s see how this one plays out. Not sure if he will be fit for Thursday, he’ll be in the XI.
    Emery will not play Mesut. Will be thoroughly surprised if he does. He was not happy the way Neymar pushed him around in Paris. I think he’ll risk falling out of the top 4 and losing in the Europa. Of course, he won’t say that publicly.

    We’ve got three consecutive home matches against BATE, Southampton and Bournemouth. Followed by Spurs (A), ManUtd (H) and Wolves (A).

    Six matches in a month. Our season is on the line. momentum and performances not in our favour.

  22. Dissenter

    Pedro
    What happens when he gets majorly injured or goes into another injury funk with his hammies.
    Who will compensate him?

    His deal with Juventus is done, only a failed /unpassable medical can derail it. He doesn’t have to impress anyone else.

  23. Danish Gooner

    But Ozil is acting like a prat calling in sick and being in general a nuiseance and on 350 grand a week it is preposterous and all his Love for Arsenal he can stick up his arse he wouldnt give a shit if he played for Asenal,Newport or Adolf HItler FC as long as someone gave him 350 grand a week such a fucking hipocrite.

  24. Dissenter

    Dream
    I don’t think Emery is the only higher-up who’s not impressed with Mesut.
    This is not just an Emery vs Ozil problem.
    The story about the club backing the freeing-out has legs to run.

    Pedro
    Please set your little birds in the club in motion.
    ‘That cute office assistant can keep her ears to the ground for you, c’mon 😁😁😁

  25. Danish Gooner

    Ozil bring nothing to the table and you would expect something special with a player on 350 grand,he is a huge diappointment.

  26. Marko

    Marko, as a manager, sometimes you just have to suck it up and make things work. The players are the most important asset at the club.

    Right but what if the player is playing poorly calling in sick and generally not doing enough to warrant a place in the team? I mean it’s ridiculous we can dislike the manager so much that we’re just going to forget about how bad and much of a problem Ozil has become. Those incidents with players cited have no comparison with what has become of Ozil. Averages about 4 goals a season and his assists have all but dried up and we should continue with him?

    Also, I’d understand ditching him if it was clear that what we were trying lent into some sort of elite vision for the future of our club. But it doesn’t. We’re ditching him for Kola and AMN creating.

    Oh god no we’re ditching him so that in the summer we can be able to get someone like Havertz or Pepe to replace him. I’ll agree it’s a difficult situation we find ourselves in but I can’t find much fault in what we’re doing towards Ozil. It’d be different if we completely ostracized him from the team but he’s played 17 times this season and he would have played more had he actually fought for his place rather than fake injuries and illness as a response to being dropped from the starting 11. It’d also be different if he was playing well and if he’d be a clear upgrade but he’s not.

  27. James.wood

    In all honesty Ozil just cannot compete at the highest level anymore.
    He slipped out of a faltering German national side by citing Racism.
    He now slips out of the Arsenal side by waving his Blue Badge.
    Folk on here raved about his Leicester performance ,but hey it was
    a flash in the pan performance.
    This guy will milk us till his contract ends.
    He is already a multi millionaire he will probably leave Arsenal
    and become a manager of the Turkish national team.

  28. qna

    Pedro: The biggest worry I have is the fans asking for more time and money seem to forget that he moved to a club that was a title-winning operation with some of the most exquisite players in the world playing for it and he tanked the first season.

    Nobody is forgetting that. Nobody had him top of the list. All your hundreds of paragraphs of rhetoric breaks down when you have to name the alternatives that we had.

    Allegri, Nagelsmann, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Conte were all discussed but turned us down. Some because they weren’t interested others because we weren’t prepared to invest the hundreds of millions which they demanded.

    All your arguments are well and good, but there is fairly strong agreement that the list boiled down to Arteta, Veiria and Emery. Although not mentioned, no doubt we could have convinced any British manager as well. So this really is the nuts and bolts of it. Take your pick.

    So your argument I quoted is very true. But the key point is that Emery was the only guy on the list that we were choosing from that had a record that even warranted being put in charge of a mega team like PSG. None of the others would have in a million years been given the opportunity to tank there.

    The problem with Arsenal is the quality of the squad. Fix that and then we might actually stand a chance of a better manager showing interest. I’m not actually a supporter of Emery believe it or not. But I truly believe that arguing over him at this stage is the least of our worries.

    For the record, I think we probably should sack him if he doesn’t qualify us for CL actually. If he can’t get us playing attractive and winning football in the next 3 months then it makes it harder for us to do the real task at hand and that is bring quality players through the doors.

  29. Pedro

    Dissenter, his deal with Juve is signed. They can’t unsign it.

    Marko, if Wenger can get Ozil breaking assist records, then Emery should be able to muster something more creative than binning him.

    The club signed him to that deal. He knew who he was and the issues. The creative solution can’t be to bin him.

    This wouldn’t be an issue if the manager had a solve, but he doesn’t. We are not creating anything despite having two of the most clinical strikers in the league.

    If you give up on defensive structure, you have to at least counter that with a smart attacking approach. It appears we have neither.

  30. Marko

    I’ve no issue freezing someone out, but you can only do it and offer up obvious change and winning football which will lead to a “we don’t need him moving forward”. What we’re doing is playing shit, benchin Ozil and getting fans and pundits going “why the fuck isn’t he in this team, they need something”.

    He has 2 assists on 17 appearences this season. He’s had one good game all season and much of his lack of game time this season has been down to him being “injured” or out with “illness” and you think we should be playing him? Take away the Emery stuff for a moment and just try to think objectively for a second would you continue to persist with a player who’s in obvious decline and who contributes feck all a clear problem player?

  31. Pedro

    QNA, not sure I’m following. PSG hired Thomas Tuchel who’d never won a major trophy and had fallen out with Dortmund’s players and exec hierachy.

    They hired a manager with a thrilling vision of how the game should be played, and the bought into someone who told them relationships matter after Emery tried to do things the opposite way.

    Now everyone in France is waxing lyrical over the football, the press conferences and the feeling in the club.

    People snarked at me when TT was fired, now look at him. Emery was not the best we could have done. Carlo would have been better if we wanted a transition manager, Jardim would have been better if we wanted a style and a rock solid defence, and Arteta would have been better if the fans were happy to blow this season off as a chance to do something interesting.

    That’s before you even look at Conte who apparently wanted a piece.

  32. Dissenter

    We have backed ourselves into a corner with Ozil. We lost out the day we gave him that enormous contrtaft for 4.5 season.
    If you extend Paul Getty’s famous quote about “If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem”

    Ozil is all our problems now. He’s an unmovable problem Emery is also making him a mythical legend whose reputation is growing in absentia.

    #playozil

  33. Champagne charlie

    Raul sounds more and more like a dinosaur in the modern game, little black book of contacts, elbowing others aside for power, and bully tactics to get his way.

    What can we expect from him moving forward exactly? Seems like a fat cat ready to nail down a corner office late in his career and deliver fuck all.

  34. Dissenter

    Pedro
    “Dissenter, his deal with Juve is signed. They can’t unsign it.”

    He still has to pass a medical in the summer.
    He has a pre-contract subject to a medical.
    He can’t have two ACTIVE contracts at the same time. FIFA does not allow this.

  35. Pedro

    CC, agree. He’s in this for survival by the looks of things. Seems to have very little idea of how to push the club forward. A politician who won a job off the back his previous club.

  36. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I’m always objective, it’s a big part of my job you condescending twat. What’s clear as day is we’re playing shit, needing a spark, and our two sparkliest fuckers are getting 90 minutes a month.

  37. Dissenter

    Where did this “little black book of contacts” come from?
    I ask because people like CC are running with it and using it as blow torches to smear a man he knows little about.

    What agent or technical director does not have his contact lists filled with contact information about relevant people?

  38. Wasi

    Man-management from emery is a real let-down.After neymar’s mischiefs i (we all) would have thought that emery has learned his lesson and should be a better man-manager but he isn’t.A man cannot have all the qualities.He is obsesses with football and he lives and sleeps football.He will definitely also improve the younger generation,as their egos are still very small(just look at the improvement of matty g ,alex iwobi,rob holding anf also heccy b before his injury of course).Man management is an important part of the game.Ole gunnar solksjaer turned man united’s fortunes around just by letting pogba loose and giving him the required protection.Same is the situation with ozil.Instead of creating friction with the player(as he himself describes) he should try and wrap his hand around his star player.With torreira and guendouzi we can definitely afford him the protection now something wenger couldnt do.The ozil situation will definitely be one of the key factors in deciding whether we play UCL or UEL the next season.I dont even want to get into the problems with ramsey ( Guy is a legend , club cannot afford him,emery trying to freeze him out but you put him onto the field he’ll give his 110% and even fight for the badge).We dont need to get rid of such players we need to keep them and pay them and build around them.Anyways peopl dont hype the emery out brigade man needs time and money.
    Cheers..

  39. Bamford10

    I don’t know that 2019 Ozil is all that much of a “spark”. Maybe, but probably not. Ramsey? Yes. 2019 Ozil? Meh.

  40. Dissenter

    If Raul Sanllehi was a pretty 125lb female, one might say she fu*ked her way to the job at Barca.
    His did a pudgy stumpy fellow Geta. job at Barca if there was no merit about him?

  41. Marko

    Marko, if Wenger can get Ozil breaking assist records, then Emery should be able to muster something more creative than binning him

    But he can’t clearly. The last two years his stats (I mean real meaningful stats) have been declining and this season he has two assists AND he fakes injuries/illnesses. I get that you have this ulterior motive towards the manager but forget that for a minute and think about it what would you do with regards to such a player? For years we criticized Wenger for continuing to pick players who play poorly and contribute little and now you’re asking that we do just that.

    The creative solution can’t be to bin him.

    So the solution to a poor player is to what continue to play him? How about the solution to a player who fakes injuries and illnesses is that to play him too? What kind of an example is that to set what kind of precedent. Come to Arsenal we’ll pay you well and allow you to call in sick whenever you want and oh don’t worry about putting in performances either

  42. TR7

    I am no fan of Ozil but a smart manager would have played him all the games at Emirates and kept him on the bench for tough matches away to big guys in the league. Not only would it have prevented the whole thing from becoming a soap opera but would also have ensured we optimally utilized his strengths. As things stand now, we have a player sulking which sends out bad signals to any player looking to join us and further reduces our attacking options. Poor , really poor stuff from Emery.

  43. Marko

    Seems to have very little idea of how to push the club forward

    Maybe. We’ll see what happens with the DOF hire that might confirm or make a mockery of this

  44. Dissenter

    Pedro
    Essentially you’re saying Ramsey is registered by two clubs at the moment?
    Pre-contract is different from a contract.

  45. qna

    Ozil has had 2 PL assists since signing his contract extension. 1 for Wenger and 1 for Emery.

    Ozil retired from international football and is just coasting through his last big contract. Whether it’s coming from Raul or from Emery, it’s the right thing to do. His time at Arsenal is done. He should enjoy his last couple of years back in Turkey. If he wants more money, try China. He is not a big club player anymore.

  46. Bamford10

    What a joke. How long ago was it that Mesut Ozil was breaking assist records? Was he that player last season (under Wenger)? This summer at the WC? This is just more disingenuousness from certain folks.

  47. Charlie George

    PedRo
    Illuminating post.
    Thanks.

    “”Would any manager in the world not at least try and build bridges with one of the most sublime creative talents in the world, even if he is lazy? “”

    Yes. You would have thought so…..

    Unfortunatley we have own inadequacy- Emery – as our manager

    Glad to see Darren Moore of WBA continuing his excellent work. Another good result today.

    Moore – who like OGS at Man Utd shows an internal appointment- albeit if the candidate is inexperienced at managerial level- can work wonders.

    Having the feel, empathy and instinct of a club you have played for – is so underrated by fans.

    The swell of goodwill by the fans of a former player – should never be underrated too.

    I back you 100 % Arteta should have been a better choice at Arsenal this 3rd Rater.
    Emery will get sacked. It’s a simple case of when….
    I wish the club would be pro – active and make the decision now.

  48. Dissenter

    Charlie Champagne
    “I’m always objective, it’s a big part of my job you condescending twat. ”

    The fact that you say this means that you need to get some refreshers about ethics in your profession.
    No one is ALWAYS objective.
    You may be REQUIRED to be objective to be professional effective but there are always blind spots and biases that every one struggles with.

  49. Marko

    I’m always objective, it’s a big part of my job you condescending twat.

    Very pleasant. No you’re not being objective if you’re criticizing the manager dropping and not playing a player who’s playing poorly and who fakes injuries and illnesses.

    our two sparkliest fuckers are getting 90 minutes a month.

    Again only reason Ozil missed the Bate game was because he called in sick for the previous game. Missed the Spurs game earlier in the season made himself unavailable because he was benched against Bournemouth the previous game. See a pattern here. And you think we should play him? Objective alright

  50. Marko

    TR7 because you generally seem like a reasonable poster say you’re manager would you play someone who’s clearly playing poorly contributing little and who fakes injuries whenever the going gets tough?

  51. Dissenter

    Marko
    “Again only reason Ozil missed the Bate game was because he called in sick for the previous game.

    You may want to repeat this to Pedro
    I’m sure the famous Shad Forsyth wouldn’t want the manager playing a player who’s declaring himself as unfit on a bad pitch in Minsk.
    Can you imagine the uproar if Emery played Ozil “injured” and he really got injured.
    Pedro will write a three part series about Emery’s ignorance of soft tissue injuries.

  52. Guns of SF

    Ozil sucks. But if Emery is going to need to play him, then he needs to bite the bullet in easier home games.
    I also agree Rambo needs to be played more. Again, I dont care for either player but they are experienced bodies so he should use them when he can.

    We are touching distance from 4th and Manu will slip up.
    We need to play full strength here on out…. We cannot take chances anymore.
    Go full bore to get results

  53. qna

    Pedro: QNA, not sure I’m following. PSG hired Thomas Tuchel who’d never won a major trophy and had fallen out with Dortmund’s players and exec hierachy.

    Your not following. Let me make it simple. PSG would not have hired Arteta or Veiria. To suggest that Tuchel is equivalent to those untried managers is ridiculous.

    Tuchel did well with Dortmund. We wanted Tuchel over Emery. Tuchel was a manager that paid his dues and was on the up. Pochetino could be described by your words too. But he could easily be the next manager of any of the worlds big 6 or 7 clubs.

    It’s disturbing that you think Arteta is like these up and coming managers purely because you concocted that view in your head at some point and now you want to use Emery’s failures to somehow justify your initial absurd position. News flash!! Emery failing will not now or ever equal you being right about Arteta. You will get your answer on that, only if and when he gets a top job somewhere and proves himself.

  54. Marko

    Bamford, what is disingenuous?

    I suppose this idea of Ozil being decent and contributing. Last two seasons he’s had 9 and 8 assists and has 2 this and people make it sound like it’s a given that he’d make a difference.

  55. Dissenter

    Charlie C George
    I’m pretty sure if Arteta was appointed , Pedro would be arguing that he needs time and 6-10 transfer windows to get it right.

  56. Pedro

    QNA, I’m following.

    United wouldn’t have hired Pep in 2008.

    Chelsea wouldn’t have hired Zidane.

    PV04 would have addressed the defence.

    Arteta would have implemented an electric style.

    Not sure what Thierry would have done.

    Both could have been hired because of their history with Arsenal.

  57. prvhc

    Like many have pointed out already, there’s nothing wrong with Emery’s treatment of Ozil taken in isolation.His main problem is the quality of football on the pitch.The fans wouldn’t be clamouring for Ozil if there wasn’t a glaring lack of creativity in our play.
    Ozil (or his PR team) using this latest turbulence at Arsenal to strengthen his position in the fight against Emery has made me lose a lot of respect for him.
    Anybody backing Ozil in this should re-examine their loyalty to Arsenal.

  58. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter
    Yea I don’t need a seminar in objectivity from you on my job thanks chief, there’s numerous practices in place to make sure it’s very much the case. Stick to matters in which you excel, being blog hysterics and precious observations.

    Marko
    We’re playing shit and two of our best players have played 1000 minutes of 2340 in the league alone this season. Every pundit and ex-player is commenting on how Ozil is continually being left out and you’re talking about his form?

    He’s getting a game a month and just who the fuck is lighting it up ahead of him?

  59. Charlie George

    Qna

    You do not value an internal appointment in any business organisation?

    You don’t think that it has any advantages?

    You just think external appointments( with no inside knowledge) is always best??
    How obtuse ?

    Surely, – if Arteta was manager- he would have known from day 1:

    The players ( sherkers and hard workers)
    The phsyio ‘s
    The coaches
    The young players
    The training ground
    The club’s history
    The defensive problems we have had.
    The injury problems- we have had.
    Etc etc

    Emery is learning on the job- and its costing us big time….

  60. Marko

    PV04 would have addressed the defence.

    Hindsight it seems even though at the time most if not all on here were against his hiring. Lack of experience and they thought the job at New York wasn’t an indication that he was ready.

    Arteta would have implemented an electric style.

    Not a shred of evidence to back this up and not worth talking about outside of saying it’s a ridiculous statement that’s make believe inside the heads of new AKB’s

  61. Marc

    “Arteta would have implemented an electric style.”

    No proof of that what so ever. He has zero management experience.

    I also wonder if had Arteta been appointed how tolerant Pedro would be of posters who were effectively celebrating Arsenal losing matches so he’d get the sack?

  62. Bamford10

    Pedro

    Right, except that you have no idea whether Arteta would have succeeded. That you think he would have doesn’t mean he would have. So you can’t actually compare him to those managers /success stories. You are assuming what Arteta still needs to prove.

  63. Charlie George

    Marko , old bean

    Rewind your mind back to May…
    Who were your 5 personal choices for The Arsenal Gig, please?

  64. TR7

    Marko

    Again I am no fan of Ozil , in fact I was one of the early critics of the guy here on Le Grove but let’s be honest given our attacking options right now, he walks in.to our starting 11 at least in home games. People laud Iwobi’s effort a lot but even an Ozil in poor form is better than him. He is better at possession and in setting the tempo of a game than Ramsey. Again he has bucket loads of weaknesses as well and you have pointed that out in your last post but smart management is about making the best use of resources available with you and in my view Emery is wasting away one resource and an expensive one at that. What do we really gain out of this ? Do we get more money in summer selling him if he hasn’t played for 6 months ? No, it makes it even more difficult selling him. Of course it doesn’t help the atmosphere in our dressing room. Emery can play Ozil and yet sell him in the summer, that way it suits all the parties concerned.

  65. Marko

    Every pundit and ex-player is commenting on how Ozil is continually being left out and you’re talking about his form?

    You don’t think that’s important? Pundits can say what they like that’s their job it doesn’t make them right. Again he’s declining the last two seasons he’s got 2 assists and playing poorly this season and he fakes injuries and you’re response to this obvious problem is…to continue to play him… it’s quite brilliant really. Hey Lichtsteiner is absolutely doing fuck all to help out the team and is playing poorly why not keep playing him.

  66. qna

    Pedro. Pep actually did prove himself with Barca’s B team. The support for him was overwhelming and came from within their system. They have an incredible system for players and coaches alike. It’s not at all surprising that Barca gave a chance to Pep, knowing exactly what he was going to get and that he had already managed the teams star players when they were in the B team.

    Zidane was a once in a generation player. His appointment was political and only possible because of his status.

    Arteta, Viera, Neville, Gerard, Henry are all very different cases. Not even relatable. More relatable would be in Germany when young managers like Klopp and Naglesmann were first given chances as young men. But not at big clubs. Those are the level of clubs where Arteta should start his managerial career. For his own sake. You would be doing him absolutely no favours by throwing him to the wolves with this job. Taking over from Wenger with a shockingly poor squad was always going to be the poison chalice. Lucky for Arteta’s managerial career that he didn’t get the job.

  67. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You just totally ignored the point I made following your question. If you want to debate something how about you stop being a dishonest prick whilst doing so?

    Now address what I said:

    “He’s getting a game a month and just who the fuck is lighting it up ahead of him?“

    Ozil is playing shit, but he’s getting a game a month and I’d like to know who exactly is justifying their starts ahead of Ozil and on what merit?

  68. Marko

    Emery can play Ozil and yet sell him in the summer, that way it suits all the parties concerned.

    I don’t see where your criticism lies then because he has done that. He’s played 17 times this season he probably would have played more had he played better and or not faked illness or injury. So again what is the issue with what Emery is doing? He only missed the Bate game because he called in sick (yet again) for the Huddersfield game.

  69. Marc

    Marko

    It really makes me laugh when some of what people post on here really is a load of shite.

    Gary Neville = good pundit one of the best out of the current crop.

    Thierry Henry = decent pundit could always listen to him unlike some of the fucking idiots out there.

    How did they both get on in their first attemtpts in management again?

  70. Dissenter

    So says Champagne Charlie the poster who’s boasting about being ALWAYS objective because his job depends on it.
    Part of objectivity is knowing that you have biases so you can be extra careful.
    I repeat no one is ALWAYS objective.
    Post on your refrigerator mate.

    Never say never…be careful about absolutes.
    Who’s the blog histrionic now?

  71. Marko

    You just totally ignored the point I made following your question. If you want to debate something how about you stop being a dishonest prick whilst doing so?

    How am I being dishonest we’re talking about the treatment of Ozil and what Emery could be doing differently and you’re changing the conversation. Who gives a shit that Iwobi is starting ahead of him if Ozil himself is playing poorly and contributing little all season long.

    I must say though you’re a very odd fan Charlie truly. Making a case for the manager to play a player who’s in decline playing poorly and faking injuries? Poor stuff.

    Way I see it this blog has become a place full of hypocrites truly. The amount of times over the years Wenger was criticized for continuing to play favourites even though they were playing poorly and contributing little to the club and now people want the manager to play a player who’s playing poorly and who’s contributing little. Fucking A

  72. Dissenter

    Marc
    “Sol Campbell has more management experience than Arteta should he have been given the job?”

    Sol Campbell didn’t spend two seasons breathing in the fumes from Pep’s arse.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Boasting about always being objective? I answered Marko’s claim that I wasn’t being objective. Again, I don’t need the lecture in semantics either, it’s you that’s chosen to take what’s said literal to the core.

    Seriously, follow a thread and stop the incessant whinging about me, Pierre, Mavrapanos, Lacazette etc. Switch it up a bit and talk about football with someone.

  74. Marko

    It seems this is all stemming from him not being played against Bate. Can I just remind people that he was dropped because he called in sick (yet again) for the previous game. What precedent do you set if you overlook that sort of behavior and pick a player who plays only when he wants. Can’t be trusted to perform away from home either

  75. Ishola70

    I’m not Ozil’s biggest fan but such is my dissatisfaction and outright hostility to a head coach that has been at the club for 5 minutes that I’m quite willing to use the flaky Ozil stick to beat Emery with.

    lol seen quite a few of these.

  76. Dissenter

    Charlie George
    “Emery is learning on the job- and its costing us big time….’

    ..and yet you’re throwing Arteta’s name into the mix

  77. Champagne charlie

    “Sol Campbell didn’t spend two seasons breathing in the fumes from Pep’s arse“

    This guy is giving tips on objectivity. Say no more.

  78. Dissenter

    Charlie C
    Honestly you over-reached yourself. Who talks about being always objective?
    That’s dangerous and indicative of one who does not know what he does not know.

    It was hard to just scroll past that comment because you followed it up with a swipe any Marko.

  79. Marko

    Ishola that’s it exactly. Plant their flag with Ozil for 5 mins if it means they can have a go at the manager. It doesn’t matter who the manager is they wouldn’t accept the situation that’s occurring with Ozil. There isn’t a serious manager in world football who’d continue to pick a poor performing 30 year old who calls in sick whenever he feels like it.

  80. rollen

    Arteta would implement electric football lol Pedro.

    Who will perform this electric football u speak of? xhaka ramsey mustafi MMN Iwobi? Or wc players we will buy for 50M?

  81. Marc

    CC

    Picking up Dissenter’s comment about Arteta and Pep shows just how you are lacking in objectivity.

    Outside of being assistant to Pep precisely what qualifications or credentials does Arteta have to be Arsenal manager?

  82. prvhc

    Champagne Charlie has admitted that he was wrong about Wenger being the right man for Arsenal sine 2010 in a previous thread.
    None of what he has to say about Arsenal or its Manager should be taken seriously.

  83. Ishola70

    Arsenal should be playing purring stylish football by now and be comfortably in the CL places.

    I mean Wenger gave the incoming head coach such good foundations to build on.

    And these foundations of course had at the hub our magic man Mesut Ozil pulling the strings.

  84. Dissenter

    I’m as wrong as the next person here.
    I’m not always objective.
    I have never been a professional football scout, coach or administrator.

    That’s the difference, got it.

  85. TR7

    Marko

    17 games , yes but he has barely played any football in last two months.

    ‘Way I see it this blog has become a place full of hypocrites truly. The amount of times over the years Wenger was criticized for continuing to play favourites even though they were playing poorly and contributing little to the club and now people want the manager to play a player who’s playing poorly and who’s contributing little. ‘

    Earlier we had the likes of Santi, Rosicky in our team which obviated the need to play Ozil consistently. Now we have the likes of Iwobi taking the mantle of ‘creator’ in our team, thus the calls for playing Ozil.

  86. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Always being objective isn’t related to being right. You’re picking up on semantics and doing your usual routine of micro-analysing words of a blog to produce some enlightened stance.

    I’m objective, I endeavour to be all the time, and I don’t need someone like you giving tips and tricks on the matter. Simple as that.

    Oh look, the “AKB” tagging crowd are here, it’s a party.

  87. Marko

    17 games , yes but he has barely played any football in last two months.

    True. And why is that? He’s been injured? Sick? It’s not like he’s been sitting on the bench all that time. Again poor player contributing little and calls in sick and he should be playing?

    The hypocrite comment wasn’t necessarily directed at you by the way. Though if at ever in the past number of years for example you criticized Wenger for continuing to play someone like Xhaka even though he was playing poorly then you are being a hypocrite for suggesting Emery do the same with Ozil.

  88. Stevegooner

    PedroFebruary 16, 2019    16:33:38

    Marko, as a manager, sometimes you just have to suck it up and make things work. The players are the most important asset at the club.

    Plenty of incidents over the years where managers have had to make a statement, but then forgive. Drogba when he went to the dentist in Italy, only to be caught out by Jose. Wenger has his back and forths with Thierry. Ferguson and Cantona. 

    PEDRO.
    The same Alex Ferguson that binned Beckham , Keane and Stam as soon as they fucked him about!

  89. Marc

    Anyone who repeatedly tells people how objective they are = isn’t.

    It’s like someone who has to keep telling you how much money they have – people with real money don’t need to boast about it.

  90. Ddkingz

    wow wow wow…….

    At this moment…. I dare to say @pedro, can you just give this blog to your child, no matter the age, because I believe he will deliver a more better write-up than this shit you have been serving us for some months now….

    Is Emery the first coach to have an issue with a player..??? hell no.

    even pep kept big yaya toure on the bench for months before selling him… and the almighty yaya toure will forever be a bigger club legend than ozil will ever be at any of the club he will ever play for.

    pep benched yaya toure almost all season, and finished 3rd with 78points…. did the Qatar oil money owners sack pep??? hell no
    did the fans start calling for his head 6months into his first season???no.
    all they did was give him time and resources to do his thing, and he delivered big time with 100pts and 100+goals.

    if by next season, emery doesn’t improve his teams performance (whether he spends money in the summer or not), he (emery) won’t get a contract renewal…. but for the main time, lets do better than just spewing rubbish on here…

    well, for the record, I’ve stopped reading all those garbage you’ve been writing since December… I just jump straight to the comment section…. and have some fun.

  91. Charlie George

    For those who say Ozil is past it…
    May I remind the good people out there.
    He is 3 years younger than David Silva.

    Their premier records are identical and probably favour Ozil- bearing in mind- the City player has better forwards around him, etc.

    If Arteta was in charge- I think we would have seen more Silva like performances from the similarly talented Ozil.

    Also, If Arteta was in charge – Ramsey would be rampaging forward – adding to his 60 plus Arsenal goals.

    We missed a huge opportunity with Arteta.
    (As a consequence- 2 of our better players have been ostracized by the pedantic and hubristic Emery.)
    I am glad Ozil will win his battle of wills with his appalling coach.
    We must not make the same mistake when we soon choose the next Arsenal coach.

  92. Marc

    If it weren’t for the fact that the likes of Pierre etc would find an excuse to blame everyone but the player I’d actually start Ozil in all of our remaining matches. It’d sort several issues for anyone who is more interested in what’s right for Arsenal rather than a self imposed agenda including:

    Ozil would either die from exhaustion or decide that it’s time to move on for an easier life.

    Demonstrate that he just isn’t operating at the level he should be.

    Him being in the team has not only has very little positive impact but by having to carry a lazy player it actually hurts results and has a detrimental effect on the players who have to cover for him.

  93. Marc

    CG

    I asked the following question to CC earlier and surprisingly he ignored it. Let’s see is you do the same?

    Outside of being assistant to Pep precisely what qualifications or credentials does Arteta have to be Arsenal manager?

  94. Charlie George

    Steve Gooner
    “””The same Alex Ferguson that binned Beckham , Keane and Stam as soon as they fucked him about!””:

    He sold them for 40million pounds???
    He won trophies on the back of them.

    He should sell Ozil – by all means.
    Just don’t ostracize him.

    A top manger is paid to protect the value of our Arsenal assets( Ramsey and Ozil) not give them away.

    Might as well have a Spurs fan in charge.
    (He could not do any worse.)

    Anyone who supports Emery for that alone – needs their heads examined.

  95. TR7

    ‘Though if at ever in the past number of years for example you criticized Wenger for continuing to play someone like Xhaka even though he was playing poorly then you are being a hypocrite for suggesting Emery do the same with Ozil.’

    Xhaka was absolutely hopeless under Wenger, we had players who could do better than him at DM position. Ozil the worst option among our attacking options right now ? No. Heck I don’t even like making a case for Ozil as I don’t rate him but as I said he is miles better than Iwobi who is starting every game without deserving it.

  96. Champagne charlie

    Marc

    I’m not telling people over and over mate, I responded to Marko saying I need to be objective…ONCE. Then Dissenter decided to hop aboard and give a lecture on objectivity like this was an online college course.

    Your Arteta question misses the point entirely. I’m not the one saying Arteta is this or that, that was Dissenter with his juvenile comment about breathing the fumes of Peps arse. Does that sound like objective? Or does that sound like someone being disparaging because of a POV they hold on the subject?

  97. Marko

    Wenger, we had players who could do better than him at DM position.

    Huh? Elneny? Wilshere or Coquelin? I’m not sure but there’s more examples over the years. The point remains a player who’s playing poorly and who fakes injuries gets dropped it’s understandable. I feel like the narrative is honestly being changed because he would have played against Bate if he didn’t call in sick against Huddersfield

  98. Dissenter

    I responded to Marko saying I need to be objective…ONCE. ….NOT TRUE.
    That’s not what you said.
    You stated that “I’m always objective, it’s a big part of my job you condescending twat.”
    Don’t start twisting this another way because the trail is still rather fresh.

    You have a reputation here for saying something dim and squirming away inartfully.

  99. G8

    Pedro are you claiming Emery kicked Ramsey out ?
    he publicly stated that Ramsey was fundemntal to his plan, and played him behind the striker from the start of the season..He got injured and then played him in almost every game ,either as starter or a sub.
    Ramsey had a whole year to sign the thing and he dithered and dithered trying to milk more than he deserves ..basically he held the club to ransom like the weasel did before him..
    For once the club did the right thing and told him to fuck off..
    Emery definatley made a mistake not taking him to Bate, and we lost ..but that imo was more complacency of “we got this in the bag” than freezing anyone out!

    Blaming the coach for not playing ozil and Ramsey is so untrue and unfounded in every level
    The thing is Emery can fuck off right now
    Dont think anyone would shed a tear like the AKBs did when their master left..
    It’s just about giving who ever took over a fair deal

  100. Dissenter

    Charlie George
    You will get you dream come true
    Ozil will be played henceforth and he will lead us to Europa league glory.

  101. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    I’m always objective. That’s a statement I’m not hiding from, I don’t much care how you want to literally interpret such a thing and then attempt to “teach” me on the basic principles of objectivity. For the umpteenth time, I don’t need any lessons from you on this, much less anything.

    You can shelve your “reputation” quips as you try to establish authority in a discussion. You’re a pedantic twat always in search of a high ground. Nothing more to say to you on the matter.

  102. Charlie George

    Dissenter
    I think – you should change your name/ moniker. (It’s too negative.)

    Not healthy to always look at things – in a
    ‘half empty ‘way !

    Who is your all time favourite player?
    ( or are you still waiting for one- to satisfy your exalted standards?)

  103. tee

    it’s only idiots who would support ostracising Ozil when those used in his stead are not doing any better.

    you can keep massaging your ego with repetitive comments on ozil’s weaknesses but the point knowledge able people are making is that there is no gain sidelining ozil when your team isn’t creating much attacking wise.

    I’m of the belief ozil should be shown the way out next summer even if it’s at a financial loss but he should be played since he can’t do any worse than the shits on display day in day out.

    top 4 is still achievable if Emery can regain the trust of his team and even if we fail to qualify for ucl, fans will still support Emery, if a clear course is on ground rather than the trash we are witnessing.

    it becomes disturbing when players don’t even know the formation beign played.

    No matter how astute you are as a manager, you loose everything the moment you loose your dressing room.